[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: plug-and-play linear PS (part one)
jhm731;173186 Wrote: I believe you've found a cheap piece of crap that won't sound any better than the stock SMPS wall wart. I can't believe you wimps are so afraid of soldering the right size plug onto a simple two wire connection. LOL!!! Speak for someone else, young lad! We did have one or two people here who were unintrested in any solution that required soldering, since that would constitute a so-called tweak (as opposed to a manufacturer doing it and charging a couple of hundred). In some fairness to those, the power supplies found so far have often been open frame. (But perhaps not all -I haven't followed this too closely.) -- P Floding P Floding's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2932 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31971 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Suggestion: New mid-market player
Without trying to design the next generation SB4 (which I'd expect would be similar or lower in price compared to the SB3) and without actually _adding_ to the features (which is the wrong direction if you wish to lower the Transporter cost) my suggestion would be: - Transporter quality electronics and internal power supply - Single display - No knob or other buttons - (possibly) Lose the balanced outputs and perhaps some or all of the digital input connections - Simple, but nicely finished all steel case with aluminum front bezel That should easily be doable for $800 to $1000. My feeling is that the Transporter's $2000 price tag was somewhat arbitrary, although I realize that it pays for the RD and production startup costs that can be quite high for a small company. This is true of pricing on most boutique audio gear. -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31935 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: plug-and-play linear PS (part one)
jhm731;173186 Wrote: I believe you've found a cheap piece of crap that won't sound any better than the stock SMPS wall wart. You're right, actually - my $20 isn't likely to buy anything that sounds any different than the wallwart... just like your $750! -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31971 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: plug-and-play linear PS (part one)
opaqueice;173260 Wrote: You're right, actually - my $20 isn't likely to buy anything that sounds any different than the wallwart... just like your $750! I believe that is what's called a preconception. Doing a A/B (blind or not) with preconceptions would invalidate the test. And, as we all know by now, a negative A/B proves nothing. Cheers -- P Floding P Floding's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2932 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31971 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: plug-and-play linear PS (part one)
opaqueice;173261 Wrote: It's a linear - these were available a while back, and someone opened one up. It was actually rather decently put together from the photos. ok! I'd recommend snipping off the plug and soldering on a new one, rather than using an adaptor. Fewer contacts are always desirable. -- P Floding P Floding's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2932 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31971 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: plug-and-play linear PS (part one)
opaqueice;173040 Wrote: I believe I've found the fabled plug-and-play linear power supply for the SB. Thx, just ordered two. -- egd Linux and loving IT! egd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3425 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31971 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Which DAC chip is used by the Lavry DA10?
Yeah, when I was browsing there I saw quite a few posts of him. Good thing! If I'm going the dac route, the Lavry is definitely high on the list. One thing about the Benchmark I like though, is the volume knob. That would make it very easy to hook it up straight to a power amp. Other competitors would be the PS Audio Digital Link III and the Stello DA100... jan ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: plug-and-play linear PS (part one)
P Floding;173262 Wrote: I believe that is what's called a preconception. Doing a A/B (blind or not) with preconceptions would invalidate the test. And, as we all know by now, a negative A/B proves nothing. It's incorrect to think you can ever go into such a test without preconceptions - that's impossible. Even if you had no idea what you were listening to, you'd expect there was a difference - why else would someone go to the trouble of doing the test in the first place? The whole point of blind - or better double-blind - tests is that the effect of such factors is nullified as much as is possible. In any case I'm of course going to try to hear a difference; that's why I bought the supply. I'll listen to a variety of material, both through headphones and my main speakers, and I'll be sure to unplug the wallwart while using the linear. If I think I hear a difference I'll try it blind to be sure. Do you really think an extra connecter on the power supply is going to make a difference? If so, you'd better rip out all the wiring in your walls, and go all along the power lines to the closest substation, and then back from the substation along the transmission line to the power plant, and replace everything with audiophile grade materials! As for not being able to prove a negative, I'm not going to get into that argument again. Let me simply say this: You can not prove a negative is a negative statement. :-) egd Wrote: Thx, just ordered two. You're welcome. -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31971 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Which DAC chip is used by the Lavry DA10?
The Lavry DA-10 also has volume control. It has an up/down toggle switch that controls the volume over (I believe) a 60 dB range. The volume is displayed on an LED at the right of the unit. I leave mine set in the low 40's and then control the volume from there with the SB3 remote. That leaves me generally using the top one-third of the SB3 volume range which is safe no-bit-loss territory. However, I also have a DVD/CD player plugged into the optical input of the Lavry and there is more than enough volume control range on the Lavry itself as a controller for that player. That said, I'd prefer a more traditional volume knob for aesthetic reasons but the switch arrange is more than functional. -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31949 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: plug-and-play linear PS (part one)
opaqueice;173291 Wrote: It's incorrect to think you can ever go into such a test without preconceptions - that's impossible. Even if you had no idea what you were listening to, you'd expect there was a difference - why else would someone go to the trouble of doing the test in the first place? The whole point of blind - or better double-blind - tests is that the effect of such factors is nullified as much as is possible. In any case I'm of course going to try to hear a difference; that's why I bought the supply. I'll listen to a variety of material, both through headphones and my main speakers, and I'll be sure to unplug the wallwart while using the linear. If I think I hear a difference I'll try it blind to be sure. Do you really think an extra connecter on the power supply is going to make a difference? If so, you'd better rip out all the wiring in your walls, and go all along the power lines to the closest substation, and then back from the substation along the transmission line to the power plant, and replace everything with audiophile grade materials! As for not being able to prove a negative, I'm not going to get into that argument again. Let me simply say this: You can not prove a negative is a negative statement. :-) You're welcome. You are confusing negative statements with negative experimental outcomes. But perhaps it was just jokingly said.. You are right about preconceptions. But, although I phrased it poorly, I really meant that a negative result from an A/B with someone who doesn't expect to find anything is pretty much useless. If, instead, you do indeed find a difference (don't forget to REMOVE the SMPS from the outlet) under ABX then I'd say you do have a result. Regarding contacts: What goes on _before_ the power supply is one thing, and what goes on between the power supply and the SB something else entirely. -- P Floding P Floding's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2932 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31971 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: plug-and-play linear PS (part one)
P Floding;173295 Wrote: You are right about preconceptions. But, although I phrased it poorly, I really meant that a negative result from an A/B with someone who doesn't expect to find anything is pretty much useless. If, instead, you do indeed find a difference (don't forget to REMOVE the SMPS from the outlet) under ABX then I'd say you do have a result. Tails you win, heads I lose, apparently. I really don't think a little knowledge of physics and audio is going to deafen me. Regarding contacts: What goes on _before_ the power supply is one thing, and what goes on between the power supply and the SB something else entirely. Why? This is a DC power supply - the only thing an extra connecter can do is put a tiny bit of extra resistance in series with the SB, which increases the load on the PS by a very small amount. If the SB draws around 1A (the PS is rated for 2.4A), it looks to the PS like a 5 Ohm load. The connecter could increase the resistance by a small fraction of an Ohm (I'll check it when it arrives), thus incrementally increasing the load to a point still far below the capacity of the PS. Fluctuations in the current demand of the SB will be much larger than this, as will fluctuations in the output of the PS due to AC voltage variations throughout the day, or due to bad connections in your walls, etc. -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31971 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: plug-and-play linear PS (part one)
opaqueice;173301 Wrote: Tails you win, heads I lose, apparently. I really don't think a little knowledge of physics and audio is going to deafen me. Why? This is a DC power supply - the only thing an extra connecter can do is put a tiny bit of extra resistance in series with the SB, which increases the load on the PS by a very small amount. If the SB draws around 1A (the PS is rated for 2.4A), it looks to the PS like a 5 Ohm load. The connecter could increase the resistance by a small fraction of an Ohm (I'll check it when it arrives), thus incrementally increasing the load to a point still far below the capacity of the PS. Fluctuations in the current demand of the SB will be much larger than this, as will fluctuations in the output of the PS due to AC voltage variations throughout the day, or due to imperfect connections in your walls, the substation, the transmission lines, the power plant, etc. Well, whatever you like to think, please keep thinking so. -- P Floding P Floding's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2932 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31971 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: plug-and-play linear PS (part one)
Opaqueice, Rational arguments just don't seem to work with some people :-) I applaud your patience. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31971 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: plug-and-play linear PS (part one)
Adding resistance (or impedance) between the psu and the load (ie squeezebox) is bad because it means the the voltage seen by the load will vary with the current it draws creating voltage noise. (As the current draw changes, so will the voltage drop across any impedance between psu and load) If the psu was directly powering some audio circuitry, one would typically try to eliminate as much impedance as possible. However, in this case, the squeezebox has an internal psu, which imho will do a good job of removing any noise on the external power input. -- bludragon bludragon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1530 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31971 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: plug-and-play linear PS (part one)
jhm731;173186 Wrote: I believe you've found a cheap piece of crap that won't sound any better than the stock SMPS wall wart. I can't believe you wimps are so afraid of soldering the right size plug onto a simple two wire connection. LOL!!! Soldering the right size plug on a wire is actually harder than wiring up an open frame supply, as there's not much room to work between the pin and the tab. Plus the adaptor probably adds less resistance than a poorly soldered connection (guessing here). There's also a much greater chance of ruining the SB, but I'm not sure that reversing the leads will/won't harm it. I know I've read about a DAC chip being ruined that way on these boards. FWIW I've seen that PS for as much as $30 at electronics 'salvage' sites. I'd say it's a pretty good find for those dealing with SMPS interference, whether it improves audio quality or not. -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31971 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Suggestion: New mid-market player
JJZolx;173203 Wrote: Without trying to design the next generation SB4 (which I'd expect would be similar or lower in price compared to the SB3) and without actually _adding_ to the features (which is the wrong direction if you wish to lower the Transporter cost) my suggestion would be... I 100% agree JJZolx, and, except for the improved remote, that's what I was trying to suggest with my original post as well! =) -- USAudio SB3 - PS Audio Trio C-100 - Revel Concerta F12's USAudio's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8580 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31935 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter on the cover of Stereophile, Feb 2007 issue
Magazines also have to sell copies/subscriptions so they have a large reader pool that is attractive to advertisers. They do that by putting popular and/or desirable products on the cover, whether the manufacturer buys ad space or not. -- USAudio SB3 - PS Audio Trio C-100 - Revel Concerta F12's USAudio's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8580 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31860 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: plug-and-play linear PS (part one)
tomjtx;173312 Wrote: Opaqueice, Rational arguments just don't seem to work with some people :-) I applaud your patience. Only, I didn't see any rational arguments. The power supply MAINTAINS a DC level. That dosesn't mean the interface (power connector) won't see high frequency variations. -- P Floding P Floding's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2932 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31971 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: plug-and-play linear PS (part one)
I'm using a $30. linear, which I've upgraded with some parts(including the plug)left over from other projects. opaqueice;173260 Wrote: You're right, actually - my $20 isn't likely to buy anything that sounds any different than the wallwart... just like your $750! -- jhm731 jhm731's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31971 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: plug-and-play linear PS (part one)
P Floding;173381 Wrote: P.S: If anyone has the schematics for the SB's internal power supplies, I'd be very interested. All of them? The relevant ones are posted on the forums but you'll have to be a good searcher ;-) -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31971 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter on the cover of Stereophile, Feb 2007 issue
I think I just read the answer to my question. Hi Fi Choice, a UK publication, responded to a reader's question by telling him that they are looking into doing a review of the TP provided they feel that it lives up to it's audiophile claims. -- Limping_Pylon Limping_Pylon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8086 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31860 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: plug-and-play linear PS (part one)
Deaf Cat;173425 Wrote: Has anyone ever sound tested an expensive linear supply against a cheaper one, (when pluged in to a SB) ? You can't get any agreement about whether a linear or switcher makes any difference. Why would you think you could get it when comparing two linear supplies? TD -- tyler_durden tyler_durden's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2701 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31971 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter on the cover of Stereophile, Feb 2007 issue
Limping_Pylon;173500 Wrote: I think I just read the answer to my question. Hi Fi Choice, a UK publication, responded to a reader's question by telling him that they are looking into doing a review of the TP provided they feel that it lives up to it's audiophile claims. Hmm? They'll do a review provided they feel that it lives up to its audiophile claims. Isn't that what the review will establish? Thay're doing a review to see if it's worthy to do a review on...? Guess that's their way of avoiding saying anything negative. Do a pre-review and if it doesn't pass muster, don't do a formal review. -- Mark Lanctot It's like, you know, a New Age religion, but with better treble response. - Jon Heal Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31860 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Which DAC chip is used by the Lavry DA10?
Oh, thanks for that info, mlsstl! I didn't quite get how that volume adjustment was working! Good to know! One more question, what kind of interconnects do you use? For now, I'll have to go to RCA. Are these readily available? jan -- jmourik jmourik's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7123 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31949 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter on the cover of Stereophile, Feb 2007 issue
I picked up a copy of Stereophile today and this was my first opportunity to read the review. I picked up on one view of the reviewer that said something along tyhe lines of: The transporter costs $1,999 and is produced by a company from the world of computers. If it had been introduced by a producer of high end audio world you could expect to see a 3 or 4 at the beginning or an extra zero at the end I think that as that came from a HiFi magazine it makes a great point about the value of the Transporter. -- RalphO RalphO's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3619 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31860 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Which DAC chip is used by the Lavry DA10?
The Lavry DA-10 has XLR outputs but adapter cables to covert XLR to RCA are available. If you are handy with a soldering iron the DA-10 manual includes instructions on wiring the XLR--RCA cables yourself. As I type this, I am listening to a bit of Mozart (the Adiagio from Piano Concerto No, 23 in A) on my system. I hope it is not too rude to say on the Slim Devices forum after just having auditioned and returned the Transporter, but the Lavry is simply a stunning DAC. It is a close call, but after almost a week of listening, I think it actually a shade better than the Transporter. -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31949 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Which DAC chip is used by the Lavry DA10?
mlsstl wrote: The Lavry DA-10 has XLR outputs but adapter cables to covert XLR to RCA are available. If you are handy with a soldering iron the DA-10 manual includes instructions on wiring the XLR--RCA cables yourself. But that destroys the balanced cabling. There is a reason that all professional studio gear uses balanced wiring (and XLR connectors). If you are spending a grand for a DAC, be it a Lavry, Benchmark or Transporter, use the XLR. Real amps accept balanced input. Of course, using balanced input makes mega dollar interconnects irrelevant. For the price of some interconnects, you could buy any of the above wonderful DACs. For the price of _some_ interconnects, you could buy all three and some Quads or Maggies. I hope it is not too rude to say on the Slim Devices forum after just having auditioned and returned the Transporter, but the Lavry is simply a stunning DAC. It is a close call, but after almost a week of listening, I think it actually a shade better than the Transporter. It is not rude, as long as you gave it a fair comparison. Its a matter of opinion, and audiophiles tend to disagree on sonic quality. I'm not convinced that my Transporter sounds better than my Benchmark DAC-1/SqueezeBox. I'll probably not use the Benchmark, just because the Transporter is cooler looking (better WAF) and too close in sonic quality for me to be confident that I'm really hearing it. I initially bought the Benchmark for my recording studio, so it isn't like I'll put it out in the trash heap. -- Pat http://www.pfarrell.com/music/slimserver/slimsoftware.html ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Which DAC chip is used by the Lavry DA10?
Pat Farrell;173555 Wrote: mlsstl wrote:[color=blue] Real amps accept balanced input. I'll be feeding the DA10 output into my (unreal) Denon receiver, and it only accepts rca. So I'll need to convert... At some point I'll probably try running directly to the power amp (Rotel) which does accept balanced input. But for now... jan -- jmourik jmourik's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7123 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31949 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Which DAC chip is used by the Lavry DA10?
jmourik;173556 Wrote: I'll be feeding the DA10 output into my (unreal) Denon receiver I want some of whatever was in that source first kool aid! -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31949 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter on the cover of Stereophile, Feb 2007 issue
u guys live in the states right? just buy 1 and return it if u dont like it. The canadian tax agency wont refund me my tax so its no go for me =( -- Konig Konig's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8490 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31860 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
