[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Bolder Cable Elpac Mods - First Impressions
Got my Bolder Cable modded WM 220 the other day and so far I am very impressed. Found a used Elpac on Ebay for $29, had it shipped to Bolder and within 10 days had my new power supply. The improvements in my system (SB3Bel Canto DAC2ARC LS15ARV100.2Harbeth C7)were quiet noticeable - deeper bass and maybe a little tighter, quieter background, more shimmering highs, better detail retrieval. The Elpac itself is dead quiet, with no hum and little heat. This is all in comparison to the stock wallwart PS. So far, I'm very impressed, especially for the $. After the PS breaks in, I'll consider sending my SB3 to bolder for their digital mods. They seem to do quality work, and the results speak for themselves. -- Markhh2 Markhh2's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3042 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33707 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter review at Audioholics
Nostromo;188500 Wrote: I'm not sure if that's true or not. I admit, I'm somewhat sceptical. But if their claim is backed by facts, and if the blind tests were methodologically sound, then the case is closed: all CD players do sound the same. At this point, I can't help but ask myself: Does the Transporter sound really different than the Squeezebox? It would just take 1 person hearing the difference repeatedly to prove their claim wrong scientifically speaking. I think a claim like that is very ignorant but then again, I didn't read the article but if the essense was more like Most people can not hear the difference between similarily constructed CD-players, I'd be more prune to believe it. -- johann johann's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10177 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33368 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter Review in Hi-Fi News (UK)
Whether you like the Hifi News review or not is irrelevant to the point, which is, that the measured jitter figures showed a large discrepency compared to the ones measured by Stereophile. This woul obviously result in the lower audio quality picked up by the Hif News reviewer relative to other high end players. I tried to find the official jitter figures from the Transporter's datasheet, but all I could find is the following: Clock signals in Transporter are handled not as ones and zeroes, but as precision analog signals. Specialized crystal oscillators, careful clock management, and linear-regulated logic supplies ensure the lowest possible jitter throughout the system. Whether that translates to a good jitter figure or not isn't clear. Perhaps Slim Devices could tell us what the jitter figures SHOULD be, and also what the manufacturing variance on that figure should be. A 4 to 1 ratio just doesn't sound right to me. If that is the case then there are some serious issues with the jitter reuction in the Transporteer's design. So, would Slim Devices like to enlighten us please??? -- Jaco Jaco's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10726 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33276 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter review at Audioholics
I don't think you could accuse people like Peter Aczel of being ignorant. :) Check out the Audio Critic by yourself. http://theaudiocritic.com/cwo/Back_Issues/ I'm quite a newb in these matters and I'm no sound engineer, but they seem to me more knowledgable and more responsible than most audio publications out there (yes, I'm looking at you Stereophile) Sometimes, they can state their claims a little too bluntly, without proper qualifiers. But at the end, they'll save you money so that you'll be able to put it on what really matters, the speakers for example. Now, you won't find their findings about CD players in the back issues of the Audio critic. At least, I didn't find them. Maybe they're just quoting someone else's findings. I know some people conducted some double blind tests and I'm still looking for them. -- Nostromo Nostromo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6322 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33368 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter Review in Hi-Fi News (UK)
Jaco;188391 Wrote: The measured jitter results in the Stereophile test was in the region of 250psec - a third of what was measured in the UK version of the Transporter. For comparison purposes, really good DACS and CD players have jitter figures in the region of 20psec. Excellent points in this post. But on Audioasylum lately, there've been exchanges about jitter measurements in Stereophile. Using the Miller analyzer, they've never measured anything close to 20ps. There's also suggestion that the methodology may produce inexplicable measurement variations. Though the difference between the HiFi News and Stereophile measurements of the Transporter does seem larger than the variations quoted. http://db.audioasylum.com/cgi/m.mpl?forum=digitaln=127792highlight=jitter+miller+stereophiler=session= -- RuefulR RuefulR's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1672 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33276 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter review at Audioholics
I think anyone that claims all CD players sound the same disqualifies himself/herself. I know that not to be the case for a fact. That's just being contrarian for publicity's sake. It's silly. -- pablolie pablolie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3816 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33368 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter review at Audioholics
pablolie;188577 Wrote: I think anyone that claims all CD players sound the same disqualifies himself/herself. If they said all CD transports, I may pay attention to the argument. But CD players, i.e. with an integrated DA? I know that not to be the case for a fact. That's just being contrarian for publicity's sake. It's silly. At the moment, I would tend to agree with you. But I don't know if you ever tried an ABX test: they can have a sobering effect. Suppose you tried to ABX the Squeezebox and the Transporter and couldn't tell them apart? I found one test http://www.matrixhifi.com/ENG_index.htm -- Nostromo Nostromo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6322 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33368 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter review at Audioholics
Nostromo;188574 Wrote: I don't think you could accuse people like Peter Aczel of being ignorant. :) Check out the Audio Critic by yourself. http://theaudiocritic.com/cwo/Back_Issues/ I can and since he is supposed to know better, I'll change that to arrogant and stupid. That is, if he really said what you quoted above or close to that. Nostromo;188574 Wrote: I'm quite a newb in these matters and I'm no sound engineer, but they seem to me more knowledgable and more responsible than most audio publications out there (yes, I'm looking at you Stereophile) Sometimes, they can state their claims a little too bluntly, without proper qualifiers. Stating that all CD-players sound the same takes away all credibility they might have had. Nostromo;188574 Wrote: But at the end, they'll save you money so that you'll be able to put it on what really matters, the speakers for example. Garbage in, garbage out. If the soúrce and/or amp is not up to the job no speaker in the world can save that and to make it even worse good speakers will make poor sound from any component earlier in the chain painfully obvious. On the other hand it goes both ways and a poor speaker will be poor with the best amp and source too. Nostromo;188574 Wrote: Now, you won't find their findings about CD players in the back issues of the Audio critic. At least, I didn't find them. Maybe they're just quoting someone else's findings. I know some people conducted some double blind tests and I'm still looking for them. I'll have to see those tests results before I come to the conclusion that all CD players sound the same. I still believe that different DAC's sound different. So if one or a few blind tests gives a null result, you will believe that that proves there is no difference? From a scientific perspective a null result is nothing but a null result, it certainly doesn't prove that there is no difference. -- johann johann's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10177 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33368 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Bolder Cable Elpac Mods - First Impressions
Markhh2;188555 Wrote: So far, I'm very impressed, especially for the $. What if break in makes it worse? I.e. I'm not sure how such a poorly understood phenomenon could be predicted accurately. -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33707 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FLAC file size
I'm seeing 70-75% size relative to .WAV when using EAC/FLAC 1.1.4 with the following command line: -8 -V --replay-gain -T artist=%a -T title=%t -T album=%g -T date=%y -T tracknumber=%n -T genre=%m -T comment=%e -T comment=EAC/FLAC 1.1.4 -8 %s Is this expected? I was thinking it would be closer to 50-55%. -- thomsens thomsens's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1352 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33712 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FLAC, OSX and itunes
Has anyone tried the Xiph Quicktime component for playing FLAC files in OSX itunes? http://www.xiph.org/quicktime/download.html I've ripped my entire library in Apple lossless but would like to start using FLAC as it is more universally accepted. I've heard rumours that the next release of OSX (next month?) will support FLAC as well. -- mmg_fan mmg_fan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9157 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33714 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FLAC file size
It depends on the music. 50-55% is pretty rare, but possible on simple pieces. Oddly enough, the music that I find the most obvious to have artifacts with mp3 (solo piano pieces) seem to compress very well with flac. Complex pieces, where detail is less likely to be noticed don't compress as well. -- snarlydwarf snarlydwarf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1179 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33712 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter review at Audioholics
johann;188586 Wrote: Stating that all CD-players sound the same takes away all credibility they might have had. Like I said they sometimes state their claims too bluntly, without the proper qualifications. For a more qualified statement, read Basic issues in equipment reviewing and critical listening: our present stance in issue no. 16. http://theaudiocritic.com/cwo/Back_Issues/ So if one or a few blind tests gives a null result, you will believe that that proves there is no difference? From a scientific perspective a null result is nothing but a null result, it certainly doesn't prove that there is no difference. He's not denying that high-end gear measures better than cheaper gear, but that doesn't necessarily make a difference in terms of perceived sound quality. If people graced with the golden ear couldn't tell the difference between the Squeezebox and the transporter in a series of methodologically valid ABX tests, I would conclude that I couldn't tell the difference myself and, hence, wouldn't invest in a Transporter. Although I would like to ABX them myself. -- Nostromo Nostromo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6322 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33368 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Power supply (technical)
Skunk;188415 Wrote: There is a very well done wiki here on connecting to a power amp which covers any safety issues, but you'll have to search. http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.cgi?ConnectToPowerAmp -- Mark Lanctot Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33669 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter review at Audioholics
Nostromo;188600 Wrote: ... He's not denying that high-end gear measures better than cheaper gear, but that doesn't necessarily make a difference in terms of perceived sound quality. ... Measurements don't necessarily reflect sound quality. Then again, how do you measure resolution and staging, and overal musicality? How do you prove via measurements that an Ibanez guitar has a more pleasing sound than your off the rack $50 learning guitar? This is not physics class, and while many basic parameters need to measure soundly - they're basic parameters. Mind you, I have never been of the conviction that $100k separates sound much better than a well put together $8k system put together for a particular environment. I don't think one needs esoteric and hyperexpensive solutions to get near perfect sound. But I also think that those that have the passion for gear that has been put together with a dedication for superb mechanics will derive a psychoacoustic advantage from it. It's not just about the sound hitting your eardrums. -- pablolie pablolie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3816 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33368 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter review at Audioholics
Then again, how do you measure resolution and staging, and overal musicality? How do you prove via measurements that an Ibanez guitar has a more pleasing sound than your off the rack $50 learning guitar? This is not physics class, and while many basic parameters need to measure soundly - they're basic parameters. Nowhere did I say that we should only take into account objective factors, those that we can measure, and disregard the subjective factors, like musicality and having a pleasing sound. If I don't like the sound of certain speakers, sorry but I won't buy them. Its all about the music, after all. That said, high-fi gear is the brain child of engineers. Some factors, like staging, can me measured, up to a certain point. Or at least engineers can try to explain, in scientific terms, why certain speakers give us the illusion of being at a live concert, and why certain other speakers don't give us that illusion. Siegfried Linkwitz has interesting things to say about that topic and it would seem that his Orion open baffle speakers are hard to beat in terms of staging. -- Nostromo Nostromo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6322 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33368 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Bolder Cable Elpac Mods - First Impressions
Skunk;188589 Wrote: What if break in makes it worse? I.e. I'm not sure how such a poorly understood phenomenon could be predicted accurately. Hmmm...funny how break-in NEVER makes things sound worse... -- Phil Leigh Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33707 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter review at Audioholics
It's ignorant and stupid to claim there is no hearable difference because that statement is falsified by one person hearing a differene. You seem to think that its a brute fact that you can I hear the difference, even though you didn't do a blind test. Of course, denying the existence of brute facts is silly. But is it really a brute fact? The only way to make sure is to do a blind test. If you can ABX them, then there's a real difference. If you can't, then you can't. Of course, it doesn't necessarily mean that there isn't a difference. If only one person can ABX them, then you're right: there's a difference, even if 99.9% of us poor slobs can't tell them apart. And Aczel admits this much in the article I linked. -- Nostromo Nostromo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6322 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33368 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 vs PC as a source
In my office, my sound system has been a PC running iTunes and SlimServer. To get the best audio out, I have a C.E.C. DAC that connects via the USB port. The DAC feeds an AudioNote M-1 preamp, Quicksilver mini mono amps and AudioNote AN-K/SPe speakers. I have always the quality to be fine for my office and I really like the convenience of the iTunes interface. Prompted by the discussion in another thread, I replaced the direct connection to the PC with a SB3 (connected via coax to the DAC). The difference was very positive. The biggest improvement has been to the low end. With the direct PC connection, the low frequencies were much more boomy and less crisp. The SB3 path sounds cleaner and more engaging. Im still not sure what PC software was in the path, but there had to be some as you can control the volume on the digital out. I had hoped that the PC would serve as a better transport, but I guess not. Ive lost the iTunes UI, but the improvement in sound quality more than makes up for it. -- Bob Bressler Bob Audio Note CDT-Two-Audio Note DAC5 + Slim Transporter-Spectral DMC-20-Kassai amp-Audio Note AN Es Bob Bressler's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2217 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33724 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter Review in Hi-Fi News (UK)
Jaco;188562 Wrote: Perhaps Slim Devices could tell us what the jitter figures SHOULD be Sean Adams measured this and published the results on this forum. Unfortunately a search isn't turning up anything. It was fairly close to Stereophile's measurements. -- Mark Lanctot Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33276 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FLAC file size
snarlydwarf;188599 Wrote: It depends on the music. 50-55% is pretty rare, but possible on simple pieces. Oddly enough, the music that I find the most obvious to have artifacts with mp3 (solo piano pieces) seem to compress very well with flac. Complex pieces, where detail is less likely to be noticed don't compress as well. Yeah, it seems to correlate to how busy the music is. -- Mark Lanctot Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33712 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter review at Audioholics
Nostromo;188642 Wrote: You seem to think that its a brute fact that you can hear the difference, even though you didn't do a blind test. Of course, denying the existence of brute facts is silly. But is it really a brute fact? The only way to make sure is to do a blind test. After all, subjective factors can influence what you perceive or not, or what you thought you perceived or not. If you can ABX them, then there's a real difference. If you can't, then you can't. Of course, it doesn't necessarily mean that there isn't a difference, it just means you can't hear it. If only one person can ABX them, then you're right: there's a difference, even if 99.9% of us poor slobs can't tell them apart. And Aczel admits this much in the article I linked. But, of course, knowing that wouldn't do us slobs any good. ;) Can you differ between a black and a white car? -- johann johann's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10177 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33368 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter review at Audioholics
johann;188674 Wrote: Can you differ between a black and a white car? I suggest a blind test may struggle ;) Adam -- adamslim SB3 into Derek Shek d2, Shanling CDT-100, Rotel RT-990BX, Esoteric Audio Research 859, Living Voice Auditorium IIs, Nordost and Anti-cables http://www.last.fm/user/AdamSlim/ adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33368 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter review at Audioholics
johann wrote: Can you differ between a black and a white car? I can't do it any more, but in the late 60s and early 70s, I could tell motorcycle brands by ear. Hondas and Yamahas and Kawasaki and Suzukis all were clearly different sounding. I used to amaze the fans. Of course, they all sound the same to me now. -- Pat http://www.pfarrell.com/music/slimserver/slimsoftware.html ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter review at Audioholics
adamslim;188680 Wrote: I suggest a blind test may struggle ;) Adam Exactly but are you sure your brain is just not playing you and they are all pink? ;) -- johann johann's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10177 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33368 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FLAC file size
Tying FLAC's file size reduction capacity to how busy the music is is a reasonably accurate correlation. Another good example is sending a fax. If you send a plain white sheet of paper by fax, the transmission is much faster. Essentially, your machine just tells the other machine to pull a white sheet of paper through at the other end. Any writing or images on the page are sent as black dots that need to be printed. So to send one black dot via fax, imagine your machine sends the command to the other machine to print one black dot 3.1 inches from the top and 2.4 inches in from the left margin. The more black on the page of the fax, the more commands that need to be sent. (Hence, the old black fax of death if you wanted to tie someone's machine up. Not recommended since they can trace it back to you.) FLAC is similar. A WAV file needs just as much file space to record silence as it does a loud and complex piece. FLAC does this more efficiently, but there are types of music and passages in FLAC that take up almost as much file space as a WAV. Sounds like the music you're saving in FLAC format simply doesn't compress well. -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33712 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter review at Audioholics
johann;188674 Wrote: I never stated that my opinions were scientificaly backed up nor that they were valid for all other persons in the world, did I? ;) The difference was so obvious that I'm convinced, I could separate a SB in from Transporter if performed in my listening room with my amp and speakers as well as music I am familiar with. Which is the case with my the setup I have now using SB with an external DAC. This might just be my mind playing me but the difference is really huge so I doubt that. To be clear, I still believe that good quality DAC's and CD player's sound different. I believe that the Transporter sounds better than the Squeezebox. But I'm not sure. I'm just saying that the question is worth investigating. The whole hobby is a minefield, filled with charlatans, crooks, honnest but ignorant people who put forth pseudoscientific theories. You know as well as me that some people claim that their 100K$ cables sound a lot better than 60$ Radio Shack cables. Just listen and be convinced. Which is complete BS, AFAIK. But why don't you try it out for yourself, if you don't think there is a difference spend your money elsewhere. Thanks but no thanks. What I need right now is a decent amp and good speakers. Let me ask you one thing, can you differ between a black and a white car? :lol: funny guy. I wish that perception was always that simple. Don't understimate how much our expectations and our preconceptions can influence what we perceive or not, or what we think we perceived or not. -- Nostromo Nostromo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6322 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33368 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FLAC file size
I use the default compression level of -5 and regularly see 45 to 55% on much of the jazz in my collection. I just took a look at a few random files and even found one at 32% - solo piano with vocals. -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33712 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter review at Audioholics
Nostromo;188689 Wrote: To be clear, I still believe that good quality DAC's and CD player's sound different. I believe that the Transporter sounds better than the Squeezebox. But I'm not sure. I'm just saying that the question is worth investigating. I think it may be setup dependent, and on top of that a matter of personal preference. For one, I can hear a clear difference between the build in SB3 DA stage and the external one I use - and that is after extensive testing with an upgraded power supply and excellent cardas cables from the SB3 to my amp. The external DA performs better to my ears. Whether it is more *accurate* and would perform better in measurements is another question. With that said, and given the fact the Transporter has a much enhanced DA stage, I am sure the sound out of the box if I connected the Transporter dirfectly as a source to my amp, compared to a SB3 connected direcly... well, it'd be very disappointing if the Transporter wouldn't prove the superior source. Whether it'd make for the superior source against the SB3 with an external DA... that's where, measurements aside, personal listening preference may make all the difference. I haven't heard a Transporter yet, though, but I'd be very interested. Nostromo;188689 Wrote: The whole hobby is a minefield, filled with charlatans, crooks, honnest but ignorant people who put forth pseudoscientific theories. You know as well as me that some people claim that their 100K$ cables sound a lot better than 60$ Radio Shack cables. Just listen and be convinced. Which is complete BS, AFAIK. I agree with the first part, there are alot of charlatans out there. But that is not an audiophile specific phenomenon - every technology industry has that, where people in search of a niche or differentiation will go over the top. Then again, if they find a ready market, more power to them for good marketing. I do disagree with the second part, though. For those who hear a difference, be it fact or psychology, it doesn't matter. If it makes someone's listening experience more pleasurable, it's all the justification it needs. It *is* an emotional hobby, and it makes little sense to reduce it to measurements. Some people are more scpetical, and thus will not be receptive to any of the more esoteric stuff. Good for them. But then again these are the same people that probably get told they're crazy by some friends if he told them how much he's spend on those scientifically sound audio components, so it's all relative... :-) Nostromo;188689 Wrote: :lol: funny guy. I wish that perception was always that simple. Don't understimate how much our expectations and our preconceptions can influence what we perceive or not, or what we think we perceived or not. You stand above perception every time? I doubt it... This will always be about diminshing returns, dramatically so, from a certain point on. And these days that point starts pretty early, one can get awesome sound for less $ than ever. People get pished beyond that for many reasons... and most are emotional. A purely rational cost-benefit analysis doesn't justify most of our gear, I think. -- pablolie pablolie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3816 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33368 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter review at Audioholics
Pat Farrell;188685 Wrote: johann wrote:[color=blue] I can't do it any more, but in the late 60s and early 70s, I could tell motorcycle brands by ear. Hondas and Yamahas and Kawasaki and Suzukis all were clearly different sounding. I used to amaze the fans. Of course, they all sound the same to me now. Except the Harley's- I'll never figure out why anyone would pay good money to ride around on something that sounds like a wet fart... TD -- tyler_durden tyler_durden's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2701 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33368 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter review at Audioholics
I do disagree with the second part, though. For those who hear a difference, be it fact or psychology, it doesn't matter. If it makes someone's listening experience more pleasurable, it's all the justification it needs. It *is* an emotional hobby, and it makes little sense to reduce it to measurements. Some people are more scpetical, and thus will not be receptive to any of the more esoteric stuff. Good for them. But then again these are the same people that probably get told they're crazy by some friends if he told them how much he's spend on those scientifically sound audio components, so it's all relative... :-) I don't know, I prefer investing in something that makes a real difference, like the speakers. If I want to buy to buy ecstasy, I don't want pills made with flour. I want the real stuff :) -- Nostromo Nostromo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6322 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33368 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter review at Audioholics
Nostromo;188695 Wrote: I don't know, I prefer investing in something that makes a real difference, like the speakers. If I want to buy to buy ecstasy, I don't want pills made with flour. I want the real stuff :) So do 100k speaker really sound better than well chosen $4k ones? And once you have the right speakers, where do you invest in, to make additional small differences? I will agree it is silly to overinvest when real weak links exist in a chain, but once the bottlenecks are eliminated... why should optimization end? Where's the fun in that? I hadn't touched anything in my system in years - until I got the SB3 and experimented some around it. -- pablolie pablolie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3816 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33368 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter review at Audioholics
So do 100k speaker really sound better than well chosen $4k ones? My guess is that it depends mainly on the room you put it in and on the amp. As for $100k speakers, ask the happy few who can afford them ;) But I would assume that for traditionnal speakers (monkey coffins), the law of diminishing returns jumps in at about $4K or $5K. -- Nostromo Nostromo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6322 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33368 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FLAC file size
The sample CD I chose was Santana's Shaman. So I guess this fits in the busy category. For reference, the CD took up 519Mb for FLAC and it was only 138Mb for extreme MP3 VBR. That's a 3.75 x the disk space, which is amazing since the MP3 sounds great at that quality level. -- thomsens thomsens's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1352 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33712 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
