[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: digital room correction
Um, sorry about the lack of action at this end. So much time, so little to do... Opaqueice - if you have or can borrow some measurement equipment, PM me and I'll get you the kit to play with. -- inguz inguz's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1139 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=24519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Help...not enjoying my SB3
Thanks...I could have googled it but I appreciate the context. -- Phil Leigh Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=24613 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Help...not enjoying my SB3
Phil Leigh Wrote: > What's "fanboy-ism"? Well... it's the tendency for people who support a product to defend it vehemently against all criticisms, often irrationally or with ad hominem attacks. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fanboy It's something I've seen quite a bit of on various product-related boards. -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=24613 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: 12.28Mhz oscillator removal - which radio streams will I lose?
What is the purpose of this mod, I mean what improvements is this supposed to provide? -- nelamvr6 nelamvr6's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3113 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=25265 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Help...not enjoying my SB3
What's "fanboy-ism"? -- Phil Leigh Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=24613 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Help...not enjoying my SB3
Lyonesse Wrote: > I have listened for hours now to different configurations, with the way > my dac is designed its been easy to do side by side comparisons between > the Toslink and my VDH digital Coax by simply switching between them on > the fly. To get all potential benefits from Toslink you really must disconnect the coax cable. Otherwise it will provide a permanent path for electrical noise via the ground connector -which is exactly what the Toslink is good at avoiding! (I assume your DAC doesn't disconnect unused ground inputs. 99% don't.) In my system Toslink sounds exactly like the coax when the coax is connected. If I disconnect the coax and listen to Toslink the system now sound way better than before. The effect is subtle when A/B'ing, but very clear when listening for longer sessions. (This is despite Toslinks worse jitter performance on paper -I speculate that the Toslink jitter is more decorrelated from the audio signal.) -- P Floding P Floding's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2932 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=24613 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: digital room correction
Just a gentle bump for this thread. I see that the plugin from Inguz audio is, sadly, still not available for download. Inguz, will that happen any time soon? I'll reiterate my offer to be a beta-tester and/or guinea pig. I'm impatient to try a room correction system, and if I have to wait too much longer I may just snap and buy one of those Behringer thingies... -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=24519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Help...not enjoying my SB3
CardinalFang Wrote: > I think there is a general problem with bulletin boards in that the > majority of the message is always missing - the facial expressions, the > tone of voice and the inbuilt politeness that most people have. > You're right, and I think another aspect of it is the anonymity - people are more willing to be rude when they are unlikely to suffer any real repercussions, or even be identified. > > It would be a shame if heavy handed moderation started, I would give up > for one. The whole point of the product is community and shared vision > and part of that is debate, sometimes heated. Without that, it's just > another commercial product and therefore I personally would be much > more critical of the product's shortcomings. Without this board, I > would never have bought a SB and I would probably have also returned it > given the number of minor niggles that I suffered getting it to run > well. > This is an excellent point - now that you mention it one reason I chose to buy a SB was the active and vocal community, as well as the open source aspect. It's clear you can get lots of help here if you need it. > > The odd thing about this whole thread to me is the perceived need to > shut it down, so many people were trying to help, some went off on a > few crusades and cracked a few jokes that probably belong on the > private message system, but most wanted the poor guy to enjoy his > purchase and it was a good thread in my view. There was a bit of fanboy-ism being displayed towards the end, which is another common phenomenon on boards of this type. But all in all, despite getting a bit off-topic (mea culpa, in part) I also thought it was an interesting thread. -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=24613 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Help...not enjoying my SB3
I suspect Sean's objections were to the rather rude remarks being directed at the original poster. I did not get the impression he had a problem with the debate otherwise. Perhaps I mis-read his e-mail. On 7/6/06, Phil Leigh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: CardinalFang Wrote:> I think there is a general problem with bulletin boards in that the> majority of the message is always missing - the facial expressions, the> tone of voice and the inbuilt politeness that most people have. This one > is better than most, people do apologise if they believe they have> offended someone. I've had some disagreements where people really just> couldn't see my point, probably because I wasn't explaining it well, > but I looked forwards to the replies because it was a good "pub"> debate.>> It would be a shame if heavy handed moderation started, I would give up> for one. The whole point of the product is community and shared vision > and part of that is debate, sometimes heated. Without that, it's just> another commercial product and therefore I personally would be much> more critical of the product's shortcomings. Without this board, I > would never have bought a SB and I would probably have also returned it> given the number of minor niggles that I suffered getting it to run> well.>> The odd thing about this whole thread to me is the perceived need to > shut it down, so many people were trying to help, some went off on a> few crusades and cracked a few jokes that probably belong on the> private message system, but most wanted the poor guy to enjoy his > purchase and it was a good thread in my view.Quite - well said.I for one wasn't aware that "humour" was verboten on this forum.Clearly it is. Whoever dictated that "audiophiles" were a bunch of sad geeks that need to get a life...?I think that the majority of posters on this thread were indeed tryingto help. In fact, we were also exploring some important issues (likethe sonic impact of jitter). Of course, if SD want this to be simply an advertising hoarding that'sfine - it is their forum. I'm not going to post again if this forum isgoing to be moderated on philosophical grounds. No problem with the excising of bad language, rudeness etc. That's fine.I'll just enjoy my (superb) SB's in peace.Maybe this forum should be split into Audiophiles (engineers with nosense of humour) and Audiophiles (lovers of music and high quality sound). One can always subscribe to both...Ciao,Phil--Phil LeighPhil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=24613___ audiophiles mailing listaudiophiles@lists.slimdevices.comhttp://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Help...not enjoying my SB3
CardinalFang Wrote: > I think there is a general problem with bulletin boards in that the > majority of the message is always missing - the facial expressions, the > tone of voice and the inbuilt politeness that most people have. This one > is better than most, people do apologise if they believe they have > offended someone. I've had some disagreements where people really just > couldn't see my point, probably because I wasn't explaining it well, > but I looked forwards to the replies because it was a good "pub" > debate. > > It would be a shame if heavy handed moderation started, I would give up > for one. The whole point of the product is community and shared vision > and part of that is debate, sometimes heated. Without that, it's just > another commercial product and therefore I personally would be much > more critical of the product's shortcomings. Without this board, I > would never have bought a SB and I would probably have also returned it > given the number of minor niggles that I suffered getting it to run > well. > > The odd thing about this whole thread to me is the perceived need to > shut it down, so many people were trying to help, some went off on a > few crusades and cracked a few jokes that probably belong on the > private message system, but most wanted the poor guy to enjoy his > purchase and it was a good thread in my view. Quite - well said. I for one wasn't aware that "humour" was verboten on this forum. Clearly it is. Whoever dictated that "audiophiles" were a bunch of sad geeks that need to get a life...? I think that the majority of posters on this thread were indeed trying to help. In fact, we were also exploring some important issues (like the sonic impact of jitter). Of course, if SD want this to be simply an advertising hoarding that's fine - it is their forum. I'm not going to post again if this forum is going to be moderated on philosophical grounds. No problem with the excising of bad language, rudeness etc. That's fine. I'll just enjoy my (superb) SB's in peace. Maybe this forum should be split into Audiophiles (engineers with no sense of humour) and Audiophiles (lovers of music and high quality sound). One can always subscribe to both... Ciao, Phil -- Phil Leigh Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=24613 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Help...not enjoying my SB3
P Floding Wrote: > The main problem is that many audiophiles are NOT engineers, and surely > they must get tired of hearing how stupid they are for spending money > on this and that? > > Would it be so difficult for those technically inclined to abstain from > telling people off? It is even more embarrising when they themselves > have large knowledge gaps. This section has become a dumping ground for > slagging people off, and showing off how technically "brilliant" some > are. I think there is a general problem with bulletin boards in that the majority of the message is always missing - the facial expressions, the tone of voice and the inbuilt politeness that most people have. This one is better than most, people do apologise if they believe they have offended someone. I've had some disagreements where people really just couldn't see my point, probably because I wasn't explaining it well, but I looked forwards to the replies because it was a good "pub" debate. It would be a shame if heavy handed moderation started, I would give up for one. The whole point of the product is community and shared vision and part of that is debate, sometimes heated. Without that, it's just another commercial product and therefore I personally would be much more critical of the product's shortcomings. Without this board, I would never have bought a SB and I would probably have also returned it given the number of minor niggles that I suffered getting it to run well. The odd thing about this whole thread to me is the perceived need to shut it down, so many people were trying to help, some went off on a few crusades and cracked a few jokes that probably belong on the private message system, but most wanted the poor guy to enjoy his purchase and it was a good thread in my view. -- CardinalFang You're only young once, but you can be immature forever... CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=24613 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Help...not enjoying my SB3
The forum already is moderated. -- dwc dwc's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1892 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=24613 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Help...not enjoying my SB3
The main problem is that many audiophiles are NOT engineers, and surely they must get tired of hearing how stupid they are for spending money on this and that? Would it be so difficult for those technically inclined to abstain from telling people off? It is even more embarrising when they themselves have large knowledge gaps. This section has become a dumping ground for slagging people off, and showing off how technically "brilliant" some are. -- P Floding P Floding's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2932 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=24613 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Slim Devices NAS Device
DerekDenyer wrote: Based on 50w vs. 200w 24/7/365 at 8p per KWHr. I didn't believe this figure when I first calculated it!. The next version of the ReadyNAS firmware is in beta and being community tested. Some of the features in this update will address issues of noise and power consumption. It looks like there will be a disc spin-down feature that may get power consumption down to 35w when idle. More here: http://infrant.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4578 --rt ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Slim Devices NAS Device
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=24534 Question: What do you think about the new SD NAS device? - Awesome! Where can I get one? - Nice. I'll put that on my wish list. - Not for me, but it sure is pretty. - Lame idea. Have the SD folks lost their minds? 325xi Wrote: > Exactly. One gets what he pays for. Not always, unless you like paying for waste heat. A quick calculation shows that an Infrant NV would cost £105 per year less to run in electricty costs than an average PC based server. Based on 50w vs. 200w 24/7/365 at 8p per KWHr. I didn't believe this figure when I first calculated it!. Electricty is bound to be cheaper in the US, but it's still going to be a significant cost. Derek -- DerekDenyer DerekDenyer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3479 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=24534 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Help...not enjoying my SB3
As a regular lurker and very occasional contributor in this forum, I don't think its dead at all... I enjoy the sparring between viewpoints which can never be reconciled, and which only sometimes get out of hand. Bear in mind that the slim forums as a whole are some of the best behaved and most intelligent that I for one have come across on the internet, I'd hate to see too much sedative applied. Moderation is a tricky one, especially when deeply held views are being stated. It might seem reasonable to take the rude words and insults out, but how outrageous and "stupid" does an opinion have to be before it gets censored? And, if we're going to delete abuse, say, why only in the Audiophiles corner? Ceejay. -- ceejay ceejay's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=148 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=24613 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: 12.28Mhz oscillator removal - which radio streams will I lose?
Should be OK with alien as the mplayer config resamples it to 44.1. Also, all you need to do is lift one end, so it is can be restored if necessary.. -- Triode Triode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=25265 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: 12.28Mhz oscillator removal - which radio streams will I lose?
You might try posting this on the DIY board - there might some people over there that can answer your questions and don't hang out here. -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=25265 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: 12.28Mhz oscillator removal - which radio streams will I lose?
parrydave Wrote: > > Also, am I correct in thinking that with streams I can no longer decode > after removal of crystal, I will get white noise ouput? > You won't get noise, they'll simply not play. The buffer will fill up but then nothing will happen, as if the player is paused. -- seanadams seanadams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=25265 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Help...not enjoying my SB3
pfarrell Wrote: > I think it is time to change the Audiophiles list/forum > to be moderated. > > > > In its current form, the Audiophile forum is dead and off-putting > to new and old customers. > It's plainly not true that the forum is dead; off-putting is a matter of opinion, and frankly it's far better than most of the internet forums I've seen. However I do agree that it would benefit from some form of moderation, if that's possible, and you certainly have my vote if you're willing! -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=24613 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Help...not enjoying my SB3
Lavender Pot-pourri what a wonderful idea! ...not some cheap nasty stuff from Asda mind fresh Organic, grown in the garden and watered by pure summer showers!.ah! ;) Sean Im done here if you wanna wind it up. All Best Jack. -- Lyonesse Lyonesse's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5496 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=24613 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophiles a call for moderation
I think it is time to change the Audiophiles list/forum to be moderated. In another thread, seanadams wrote: > Normally i wouldn't care, but this thread has degenerated to the point > where it's totally off-putting to new visitors. I was just thinking we > should exhaust other possible areas of improvement before considering > potpourri placement... P Floding wrote: > I think the Audiophile section is almost dead due to > [snip] The signal to noise ratio is so low that it is rarely worth the electrons that were not harmed writing the messages. I don't know if the forum can technially be moderated, I know that lots of very good mailing lists are moderated. And I volunteer to be a moderator. In its current form, the Audiophile forum is dead and off-putting to new and old customers. -- Pat http://www.pfarrell.com/music/slimserver/slimsoftware.html ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Help...not enjoying my SB3
> I seriously doubt this brigade are even audiophiles. What does that mean? How does one determine if he or she qualifies as an "audiophile"? Do I have to use $200 power cords, freeze-dried cables and battery powered DAC's to qualify? Is blindly following baseless marketing hype required? Please, just because some of us who care very much about high quality audio haven't checked common sense at the door doesn't mean we aren't audiophiles. - Jeff -- JSonnabend JSonnabend's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=760 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=24613 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Help...not enjoying my SB3
P Floding Wrote: > Sean, > > I think the Audiophile section is almost dead due to a few contributors > attacking pretty much any question or suggestion with demands that you > prove this, and explain that. I seriously doubt this brigade are even > audiophiles. > > I don't think the tone here is at all the right one to involve a lot of > audiophiles in the discussion, with self-appointed "truth-police" > pouncing on every little detail they don't like. > > Just my .02 > > Thanks for a great product, BTW! Do you mean audiophiles don´t have to be serious and can give instructions to us lemmings to follow? Jack for example doesn´t realize till now that his soundcard does resample even when he sets everything to 44.1/16. He didn´t want to dig deeper about that. Like i already mentioned he should have used a resample plugin for foobar to avoid the soudcard resampling. I´d be very interested in the listening result. He didn´t. -- Wombat Wombat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4113 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=24613 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 12.28Mhz oscillator removal - which radio streams will I lose?
Hi all, I'm planning some mods to my new SB3 and am wondering about removing the 12.28MHz oscillator. My concern is which radio streams will I lose? >From Red Wine Audio site I know that my SB3 won't be able to able to decode any streams with 32 or 48kHz sample rates, or low bit rate streams (16k, 24k, 32k, and 48k). But I don't know how big an issue this will be. Searched forums, but still not sure. Are there any users with Bolder/RWA modded units (i.e. with oscillator removed) that could comment on which internet stations they can/can't receive? I'm primarily interested in AlienBBC, Last.FM, Live Music Archive, but would like to get a general feel for how many I will lose. Also, am I correct in thinking that with streams I can no longer decode after removal of crystal, I will get white noise ouput? Thanks Dave -- parrydave parrydave's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6079 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=25265 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
