Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What mods on SB3 REALLY make a difference in reducing jitter?
The Stereovox cable is the other way around. It is terminated with true 75 ohm BNC connectors with optional lock-in RCA adapters. It was designed by the same engineer that devised the famed Illuminati D60 cable. -- crooner Customized dual chassis Super Squeezebox EAD DSP-7000 MKIII DAC with HDCD VPI Scout with Benz Micro Glider M2 Audio Research PH3, SP16L and VS110 Vandersteen 2Ce signatures, 2W subwoofer. crooner's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3379 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34749 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Active Speakers
Robin Bowes;197751 Wrote: Keith wrote: I've been using a pair of Fostex PM04's in the kitchen for a year and they work fine. Each unit is bi-amped. I originally had a pair of JBL Control 1's with a Quad 306 (oh and an attenuator due to the sensitivity of the other half to loud music! - even 1 on the SB2 was too loud) but wanted to get rid of the amp as I had another use for it. I needed something small enough not to swallow up too much of the worktop but still sound OK in their own right. These met the bill being (approx) 180mm deep (The units are 170mm deep but there is a heat-sink on the back), 145mm wide and 220mm high (that's 7 x 5.75 x 8.75). They cost about £100. (The light coloured plinth at the bottom is just there in case something gets spilt on the worktop) Do you really have them that close together??? You're not too bothered about soundstage in the kitchen then? :) R. Yep that close, anyway would you really want to listen to music in detail with all those hard surfaces? The kitchen is a good size so and the unit is only to provide background music/radio. The main listening room and study have a better setups. On the other hand I can always kneel in front of the speakers and place my chin on the worktop... :o) -- Keith Keith's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=460 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=23115 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
Everyone is saying DRM is dead for music, and EMI is in crisis, and in panic has decided maybe they are right and is now tyring to see if they can sell some digital music after the failure of iTunes DRM. But at the same time the industry knows it needs copy protection on DVDs and consumers are happily buying HDCP TVs and every manufacturer is selling them. Why music one thing and films another... that makes no sense... The herd thinking is often wrong... * Suppose you created a format which was 24bit recordings so it is better than cd quality.. * And suppose you embedded lots of text and images in the files so you can see words and pics and documents and stories in a whole new experience that goes far beyond todays mp3 files * And suppose the files are playable on a variety of devices like portable ipods and hi quality boxes like the transporter Now suddenly you have something that consumers really want and there are no files like it in the world and ripping Cd's can not compare All of a sudden people will buy that. It's not like crappy iTunes DRM that gives you worse quality that you can get from ripping a CD but with restrictions... OK DRM is not perfect and can be broken but that can be made hard and dangerously illegal. A new high quality format creates a lot of digital files which only exist in DRM standard and anyone who has them is breaking the law... unlike CDs which can be legally scanned... you could never have a file sharing web site with these files unprotected... -- willyhoops willyhoops's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34928 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
willyhoops;199037 Wrote: But at the same time the industry knows it needs copy protection on DVDs and consumers are happily buying HDCP TVs and every manufacturer is selling them. Why music one thing and films another... that makes no sense... I'd guess part of the DVD issue has been that until recently downloading 4-9GB has been pretty much unfeasible for the majority and dual-layer DVD+/-R prices are only now starting to drop to reasonable prices, leaving the best option to-date being a re-compressed movie with most features stripped to squeeze onto a 4GB disk. -- Rangdo GRONDA GRONDA SB 2 [Stereovox XV2] Benchmark DAC1 [NVA Soundpipe] Cyrus Pre Xvs [NVA Soundpipe] Cyrus X-Power [Chord Rumour 4] MA GR20 Rangdo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5238 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34928 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
I think the HDDVD encryption point just goes to prove what has already been said throughout this thread. Sections of the HDCD encryption have already been broken before the product is hardly out of the box. Both Blu-ray and HDDVD have been successfully copied which just goes to prove that any form for copyright protection can be beaten if there is enough demand. CD sales are down for a couple of reasons. 1. We have now replaced most of the old Vinyl that we wished to replace so we are not buying replacements. 2. The retail outlets have stopped selling anything that doesn't sell instantly on mass so we are unable to go into a shop and browse-buy anymore unless you live in a major city. 3. The larger recording companies are not willing to risk new material and keep releasing old material at a premium price. That seems to be the case with the classical genre and those smaller companies that do take a risk seem to be surviving even when charging at a premium price. Supply me with downloadable material in a lossless format and I will buy as I suspect would many others. The market out is there, some recording companies have discovered it without DRM but unfortunately the haven't understood the lossless bit yet. -- MrStan MrStan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1771 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34928 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
24 bit, art graphics included, DRM and wide compatibility with equipment... you've just described DVD-Audio, which failed. Nobody bought it. In any case, the market for such a format would be limited to those people: - who actually care about the higher resolution, which is a tiny number of audiophiles, AND - who don't care about the fact that it's encrypted, which I strongly suspect rules out most of those. Commercial suicide, in other words. Have any figures ever been released, which show a sudden and permanent drop in DVD sales following the release of DeCSS? It's an interesting controlled experiment; DVDs went from being difficult or impossible to copy, to being trivial to copy, almost overnight. Did the movie industry ever actually back up their whining about it with any actual figures? Has it, perhaps, occurred to you that all the formats which are commercially successful are also easy to copy - while SACD and DVD-Audio (which are not easy to copy) are the ones which have been failures? Don't get me wrong - I'd [ay good money for 24-bit, audiophile quality recordings - but only as long as they're of music that I'd have actually bought anyway, and provided they're in an open, non-proprietary, unencrypted format. -- AndyC_772 AndyC_772's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10472 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34928 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
http://music.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,,2068617,00.html -- Patrick Dixon www.at-tunes.co.uk Patrick Dixon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=90 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34928 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
Patrick Dixon;199052 Wrote: http://music.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,,2068617,00.html And, despite what the article says, the album is already available for download at http://www.thecrimea.net/download/tabid/62/Default.aspx Kim -- krochat -- SB3 (+linear) - Big Ben - TacT RCS 2.2X - 2xS2150 - Vandersteen 3a Signature + TacT W210 krochat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6579 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34928 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
and from that article (which i had alreay seen being a drm debate fan and a prop trader concerned with share prices and trends): -- Despite selling a respectable 35,000 copies of their debut album, Tragedy Rocks, and making the top 40 with the single Lottery Winners On Acid, the band were last year dropped by their record label, Warner Music. Like its major-label rivals, it [Warner] is struggling with the structural changes to the record industry and, say critics, is increasingly unable to invest in long-term artist development. The experiment is being watched closely by the industry and other artists struggling with the conundrum of how to make money at a time when CD sales are collapsing and margins are decreasing... so it's like Sun's Open Office. if you can't sell, you may as well give it away for free adn hope it works out well somehow in the future... -- that's hardly an argument for why drm is bad -- willyhoops willyhoops's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34928 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
well patrick, can i narrow this down... suppose for the purposes of argument it did work... then don't you agree the world would be a better place given the many points i have made? -- willyhoops willyhoops's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34928 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
willyhoops;199070 Wrote: that's hardly an argument for why drm is badThe argument against DRM is very simple - it doesn't work! Which is why the music industry needs to re-invert itself with a new business model. -- Patrick Dixon www.at-tunes.co.uk Patrick Dixon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=90 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34928 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
willyhoops;199072 Wrote: well patrick, can i narrow this down... suppose for the purposes of argument it did work... then don't you agree the world would be a better place given the many points i have made? Well, I'm not Patrick, but basically what you said was: suppose we take everything about recorded music and make it better - higher resolution, nice tags, etc. - and at the same time we take the DRM we have now and make it much easier to use and less annoying. Would that be better than what we have now? Obviously, yeah - but it's a total fantasy and not very interesting. And it might not be better than eliminating DRM entirely. That's what you should compare this to - not our current system, which everyone agrees is broken. -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34928 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Flac or Apple Lossless?
Hello, first post so be gentle. I am giving serious thought to buying a Transporter (this will be my first Slim Devices purchase - jumping in at the deep end). Partnering equipment will be Jeff Rowland Concentra II amp, Focal Lab 1027be speakers. My (soon to be redundant?) CDP is a Marantz SA11-S1 and I also have a much loved Linn LP12 TT. My PC is on it's last legs and I may buy a IMac to replace it. My question is this: Is there a considerable difference in sound quality between FLAC and Apple Lossless? I downloaded EAC / FLAC / Mediamonkey during the weekend and experimented ripping and tagging files. Not difficult to do, but ITunes seems so much easier, but is it at the expense of quality? Nice forum by the way. I'm heartened and encouraged to see fellow audiophiles using a Transporter! -- Ray70 Ray70's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11408 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34953 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
the point is that without drm (basically where we are now becuase itunes drm is dead) music sales collapse, artists stop making music unless its mega bucks pop t-shirt sales stuff, our economy shrinks a bit, and the record companies won't release fancy new formats as digital files we can copy to our devices. so life would clearly be better if drm was possible... and once you start thinking that way you realise how well maybe with a bit of lateral thinking and tough anti piracy legislation... -- willyhoops willyhoops's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34928 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
willyhoops;199078 Wrote: so life would clearly be better if drm was possible... You are a media industry stooge and I claim my prize. -- cliveb Performers - dozens of mixers and effects - clipped/hypercompressed mastering - you think a few extra ps of jitter matters? cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34928 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
Lol :) I was thinking much the same. Thing is, though, if a technology were created that allowed me to use digital information, freely, with any device I choose, with no restrictions on how or where I use it, yet which also somehow prevented other people from doing the same, I still wouldn't want it applied to my music. I'd want it applied to my credit card information. -- AndyC_772 AndyC_772's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10472 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34928 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Flac or Apple Lossless?
Ray70;199074 Wrote: Hello, first post so be gentle. I am giving serious thought to buying a Transporter (this will be my first Slim Devices purchase - jumping in at the deep end). Partnering equipment will be Jeff Rowland Concentra II amp, Focal Lab 1027be speakers. My (soon to be redundant?) CDP is a Marantz SA11-S1 and I also have a much loved Linn LP12 TT. My PC is on it's last legs and I may buy a IMac to replace it. My question is this: Is there a considerable difference in sound quality between FLAC and Apple Lossless? I downloaded EAC / FLAC / Mediamonkey during the weekend and experimented ripping and tagging files. Not difficult to do, but ITunes seems so much easier, but is it at the expense of quality? Nice forum by the way. I'm heartened and encouraged to see fellow audiophiles using a Transporter! I run my TP through a J Rowlad amp as well. Make sure you use XLR out from TP as it sounds much better than RCA IMO, YMMV :-) Alac sounds great . No difference at all from flac. But do go into server settings in the slim software and uncheck the box that allows slim to convert alac to mp3. That might degrade the SQ. I allow slim to convert alac to either flac or wav before it sends to TP. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34953 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
willyhoops;199078 Wrote: the point is that without drm (basically where we are now becuase itunes drm is dead) music sales collapse, artists stop making music unless its mega bucks pop t-shirt sales stuff, our economy shrinks a bit, and the record companies won't release fancy new formats as digital files we can copy to our devices. so life would clearly be better if drm was possible... and once you start thinking that way you realise how well maybe with a bit of lateral thinking and tough anti piracy legislation... Geezz... I never thought that people could be influenced this much by the propaganda of the RIAA... Roughly seen, I bought about 350 titles when my age was between 20 and 30 (not much compared to a lot of other people but here in the Netherlands we used to pay a lot more than in the USA). These days I hardly buy a CD, in the last 5 years it's probably some 20 to 30 CD's... Why? It has nothing to do with piracy, all the music I play with my squeezebox, I have bought! First, it's because I've bought quite a lot of DVD's. (that's money I can't spend on CD's). Second, I've spend a lot of money on photographic hardware (that's money I can't spend on CD's). Third, I redecorated my house partially. (that's money I can't spend on CD's). And last but not least: the music the big companies invest in is mostly utter crap (IMO), 99.% of it should never have been released. And DRM handicapped crap I will NEVER buy... I will decide how and where I will play my music, that's not something the music companies need to decide for me... -- servies servies's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9496 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34928 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
willyhoops;199078 Wrote: the point is that without drm (basically where we are now becuase itunes drm is dead) music sales collapse, artists stop making music unless its mega bucks pop t-shirt sales stuff, our economy shrinks a bit, and the record companies won't release fancy new formats as digital files we can copy to our devices. so life would clearly be better if drm was possible... and once you start thinking that way you realise how well maybe with a bit of lateral thinking and tough anti piracy legislation... Typewriter sales collapsed when someone invented the word processor, but the smart Typewriter companies evolved and the others went out of business. I don't think the economy shrunk though. DRM is the music industry's attempt to control the market, but what they don't seem to have got, is it's the customers who actually control it. They need to move on, give the customer what he or she is actually prepared to buy, and then they will continue making money. And if their margins get slimmer as a result, they'll just have to tighten their belts. Welcome to the real world. -- Patrick Dixon www.at-tunes.co.uk Patrick Dixon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=90 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34928 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
Isn't SACD already a high-quality, DRM-crippled, audio format? That's doing really well, isn't it? ;-) This is a silly debate if only that iTunes not only is selling DRM-free music, but is doing it at a higher price and a higher bitrate. The consumer is getting what they want. -- mrfantasy --Mike mrfantasy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1127 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34928 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
For the record i am not a media company stooge but i do work in finance and have a more sensible view of the world that most people who think big business is all evil etc (except of course the companies they work for or have invested in), and drm can't be stopped even though we know, for example, that the fbi can stop porn on the net and the us government have stopped online gambling. Most of all i am disgusted at how much potential there is in the squeezebox and yet how dreadful the reality is. i spent three weeks writing a tagging program powerful enough for my needs and i am buying a $700 robotic arm to scan my cd collection. my girlfriend keeps says William why are you doing all this stuff... Obviously they are going to come up with a better way. I keep saying to her not if the general public don't wake up to the importance of drm. I know paying for music will be a bit of a bummer but if we start buying it again the quality will go up and the price will go down so it will be worth it! -- willyhoops willyhoops's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34928 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
Haha No I am really serious... The program I wrote to tag which took three weeks to write is here: www.exceltagger.com I figured i may as well make it freeware :-) And here is the robotic arm: http://www.mfdigital.com/baxter.html Sad but true... -- willyhoops willyhoops's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34928 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
willyhoops;199078 Wrote: the point is that without drm (basically where we are now becuase itunes drm is dead) music sales collapse, artists stop making music unless its mega bucks pop t-shirt sales stuff, our economy shrinks a bit, and the record companies won't release fancy new formats as digital files we can copy to our devices. Music sales collapse? Yeah, because music is free. Certainly there will still be ways to make money distributing it, but the business model will change greatly, that's for sure. Artists stop making money? Sorry? What world are you living in? I know several pro musicians well and am acquainted with quite a few more, including some reasonably successful ones and one very successful one, and only that last one makes a significant portion of his income from record sales. So a few of the most successful musicians would have less money - balanced against everyone else in the country having free or cheap access to all the music they want. My expectation is there would be an explosion in the music scene as all these artificial controls were relaxed - people could sample as they wanted, explore new music without a cost barrier, there'd be more live shows, and less hype by record companies promoting the flavor-of-the-month crappy pop. Fancy new formats? I couldn't care less - I want good music, not digital formats. And cutting parasitic companies out of the market is regarded as a good thing by most economists, actually. so life would clearly be better if drm was possible... and once you start thinking that way you realise how well maybe with a bit of lateral thinking and tough anti piracy legislation... Just think about that for a while. -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34928 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
willyhoops;199094 Wrote: For the record i am not a media company stooge but i do work in finance and have a more sensible view of the world that most people who think big business is all evil etc (except of course the companies they work for or have invested in), and drm can't be stopped even though we know, for example, that the fbi can stop child porn on the net and the us government have stopped online gambling. Most of all i am disgusted at how much potential there is in the squeezebox and yet how dreadful the reality is. i spent three weeks writing a tagging program powerful enough for my needs and i am buying a $700 robotic arm to scan my cd collection. my girlfriend keeps says William why are you doing all this stuff... Obviously they are going to come up with a better way. I keep saying to her not if the general public don't wake up to the importance of drm. I know paying for music will be a bit of a bummer but if we start buying it again the quality will go up and the price will go down so it will be worth it! And just so you know I don't work for the RIAA I will happily admit that after scanning my cds i give them to friends and I regularly rip my friends CDs and suggest they buy a squeezbox and take a complete copy of my collection. It's a nightmare for the industry but until the fools build a decent DRM and lock it down with laws we may as well all join the party. How about an accurate rip + flac sharing web site by the way? Maybe one that focuses on Classical? Lets do it in style... (Joke) oops...wrong planet. Light gravity + heavy water. . -- haunyack Transporter - BK Reference 200.2 - Vandersteen 3A Signature. Fridgidare - Mirror Pond pale ale - easy chair w/remote - irritated neighbors. haunyack's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9721 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34928 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What mods on SB3 REALLY make a difference in reducing jitter?
crooner;199024 Wrote: The Stereovox cable is the other way around. It is terminated with true 75 ohm BNC connectors with optional lock-in RCA adapters. It was designed by the same engineer that devised the famed Illuminati D60 cable. That's exactly what we are talking about. Waste of money unless you have a true BNC requirement on least one end (Source or DAC). -- mswlogo mswlogo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9090 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34749 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What mods on SB3 REALLY make a difference in reducing jitter?
mswlogo;199113 Wrote: That's exactly what we are talking about. Waste of money unless you have a true BNC requirement on least one end (Source or DAC). Well, then its Toslink for me then because the Bryston dac do not have bnc either -- Anne Bryston B-100 SST, Squeezebox 3, Martin Logan Aeon I. Anne's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34749 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What mods on SB3 REALLY make a difference in reducing jitter?
Best way to reduce jitter and improve sound.. Monarchy 48/96 DIP upsamper... Cheap and good! -- ErikM ErikM's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7576 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34749 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
willyhoops;199094 Wrote: I know paying for music will be a bit of a bummer but if we start buying it again the quality will go up and the price will go down so it will be worth it! mr. finance, it doesn't work that way if you paid for it, why would anybody bother improving the quality or lowering the price? because it's obviously selling fine the way it is if you already bought it. -- EFP EFP's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6651 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34928 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
willyhoops;199037 Wrote: * Suppose you created a format which was 24bit recordings so it is better than cd quality.. * And suppose you embedded lots of text and images in the files so you can see words and pics and documents and stories in a whole new experience that goes far beyond todays mp3 files * And suppose the files are playable on a variety of devices like portable ipods and hi quality boxes like the transporters * And suppose those files are backed up for you so you can never loose them and any device you buy in the future can be compatible with them * And suppose those files are there for you at any compression rate you like - so you can put high quality ones in the transporter and low quality ones in the ipod all effortlessly * And those files are just simple .zip like packs containing multiple tracks that you load and never need to worry about which directory they are in etc and even my mother can get into hard drive music playback Now suddenly you have something that consumers really want and there are no files like it in the world and ripping Cd's can not compare I think John Lennon has the copyright on that song :) -- adamslim Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others http://www.last.fm/user/AdamSlim/ 'Last.fm group: people who don't listen to any of last.fm's top artists' (http://www.last.fm/group/People+who+don%27t+listen+to+any+of+last.fm%27s+top+artists) adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34928 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Flac or Apple Lossless?
No difference in quality between ALAC and FLAC but you will find most people favour FLAC because it is non-proprietary code unlike Apple's. Lots of user support and development going on with FLAC as well, hence the following. Choose carefully as once you have ripped in one format it is a pain to change. I started out ripping my CD's to ALAC as I thought the iTunes interface was better but eventually succumbed from the weight of opinion and re-did everything in FLAC, and have not regretted it. All my FLAC music files can be converted to MP3 to use on my iPod using foobar2000 or batch processed using the FLAC2MP3 script. As the SB3 does on the fly FLAC decoding it will also use less bandwidth. EAC is supposed to produce more accurate CD rips, or at least tell you if there are deficiencies whilst iTunes will go blindly on. If you are thinking of trading music FLAC is the defacto lossless standard. So a case of an easy Apple life or follow the 'in-crowd' for a bit of fun! -- Heuer Heuer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2543 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34953 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
well i like a good debate but this was not much fun. i wrote up my thoughts on the subject and will email to various enlightened people to see if i am really as mad as you all think. i have an academic friend who contributed to the mp4 standard and is on the patent pool.. if he sends me a great write up i will post here so you know you are all loosers :-) and if he says i am mad you will hear no more :-) http://www.willyhoops.com/AudioDRM.htm -- willyhoops willyhoops's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34928 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
In the meantime, some enlightened companies are selling non-DRM HQ files... If you can point me at a successful business model that relied on constraining the rights of innocent people to enjoy the fruits of their hard work by assuming they are criminals with no evidence then I'd be very interested. Imagine the uproar if Ford (say) had a law passed in their favour so that it was illegal to fit 3rd-party parts or, if a camera manufacturer claimed proprietary rights over any image you captured with their hardware... or, if some buffoon tried to stop you copying your CD onto another media so you could enjoy your legally acquired music in a different context...oops! -- Phil Leigh Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34928 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Flac or Apple Lossless?
The point of FLAC and Apple lossless is that they are LOSSLESS, so there is no difference in the bits presented to the DAC regardless of whether it is stored as FLAC, ALAC, or uncompressed WAV. As has been pointed out iTunes may not be the best way to rip your CD collection. I have been very happy with EAC and a Plextor PX-230A drive. There have been a couple discs that didn't work in the Plextor, not because there was any visible damage, but I also have a Teac DV-516GA DVD drive, which read the discs the Plextor would not with no problem. So it appears that the best situation is to try a second, different type of drive for stubborn discs. -- Timothy Stockman Timothy Stockman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8867 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34953 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
willyhoops;199124 Wrote: well i like a good debate but this was not much fun. i wrote up my thoughts on the subject and will email to various enlightened people to see if i am really as mad as you all think. i have an academic friend who contributed to the mp4 standard and is on the patent pool.. if he sends me a great write up i will post here so you know you are all loosers :-) and if he says i am mad you will hear no more :-) So because he contributed to a codec... that makes him an expert in public key encryption, key management, economics, contract law, international law and marketing? (Since all of those and more would be needed.) You don't need to be an expert in Key Management to see the problem: look at how fast DVD, HD-DVD and BluRay have been cracked. You don't need to be an expert in marketing to know that oh, just buy a new PC with a SIM slot! and a new CD player for your car! And a new portable! etc.. would be a very hard sell for consumers. Not to mention the odds of getting all the hardware vendors to agree on a Single Standard (just whose standard? and how much will royalty payments be?), etc. Perhaps you should put your money where your mouth is and stop pirating yourself? I pay for my music, I don't see why you can't. Everyone else does it is not an excuse. -- snarlydwarf snarlydwarf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1179 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34928 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What mods on SB3 REALLY make a difference in reducing jitter?
opaqueice;198986 Wrote: In fairness, the requirements for sending an S/PDIF signal are rather different than for an analogue audio signal. As I've learned on this forum, you have to remember that even GHz frequency components might be relevant in S/PDIF transmission (as filtering them will round off transitions and induce jitter). That brings even relatively short cables into the transmission line regime, whereas for analogue audio that's not the case at all. Of course that doesn't imply that any of this will make an audible difference - I suspect not - but one can over-engineer. Now that's interesting... So we're on the way back to over-everything SPDIF cables? -- 325xi 325xi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5661 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34749 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What mods on SB3 REALLY make a difference in reducing jitter?
AndyC_772;198931 Wrote: So... measurements aren't everything. That's not news - just look at the specs of any valve amp. The first rule of choosing hi-fi is to trust your own ears. How the product works, and what measurements can be made from it, may be of academic interest to potential buyers - but it's only the design engineer that really needs to know about them. I can't kill my inner engineer! And this is one of the reasons I don't use any valve amps. ;) No, really, measurements are just measurements, they are not good or bad. They can only be good or bad for a particular application. If they are bad for this application, but the device sounds good, then either I'm deaf, or requirements for this application are incorrect. I suspect the second options is closer to reality, but as long as we don't have any better requirements for audio gear I can't sleep well, knowing that my DAC measures baaad... -- 325xi 325xi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5661 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34749 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Flac or Apple Lossless?
I have been using Apple Lossless since it came out and I find iTunes very easy to use and manage my music. I am not worried about its being proprietary, Apple is very likely to be here longer than I will be. I find all the extra steps for FLAC time consuming whereas with iTunes I just select my preferences and settings and do nothing more but put a disk in my CDR drive. I like iTunes for playlists and compilations. The music through my SB3 and Electrocompaniet DAC sounds identical to that through my Linn Unidisk 2.1 and Marantz SA-1. -- sc53 sc53's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8690 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34953 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
sorry, just couldn't resist, but: Phil Leigh;199129 Wrote: If you can point me at a successful business model that relied on constraining the rights of innocent people to enjoy the fruits of their hard work by assuming they are criminals with no evidence then I'd be very interested. Ever heard of pick_your_favorite_country government. :) K -- slimkid The sound stage will open up, bass will tighten and the imaging will improve. DVD performance will also increase substantially. slimkid's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8881 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34928 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
Can you provide any back-up to this statement: CD sales are down 20% year on year and growing online digital file sales are very much failing to make up the gap I have a few problems with it: 1. Unit of measurement - if you are talking dollars, I don't think it is a relevant statement. Sure, the big guys aren't making their gross (I mean indecent) revenues profits, but I believe (IMO) there is a far more important redistribution of dollars to artists who are not abused by the big guys. So far, win-win (except for shareholders, but I wouldn't invest in them any more than I would invest in tobacco merchants) 2. If you are talking 'songs', I have a very hard time believing that online digital music has not resulted in a far larger quantity of 'songs' being distributed (purchased) than what were distributed on CD alone. In the end, the labels are going to have to accept (and EMI has begun) that the old business model is dead, and a new one that hopefully better distributes the wealth to the artists will rise from the ashes! -- nicketynick Wireless SB3, Denon DRA-F101, Mission M31 loudspeakers WinXP SP2 Slimserver, SMC WBR14g router http://www.last.fm/user/nicketynick/ nicketynick's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1511 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34928 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
CD sales have dropped because of PRICE.. If all new cd releases where say $7.99 instead of $14-$15. people would buy more.. Hard to justify $15. when the average consumer can download an MP3 copy for $9.99 from the comfort of their computer.. But price Cd's cheap and I believe that folks would buy a lot of new and different music... In consumer land price drives everything. -- ErikM ErikM's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7576 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34928 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Flac or Apple Lossless?
Recently iTunes deleted 10% of my .m4a library without any reason to do so. Thumbs up for FLAC! -- michel michel's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4393 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34953 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
The other ridiculous notion posted here is that the force of law will prohibit people from circumventing DRM. Just like gun laws prevent people from obtaining guns, alcohol prohibition prevented people from drinking, and drug laws prevent people from using drugs, right? Never in human history has prohibition worked where there is both a desire and an opportunity to circumvent it. -- jeffmeh jeffmeh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3986 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34928 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Flac or Apple Lossless?
sc53;199144 Wrote: Apple is very likely to be here longer than I will be. Really? Even if they are, are they going to continue to support their products when the next big thing comes along? Will you end up having to buy an apple.tv, apple.house and get an apple.wife to get it all to work? I prefer the notion of small enterprise and free software, so use FLAC. It's also much better to use (MP3Tag and) multiple tag fields, which Apple does not do. As soon as your library really grows, you may find iTunes lacking - I did. Combine that with the knowledge that you are -really- in control, and the decision is easy. Oh and Rockbox on the iPod :) Adam -- adamslim Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others http://www.last.fm/user/AdamSlim/ 'Last.fm group: people who don't listen to any of last.fm's top artists' (http://www.last.fm/group/People+who+don%27t+listen+to+any+of+last.fm%27s+top+artists) adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34953 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
jeffmeh;199162 Wrote: Just like gun laws prevent people from obtaining guns, alcohol prohibition prevented people from drinking, and drug laws prevent people from using drugs, right? Never in human history has prohibition worked where there is both a desire and an opportunity to circumvent it. Your comments reminded me of 'THIS MODERN WORLD', the comic strip, from last week: [4/27/07*] Code: ___ | | | THERE ARE LAWS AGAINST RAPE, MURDER, AND KIDNAPPING-- | | _| | / |/ __ | | | AND YET THERE ARE *-STILL-* RAPES, MURDERS, AND KIDNAPPINGS! | |_ __| \ | \| __ | | | CLEARLY THE *ONLY* RATIONAL RESPONSE | |__| | | | |_ | | | IS TO *ELIMINATE* THOSE LAWS -*ENTIRELY!*- | | | | / |/ * http://www.workingforchange.com/comic.cfm?itemid=22267 -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34928 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
jeffmeh;199162 Wrote: The other ridiculous notion posted here is that the force of law will prohibit people from circumventing DRM. Just like gun laws prevent people from obtaining guns, alcohol prohibition prevented people from drinking, and drug laws prevent people from using drugs, right? Never in human history has prohibition worked where there is both a desire and an opportunity to circumvent it. yes - right on the money! -- Phil Leigh Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34928 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
slimkid;199145 Wrote: sorry, just couldn't resist, but: Ever heard of pick_your_favorite_country government. :) K That is a political model, not a business one! -- Phil Leigh Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34928 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
Phil Leigh;199176 Wrote: That is a political model, not a business one! the only difference is that if you want to buy a competitor's product then you have to move to where it's being sold; they don't deliver. unless they have a really strong interest in selling you their special brand because maybe you know something that could be embarrassing for the board of directors, then you might get a visit from their sales team and make you the one being delivered. -- EFP EFP's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6651 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34928 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] I ripped using the laptop. Hang Me?
Hello. first time, long time. consider me 2 months past ignorant of even knowing stuff like sb existed. I'm sortive old and sortive oblivious. Furthermore, I had been using my car stereo as the source of hi-fi enjoyment. When I bought a laptop, we asked the fella how can we hook this up to our home stereo He suggested using a y-adapter and headphone out - Receiver. Uh, isn't that going to sound pretty bad, with the amplified signal from the Headphone jack? Nah, it'll sound great. Guy at radio shack said the same. Well, there was lots of hum. Was it groud loop? I don't know. But I ran on battery only to test, and still there. So anyway, you'd be surprised how few normal people even realize this sb and other products like it exist. I was clued in by an associate, after asking lots of folks if there was an alternative and trying to search the interweb, apparently with poor key word choices. Ok, back to post. So, not knowing better 3 months ago, I ripped my cds (wma lossless) using the Compaq Laptop cd drive. Here's my question: Pretend I have good music-ears, and tell me what I should listen for, in order to determine a degraded version, due to using a sub-optimal drive for ripping. (if anything) My Home equipment is very very average. Having spent 10k on the car stereo 7 yrs ago, I felt, at least for now, that a modest home theatre would be fine. Maybe with cheap speakers, I won't tell a difference from using a laptop to burn? I only burn certain tracks If it's worth it, I'd reburn (and probably use FLAC, although the current wma is cool, even w/o full remote fuctionality) thank you for reading this and for your help. *** ooops, I may have posted in the wrong forum. I see there is a rip forum. Maybe some Mod will move this for me? Until then, one of you Audiophiles can addrees the nuances! -- Actuary Actuary's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11391 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34963 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] I ripped using the laptop. Hang Me?
Actuary;199182 Wrote: Hello. first time, long time. consider me 2 months past ignorant of even knowing stuff like sb existed. I'm sortive old and sortive oblivious. Furthermore, I had been using my car stereo as the source of hi-fi enjoyment. When I bought a laptop, we asked the fella how can we hook this up to our home stereo He suggested using a y-adapter and headphone out - Receiver. Uh, isn't that going to sound pretty bad, with the amplified signal from the Headphone jack? Nah, it'll sound great. Guy at radio shack said the same. Well, there was lots of hum. Was it groud loop? I don't know. But I ran on battery only to test, and still there. So anyway, you'd be surprised how few normal people even realize this sb and other products like it exist. I was clued in by an associate, after asking lots of folks if there was an alternative and trying to search the interweb, apparently with poor key word choices. Ok, back to post. So, not knowing better 3 months ago, I ripped my cds (wma lossless) using the Compaq Laptop cd drive. Here's my question: Pretend I have good music-ears, and tell me what I should listen for, in order to determine a degraded version, due to using a sub-optimal drive for ripping. (if anything) My Home equipment is very very average. Having spent 10k on the car stereo 7 yrs ago, I felt, at least for now, that a modest home theatre would be fine. Maybe with cheap speakers, I won't tell a difference from using a laptop to burn? I only burn certain tracks If it's worth it, I'd reburn (and probably use FLAC, although the current wma is cool, even w/o full remote fuctionality) thank you for reading this and for your help. *** ooops, I may have posted in the wrong forum. I see there is a rip forum. Maybe some Mod will move this for me? Until then, one of you Audiophiles can addrees the nuances! Laptop drives are just fine for ripping.. what matters is using a secure ripper like cdparanoia (linux), EAC (windows) -- SuperQ SuperQ's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2139 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34963 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Flac or Apple Lossless?
The choice is simple, FLAC is simply more flexible than ALAC. From Flac you could go back to WAV, AIFF, and to CD From Flac you could go to MP3 Flac support 24 Bits, Multichannel, etc... Flac is supported on Windows, Linux, MacOS... Flac is easy to broadcast (ex:Squeezebox) For me Flac is simply the best invention for audio after the Compact Cassette and the Compact Disc, and best of all it's robust and free. Long life to Flac. -- mftech Tête à FLAC mftech's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1586 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34953 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] I ripped using the laptop. Hang Me?
I ripped most of my 620 cds using Itunes on a laptop while I worked away on my pc. It was very convenient. I ripped to apple lossless files and they seem fine except for The Best of Van Morrison, a CD that was in the hands of my kids for months and is now not in the best of condition. It does not play worth a damn. If its not the dogs its the kids. -- jdbaker jdbaker's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8531 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34963 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] I ripped using the laptop. Hang Me?
It's been my experience, that CD ripping problems, with most modern hardware, are more often macro rather than micro... In other words, with if you aren't experiencing skipping or muting, you've probably ripped without problems. Tools like EAC were initially developed to overcome the serious hardware problems of the day, and many of us continue to use it because we've been burned in the past and are paranoid! If you're worried about quality, and don't mind paying the price (of slower ripping speed) It's still one of the best. As always, your mileage may vary! Dave -- DCtoDaylight DCtoDaylight's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7284 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34963 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
willyhoops;199037 Wrote: * Suppose you created a format which was 24bit recordings so it is better than cd quality.. * And suppose you embedded lots of text and images in the files so you can see words and pics and documents and stories in a whole new experience that goes far beyond todays mp3 files * And suppose the files are playable on a variety of devices like portable ipods and hi quality boxes like the transporters * And suppose those files are backed up for you so you can never loose them and any device you buy in the future can be compatible with them * And suppose those files are there for you at any compression rate you like - so you can put high quality ones in the transporter and low quality ones in the ipod all effortlessly * And those files are just simple .zip like packs containing multiple tracks that you load and never need to worry about which directory they are in etc and even my mother can get into hard drive music playback How would this work, exactly? It sounds like all devices, hardware and software, now and in the future, would have to license the codec and DRM scheme for this super wonderful format. One company would have complete control over the whole recording, distribution, and playback chain. If they decided to charge $20 per song, drop the tags and lyrics, and reduce the sound quality, what recourse would consumers have? If they control the DRM, they can change the terms of the contract any time they want. And what happens when the DRM is cracked? Throw everything away and start over? And what about the analog hole? Couldn't you just record it to an open format by digitizing the analog output or using a microphone? And what about artists or hardware makers who refused to play along? Jail them? What about music from other countries? Our laws don't apply there. It's a nice pipe dream - now put down the pipe and think about the reality. -- Pale Blue Ego Pale Blue Ego's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=110 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34928 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What mods on SB3 REALLY make a difference in reducing jitter?
ErikM;199115 Wrote: Best way to reduce jitter and improve sound.. Monarchy 48/96 DIP upsamper... Cheap and good! Resampling to 44.1khz to 48khz is a bad idea. If it supported 88.2Khz is fine but unfortunately Slim Devices doesn't support 88.2Khz. Upsampling to 96khz is useless on SqueezeBox 3 since it would down sample back 48Khz. In fact people go to great lengths to get their computers to NOT resample 44.1Khz CD's to 48khz on their SPDIF capable sound cards. Sorry but this would do more harm than good, really bad idea. -- mswlogo mswlogo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9090 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34749 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What mods on SB3 REALLY make a difference in reducing jitter?
Anne;199114 Wrote: Well, then its Toslink for me then because the Bryston dac do not have bnc either There is a strong bias by audiophiles that Coax (RCA) is better than TosLink. I wouldn't avoid RCA 75ohm Coax just because there is a debate over BNC vs RCA connectors. My understanding is that RCA connectors are fine at the speeds and distances SPDIF runs. -- mswlogo mswlogo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9090 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34749 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] I ripped using the laptop. Hang Me?
Laptop drive is fine. But you might want to read up on Flac, EAC, Accurate Rip and DBPoweramp. -- mswlogo mswlogo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9090 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34963 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
Phil Leigh;199176 Wrote: That is a political model, not a business one! And the difference is? You must be very young :), otherwise you would have realised that the only reason man does anything is money (which is later used to buy two most important goods - power and women) :0 :) :) -- slimkid The sound stage will open up, bass will tighten and the imaging will improve. DVD performance will also increase substantially. slimkid's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8881 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34928 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRM lessons from the Squeezebox
slimkid wrote: the only reason man does anything is money (which is later used to buy two most important goods - power and women) :0 :) :) Actually, you can argue that Power and Money are isomorphic. With power you can get money and women. With money, you can get power and women. The point of men, of course, is to get women. The rest, including audiophile gear, is just a way to keep score along the way to the important stuff. Too bad we men are clueless, the women pick us, not the way we claim and think. Back on topic for at least this forum, my measure of a stereo is how it does solo female voices. That, and solo acoustic guitar are easy metrics for my ears. These are much harder to reproduce faithfully than say Led Zepplin at 11. -- Pat http://www.pfarrell.com/music/slimserver/slimsoftware.html ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
