Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Squeezebox Touch + Toolbox 3 + EDO = XRUN Buffer issue
sdiesel77 wrote: Nobody? #128565; From memory to get both to work together you need to install TT3.0 first then EDO. BUT then you need to modify some of the boot batch files to turn off various TT options so they do not conflict. I can't remember the details sorry. IMO if you have to pick one or the other, factory reset and go with EDO. That said I really miss some TT3 options especially the solid screen-off feature. EDO (and the screensaver) do not work anywhere near as well as they don't actually turn the screen off, just blacken it, but the backlight is still on and the screen still generates electrical noise, keeps the SBT warm and will shorten the life of the SBT. Another thing I miss, and I don't think its actually a TT3 feature, but the ability to manually set certain process priorities made the SBT operation more seamless - with factory priorities operations are slow and playing files of different sampling rates plays the next track at the wrong speed for a few seconds. With certain priorities upped, track changes with different sampling rates is instantaneous. HumanMedia's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44865 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103153 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Triode's USB 24/192 plug in - sound quality impressions
Turnandcough wrote: 1) Can I use the Touch USB output with an Audiophilleo? Do I need to install EDO? 2) Theoretically(or empirically) would this setup be an improvement on a straight coax out to coax in on my DAC 1. Yes and yes. 2. A definitely positive improvement for me. But I'm running the AP2 with the PurePower battery option which disconnects the USB power line and offers electrical isolation as well as clocking the data. HumanMedia's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44865 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94855 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Impedance Matching Squeezeboxen to DACs
cfraser wrote: ^ Tell me more!! Please. I have never heard of such an xfmr before, but I should have known they existed... The AES/EBU sounds better here too. Has an open-ness and a sense of the music coming out of infinite blackness; very noticeable when other DACs/inputs *don't* have it. I have not opened this DAC (years of warranty left) to see if I can tell why the AES/EBU sounds that extra notch better. Thanks. Here is the exact one I use. I have a hardwired standard Blue Jeans coax with bnc from the SBT connects straight into this and this plugs into the AES/EBU Dac input. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Canare-BCJ-XP-TRB-Digital-Audio-Format-Converter-Balun-XLR-Male-BNC-Female-/280892208028 HumanMedia's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44865 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95614 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Impedance Matching Squeezeboxen to DACs
I actually use a BNC to AES/EBU 75ohm To 110ohm impedance transformer to connect the hardwired 75ohm cable from my Touch to the AES/EBU input of my DAC. It sounds better than going from the 75ohm cable to the 50ohm RCA input. Maybe it's because of the impendance transformer instead of the abrupt change at the RCA, maybe it's because the AES/EBU input is a higher quality signal path than the RCA path. HumanMedia's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44865 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95614 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Currently uninstalled TT3 to make way for the 176 and 192khz out mod/app http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?94512-Announce-Enhanced-Digital-Output-app-USB-Dac-and-192k-Digital-Ouput Works well! Now for a compatible version of TT4(?) HumanMedia's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44865 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Phil Leigh;698494 Wrote: Whatever this is doing, it is NOT altering the data content (bit values) of the Bitstream. Digital audio simply doesn't work like that. It might be causing delays or disturbances in the throughput of the data, causing loss of clock sync in the DAC (scratching noises). That's just adding intolerable distortion to the replay chain! Agree completely. And what I think this indicates is that processes do have a bearing on signal timing, so what is the processing state that gives optimal timing? Is it Logitech stock or something else? -- HumanMedia HumanMedia's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44865 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
praganj;698232 Wrote: Has anybody tried TT 3.0 with the new 7.7.2 LMS and newest 7.7.2 SBT firmware version ? Has anyone tried the workaround for factory reset that worked for the 7.7.1 update? That is: 1) From the SBT console: tt -r 2) Reboot 3) Install update via SBT screen menu 4) From the SBT console: tt -i -- HumanMedia HumanMedia's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44865 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Duplicate post -- HumanMedia HumanMedia's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44865 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Phil Leigh;698331 Wrote: It is literally impossible to alter the data content of the bitstream in any way by these mods. Sorry. If that was happening, total cr@p could pour out of the speakers like deafening static which could shred your speakers in milliseconds. You can't alter the bitstream in any coherent/musical way without using carefully engineered DSP. A simple fact that seems to elude many hi-fi mags and some of their readers... Not completely true. In the tt sbt settings try raising the tcp buffers without a corresponding alsa priority increase - it will make the sound like a 1950s radio, you can also add clicks, pops and scratches which do not correct themselves over time. Choosing mismatched priorities can add artifacts, which can be changed and worsened to static well before the Dac loses lock. But you are right that within proper operating parameters that the digital steam should be fine. IMO the biggest things these tweaks do is put the internal switching power supplies in different states some of which create less electrical noise. Like putting a car in first gear creates more even higher pitched acoustic noise, or putting it into 3rd gear makes lower frequency noise which has larger frequency modulations. -- HumanMedia HumanMedia's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44865 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
jmschnur;698460 Wrote: To reset do I choose restore defaults or is there a button to push on the touch? J Restore defaults and a reboot avoids the need to push the rest button. But only if you are going from 7.7.0 or 7.7.1 to 7.7.2, otherwise its probably wise to do a factory reset by holding in the button above the power inlet for over 5 seconds. -- HumanMedia HumanMedia's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44865 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
I tried the new settings last night and they sound quite good. Initially i was getting dropouts at the start of tracks but that settled down after 3 or 4 tracks and doesn't happen now. However it was sunday night, which is acoustically and electrically quiet in the urban area i am in, plus I am running some other rather extreme but completely separate settings to test so maybe there is a combination effect happening that these new settings are not solely attributable for. I will keep running them over a few days and report back. And for the record, i definitely notice a positive effect with TT2 and TT3 but find TT3 default priorities uncomfortable and forced sounding. These settings sound different and better, so far anyway. Maybe they will fatigue after a while, lets see. -- HumanMedia HumanMedia's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44865 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
darrell;697445 Wrote: Might I suggest that the powers that be close this thread now? It is in severe danger of going round in circles, not for the first time. Those who are interested in these things would be able to continue their discussion on Soundcheck's blog, which is probably the best place for it. My vote is to keep it going, maybe its finally on track? - whats the harm? People who are not interested in the soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0 thread can easily skip clicking on the link - why else would they come in here anyway? As long as those who are still coming back to the thread keep things civil. -- HumanMedia HumanMedia's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44865 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What outboard DAC do you use with Squeezebox?
Mildly modded Touch - hardwired blue jeans coax with BNC - BNC modified Rega DAC -- HumanMedia HumanMedia's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44865 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72018 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
JohnSwenson;690949 Wrote: Klaus has grouped a bunch of changes together, some of which require a reboot and some which do not. It should be possible to run the ones which do not require a reeboot under Triode's framework. John S. Very few don't require a reboot. Yes you can change processes on the fly but this often leads to different results (from nothing to major audio artefacts like clicking) which don't occur with the same settings after a reboot (and process priorities set in boot order). A few processes re-prioritisations also sound immediately different as the buffer depletes, then the server/client renegotiate a connection up to a minute later and end up sounding very different to when they are first applied and the buffer is depleting. The few processes that do have an effect without reboot (almost never immediately - they seem to fade in) can be tested now (blind ABd even) with terminal macros. I spent my xmas break doing just that. -- HumanMedia HumanMedia's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44865 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Anyways, any Estimated Time of Arrival for TT4.0? -- HumanMedia HumanMedia's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44865 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
I personally haven't experienced any audible changes from changing server settings. But then my server is on a different AC circuit and far away from the player network. I am wondering if those experiencing differences have their servers on the same circuit? Reason being that personal computers spray out RFI big time both through the air and back into the AC power which could have an influence on the playback devices if they are anywhere in the near vicinity or even on the same AC power line. This could be a round-abouts way that network settings on the server could be influencing playback. -- HumanMedia HumanMedia's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44865 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
superbonham;688072 Wrote: And - at the risk of repeating myself - it's actually not us being sceptical about influences of server tweaks or ethernet cable magic that have to prove anything. The one claiming something that is not obvious has to provide evidence; the less obvious (or the more outlandish) the claim the more evidence must be provided to support the claim. These are just simple rules of logical/scientific reasoning. What is obvious is also subjective and may be completely contrary depending on which viewpoint you hold. And no one has to prove any claim. Or alternatively differing parties have equal responsibility (or no responsibility) for proving or disproving. -- HumanMedia HumanMedia's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44865 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Haha! More audiophile hilarity!
TheOctavist;687662 Wrote: http://www.synergisticresearch.com/tranquility-base/tranquility-base-2/ maybe I can put my old Mackie mixer and turn it into a neve?? http://www.machinadynamica.com/machina60.htm When I saw this topic title I thought why are you spending more of your life mocking the very point of this forum? When I saw it was about synergistic research, I couldn't help but smile as I agree that these guys are pure snake oil rip-off quackery. But can't you give it a rest? Or even actually contribute some real suggestions for people to improve audio quality? -- HumanMedia HumanMedia's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44865 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93352 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Haha! More audiophile hilarity!
Eriko;687704 Wrote: The people here who warn us that have little or no knowledge about various of the so called upgrades are IMO contributing a whole lot. Saved me lots of time, money and frustrationso a big thanks to those who give their time, expertise and experience and warn us Thats IF they are actually correct. And if they actually are correct and do have the knowledge, then that means nothing unless they communicate this in a cordial, constructive and educational way. Way too much hate and spitefulness around here recently. -- HumanMedia HumanMedia's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44865 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93352 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Ethernet Connection
Any suggestions on the location of the ferrites? As close to the end as possible, or a specific distance from the end? Also noticed while I was fishing around inside the SBT yesterday - the ethernet socket on the SBT does have small ground connections in it so that if a metal shell grounded plug is inserted, then the cable shield ground will be tied to the SBT's ground. Depending on your cable grounding strategy this can be a good or a bad thing. -- HumanMedia HumanMedia's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44865 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93316 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Ethernet Connection
Stratmangler;687719 Wrote: Avoid a network grounding strategy if you can - the pins on a Cat5e/Cat6 do not carry any ground connections (ie - everything floats) - that is done by the cable screen, if there is one. In most applications there is no need to screen the cable, it's for extreme conditions only, should they arise. Chris :) Yep the pins don't have a ground connection but the SBT headshell socket does. If you use a shielded cable that has shielded plugs which are tied to the cable shield, then that cable shield will in turn be tied to the SBT ground. This may increase the noise and interference inside the SBT rather than decrease it. As you suggest, use an ungrounded/unshielded ethernet cable (unless you really know what you are doing and it integrates with your specific ethernet grounding strategy) -- HumanMedia HumanMedia's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44865 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93316 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
darrell;687725 Wrote: Please, please, before this goes any further, let's establish a base point for the discussion. I suggest that we all agree that the data stream from the server, however transmitted (ethernet or wifi) is perfectly reconstructed in the buffer of the player (e.g. the Touch), regardless of server settings, cable choice, etc. Then, hopefully, we can have a meaningful discussion about other factors which might be audible. In my mind this must be uncorrelated noise in the system. Let's have some hypothesises for the origin of such noise, then, perhaps, we can get somewhere. I think we all agree on this and I think Phil had a quick summary of noise sources a few pages back: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=686276postcount=1415 Anyone have any more info or elaborations? -- HumanMedia HumanMedia's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44865 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How to improve the sound of your Squeezebox Touch
Kevin Haskins;685348 Wrote: The very best way to improve the sound of ANY Squeezebox Touch is to use better loudspeakers. Just my $0.02 And what if you already have great speakers? (in my case worth over 60 times what the SBT costs) Do you suggest to still keep improving the speakers? What do you do when you already have better speakers? -- HumanMedia HumanMedia's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44865 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93084 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How to improve the sound of your Squeezebox Touch
SBGK;685552 Wrote: in my orgy of covering things in tin foil I had wrapped about 5 inches round the ethernet cable coming out of the laptop. I was listening to the 24/96 Nirvana Nevermind and noticed that the sound had gone soft compared to the led zep I was listening to earlier. I checked my laptop and somewhere along the line I had removed the tin foil from the ethernet. Put it back on and the softness was gone, looks like that little bit of tin foil is shielding the cable from the laptop wireless, I guess. Just to check I stripped all the tinfoil from the squeezebox as well and there was much more softness to the sound, so added that back on and checked again, the little bit on the ethernet is definately making a difference. Back to full on grunge. I know you rationalists are going to poo poo this, but from my viewpoint it seems to work and this info might be useful to some kindred spirit. I have a similar finding and suggestion. I noticed that I would sometimes get a hard over pronounced treble that would be there for days, then go away for days. I finally found what caused it. I noticed that my un shielded analog cables out from my Dac were crossing the shielded digital interconnect coming in from the SBT. They were already only touching each other in a perpendicular fashion, but I separated them completely and that negative treble effect vanished! Touch them again and it was back. I think all of us here know the importance of keeping cables from running in parallel, but in some cases (like a digital interconnect carrying lots of high frequency signal with an unshielded analog cable) even having them cross each other can be bad. Immediately and demonstrably bad. So even though you might be always trying to keep cables away from each other and sources of noise, it's easy to move a component or cable in the forground and create an interference situation behind the rack out of sight. A simple and free tweak that made a considerable and surprising improvement. -- HumanMedia HumanMedia's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44865 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93084 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How to improve the sound of your Squeezebox Touch
mlsstl;685557 Wrote: There have been periods of time, often years, where I've improved nothing in my system and simply enjoyed my music collection. Just a thought ;-) I'm sure all of us here can say the same. But this is a specific discussion on how to make improvements, so I am trying to provide information on that topic. -- HumanMedia HumanMedia's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44865 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93084 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
magiccarpetride;684447 Wrote: So I took the plunge and applied the TT3.0 mods. What do you know, I could not hear any difference between the vanilla unmodded SBT and SBT with TT3.0 fully applied. Now I'm confused, why so much trepidation over some non-existent phantoms? You are joking right? You have been following this discussion daily for over a hundred pages, but hadn't even tried TT3.0? and now trolling? Because that would indicate some serious problems, and not with your Squeezebox. Nah - you almost had me there, of course you are just being tongue-in-cheek to get a rise from your friends. -- HumanMedia HumanMedia's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44865 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
My own particular settings that I've gone backward and forwards on and I'm happy with (at least for this week) are: * default logitech priorities * 4096 buffer * processes 'watchdog', IRQ-37, IRQ-8 killed on startup -- HumanMedia HumanMedia's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44865 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Jacky;684155 Wrote: Please explain us how actually come you on the buffer 4096? What has it to do with usual memory capacity? I do not see the relevance Jacky Its divisible by 64 (like 3200) so the buffer will most likely align with data word boundaries. -- HumanMedia HumanMedia's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44865 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
All this coax talk has given me BNC envy. Envious no more: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=683086postcount=10 -- HumanMedia HumanMedia's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44865 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Rather than weigh this thread down with hardware mod info, I have posted all the links I have on SBT hardware mods to the existing DIY hardware mod discussion: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?p=682713#post682713 -- HumanMedia HumanMedia's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44865 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Turnandcough;682372 Wrote: Removed optical and installed a Neutrik BNC with 75ohm silver hookup wire. First impressions - positive(smoother with more meat on bones). Next step - now that I'm comfortable with opening/closing the Touch case - transfer Bolder mods from old(defunct) SB to new one. Should be a relatively easy procedure but will require a VERY powerful magnifying glass. Not rushing into this one. Did you install a BNC socket into the SBT, or did you hard wire a cable to the touch? If you installed a socket, did you find a pcb mounted one that fits into the standoffs that the RCA plug leaves? Or did you simply solder the hookup wire into the pcb and have it exiting the chassis hole then attach the BNC to that? -- HumanMedia HumanMedia's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44865 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
And any photos of anyone's 3rd party mods are always appreciated. Wouldn't it be great to have photos of each different mod with cap values listed?? And which mods are the low hanging fruit ie easy to install with maximum benefits? - the coupling caps? -- HumanMedia HumanMedia's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44865 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Has anyone experienced this? When priority settings in the tt file have changed and after the SBT is rebooted with music playing, the music starts playing after a reboot, but stops playing after a minute or so - perhaps to renegotiate with the server? Anyways after the reboot and before the server renegotiation, the sound is the best I ever hear from the SBT for that minute or so, regardless of settings. When the settings come in to play after the music comes back, it never sounds as good as that minute or so after reboot. Anyone else experienced this? Why could it be so and what conditions are the SBT in at this time? Is it because all of the startup processes are maxing out the processor/power supply and hence a linear load condition? A depleted cache? What is it that creates this wonderful effect? Or is it just me and my system? -- HumanMedia HumanMedia's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44865 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
sckramer;681765 Wrote: Ok, you'll see from the circuit that it's right in parallel with the coax, always on, jst pulling power And radiating RFI -- HumanMedia HumanMedia's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44865 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
NoRoDa;681389 Wrote: Could anyone of the adults please answer my questions? Doesn't the TT3.0 work? Looks like the watchdog process is supposed to be killed but still people hear differences changing watchdog priorities? Strange? Well I'm sure the scripts work and kill the process at that point in time. However at the end of them running there is a watchdog process as listed by ps. So like a few of these processes which are killed, they can be spawned again by the system when needed like pid 154 and 155. Maybe the order in which the processes are started creates certain patterns of execution and for some reason having the system start up the watchdog after other processes has some audible effect. -- HumanMedia HumanMedia's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44865 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
SBGK;681413 Wrote: so the same mechanism that allowed you to copy the tar file, unpack it and then run tt -i doesn't allow you to navigate directories and edit files ? try googling winscp for mac, or run a windows emulator The Mac has 'Terminal' that comes with the system, no need for any additional software, it's all there out of the box. I use the built in 'vi' editor to do my edits on a Mac. -- HumanMedia HumanMedia's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44865 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
SBGK;680922 Wrote: wouldn't try these, something happened when I did tt -k, producing buzzing noise, which is why i removed these settings from the thread Works well here. I've noticed that many settings cause problem when set on the fly, but are perfectly fine when run in the script. Try it again, just in the script, with volume down of course. -- HumanMedia HumanMedia's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44865 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
SBGK;680930 Wrote: are you really recommending these settings ? looks like you have just set everything to 0, it's not that simple. Yes. Doesn't take long to try them. -- HumanMedia HumanMedia's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44865 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
$PRIOIRQ42 $PIDIRQ42 /dev/null 21 chrt -o -p $PRIOIRQ41 $PIDIRQ41 /dev/null 21 chrt -o -p $PRIOIRQ22 $PIDIRQ22 /dev/null 21 chrt -o -p $PRIOIRQ57 $PIDIRQ57 /dev/null 21 chrt -o -p $PRIOIRQ33 $PIDIRQ33 /dev/null 21 chrt -o -p $PRIOIRQ122 $PIDIRQ122 /dev/null 21 chrt -o -p $PRIOIRQ17 $PIDIRQ17 /dev/null 21 chrt -o -p $PRIOIRQ123 $PIDIRQ123 /dev/null 21 chrt -o -p $PRIOIRQ7 $PIDIRQ7 /dev/null 21 chrt -o -p $PRIOIRQ102 $PIDIRQ102 /dev/null 21 chrt -o -p $PRIOIRQ8 $PIDIRQ8 /dev/null 21 chrt -o -p $PRIOIRQ11 $PIDIRQ11 /dev/null 21 chrt -o -p $PRIOIRQ12 $PIDIRQ12 /dev/null 21 chrt -o -p $PRIOIRQ45 $PIDIRQ45 /dev/null 21 -- HumanMedia HumanMedia's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44865 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Jacky;680474 Wrote: Please check whether one of your channel is slightly louder than the other one, particular in the treble range if one completely hear near at the loudspeaker: whether it has something to do with the TT3? Jacky I found that using too small a buffer size can push roughness in the left channel. Why the left channel I don't know. (maybe decreasing buffer size increases a noise source inside the SBT closer to a left channel audio trace) -- HumanMedia HumanMedia's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44865 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Im not sure I understand either. We are using the TT3 with its optimizations, but with a complete set of default priorities including all the non-essential processes (that previously we disabled) re-enabled and running as well? Conceptually the first version of the page 62 settings (with default priorities for essential processes and non-essential processes stopped) seemed more logical. Regardless, ill try your latest. Then I'll compare to the first version of the page 62 settings which were sounding really good yesterday. -- HumanMedia HumanMedia's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44865 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
SBGK;679535 Wrote: yep, run out of things to adjust. it is now the same as out of the box SBT, but with TT3.0. amazing difference TT3.0 makes to the sound, congrats to Klaus again. cheers Just checked the latest update to page 62 values - are all of the priority assignments supposed to be commented out? I tried the first version on page 62 and it was great, best I've heard from the SBT, but I haven't tried the latest revision but something doesn't appear right having the second list commented out rather than set to zero? Does reactivating all of the priorities really sound better? (I cant check myself until later today) -- HumanMedia HumanMedia's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44865 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
After not achieving a good sound from modulating around TT3 and you last set of priorities for it, this was to be my next project! Now for some re-listening. Thanks for the present! -- HumanMedia HumanMedia's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44865 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Yes, I'm preferring this latest set of priorities. Tried the dynadiorules changes on top of them, but these defaults sound best so far (with all non essentials turned off) I set buffer back to 3200, but things sounded a little compressed, so back to 4096 which sounds larger and more voluminous. -- HumanMedia HumanMedia's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44865 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
I have had a similar experience. Here is what happened with me. I entered the latest SBGK values into TT with a buffer size of 3200. As usual better bass and midrange but same hashy/wet lower treble and slight congestion across the soundstage that has always been with me for TT3, but not TT2 with the last set of Dynaudiorules values. Then I made the following changes, set the buffer to 4000, rebooted and changed the following priorities manually. chrt -f -p 40 154 chrt -f -p 40 155 chrt -f -p 40 367 But I kept process 99 (IRQ-14) at 39. The hashy lower treble was gone, with razor sharp definition but not hashy, splashy or overemphasis and the soundstage was clearer and more defined. The overall effect was almost a relief and sounded right in a way that TT3 has never sounded for me. I listened in disbelief for two hours, not quite accepting that it was the settings and thinking that maybe my electrical grid was somehow clean from everyone being out of their homes and partying elsewhere. Then I thought thta maybe I could get it sounding even better and manually set process 49 (IRQ-34) to 40. A mistake. The SBT hung and I had to reboot it. After rebooting I set the priority values as above - but it was back to the wet hashy treble sound. Even though I could step through my terminal log and replicate the values exactly, the sound was not the same. Here is what I concluded before I caught up with this thread today - that the buffer value is somehow intrinsically linked to the process values. Change the buffer values and some priorities need to be changed to work with it. Change the priorities and the buffer needs to be changed to fit. Also maybe the order the process priorities were set also has an effect? Maybe one of the values didnt get set to a new value or was stuck. Anyway Im going down now to do some more tests, but I think we close to cracking it. cfraser;679126 Wrote: Thanks for comments. I will try to look into what's going on over the next few days as events allow. I was too captivated by the music last night to try to analyze what the problem might have been. Oh yeah, I just remembered that there *was* another change from how I normally have TT3.0 configured: I changed the buffer size to 3200 per SBGK's setup in his own system. I have been running with 4000 since TT2.0, and I don't recall why I was using that value as I never got any of the noise you might associate with too small a buffer. I could go on and on about the SQ last night. One other aspect that was very noticeable was an increased soundstage width (when appropriate...vocals were still very localized and didn't sound like coming from a 1m wide mouth), and also it was moved forward. One of the things that the BDA-1 DAC does, here, is it tends to flatten the soundstage a bit, speaking depth-wise, noticeable with Maggies anyway and nicely restored by the priority mods. I was sometimes surrounded by music more akin to from my turntable, except maybe even better and certainly much more convenient. -- HumanMedia HumanMedia's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44865 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Thanks, will try this as well. -- HumanMedia HumanMedia's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44865 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
SBGK;678302 Wrote: try the updated ones in the post above, works for me. Tried your last posted set of values in the tt file. In my system, too much lower treble energy and not in a good way. Started slowly stepping back towards the tt3 defaults and I have something better suited to my system. *TT3 installed *volLock manually switched on *All SBGK priorities implemented as per the last posting, EXCEPT - PRIOWATCHDOG active and at the TT3 default of 30 - No change to process 154 - No change to process 155 This is sounding a little more natural to me. -- HumanMedia HumanMedia's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44865 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
One of the additional steps in Dynaudiorules tweak is that the samba startup code in the was commented out, stopping samba from starting. Just checking thats been incorporated as well? (Im guessing that it may be might of those processes thats been nulled?) -- HumanMedia HumanMedia's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44865 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Questions regarding the process priorities we are configuring in the tt file. After editing the changes into the tt file, saving and rebooting: 1. Setting the watchdog priority to 0 in the file (PRIOWATCHDOG=0) does nothing and the priority remains 99. 2. Same with setting PRIOIRQ42=0, IRQ remains with a priority of 40 after restart regardless 3. Same with setting PRIOIRQ37=0, IRQ remains with a priority of 40 after restart regardless 4. pdflush 154 155 - what do these do? what is the concept behind changing them? and why is my sound better if I disable them completely? Thoughts FYI my goals are to get the music through with the least amount of interference by the SBT. What Im worried about is that these tweaks are being guided to compensate for tonal imbalances elsewhere our my system, by adding energy (most likely jitter, power supply noise or distortion) to parts of the frequency range. IMO these process values should be all about reducing these aspects first not making them worse for quick tonal changes. All of these current tweaks are also based on the TT3 default core process priorities. Im wondering if there could be a far better set of core process priorities to tweak on top of. Also wondering if the process priorities can be determined by setting them based on a scope waveform to get the cleanest digital signal first, with the least jitter and waveform skew, then fine then by ear? -- HumanMedia HumanMedia's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44865 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
And a big thanks for the info. I can set pid 13 to manually but if I set the variable PRIOWATCHDOG to 0 in the script it has no effect on the priority(!?) Ah - I see im using the -f flag not the -o ! Back to 'vi' and some new listening tests. SBGK;678620 Wrote: 1. chrt -o -p 0 13 required, I get more detail. 2. this was the first setting I set to 0, it is the usb process, again require chrt -o -p 0 ??, made a difference to me and this started the whole priority setting mods. 3. pdflush at 0 on my system is not as detailed or revealing as at fifo 98, I am judging that this is a good thing as it produces outrageous levels of detail in my system. the effect of this is that compressed cd sources, modern cds that are engineered loud and bad recordings really sound bad, while good airy cds and hirez make it sound like the musicians are in the same room. anyway this is a toolkit and you can have super revealing and forward sound or something more relaxed, less detail and more tolerant of different quality of sources, I prefer the former. here are the differences I get buffer - how revealing do you want the sound ? 3200 most revealing pdflush - how forward and detailed do you want the sound ? 98 ok for me, 99 too much irq14 and irq47 - what balance do you want between bass, mid and top, found 39 for both ok for me, higher equals more bias towards bass. tried setting watchdog to fifo 30, but this gave a smoother less detailed sound, not convinced, Soundcheck also recommended setting it to 0 - not sure if he still advises it. my system tends towards a lean sound thanks to the dac, but is already very dynamic, so rather than adding energy I would suspect that on less resolving systems the sound may sound flat. all hi fi is about compromise and each component has its own influence. my aim was to get as neutral and detailed, but listenable sound as possible. these changes are not about tone for me, they are about detail, balance and a dynamic sound, anyway it sounds good - thats the main thing. hope this helps -- HumanMedia HumanMedia's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44865 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
I agree. TT2.0 with the FINAL set of Dynaudio mods gave the finest, most delicate natural high frequencies. In comparison TT3.0, even with all of the non-essential processes deprioritized, has better bass and mid range - but has rougher crunchy highs. As far as I can remember these were the Dynaudio values that gave the best result on top of TT2.0: chrt -f -p 93 $aud1 /dev/null chrt -f -p 91 $aud2 /dev/null chrt -f -p 51 $spdif /dev/null chrt -f -p 87 $rtc /dev/null RGibran;677628 Wrote: With so many variables, describing sound qualities that would have any meaningful relation to what another is experiencing seems futile. Only overall generalizations can be made, IMHO. TT2.0 with Dyno mods had an organic and palpable presence that was undeniable. One was immediately struck by this from the first note of every listening session. This is no longer present in TT3.0 IMHO. YMMV Tweak on RG -- HumanMedia HumanMedia's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44865 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
SBGK;676825 Wrote: having tried various types of music I am back to the settings suggested by Soundcheck which are below, so might as well wait for next release. SBGK - thanks for your work. I tried the majority of your process reassignments manually (but can only get to priority 1 on the command line) plus a SPDIF prioriy of 80 (was using 51, but 80 seems better) and there was definitely a better sense of space. The high frequencies also seemed improved but this was not consistent and had varying effects on some tracks and hirez material, but overall another small, but welcome improvement. -- HumanMedia HumanMedia's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44865 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
SBGK;674868 Wrote: I initially thought TT 3.0 was fantastic, but after a few days it was really giving me a headache with the digital and forward sound, screeching guitars etc. Have tried all combinations of buffer and SPDIF priority and think I have now got a sound which sounds totally natural and easy to listen to. It is totally ruthless and will present the music as produced. The settings I have now are buffer 3400 and SPDIF priority set to 01. The sound is open, detailed, bass where it should be, sounds like the musicians are in the same room. No digital sound and am enjoying listening to my music again. Just thought I would pass this on. I have been happy with an 80 priority on SPDIF (up from 51), but never dawned on me to try lower. Did you 'manually' set the volLock mod on? (in my setup doing this makes TT listenable, so default settings not so much) -- HumanMedia HumanMedia's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44865 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] help me find linear power supply for Touch?
All great info, thanks. -- HumanMedia HumanMedia's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44865 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91383 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] help me find linear power supply for Touch?
Thanks for the info. So a choke is ideally in series with the positive line after rectification but before regulation? Can one be added externally to the output of an existing power supply? Trying to think of some shortcuts here without having to completely DIY one. What ? No shortcuts? DIY or buy and move on? -- HumanMedia HumanMedia's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44865 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91383 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] help me find linear power supply for Touch?
JohnSwenson;670160 Wrote: This is one of my big issues with a lot of linear supplies. The design I have posted on these forums uses a CLC filter which loads the transformer with an almost pure sine current load. It also feeds pure 120Hz to the regulator which makes it's job MUCH easier, it doesn't have to deal with all those high frequency harmonics. John S. Anyplace we can buy (not DIY) a supply built to your design? Or what commercially available products are decent/reasonable, in your opinion? Any other recommendations from anyone? -- HumanMedia HumanMedia's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44865 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91383 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Any suggestions on sourcing a cheap, quality replacement power supply for an Apple Airport Extreme Basestation (12v 1.8A - input 240v)? -- HumanMedia HumanMedia's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44865 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
HumanMedia;670796 Wrote: Any suggestions on sourcing a cheap, quality replacement power supply for an Apple Airport Extreme Basestation (12v 1.8A - input 240v)? Hmm after a bit of searching I found this, which appears to fit the bill: http://www.voltageconversion.co.uk/store/product.php?productid=16205cat=0page=2 Need a connection cable made for it (not an issue) Will it be an improvement over the Apple supply tho? Hmmm. -- HumanMedia HumanMedia's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44865 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Rega DAC - Has anyone auditioned one yet?
BNC input mod: http://www.stereo.net.au/forums/showthread.php/30510-Rega-DAC-Logical-step-up-from-Cambridge-Audio-DacMagic?p=613444viewfull=1#post613444 -- HumanMedia HumanMedia's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44865 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84783 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Switching on the new vollock (not on by default) definitely makes it sound more relaxed and neutral. Another one to try. -- HumanMedia HumanMedia's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44865 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
soundcheck;667394 Wrote: +1 ;) In fact you should make that one 'on' by default, it sounds as though every thing else is voiced to having it on. Seems to flesh out the midrange. -- HumanMedia HumanMedia's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44865 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Get your point about switching vollock lock to on. For me it's become mandatory part of tt3 Before I tried it I was using spdif priority of 80 (up from 51) and it was definitely smoother on the top end, BUT now with vollock on it makes little difference. As you say it's very handy being able to change everything remotely via iPad whilst sitting in my sweet spot listening to the effect. -- HumanMedia HumanMedia's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44865 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Get your point about switching vollock lock to on. For me it's become mandatory part of tt3 Before I tried it I was using spdif priority of 80 (up from 51) and it was definitely smoother on the top end, BUT now with vollock on it makes little difference. As you say it's very handy being able to change everything remotely via iPad whilst sitting in my sweet spot listening to the effect. -- HumanMedia HumanMedia's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44865 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0
Huge thanks Klaus! Installed and donation made. What is the recommended version of server to use? I use the latest official 7.6.1 (and I am using all Flac so no disappearing files), but is there any other benefit using the latest nightly 7.6.2 build? -- HumanMedia HumanMedia's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44865 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84742 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0
Assuming you have tt 3.0 installed, try changing the priority of the spdif process to 51. chrt -f -p 51 367 Is it just me and my setup, or does this improve things further? (softer more natural highs) -- HumanMedia HumanMedia's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44865 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84742 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0
Jeff Flowerday;667148 Wrote: Is it me or does the bass seem reduced a little with 3.0? I'm just wondering if this new definition and clarity we are are all hearing is coming at a price of losing some bottom end and fullness. I've found that bass seems better, or at least fuller, with tt3 I've also changed my buffer to 4000 (as well as the process tweak above) No clicks at the default, but its a little smoother sounding for me at 4000 It was the same for me using tt2 -- HumanMedia HumanMedia's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44865 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84742 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Squeezebox Touch Mod
Brilliant! Thanks JohnS and Lintweaker. Thats script works for me. Although my variant sets spdif to my new preferred value: 40 Yep no change at all to spdif! This sounds the most natural, organic and right. And even with a spdif at 40 jive_alsa at 55 sounds better I also keep the usual: chrt -f -p 93 11 chrt -f -p 91 5 chrt -f -p 87 407 -- HumanMedia HumanMedia's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44865 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=89359 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Squeezebox Touch Mod
peber;651005 Wrote: Yup. I just noticed it when I went up to 51 from 44... So I'll try 48 now... ;) /Per So you guys are all findng this is an issue even with jive_alsa set to 55? -- HumanMedia HumanMedia's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44865 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=89359 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Squeezebox Touch Mod
bobertuk;650511 Wrote: How can I check that the change has been applied? ps -eLo pid,cls,rtprio,pri,nice,cmd -- HumanMedia HumanMedia's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44865 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=89359 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Squeezebox Touch Mod
Confirming that upping the jive_alsa to 55, makes a spfdif priority of 51, not only listenable but the best combo yet. How about all of those processses at 40, what are they doing and could some of them be DEcreased to give improvements to the audible processes? -- HumanMedia HumanMedia's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44865 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=89359 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Squeezebox Touch Mod
lcrim;650512 Wrote: OK, I'll ask the question again. I am not using the spdif output on my Touches, should I alter the last five lines in the rCs file to gain the advantages that this mod is capable of bringing. I tried it with the spdif entry at 59 and even though I'm not using the spdif and it is shut off by the Souncheck TT 2.0 mods, It sounded a bit harsher and I lowered the level to 40. Now I don't discern any difference with the entries there or not. I'm not the greatest linux user but I'm not a beginner either. But I am in need of some guidance here, please. Larry If you aren't using spdif output then comment out or delete that single line from the four that were added in the rcs file, and try running with the rest -- HumanMedia HumanMedia's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44865 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=89359 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Squeezebox Touch Mod
The more I listen the more fatigueing increased SPDIF values are. The more I reduce it the more natural it sounds. The effect seems to switch off at 40 and the sound flattens. I'm now trying 42 and I can't handle any more. Increasing the value seems to add energy to a narrow band of treble which has a side effect of adding more of a sense of space and soundstage, which in turn makes it easier to overlook the new treble edgyness. Going into another room and listening makes it easier to evaluate what is happening frequency wise as the spatial effect is not distracting and hearing the edgy narrow band of treble is made easier. So now 42 is the most ill use now as the spatial effect is still there with the fewest frequency issues. Maybe I'll get fatigued by even that setting and will revert to using 40 (off?) -- HumanMedia HumanMedia's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44865 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=89359 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Squeezebox Touch Mod
dynaudiorules;647674 Wrote: Would be nice if we had a 3rd party app that provided a few different filter settings that toggled the spdif valuesay 44, 48, 53, 59 for example. I don't know about you but if I have music playing while I change the value I can actually hear the difference fade in... One thing about this mod is that it is clearly audible. Pretty amazing stuff. I wonder if there is anyway of calibrating the SPDIF value to a reference measurement? An 'autofocus' would be great. I wonder what aspect of the signal changes from this sfdif value change? I'm finding that the best value for me is somewhere above 48 and below 51 ?! -- HumanMedia HumanMedia's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44865 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=89359 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0
Apparently TouchToolbox 3 does contain optimizations for process priorities... -- HumanMedia HumanMedia's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44865 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84742 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0
Any chance of collaborating with dynaudiorules and rolling his tweaks into TouchToolbox 3.0? -- HumanMedia HumanMedia's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44865 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84742 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0
Huge thanks CAAD. This will be my next project. -- HumanMedia HumanMedia's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44865 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84742 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0
Oh anyone know where I can find the discussion thread soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0? Ive done a search and cant find it, but it must be here somewhere??? ;-D -- HumanMedia HumanMedia's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44865 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84742 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0
Are the Touch Toolbox mods compatible with the newly released 7.6 Server? -- HumanMedia HumanMedia's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44865 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84742 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Rega DAC - Has anyone auditioned one yet?
My findings mirror yours exactly. Belden cord with adapter brought a good improvement. Sound opens up a liitle more after 5 weeks or so. I found that putting a new iec connector on the power cable and floating the shield at the DAC end of the cord also made the sound more relaxed. Now, I don't want to derail the thread with this tweak and the jury is still out until I remove the tweak and see if the sound changes, but it involves putting about half a pound of piezoelectric pink quartz rough in small bags on and around the AC adapter plug and between the adapter/cord and the RCA interconnects. I also covered the top of my Squeezebox linear power supply. It seems to have smoothed the high frequencies and brought the midrange and bass forward with a nice warmth. Maybe more of an effect than the power cord alone and complementary with the power cord effect. If you want to discuss or discredit or learn more about this there are many threads on this tweak over at audioasylum.com, don't do it here. But for those with an open mind about this tweak, it seems to work well with the Rega DAC. -- HumanMedia HumanMedia's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44865 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84783 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] S-Booster
Tom186, I'm greatly appreciating your findings. Keep the info coming. -- HumanMedia HumanMedia's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44865 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=81454 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Rega DAC - Has anyone auditioned one yet?
rgro;621809 Wrote: Will give it a good audition/listen when it arrives. It'll be really interesting to compare it to the DacMagic---upsampling vs. non is just one of a number of differences I'm interested in evaluating. You may be interested in this discussion http://www.stereo.net.au/forums/showthread.php/30510-Rega-DAC-Logical-step-up-from-Cambridge-Audio-DacMagic -- HumanMedia HumanMedia's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44865 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84783 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Rega DAC - Has anyone auditioned one yet?
I'm loving the SBT and Rega DAC combo. One tweak I discovered last night is that the DAC seems a little sensitive to the stock SBT power supply. I had them both on the same power board filtered from the mains. I then moved the SBT power supply to a separate filtered power board so the Rega DAC was completely isolated - lower treble became much less pronounced and natural, and the midrange seems more relaxed, present and less patchy. I was quite surprised that the SBT power supply was affecting the DAC so much. I also assume that switching power supplies like computers etc and any sort of wall wart need to be isolated from the Rega for best performance. And that the stock Touch power supply isn't that great for neighboring equipment. I am now waiting on a replacement linear supply so I can get the SBT stock out of the system altogether. -- HumanMedia HumanMedia's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44865 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84783 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Awesome news -- got my S-Booster
Phil Leigh;620363 Wrote: I love the way that website carefully avoids explaining how it works its magic... From memory the site mentions that it uses a (ferrite) choke and (a series of) capacitors (in parallel). -- HumanMedia HumanMedia's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44865 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86542 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
