Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Squeezebox Duet and Beresford Caiman DAC

2010-05-07 Thread stone

Gazjam;543288 Wrote: 
 Did I say that? 
 Uhm..no, Im not being that technical or that specific. :)
 
 What Im saying is that there is a good jump in sound quality to my ears
 in my system (and lots of other User opinions seem to agree)using the
 Touch than there was with the SB3.
 My Dac/system is transparent enough to show up differences in digital
 transports...and its not that the SB3 is crap all of a sudden - its
 very much not...its just that to me the Touch is a lot better.
 
 Dont even think about it - buy a Touch. :)

Have to admit i was making assumtions, but IMHO, the major source of
audible differences originating from digtal domain is our old enemy
jitter. 

Also youre indicating that there is a difference between SB2 and SB3.
Isn't the SB3 just SB2 in new housing? 

Anyway: your thoughts an experiences are valued. Thanks

PS! Have connected the Beresford Caiman to my old friend the SB2, and
there is a quite noticable difference in sound: Midrange opens up, more
air in the top and overall a more dynamic presentation. The slight
tendency towards digital harshness from the SB2 is also gone. 

Other components: Electrocompaniet ECI-3, Monitor Audio Silver 7


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Squeezebox Duet and Beresford Caiman DAC

2010-05-07 Thread Gazjam

stone;544321 Wrote: 
 Have to admit i was making assumtions, but IMHO, the major source of
 audible differences originating from digtal domain is our old enemy
 jitter. 
 
 Also youre indicating that there is a difference between SB2 and SB3.
 Isn't the SB3 just SB2 in new housing? 
 
 Anyway: your thoughts an experiences are valued. Thanks
 
 PS! Have connected the Beresford Caiman to my old friend the SB2, and
 there is a quite noticable difference in sound: Midrange opens up, more
 air in the top and overall a more dynamic presentation. The slight
 tendency towards digital harshness from the SB2 is also gone. 
 
 Other components: Electrocompaniet ECI-3, Monitor Audio Silver 7

Hi,
I've never heard an SB2dont know anything about it to be honest.
Asking the wrong Guy chief!

Dont worry about all this stuff, sorry to be simplistic about this, but
just GET A TOUCH. :)

With the Caiman it'll blow your socks off.
Just make sure you get a decent (doesnt have to be expensive) 1.5M
length digital coax to connect them.

As your the Jitter Man ;) you'll want to worry about signal
reflections in the SPDIF transfer...

Or better yet, just chill out and realise how good the Touch is.
Wow.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Squeezebox Duet and Beresford Caiman DAC

2010-05-05 Thread NewBuyer

I think that when used as digital transports, any audible differences
between the Touch and SB3 must certainly reflect the jitter-sensitivity
 noise-susceptibility etc of the DAC(?)

For instance, I recently had a chance to play with a Touch alongside an
SB3 and a separate transport - all into a Benchmark PRE.  Result:
Absolutely no difference that any of us could hear, within the several
systems tried.

However, the Benchmark is an Ultralock design (not a PLL-design): It is
noted for its highly-isolated conversion clock and for showing no
measurable jitter-induced artifacts resulting from normal use of any of
its digital interfaces.

Keep in mind that I am most admittedly NOT an expert - so if there is
somehow more to the story, I'd like to hear it as much as anybody else!
:)


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Squeezebox Duet and Beresford Caiman DAC

2010-05-04 Thread Themis

stone;543249 Wrote: 
 the Beresford Caiman is not particularily good at eliminating jitter?
The Caiman has no reclocking, afaik.
But the differences between transports is not just jitter. There is
also noise and there may be other distortions.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Squeezebox Duet and Beresford Caiman DAC

2010-05-04 Thread stone

Gazjam;541422 Wrote: 
 Hi,
 
 
 One thing ive noticed about the Beresford is that it can show up
 differences in whatever is fed into it quite easily..
 For instance my Touch is obviously a much better digital transport than
 my SB3..sounds very much better.
 
 Gaz.

So what you're saying is that the SB3 is a quite jittery digital
transport and that the Beresford Caiman is not particularily good at
eliminating jitter?

I'm asking because i have recently bought a Caiman and is planning to
mate it with my SB2. 

I would be better off with a Duet or Touch?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Squeezebox Duet and Beresford Caiman DAC

2010-05-04 Thread Gazjam

stone;543249 Wrote: 
 So what you're saying is that the SB3 is a quite jittery digital
 transport and that the Beresford Caiman is not particularily good at
 eliminating jitter?
 
 I'm asking because i have recently bought a Caiman and is planning to
 mate it with my SB2. 
 
 I would be better off with a Duet or Touch?

Did I say that? 
Uhm..no, Im not being that technical or that specific. :)

What Im saying is that there is a good jump in sound quality to my ears
in my system (and lots of other User opinions seem to agree)using the
Touch than there was with the SB3.
My Dac/system is transparent enough to show up differences in digital
transports...and its not that the SB3 is crap all of a sudden - its
very much not...its just that to me the Touch is a lot better.

Dont even think about it - buy a Touch. :)


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Squeezebox Duet and Beresford Caiman DAC

2010-05-04 Thread Phil Leigh

stone;543249 Wrote: 
 So what you're saying is that the SB3 is a quite jittery digital
 transport and that the Beresford Caiman is not particularily good at
 eliminating jitter?
 
 I'm asking because i have recently bought a Caiman and is planning to
 mate it with my SB2. 
 
 I would be better off with a Duet or Touch?

The Touch is better than the SB3  Duet (and much better than the SB2)
in respect of jitter...


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Squeezebox Duet and Beresford Caiman DAC

2010-05-01 Thread Gazjam

dogsnadgers;542009 Wrote: 
 Hi Gazjam
 Thanks for that - very interesting and helpful.  The only thing that
 puts me off the Touch is losing the Duet's remote, I guess I could
 control the Touch with the Duet remote but that then becomes an
 expensive player!
 Dave

I only bought the Touch purely as an upgraded digital transport...don't
even use the touch screen.
It's that much of an improvment sound wise it's well worth it.
What's wrong with an expensive player if it sounds this good!
Surely too having the convenience of the controller is a GOOD thing?

I use IPENG with my Touch...helluva way to listen to music!


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Squeezebox Duet and Beresford Caiman DAC

2010-04-30 Thread dogsnadgers

Hi
I have been meaning to do this for a while, when first installed I
couldn't live with the Duet against the CD5i, the sound was dull and
lifeless in comparison, the DAC solved that (bought used, so already
run in).  Approx nine months on the Duet is well run in and the
difference is not so great but it is still noticeably better with the
DAC than without, just more of everything, more life and groove, more
toe tapping! I would be very interested to try the Caiman or upgrading
my DAC internally, from what people are saying (I haven't heard one) I
reckon a Touch might outperform a standard T-7510 so might need a
Caiman to improve it.  I put my Panasonic Blu-ray through the DAC for
music DVD and I can't tell any difference whatsoever between the DAC
and anolouge output from the TV, so may try a Touch and not bother with
a DAC, decisions decisions!
Dave


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Squeezebox Duet and Beresford Caiman DAC

2010-04-30 Thread Gazjam

dogsnadgers;541876 Wrote: 
 Hi
 I have been meaning to do this for a while, when first installed I
 couldn't live with the Duet against the CD5i, the sound was dull and
 lifeless in comparison, the DAC solved that (bought used, so already
 run in).  Approx nine months on the Duet is well run in and the
 difference is not so great but it is still noticeably better with the
 DAC than without, just more of everything, more life and groove, more
 toe tapping! I would be very interested to try the Caiman or upgrading
 my DAC internally, from what people are saying (I haven't heard one) I
 reckon a Touch might outperform a standard T-7510 so might need a
 Caiman to improve it.  I put my Panasonic Blu-ray through the DAC for
 music DVD and I can't tell any difference whatsoever between the DAC
 and anolouge output from the TV, so may try a Touch and not bother with
 a DAC, decisions decisions!
 Dave

HI,
Im using a Touch with a modded Caiman Dac.
I've upgraded the Regulators and the Output capacitors, which gave a
great upgrade to the standard Dac.
Its fair to say that the Dac Im using is a fair bit better than the
standard 7510(I've also owned a 7510 MK6/3 and a standard 7520), and
I've compared the Touch analogue with it running into my Dac.

The Dac is better..more of everything..just plays music not hifi.

That said, I could live with the analogue outss on the Touch if I didnt
have the Dac, its very very good, a lot better than the SB3 I owned
previously.

Guess Im saying you would get away with just using the Touch on its
own, I'd equate it with a very good £600 CD player...but as a digital
transport its capable of a whole lot more.

I'm upgrading my Dac again because of it!


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Squeezebox Duet and Beresford Caiman DAC

2010-04-30 Thread dogsnadgers

Hi Gazjam
Thanks for that - very interesting and helpful.  The only thing that
puts me off the Touch is losing the Duet's remote, I guess I could
control the Touch with the Duet remote but that then becomes an
expensive player!
Dave


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Squeezebox Duet and Beresford Caiman DAC

2010-04-30 Thread magiccarpetride

slate;541440 Wrote: 
 Cables are a seperate purchase

Stupid question (I'm not versed in technicalities): do I need one
digital coax, or two (left and right), for connecting from Squeezebox
Duet into Caiman?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Squeezebox Duet and Beresford Caiman DAC

2010-04-30 Thread Robin Bowes
On 30/04/10 18:14, magiccarpetride wrote:
 
 slate;541440 Wrote: 
 Cables are a seperate purchase
 
 Stupid question (I'm not versed in technicalities): do I need one
 digital coax, or two (left and right), for connecting from Squeezebox
 Duet into Caiman?

One.

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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Squeezebox Duet and Beresford Caiman DAC

2010-04-30 Thread dogsnadgers

Just the one!


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Squeezebox Duet and Beresford Caiman DAC

2010-04-29 Thread dogsnadgers

I too use the Duet with a T-7510 and I am very pleased with the sound, I
sold my Naim CD5i as I couldn't tell the difference, unplugging the DAC
from a cheap power strip and plugging it straight into un-switched wall
sockets improved the sound dramatically so no regrets selling the CD
player.
I use it with a Naim Nait5i and Neat Motive 2's, it has a lovely
transparency to the sound, from comments on here I am considering
upgrading to the Touch though!


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Squeezebox Duet and Beresford Caiman DAC

2010-04-29 Thread dogsnadgers

I too use the Duet with a T-7510 and I am very pleased with the sound, I
sold my Naim CD5i as I couldn't tell the difference, unplugging the DAC
from a cheap power strip and plugging it straight into un-switched wall
sockets improved the sound dramatically so no regrets selling the CD
player.
I use it with a Naim Nait5i and Neat Motive 2's, it has a lovely
transparency to the sound, from comments on here I am considering
upgrading to the Touch though!


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Squeezebox Duet and Beresford Caiman DAC

2010-04-29 Thread spile

dogsnadgers;541566 Wrote: 
 I too use the Duet with a T-7510 and I am very pleased with the sound, I
 sold my Naim CD5i as I couldn't tell the difference, unplugging the DAC
 from a cheap power strip and plugging it straight into un-switched wall
 sockets improved the sound dramatically so no regrets selling the CD
 player.
 I use it with a Naim Nait5i and Neat Motive 2's, it has a lovely
 transparency to the sound, from comments on here I am considering
 upgrading to the Touch though!
If you do a comparison between non-external DAC and DAC would be
welcome. Currently using a Touch into (no DAC) an elderly Naim 32/250
Pre/power amp.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Squeezebox Duet and Beresford Caiman DAC

2010-04-28 Thread Phil Leigh

magiccarpetride;541330 Wrote: 
 I've just ordered Beresford Caiman DAC for my Squeezebox Duet, and was
 wondering if someone on this forum is using this configuration. I'd
 like to know what's the most optimal way to connect the Duet with the
 Caiman -- I am very keen on the sound quality, don't care at all about
 convenience. Whatever it takes to squeeze the last bit of audio signal
 out of my Squeezebox, I'll do it.
 
 Thanks.

Please can you not cross-post across the forums - it causes confusion.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Squeezebox Duet and Beresford Caiman DAC

2010-04-28 Thread magiccarpetride

Phil Leigh;541337 Wrote: 
 Please can you not cross-post across the forums - it causes confusion.
 Thanks

My apologies. I was advised at the Squeezebox Duet forum to repost my
original question to this forum, as I am inquiring about the audiophile
level DAC.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Squeezebox Duet and Beresford Caiman DAC

2010-04-28 Thread Phil Leigh

magiccarpetride;541343 Wrote: 
 My apologies. I was advised at the Squeezebox Duet forum to repost my
 original question to this forum, as I am inquiring about the audiophile
 level DAC.

So I see... No need to apologise!


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Squeezebox Duet and Beresford Caiman DAC

2010-04-28 Thread Squeezed_Rotel

Phil Leigh;541397 Wrote: 
 So I see... No need to apologise!

Phil, I advised him to come here for help. I actually hoped you would
be the one to respond. But not this way.
Now that we have exchanged appologies and hopefully eliminated all the
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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Squeezebox Duet and Beresford Caiman DAC

2010-04-28 Thread Gazjam

Hi,
using a modded Caiman here (See AOS Forum for details..) with my new
Touch, used it previoulsy with my SB Classic..

I use a coax rather than an Optical link as I found co-ax to be better
sounding.

One thing ive noticed about the Beresford is that it can show up
differences in whatever is fed into it quite easily..
For instance my Touch is obviously a much better digital transport than
my SB3..sounds very much better.
Also, while I was waiting on my Touch arriving, I had sold my SB3 and
was using my DVD player playing MP3s through the Beresford.
Have to say..going from this to my Touch was quite the revelation.

So if your happy as you are (and you WILL be :)) co-ax into the Caiman
is the way to go...use Fixed outputs not the variable ones unless you
are running the Dac as a preamp into a Power Amp.

Oh, and I would give your new Dac a few weeks (Id say 6) to fully run
in, as the sound you get at the start is very different from 6 weeks
on.

Further down teh line you can upgrade the Dac with different Opamps
(easy job) or more hard core mods like upgrading the Output caps and
Regulators (hard!)

Hope this helps

Gaz.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Squeezebox Duet and Beresford Caiman DAC

2010-04-28 Thread magiccarpetride

Gazjam;541422 Wrote: 
 Hi,
 using a modded Caiman here (See AOS Forum for details..) with my new
 Touch, used it previoulsy with my SB Classic..
 
 I use a coax rather than an Optical link as I found co-ax to be better
 sounding.
 
 One thing ive noticed about the Beresford is that it can show up
 differences in whatever is fed into it quite easily..
 For instance my Touch is obviously a much better digital transport than
 my SB3..sounds very much better.
 Also, while I was waiting on my Touch arriving, I had sold my SB3 and
 was using my DVD player playing MP3s through the Beresford.
 Have to say..going from this to my Touch was quite the revelation.
 
 So if your happy as you are (and you WILL be :)) co-ax into the Caiman
 is the way to go...use Fixed outputs not the variable ones unless you
 are running the Dac as a preamp into a Power Amp.
 
 Oh, and I would give your new Dac a few weeks (Id say 6) to fully run
 in, as the sound you get at the start is very different from 6 weeks
 on.
 
 Further down teh line you can upgrade the Dac with different Opamps
 (easy job) or more hard core mods like upgrading the Output caps and
 Regulators (hard!)
 
 Hope this helps
 
 Gaz.

Thanks Gaz. Is Caiman shipping with the co-ax (or with any other
connection cables), or do I have to purchase co-ax separately?

I am not planning (for now) to use Caiman as a preamp, so I'll stick
with the fixed outputs.

Can I leave Caiman on and feed a 'white noise' break-in loop into it,
in order to shorten the 6 weeks burn-in period?

Very excited to hear that you (and others) are able to detect
substantial improvements to the quality of sound reproduction through
Caiman. My sound through Duet into the DPA 200s separates and then into
a pair of Maggie planar speakers is already to die for, very hard for me
to imagine how could it possibly get any better!


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Squeezebox Duet and Beresford Caiman DAC

2010-04-28 Thread slate

Cables are a seperate purchase

Burnin time: you can start playing a stream from a radiostation and
then turn of your amplifier


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Squeezebox Duet and Beresford Caiman DAC

2010-04-28 Thread Phil Leigh

Squeezed_Rotel;541400 Wrote: 
 Phil, I advised him to come here for help. I actually hoped you would be
 the one to respond. But not this way.
 Now that we have exchanged apologies and hopefully eliminated all the
 confusion, can we help this new member?

er yeah...of course...

1.5m/4.5ft (NOT 1m!!!) Blue Jeans digital coax 1694A Belden cable
http://www.bluejeanscable.com/store/digital-audio/


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Squeezebox Duet and Beresford Caiman DAC

2010-04-28 Thread Themis

Phil Leigh;541473 Wrote: 
 er yeah...of course...
 
:)


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