Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?
anyone know anywhere in the UKthat would perform the upgrades michael123 mentions? -- twheatley twheatley's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5167 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76496 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?
twheatley;528751 Wrote: anyone know anywhere in the UKthat would perform the upgrades michael123 mentions? Interestingly, Audiocom only do a digital output upgrade for the TP. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... SB Touch Beta (wired) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76496 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?
When we replaced 6 op-amps with Burson discrete ones, oscilloscope showed some noise. So, initially we thought of power supply. Frankly, the guy who did the mod had some available (dedicated toroidal power supply + super regulators), but after he installed it (to feed op-amps) he could not see the benefits (noise remained) The outcome of this test showed us that the power supply of Transporter is very good (no similarities to SB3 at all). Few days after we tested modded Transporter against EMM Labs XDS1 player (one of the most expensive on the market and considered to be one of the best) - http://www.emmlabs.com/html/audio/xds1/xds1.html Rest of the system was on par with this machine, such as Von Schweikert VR-7 speakers.. We listened for five hours via Transporter digital output AES/EBU fed to EMM input, EMM CD source, and Transporter modded analog output. While Transporter's analog output was close to EMM's (small difference was mainly in the high-frequency area, Transporter was more extended), digital was the same. We did switching between preamp inputs every few minutes.. No difference.. And we all have (we were group of three people) 'audiophile' ears :-) So, I would not perform digital-only mod.. -- michael123 michael123's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23745 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76496 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?
twheatley;528751 Wrote: anyone know anywhere in the UKthat would perform the upgrades michael123 mentions? It's always worth bearing in mind this post... http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=249134postcount=4 -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... SB Touch Beta (wired) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76496 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?
Phil Bear in mid this link: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=505803postcount=56 yes, power supply of Transporter is good enough as well as digital output interface. This is what we saw and compared.. [ Digital input, however, is not at the same level IMHO. ] Yet, analog topology *is exactly as* specified by Asahi Kasei (one of, actually - there are few options), on page 35 of the spec (there are very small differences, but the topology is 100% same) Bear in mind that we had Transporter opened for 10 days against out eyes Bear in mind we tested different components and measured with equipment and then listened.. Bear in mind that the raw electronics in analog stage is very basic (could not be worse than that..) Shall I continue? -- michael123 michael123's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23745 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76496 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?
michael123 wrote: Shall I continue? No You have become a troll. And your SeanTrollScore for these recent posts is 0/10. See http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76315 -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?
Pat give me a favor. When you will have something meaningful to say on the subject of this thread, say it.. In the meantime... -- michael123 michael123's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23745 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76496 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?
michael123 wrote: When you will have something meaningful to say on the subject of this thread, say it.. We have fully explored this thread. You are asking for stuff that will not be answered. You want stuff that can't be done. If you hate the Transporter so much, and have half the skills you claim, built your own. Otherwise, please, go away. -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?
Pat 1) stop insulting me I will bring this to attention of Logitech guys You should go away as your posts are ignorant and irritating 2) You are misleading.. Transporter can be upgraded and improved, that's the point.. As with every component. All audio designers are DIY-ers and modders. Did you visit DIYAudio? You can meet there John Curl, Nelson Pass, ... 3) I am a legitimate (paying) customer of SlimDevices and Logitech. You're not going to shut me off 4) People asked me about the mod, so I provided some questions.. 5) Yes, I got the questions regarding 192/24. I understood that nobody will profile it. -- michael123 michael123's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23745 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76496 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?
michael123 wrote: 1) stop insulting me I will bring this to attention of Logitech guys You should go away as your posts are ignorant and irritating I have not insulted you. I have said that your posts are pointless and you are a troll. You act like a troll, you write like a troll, you listen like a troll. As a wise man once said, if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck 2) You are misleading.. Transporter can be upgraded and improved, that's the point.. As with every component. All audio designers are DIY-ers and modders. If you hack it up, its no longer a Transporter. Its like someone who has a 32 ford and puts a Chevy V8 into it. Its now a hot rod, its not a Ford. The Transporter is old, Electronics moves with Moore's Law. If you want to hot rod it, why are you here in the commercial product forums and not in some DIY site? 3) I am a legitimate (paying) customer of SlimDevices and Logitech. You're not going to shut me off Of course not, I am asking you, politely to shut up. 4) People asked me about the mod, so I provided some questions.. What people? You seem to be just asking the same thing over and over. One definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?
pfarrell;528841 Wrote: michael123 wrote:[color=blue] What people? See few posts before pfarrell;528841 Wrote: michael123 wrote:[color=blue] You seem to be just asking the same thing over and over. One definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. And another definition of insult somebody is to call him 'insane' Pat, I love my Transported, I loved it before and now I love it even more. If I would not love it, I would not mod it, but just connect some Weiss DAC.. My specialization is performance of cluster-based enterprise system. My background is imaging processing and algorithms. Software system performance can be always improved, this is matter of time and will. This is my bread and butter. I got paid for it. But I got my answer.. -- michael123 michael123's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23745 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76496 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?
michael123;528824 Wrote: Phil Bear in mid this link: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=505803postcount=56 yes, power supply of Transporter is good enough as well as digital output interface. This is what we saw and compared.. [ Digital input, however, is not at the same level IMHO. ] Yet, analog topology *is exactly as* specified by Asahi Kasei (one of, actually - there are few options), on page 35 of the spec (there are very small differences, but the topology is 100% same) Bear in mind that we had Transporter opened for 10 days against our eyes Bear in mind we tested different components and measured with equipment and then listened.. Bear in mind that the raw electronics in analog stage is very basic (could not be worse than that..) Shall I continue? Well, no need really - a lot (probably most) of the music we listen to has already passed through several 5532/4 opamps (or worse - much worse) with power supplies you and I wouldn't allow in the house, so there is no going back from there. Messing around with the opamps in the TP will make it sound different for sure, but absolutely better (more accurate)? Categorically not. Just better for you - which is fine. DAC output stages are like cartridges - pick one to suit your own taste. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... SB Touch Beta (wired) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76496 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?
michael123;528847 Wrote: My specialization is performance of cluster-based enterprise system. My background is imaging processing and algorithms. Software system performance can be always improved, this is matter of time and will. This is my bread and butter. I got paid for it. But I got my answer.. This is not true. If it were, it would be possible to run Windows on an 8008. Eventually you hit the wall on software optimizations. -- snarlydwarf snarlydwarf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1179 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76496 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?
Well, I don't know which is michael23's job, but he's right on software's performance. Optimizations are not indefinite, of course, but you can divide useful (externally observed) response time by 20 to 50 most of the time. ;) -- Themis SB3 - North Star dac 192 - Croft 25Pre and Series 7 power - Sonus Faber Grand Piano Domus Themis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14700 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76496 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?
Themis;528895 Wrote: Well, I don't know which is michael123's job, but he's right on software performance. Optimizations are not indefinite, of course, but you can divide useful (externally observed) response time by 20 to 50 most of the time. ;) You can go so far then eventually you have to throw tin at the problem. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... SB Touch Beta (wired) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76496 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?
Sorry, Phil, my English is not good enough to know what throw tin means... and search engines were not of much help. I would be grateful if you could provide a synonym, if you don't mind. -- Themis SB3 - North Star dac 192 - Croft 25Pre and Series 7 power - Sonus Faber Grand Piano Domus Themis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14700 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76496 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter Display Problem
Posted in the General Discussion as well. Has anyone ever seen a Transporter (or SB) display scramble or look like the text has been garbled or jumbled? I tried uploading a JPG but it wouldn't accept the image file. Here's a link: http://www.monigle.net/glitch.jpg My hunch is this is somehow related to the server/software, but perhaps it is a hardware malfunction. This TP is about 3 years old, and has worked flawlessly. I sold to someone via ebay and he is seeing this on the display. This happens after the device is running for a bit, playing music (sometimes minutes, sometimes hours). A power cycle (pulling the cord) seems to restore it, until the next glitch. Running Vista Ultimate and the latest version of the server software. Any help much appreciated. M -- ModMike ModMike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4666 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76640 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?
On 29/03/10 23:34, Themis wrote: Sorry, Phil, my English is not good enough to know what throw tin means... and search engines were not of much help. I would be grateful if you could provide a synonym, if you don't mind. To throw tin at something means to upgrade the hardware. R. ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?
Robin Bowes wrote: On 29/03/10 23:34, Themis wrote: Sorry, Phil, my English is not good enough to know what throw tin means... and search engines were not of much help. I would be grateful if you could provide a synonym, if you don't mind. To throw tin at something means to upgrade the hardware. Back when I drove near junker cars as an impoverished student, we would talk about how to best fix up the car. Sometimes, the best approach was to jack up the radiator cap, and replace everything under it. A more serious version of upgrading the hardware While the 'high end' audio folks have a longer time frame, anything computer related that is four or five years old is economically obsolete. -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter Display Problem
It might be worth performing a Xilinx reset. Don't know the process off-hand, but I believe it's documented on the Wiki. -- tcutting tcutting's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17402 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76640 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?
pfarrell;528958 Wrote: While the 'high end' audio folks have a longer time frame, anything computer related that is four or five years old is economically obsolete. With the fast rise of ARM processors in the last few years, that timeline is accelerated for 'embedded' applications. cheap, low wattage, reasonable cpu speed and a wealth of options on chip. Even my TV has an ARM processor in it (and runs Linux). -- snarlydwarf snarlydwarf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1179 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76496 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Why cannot you make Transporter support 176.4 and 192Khz/24?
snarlydwarf wrote: pfarrell;528958 Wrote: While the 'high end' audio folks have a longer time frame, anything computer related that is four or five years old is economically obsolete. With the fast rise of ARM processors in the last few years, that timeline is accelerated for 'embedded' applications. cheap, low wattage, reasonable cpu speed and a wealth of options on chip. Even my TV has an ARM processor in it (and runs Linux). Yes, the ARM is a great chip. iPhones have three of them. They are everywhere. I can't predict the future, but as all media moves to digital formats (vinyl lovers excepted) there is not a lot of room for the old style using of components for decades. I still have two Large Advents that I bought in 1971, but I don't use them for anything. My brother has my Dynaco preamp and amp from that system. Modern systems are going to be all DSP based, with an ARM or whatever replaces it in charge. The idea of putting a lot of time, money and effort into improving a piece of HiFi gear is going to look as silly as putting a lot of money into restoring a mid-70s vintage Toyota. Real computers (desktops, laptops, etc., as opposed to embedded systems) have gotten so powerful that 99% of the buyers never use even a fraction of their capabilities. Pat -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Aperion Speakers Peachtree
Although I have no personal experience with Aperion, they appear to have earned excellent press and likely represent an excellent value. That being said, the established manufacturers I mentioned above have long histories of success at all levels of the hifi market. The techniques they refine in their higher end products ultimately are applied to more affordable ones at the level the poster is talking about. The speakers these companies make are all excellent considering the limits imposed by their pricing. The Peachtree is the unique product here - with an interesting combo of features, performance, and aesthetics. The monitor and sub combinations from any of these manufacturers will make you very happy. Just audition a few, select ones that suit your tastes, and educate yourself about how to best integrate them into your room. The towers at that end of the market will not offer the same lows a good sub can. -- esbrewer Server: 2.4GHz Intel iMac running Mac OS 10.6.2, SBS 7.4.2, Inguz DRC Sources: SB3 (2), SB Boom, NAD C542, NAD T515 Amplification: NAD C720BEE Loudspeakers: Paradigm Studio 20 (v.1), SVS SB-12 Plus Headphones: Grado SR60, Etymotic ER4P http://www.last.fm/user/esbrewer esbrewer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76284 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] transporter balanced output?
hello, are there people who have compared the transporter's balanced out to the single-ended out? and can speak to the differences? I wonder if it's worth experimenting. but my current amp does not have balanced input. I like class D amps (but don't mind A or A/B), but I'm limited in my amp choices because I need the wattage to drive magneplanar speakers (I can't justify buying a tube amp with that much power too expensive). so many good recommendations won't work for me... does anyone here use a wyred4sound or ps audio amp with balanced input from their transporter? -- melomaniac melomaniac's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12140 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76644 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
