[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New WIKI - Connecting SB3/Transporter directly to an Amplifier w/o Preamp
Eric Carroll;174361 Wrote: In your page you reference the calculator spreadsheet, but I think that was a forum posting attachment, wasn't it? Its not in linked in the wiki page. The spreadsheet is an attachment to the wiki, called atten_calc.xls. The attachments are listed at the top left, and I thought it was enough to mention it. But I've now added a direct link in the text of the page. -- cliveb Performers - dozens of mixers and effects - clipped/hypercompressed mastering - you think a few extra ps of jitter matters? cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31796 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New WIKI - Connecting SB3/Transporter directly to an Amplifier w/o Preamp
Skunk;174363 Wrote: Surely they meant 10K ohms?QUOTE] there's a lesson here, the web site information is completely wrong, i downloaded the manual and it gives the impedance as 11Kohms -- Limping_Pylon Limping_Pylon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8086 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31796 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New WIKI - Connecting SB3/Transporter directly to an Amplifier w/o Preamp
Thanks! So what more do we need on the wiki? -- Eric Carroll Transporter-Bryston 3B SST-Paradigm Reference Studio 60 v.4 SB3-Rotel RB890-BW Matrix 805 SB3-Pioneer VSX-49TXi-Mirage OM7+C2+R2 Eric Carroll's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9293 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31796 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New WIKI - Connecting SB3/Transporter directly to an Amplifier w/o Preamp
Thanks for the article, great info. Are there any considerations that need to be given to the power amps rated input impedance vs the Transporters? for instance I am considering an amp. has an input impedance of 10 ohms (so says the spec. sheet) but it doesn't give the input sensitivity... -- Limping_Pylon Limping_Pylon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8086 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31796 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New WIKI - Connecting SB3/Transporter directly to an Amplifier w/o Preamp
cliveb;172274 Wrote: Comments and corrections gratefully received. Cliveb, In your page you reference the calculator spreadsheet, but I think that was a forum posting attachment, wasn't it? Its not in linked in the wiki page. If I can find the forum posting I will edit in the link to it, or you can... -- Eric Carroll Transporter-Bryston 3B SST-Paradigm Reference Studio 60 v.4 SB3-Rotel RB890-BW Matrix 805 SB3-Pioneer VSX-49TXi-Mirage OM7+C2+R2 Eric Carroll's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9293 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31796 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New WIKI - Connecting SB3/Transporter directly to an Amplifier w/o Preamp
Limping_Pylon;174321 Wrote: for instance I am considering an amp. has an input impedance of 10 ohms (so says the spec. sheet) but it doesn't give the input sensitivity... Surely they meant 10K ohms? I've yet to see anyone mention this California based attenuator manufacturer: http://www.goldpt.com/index.html . They're pretty expensive if you have them make a box and put a knob on it though. -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31796 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New WIKI - Connecting SB3/Transporter directly to an Amplifier w/o Preamp
Skunk;174363 Wrote: They're pretty expensive if you have them make a box and put a knob on it though. I added it to the list but wow, they took my breath away on the cost of the ganged pot in a box. -- Eric Carroll Transporter-Bryston 3B SST-Paradigm Reference Studio 60 v.4 SB3-Rotel RB890-BW Matrix 805 SB3-Pioneer VSX-49TXi-Mirage OM7+C2+R2 Eric Carroll's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9293 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31796 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New WIKI - Connecting SB3/Transporter directly to an Amplifier w/o Preamp
Eric Carroll;174365 Wrote: I added it to the list but wow, they took my breath away on the cost of the ganged pot in a box. And reading their web site I still haven't figured out how much attenuation you can get... its gotta be there somewhere. In their defense, it's all open source: http://www.goldpt.com/diy.html -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31796 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New WIKI - Connecting SB3/Transporter directly to an Amplifier w/o Preamp
Skunk;174369 Wrote: In their defense, it's all open source: http://www.goldpt.com/diy.html Ya I found their attenuation list here: http://www.goldpt.com/info.html Nice looking stepped pot box, stunning price. -- Eric Carroll Transporter-Bryston 3B SST-Paradigm Reference Studio 60 v.4 SB3-Rotel RB890-BW Matrix 805 SB3-Pioneer VSX-49TXi-Mirage OM7+C2+R2 Eric Carroll's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9293 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31796 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New WIKI - Connecting SB3/Transporter directly to an Amplifier w/o Preamp
Eric Carroll;172077 Wrote: Ya, I was thinking about adding a Transporter section at the bottom. Mark, is that ok? Hi Eric: I saw how you did this - good job. There's a clear link to follow for Transporter users and it doesn't clutter up the page mostly used by Squeezebox users. Nice! -- Mark Lanctot It's like, you know, a New Age religion, but with better treble response. - Jon Heal Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31796 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New WIKI - Connecting SB3/Transporter directly to an Amplifier w/o Preamp
Eric Carroll;171975 Wrote: Its a Wiki! Edit away! The only question I have is if it belongs inline in the page I wrote or if you should create two new pages for the topics and link them in on a phrase. I am thinking the latter as its a long page already. OK, thanks. I sort of understand the community authoring philosophy of wikis, but I still feel uneasy about editing someone else's work. So, I've created two new pages: DIYPassiveAttenuation (http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.cgi?DIYPassiveAttenuation) and BalancedPowerAmps (http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.cgi?BalancedPowerAmps), and have added links to them on your ConnectToPowerAmp page. Comments and corrections gratefully received. -- cliveb Performers - dozens of mixers and effects - clipped/hypercompressed mastering - you think a few extra ps of jitter matters? cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31796 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New WIKI - Connecting SB3/Transporter directly to an Amplifier w/o Preamp
Eric Carroll;171426 Wrote: I have written a new Wiki page: ConnectToPowerAmp http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.cgi?ConnectToPowerAmp I feel that I have a couple of things to contribute: 1. Discussion of adding DIY passive attenuation - I can supply an Excel spreadsheet to help choosing suitable resistor values. 2. Discussion of connecting SB unbalanced output to a balanced input - there are grounding issues with some power amps. How would you like me to go about this: edit the wiki directly, or send you my suggested text? -- cliveb Performers - dozens of mixers and effects - clipped/hypercompressed mastering - you think a few extra ps of jitter matters? cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31796 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New WIKI - Connecting SB3/Transporter directly to an Amplifier w/o Preamp
I hope this isn't off topic, but something I noticed on the Rothwell site is a claimed 10db SNR improvement by using the balanced attenuators between a preamp and amp*. Wouldn't that be impossible if the preamp had an analog volume control? Maybe the reason it seems on-topic is because of the great alternative Clive posted. *Although the attenuators can be used on the inputs of the pre-amp in exactly the same way as they would be used on an integrated amp (with the same benefits), alternatively they can be used between the pre-amp and the power amp to even greater effect. When used this way, not only is system gain reduced by 10dB, but the signal to noise ratio is improved by 10dB. -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31796 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New WIKI - Connecting SB3/Transporter directly to an Amplifier w/o Preamp
Skunk;171911 Wrote: I hope this isn't off topic, but something I noticed on the Rothwell site is a claimed 10db SNR improvement by using the balanced attenuators between a preamp and amp*. *Although the attenuators can be used on the inputs of the pre-amp in exactly the same way as they would be used on an integrated amp (with the same benefits), alternatively they can be used between the pre-amp and the power amp to even greater effect. When used this way, not only is system gain reduced by 10dB, but the signal to noise ratio is improved by 10dB. I think what Rothwell are trying to point out is that by adding the attenuators after the preamp, you reduce the noise of the preamp along with the signal, whereas if you put them before the preamp, you reduce the incoming signal and then get the preamp's noise added. There are only two reasons I can think of why you'd ever want to put attenuators in front of a preamp: 1. The source component has such a high output that it overloads the preamp input circuitry. 2. Although the input isn't overloaded, the output gets to its maximum possible at very low volume control settings. In this case using an attenuator would allow a more reasonable range of use for the volume control. Apart from these situations, I can't see any reason to put attenuators in front of the preamp. It nearly always make more sense to put them in front of the power amp. -- cliveb Performers - dozens of mixers and effects - clipped/hypercompressed mastering - you think a few extra ps of jitter matters? cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31796 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New WIKI - Connecting SB3/Transporter directly to an Amplifier w/o Preamp
cliveb;171822 Wrote: How would you like me to go about this: edit the wiki directly, or send you my suggested text? Clive, Its a Wiki! Edit away! Eric -- Eric Carroll Eric Carroll's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9293 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31796 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New WIKI - Connecting SB3/Transporter directly to an Amplifier w/o Preamp
ceejay;171697 Wrote: Well the first page is the BeginnersGuide and it is meant to be just the headlines with shortcuts to the pages with more info. The BeginnersGuideOverview goes into more detail and is intended to be readable in its own right. I did start to draft a paragraph to go in the Overview page but quickly formed the view that actually we need a page along the lines of BeginnersGuideToConnections, or similar, which could cover - what the analog and digital outputs are for and some of the advantages of each (this comes up quite a lot in the Forums) - connecting into a integrated audio amplifier - connecting directly to a power amplifier (xref to poweramp page) - connecting into an AV receiver (xref to AVReceivers page) - connecting to a DAC Then I'd have a short paragraph in the BeginnersGuideOverview page along the lines of you need to conenct the outputs of your Squeezebox to the inputs of your audio amplifier in just the same way that you now would connect a CD player. There are several advanced options, however, which are discussed here. (link to new page) Anyone feeling bold? Ceejay Done, see here: http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.cgi?BeginnersGuideToConnecting I linked to it from the Beginner's Guide and the Beginner's Guide overview. I also created some subpages, some of which tread into religious war territory, so I tried to be as neutral as possible. I did not mention the Transporter or anything to do with the inputs/outputs that only the Transporter has. This it the beginner's guide after all, and anyone buying a Transporter is no beginner. -- Mark Lanctot It's like, you know, a New Age religion, but with better treble response. - Jon Heal Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31796 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New WIKI - Connecting SB3/Transporter directly to an Amplifier w/o Preamp
Great idea and post. I am currently checking out new power amps and speaker combinations so you timing is good. My Transporter has the three built in attenuation levels on the unbalanced outputs, can you add some information on what the output levels would be at each of the settings? -- Limping_Pylon Limping_Pylon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8086 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31796 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New WIKI - Connecting SB3/Transporter directly to an Amplifier w/o Preamp
Thanks for the question, I will add the answer to ConnectoToPowerAmp page. -- Eric Carroll Eric Carroll's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9293 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31796 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New WIKI - Connecting SB3/Transporter directly to an Amplifier w/o Preamp
Hi Eric. If you read the references, in order, they all lead up to making the last one seem outdated (it's almost 2yo). E.g. the volume control in the DAC *is* used now, which is precisely the point of the more recent link directly above it. -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31796 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New WIKI - Connecting SB3/Transporter directly to an Amplifier w/o Preamp
Eric Carroll;171975 Wrote: I will probably create a ConnectToPreAmp page too to discuss that issue and link it in to the beginner's page (depending on what MarkL does per abive). This would mesh perfectly if you turned analog point 10 into a big hyperlink like I did with points 8 and 9. -- Mark Lanctot It's like, you know, a New Age religion, but with better treble response. - Jon Heal Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31796 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New WIKI - Connecting SB3/Transporter directly to an Amplifier w/o Preamp
Skunk;172059 Wrote: Hi Eric. If you read the references, in order, they all lead up to making the last one seem outdated (it's almost 2yo). E.g. the volume control in the DAC *is* used now, which is precisely the point of the more recent link directly above it. Sorry, maybe its just the hour, but I didn't understand this comment. Could you clarify? which page are you refering to and what is the problem? Happy to fix it, I just want to be clear on the issue. -- Eric Carroll Eric Carroll's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9293 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31796 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New WIKI - Connecting SB3/Transporter directly to an Amplifier w/o Preamp
Mark nice work... I think the only point I'd want to debate is your assumption that we don't need to cover the Transporter as their owners are unlikely to be beginners: not beginners in audio, almost certainly, but could easily be complete novices in slimserver or computer based audio. Ceejay -- ceejay ceejay's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=148 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31796 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New WIKI - Connecting SB3/Transporter directly to an Amplifier w/o Preamp
Ya, I was thinking about adding a Transporter section at the bottom. Mark, is that ok? -- Eric Carroll Eric Carroll's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9293 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31796 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New WIKI - Connecting SB3/Transporter directly to an Amplifier w/o Preamp
Skunk;172059 Wrote: Hi Eric. If you read the references, in order, they all lead up to making the last one seem outdated (it's almost 2yo). E.g. the volume control in the DAC *is* used now, which is precisely the point of the more recent link directly above it. Are you sure about that? My understanding is that PREAMP volume control is implemented in the DAC, but VOLUME control is implemented in the CPU. If you have any forum citations to clarify this I would appreciate them. I reordered the references to make the reading flow a bit more, but I believe the above is still true. Please let me know if I missed something; trolling the forums is rather hard and i have not been here for all the previous conversations. Since I haven't been in this forum long if you are sure I will remove the confusing references. -- Eric Carroll Eric Carroll's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9293 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31796 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New WIKI - Connecting SB3/Transporter directly to an Amplifier w/o Preamp
Eric Carroll;172077 Wrote: Ya, I was thinking about adding a Transporter section at the bottom. Mark, is that ok? Absolutely, as you indicated, it's a wiki. I just didn't want to include it in the list with everything else. It has so many extra connections that would have to be explained: BNC digital in/out, AES/EBU in/out, XLR out, that the page would increase in size tremendously without offering much of value to the typical Squeezebox newbie, which would be about 80-90% of people directed to that page. I was just thinking that someone who spends $2000 US would have made the conscious decision to do so, knowing why they are spending extra, and may even have bought it for these very connections. -- Mark Lanctot It's like, you know, a New Age religion, but with better treble response. - Jon Heal Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31796 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New WIKI - Connecting SB3/Transporter directly to an Amplifier w/o Preamp
Just thought I'd congratulate you for your community service. cheers, Michael -- totoro squeezebox 3 - mccormack dna .5 - audio physic tempo 4 totoro's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5935 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31796 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New WIKI - Connecting SB3/Transporter directly to an Amplifier w/o Preamp
Eric Carroll;172079 Wrote: Are you sure about that? My understanding is that PREAMP volume control is implemented in the DAC, but VOLUME control is implemented in the CPU. Yeah I shouldn't have used that example. The more contradictory thing in the old post is the the statement 'you don't lose any resolution', whereas that's corrected in the long post. I'm sure nobody but me will notice :-) Carry on. -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31796 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New WIKI - Connecting SB3/Transporter directly to an Amplifier w/o Preamp
One minor point - somewhere in there was a link to a post by Sean Adams where he states that each level on the 100 point volume scale is a dB. I think it's .5 dB actually, and IIRC he corrects himself later in that thread. -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31796 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New WIKI - Connecting SB3/Transporter directly to an Amplifier w/o Preamp
Skunk;172112 Wrote: Yeah I shouldn't have used that example. The more contradictory thing in the old post is the the statement 'you don't lose any resolution', whereas that's corrected in the long post. I'm sure nobody but me will notice :-) Carry on. Thank you! -- Eric Carroll Eric Carroll's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9293 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31796 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New WIKI - Connecting SB3/Transporter directly to an Amplifier w/o Preamp
opaqueice;172113 Wrote: One minor point - somewhere in there was a link to a post by Sean Adams where he states that each level on the 100 point volume scale is a dB. I think it's .5 dB actually, and IIRC he corrects himself later in that thread. ooh, nice catch! I rea somewhere and thus knew it was .5 dB but did not see that difference in the post... do you have the correction reference? I will hunt for it too if I can find it. If you have the correction I will add it. Thanks! -- Eric Carroll Eric Carroll's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9293 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31796 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New WIKI - Connecting SB3/Transporter directly to an Amplifier w/o Preamp
totoro;172101 Wrote: Just thought I'd congratulate you for your community service. cheers, Michael I am sure I speak for MarkL (and I know I speak for myself) when I say thank you! Not like we get more SB3s or anything ;-) Since this is my first wiki creation (such as it is) postive feedback is definately appreciated. -- Eric Carroll Eric Carroll's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9293 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31796 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New WIKI - Connecting SB3/Transporter directly to an Amplifier w/o Preamp
Eric Carroll;172179 Wrote: I am sure I speak for MarkL (and I know I speak for myself) when I say thank you! Not like we get more SB3s or anything ;-) Since this is my first wiki creation (such as it is) postive feedback is definately appreciated. Yes, thanks totoro. I didn't respond because I wasn't sure who you were addressing - Eric got this thread started and ceejay gave a good idea. -- Mark Lanctot It's like, you know, a New Age religion, but with better treble response. - Jon Heal Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31796 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New WIKI - Connecting SB3/Transporter directly to an Amplifier w/o Preamp
Eric Carroll;172079 Wrote: Are you sure about that? My understanding is that PREAMP volume control is implemented in the DAC, but VOLUME control is implemented in the CPU. That is true, but they are still both the same kind of digital function. Although the preamp control is done in the DAC chip, it is still really before the DAC. The reason we do it in the DAC chip (instead of just applying additional attenuation using the software volume control) is that we want the preamp setting to only apply to the DAC and not the S/PDIF. -- seanadams seanadams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31796 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New WIKI - Connecting SB3/Transporter directly to an Amplifier w/o Preamp
Mark Lanctot;172195 Wrote: Yes, thanks totoro. I didn't respond because I wasn't sure who you were addressing - Eric got this thread started and ceejay gave a good idea. Sorry. I meant to include everyone involved, with an extra bump to the OP for initiative :). cheers, Michael -- totoro squeezebox 3 - mccormack dna .5 - audio physic tempo 4 totoro's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5935 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31796 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New WIKI - Connecting SB3/Transporter directly to an Amplifier w/o Preamp
Good job, something like this was needed. Unfortunately they will still ask how to hook up and use integrated amps/receivers, especially the volume control. I would also point out that the opening line reads like a poor translation: The Transporter and Squeezebox make a novel configuration option for the stereo system available. Better would be Tx and Sb _provide_ a novel config opt for _some_ stereo systems. Someone will be along shortly to grade you on the science portion :-) -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31796 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New WIKI - Connecting SB3/Transporter directly to an Amplifier w/o Preamp
There is a wiki page AvReceivers from MarkL there http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.cgi?AVReceivers I don't see it linked in anywhere that I can find yet. Thanks for the correction, its a first draft. Change made. -- Eric Carroll Eric Carroll's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9293 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31796 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New WIKI - Connecting SB3/Transporter directly to an Amplifier w/o Preamp
I have the SB going into an Adcom gtp600 preamp tied to a 6 zone amplifier that I am able to get all the volume I desire with, but my problem lies in that I took an RCA interconnect to my downstairs Denon A/V receiver to play SB in basement and at full volume I can't get the loudness I am seeking. I split the SB signal after my Adcom GTP 600 and before it goes into my 6 zone amplifier which powers all of my upstairs zones. Should I have split the SB signal some other way? -- chiefersone chiefersone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9413 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31796 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New WIKI - Connecting SB3/Transporter directly to an Amplifier w/o Preamp
Eric Carroll;171438 Wrote: There is a wiki page AvReceivers from MarkL there http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.cgi?AVReceivers I don't see it linked in anywhere that I can find yet. That was me. I'm not quite sure where to link it from - I didn't find an appropriate place in the Beginner's Guide. So for now I'll just post the link when I see a question in the forums. For that matter, the Beginner's Guide doesn't have anything on what you connect the Squeezebox to. It looks like we have a good start for putting something in here, we can suggest a home stereo system, a preamp, an integrated amp, direct into a power amp or into an A/V receiver. -- Mark Lanctot Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31796 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New WIKI - Connecting SB3/Transporter directly to an Amplifier w/o Preamp
Well the first page is the BeginnersGuide and it is meant to be just the headlines with shortcuts to the pages with more info. The BeginnersGuideOverview goes into more detail and is intended to be readable in its own right. I did start to draft a paragraph to go in the Overview page but quickly formed the view that actually we need a page along the lines of BeginnersGuideToConnections, or similar, which could cover - what the analog and digital outputs are for and some of the advantages of each (this comes up quite a lot in the Forums) - connecting into a integrated audio amplifier - connecting directly to a power amplifier (xref to poweramp page) - connecting into an AV receiver (xref to AVReceivers page) - connecting to a DAC Then I'd have a short paragraph in the BeginnersGuideOverview page along the lines of you need to conenct the outputs of your Squeezebox to the inputs of your audio amplifier in just the same way that you now would connect a CD player. There are several advanced options, however, which are discussed here. (link to new page) Anyone feeling bold? Ceejay -- ceejay ceejay's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=148 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31796 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New WIKI - Connecting SB3/Transporter directly to an Amplifier w/o Preamp
ceejay;171697 Wrote: Anyone feeling bold? Sounds like a nice Friday morning project - I'll give it a go if everyone's OK with this. -- Mark Lanctot It's like, you know, a New Age religion, but with better treble response. - Jon Heal Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31796 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
