Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] S-Booster

2010-08-31 Thread seanadams

JohnSwenson;573339 Wrote: 
 
 
 The switching supply that comes with the SB3 is abysmal. It emits large
 amounts of EMI and sends copious amounts back into the AC mains. Both
 the emitted and AC born noise can wreak havoc with stereo systems.
 There is some that does make it into the SB and this can cause issues
 in the box, but most of what you hear is this extra junk getting into
 your system. 
 
 Pretty much ANYTHING is better than this. 

At least two different power supplies shipped with SB3 over the years.
The newer ones are way better. To which are you referring? The Unifive
ones were barely FCC compliant, but the Logitech branded ones were
vastly quieter.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Touch: Upsampling with sox?

2010-08-31 Thread soundcheck

Hi guys.

For now I gave up on doing SRC on wav and pcm. 
I also tried flac pcm + SRC.  
Non of them I managed to get working so far.

Meanwhile I have converted my entire collection to flac.

This led to below working solution:

This is an adaptation from here:
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=471468postcount=24

/etc/squeezeboxserver/custom-convert.conf

Code:


  flc flc * *
# FT:{START=--skip=%t}U:{END=--until=%v}
[flac] -dc --totally-silent $START$ $END$ -- $FILE$ | [sox] -D -q -t 
wav - -t flac -C0 -b24 - rate -v -s -M -a 88200
  
  flc flc transcode *
# FT:{START=--skip=%t}U:{END=--until=%v}
[flac] -dc --totally-silent $START$ $END$ -- $FILE$ | [sox] -D -q -t 
wav - -t flac -C0 -b24 - rate -v -s -M -a 88200
  




As you can see I transform 44.1 into 88.2, which is preferable over
44.1/96 and I also changed some of the SRC options.



There is no need to do volume control here since we go from 16 to
24bits.

Dither is also turned off.


Check it out!


Would be nice if separate passthrough rules for 88.2 an 96 material
could be configured. Does anybody have any ideas how to do that?


Enjoy.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Touch: Upsampling with sox?

2010-08-31 Thread michael123

1) You do need a volume control since otherwise the upsampling will clip
some samples (on certain tracks).

2) Did you try polyphase filter from previous sox release?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best 24/96 demo tracks?

2010-08-31 Thread R Johnson

iPhone;573319 Wrote: 
 ... Classical and Jazz one has a much better chance. And even a bigger
 chance if the 44/16 and 96/24 are not of the same master and the 96/24
 is really well engineered. IMO, that is where 96/24 shines. ...
I have the same sort of questions as the original poster. My interest
is classical music.  

I would argue that we should compare the SAME master recording - its
original high-res version, say at 24/88.2, versus the 16/44.1 CD
version.  Much like a SACD versus a CD.  I attempted to do this with a
recent Chicago Symphony recording, but ran into the interesting
question of whether the HD track was REALLY HD. See
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74688 (a rather large
thread)... 

I'm still looking for classical comparison samples.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What outboard DAC do you use with Squeezebox?

2010-08-31 Thread sxr71

Henry66;561879 Wrote: 
 How do you like your Nova and have you compared the Nova's DAC to your
 Squeezebox's DAC?
 What speakers are you driving with the Nova?

Sorry I didn't see your question until now. I'm driving Genelec HT208s.
I haven't really made the comparison but I'm happy with how it sounds.
Just got a PS Audio Perfect Wave DAC.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best 24/96 demo tracks?

2010-08-31 Thread ncarver

Yes--I am looking for specific tracks/recordings where the poster found
the hi-res encoding sounded better than the CD-quality encoding.  The
encodings/files would have to have originated from the same hi-res
master or what would be the point?  I have lots of CDs that have been
remastered multiple times and they all sound different.

The point of what I was asking was to try to find out whether on my
system I can actually discern a difference when the only difference in
the files is the bit depth and the sampling rate.  Just listening to
some hi-res tracks that sound great says nothing, as many CD-quality
sources also sound great.  Thus, what I want are a few -specific
recordings/tracks- (that originated from a hi-res master) that are
available as both 24/96 (or 96/24 if you prefer) and 16/44 encoded FLAC
files.  I had assumed that with all the previous discussion of hi-res
files here that several posters would be able to provide such examples.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best 24/96 demo tracks?

2010-08-31 Thread iPhone

ncarver;573420 Wrote: 
 Yes--I am looking for specific tracks/recordings where the poster found
 the hi-res encoding sounded better than the CD-quality encoding.  The
 encodings/files would have to have originated from the same hi-res
 master or what would be the point?  I have lots of CDs that have been
 remastered multiple times and they all sound different.
 
 I want to try to find out whether on my system I can actually discern a
 difference when the only difference in the files is the bit depth and
 the sampling rate.  Just listening to some hi-res tracks that sound
 great says nothing, as many CD-quality sources also sound great.  Thus,
 what I want are a few -specific recordings/tracks- (that originated from
 a hi-res master) that are available as both 24/96 (or 96/24 if you
 prefer) and 16/44 encoded FLAC files.  I had assumed that with all the
 previous discussion of hi-res files here that several posters would be
 able to provide such examples.

The point I was making was that some (not all) HiRes files are of
different or better engineered then the 44/16 red book which is the
real reason to get the 96/24 in my mind. I can tell you without any
reservation that it will sound better. This also translates to the
44/16 vs 96/24 which was the point I was trying to make but must have
made confusing.

It is my opinion that the better the master and its engineering is, the
better the higher resolution file is worth having. So I use two factor
in deciding to go 96/24, one is obvious in that the master for it is
better then the one used for the Red Book. The other is my believe that
if the recording was well engineered the 96/24 will show more of this
care and attention then its only down-sampled 44/16 Red Book brother.

So yes, find a Jazz Trio recording that is made from a master above
96/24 but available on both Red Book and 96/24. I have a fairly
revealing system and feel that 96/24 seems to have less defined
recording lines (limits in source material) and lets the music be
fuller and complete.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best 24/96 demo tracks?

2010-08-31 Thread R Johnson

Suppose the SAME recording is available for download at 16/44.1 and at
24/88.2 -- that is, a new recording produced at 24/88.2 and
down-sampled to 16/44.1 for a CD or a download. 

Question 1: Can I hear a difference?  Nature of difference?

Question 2: Assuming that the answer to #1 was Yes, is it worth extra
money for the 'HD' download?  How much money?

I'm simply looking for sample downloads to answer those questions.  I
want to compare  apple-HD to apple-CD not apple-HD to orange-CD.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best 24/96 demo tracks?

2010-08-31 Thread ncarver

iPhone;573423 Wrote: 
 The point I was making was that some (not all) HiRes files are of
 different or better engineered then the 44/16 red book which is the
 real reason to get the 96/24 in my mind. I can tell you without any
 reservation that it will sound better. This also translates to the
 44/16 vs 96/24 which was the point I was trying to make but must have
 made confusing.
 

OK--I understand now the point of your post (which I had felt did not
answer my question).  I am well aware that some companies make much
higher quality recordings and that these will generally be the
companies that make hi-res tracks available.  However these companies
also virtually always make CD-quality versions also available.  Like R
Johnson, what I want to try to find out is whether it is worth the
expense and hassle to buy the hi-res files (e.g., my Duet cannot play
them natively).

The hi-res tracks I have purchased so far sound excellent, but they are
from companies whose CD-quality tracks also sound excellent.  I have
only one such track in both CD-quality and hi-res, but a difference in
sound quality is not immediately obvious, though I have not yet had
time to do serious comparisons.  Would prefer not to have to buy lots
of tracks in both encodings looking for one that can reveal
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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] S-Booster

2010-08-31 Thread Phil Leigh

The UniFive ones were certainly not compatible with my AM radios...
The Logitech ones were fine in that respect.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best 24/96 demo tracks?

2010-08-31 Thread Phil Leigh

This is really easy - just visit the Linn download site - you can see
what the rez of the master is and you can choose to download hi +
normal rez versions.

http://www.linnrecords.com/linn-formats.aspx


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best 24/96 demo tracks?

2010-08-31 Thread R Johnson

Thanks Phil!

Looks they offer a nice sampler 
http://www.linnrecords.com/recording-the-super-audio-collection-volume-4.aspx


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best 24/96 demo tracks?

2010-08-31 Thread iPhone

So your real question was is it worth it not if one can hear a
difference?

That is a different question with a different answer. I say only if
your system can take advantage of the additional resolution. And if one
doesn't have a Touch or Transporter to play them in native 96/24, I am
of the opinion of why bother.

To me they are worth it if the master they are made from is well
engineered, a great recording, and not Rock IE Jazz or Classical. Again
better then having the Red Book 44/16 if ones system is up for it. If
one only has a Duet and a Boom, I say ripping Red Book CDs and buying
standard FLAC downloads is all one needs to buy.

And Phil has a great suggestion, I always seem to forget about Linn.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] S-Booster

2010-08-31 Thread iPhone

I chucked my Unifive PS because I thought it was defective (knowing what
I know now, might just have been very dirty) and replaced it with a
linear PS I built. All my other SB3s have Logitech PS.

I also don't see anything from the Switcher reaching the analog outs. I
used AudioDiffMaker to measure a baseline then compared it to using a
linear PS and even a battery. The linear PS graph is identical to the
OEM supply as is the Battery graph.

The Touch also has internal switchers so just eliminating the external
OEM PS isn't going to make much if any difference. Using a 5 VDC
battery as the main supply and using AudioDiffMaker, the analog outputs
are the same. If a battery being about as pure of a DC source as one can
get doesn't make a difference, no inline filter or linear PS is going to
make a Magical difference.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best 24/96 demo tracks?

2010-08-31 Thread R Johnson

iPhone;573433 Wrote: 
 So your real question was is it worth it not if one can hear a
 difference?
 
 That is a different question with a different answer. I say only if
 your system can take advantage of the additional resolution. And if one
 doesn't have a Touch or Transporter to play them in native 96/24, I am
 of the opinion of why bother. ... 

I DO have a Touch and look forward to listening to the Linn Sampler. 
The rest of my system may not be adequate to tell the difference, but I
can take the Touch to a friend's house and use his high-end system for
more revealing tests.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best 24/96 demo tracks?

2010-08-31 Thread Wombat

Don´t expect to much. Afaik these latest Linns are mixed that loud it
shouldn´t really matter if 24 or 16 bits. The kHz thingy may be a
different beast.
If you buy one please try to resample the one you think sounds best
with something like sox to 16/44.1 
And when you hear it like night and day you did something wong :)
There may be benefits but not to that degree marketing or silly forum
post try to suggest.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best 24/96 demo tracks?

2010-08-31 Thread R Johnson

I'm not expecting too much. Frankly I don't expect to be able to discern
much difference.  I was disappointed that a spectrum graph of the one
24/88.2 album that I bought had a sharp roll-off from 19 to 22 KHz.
(See the 24/192 Touch thread.)

The Linn folks provide lots of information and options.  I'm
downloading the 24/88.2 sampler now. I'll get their 16/44.1 version
too. For $10 plus $6, a very reasonably priced experiment.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best 24/96 demo tracks?

2010-08-31 Thread Wombat

Very interesting! You may run a Replaygain scan or try to evaluate the
loudness of the different versions. I bet the 24bit version is louder.
Of cause from a technical standpoint you can argue to prevent clipping.
While switching between both normaly the louder one is voted as better.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best 24/96 demo tracks?

2010-08-31 Thread ncarver

I realize I was unclear about the hassle factor.  I have a Touch being
run through an external DAC in the better system but also have a Duet
in the living room system.  So buying lots of tracks that won't play
natively on the Duet I would consider a bit of a hassle.

I appreciate the suggestion to try the Linn site, but again, any
specific tracks/recordings where people hear improvements from the
hi-res versions on their systems?  I am trying to avoid buying a large
group of recordings looking for differences.  Would like to start with
a few that other people have already found to be able to discern a
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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best 24/96 demo tracks?

2010-08-31 Thread R Johnson

A preliminary note on the Linn Sampler downloads. I've only investigated
some tracks. The FLAC file sizes are 260 vs 980 MB - the high resolution
being nearly 4 times as large as CD quality.

16/44.1 --- VLC plays those tracks nicely. But Audacity does not appear
to interpret the 16/44.1 download correctly. All tracks tested show
solid blue instead of the normal jagged amplitude graph.  VERY loud
noise if I try to play.  I just downloaded Audacity a few days ago so
maybe there's something I need to change...

24/88.2 -- VLC plays fine. Audacity accepts these files as expected. 
Some tracks show frequency well beyond 19 or 22KHz.  But after a smooth
decline, there's often a hump in the 30s that seems most peculiar.  Some
other tracks appear to be filtered to 44.1 sample rates.

Listening tests later...


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best 24/96 demo tracks?

2010-08-31 Thread R Johnson

ncarver;573460 Wrote: 
 ... I appreciate the suggestion to try the Linn site (and sampler), but
 again, any *specific tracks/recordings* where people hear improvements
 from the hi-res versions on their systems?  I am trying to avoid buying
 a large group of recordings looking for differences.  Would like to
 start with a few that other people have already found to be able to
 discern a difference.

After I spent a whole sixteen dollars and looked at each HD track with
Audacity's Plot Spectrum function, you want to know precisely which of
the 15 tracks you should download and listen to?  

Well that will take me a day or two. Assuming I can hear any
differences.  Maybe someone else will make suitable suggestions first. 
But I will tell you not to try tracks 6 and 7.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best 24/96 demo tracks?

2010-08-31 Thread R Johnson

I was browsing the Linn site for Studio Master classical downloads. 
Lots of choices! Though few well recognized names. 
I presume the pricing varies for different albums, but there were quite
a few priced at:

$24.00 for 24/88.2 or 24/96;
$13.00 for 16/44.1;
$11.00 for 320 Kbps 44.1 MP3.

If that's typical, an easy choice -- I'll stick with 16/44.1 ...


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best 24/96 demo tracks?

2010-08-31 Thread ncarver

R Johnson;573490 Wrote: 
 
 If that's typical, an easy choice -- I'll stick with 16/44.1 ...

Yes, there would have to be a significant sound difference, it would
have to be music I really cared about, and a great performance to pay
$28 for one album's worth of files.  That seems like rather a ripoff
given that it doesn't take Linn any more work to make hi-res vs.
CD-quality files.  The HDtracks difference in cost seems reasonable,
however.

I am still waiting to hear whether anyone here has actually heard a
difference between 44/16 and 96/24 with even one track that they can
actually name.  So far it looks like the answer could be no.  (I do
realize people don't check in every day, so I am simply waiting
patiently--and not buying any more hi-res tracks for a while).


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best 24/96 demo tracks?

2010-08-31 Thread R Johnson

While you are patiently waiting, try out the free 9 second test clips at
Linn. http://www.linnrecords.com/linn-downloads-testfiles.aspx  Excerpts
are taken from Cantata Tremori al braccio, RV 799 Recitativo: Ah nò, mia
cara Elvira track 7 from Vivaldi L'Amore per Elvira by La Serenissima.


I'll try to report tomorrow.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best 24/96 demo tracks?

2010-08-31 Thread mswlogo

R Johnson;573425 Wrote: 
 Suppose the SAME recording is available for download at 16/44.1 and at
 24/88.2 -- that is, a new recording produced at 24/88.2 and
 down-sampled to 16/44.1 for a CD or a download. 
 
 Question 1: Can I hear a difference?  Nature of difference?
 
 Question 2: Assuming that the answer to #1 was Yes, is it worth extra
 money for the 'HD' download?  How much money?
 
 I'm simply looking for sample downloads to answer those questions.  I
 want to compare  apple-HD to apple-CD not apple-HD to orange-CD.

You can test it yourself with any 24/96 recording. Just use dbpoweramp
to mix it down to 16/44 and compare it.

I can't tell the difference with my system.

Because 0dB is 0dB in 16bit or 24bit the Mixing job isn't that
different between 24/96 and 16/44. Since the top 96db (top 16bits) is
what is most critical and pretty much all what you can hear.

There is a little more room for slop with 24bit in that if it's mixed a
little too low digitally you can bring it up. Where on 16bit it's gone.

Here is a web site with some free Hi-Res stuff to play with.

http://www.2l.no/hires/index.html


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