Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best possible sound from "Squeezebox" - which way should I go
Haven't tried one of these myself, but I would be willing to bet that it's absolutely top notch quality. https://www.kitsunehifi.com/product/holoaudio-red-ddc-network-streamer/ Personally, I use a NUC running Debian and Squeezelite. I'm using a real time kernel, and have configured SL to run in real time with the highest priority. I connect to my DAC (Spring 3 KTE by the aforementioned company) via USB as this DAC has one of the absolute best USB interfaces on the market. For good measure I've also got the NUC powered with a linear power supply, just because I had one on hand that was the correct voltage. Whether the power supply makes a difference, who knows? Makes me feel cooler tho. The options I use for squeezelite: Code: $ cat /etc/systemd/system/squeezelite.service [Unit] Description=Squeezelite After=network.target systemd-udev-settle.service [Service] ExecStart=/usr/bin/squeezelite -b 2048:1048576 -o hw:CARD=Enhanc,DEV=0 -n Lyra -m b8:ae:ed:72:d1:83 -C 2 -p 1 -M "Holo Spring 3 KTE" Nice=-10 IOSchedulingClass=realtime User=root [Install] WantedBy=multi-user.target Sounds most excellent. The only reason for me to purchase a fancy streamer device would be for a fancy case, but most don't work with LMS, and going the DIY route gives me total control. I've got AirPlay, HQPlayer NAA, Squeezelite, and Roon all set up. spacecase-25's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=73221 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113147 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best possible sound from "Squeezebox" - which way should I go
Srd11 wrote: > Hi > Just received a topping dx3 pro. This will feed an arcam a29 > > What are views on using the internal USB of a pi 4 or getting a hat with > spdif (eg hifiberry) . Will the difference be discernable? > > Will likely get an ifi power supply from reading this thread. I use the USB from a rpi 4b I have tried using both the usb and co-ax spdif into the Topping and swapping between inputs. I could not discern any difference :(:confused: I am old :p Use your own judgment :) It's an objective puzzle for the "first world", there are more important things to be concerned about (which, I am sure you are :):)) ronnie Man in a van's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=43627 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113147 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best possible sound from "Squeezebox" - which way should I go
Hi Just received a topping dx3 pro. This will feed an arcam a29 What are views on using the internal USB of a pi 4 or getting a hat with spdif (eg hifiberry) . Will the difference be discernable? Will likely get an ifi power supply from reading this thread. Srd11's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=71326 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113147 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best possible sound from "Squeezebox" - which way should I go
I try out a SoTM SMS-200 streamer right now into a Quad USB DAC (450 euro when new). I compare it to my SBT with linear PSU and its analogue outputs. I hear no difference. Maybe others do, but I don't. Zombie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=25009 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113147 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best possible sound from "Squeezebox" - which way should I go
Oh yes, some make it vodoo! We have occasional earthquakes and tremors around here and I've not heard any vibration when these occur, at least when my power stays on. I would think that some cables made of unobtanium would correct all the problems. Main system - Rock Solid with LMS 7.9.4 Official on WHS 2011 - 2 Duets and Squeeseslave Cabin system - Rock solid with LMS 7.9.4 Official on Win10 Pro - 1 RPi 3 Model B/Hifiberry DAC+ Pro/PiCorePlayer and Squeezeslave Test system - LMS 8.0 nightly on Win10Pro - Squeezeplay Squeezebox Boom - "At Large" player around both home and cabin Headphones and car - Android phone/Bluetooth w/full library on MicroSD card - PowerAmp music player app (similar to Material Skin) w3wilkes's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=22973 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113147 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best possible sound from "Squeezebox" - which way should I go
schiff1108 wrote: > > 1) *Vibration:* the complete chain - even starting from by internet > router - must be placed on a vibration less surface. And if the device > (eg. a RPi box) has a light weight, it is helpful to put some extra > weight on it for stabilization (granit, steel, ...) > 2) *Power:* good clean power is very essential. It depends from the > quality what is deliverd into your house. You should definitly concider > not to use a standard power adapter (PSU) for an RPi box. There are many > soltions available such as Keces. Additional it might be worth to check > out filters or other fancy solutions. Lot of tests and experiments are > useful and might bring surprising results. I'd like to see the video of the blind test on that. > It's not Voodoo. ... Paul Webster http://dabdig.blogspot.com author of \"now playing\" plugins covering radio france (fip etc), kcrw, supla finland, abc australia, cbc/radio-canada and rte ireland Paul Webster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=105 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113147 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best possible sound from "Squeezebox" - which way should I go
What I have learned in my journey from analoge sources (LPs) to digital music sources is that much more problems needs to resolved when you choose the digital path. Beside all discussion of technical components there are two main concerns: vibration and power. 1) *Vibration:* the complete chain - even starting from by internet router - must be placed on a vibration less surface. And if the device (eg. a RPi box) has a light weight, it is helpful to put some extra weight on it for stabilization (granit, steel, ...) 2) *Power:* good clean power is very essential. It depends from the quality what is deliverd into your house. You should definitly concider not to use a standard power adapter (PSU) for an RPi box. There are many soltions available such as Keces. Additional it might be worth to check out filters or other fancy solutions. Lot of tests and experiments are useful and might bring surprising results. It's not Voodoo. My chain looks as follows. 1) *rPI3 with LMS and Squeezelite powered by Keces DC-116* - Upsampling all sources to highest level through Squezzelite - *Allo DigiOne* for SPDIF Output (what I do like about this component is that it has reclocking functionality on board). 2) *Mutec MC-3+ Smart Clock USB *(for reclocking purposed - amazing impovement) 3) *Rega DAC R* (possible an area of improvement, would love to test/go for a NOS DAC). 4) *Unison Research Sinfonia *(new component in my chain :cool:) 5) *Klipsch Forte III* I have tested integrated and expensive network streamers to replace 1,2,3 but was never convinced - not only because I am an LMS enthusiastic. Living Room: piCorePlayer 6.1.0 on rPi 3B+ & Allo DigiOne & 1TB USB (LMS 8.0.0 & Squeezelite) & Keces DC-116, Mutec MC-3+ Smart Clock, Rega DAC R, Unison Research Sinfonia, Klipsch Forte III. Control of LMS through a) Squeeze Ctrl App on Android, b) SB Touch through WLAN and 3) classical PC browser interface. Bedroom: Boom / Workspace: Boom / Kitchen: Radio schiff1108's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=64153 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113147 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best possible sound from "Squeezebox" - which way should I go
Ive opted for a Pi4 in a Lincoln Binns case coupled with a Khadas tone board in the Audiophonics case. They are a great match visually and sonically. VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* - Joggler & SB3 -> Onkyo TS606 -> Celestion F20s *Office* - Pi3+Sreen -> Sony TAFE320 -> Celestion F10s / Pi2+DAC & SB3 -> Onkyo CRN755 -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes *Dining Room* -> SB Boom *Kitchen* -> UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* - Pi2+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV)* - SB Touch ->Sherwood AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s Everything controlled by iPeng d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113147 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best possible sound from "Squeezebox" - which way should I go
iwalker wrote: > Lots of options... > If I was starting from scratch now, I might consider a R Pi- based > system. > > I remain a huge fan of all SB kit and LMS. > > For many years a Transporter was the heart of my main system, feeding a > pair of ATC SCM 100 ASL studio monitors. > I like the Transporter so much I have bought two on eBay as back ups! > Both were under £350 and in excellent condition. I consider that a > bargain for a design classic. > > In my house I now have the following: > Kitchen: SB Boom. Surprisingly good sound from a 'one box' solution > Study: SB Classic feeding some tiny active Audio Engine desk top > speakers. > Main: Transporter-> Schiit Yggdrasil DAC -> ATC SCM 100 ASLs via BNC. ( > I prefer the Schiit DAC to the Transporter's internal DAC, but the TP > DAC still sounds good, despite it being a 13 year old design) > > I also have a SB Touch which is currently boxed and unused! > From what I have read, it is now possible to build a better sounding > 'Touch' using a RPi, but a used Touch on eBay is still great value in my > opinion. > The TP sounds better than the Touch when paired with the external Schiit > DAC, but the Touch is still a remarkable digital source for the money. > > I also like LMS. I use the Qobuz plug-in to stream Qobuz and also use > iPeng to control everything using iPad/iPhone. > > I have tried far more expensive streamers than the TP, and I didn't > think they sounded any better, or provided any better > usability/functionality > > Hats off to Sean Adams. The SB suite of products was really ground > breaking and I am still perfectly happy to use many of the devices. Typos in above message corrected! iwalker's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13004 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113147 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best possible sound from "Squeezebox" - which way should I go
sota748 wrote: > Hello > I have been a "hifi nerd" for about 30 years, newer had the completely > expensive setups, but always had fun in putting something good together > for the money I could/can spend on the hobby. > Today there are the following components in my system, almost everything > is bought used (2 hand). > Speakers: B Signature 805 + B ASW 825 (sub) > Amp: Krell KAV300i > Turntable: Sota Sapphire + Moerch UP6 gold + Ortofon Kontrapunkt b + > SAT Phonofix > CD system: Roksan ROK DP1 (transport) + Roksan ROK DA1 (dac) > Cables: No snake oil, just good products at a reasonable price, (I like > Van den Hull's products) > Software: 3500 LP`s & 800 CD`s. > The best sound in my system comes from my Turntable but the CD system is > not far behind > > The last 1-2 years I wanted a Streaming system, but newer found anything > I would like to own > I have had a SB3 for 10 years now I think, but not used it much, for 10 > years ago I installed LMS on my Synology NAS but that was a slow and > unstable system, no fun using that > > At the Covid lock down in the spring, I have to work from home, and I > needed music for the working room, > so I found the old SB3 and ordered a RPiB4, installed pCP on the RPiB4 > and used my NAS as storage for music files. > Started to rip my CD`s (EAC or dbPoweramp) and after a month all 800 was > on the NAS. > Listen to a lot of flac files, also a lot of different Radio channels > and Podcast with great pleasure - I have found my Streaming system :D > > Next task is to make/setup up the best possible system, in terms of good > sound. > I have tried: > - SB3 analog outputs to amp., OK but nothing special > - SB3 SPDIF to ROK-DA1, not bad almost on high with my CD, but there is > missing a little bit of all. > - RPiB4 USB trough M2Tech hiFace Two to ROK-DA1, great (= fantastic) > sound stage but the sound of the high range is really sharp. > > I have read a lot on the net, to find the best solution in terms of good > sound, but there is obviously no recipe for this > So what`s the best way to go? > - RPiB4 USB to a Good DAC (most simple solution, and that way I thought > I should go) > - RPiB4 with SPDIF hat to a good DAC > - RPiB4 with DAC hat to Amp. > - SB Transporter (maybe) > - Other solutions? Lots of options... If I was starting from scratch now, I might consider a R Pi- based system. I remain a huge fan of all SB kit and LMS. For many years a Transporter was the heart of my main system, feeding a pair of acroce ASM 100 ASL studio monitors. I like the Transporter so much I have bought two on eBay as back ups! Both were under £350 and in excellent condition. I consider that a bargain for a design classic.the following: In my house I now have the following: Kitchen: SB Boom. Surprisingly good sound from a 'one box' solution Study: SB Classic feeding some tiny Audio Engine desk top speakers. Main: Transporter-> Schiit Ygddrasil DAC -> ATC SCM 100 ASLs ( I prefer the Schiit DAC to the Transporter's internal DAC, but the TP DAC still sounds good, despite it being a 13 year old design) I also have a SB Touch which is currently boxed and usused! >From what I have read it is now possible to build a better sounding 'Touch' using a RPi, but a used Touch on eBay is still good value in my opinion. The TP sounds better than the Touch when paired with the external Schiit DAC, but the Touch is still a remarkable digital source for the money. I also like LMS. I use the Qobuz plug in to stream Qobuz and also use iPeng to control everything using iPad/iPhone. I have tried far more expensive streamers than the TP, and I didn't think they sounded any better, or provided any better usability. Hats off to Sean Adams. The SB suite of products was really ground breaking and I am still perfectly happy to use many of the devices. iwalker's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13004 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113147 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best possible sound from "Squeezebox" - which way should I go
foxesden wrote: > If you use a Pi 3B or Pi 4. Then any audibly transparent USB DAC will do > the job. > > Pay more for features or a nice case. I have found the measurements at > www.Audiosciencereview.com (ASR) to be very useful and they have > measured a ton of DACs. I agree. Not messing with HATs makes case choice easier, too! With two Pi4 players configured, one Coax-> DAC, the other USB into the same Topping E30 DAC, I can't tell a difference. The cheaper Topping DAC probably outperforms the older non-USB Schiit DAC (and my ears). Having an all in one unit for compactness might appeal to some while others may prefer an external DAC for versatility and breadth of choice at all price points. Upside everywhere, everything sounds better than the DAC in the SB1. *Server*: LMS 8.x nightly, Raspberry Pi OS booting off external 'USB SATA drive dock' (https://www.inateck.com/media/catalog/product/cache/e4d64343b1bc593f1c5348fe05efa4a6/6/1/61j8z8y0vpl__sl1300_.jpg) with 1TB SSD *Home Office*: Squeezelite player via server-mounted HifiBerry Digi+ Pro HAT -> Schiit DAC -> ARCAM FMJ A19 + Monitor Audio Silver *Family System*: Squeezebox 1 and/or Chromecast Bridge plugin + Chromecast Audio TOSLINK -> Topping E30 DAC -> Onkyo AV Receiver / Klipsch 6.1 config *Phone*: Squeeze Player, Squeezer on Android *Other Players*: Bunch of Chromecast devices yvrmike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=70865 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113147 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best possible sound from "Squeezebox" - which way should I go
If you use a Pi 3B or Pi 4. Then any audibly transparent USB DAC will do the job. Pay more for features or a nice case. I have found the measurements at www.Audiosciencereview.com (ASR) to be very useful and they have measured a ton of DACs. foxesden's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=56286 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113147 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best possible sound from "Squeezebox" - which way should I go
Another option: Consider the original Digione Player (not Signature). $270 US at Allo site with an aluminum case and an upgraded Nirvana power supply. Maybe other sellers have it available to consider due to shipping distance from India. Tough to beat this deal. Google it for comparisons with the Signature, some say minimal sound quality difference if any. Less hassle with dual power supplies too. I own one, and it's been a great replacement for my SB3/receiver unit. Recently upgraded to the Nirvana power supply, and to me there seems to be an appreciable difference from the stock PSU, particularly at low volume for some reason. I run it into an audio video receiver which has it's own DAC. The output from this unit is SPDIF., so make sure your DAC is compatible. Living Room: Pi3 w/Allo Digione Player (Wired), Max2Play w/LMS Server 8.0 and SqueezeLite Pioneer Elite VSX 80, Parasound 2125 v2 KEF LS50's, Paradigm SE Center, SVS SB12-NSD Subwoofer, Paradigm Atom v.5 Surrounds Harmony Smart Control w/Hub and iPeng Dining Room: KEF Q100's Bedroom: Logitech Boom Porch: Boston Acoustics Voyager Metro II Router: Netgear R700P File Storage: Samsung T5 SSD Music Service: Qobuz Fahzz's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12585 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113147 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best possible sound from "Squeezebox" - which way should I go
edwin2006 wrote: > Is there so much gain when compared to a hifiberry dac? Just curious. > For me the combo raspberry pi with the hifiberry dac sounds way better a > SB Touch, and I was really surprised by that. Honestly, I don't know Edwin; there's nothing stopping a Pi-HAT based DAC from being excellent. For my Pi4 based player I went with the HifiBerry Digi+ Pro digital interface rather than a DAC simply because I had an external DAC. And I've picked up a second external DAC not just because I'm curious as to how my several years old Schiit compares, but because external DACs have their useful purposes too. Chromecast Audio sounds tons better (like your experience with the Touch) through a DAC (CCAs have a dual purpose 3.5mm line out / TOSLINK socket) and we use streaming and castable services a great deal here including Youtube Music. I have plans to put a Pi based player into an antique radio cabinet along with a small audio amp; I'm sure I'll use a DAC HAT for that. *Server*: LMS 8.x nightly, Raspberry Pi OS booting off external 'USB SATA drive dock' (https://www.inateck.com/media/catalog/product/cache/e4d64343b1bc593f1c5348fe05efa4a6/6/1/61j8z8y0vpl__sl1300_.jpg) with 1TB SSD *Home Office*: Squeezelite player via server-mounted HifiBerry Digi+ Pro HAT -> Schiit DAC -> ARCAM FMJ A19 + Monitor Audio Silver *Family System*: Squeezebox original or Chromecast Bridge plugin + Chromecast Audio TOSLINK -> DAC -> Onkyo AV Receiver / Klipsch 6.1 config *Phone*: Squeeze Player, Squeezer on Android *Other Players*: Large number of Chromecast capable devices yvrmike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=70865 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113147 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best possible sound from "Squeezebox" - which way should I go
yvrmike wrote: > PS, I control my LMS with either my Android phone or from the web > interface. > > If you are looking for an always-on visual interface, Audiophonics in > France have a number of options; I've seen that case elsewhere too. > > https://www.audiophonics.fr/en/network-audio-players-rasptouch-c-6350.html > > Personally, I prefer the separation of concerns approach with a Pi4 + > digital output hat driving an external DAC, but even in my situation, I > can see some use cases for an integrated approach. > > https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?pages/Audio_DAC_Performance_Index/ > > You can filter by brand to see what Pi HAT DACs he's reviewed - Allo, > Audiophonics, HifiBerry, Orchard Audio ... come to mind. There may be > others.Is there so much gain when compared to a hifiberry dac? Just curious. For me the combo raspberry pi with the hifiberry dac sounds way better a SB Touch, and I was really surprised by that. *SqueezeBoxes:* 1x Transporter (Living room) 1x SB2 (shed), 1x Radio (Kitchen), 1x Boom (Dining room), 1x piCorePlayer (jacuzzi), 1x piCorePlayer (Garden) 1x OSMC + Squeezelite (Movie room), 1x Touch (Study 2), few spare unit's *Server:* LMS on Pi3 7.9.1. on PcP 3.21 *Network:* AVM Fritzbox, Netgear Smart Switch 24p, 3x Ubiquity edwin2006's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=66926 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113147 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best possible sound from "Squeezebox" - which way should I go
PS, I control my LMS with either my Android phone or from the web interface. If you are looking for an always-on visual interface, Audiophonics in France have a number of options; I've seen that case elsewhere too. https://www.audiophonics.fr/en/network-audio-players-rasptouch-c-6350.html Personally, I prefer the separation of concerns approach with a Pi4 + digital output hat driving an external DAC, but even in my situation, I can see some use cases for an integrated approach. https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?pages/Audio_DAC_Performance_Index/ You can filter by brand to see what Pi HAT DACs he's reviewed - Allo, Audiophonics, HifiBerry, Orchard Audio ... come to mind. There may be others. yvrmike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=70865 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113147 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best possible sound from "Squeezebox" - which way should I go
sota748 wrote: > DAC`s i didn´t know, Can you anything about the sound from them? Hi Dan, My needs are more modest than yours I'm sure; I'm a "good sound at a not painful price" sort. That said you might want to experiment a bit more (as you have been) before committing which is why I threw out the inexpensive DAC idea. You could incrementally experiment with a Pi4 by acquiring a digital output hat supporting at least Coax output and feed that to -> your existing DAC. If you are happy with that, based on your first post it seems you'll need a second DAC. The Topping brand ranges from the inexpensive but well-reviewed and beyond. You'll find all manner of DAC brands reviewed on Audio Science Review: https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?forums/digital-to-analog-dac-review-and-discussion.10/ They are generally technical reviews not audiophile but may serve as a good starting point for exploration. The entry-level Topping units offer good value and surprisingly good technical performance. I haven't bought one yet but intend to and look forward to comparing it to my now some years old Schiit DAC. I'll probably get the low-cost Topping E30 which is readily available here in Canada (edit, ordering it now for the family entertainment centre, or my office, whichever use case wins ;-) ) - it has 3 digital inputs (USB, TOSLINK and Coax S/PDIF) selectable from the front panel. No balanced output, only RCA - they do have units with XLR out. Best of luck with your streaming system build - have fun! yvrmike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=70865 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113147 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best possible sound from "Squeezebox" - which way should I go
yvrmike wrote: > Originally I'd split the player and server into two Pi4s but decided for > my office space to run them both on one, playing through the Schiit DAC > into my all analogue ARCAM FMJ A19 integrated amp. > > - for a second player on the livingroom system although I might yet > again go for an external DAC like one of the well-reviewed and very > inexpensive Topping DACs and again feed it from a Digi+ Pro. DAC`s i didn´t know, Can you anything about the sound from them? Dan RPI newbie sota748's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=70197 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113147 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best possible sound from "Squeezebox" - which way should I go
Nissen wrote: > Maybe you should take a look at the "Digione Signature" HAT for your > RPi4B. > The SPDIF output is isolated from the RPi4B side. Nice thing this Digione Signature, I really learn some new "components" Dan RPI newbie sota748's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=70197 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113147 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best possible sound from "Squeezebox" - which way should I go
guilux wrote: > Hi Sota, > > since you are already familiar with raspberry Pi and piCorePlayer, you > might want to give a try to hifiberry (rasp + daughter card for good > quality DAC) > cheers. I did exactly this using piCorePlayer, although I had a now older Schiit Bifrost DAC already on hand and idle, so am using a Hifiberry Digi+ Pro HAT to provide S/PDIF output to the external DAC. in A-B comparisons (the Bifrost allows me to switch between Coax/TOSLINK inputs) between playing ripped CDs directly, or through the Pi4 running piCorePlayer with a Hifiberry Digi Pro into the DAC, I can't hear a difference... which makes sense. It's a digital signal in both cases until converted by the DAC. If others with better ears can hear a difference it doesn't matter, they aren't sitting in my office or living room and never will be. Originally I'd split the player and server into two Pi4s but decided for my office space to run them both on one, playing through the Schiit DAC into my all analogue ARCAM FMJ A19 integrated amp. In the end, I decided to consolidate player and mass storage on one Pi4, running Raspberry OS (Lite) instead of piCoreLite (I have other services running on the box), configured to boot off a 1TB SSD in a USB drive dock. Being very happy with the results, I'm looking to get a second Hifiberry product - possibly a DAC this time - for a second player on the livingroom system although I might yet again go for an external DAC like one of the well-reviewed and very inexpensive Topping DACs and again feed it from a Digi+ Pro. And then there's an original Squeezebox kicking about here to put back to work. Pi4 and mass storage tech and prices being what they are, this is a golden age! Hopefully, Google opens up an API for Youtube Music. A plugin for that would be terrific. yvrmike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=70865 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113147 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best possible sound from "Squeezebox" - which way should I go
sota748 wrote: > Thanks for the feedback > > I will take a look at the SOTM SMS 200 streamer Maybe you should take a look at the "Digione Signature" HAT for your RPi4B. The SPDIF output is isolated from the RPi4B side. Per -- Squeezebox Touch -> Lyngdorf DPA-1 -> McIntosh 275 -> Wilson Audio Sophia 3 Argon HA-1 -> Denon AH-D2000 Nissen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11295 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113147 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best possible sound from "Squeezebox" - which way should I go
schoeppi wrote: > sorry, the Transporter is not longer available, its making another user > > happy already :-). but the Touch and the Classic are still there... > > @Dan: I've not read the whole thread, but if you have an external DAC > maybe a good alternative to the transporter is a SMS 200 streamer from > SOTM. this device is also able to act as a squeezelite device and IMHO > it sounds better then the Transporter. Thanks for the feedback I will take a look at the SOTM SMS 200 streamer Dan RPI newbie sota748's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=70197 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113147 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best possible sound from "Squeezebox" - which way should I go
Hi, sorry, the Transporter is not longer available, its making another user happy already :-). but the Touch and the Classic are still there... @Dan: I've not read the whole thread, but if you have an external DAC maybe a good alternative to the transporter is a SMS 200 streamer from SOTM. this device is also able to act as a squeezelite device and IMHO it sounds better then the Transporter. Cheers, Schoepp ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best possible sound from "Squeezebox" - which way should I go
Hi Dan, here sells someone in Germany a Transporter: https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?113024-Verkaufe-silbernen-Transporter-und-SqueezeboxClassic-und-Touch But I don't know whether it is still valid. jd68's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30795 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113147 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best possible sound from "Squeezebox" - which way should I go
Apesbrain wrote: > "New Old Stock" knob-less Transporters are going for $500 on eBay with > shipping. So long as your files top out at 24/96, it's as good as it > gets. Unfortunately, these are only found in the US, and import duties are expensive (about 1/3 of the price) in Denmark where I live :(, if I only could find one in the EU This would be the nicest looking solution, I really want to hear a transporter on my system Thanks for the Reply Dan RPI newbie sota748's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=70197 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113147 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best possible sound from "Squeezebox" - which way should I go
guilux wrote: > since you are already familiar with raspberry Pi and piCorePlayer, you > might want to give a try to hifiberry (rasp + daughter card for good > quality DAC) > I did try this, compared with my transporter and I found that the > hifiberry is very good for its price. > (and far from being rediculous ) > > A transporter on the second hand market might be interesting also (price > not the same - frankly you should give a try with the hifiberry, super > product and super quality for this price) I have looked at the HAT cards from 'hifiberry' (https://www.hifiberry.com/shop/boards/hifiberry-dac2-hd/) many times and not been sure that´s highend or not, maybe the new DAC2 HD could be a solution? Thanks for the reply Dan RPI newbie sota748's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=70197 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113147 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best possible sound from "Squeezebox" - which way should I go
fastfwd wrote: > AES out to a good DAC: http://www.pi2design.com/pi2aes.html Very interesting, this could really be my solution. But there is not many DAC`s with AES on market (mainly DAC`s for the pro area) I like that the outputs is isolatet from the "rest" 32038 Thanks for the reply +---+ |Filename: Capture.JPG | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=32038| +---+ Dan RPI newbie sota748's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=70197 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113147 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best possible sound from "Squeezebox" - which way should I go
"New Old Stock" knob-less Transporters are going for $500 on eBay with shipping. So long as your files top out at 24/96, it's as good as it gets. Apesbrain's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=738 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113147 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best possible sound from "Squeezebox" - which way should I go
sota748 wrote: > > > I have read a lot on the net, to find the best solution in terms of good > sound, but there is obviously no recipe for this > So what`s the best way to go? > - RPiB4 USB to a Good DAC (most simple solution, and that way I thought > I should go) > - RPiB4 with SPDIF hat to a good DAC > - RPiB4 with DAC hat to Amp. > - SB Transporter (maybe) > - Other solutions? Hi Sota, since you are already familiar with raspberry Pi and piCorePlayer, you might want to give a try to hifiberry (rasp + daughter card for good quality DAC) I did try this, compared with my transporter and I found that the hifiberry is very good for its price. cheers. guilux's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=70845 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113147 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best possible sound from "Squeezebox" - which way should I go
sota748 wrote: > > So what`s the best way to go? > - RPiB4 USB to a Good DAC (most simple solution, and that way I thought > I should go) > - RPiB4 with SPDIF hat to a good DAC > - RPiB4 with DAC hat to Amp. > - SB Transporter (maybe) > - Other solutions? AES out to a good DAC: http://www.pi2design.com/pi2aes.html -*lms 8.0* + *edo* on debian jessie- *touch* --> benchmark dac3 hgc --> counterpoint nps200 mkii + nps400 --> meadowlark heron *touch* --> schiit bifrost 2 --> eddie current aficionado --> hd800 sdr, zmf verite ziricote and a third *touch* for remote control, and a *radio*, and a couple *sb3*s and a *transporter* somewhere fastfwd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=62073 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113147 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
