Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BE DEQ2496Transporter connection

2010-11-12 Thread michael123

Robin Bowes;588327 Wrote: 
 On 09/11/10 22:15, tomjtx wrote:
 
  I have a fairly good condenser mike that I use for classical guitar
  gigs. The sound q seems good so I thought I would try that 1st. It
 was
  about 100.00 on sale. I have a friend who is a recording engineer
 who
  has some expensive mikes he has offered to bring by.
 
 You need a calibrated mic, ie. one whose response characteristics are
 known so the DEQ can adjust for it.
 
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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter vs Cambridge DacMagic

2010-11-12 Thread HeadBanger

Hi earwaxer9.  When converting 16/48 to 24/96 what do you think sounds
better #8211; can you describe please? What is an audiophile grade
fuse? Do you have audiophile mains cable in your house too or do you
not need it if you have an audiophile power cable and fuse? What
difference to your sound did these make?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Boom headphone out quality?

2010-11-12 Thread Soulkeeper

ncarver;587826 Wrote: 
 I understand that Boom would not be audiophile quality sound.  Not
 looking for that while I cycle.  Just looking for something a bit
 better than the iPod.  Also want something fairly portable and compact,
 so do not want to deal with the mess of a Touch plus a headphone amp,
 etc.

As I write this, I'm listening to my Squeezebox Radio through a
Sennheiser HD 600 headset.

To me, this sounds very good. Although I am looking for an audiophile
headphone amp, and have noticed that the Grado RA-1 runs on
batteries... just like my Squeezebox Radio. What a coincidence. ;)

If you're looking for a portable Squeezebox to connect your headphones
to, check out the Radio too, not just the Boom. Yes, the Boom's
speakers sound much better than the Radio, but I believe the Radio's
headphone jack is as good as the Boom's (or maybe even better?)


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Transporter firmware 84

2010-11-12 Thread ManfredK2

My Transporter installed today a new firmware. It is now possible to
switch the DAC roll-off filter from sharp to slow. Look at Player -
Audio


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Transporter firmware 84

2010-11-12 Thread ManfredK2

7.6 Nightly


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter vs Cambridge DacMagic

2010-11-12 Thread callesoroe

earwaxer9;588835 Wrote: 
 What I do know about the Transporter is that it can be finessed to
 outperform itself. My experience has been that the Transporter
 performs the best under certain conditions. 1. convert redbook to
 24/96. 2. use ethernet over WIFI. and finally, down the line - 3.
 replace fuse with audiophile grade fuse. Of course use a good power
 cord, defeat the volume control, etc. etc. .. I think thats it. Oh -
 and keep the firmware updated. By the way - squeeze server is the BEST.

There is absolutely no audible differences between Ethernet and WIFI.
But of course you shall have a good WIFI network. THAT is important. My
Transporter has no network problems running wireless. Signal strengh is
always between 89-93%


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter vs Cambridge DacMagic

2010-11-12 Thread ralphpnj

earwaxer9;588835 Wrote: 
 What I do know about the Transporter is that it can be finessed to
 outperform itself. My experience has been that the Transporter
 performs the best under certain conditions. 1. convert redbook to
 24/96. 2. use ethernet over WIFI. and finally, down the line - 3.
 replace fuse with audiophile grade fuse. Of course use a good power
 cord, defeat the volume control, etc. etc. .. I think thats it. Oh -
 and keep the firmware updated. By the way - squeeze server is the BEST.

Doing his best to give audiophiles a bad name.

Point by point:

1) convert redbook to 24/96 - complete rubbish. all this accomplishes
is requiring more storage for the larger 24/96 files and greater
network bandwidth required for the larger 24/96 files.

2) The only difference between wireless and wired is if one's wireless
signal strength is very weak, otherwise absolutely no difference.

3) Standard audiophile mumbo-jumbo except for the volume control part -
yes keep the volume at 100% for best results.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter vs Cambridge DacMagic

2010-11-12 Thread HeadBanger

ralphpnj;588909 Wrote: 
 Doing his best to give audiophiles a bad name.
 

I wasn't sure if he was kidding or not! If he wasn't then isn't it
amazing what people 'hear' when they want to. I've read people claiming
that super Sata leads, ethernet cables and even hard drives sound
different!!!


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter vs Cambridge DacMagic

2010-11-12 Thread ralphpnj

HeadBanger;588914 Wrote: 
 I wasn't sure if he was kidding or not! If he wasn't then isn't it
 amazing what people 'hear' when they want to. I've read people claiming
 that super Sata leads, ethernet cables and even hard drives sound
 different!!!

That's nothing. I've been saying for a few years now that as music
servers and computer based audio becomes more popular it's going to
open up a whole new area for the snake oil salesmen of the world to
exploit, such as hard drives with gold plated discs, audiophile grade
routers (whatever that means!) and magic air molecule aligners (which
will guarantee that the wireless network signal is transmitted with no
distortion) plus the audiophile grade USB and Cat5 cables that are
already on the market. Truly a gold mine for those vendors out there
with no shame.

Yes, it's true: there's a sucker born every minute.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BE DEQ2496Transporter connection

2010-11-12 Thread tomjtx

michael123;588862 Wrote: 
 Yes, it has to be 110 Ohm cable. I recommend Apogee Wyde Eye, these are
 relatively inexpensive
 
 
 
 Why audiophile quality? You're posting in audiophiles section, not in
 audiophiles, right?

I have had megabuck cabling in my system before I wised up.
I now use magnet wire for my Watt/Puppies. I still need to sell my
3,000.00 speaker cable.

BTW, if I had it to do over I would buy the Linkwitz Orions/Thor subs.
With amplification , Digital RC and all cabling and interconnects about
11,400.00 or a bit more for custom woods. One of the best speakers I
have heard. As good as my WPs for a fraction of the cost.

I have heard the 30,000.00 Nordost snake oil. No difference. It was fun
to watch some audiofools swallow the koolaid due to the clever
suggestions of the Nordost guys.

And please don't be offended by the use of audiofool. I go in and out
of that state still. I come here to come to my senses :-). I use the
word for myself all the time.

If I try the aes/ebu I will buy BlueJeans cable.


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] My perfect audiophile box

2010-11-12 Thread blu.vulcan

Hi all,

I wan to share with with you this idea. I was thinking about an
essential box to connect to the SBS with the following feature:

1) low cost (no more than 100#8364;)
2) audiophile quality
3) Input: Eth, wiFi (optional)
4) Output: Spdif coax, optical (optional)

No need for display, no IR remote, no analogue output stage, no
expensive internal DAC... it is essentially an interface between SBS
and an external DAC...

Does it exists? I don't think...but I think it would be quite simple to
do...logitech? some future plan?

No more than a tought.

Best regards,
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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter vs Cambridge DacMagic

2010-11-12 Thread cliveb

ralphpnj;588909 Wrote: 
 3) Standard audiophile mumbo-jumbo except for the volume control part -
 yes keep the volume at 100% for best results.
Standard audiophile mumbo-jumbo *including* the part about volume
control.

If you set the gain staging correctly, the only degradation to using a
modest amount of digital attenuation on redbook sources is a reduction
in S/N ratio. And since the intrinsic noise floor of the Transporter is
*way* below the noise floor of any music recording, that's entirely
academic.

(On 24 bit sources, you also lose a bit of resolution in the LSB. But
since the bottom few bits of all 24 bit recordings is noise, that's
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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter vs Cambridge DacMagic

2010-11-12 Thread ralphpnj

cliveb;588972 Wrote: 
 Standard audiophile mumbo-jumbo *including* the part about volume
 control.
 
 If you set the gain staging correctly, the only degradation to using a
 modest amount of digital attenuation on redbook sources is a reduction
 in S/N ratio. And since the intrinsic noise floor of the Transporter is
 *way* below the noise floor of any music recording, that's entirely
 academic.
 
 (On 24 bit sources, you also lose a bit of resolution in the LSB. But
 since the bottom few bits of all 24 bit recordings is noise, that's
 also academic).

I stand corrected, however I did say for best results:)


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] My perfect audiophile box

2010-11-12 Thread cliveb

blu.vulcan;588970 Wrote: 
 Hi all,
 
 I wan to share with with you this idea. I was thinking about an
 essential box to connect to the SBS with the following feature:
 
 1) low cost (no more than 100€)
 2) audiophile quality
 3) Input: Eth, wiFi (optional)
 4) Output: Spdif coax, optical (optional)
 
 No need for display, no IR remote, no analogue output stage, no
 expensive internal DAC... it is essentially an interface between SBS
 and an external DAC...
 
 Does it exists? I don't think...but I think it would be quite simple to
 do...logitech? some future plan?
Yes, it does exist. It's called a Squeezebox Receiver. £99.95 from
Amazon UK, which is about 110 Euros. So not quite under 100 euros, but
not far off.

You can ignore the fact that it also has a DAC - you don't have to use
it. Internal DACs are far from expensive - the parts cost is probably a
couple of dollars. (It wouldn't suprise me if the cost of the RCA
sockets for the analogue output cost more than the DAC itself).


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] My perfect audiophile box

2010-11-12 Thread SuperQ

Nothing Audiophile will be 100€. ;)


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BE DEQ2496Transporter connection

2010-11-12 Thread michael123

tomjtx;588959 Wrote: 
 I have had megabuck cabling in my system before I wised up.
 I now use magnet wire for my Watt/Puppies. I still need to sell my
 3,000.00 speaker cable.
 
 BTW, if I had it to do over I would buy the Linkwitz Orions/Thor subs.
 With amplification , Digital RC and all cabling and interconnects about
 11,400.00 or a bit more for custom woods. One of the best speakers I
 have heard. As good as my WPs for a fraction of the cost.
 
 I have heard the 30,000.00 Nordost snake oil. No difference. It was fun
 to watch some audiofools swallow the koolaid due to the clever
 suggestions of the Nordost guys.
 
 And please don't be offended by the use of audiofool. I go in and out
 of that state still. I come here to come to my senses :-). I use the
 word for myself all the time.
 
 If I try the aes/ebu I will buy BlueJeans cable.

Expensive cabling does not mean that it is snake oil and garbage
automatically. Margins in this segment are indeed astronomical, but
this has nothing to do with sound..
I personally did not buy cables more expensive than 1500$ yet since I
think it is inappropriate. Still, I respect these people who do spend
on more expensive ones.. I know they do not buy brands, but rather take
home for a week and listen, listen, ...

Anyway, for my DEQ2496 I bought a pair of Apogee cables (as someone
here recommended me) and quite happy with the results...


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] My perfect audiophile box

2010-11-12 Thread Mnyb

I have used the SB3 and now the Touch for this purpose .

The display is not unnecessary you need it for easy setup , the
receiver's lack of UI makes really awkward to setup and configure and
fault trace sometimes .
This could easily have been fixed by some remote UI to take care of
this but logitech did not go that way (see a typical router web-UI hint
hint).

Touch is not 100£ or $ or Eur but it has good wifi reception better
than my SB3 or Reciever 24/96 outputs which would qualify it as
audiphile and good quality spdif.

Removing the screen and stuff would probably not make it much cheaper
than it is .

Actually having one more product in the squeezebox line would only
increase total costs for logitech the current line up cater for most
user cases.

For your use you have the choice of

Reciever , which fits your description quite well

Or Touch who does it better .

Both have more stuff then you need but so does every product these
days.
But they cover you intended use.

These products is suitable to connect to your stereo(s) or  home
cinema(s) amps or powered speakers .
(this does not stop some from trying with radios or booms headphone out
with some awkward sisde effects) .

For stand alone use with built in speakers, Radio or Boom .

A New product would be an upgrade of the boom or receiver they are the
last with the old cpu .

Or covering some other user case missed by logitech.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] My perfect audiophile box

2010-11-12 Thread blu.vulcan

cliveb;588977 Wrote: 
 Yes, it does exist. It's called a Squeezebox Receiver. £99.95 from
 Amazon UK, which is about 110 Euros. So not quite under 100 euros, but
 not far off.
 
 You can ignore the fact that it also has a DAC - you don't have to use
 it. Internal DACs are far from expensive - the parts cost is probably a
 couple of dollars. (It wouldn't suprise me if the cost of the RCA
 sockets for the analogue output cost more than the DAC itself).

It would be acceptable if only it could handle hi-resolution files...

P.S.: I agree about the cost of the rca socket :)

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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] My perfect audiophile box

2010-11-12 Thread aubuti

blu.vulcan;589013 Wrote: 
 It would be acceptable if only it could handle hi-resolution files...
Well now you're changing the specs (it can be audiophile without being
hi-res). Next you'll say it should be less than 75€. :-)

The SBR does 24/48. If you need 24/96 you'll need to raise your price
threshold or start pitching the idea to hardware makers. Or both.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] My perfect audiophile box

2010-11-12 Thread blu.vulcan

aubuti;589020 Wrote: 
 Well now you're changing the specs (it can be audiophile without being
 hi-res). Next you'll say it should be less than 75€. :-)
 
 The SBR does 24/48. If you need 24/96 you'll need to raise your price
 threshold or start pitching the idea to hardware makers. Or both.

Yes...:) but today hi resolution is the frontier for audio lovers, it
is not feticism...the difference is remarkable.

The market offers some good example of what I intend for essential, low
cost and high quality; I'm thinking for example at the various T-Amp,
Musical Fidelity V-dac and M2Tech HiFace...so why not Logitech?

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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] My perfect audiophile box

2010-11-12 Thread Kal Rubinson

blu.vulcan;589013 Wrote: 
 It would be acceptable if only it could handle hi-resolution files...
 
 P.S.: I agree about the cost of the rca socket :)
 
 bluThe Touch handles 24/96 just fine.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] My perfect audiophile box

2010-11-12 Thread Pat Farrell
On 11/12/2010 04:08 PM, blu.vulcan wrote:
 ...so why not Logitech?

Duh, because Logitech is a mass market brand.
They make speakers and mice and expect to sell tens of millions of them.
And if it works, the Google TV/Review will sell tens of millions
(probably in version 2).

I have zero expectation that Logitech will make any products aimed at
audiophiles and not at mass market. They might make products that happen
to meet many audiophile's needs (like the Touch), but they sure are not
going to aim for a product that is only appreciated by audiophiles.

For most brands, things aimed at audiophiles cost $1,000.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BE DEQ2496Transporter connection

2010-11-12 Thread tomjtx

michael123;589002 Wrote: 
 Expensive cabling does not mean that it is snake oil and garbage
 automatically. Margins in this segment are indeed astronomical, but
 this has nothing to do with sound..
 I personally did not buy cables more expensive than 1500$ yet since I
 think it is inappropriate. Still, I respect these people who do spend
 on more expensive ones.. I know they do not buy brands, but rather take
 home for a week and listen, listen, ...
 
 Anyway, for my DEQ2496 I bought a pair of Apogee cables (as someone
 here recommended me) and quite happy with the results...


Thanks for the Apogee recommendation. They certainly are not expensive
by audiophile standards :-) And they look very well made. 

However, the BJ cables are 1/2 that price.

I do believe any audio cable more than a few hundred dollars is a giant
rip off. I also think those cable designers know this and they are
fundamentally dishonest. 
But, hey, that's an opinion , not a fact. But it is an opinion that is
saving me money :-)

BTW, I'm not including Apogee in the rip off category.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter vs Cambridge DacMagic

2010-11-12 Thread NewBuyer

ralphpnj;588909 Wrote: 
 ...convert redbook to 24/96 - complete rubbish. all this accomplishes is
 requiring more storage for the larger 24/96 files and greater network
 bandwidth required for the larger 24/96 files...

I've often wondered if such upsampling would, or could, make a
difference with a Transporter.  I've heard the argument that some DAC
components perform at their very best only when receiving higher
sampling frequencies - for instance the case for asychronous upsampling
'as made by Benchmark Media.'
(http://www.benchmarkmedia.com/discuss/feedback/newsletter/2010/07/1/asynchronous-upsampling-110-khz)
However, I do not know how that argument may (if at all) relate to the
Transporter...


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BE DEQ2496Transporter connection

2010-11-12 Thread Phil Leigh

Phil Leigh;588256 Wrote: 
 you can use any old cable for aes/ebu - that's what it was invented for
 :-)
 
 1.5m is generally considered the min for digital cables - but I don't
 think it makes much difference to be honest.
 
 You should probably try out all the connection options if you have the
 cables. AES is usually the worst option (but not always).

Sorry - as Michael reminds me -  I should have said any old 110 ohm
cable...


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Phil Leigh

You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it
ain't what you'd call minimal...
Touch(wired/XP) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF
Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x
LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend
Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker  Chord Interconnect
cables
Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything.

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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] My perfect audiophile box

2010-11-12 Thread Phil Leigh

blu.vulcan;589027 Wrote: 
 Yes...:) but today hi resolution is the frontier for audio lovers, it is
 not feticism...the difference is remarkable.
 
 ...
No it isn't - great sounding recordings remain (as ever) the frontier
for MUSIC lovers. You don't need hi resolution for great sounding
recordings.

What confuses people is that in many cases the only way to get buy
great sounding recordings is in SACD/DVD-A/Blu-ray/hi-res download
format. But it is NOT the format that makes them sound great and great
sounding recordings are available in standard redbook form - but you
will not find any record company rushing to remaster it's back
catalogue properly in redbook. There's no money in it for them.


-- 
Phil Leigh

You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it
ain't what you'd call minimal...
Touch(wired/XP) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF
Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x
LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend
Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker  Chord Interconnect
cables
Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything.

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View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=83260

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