Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Myths!
guidof;683034 Wrote: Your takeaway point is still well taken, but expectation bias affects both the perception that there is a change as well as the perception that there is no change. Yes, expectation bias is certainly a powerful factor. We know that it will influence what you hear. But what's most interesting about Poppy Crum's demonstration is this: You KNOW that what you're listening to on both occasions is exactly the same sound. So you should EXPECT to hear no difference. But the addition of the visual steering forces you to hear something different. This seems to show that non-auditory clues can influence you in a way over which you have no conscious control, even when you're in possession of facts that should allow you to ignore the steering. -- cliveb Transporter - ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92918 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Help with wired setup please
Thanks Guidof Don't think available in uk but useful guideline. Regards Ambrose -- Ambrose Ambrose's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=53026 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92907 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Advice please - upgrade priority
Jeff Flowerday;682976 Wrote: Definitely get that wireless radio turned off in the Touch. Next I would say, audition some DACs at home if you can. Rega is a definate upgrade to the touch dac. Note it takes a while to burn in and upgrading the power cord to an inexpensive as possible shielded power cord really helps as well. Hi Jeff, wireless radio turned off in the Touch Do you mean connecting Wired and turning off WLAN using Soundcheck toolbox please? I do have opportunity to try Rega at home and think this maybe worth saving up for before spending elsewhere, except for sorting wired connection of course. Thanks for your reply Ambrose -- Ambrose Ambrose's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=53026 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92924 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Advice please - upgrade priority
TheOctavist;683007 Wrote: none of that stuff. acoustically treat the room. that will make a bigger difference than ANY component. Including speakers. I promise. Thanks, but I don't have ideal setup for speaker placement (oak sideboard) although this doesn't seem to adversly affect sound, except for the imaging. I don't have options for any soundproofing given setup but with some of the different priority tuning in the Soundcheck 3 thread I have experienced better sound in some areas and know that my system can reveal more. In addition, when testing LAN opposed to WLAN I got improvement, more significantly when removing ethernet cable and listening to last 20-30seconds in buffer. I think I will look at sorting LAN connection first and then save up for DAC hoping this will be a good step up over the SBT dac. -- Ambrose Ambrose's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=53026 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92924 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Advice please - upgrade priority
guidof;683033 Wrote: I tend to agree with Ron's take on this. However, matching (integrating) a sub is not without its challenges. Room mode taming, an important consideration for decent low-frequency sound, will require room treatment for sound absorption (Tube Traps, or similar) and/or digital signal processing correction. I had excellent results with the DSpeaker unit in my sig. The validity of Ron's point also hinges on the type of music you mostly listen to and how fussy a listener you are. Don't overlook cables. In my system, even a better (Monster, $15) cat6 Ethernet cable did cause a significant SQ improvement. I know, tough to believe, but that has been my experience. Best luck! Guido F. I don't really need a sub, the Neats dig quite low and have excellent bass/punchy sound. http://www.whathifi.com/review/neat-motive-3 I will look at ethernet cables however thanks. -- Ambrose Ambrose's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=53026 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92924 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Advice please - upgrade priority
SBGK;683035 Wrote: following Soundcheck's advice would start with a linear power supply or battery equivalent, that might be enough, see what that sounds like. without this, spending money downstream is not going to be as effective. if you have money left over buy a dac. or learn to accept what you have and buy a lot of music. Thanks SBGK. I forgot to mention I have the Sbooster linear PS and agree this is one of the first things to address. I would not listen to touch without one now! I'll check out DAC for sure and also to hear your experience with the Fidelity Audio surgery :-) Cheers Ambrose -- Ambrose Ambrose's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=53026 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92924 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What's happened to Phil Leigh?
darrenyeats;683039 Wrote: That leaves recordings. And headphones. ;) -- Soulkeeper -That is not dead which can eternal lie. And with strange aeons even death may die.- 'Bug 17797: Updating wiki.slimdevices.com' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17797) Soulkeeper's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35297 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92925 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Myths!
SBGK;683123 Wrote: and some people want to influence others by decrying the efforts of others without any positive contribution of their own, is that a power trip thing ? it's not an audio thing because some discoveries have been made along the way and it's a free hobby, why pontificate over that ? This is the kind of reasoning which has turned this forum into bedlam recently. It even seems as though MCR is not the craziest solipsist in town. It cannot be correct that the only valid contributions are statements of belief in the latest DIY foo. In fact it does tend in that way because most people have better things to do with their time than interrupt other peoples conversations, however weird they may seem. But it it necessary in the name of balance for it to be pointed out that not only does it seem technically unlikely that tinkering makes a positive difference, but that many people have tried it and concluded that there was no difference. Otherwise newcomers to the forum might be under the impression that there was a consensus or even universal view amongst users that the SBT doesn't really work until all the settings have been comprehensively tweaked. As it is I am quite sure that many people do, quite incorrectly but equally understandably, get that impression. -- adamdea adamdea's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37603 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92918 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Myths!
adamdea;683177 Wrote: This is the kind of reasoning which has turned this forum into bedlam recently. It even seems as though MCR is not the craziest solipsist in town. It cannot be correct that the only valid contributions are statements of belief in the latest DIY foo. In fact it does tend in that way because most people have better things to do with their time than interrupt other peoples conversations, however weird they may seem. But it it necessary in the name of balance for it to be pointed out that not only does it seem technically unlikely that tinkering makes a positive difference, but that many people have tried it and concluded that there was no difference. Otherwise newcomers to the forum might be under the impression that there was a consensus or even universal view amongst users that the SBT doesn't really work until all the settings have been comprehensively tweaked. As it is I am quite sure that many people do, quite incorrectly but equally understandably, get that impression. well said! This is the only reason that I occasionally just can't help myself and have to call BS on some things I see posted. -- garym *Location 1:* VB Appliance 6TB (1.10) LMS 7.7.1 Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Location 2:* VB Appliance 3TB (2.0) LMS 7.7.1 Touch Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Office:* Win7(64) LMS 7.7.1 SqueezePlay Retired: SB3, Duet Receiver Controllers: iPhone (iPeng), iPad (iPengHD SqueezePad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.7 on Win7(64) laptop Ripping (FLAC) - dbpoweramp, Additional Tagging - mp3tag garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92918 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Souncheck Toolbox 3.0 Squeezeplug
tank121;683060 Wrote: Anyone using this combination in particular using a dockstar? Do the mods run Ok? I do run a Squeezeplug with Debian Linux 6.0 and LMS installed and a USB-drive attached to it. Runs perfectly with Souncheck Toolbox 3.0 and the sound is very good (when running the Touch with LMS on my Win 7/64 machine the sound is not better!). -- Soundman Soundman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92931 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Myths!
Puleeze! Do you really think a couple dozen folks having fun in one thread constitute a threat to the adults of this forum? Sounds like personal problems to me. RG -- RGibran RGibran's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10220 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92918 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Myths!
I agree with adamdea and garym, there's so much bullsh1t being sprouted in this forum these days that a Squeezebox newcomer couldn't tell the wood from the trees. -- audiomuze *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92918 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Myths!
audiomuze;683205 Wrote: I agree with adamdea and garym, there's so much bullsh1t being sprouted in this forum these days that a Squeezebox newcomer couldn't tell the wood from the trees. +1 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor Not a perfect logic but it works for most cases :) -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad 64gB wifi +3g with iPengHD SqueezePad (in storage SB3, reciever ,controller ) Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92918 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Myths!
I agree there are a lot of people unable or unwilling to admit their perceptions may be coloured or even manufactured by psychological factors. This happens on any internet forum. As Clive pointed out, ALL of us are influenced by this, even when we know it's happening. Personal blind testing is one way to address the problem but unfortunately it's impractical in many situations. Admitting blind testing can be impractical isn't the same as denying psychological bias! Darren -- darrenyeats http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/richpub/listmania/byauthor/A3H57URKQB8AQO/ref=cm_pdp_content_listmania/203-7606506-5721503. SB Touch darrenyeats's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10799 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92918 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Myths!
darrenyeats;683215 Wrote: I agree there are a lot of people unable or unwilling to admit their perceptions may be coloured or even manufactured by psychological factors. This happens on any internet forum. As Clive pointed out, ALL of us are influenced by this, even when we know it's happening. Personal blind testing is one way to address the problem but unfortunately it's impractical in many situations. Admitting blind testing can be impractical isn't the same as denying psychological bias! Darren This is bullshit. No one is denying the fact that extraneous factors influence our experiences. For example, if you're into enjoying wine, you know that part of the enjoyment is not only the wine itself, but also the size and the shape of the bottle from which you pour the wine, the size, shape, color, font and other graphical gimmickry displayed on the bottle label, the size and the shape of the glass into which you pour the wine, the type of lighting in the room, the bra size of the women you're enjoy the glass with, etc. Same goes for audio reproduction. Not only the audio equipment, but also the looks of the kit, the ambience, the lighting, the bra size... Everything affects how we experience something, and whether we enjoy it or not. Same as it gets hard to enjoy good wine while drinking it from a baby bottle, it gets hard to enjoy good music reproduction while sitting in a shitty room. -- magiccarpetride magiccarpetride's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37863 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92918 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Myths!
magiccarpetride;683223 Wrote: This is bullshit. No one is denying the fact that extraneous factors influence our experiences. For example, if you're into enjoying wine, you know that part of the enjoyment is not only the wine itself, but also the size and the shape of the bottle from which you pour the wine, the size, shape, color, font and other graphical gimmickry displayed on the bottle label, the size and the shape of the glass into which you pour the wine, the type of lighting in the room, the bra size of the women you're enjoy the glass with, etc. Same goes for audio reproduction. Not only the audio equipment, but also the looks of the kit, the ambience, the lighting, the bra size... Everything affects how we experience something, and whether we enjoy it or not. Same as it gets hard to enjoy good wine while drinking it from a baby bottle, it gets hard to enjoy good music reproduction while sitting in a shitty room. yes, but saying one enjoys something more because of the ambiance, is very different from claiming that a prettier cable changed the sound waves that emanated from the speakers -- garym *Location 1:* VB Appliance 6TB (1.10) LMS 7.7.1 Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Location 2:* VB Appliance 3TB (2.0) LMS 7.7.1 Touch Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Office:* Win7(64) LMS 7.7.1 SqueezePlay Retired: SB3, Duet Receiver Controllers: iPhone (iPeng), iPad (iPengHD SqueezePad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.7 on Win7(64) laptop Ripping (FLAC) - dbpoweramp, Additional Tagging - mp3tag garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92918 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Myths!
garym;683224 Wrote: yes, but saying one enjoys something more because of the ambiance, is very different from claiming that a prettier cable changed the sound waves that emanated from the speakers Sound waves? What the hell do we know about sound waves (and why would we ever care)? All I'm talking about is enjoyment of music. If that prettier speaker cable gives me a longer lasting hard on, hey, I'm buying it! It's the same as asking my woman to wear that prettier bra, because it gives me harder erection. Only a complete loser would find fault with that approach to living and enjoying life. And I see a lot of people in here crying foul over such a hedonistic approach to enjyment. You do the math... -- magiccarpetride magiccarpetride's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37863 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92918 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Myths!
magiccarpetride;683226 Wrote: Sound waves? What the hell do we know about sound waves (and why would we ever care)? All I'm talking about is enjoyment of music. If that prettier speaker cable gives me a longer lasting hard on, hey, I'm buying it! It's the same as asking my woman to wear that prettier bra, because it gives me harder erection. Only a complete loser would find fault with that approach to living and enjoying life. And I see a lot of people in here crying foul over such a hedonistic approach to enjyment. You do the math... get off your complete loser if you disagree with me soapbox. It's tiring. But back to your point: I don't disagree at all that there is nothing wrong with complete enjoyment of our life where possible and if a cool looking amp, a purple cable, and a stone on top of my CD player make it all better *for me*, then great. No dispute here. My only dispute is when folks want to claim some reproducible, scientific, measurable engineering phenomena from such factors. And then claim that if I can't hear such differences, my system is simply not revealing enough or that the humidity in my parent's basement is preventing the proper listening environment. p.s. my womanwhat are you, a caveman? -- garym *Location 1:* VB Appliance 6TB (1.10) LMS 7.7.1 Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Location 2:* VB Appliance 3TB (2.0) LMS 7.7.1 Touch Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Office:* Win7(64) LMS 7.7.1 SqueezePlay Retired: SB3, Duet Receiver Controllers: iPhone (iPeng), iPad (iPengHD SqueezePad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.7 on Win7(64) laptop Ripping (FLAC) - dbpoweramp, Additional Tagging - mp3tag garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92918 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Myths!
adamdea;683177 Wrote: This is the kind of reasoning which has turned this forum into bedlam recently. It even seems as though MCR is not the craziest solipsist in town. It cannot be correct that the only valid contributions are statements of belief in the latest DIY foo. In fact it does tend in that way because most people have better things to do with their time than interrupt other peoples conversations, however weird they may seem. But it it necessary in the name of balance for it to be pointed out that not only does it seem technically unlikely that tinkering makes a positive difference, but that many people have tried it and concluded that there was no difference. Otherwise newcomers to the forum might be under the impression that there was a consensus or even universal view amongst users that the SBT doesn't really work until all the settings have been comprehensively tweaked. As it is I am quite sure that many people do, quite incorrectly but equally understandably, get that impression. you guys really need to lay out what is acceptable to be posted on your forum, new ideas are not welcome, it seems. how do you think new products are developed ? unbelievable. -- SBGK SBGK's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=52003 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92918 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Myths!
SBGK;683231 Wrote: you guys really need to lay out what is acceptable to be posted on your forum, new ideas are not welcome, it seems. how do you think new products are developed ? unbelievable. I think discussion on Squeezebox Touch tweaks does not belong in the audiophile forum. It belongs in the Touch forum. That's what all these self-proclaimed, self-apointed 'experts' are complaining about. But, as someone pointed out, Klaus (Soundcheck) did start this Touch Toolbox thread in the Touch forum, but then, much to Soundcheck's chagrin, administrators forklifted it over here. It's impossible to please everyone... -- magiccarpetride magiccarpetride's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37863 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92918 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Myths!
magiccarpetride;683234 Wrote: I think discussion on Squeezebox Touch tweaks does not belong in the audiophile forum. It belongs in the Touch forum. That's what all these self-proclaimed, self-apointed 'experts' are complaining about. But, as someone pointed out, Klaus (Soundcheck) did start this Touch Toolbox thread in the Touch forum, but then, much to Soundcheck's chagrin, administrators forklifted it over here. It's impossible to please everyone... there seems to be a faction who poo poo's any change, calling people fruitcakes etc without any effort to try to understand the ideas behind the tweaks and without putting up any arguments for their own position other than dogmatism. Pontiffs indeed. -- SBGK SBGK's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=52003 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92918 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Myths!
SBGK;683231 Wrote: you guys really need to lay out what is acceptable to be posted on your forum, new ideas are not welcome, it seems. how do you think new products are developed ? unbelievable. New ideas are very welcome :) But the typical audiophool ideas are not new. And if they are, they top the old ones in sheer improbality *sigh* and are usually rubbish too, like we need yet another powercable etc... 99.88% of them can be given a blanket statement yes you are hearing things in your head meaning bias or placebo etc and nothing is happen in reality, or what happening is below the threshold of what we can hear. EE and audio is quite mature incremental improvement is possible . What can shook things up are things like squeezeboxes that gives a completely new way to enjoy music, this is the future no more discs. And similar paradigm shifting stuff. Also good quality at lower prices , that would be news , but in audiophilia the silly price is a part of the product, but I love stuff that tries to break the mold here to . Audiophiles don't like new ideas either the want old ones rehashed over again like set tube amps and other anachronism of yesteryear. Example active speakers are superior to passive speakers, yet almost no audiophile uses them and there is way to few of them to be a good selection :-/ (if no one buys no one sells ) but the pros have been using them since 60-70s -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad 64gB wifi +3g with iPengHD SqueezePad (in storage SB3, reciever ,controller ) Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92918 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Myths!
SBGK;683231 Wrote: you guys really need to lay out what is acceptable to be posted on your forum, new ideas are not welcome, it seems. how do you think new products are developed ? unbelievable. You can post whatever you want--it's a public forum. From my perspective, it seems that anyone that dares question one of your improvements gets grief for daring to question it. It goes both ways. You can post what you want, and I can post what I want. We're both equally welcome here. The thing that bothers me the most however is when a new Touch user posts a simple question (How do I use this thing?) and the first answer is, apply TT3.0 tweaks, remove the caps, solder the S/PDIF cable to the board, get a DAC and then you'll be getting closer to decent sound from a TOUCH. But that's just me and I'm not in charge. (If they made me king, I'd be more likely to want to follow the hydrogenaudio TOS #8 approach for this kind of stuff, but again, that's just me and I understand why that approach may be even a bit too limiting). -- garym *Location 1:* VB Appliance 6TB (1.10) LMS 7.7.1 Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Location 2:* VB Appliance 3TB (2.0) LMS 7.7.1 Touch Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Office:* Win7(64) LMS 7.7.1 SqueezePlay Retired: SB3, Duet Receiver Controllers: iPhone (iPeng), iPad (iPengHD SqueezePad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.7 on Win7(64) laptop Ripping (FLAC) - dbpoweramp, Additional Tagging - mp3tag garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92918 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Myths!
Mnyb;683236 Wrote: New ideas are very welcome :) But the typical audiophool ideas are not new. And if they are, they top the old ones in sheer improbality *sigh* and are usually rubbish too, like we need yet another powercable etc... 99.88% of them can be given a blanket statement yes you are hearing things in your head meaning bias or placebo etc and nothing is happen in reality, or what happening is below the threshold of what we can hear. EE and audio is quite mature incremental improvement is possible . What can shook things up are things like squeezeboxes that gives a completely new way to enjoy music, this is the future no more discs. And similar paradigm shifting stuff. Also good quality at lower prices , that would be news , but in audiophilia the silly price is a part of the product, but I love stuff that tries to break the mold here to . Audiophiles don't like new ideas either the want old ones rehashed over again like set tube amps and other anachronism of yesteryear. Example active speakers are superior to passive speakers, yet almost no audiophile uses them and there is way to few of them to be a good selection :-/ (if no one buys no one sells ) but the pros have been using them since 60-70s do you know Squeezebox is a computer, do you know the server runs on a computer, do you know computers can be tweaked, this is a whole new area which is definately affecting audio performance and is definately not mature. I notice you are not saying 'I have tried these settings and this is my opinion' -- SBGK SBGK's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=52003 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92918 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Myths!
SBGK;683242 Wrote: which is definately affecting audio performance You say this a lot in various ways. I'd really just like to see you post the results of some trials from a competently designed and executed double-blind study. Your tweaks (at least the software tweaks) are easily testable with such an approach. -- garym *Location 1:* VB Appliance 6TB (1.10) LMS 7.7.1 Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Location 2:* VB Appliance 3TB (2.0) LMS 7.7.1 Touch Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Office:* Win7(64) LMS 7.7.1 SqueezePlay Retired: SB3, Duet Receiver Controllers: iPhone (iPeng), iPad (iPengHD SqueezePad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.7 on Win7(64) laptop Ripping (FLAC) - dbpoweramp, Additional Tagging - mp3tag garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92918 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Myths!
garym;683241 Wrote: You can post whatever you want--it's a public forum. From my perspective, it seems that anyone that dares question one of your improvements gets grief for daring to question it. It goes both ways. You can post what you want, and I can post what I want. We're both equally welcome here. The thing that bothers me the most however is when a new Touch user posts a simple question (How do I use this thing?) and the first answer is, apply TT3.0 tweaks, remove the caps, solder the S/PDIF cable to the board, get a DAC and then you'll be getting closer to decent sound from a TOUCH. But that's just me and I'm not in charge. (If they made me king, I'd be more likely to want to follow the hydrogenaudio TOS #8 approach for this kind of stuff, but again, that's just me and I understand why that approach may be even a bit too limiting). can you provide an example of me giving someone grief, get real. -- SBGK SBGK's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=52003 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92918 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Myths!
SBGK;683244 Wrote: can you provide an example of me giving someone grief, get real. sorry, I didn't necessarily mean grief FROM YOU in particular. But there are plenty of examples in other threads of piling on from some posters if one dares ask for evidence of detected differences based on something other than I think -- garym *Location 1:* VB Appliance 6TB (1.10) LMS 7.7.1 Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Location 2:* VB Appliance 3TB (2.0) LMS 7.7.1 Touch Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Office:* Win7(64) LMS 7.7.1 SqueezePlay Retired: SB3, Duet Receiver Controllers: iPhone (iPeng), iPad (iPengHD SqueezePad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.7 on Win7(64) laptop Ripping (FLAC) - dbpoweramp, Additional Tagging - mp3tag garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92918 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Myths!
garym;683243 Wrote: You say this a lot in various ways. I'd really just like to see you post the results of some trials from a competently designed and executed double-blind study. Your tweaks (at least the software tweaks) are easily testable with such an approach. and I know, asking for such evidence means that I'm a loser, with low self esteem that still lives in my parent's basement. Hey, maybe that's what I meant about getting grief ;-) -- garym *Location 1:* VB Appliance 6TB (1.10) LMS 7.7.1 Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Location 2:* VB Appliance 3TB (2.0) LMS 7.7.1 Touch Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Office:* Win7(64) LMS 7.7.1 SqueezePlay Retired: SB3, Duet Receiver Controllers: iPhone (iPeng), iPad (iPengHD SqueezePad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.7 on Win7(64) laptop Ripping (FLAC) - dbpoweramp, Additional Tagging - mp3tag garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92918 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Myths!
SBGK;683244 Wrote: can you provide an example of me giving someone grief, get real. reality bites: SBGK;683123 Wrote: and some people want to influence others by decrying the efforts of others without any positive contribution of their own, is that a power trip thing ? -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92918 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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aubuti;683247 Wrote: reality bites: twits write -- SBGK SBGK's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=52003 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92918 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Myths!
SBGK;683251 Wrote: twits write Ladies and Gentlemen of the Jury, I rest my case. -- garym *Location 1:* VB Appliance 6TB (1.10) LMS 7.7.1 Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Location 2:* VB Appliance 3TB (2.0) LMS 7.7.1 Touch Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Office:* Win7(64) LMS 7.7.1 SqueezePlay Retired: SB3, Duet Receiver Controllers: iPhone (iPeng), iPad (iPengHD SqueezePad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.7 on Win7(64) laptop Ripping (FLAC) - dbpoweramp, Additional Tagging - mp3tag garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92918 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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garym;683253 Wrote: Ladies and Gentlemen of the Jury, I rest my case. didn't realise I was on trial, although there are plenty of judges. -- SBGK SBGK's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=52003 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92918 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Myths!
SBGK;683242 Wrote: do you know Squeezebox is a computer, do you know the server runs on a computer, do you know computers can be tweaked, this is a whole new area which is definately affecting audio performance and is definately not mature. I notice you are not saying 'I have tried these settings and this is my opinion' *sigh* I have manually done some of them (basically for tidyness and remove unused stuff , no analog no smb, no wifi and some small stuff ), but it is not a good use of time to move further as in fact all reasonably good digital sources sounds the same with my processor ;) once over a certain threshold in quality. This is the expected result with any reasonably well designed DAC btw . So if you *don't* get this result you should start measuring or doing blindtest before claiming that an actual physical improvement have occurred. It is then more likely that some bias/placebo effect is at hand or something is wrong with the setup or the dac, than that the mystery tweak did something real. Otherwise myths start to grow about it . If it's there for real you find it with some scientific method. So even a basic Touch or SB3 is the same as my DVDA transport etc on comparable material. But I'm probably deaf or my hifi is not resolving enough :) And of-course no difference between flac or wav or anything like that either. I have the screen on for cover arts and titles to. And of-course none of the different network setups I used over the years have sounded different either (not very likely ) Digital transport is no problem with todays dac's just get a Touch and enjoy . I'm going to do just that in a moment :)( with the cheapest possible cat5 cables to my digital speakers from my processor ) Btw Is this tread not about audio myths in general not specifically just squeezebox soft/hardware tweaks . There are so many of where to begin ? quantum purifiers and shakti stones etc ? Just be real sometimes. Imo I think hifi needs a reboot, to not be this esoteric cargo cult anymore. I look at what my younger friends are using :-/ some real speaker and decent quality amp goes a long way to improve their stuff. But hifi mythology have spread so much that normal people thinks this hobby is to expensive and weird to even consider, that's sad . I think I had my say. -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad 64gB wifi +3g with iPengHD SqueezePad (in storage SB3, reciever ,controller ) Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92918 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Myths!
magiccarpetride;683223 Wrote: This is bullshit. What...really? I thought my post was audio forum gold. LOL. -- darrenyeats http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/richpub/listmania/byauthor/A3H57URKQB8AQO/ref=cm_pdp_content_listmania/203-7606506-5721503. SB Touch darrenyeats's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10799 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92918 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Myths!
Mnyb;683256 Wrote: *sigh* I have manually done some of them (basically for tidyness and remove unused stuff , no analog no smb, no wifi and some small stuff ), but it is not a good use of time to move further as in fact all reasonably good digital sources sounds the same with my processor ;) once over a certain threshold in quality. This is the expected result with any reasonably well designed DAC btw . So if you *don't* get this result you should start measuring or doing blindtest before claiming that an actual physical improvement have occurred. It is then more likely that some bias/placebo effect is at hand or something is wrong with the setup or the dac, than that the mystery tweak did something real. Otherwise myths start to grow about it . If it's there for real you find it with some scientific method. So even a basic Touch or SB3 is the same as my DVDA transport etc on comparable material. But I'm probably deaf or my hifi is not resolving enough :) And of-course no difference between flac or wav or anything like that either. I have the screen on for cover arts and titles to. And of-course none of the different network setups I used over the years have sounded different either (not very likely ) Digital transport is no problem with todays dac's just get a Touch and enjoy . I'm going to do just that in a moment :)( with the cheapest possible cat5 cables to my digital speakers from my processor ) Btw Is this tread not about audio myths in general not specifically just squeezebox soft/hardware tweaks . There are so many of where to begin ? quantum purifiers and shakti stones etc ? Just be real sometimes. Imo I think hifi needs a reboot, to not be this esoteric cargo cult anymore. I look at what my younger friends are using :-/ some real speaker and decent quality amp goes a long way to improve their stuff. But hifi mythology have spread so much that normal people thinks this hobby is to expensive and weird to even consider, that's sad . I think I had my say. thanks for your reasoned analysis, it is what I expected to read in a forum. cheers -- SBGK SBGK's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=52003 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92918 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Myths!
Since thinking rationally about audio and relying more on science and measurements (XTZ analyzer etc) two things have happened: 1. The sound I am experiencing has improved greatly because (I believe) I've been focussing on things that really matter. 2. Although the sound has improved I've become more aware of how limited sound quality is under normal conditions, in absolute terms. I'm happy with my gear - I can't think of anything I'd want instead so I am lucky. It's just I've got real about how good audio replay can be in real domestic environments with normal recordings. (1) and (2) sound contradictory but basically it's a process of constantly downgrading my opinion about my current SQ (for my system/music) - whilst downgrading opinion of my past SQ even more severely! He-he. Darren -- darrenyeats http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/richpub/listmania/byauthor/A3H57URKQB8AQO/ref=cm_pdp_content_listmania/203-7606506-5721503. SB Touch darrenyeats's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10799 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92918 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Myths!
At last - I knew it would happen, but sadly I don't think it will last. SBGK MagicCrapitRight off the TT3.0 thread and pi@*ing in someone else's thread. Now if they would just start their own thread to pursue their flight of delight and perfect enhancement, preferably with a closed membership of two.. Now that is something that would improve my listening experience immeasurably.. -- pandasharka pandasharka's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=45806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92918 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Myths!
Mnyb;683256 Wrote: But hifi mythology have spread so much that normal people thinks this hobby is to expensive and weird to even consider, that's sad . You have a point. The exorbitant price tag associated with the solutions Soundcheck and SBGK have offered with their SBT tweaks will certainly drive away many hi fi novices. I mean, few of us can afford to throw that kind of cash at our audio system. Here is hoping that more knowledgeable members will step in and offer more affordable solutions. Christmas comes but once a year, and sadly I've blown all my Christmas presents cash on buying SBGK's tweaks. I'm not made out of money, you know. -- magiccarpetride magiccarpetride's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37863 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92918 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Myths!
pandasharka;683267 Wrote: At last - I knew it would happen, but sadly I don't think it will last. SBGK MagicCrapitRight off the TT3.0 thread and pi@*ing in someone else's thread. Now if they would just start their own thread to pursue their flight of delight and perfect enhancement, preferably with a closed membership of two.. That is something that would improve listening experience immeasurably.. The thread police never sleeps. -- magiccarpetride magiccarpetride's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37863 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92918 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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SBGK;683231 Wrote: you guys really need to lay out what is acceptable to be posted on your forum, new ideas are not welcome, it seems. how do you think new products are developed ? unbelievable. Please, keep on posting whatever you like. The more you post, the clearer the picture. That post of yours about the audible differences between browsers was highly illuminating. It was a big help in putting your other claims into perspective. -- chill chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92918 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Ode to room acoustics
Maybe it was the single malt that made it sound better? -- Fahzz Living Room: Duet, Adcom GFA 545II, Adcom GFP 555II, Polk SDA 2B Dining Room: Paradigm Atom Monitor v.5 Bedroom: SB3, Pioneer VSX 5700S,Pinnacle PN 5+, MK VX-7 Subwoofer Anywhere Else As Needed: Boom Router: Linksys WRT54G Server: LMS Version 7.7.1, Acer Aspire Laptop (Wired...Finally), Windows 7 Home Fahzz's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12585 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92936 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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chill;683290 Wrote: Please, keep on posting whatever you like. The more you post, the clearer the picture. That post of yours about the audible differences between browsers was highly illuminating. It was a big help in putting your other claims into perspective. pay attention at the back interesting you bring that up, the point of that post was to highlight psychological influences of which the browser was an example, never mind that though, it has provided a cheap laugh or two. -- SBGK SBGK's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=52003 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92918 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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magiccarpetride;683280 Wrote: The thread police never sleeps. Difference between you and me boy? I know I have nothing to offer other than meaningful feedback to *serious *developments. Let's keep it simple here and in perspective.. Imagine Logitech invented the Model T Ford (you still with me boy? - thats the SBT) Now supposing Soundcheck came along and offered a modified (software) engine - You probably don't get Cosworth over there, but look it up. Now along comes SBGK who works on the Cosworth engine, well when I say works on, tightens a couple of bolts. And along you come to polish the bodywork. You still with me boy? Now, take your UK mate - SBGK, go and do what you want us to believe you can do, (improve on Soundchecks mods) and report back when you get somewhere. Clue: that means trying to emulate what the inventor of the Cosworth engine (above) does rather than sniffing the polish. -- pandasharka pandasharka's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=45806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92918 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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pandasharka;683297 Wrote: You still with me boy? Objection: I am African American (read: black), and I object to this racist language! -- magiccarpetride magiccarpetride's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37863 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92918 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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chill;683290 Wrote: Please, keep on posting whatever you like. The more you post, the clearer the picture. That post of yours about the audible differences between browsers was highly illuminating. It was a big help in putting your other claims into perspective. you are not up to speed on the thread, you missed some nuance in the point, or you are continuing the insider joke -- Mennace Mennace's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=53318 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92918 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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garym;683228 Wrote: p.s. my womanwhat are you, a caveman? Wow, you've guessed it! How did you know? Yes, indeed, I am a caveman. But more importantly, I accept the political correctness, and from now on I will abstain from using the phrase my woman. So instead of my woman, I'll use my representative of the opposite gender. -- magiccarpetride magiccarpetride's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37863 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92918 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Myths!
pandasharka;683297 Wrote: Difference between you and me boy? I know I have nothing to offer other than meaningful feedback to *serious *developments. Let's keep it simple here and in perspective.. Imagine Logitech invented the Model T Ford (you still with me boy? - thats the SBT) Now supposing Soundcheck came along and offered a modified (software) engine - You probably don't get Cosworth over there, but look it up. Now along comes SBGK who works on the Cosworth engine, well when I say works on, tightens a couple of bolts. And along you come to polish the bodywork. You still with me boy? Now, take your UK mate - SBGK, go and do what you want us to believe you can do, (improve on Soundchecks mods) and report back when you get somewhere. Clue: that means trying to emulate what the inventor of the Cosworth engine (above) does rather than sniffing the polish. so SBGK tweaked some settings, maybe too often, and ended to back at TT2.0 buffer 2, who gives a crap, someone had to do it, TT3.0 is far from perfect, audibly anyway -- Mennace Mennace's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=53318 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92918 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Myths!
pandasharka;683267 Wrote: At last - I knew it would happen, but sadly I don't think it will last. SBGK MagicCrapitRight off the TT3.0 thread and pi@*ing in someone else's thread. Now if they would just start their own thread to pursue their flight of delight and perfect enhancement, preferably with a closed membership of two.. That is something that would improve listening experience immeasurably.. Klaus provided TT3.0 to modify, why the heck not?, no ones pissing on anyones parade, and Klaus will prob take the best of the results make those the default -- Mennace Mennace's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=53318 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92918 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Myths!
If only we had the technical knowledge on this product we clearly all hold in high esteem... By now we would have worked out how to fly it to the stars and back. Rather than pretending, pontificating and ponsing around. (And I'm sure that's alliteration..) -- pandasharka pandasharka's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=45806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92918 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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pandasharka;683304 Wrote: If only we had the technical knowledge on this product we clearly all hold in high esteem... By now we would have worked out how to fly it to the stars and back. Rather than pretending, pontificating and ponsing around. (And I'm sure that's alliteration..) ok... but ya gotta start somewhere, do you suggest people do nothin' ? -- Mennace Mennace's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=53318 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92918 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Mennace;683306 Wrote: ok... but ya gotta start somewhere, do you suggest people do nothin' ? SBGK - you chose a great new username. -- pandasharka pandasharka's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=45806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92918 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Myths!
SBGK;683129 Wrote: I have the best kit and listening space in the world as well as golden ears, so you are ok with my recommendations and they're all backed up by science as well. :) -- Mennace Mennace's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=53318 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92918 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Myths!
adamdea;683177 Wrote: Otherwise newcomers to the forum might be under the impression that there was a consensus or even universal view amongst users that the SBT doesn't really work until all the settings have been comprehensively tweaked. QUOTE] why shold we give a crap about them? whoas me -- Mennace Mennace's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=53318 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92918 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Myths!
anyway, I think it's cool we have a little control of SPDIF, this IS the first thing going into the system, just as important as the speakers room we know who to look past each others fluff attempts at describing their systems -- Mennace Mennace's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=53318 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92918 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Myths!
Mennace;683310 Wrote: adamdea;683177 Wrote: Otherwise newcomers to the forum might be under the impression that there was a consensus or even universal view amongst users that the SBT doesn't really work until all the settings have been comprehensively tweaked. QUOTE] why should we give a crap about them? whoas me Newcomers are the lifeblood of any product, they give the mfr a reason to continue to upgrade, support and improve their product line. Many people use these forums to attempt to make informed decisions about purchase, setup, system tweaking and also to help those who request it. Comments such as-why should we give a crap about them are counterproductive and have no place here. -- dasmueller dasmueller's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38035 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92918 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Ode to room acoustics
The single malt along w the fact that you miss Tokyo as well. I remember the late 60's early 70's when FM radio was just getting really started and the music one could hear then. I miss those days but, time goes on. I did not have a Squeezebox Touch in 1969, now I have 2 and am content that this is where I am today. -- dasmueller dasmueller's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38035 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92936 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Myths!
dasmueller;683315 Wrote: Mennace;683310 Wrote: Newcomers are the lifeblood of any product, they give the mfr a reason to continue to upgrade, support and improve their product line. Many people use these forums to attempt to make informed decisions about purchase, setup, system tweaking and also to help those who request it. Comments such as-why should we give a crap about them are counterproductive and have no place here. this is not the newcomer forum -- Mennace Mennace's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=53318 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92918 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Myths!
Mennace;683313 Wrote: anyway, I think it's cool we have a little control of SPDIF, this IS the first thing going into the system, just as important as the speakers roomthe only time the SPDIF is going to make any discernible difference is through reduced jitter. The Touch has already been shown to have low jitter, why not take some measurements and demonstrate the improvements all the tweaking brings about. Seriously, I don't think I've ever read as many audiophile superlatives as are in the Touch mod threads anywhere in any medium. Any audiofool magazine looking to recruit reviewers need look no further than that thread. and I'll say it again, I cannot help but wonder how many of the tweakers have the equipment and listening space to be able to resolve and discern the so called differences. Is it any wonder even the tweakers are finding the outcome of the tweaks are not universal? Now I suppose that comes down to differences in quality or function of components in the Touch. It couldn't possibly be that the tweaks are actually meaningless. dasmueller;683315 Wrote: this is not the newcomer forum, so we need to be conscience of them and taylor our discussusions here? This has got to be a fairly specialized forum, I doubt 95% of the people ever see this audiophile forumActually, this forum used to be a place of reasoned discussion where many of the participants had a lot to offer in terms of technical knowledge and experience. People looking to learn or glean insight into particular aspects of audio were able to gain a lot of insight by participating in this audiophile forum. With the current proliferation of baseless BS, that's no longer the case, the S/N ratio in this forum is out of control and many of the former participants are no longer here for that very reason. -- audiomuze *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92918 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Ode to room acoustics
ob_kook;683111 Wrote: My room today has a cathedral cieling, losts of beautiful architecture angles, hardwood floors, and sparse wall coverings. What is there is hard glass covered paintaings, a fired clay sculpture, and that's about it.Nostalgia aside, catherdral ceilings, bare walls and hard surfaces would be the culprits here. -- audiomuze *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92936 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Myths!
Mennace;683322 Wrote: dasmueller;683315 Wrote: this is not the newcomer forum, so we need to be conscience of them and taylor our discussusions here? This has got to be a fairly specialized forum, I doubt 95% of the people ever see this audiophile forum Whether or not your pereption that 95% of peple do not see this forum or not is accurate or not was not the issue in my post. All people who visit these forums deserve to be treated with decency and respect whether or not you agree with their thoughts or also they with yours. -- dasmueller dasmueller's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38035 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92918 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Moon 180 MiND : A new music server from Simaudio
Look very interesting... Allows local playlists, gapless playback and silent track scanning Provides for Zone selection, Zone grouping and permanent Zone naming Support for DLNA 1.5 vTuner Internet Radio Supported file formats: WAV (PCM), FLAC, FLAC HD, AIF, AAC, ALAC, MP3, WMA-9 and OGG Vorbis S/PDIF (RCA), AES/EBU (XLR), and Optical (Toslink) digital audio outputs Wired network interface via 100 Base-T RJ45 Ethernet Wireless network interface via IEEE 802.11 b/g/n Wi-Fi with WEP, WPA and WPA2 encryption support SimLink controller port allows for 2-way communications between other compatible Moon components The Moon 180 MiND will be available in April 2012 with an MSRP $1,250 http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/digital-media-servers/moon-180-mind-music -- mftech Tête à FLAC mftech's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1586 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92962 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Ode to room acoustics
audiomuze;68 Wrote: Nostalgia aside, catherdral ceilings, bare walls and hard surfaces would be the culprits here. It was definitely the single malt. It was definitaly the heady aroma of Tokyo back streets. And today it is definitely the fact that my room sucks. At one point did measurements to apply DRC, and could see how dismal the room is. Sadly, it is what it is, happens to be the only real option for my system, and is under strict WAF control. I believe it is absolutely true that the best bang for your buck, and one of the most important components in your system is the space. But away from home over a weekend in a dedicated Man-Cave-Apartment, nearly soundproofed, and with a few friends over... Oh my, what sessions we had. And if you haven't checked out Nikka Yoichi, please do yourself a favor and do so! -- ob_kook Duet -- Axiom passive pre -- Portal Paladin monoblocks -- Dynaudio Contour 1.3 MKII SB2 -- Denon AVR4800 -- Klipsch KG4 Squeezebox Boom Squeezeserver running on a virtual Win7 machine within 2008 R2 Server Hyper-V ob_kook's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1383 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92936 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Ode to room acoustics
a couple pics of The Den of Iniquity. +---+ |Filename: IMG_1426.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=12931| +---+ -- ob_kook Duet -- Axiom passive pre -- Portal Paladin monoblocks -- Dynaudio Contour 1.3 MKII SB2 -- Denon AVR4800 -- Klipsch KG4 Squeezebox Boom Squeezeserver running on a virtual Win7 machine within 2008 R2 Server Hyper-V ob_kook's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1383 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92936 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Myths!
audiomuze;683331 Wrote: the only time the SPDIF is going to make any discernible difference is through reduced jitter. The Touch has already been shown to have low jitter, why not take some measurements and demonstrate the improvements all the tweaking brings about. Seriously, I don't think I've ever read as many audiophile superlatives as are in the Touch mod threads anywhere in any medium. Any audiofool magazine looking to recruit reviewers need look no further than that thread. and I'll say it again, I cannot help but wonder how many of the tweakers have the equipment and listening space to be able to resolve and discern the so called differences. Is it any wonder even the tweakers are finding the outcome of the tweaks are not universal? Now I suppose that comes down to differences in quality or function of components in the Touch. It couldn't possibly be that the tweaks are actually meaningless. Actually, this forum used to be a place of reasoned discussion where many of the participants had a lot to offer in terms of technical knowledge and experience. People looking to learn or glean insight into particular aspects of audio were able to gain a lot of insight by participating in this audiophile forum. With the current proliferation of baseless BS, that's no longer the case, the S/N ratio in this forum is out of control and many of the former participants are no longer here for that very reason. don't you see it is you who is using baseless generalisations to back your viewpoint, if people are reporting improvements does that not warrant some investigation by the naysayers rather than name calling and not invented here behaviour. it says something that no one comments about PandaSharka's vile diatribe and yet anyone tweaking gets the full treatment. your arguments about tweaking effectively mean that the whole TT3.0 thread and TT3.0 methodology is worthless according to you. there were no complaints until people started tweaking priorities, which is exactly what TT3.0 does amongst other outlandish things, and yet I have seen no point by point demolition of Soundcheck;s ideas. It's obvious there are those who are so biased against any unofficial change that we shall have to agree to disagree, the tweakers will continue suggesting changes and reporting their fidings and the naysayers will continue saying enough of that sort of thing. -- SBGK SBGK's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=52003 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92918 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
