Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Squeezebox Duet and Beresford Caiman DAC
Hi I have been meaning to do this for a while, when first installed I couldn't live with the Duet against the CD5i, the sound was dull and lifeless in comparison, the DAC solved that (bought used, so already run in). Approx nine months on the Duet is well run in and the difference is not so great but it is still noticeably better with the DAC than without, just more of everything, more life and groove, more toe tapping! I would be very interested to try the Caiman or upgrading my DAC internally, from what people are saying (I haven't heard one) I reckon a Touch might outperform a standard T-7510 so might need a Caiman to improve it. I put my Panasonic Blu-ray through the DAC for music DVD and I can't tell any difference whatsoever between the DAC and anolouge output from the TV, so may try a Touch and not bother with a DAC, decisions decisions! Dave -- dogsnadgers dogsnadgers's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34782 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78036 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Squeezebox Duet and Beresford Caiman DAC
dogsnadgers;541876 Wrote: Hi I have been meaning to do this for a while, when first installed I couldn't live with the Duet against the CD5i, the sound was dull and lifeless in comparison, the DAC solved that (bought used, so already run in). Approx nine months on the Duet is well run in and the difference is not so great but it is still noticeably better with the DAC than without, just more of everything, more life and groove, more toe tapping! I would be very interested to try the Caiman or upgrading my DAC internally, from what people are saying (I haven't heard one) I reckon a Touch might outperform a standard T-7510 so might need a Caiman to improve it. I put my Panasonic Blu-ray through the DAC for music DVD and I can't tell any difference whatsoever between the DAC and anolouge output from the TV, so may try a Touch and not bother with a DAC, decisions decisions! Dave HI, Im using a Touch with a modded Caiman Dac. I've upgraded the Regulators and the Output capacitors, which gave a great upgrade to the standard Dac. Its fair to say that the Dac Im using is a fair bit better than the standard 7510(I've also owned a 7510 MK6/3 and a standard 7520), and I've compared the Touch analogue with it running into my Dac. The Dac is better..more of everything..just plays music not hifi. That said, I could live with the analogue outss on the Touch if I didnt have the Dac, its very very good, a lot better than the SB3 I owned previously. Guess Im saying you would get away with just using the Touch on its own, I'd equate it with a very good £600 CD player...but as a digital transport its capable of a whole lot more. I'm upgrading my Dac again because of it! -- Gazjam Gazjam's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18604 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78036 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DAC Resolution Test and Don't EVER use Digital Volume Control
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auditory_masking Phil Leigh;541860 Wrote: Your last test has already been done, as I posted earlier. The fact is that people cant hear a brass marching band stuffed into the bottom bits of a 16-bit file playing Brahms Lullaby! Ironically, if they could, reducing the volume would eventually lose the Brass Band but leave the Brahms... You are also missing the point about human hearing vs what systems can actually do in terms of dynamic range. There are very few hi-fi systems that can generate 120dB of clean sound. Even so, the human ear cannot actually hear 0dB and 120dB AT THE SAME TIME (especially if the ambient noise level is at a realistic 50dB). Yes the loudest sound we can comfortably tolerate for a short while may be 120 and the quietest we can hear might be 0 - but the ear+brain doesn't work like a perfect microphone! It has to make choices. The ear-brain has a built-in AGC to amplify very quiet sounds and a sophisticated compressor that protects us from loud sounds. The practical result of this is that the actual perceived dynamic range is much less than theory would imply. Probably more like 70dB, but the baseline datum point moves - this is the important point. IF the max level is 120 you can probably only hear down to 50 - if the max is 70 you might be able to hear 0... I'm still not clear exactly what effect you think digital attenuation has on the sound? see also here: http://www.ethanwiner.com/audibility.html -- brodeur brodeur's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37816 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77725 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DAC Resolution Test and Don't EVER use Digital Volume Control
Phil Leigh;541860 Wrote: I'm still not clear exactly what effect you think digital attenuation has on the sound? For my (usually low) listening levels, analog preamp sound enjoyable, while digital lacks bass, imaging... Sounds nonsense? -- michael123 michael123's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23745 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77725 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DAC Resolution Test and Don't EVER use Digital Volume Control
Imagine sitting a comfortable distance from your 50 1080HD TV screen. Imagine someone reduces the size of a picture from fullscreen to 1/128th the size - a 7 bit reduction of digital volume to a dithered 15x8 pixel image. Is the image noticeably more pixellated than with a fullscreen image? If you pushed your nose against the screen or if you blow up the 15x8 pixel image to the full 50 you will notice the distortion on the smaller image. That's irrelevant to this discussion. On a 50 TV the size of the picture is now less than half an inch diagonally! If you stay at your comfortable distance from the screen the smaller image will not suffer because of the lack of pixels because it's too small for you to see! If there were a way to render 150x80 pixels into this same postage stamp of screen area would you notice the difference? (If so, I suggest that means you can see pixellation on a fullscreen image from your sitting position.) I think this is a pretty good analogy for how a digi volume control works. Either you can perceive distortion in a 16 bit signal (at full volume or low volume) or you can't. Reducing digital volume doesn't change whether or not you can perceive digital distortion. If you can't notice digital distortion at 100% volume you won't notice at reduced volume either. If you can hear digital distortion at low digital volumes you should be able to perceive it at 100% volume too - and that has nothing to do with digital volume control. The big assumption here is comfortable distance from screen which is the equivalent of setting up your analogue attenuation right. Not optional, absolutely essential. Darren -- darrenyeats http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/richpub/listmania/byauthor/A3H57URKQB8AQO/ref=cm_pdp_content_listmania/203-7606506-5721503. (Inguz bass EQ'd) SB3 - (pre bypassed) Krell KAV-300i - PMC AB-1 (caps bass EQ'd) Desktop - Genius Slab SW-flat2.1 700 Sennheiser HD 25-1 II darrenyeats's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10799 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77725 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DAC Resolution Test and Don't EVER use Digital Volume Control
Imagine sitting a comfortable distance from your 50 1080HD TV screen. Imagine someone reduces the size of a picture from fullscreen to 1/128th the size - a 7 bit reduction of digital volume to a dithered 15x8 pixel image. Is the image noticeably more pixellated than with a fullscreen image? If you pushed your nose against the screen or if you blow up the 15x8 pixel image to the full 50 you will notice the distortion on the smaller image. That's irrelevant to this discussion. On a 50 TV the size of the picture is now less than half an inch diagonally! If you stay at your comfortable distance from the screen the smaller image will not suffer because of the lack of pixels because it's too small for you to see! If there were a way to render 150x80 pixels into this same postage stamp of screen area would you notice the difference? (If so, I suggest that means you can see pixellation on a fullscreen image from your sitting position.) I think this is a pretty good analogy for how a digi volume control works. Either you can perceive distortion in a 16 bit signal (at full volume or low volume) or you can't. Reducing digital volume doesn't change whether or not you can perceive digital distortion. If you can't notice digital distortion at 100% volume you won't notice at reduced volume either. If you can hear digital distortion at low digital volumes you should be able to perceive it at 100% volume too - and that has nothing to do with digital volume control. The big assumption here is comfortable distance from screen which is the equivalent of setting up your analogue attenuation right. Not optional, absolutely essential. Darren -- darrenyeats http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/richpub/listmania/byauthor/A3H57URKQB8AQO/ref=cm_pdp_content_listmania/203-7606506-5721503. (Inguz bass EQ'd) SB3 - (pre bypassed) Krell KAV-300i - PMC AB-1 (caps bass EQ'd) Desktop - Genius Slab SW-flat2.1 700 Sennheiser HD 25-1 II darrenyeats's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10799 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77725 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DAC Resolution Test and Don't EVER use Digital Volume Control
Phil Leigh;541860 Wrote: You are also missing the point about human hearing vs what systems can actually do in terms of dynamic range. There are very few hi-fi systems that can generate 120dB of clean sound. Even so, the human ear cannot actually hear 0dB and 120dB AT THE SAME TIME (especially if the ambient noise level is at a realistic 50dB). Who says I have to listen to 0 and 120dB at the same time to enjoy 120dB of dynamic range? Doesn't your music get loud and soft. Mine certainly does. Even in the same song. Or movie for that matter. So yeah when it's loud and busy I won't hear missing low bits. But when it's soft with a lot of detail I will. -- mswlogo XP Cat5 Transporter/DuetController SPDIF Meridian G68 DSP6000, DSP5500HC, DSP5000 XP Cat5 SB3 SPDIF Meridian DSP5000 XP Cat5 DuetReceiver SPDIF Meridian G91 DSP5000 'My Transporter Setup' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=350741postcount=45) 'Hitch Hikers Guide to Meridian' (http://www.meridianunplugged.com) mswlogo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9090 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77725 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DAC Resolution Test and Don't EVER use Digital Volume Control
mswlogo;541941 Wrote: Who says I have to listen to 0 and 120dB at the same time to enjoy 120dB of dynamic range? Doesn't your music get loud and soft. Mine certainly does. Even in the same song. Or movie for that matter. So yeah when it's loud and busy I won't hear missing low bits. But when it's soft with a lot of detail I will. And yes when it goes loud and soft your ears kick in AGC. You're discussing the limits of digital reproduction, not digital volume control. As I showed with my analogy if CD's 96db of dynamic range is not enough for you then it isn't enough - digital volume control isn't the problem here. -- darrenyeats http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/richpub/listmania/byauthor/A3H57URKQB8AQO/ref=cm_pdp_content_listmania/203-7606506-5721503. (Inguz bass EQ'd) SB3 - (pre bypassed) Krell KAV-300i - PMC AB-1 (caps bass EQ'd) Desktop - Genius Slab SW-flat2.1 700 Sennheiser HD 25-1 II darrenyeats's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10799 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77725 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter Display problems
Phil Leigh;541859 Wrote: AFAIK it is the expensive VFD displays that are the issue for the TP, SB3 etc. If the manufacturers are no longer making them, there is little to be done. I thought it was a reasonably prudent manufacturing practice to retain a certain percentage of the parts stock for repairs. There are a lot of reasons that things break and need service. Given that Transporters are still being sold new it strikes me odd no parts would be available even if they are just running out existing product and going to discontinue the line when done. That's a pretty pricey product to treat as a throw-away! -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77638 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DAC Resolution Test and Don't EVER use Digital Volume Control
cliveb;541971 Wrote: Darren: you, Phil I are flogging a dead horse. mswlogo is either a troll or his mistaken beliefs are so deep rooted as to be unshiftable. All we can do is present the facts here in the hope that others will understand. It seems most in this thread do understand and do hear differences when they use digital attenuation. If you don't understand or hear a difference then all I can say is enjoy. -- mswlogo XP Cat5 Transporter/DuetController SPDIF Meridian G68 DSP6000, DSP5500HC, DSP5000 XP Cat5 SB3 SPDIF Meridian DSP5000 XP Cat5 DuetReceiver SPDIF Meridian G91 DSP5000 'My Transporter Setup' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=350741postcount=45) 'Hitch Hikers Guide to Meridian' (http://www.meridianunplugged.com) mswlogo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9090 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77725 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DAC Resolution Test and Don't EVER use Digital Volume Control
darrenyeats;541951 Wrote: You're discussing the limits of digital reproduction, not digital volume control. As I showed with my analogy if CD's 96db of dynamic range is not enough for you then it isn't enough - digital volume control isn't the actual problem. Limits of digital reproduction and digital volume ARE related !!! I like your using the TV for an analogy but unfortunately it's completely wrong. -- mswlogo XP Cat5 Transporter/DuetController SPDIF Meridian G68 DSP6000, DSP5500HC, DSP5000 XP Cat5 SB3 SPDIF Meridian DSP5000 XP Cat5 DuetReceiver SPDIF Meridian G91 DSP5000 'My Transporter Setup' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=350741postcount=45) 'Hitch Hikers Guide to Meridian' (http://www.meridianunplugged.com) mswlogo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9090 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77725 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DAC Resolution Test and Don't EVER use Digital Volume Control
mswlogo;541993 Wrote: Limits of digital reproduction and digital volume ARE related !!! I like your using the TV for an analogy but unfortunately it's completely wrong. It's interesting to watch the back and forth in discussions like this. However, the reality is that digital volume control is probably already permanently embedded in the vast majority of all recordings of the past 20 years, including classical. At some point, an issue like this can turn a person into Don Quixote. ;-) -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77725 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Squeezebox Duet and Beresford Caiman DAC
Hi Gazjam Thanks for that - very interesting and helpful. The only thing that puts me off the Touch is losing the Duet's remote, I guess I could control the Touch with the Duet remote but that then becomes an expensive player! Dave -- dogsnadgers dogsnadgers's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34782 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78036 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DAC Resolution Test and Don't EVER use Digital Volume Control
mlsstl;542006 Wrote: It's interesting to watch the back and forth in discussions like this. However, the reality is that digital volume control is probably already permanently embedded in the vast majority of all recordings of the past 20 years, including classical. At some point, an issue like this can turn a person into Don Quixote. ;-)Agreed, what else can be said that hasn't been said already. -- audiomuze 'Cable break-in is real, and occurs between the ears of the listener - nowhere else (most certainly not in the cable).' (http://sound.westhost.com/cables.htm) '*last.fm*' (http://www.last.fm/user/audiomuze) audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77725 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DAC Resolution Test and Don't EVER use Digital Volume Control
mlsstl;542006 Wrote: It's interesting to watch the back and forth in discussions like this. However, the reality is that digital volume control is probably already permanently embedded in the vast majority of all recordings of the past 20 years, including classical. At some point, an issue like this can turn a person into Don Quixote. ;-) This is so true. Does anyone really think engineers/producers sit there in studios, staring at banks of digital faders (real or virtual or both) and think hmmm, better not touch any of those in case the sound falls apart.. No they don't. They mix/master the tracks! Clive is right, this thing is so silly. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77725 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Squeezebox Duet and Beresford Caiman DAC
slate;541440 Wrote: Cables are a seperate purchase Stupid question (I'm not versed in technicalities): do I need one digital coax, or two (left and right), for connecting from Squeezebox Duet into Caiman? -- magiccarpetride magiccarpetride's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37863 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78036 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Squeezebox Duet and Beresford Caiman DAC
On 30/04/10 18:14, magiccarpetride wrote: slate;541440 Wrote: Cables are a seperate purchase Stupid question (I'm not versed in technicalities): do I need one digital coax, or two (left and right), for connecting from Squeezebox Duet into Caiman? One. R. ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Squeezebox Duet and Beresford Caiman DAC
Just the one! -- dogsnadgers dogsnadgers's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34782 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78036 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter Display problems
mlsstl;541988 Wrote: I thought it was a reasonably prudent manufacturing practice to retain a certain percentage of the parts stock for repairs. There are a lot of reasons that things break and need service. Given that Transporters are still being sold new it strikes me odd no parts would be available even if they are just running out existing product and going to discontinue the line when done. That's a pretty pricey product to treat as a throw-away! I don't disagree and if a mainstream manfacturer (Linn, Naim, Quad, Krell etc etc) was still selling a product that couldn't be repaired and didn't provide a 2 year replacement or repair warranty that could be fulfilled in reality there would be hell to pay... My guess is that they have (what they estimate to be) enough spares to meet warranty commitments...but that means they can't spare any for out-of-warranty repairs. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77638 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter Display problems
mlsstl wrote: That's a pretty pricey product to treat as a throw-away! While the display is nice, having a broken display is no reason to throw away a Transporter. I rarely pay any attention to the displays on mine. Of course, if you really want a display, the one from a salvaged SB1/g, SB2 or SB3/Classic will work fine. Or, one could buy a couple of Touch units, and use the displays from them in the TP housing. Its huge and mostly empty. This is a trend not just for the TP, but for nearly all stuff with non-trivial electronics, and that includes any car made this century. Years ago, I could rebuild the four-barrel carb on my Pontiac 389 V8, as well as nearly anything else on the car. With modern fuel injection and mixture and spark advance systems, they are considered black boxes that are replaced. Even TVs have become like toasters, use and throw away. -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter Display problems
Phil Leigh;542038 Wrote: My guess is that they have (what they estimate to be) enough spares to meet warranty commitments...but that means they can't spare any for out-of-warranty repairs. Makes me glad I didn't stick with the Transporter when I did the trial evaluation three years ago. This weekend I have to replace the failed hard drive on a nine year old Dell PC. (Don't laugh - it's one of three at home and for what it's used, it is as fast and stable as the one year old machine I use at work.) Kinda sad that the Transporter's repairability can be upstaged by an old Dell -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77638 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter Display problems
pfarrell;542043 Wrote: mlsstl wrote: That's a pretty pricey product to treat as a throw-away! While the display is nice, having a broken display is no reason to throw away a Transporter. I rarely pay any attention to the displays on mine. Of course, if you really want a display, the one from a salvaged SB1/g, SB2 or SB3/Classic will work fine. Or, one could buy a couple of Touch units, and use the displays from them in the TP housing. Its huge and mostly empty. This is a trend not just for the TP, but for nearly all stuff with non-trivial electronics, and that includes any car made this century. Years ago, I could rebuild the four-barrel carb on my Pontiac 389 V8, as well as nearly anything else on the car. With modern fuel injection and mixture and spark advance systems, they are considered black boxes that are replaced. Even TVs have become like toasters, use and throw away. I understand the Transporter still works without a display, but most people who buy high-end audio items also value the appearance, just like auto enthusiasts who work as hard on their car's cosmetics as they do performance. I understand that one can cabbage parts from other SB models. The question is whether that's appropriate one month out of warranty. And as for using a Touch screen in the Transporter cabinet, who wants their $2,000 high-end toy looking like it was a jerry-rigged entry in a You might be a redneck... contest? As for the carburetor on your Pontiac, I bet you can still get it rebuilt. For me, I don't have a Transporter, so I think I'll cease worrying about how to fix what I don't own. ;-) -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77638 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter Display problems
mlsstl;542044 Wrote: Makes me glad I didn't stick with the Transporter when I did the trial evaluation three years ago. This weekend I have to replace the failed hard drive on a nine year old Dell PC. (Don't laugh - it's one of three at home and for what it's used, it is as fast and stable as the one year old machine I use at work.) Kinda sad that the Transporter's repairability can be upstaged by an old Dell Not laughing - but it's a very unfair comparison. PC's are made from modular, pluggable, generic components (excluding laptops - which certainly are in a similar boat to the TP). The TP is mostly made from bespoke devices, apart from the wi-fi card and some of the components on the mainboard. Pat is right, the world has changed (not for the better IMO) in the last 40 years in this respect. It's the price we pay for cheap(er) to buy - expensive or impossible to fix. If you want Linn/Naim/Quad/etc long term support you really DO have to pay for it. I made my decision 20+ years ago and so far it has worked out. However, I know if my pre-amp died I would probably have trouble getting it fixed... and a replacement would be £7k :-( -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77638 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter Display problems
mlsstl wrote: I understand that one can cabbage parts from other SB models. The question is whether that's appropriate one month out of warranty. And as for using a Touch screen in the Transporter cabinet, who wants their $2,000 high-end toy looking like it was a jerry-rigged entry in a You might be a redneck... contest? For the prices one has to pay for (to buy and to fix) other high end audiophile stuff, there is no reason for a Touch's screen to not look perfect. Its about the same size. As for the carburetor on your Pontiac, I bet you can still get it rebuilt. I'm sure that it can be for a price. But what you can't do today that you could when I had it, was go into any local autoparts store and buy not only all the parts, but all the other needed stuff, like the evil carb cleaner fluid. For one, there are far fewer autoparts stores. More importantly, the local autoparts store no longer carries such parts. Back in the day, everyone had to rebuild carbs, now only a few specialists know what a carb looks like. For me, I don't have a Transporter, so I think I'll cease worrying about how to fix what I don't own. ;-) Seems a bit weird that you were so concerned, while the TP is still for sale, its no longer a $2000 product and its not getting any press. Even audiophiles like their tail fins. -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DAC Resolution Test and Don't EVER use Digital Volume Control
It's true that the studio productions are so pristine for the vast majority of the records produced... :D -- Themis SBT - North Star dac 192 - Croft 25Pre and Series 7 power - Sonus Faber Grand Piano Domus Themis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14700 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77725 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter Display problems
pfarrell;542057 Wrote: Seems a bit weird that you were so concerned, while the TP is still for sale, its no longer a $2000 product and its not getting any press. Sorry, I was under the impression that this was an open discussion. Didn't mean to intrude. ;-) Seriously, in these forums I see lots of people with lots of opinions about lots of things posting their thoughts when they have only an indirect interest in the issue. My indirect interest is as a Squeezebox owner for almost a decade. The way Logitech has handle a few things the past year has been a disappointment. No doubt they have what they feel are good business reasons for doing what they do, but that doesn't mean I need to be a fanboy for every move they make. Hence, I post my observations on various matters from time to time, just as you have. Hope my two cents wasn't too burdensome! -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77638 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter Display problems
mlsstl wrote: pfarrell;542057 Wrote: Seems a bit weird that you were so concerned, while the TP is still for sale, its no longer a $2000 product and its not getting any press. Seriously, in these forums I see lots of people with lots of opinions about lots of things posting their thoughts when they have only an indirect interest in the issue. Yes, but your grounding and standing is pretty weak since you don't have a unit and aren't looking to buy one. I might complain that a Ferrari gets crappy gas mileage, but folks in the market for one won't see things the way I do. My indirect interest is as a Squeezebox owner for almost a decade. The way Logitech has handle a few things the past year has been a disappointment. No doubt they have what they feel are good business reasons for doing what they do, but that doesn't mean I need to be a fanboy for every move they make. The people who designed the Transporter left the company. The new company has a different culture, different priorities. Perhaps they will be interested in an niche audiophile product, but I expect not. It was more of a an engineering exercise by a few talented folks, as are nearly all audiophile products. Nearly all audiophile products are made by companies with under $5 million in sales, and often they are under $1 million. I don't know of any high-end brands that are multi-national, even the well known ones, like Meridian, or Wilson Speakers, are tiny in the normal world of commerce. I expect that today, I would not buy another Transporter if mine goes belly up. I never use the fancy knob, and the dual displays are just fun eyecandy. Its sure not worth $1700 more than a Touch to me. I'd rather have two or three Touch units. But back when the Transporter came out, there was nothing like it. And it still sounds pretty darn good. -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DAC Resolution Test and Don't EVER use Digital Volume Control
Phil Leigh;542026 Wrote: This is so true. Does anyone really think engineers/producers sit there in studios, staring at banks of digital faders (real or virtual or both) and think hmmm, better not touch any of those in case the sound falls apart.. No they don't. They mix/master the tracks! Clive is right, this thing is so silly. Your damn right they do. Or the software/hardware they use does a lot for them. The Meridian 518 was an early device used by mixers to dial the gain in among other things. I've looked at a bunch of CD's with Audacity and the pristine ones always take full advantage of all the dynamic range and have just an itty bit of clipping. Good CD's never throw bits away. Where poorly mixed CD's are over attenuated (to much headroom 6,9,12dB). They don't sound bad but those are never the great sounding ones. And other poor ones are of course the way over compressed ones and not taking advantage of the lower bits. In fact here is the Meridian 518 Manual that discusses this very topic. http://www.meridian-audio.info/public/518user[120].pdf See page 19. The 518 allows you to tweak the Digital Gain (of each Piece [an album]) to Maximize the performance of your DAC (NOT for LOUDNESS, sorry if you don't get that, if you don't, stop reading and move on). That's why they call it Secondary Gain. The system also has a Primary Gain which is ANALOG. We are talking SMALL digital changes here to optimize performance. Not -20dB which would totally butcher things. You'd typically use a 518 to boost an album to Full Scale (what they refer to as Full Digital Code). If anything you'd want to go ABOVE 0 on the Transporter if an album is not mixed full scale. That's basically what a 518 does. You'd never want to attenuate unless you doing some sort of mixing. But what does Meridian know about digital stuff. -- mswlogo XP Cat5 Transporter/DuetController SPDIF Meridian G68 DSP6000, DSP5500HC, DSP5000 XP Cat5 SB3 SPDIF Meridian DSP5000 XP Cat5 DuetReceiver SPDIF Meridian G91 DSP5000 'My Transporter Setup' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=350741postcount=45) 'Hitch Hikers Guide to Meridian' (http://www.meridianunplugged.com) mswlogo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9090 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77725 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter Display problems
pfarrell;542071 Wrote: Yes, but your grounding and standing is pretty weak since you don't have a unit and aren't looking to buy one. I didn't know they were interviewing candidates for the position of forum cop. Guess I need to watch my step from here on out and keep my opinions to myself -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77638 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter Display problems
mlsstl wrote: I didn't know they were interviewing candidates for the position of forum cop. Guess I need to watch my step from here on out and keep my opinions to myself 0/10 -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DAC Resolution Test and Don't EVER use Digital Volume Control
mswlogo;541993 Wrote: Limits of digital reproduction and digital volume ARE related !!! What I meant was that the discussion of 16 bits versus 20 bits is one thing but it's separate to digital volume control. Once you've settled on a number of bits you're happy with (let's say for you 20 bits, for me 16 bits) then digital volume should be fine if you've got your gain staging right. mswlogo;541993 Wrote: I like your using the TV for an analogy but unfortunately it's completely wrong. You exaggerate, surely. Themis;542061 Wrote: It's true that the studio productions are so pristine for the vast majority of the records produced... :D LOL. But really there is no other way to perform a fade-out given a digital track. The biggest problem with most recordings is dynamic compression. But I know you know this Themis! Tee hee. Darren -- darrenyeats http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/richpub/listmania/byauthor/A3H57URKQB8AQO/ref=cm_pdp_content_listmania/203-7606506-5721503. (Inguz bass EQ'd) SB3 - (pre bypassed) Krell KAV-300i - PMC AB-1 (caps bass EQ'd) Desktop - Genius Slab SW-flat2.1 700 Sennheiser HD 25-1 II darrenyeats's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10799 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77725 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DAC Resolution Test and Don't EVER use Digital Volume Control
On 30/04/10 20:28, mswlogo wrote: ... the pristine ones always take full advantage of all the dynamic range and have just an itty bit of clipping. So, you think that the best sounding CDs have digital clipping??? I think that speaks volumes. R. ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DAC Resolution Test and Don't EVER use Digital Volume Control
Robin Bowes;542127 Wrote: On 30/04/10 20:28, mswlogo wrote: ... the pristine ones always take full advantage of all the dynamic range and have just an itty bit of clipping. So, you think that the best sounding CDs have digital clipping??? I think that speaks volumes. R. Absolutely. If you don't understand that it does speak volumes. -- mswlogo XP Cat5 Transporter/DuetController SPDIF Meridian G68 DSP6000, DSP5500HC, DSP5000 XP Cat5 SB3 SPDIF Meridian DSP5000 XP Cat5 DuetReceiver SPDIF Meridian G91 DSP5000 'My Transporter Setup' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=350741postcount=45) 'Hitch Hikers Guide to Meridian' (http://www.meridianunplugged.com) mswlogo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9090 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77725 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DAC Resolution Test and Don't EVER use Digital Volume Control
On 01/05/10 02:11, mswlogo wrote: Robin Bowes;542127 Wrote: On 30/04/10 20:28, mswlogo wrote: ... the pristine ones always take full advantage of all the dynamic range and have just an itty bit of clipping. So, you think that the best sounding CDs have digital clipping??? I think that speaks volumes. R. Absolutely. If you don't understand that it does speak volumes. ... or you're possibly using the term incorrectly. Would you care to elucidate further what you mean by just an itty bit of clipping? R. ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter struggling with high bitrate flac files
Wondering about these high bit rate files... I have regularly encoded 24/96, 24/192 files with flac -8. Never ran into any problems. This is with TP connected thru Ethernet served off a lowly 1.6GHz Atom machine. Is it an issue with wireless network??? Sent from my Nexus One using Tapatalk -- Archimago Archimago's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2207 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77641 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter struggling with high bitrate flac files
On 01/05/10 02:20, Archimago wrote: Wondering about these high bit rate files... I have regularly encoded 24/96, 24/192 files with flac -8. Never ran into any problems. This is with TP connected thru Ethernet served off a lowly 1.6GHz Atom machine. Is it an issue with wireless network??? Well, the thing is, it plays the transcoded wav just fine and that's a higher bitrate than the native flac. Also, I've re-flac'd the files using flac -5 and they work OK. R. ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DAC Resolution Test and Don't EVER use Digital Volume Control
Robin Bowes;542141 Wrote: On 01/05/10 02:11, mswlogo wrote: Robin Bowes;542127 Wrote: On 30/04/10 20:28, mswlogo wrote: ... the pristine ones always take full advantage of all the dynamic range and have just an itty bit of clipping. So, you think that the best sounding CDs have digital clipping??? I think that speaks volumes. R. Absolutely. If you don't understand that it does speak volumes. or you're possibly using the term incorrectly. Would you care to elucidate further what you mean by just an itty bit of clipping? R. Sorry I don't have much time right now. But exactlty that. An itty bit (say 10 samples by 1dB is sign a meticulous mixing job. If I see 3db or 6db of headroom for no reason that's just lazy. Does a song have to have a be clipping to be a good mix no. But most do. It's better to clip the fringes than to compress or attentuate just avoid clipping a few samples. Let say you frame pictures and you want what ever it was centered. But there was twig on the edge that would get clipped if you centered it. Is it better to be off center (your goal) or clip the twig? Or even worse put an over sized frame and pad the whole picture with a white border except where the twig protrudes? -- mswlogo XP Cat5 Transporter/DuetController SPDIF Meridian G68 DSP6000, DSP5500HC, DSP5000 XP Cat5 SB3 SPDIF Meridian DSP5000 XP Cat5 DuetReceiver SPDIF Meridian G91 DSP5000 'My Transporter Setup' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=350741postcount=45) 'Hitch Hikers Guide to Meridian' (http://www.meridianunplugged.com) mswlogo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9090 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77725 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DAC Resolution Test and Don't EVER use Digital Volume Control
On 01/05/10 03:02, mswlogo wrote: Robin Bowes;542141 Wrote: On 01/05/10 02:11, mswlogo wrote: Robin Bowes;542127 Wrote: On 30/04/10 20:28, mswlogo wrote: ... the pristine ones always take full advantage of all the dynamic range and have just an itty bit of clipping. So, you think that the best sounding CDs have digital clipping??? I think that speaks volumes. R. Absolutely. If you don't understand that it does speak volumes. or you're possibly using the term incorrectly. Would you care to elucidate further what you mean by just an itty bit of clipping? R. Sorry I don't have much time right now. But exactlty that. An itty bit (say 10 samples by 1dB is sign a meticulous mixing job. If I see 3db or 6db of headroom for no reason that's just lazy. Does a song have to have a be clipping to be a good mix no. But most do. It's better to clip the fringes than to compress or attentuate just avoid clipping a few samples. You have just spent rather a long time doing some bizarre test which advises folk never to use digital attenuation because of the damage it causes to the signal, and now you're suggesting that cutting off whole samples by 1dB is fine??? This is truly priceless!! You really have no understanding of either analogue or digital audio engineering, do you? R. ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter struggling with high bitrate flac files
192kHz is transcoded to 96k for a TP or Touch . WAV is by default transcoded to FLAC. But the transcoding uses FLAC -0 to save cpu. So naturally you never hit this bug -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J and assorted amps SiriuS, Classe'Primare and Dynadio speakers (including a pair of Contour 4 ) Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Miscellaneous use: Radio (with battery) I use a Controller various ir-remotes and a Eee-PC with squeezeplay to control this Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77641 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DAC Resolution Test and Don't EVER use Digital Volume Control
Robin Bowes;542150 Wrote: On 01/05/10 03:02, mswlogo wrote: Robin Bowes;542141 Wrote: On 01/05/10 02:11, mswlogo wrote: Robin Bowes;542127 Wrote: On 30/04/10 20:28, mswlogo wrote: ... the pristine ones always take full advantage of all the dynamic range and have just an itty bit of clipping. So, you think that the best sounding CDs have digital clipping??? I think that speaks volumes. R. Absolutely. If you don't understand that it does speak volumes. or you're possibly using the term incorrectly. Would you care to elucidate further what you mean by just an itty bit of clipping? R. Sorry I don't have much time right now. But exactlty that. An itty bit (say 10 samples by 1dB is sign a meticulous mixing job. If I see 3db or 6db of headroom for no reason that's just lazy. Does a song have to have a be clipping to be a good mix no. But most do. It's better to clip the fringes than to compress or attentuate just avoid clipping a few samples. You have just spent rather a long time doing some bizarre test which advises folk never to use digital attenuation because of the damage it causes to the signal, and now you're suggesting that cutting off whole samples by 1dB is fine??? This is truly priceless!! You really have no understanding of either analogue or digital audio engineering, do you? R. I work with analog and digital signals at data rates that would make your head spin. Replies like yours are priceless. I'm sorry that the clipping I'm referring to is beyond your grasp. -- mswlogo XP Cat5 Transporter/DuetController SPDIF Meridian G68 DSP6000, DSP5500HC, DSP5000 XP Cat5 SB3 SPDIF Meridian DSP5000 XP Cat5 DuetReceiver SPDIF Meridian G91 DSP5000 'My Transporter Setup' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=350741postcount=45) 'Hitch Hikers Guide to Meridian' (http://www.meridianunplugged.com) mswlogo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9090 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77725 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DAC Resolution Test and Don't EVER use Digital Volume Control
mswlogo wrote: I work with analog and digital signals at data rates that would make your head spin. Specifics please? Replies like yours are priceless. I'm sorry that the clipping I'm referring to is beyond your grasp. 1/10 -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DAC Resolution Test and Don't EVER use Digital Volume Control
pfarrell;542158 Wrote: mswlogo wrote: I work with analog and digital signals at data rates that would make your head spin. Specifics please? Replies like yours are priceless. I'm sorry that the clipping I'm referring to is beyond your grasp. 1/10 -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ I write software for Mass Spectrometers. We sample at 4Ghz. We determine the speed at which IONS fly through a vaccum in order to determine their Mass. We have dozens of DACs and ADCs and I understand them quite well. We oversample from 2 - 2 million times. The we use an ADC that cost around $23K each (that's discounted in volume). I also have written a childrens programming language and digital simulator I publish for free and used in many schools and colleges. Hence the name mswlogo. I also run the Meridian forum for 10 years. And have invested about $40K in Meridian audio. And I want every ounce of performance out of it. Is that specific enough for you? Do you need my full resume? I would provide you some real examples with wave forms to explain how this works but you folks are so close minded I think I'd be wasting my time. I gave a fairly good example. Here it is again slightly changed. Think of a photo that is 24 x 24 inches. But your frame is 16x16. Where is the best place to place the frame? The important content is in the middle !! Do you place it on the upper right corner? So you won't Clip the upper right. Oh my that would be terrible to clip white sky with a tiny bug in it you can't see from 2 feet away. Let the bug clip so you can get some nice grass on the bottom. It adds to the WHOLE picture. You place it some where in the middle. You could compress the photo to fit but that has problems too. But a little compression is ok. It's a balance !!! Don't ignore the bottom (even if it's low level). Don't be parnoid about the top either (if it does not persist long enough you won't hear it). And don't F'k with the frame once it's been placed by a good framer. -- mswlogo XP Cat5 Transporter/DuetController SPDIF Meridian G68 DSP6000, DSP5500HC, DSP5000 XP Cat5 SB3 SPDIF Meridian DSP5000 XP Cat5 DuetReceiver SPDIF Meridian G91 DSP5000 'My Transporter Setup' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=350741postcount=45) 'Hitch Hikers Guide to Meridian' (http://www.meridianunplugged.com) mswlogo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9090 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77725 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DAC Resolution Test and Don't EVER use Digital Volume Control
mswlogo wrote: We determine the speed at which IONS fly through a vaccum in order to determine their Mass. I did that in high school physics class, over 40 years ago. You are still a troll, and your score is no higher than 1/10 on the SeanTrollScale -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DAC Resolution Test and Don't EVER use Digital Volume Control
pfarrell;542164 Wrote: mswlogo wrote: We determine the speed at which IONS fly through a vaccum in order to determine their Mass. I did that in high school physics class, over 40 years ago. You are still a troll, and your score is no higher than 1/10 on the SeanTrollScale -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ It's such a shame folks like you allowed trash a discussion like this. Talk about being a troll. -- mswlogo XP Cat5 Transporter/DuetController SPDIF Meridian G68 DSP6000, DSP5500HC, DSP5000 XP Cat5 SB3 SPDIF Meridian DSP5000 XP Cat5 DuetReceiver SPDIF Meridian G91 DSP5000 'My Transporter Setup' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=350741postcount=45) 'Hitch Hikers Guide to Meridian' (http://www.meridianunplugged.com) mswlogo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9090 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77725 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DAC Resolution Test and Don't EVER use Digital Volume Control
pfarrell;542164 Wrote: mswlogo wrote: We determine the speed at which IONS fly through a vaccum in order to determine their Mass. I did that in high school physics class, over 40 years ago. You are still a troll, and your score is no higher than 1/10 on the SeanTrollScale -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ It's such a shame folks like you allowed trash a discussion like this. Talk about being a troll. -- mswlogo XP Cat5 Transporter/DuetController SPDIF Meridian G68 DSP6000, DSP5500HC, DSP5000 XP Cat5 SB3 SPDIF Meridian DSP5000 XP Cat5 DuetReceiver SPDIF Meridian G91 DSP5000 'My Transporter Setup' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=350741postcount=45) 'Hitch Hikers Guide to Meridian' (http://www.meridianunplugged.com) mswlogo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9090 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77725 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
