Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] modding digital of squeezebox (boldercables)
tomjtx;209716 Wrote: I would have to say I am surprised by Anthony's reply. I have gone out of my way to be balanced in my opinion of his mods. It does not serve you well, Anthony, to post such replies. If you want to lay fault with my system rather than your mods you are fighting an uphill battle. jeff Rowland and Watt/Puppy's are a pretty good combo. However I also took your modded TP to my dealer friends showroom where we listened to it through several systems worth over 100,000. The results were the same. Your mods were no better than a stock TP. As for the guy in Cali, that is is his misfortune to spend 1,500 for the same mods you said would cost me 500.00. Yep, the price you gave me was 500.00. Too bad for the Cali guy, huh? Tom, Why the nasty responce? Like I said, over 50 swapped parts, and you heard no difference. With a system like yours you should be able to detect some change in the quality of sound. I am not saying the Rowland or Watt's the culprit. It can be the associated components involved. One of the major factors I have realized, when people compare these computer streamed players, Is the program, format and options used during ripping thier music to the PC. I do recall you use ACC. My IMO, If I spend multi g's on a system, last thing I am going to worry about is Hard drive space. Why would I want to compress digital audio, keeping wondering if I am missing something? I ended up ripping all my cd's in wave format @ 48, 8 TB expandable with Raid 6, attached storage. I am not saying this is the ultimate solution, but it sure helps me to hear slightest differences with the associated gear used. With ripping in Wave, if I ever decide to compress ( I doubt it), with any format, It will be converted with the uncompressed wave digital audio, giving me a piece of mind, nothing would be compromised.(hopefully). Now for you to now say your took the transporter to your bud's showroom, to help justify your take, along with that silly comment of the $500 mod offer, kind of make me think you have some other interior motives.. Just like the Boulder cables SB3 rant you had going. Many people liked Boulder Mods, and your one of the few that opinion differs. Just like you posted on AC regarding Refrence Audio mods. You was looking forward to RAMS transporter Mod. Now your slaming Ram in this thread? What is your reasoning behind this motive? Many of your posts are contradicting. AP -- aberdeencomponents aberdeencomponents's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35505 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] modding digital of squeezebox (boldercables)
JJZolx;209688 Wrote: And there, folks, you have just about all you ever need to know about Anthony Padilla, MauiMods and Aberdeen. All one and the same slimey entity. This is one of his saner posts. He's embarassed himself on countless other forums with similar ranting. Jim, I never embarassed myself in any forum. Only Scum like you, try to make it seem that way. The same scum like you, who has nothing better to do, who has no clue or has no intrest in the thread itself. Get a life. AP -- aberdeencomponents aberdeencomponents's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35505 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] modding digital of squeezebox (boldercables)
aberdeencomponents;209731 Wrote: kind of make me think you have some other interior motives.. Pretty hilarious, but I'm sure the humor was unintentional. I truly hope that English is not your native language. aberdeencomponents;209731 Wrote: I never embarassed myself in any forum. If your performance in this thread doesn't embarrass you, then you belong to the class of people who are too brazen (or perhaps simply too stupid) to ever get embarrassed. So I guess we can all be embarrassed for you. -- totoro squeezebox 3 - mccormack dna .5 - audio physic tempo 4 totoro's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5935 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35505 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] modding digital of squeezebox (boldercables)
aberdeencomponents;209731 Wrote: Tom, One of the major factors I have realized, when people compare these computer streamed players, Is the program, format and options used during ripping thier music to the PC. I do recall you use ACC, or was it MP3? AP I don't even have to ask Tom this silly question. If he has invested in Watt Puppies, Rowland, TP and this forum I'm sure he's using a lossless format. aberdeencomponents;209731 Wrote: Tom, My IMO, If I spend multi g's on a system, last thing I am going to worry about is conserving Hard drive space. Why would I want to compress digital audio, keeping wondering if I am missing something? I ended up ripping all my cd's in wave format @ 48, 8 TB expandable with Raid 6, attached storage. I am not saying this is the ultimate solution, but it sure helps me to hear slightest differences with the associated gear used. With ripping in Wave, if I ever decide to compress ( I doubt it), with any format, It will be converted with the uncompressed wave digital audio, giving me a piece of mind, nothing would be compromised.(hopefully). AP These comments really show how little you understand about stored music. -- mswlogo Thinkpad XP SS Cat5 SB3 SPDIF-COAX Meridian 861V4 (Trifield, Room corrected, Upsampled) DSP5500 Mains, DSP5500HC Center, DSP33 Rears mswlogo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9090 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35505 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] modding digital of squeezebox (boldercables)
aberdeencomponents;209731 Wrote: I ended up ripping all my cd's in wave format @ 48, 8 TB expandable with Raid 6, attached storage. I am not saying this is the ultimate solution, but it sure helps me to hear slightest differences with the associated gear used. With ripping in Wave, if I ever decide to compress ( I doubt it), with any format, It will be converted with the uncompressed wave digital audio, giving me a piece of mind, nothing would be compromised.(hopefully). Quality was compromised when you ripped a 44.1Khz file to a 48khz. -- snarlydwarf snarlydwarf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1179 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35505 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] modding digital of squeezebox (boldercables)
aberdeencomponents;209783 Wrote: Tom was using AAC. I suggested for him to try a few tracks of Wave format and he never tried it. This comment was my IMO, in what works for me. If you have a better way, I am willing to try. Please advise. AP I believe Tom is using ALAC, sometimes referred to lossless AAC or apple lossless. No need to waste space on wave formats. -- mswlogo Thinkpad XP SS Cat5 SB3 SPDIF-COAX Meridian 861V4 (Trifield, Room corrected, Upsampled) DSP5500 Mains, DSP5500HC Center, DSP33 Rears mswlogo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9090 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35505 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] modding digital of squeezebox (boldercables)
snarlydwarf;209786 Wrote: Quality was compromised when you ripped a 44.1Khz file to a 48khz. With Tact, The gear I use, 48khz works quite well with the ASRC chip used by Tact, as the internal sample rate is at 96khz. The sound quality, imo, is better, with my system. Is there another format you can suggest? please advise. AP -- aberdeencomponents aberdeencomponents's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35505 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] modding digital of squeezebox (boldercables)
aberdeencomponents wrote: I ended up ripping all my cd's in wave format @ 48, Er, CDs are 44.1khz - converting to 48kHz is just making up bits. 8 TB expandable with Raid 6, attached storage. And the size of your storage solution has what relevance precisely? I am not saying this is the ultimate solution, but it sure helps me to hear slightest differences with the associated gear used. With ripping in Wave, if I ever decide to compress ( I doubt it), with any format, It will be converted with the uncompressed wave digital audio, giving me a piece of mind, nothing would be compromised.(hopefully). I'm not sure what you're trying to say here, but you sound out of your depth. You may be some red hot electronics designer/modder - I don't know, I have no experience of your services and am not passing any comment on them - but you sure as hell are way out of your depth when it comes to digital audio. R. ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] modding digital of squeezebox (boldercables)
mswlogo;209794 Wrote: I believe Tom is using ALAC, sometimes referred to lossless AAC or apple lossless. No need to waste space on wave formats. I tried AAC and Flac. It was ok... but when I used wave @44.1 there music was more transparent and had a sence of a fuller body in bass and mid's and increased air. Using Wave @48 pushed these qualities a bit more. Keep in mind using 48 in my system has a certian synergy. In others systems 44.1 might be ideal. fyi: I use digital out only via AES or BNC only. Again, space in not an issue.. Is your prefrence ALAC? Any rip programs would you suggest? Thanks for the input. AP -- aberdeencomponents aberdeencomponents's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35505 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] modding digital of squeezebox (boldercables)
aberdeencomponents;209795 Wrote: With Tact, The gear I use, 48khz works quite well with the ASRC chip used by Tact, as the internal sample rate is at 96khz. The sound quality, imo, is better, with my system. Is there another format you can suggest? please advise. AP Is the Tact hooked Digitally or Analog? If analog there is no correlation between it's A/D input sampling rate and TP D/A output rate. You're better off staying with the native recording data rate. If hooked digitally I would hope/expect tact properly handles 16/44.1 and I would let it do any internal conversion needed to cobevrt to it's internal data rates. Good processors maintain the source data rate (or exact multiples) all the way through. Resampling 44.1 to 48 is like trying to count in Hex with 10 fingers (it gets messy). Most of us use FLAC format. That is a native format supported by TP/SB. It saves space, allows tagging and is exactly the same as raw wave as far as audio goes. Also wave files have almost zero file structure checking. With FLAC and many other lossless formats if the file has been corrupted in anyway you'll know it and you can scan your whole library for integrity. With Wave files you don't. -- mswlogo Thinkpad XP SS Cat5 SB3 SPDIF-COAX Meridian 861V4 (Trifield, Room corrected, Upsampled) DSP5500 Mains, DSP5500HC Center, DSP33 Rears mswlogo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9090 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35505 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] modding digital of squeezebox (boldercables)
aberdeencomponents;209806 Wrote: I tried AAC and Flac. It was ok... but when I used wave @44.1 there music was more transparent and had a sence of a fuller body in bass and mid's and increased air. Using Wave @48 pushed these qualities a bit more. Keep in mind using 48 in my system has a certian synergy. In others systems 44.1 might be ideal. fyi: I use digital out only via AES or BNC only. Again, space in not an issue.. Is your prefrence ALAC? Any rip programs would you suggest? Thanks for the input. AP I have no preference to ALAC. Folks that like to maintain an Itunes library like to use ALAC. All lossless formats have the same quality audio as wave. They all support standard data rates. 16/44.1, 16/48, 24/48, 24/96 etc. FLAC == WAV == ALAC == Lossless WMA == MLP == Your favorite lossless. -- mswlogo Thinkpad XP SS Cat5 SB3 SPDIF-COAX Meridian 861V4 (Trifield, Room corrected, Upsampled) DSP5500 Mains, DSP5500HC Center, DSP33 Rears mswlogo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9090 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35505 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] modding digital of squeezebox (boldercables)
I have never used aac and have never had a conversation with Anthony about the ripping format I use. I use ALAC and have some files in wav. After comparing the 2 and learning about lossless from the many knowledgable and helpful people on this forum I have used only ALAC for 99% of my files. The other 1% are wav. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35505 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] modding digital of squeezebox (boldercables)
All TacT units can handle 16/44.1, but SQ improves when feed files upsampled to 48 with Adobe Audition, or 96 using MS Vista. A Vista PC upsampling to 24/96, connected to a TacT via an RME Fireface is an excellent playback set up. -- jhm731 jhm731's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35505 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] modding digital of squeezebox (boldercables)
aberdeencomponents;209795 Wrote: With Tact, The gear I use, 48khz works quite well with the ASRC chip used by Tact, as the internal sample rate is at 96khz. The sound quality, imo, is better, with my system. Is there another format you can suggest? please advise. AP If your source material is 44.1khz, you are creating data out of thin air. And even worse, you are adding in effectively rounding errors as the clock slices change. CDs are 44.1khz. -- snarlydwarf snarlydwarf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1179 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35505 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] modding digital of squeezebox (boldercables)
snarlydwarf;209837 Wrote: If your source material is 44.1khz, you are creating data out of thin air. And even worse, you are adding in effectively rounding errors as the clock slices change. CDs are 44.1khz. I agree. If the Tact Unit really does sound better with 48Khz instead of Native 44.1Khz, then I'd say the Tact unit has a very serious design flaw. -- mswlogo Thinkpad XP SS Cat5 SB3 SPDIF-COAX Meridian 861V4 (Trifield, Room corrected, Upsampled) DSP5500 Mains, DSP5500HC Center, DSP33 Rears mswlogo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9090 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35505 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] modding digital of squeezebox (boldercables)
mswlogo;209808 Wrote: Is the Tact hooked Digitally or Analog? If analog there is no correlation between it's A/D input sampling rate and TP D/A output rate. You're better off staying with the native recording data rate. If hooked digitally I would hope/expect tact properly handles 16/44.1 and I would let it do any internal conversion needed to convert to it's internal data rates. Good processors maintain the source data rate (or exact multiples) all the way through. Resampling 44.1 to 48 is like trying to count in Hex with 10 fingers (it gets messy). You said Tact uses 96 sampling rate with refers to an A/D to rate. If your not using analog it probably has no factor at all in this discussion. Most of us use FLAC format. That is a native format supported by TP/SB. It saves space, allows tagging and is exactly the same as raw wave as far as audio goes. Also wave files have almost zero file structure checking. With FLAC and many other lossless formats if the file has been corrupted in anyway you'll know it and you can scan your whole library for integrity. With Wave files you don't. Let me rephase: TacT works like this: digital input can take a signal anywheres from 44.1 to 192. right after the digital reciever, the AD1896 ASRC coverts any sample rate input to 96. 96 is the rate used in the DSP then after DSP, it goes to another AD1896 ASRC, at the AD1986, you can control the output anywheres from 44.1 to 196, then to digital transmitter to output. From the output you can go to a DAC (internal or External of choice). In my system I go to a TAcT digital amp(s) and again, it goes threw the above, but the DSP 96khz goes threw a PCM to PWM output. As you see, the Ideal would be set the ASRC to bypass internally, and feed the system 96 throughout. The tricky part is to feed it a well coverted 96 khz signal. A few TacT users will take it to thier grave, the AD1896 chip is not good, and will use adobe audition to do the conversion. I found doing refinments to the internals feeding good power and clock to the AD1896 ASRC, does a very good job Attenuating jitter along with on the fly conversions. One of my Ref source I like much is my Modded Northstar. The reason I chose the Northstar was for its ability to upsample to 96khz via the AES. The Cirrus logic chip used for the rate conversion sounds incredible feeding the TAcT Rack 96khz throughout basically bypassing all of the AD1896 ASRC's while maintaining quality jitter attenuation. There seems to be some really good synergy between the Northstar and TacT. From the above, now I think you can understand why I like to use wave 48khz using a transporter. The ASRC will have simple math conversions within the tact. I will try Flac at 24/96 as per your recomendations. thank you. Any rip programs you can recommend? -- aberdeencomponents aberdeencomponents's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35505 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] modding digital of squeezebox (boldercables)
Found this in my pm. Since it's pure abuse, and my interactions with this troll have all been in this lovely thread, I don't feel bad about sharing it. aberdeencomponents Wrote: Go f*k yourself, you little pr*k. You think your a tough guy behind that screen? come talk your s*t to my face and I will rip your f#$king head off and hand it to you. OK, buddy, now everyone can see how classy you are. You're a disgrace. Hopefully this behavior on your part will cost you some dupes, err, customers. -- totoro squeezebox 3 - mccormack dna .5 - audio physic tempo 4 totoro's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5935 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35505 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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totoro;209858 Wrote: Found this in my pm. Since it's pure abuse, and my interactions with this troll have all been in this lovely thread, I don't feel bad about sharing it. OK, buddy, now everyone can see how classy you are. You're a disgrace. Hopefully this behavior on your part will cost you some dupes, err, customers. Now that he's out .. perhaps we can say bye-bye. Amazing what some people perpetrate in order to justify their own barbaric behavior. . -- haunyack Transporter - BK Reference 200.2 - Vandersteen 3A Signature. RWA (Analog) SB3 - Rotel RB 1070 - BW Matrix 805. Fridgidare - Mirror Pond pale ale - easy chair w/remote - irritated neighbors. haunyack's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9721 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35505 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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Totoro, thanks for posting that. Be glad Anthony doesn't have your cell number. He called me on my cell twice today, ranting. He probably should take a class in public/customer relations :-) -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35505 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] modding digital of squeezebox (boldercables)
I'm going to say this once... Personal attacks via this forum in either open posts or PM's will not be tolerated. Both sides need to stop it now or you will be banned. Thank you, Mike -- mvalera Michael Valera Online Communities Manager slimdevices.com mvalera's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11086 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35505 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] modding digital of squeezebox (boldercables)
TOM SAID: I would have to disagree with you on that. The stock TP, balanced outs, was indistinguishable from the modded TP in both long term sighted(2 weeks) and short term blind tests through a very high end system(watt/puppys, Rowland. Listeners included an audio designer/recording engineer, a high end dealer and several professional musicians. NO ONE could hear a difference through the balanced outs. I repeat, NO ONE. Having said that, this modder has an excellent rep and does very good work. The TP is already so good it is hard to make it better ### Hi Tom, I find it VERY hard for someone NOT to hear a diffrence for good or worst comparing a STOCK unit, to a Unit with over 50 HQ parts. Tom, again, that is over 50 parts. There should be a definite change is sound quality. FYI: that unit that you heard no difference was sent to a guy in CA, who had a stock transporter and Rowland amps.. i forgot the speakers he was using... well when he heard the unit... he was speachless. He paid $1500 for the mod, plus his stock unit. $1500 is alot of dough to fork over for no diffrence in sound. And the diffrence in sound was in a very positive way. So this Questions you and and your system. As the limitations Includes a system and ones hearing. Since you had a test audience, we will forget the hearing issue, and lets find that cork in your system that is holding it back. really Until you find that cork, you should refrian on giving your opinion on public forums of ANY kind of gear. This post is no means to bash. I being totaly honest here. Best regards! Anthony Maui Mods / Aberdeen -- aberdeencomponents aberdeencomponents's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35505 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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Skunk;203969 Wrote: I can't believe anyone would buy something from a guy with a Web site like that. There used to be an animation of a dancing club girl at the bottom, but now there is a pool and spa ad. Let me guess, he also runs a pool and spa company? With a site like that it makes me think he wouldn't be above posting rave reviews of his own mods to forums, under a pseudonym. Usually I don't judge people on the forums by their grammar mistakes, because there are a lot of people here from other countries, but he is from Las Vegas! One in particular that bugged me was 'quite'. According to Olive they made the OPUS air tight to make them quite. Quite What??? I wouldn't let anyone modify a 2k transport, but if I had money coming out my ears I'd at least pick the guy who can spell quiet. http://www.aberdeencomponents.com Skunk, Dancing girl is on the Maui Page. Pool and spa, is a paying advertiser. I am from New York. I just moved to Vegas recently. I dont really care about the site, the info is outdated. Plus, I like that way to like to keep scum like you from contacting me with tire kicking questions. As you see it does a good job. Grammar and spelling is not my greatest. Big deal. One thing I can tell you: I have a hell of alot of hands on knowledge than you ever can imagine. And people who delt with me would agree. Its all about the ethics.. Anthony MauiMods/Aberdeen -- aberdeencomponents aberdeencomponents's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35505 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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Guys, please knock it off. We get a lot of complaints when you start going at each other. I would like to ask that you delete those last couple posts, and take it to private email instead. Don't spoil this forum for the rest of us. Thanks, Sean -- seanadams seanadams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35505 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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aberdeencomponents;209673 Wrote: I dont really care about the site, the info is outdated. Plus, I like that way to like to keep scum like you from contacting me with tire kicking questions. And there, folks, you have just about all you ever need to know about Anthony Padilla, MauiMods and Aberdeen. All one and the same slimey entity. This is one of his saner posts. He's embarassed himself on countless other forums with similar ranting. -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35505 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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I would have to say I am surprised by Anthony's reply. I have gone out of my way to be balanced in my opinion of his mods. It does not serve you well, Anthony, to post such replies. If you want to lay fault with my system rather than your mods you are fighting an uphill battle. jeff Rowland and Watt/Puppy's are a pretty good combo. However I also took your modded TP to my dealer friends showroom where we listened to it through several systems worth over 100,000. The results were the same. Your mods were no better than a stock TP. As for the guy in Cali, that is is his misfortune to spend 1,500 for the same mods you said would cost me 500.00. Yep, the price you gave me was 500.00. To bad for the Cali guy, huh? -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35505 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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opaqueice;204658 Wrote: On the other hand it does make sense to judge people by what they've posted in the past, and on that basis I will continue to ignore your posts and read Skunk's. Well said, Opaqueice. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35505 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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opaqueice;204658 Wrote: On the other hand it does make sense to judge people by what they've posted in the past, and on that basis I will continue to ignore your posts and read Skunk's. I will second that, opaqueice. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35505 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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Another mod place : http://www.referenceaudiomods.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PRODProduct_Code=SDTransporterCategory_Code=MODSProduct_Count=44 -- Anne Squeezebox 3 Stereovox XV2 Bryston B100-DA SST Martin Logan Aeon I Sennheiser HD580 Precision Anne's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35505 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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Anne;204675 Wrote: Another mod place : http://www.referenceaudiomods.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PRODProduct_Code=SDTransporterCategory_Code=MODSProduct_Count=44 for the Transporter though... These are the people mentioned earlier in the thread who advertised mods for the Transporter well before it was released. They could have had a Transporter before they were released to the general public but, bearing in mind the attitude of Sean and SlimDevices to product launches this seems a bit unlikely. MC -- ModelCitizen It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. Transporter Bryston 4B ST PMC OB1s SB3 NAIM NAC 102 NAIM NAP 180 Shahinian Arcs http://www.last.fm/user/ModelCitizen ModelCitizen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35505 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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opaqueice;204658 Wrote: On the other hand it does make sense to judge people by what they've posted in the past, and on that basis I will continue to ignore your posts and read Skunk's. Thanks for reading my all my posts. -- jhm731 jhm731's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35505 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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ModelCitizen;204681 Wrote: These are the people mentioned earlier in the thread who advertised mods for the Transporter well before it was released. They could have had a Transporter before they were released to the general public but, bearing in mind the attitude of Sean and SlimDevices to product launches this seems a bit unlikely. MC Dealers had TPs before the public release. -- jhm731 jhm731's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35505 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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jhm731;204748 Wrote: Dealers had TPs before the public release. You might be mistaken on that, I have 3 dealer friends who said they didn't have TP before release. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35505 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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tomjtx;204348 Wrote: Your results may well be different. System synergy and all that. But, IME. the stock , balanced TP is so good it's hard to make significant improvement. Its funny you are the first person that have ever not heard an improvment with anthonys mods. Not that i dont beleive you and yes the transporter driving power amps is ridiculously good but the aberdeen transporter as a digital source was CLEARLY better not just different but much more smoth ,no glare , no brightness ,and even more detajled. But when it returns and if it dossent sound eny better il be upset and then i would proberly send it to reference audio mods and deal with them in the future. Hope you are wrong -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35505 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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tricka wrote: Balanced XLR out's are http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balanced_audio ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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harmonic;204424 Wrote: Its funny you are the first person that have ever not heard an improvment with anthonys mods. Not that i dont beleive you and yes the transporter driving power amps is ridiculously good but the aberdeen transporter as a digital source was CLEARLY better not just different but much more smoth ,no glare , no brightness ,and even more detajled. But when it returns and if it dossent sound eny better il be upset and then i would proberly send it to reference audio mods and deal with them in the future. Hope you are wrong Harmonic, it's not a matter of right or wrong. Everyone has different expriences. I am sure you will be pleased with the mods. I would think twice before jumping to reference audio mods. They advertised 3 levels of mods for TP . They described in great detail what each mod would do. There was one problem: they posted that info BEFORE the TP had started shipping. In other words, they made it all up. Your modder has a long history of good work and as a loyal following, stick with him. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35505 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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tomjtx;204450 Wrote: I would think twice before jumping to reference audio mods. They advertised 3 levels of mods for TP . They described in great detail what each mod would do. There was one problem: they posted that info BEFORE the TP had started shipping. In other words, they made it all up. Interesting, whatever they made up enabled my Transporter to outperform my $13000 GNSC 'Statement' Wadia 861se CD player. Perhaps they know a little more than you give them credit for? Regards Gary -- GaryG GaryG's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2423 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35505 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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tomjtx;204450 Wrote: Harmonic, it's not a matter of right or wrong. Everyone has different expriences. I am sure you will be pleased with the mods. I would think twice before jumping to reference audio mods. They advertised 3 levels of mods for TP . They described in great detail what each mod would do. There was one problem: they posted that info BEFORE the TP had started shipping. In other words, they made it all up. Your modder has a long history of good work and as a loyal following, stick with him. Anthoney has alwasy deliverd exactly what he claimded he would. Of all the manufactors and products i have tried i have almost never experinces what the clamid i would especialy from nuforce. On a personal level he has also been honest and help me one time with an amplifire when no body else would encluding the manufactor. I think that modders are given much less kredit then the deserve every one is questianing there work all the time and the manufators are normaly pissed of because the make them look bad. I cant speak of what other modders do but anthony removed all the digital glar and whit nois and improved the dynamics and detajl extraction in both the transporter and the tact millennium Thos who have experinces full mod tact amps know what im talking about its really somthing. thanks -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35505 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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tomjtx;204450 Wrote: There was one problem: they posted that info BEFORE the TP had started shipping. In other words, they made it all up. Maybe they had a pre-shipping peek? -- Patrick Dixon www.at-tunes.co.uk Patrick Dixon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=90 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35505 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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tricka wrote: Without meaning to hijack and, in a display of complete audio ignorance, may I ask what you mean by balanced out's? Presumably a balanced L/R analogue signal out? And how does one go about achieving that with a transporter. Balanced audio is not about stereo. It is about one channel. To do stereo, you need two balanced cables/outputs/inputs. Normal RCA/phono audio connectors have two signal paths, one down the center of the wired, and the other down the shielding. Phono plugs have a center connector and a outer shield. Balanced cables have three wires, one ground, one signal out, one signal in. The connectors are usually XLR which are big. The analogue signal goes out one wire, in the other at the same time. All relative to the ground. Balanced cables are vastly more immune to noise, as most noise will flow down both the in and out wires and be canceled out. The balanced circuitry on each end is more complicated and thus more expensive. All professional recording studio wiring is balanced. Very little consumer/audiophile wiring is balanced. Smart, talented and good looking audiophiles run balanced connectors from their Transporters to their amps. They do this by plugging a balanced wire into the provided jacks. Simple, n'est pas? -- Pat http://www.pfarrell.com/music/slimserver/slimsoftware.html ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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Patrick Dixon;204472 Wrote: Maybe they had a pre-shipping peek? But how long could they have had it? A few weeks? Hardly enough to establish their claim. These guys,IMO, are snake oil crooks of the worst sort. They are the ones that promote the 400.00 wooden volume control knob with special laquer that improves the sound. I would rather flush my money down the toilet than give it to low life crooks like those guys. The other modder had a TP for a while, tried different mods, is still experimenting etc. He doesn't make claims for things he hasn't yet tried. That would be enough reason for me to prefer him over those lying crooks. Sorry to come on so strong, but dishonesty really bugs me. I would hasten to add, Patrick, that your advertising and marketing has ,IMO, always been on the up and up and I would far rather audition an SB+ than those reference audio guys. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35505 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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Robin Bowes wrote: Pat Farrell wrote: Normal RCA/phono audio connectors have two signal paths, one down the center of the wired, and the other down the shielding. Phono plugs have a center connector and a outer shield. To be rather pedantic, normal RCA/phono audio connectors have two signal paths. *Sometimes* (perhaps even often) the shield is used as a signal path, i.e. the cable is single core. Did you mean connectors? or wires? Of course, all signal conductors have two paths, even if one is the Earth. I have never seen an RCA plug that didn't use the center for one, and the outer connector for signal ground. Even the mega dollar WBT really use the outer 'shield' for the signal path. A fairly common wiring layout for home-built cables is to use dual-core cable for the signal and to connect the shield to ground at one end only. OK, I'll accept that as a reasonable exception that proves the rule. It is probably safe to say that 99% of all RCA/phono equipped cables in the world have one center conductor and use the shield for the other. Clearly some home built and mega dollar cables can have different structures. -- Pat http://www.pfarrell.com/music/slimserver/slimsoftware.html ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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Pat Farrell wrote: Normal RCA/phono audio connectors have two signal paths, one down the center of the wired, and the other down the shielding. Phono plugs have a center connector and a outer shield. To be rather pedantic, normal RCA/phono audio connectors have two signal paths. *Sometimes* (perhaps even often) the shield is used as a signal path, i.e. the cable is single core. A fairly common wiring layout for home-built cables is to use dual-core cable for the signal and to connect the shield to ground at one end only. R. ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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tomjtx;204500 Wrote: I would hasten to add, Patrick, that your advertising and marketing has ,IMO, always been on the up and up and I would far rather audition an SB+ than those reference audio guys. :-) Yeah I still haven't posted any real review of my SB+, as I'm just enjoying listening to it! It sounds great - much better even than my CD player. Good enough that I basically consider the source question solved for many years to come. I'm always a bit sceptical of modders where they just put in more expensive components (like the basic Ref Audio mods). The TP doesn't have cheap parts inside, and replacing a £1 op-amp with a £2 one is surely something that SD tried and rejected. Where they change things more dramatically - their advanced TP mods totally take out the analogue stage - I'm kinda happier, but wonder why they start with a TP - you may as well start with a SB3, as all you're using it for is the system of getting your sound files across, plus the screen(s). Using the TP as a base strikes me as an expensive extra screen and knob! Adam -- adamslim Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others http://www.last.fm/user/AdamSlim/ 'Last.fm group: people who don't listen to any of last.fm's top artists' (http://www.last.fm/group/People+who+don%27t+listen+to+any+of+last.fm%27s+top+artists) SB+, EAR 859, Living Voice Auditorium II plus some other stuff SB3, Shek d2, Ming-Da MC84-C, Harbeth HL-P3ES adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35505 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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Skunk;203969 Wrote: I can't believe anyone would buy something from a guy with a Web site like that. There used to be an animation of a dancing club girl at the bottom, but now there is a pool and spa ad. Let me guess, he also runs a pool and spa company? With a site like that it makes me think he wouldn't be above posting rave reviews of his own mods to forums, under a pseudonym. Usually I don't judge people on the forums by their grammar mistakes, because there are a lot of people here from other countries, but he is from Las Vegas! One in particular that bugged me was 'quite'. According to Olive they made the OPUS air tight to make them quite. Quite What??? I wouldn't let anyone modify a 2k transport, but if I had money coming out my ears I'd at least pick the guy who can spell quiet. http://www.aberdeencomponents.com Usually I don't judge people on the forums by their usernames, but I wouldn't believe anything posted someone who calls himself Skunk, and makes negative comments about someone's products/services without any firsthand experience. -- jhm731 jhm731's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35505 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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Oh dear this looks like developing into a new 'Flame Wars (was Power Supply upgrade)' thread and will inevitably be locked! -- Heuer Heuer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2543 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35505 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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adamslim;204532 Wrote: Yeah I still haven't posted any real review of my SB+, as I'm just enjoying listening to it! It sounds great - much better even than my CD player. Good enough that I basically consider the source question solved for many years to come. Very glad you're enjoying it - that's the aim! Strangely, most SB+ owners seem to pretty much retire from forum postings after their purchase. I wonder where we're going wrong -- Patrick Dixon www.at-tunes.co.uk Patrick Dixon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=90 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35505 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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Patrick Dixon;204552 Wrote: Very glad you're enjoying it - that's the aim! Strangely, most SB+ owners seem to pretty much retire from forum postings after their purchase. I wonder where we're going wrong Uuumm... you haven't got any forums. :-) MC -- ModelCitizen It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. Transporter Bryston 4B ST PMC OB1s SB3 NAIM NAC 102 NAIM NAP 180 Shahinian Arcs http://www.last.fm/user/ModelCitizen ModelCitizen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35505 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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GaryG;204145 Wrote: The Big Ben will work with an SB: Sorry, I should have phrased what I meant better. It won't completely remove the S/PDIF clock resynchronisation issue at the DAC, unless you use a word clock input on the transport. I didn't mean it won't improve (the digital output of) an SB3, although I suspect there are more cost efficient ways. -- Patrick Dixon www.at-tunes.co.uk Patrick Dixon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=90 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35505 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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GaryG;204145 Wrote: I sold my Off-Ramp Turbo, Wadia 270 and Big Ben and bought a modified Wadia 861se followed by an SB+. Regards Gary Would that have been a Steve Huntley Great Northern Sounds modified Wadia? He did excellent work on my Audio Research LS22. I am now running a Transporter into a DAX Discrete via AES and I have to say it sounds very good. -- Heuer Heuer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2543 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35505 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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Yes, a GNSC 'Statement' Wadia 861se, I've now put it up for sale and will shortly be selling my SB+ as I've now got a Reference Audio modified Transporter, Btw, I used to have a DAX Discrete, upgraded from a DAX Decade (both Black Gate versions), although I preferred the Decade and sold the Discrete and went back to a Decade. Regards Gary -- GaryG GaryG's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2423 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35505 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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The part about the site i absolutly agree on. He can also have a strange way of promoting himself thats also true and is not doing enything good for him. Im no newbi to this hobby who have convinced myself that bitperfect means the best sound in the world. I have tryed it all powerconditioners platforms expensiv cables and vasted a fortune and never hearing enything that clearly makes the sound sound better Only differences. I was xtremly skeptik and many audiophils frinds did not thing it was a good idea mostly based on how his site looks. I whent through alot of research and emails with non biasd tact people before i let him touch eny of my amps. I found out that his bussisnes is based on recordmendations from people that have tryed his mods not his site because then he wouldent have one singel customer . just think about that. But since there was money back garanti i pulled the tricker and send him my tact millennium mk3from my home country denmark you know the city in europe. when i got it back i he got my respect and all my audio buddys as well. Thats why i gave him free hands on the transporter and since i had a stock on i could compare the against eathother also. He was recormendet to he through many none biased people from the tact audo and lyngdorf audio comunity where he is pretty much as big a name as tact and lyngdorf itself because his work dos wonders to the tact gear. One of them had his amplifire moddified by The upgrade company first and them by aberdeen components and he have been raving about it ever since. infact every on who have had enything done by anthony starts raving about it because this guy really dilevers. Not only do i thing its infantile to proclaim that the man is ussless because of his internet site i think its done right stupid. I think its sad that there is such a angry tone on this forum aganist enyone who things differently or have heard somthing that sounds better then the mighty stock transporter.(wich by the way sounds glarish sharp and lifeless compared to the aberdeen transporter) ignorance seems to describe this forum pretty good You dont know what you are missing until you hear it . i learn that the day i received my moddified tact millennium thanks and good luck -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35505 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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harmonic;204220 Wrote: Not only do i thing its infantile to proclaim that the man is ussless because of his internet site i think its done right stupid. Well I didn't say he's useless save for Web design. I think its sad that there is such a angry tone on this forum aganist enyone who things differently or have heard somthing that sounds better then the mighty stock transporter.(wich by the way sounds glarish sharp and lifeless compared to the aberdeen transporter) ignorance seems to describe this forum pretty good Sure there are a lot of fanboys here, but that's probably true of tactHackers or any other hardware forum as well. There are also a lot of people here who know modding is worthwhile and help others figure it out, a designer who is open about the product and it's potential for improvement, and -moreso than most sites- a contingent of scientists/engineers from fields other than audio. Differences of opinion are unavoidable, and what make earth an interesting place to live. I apologize if I contributed to that impression of the forum though. -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35505 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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GaryG;204209 Wrote: Yes, a GNSC 'Statement' Wadia 861se, I've now put it up for sale and will shortly be selling my SB+ as I've now got a Reference Audio modified Transporter, Btw, I used to have a DAX Discrete, upgraded from a DAX Decade (both Black Gate versions), although I preferred the Decade and sold the Discrete and went back to a Decade. Regards Gary Are you running the modded Transporter without an external DAC? After listening to the Discrete in my system I found the opposite to you and difficult to go back to the Decade - must be system dependant. I am currently comparing 24/96 ND's made from my SME20/Koetsu Platinum/Sutherland Ph.D to the FLAC files via Transporter (my passion is vinyl) and they are fairly close in terms of sound quality. A little loss of 'air' but impressive none the less. -- Heuer Heuer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2543 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35505 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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Heuer;204231 Wrote: Are you running the modded Transporter without an external DAC? Yes, the analogue output is superb! I did extensive testing of the Transporter as a transport into the DAC section of my Wadia and the Wadia as a Transport into the Transporter and am now happy to just use the Transporter. Once I've sold the Wadia and SB+ I will have some further mods done on the Transporter. Heuer;204231 Wrote: After listening to the Discrete in my system I found the opposite to you and difficult to go back to the Decade - must be system dependant. Did you have the Black Gate mods on your DACs? For me the Discrete with the Black Gate mods was too much of a shift in tonal balance, very bright in my system, although easily a higher resolution than the Black Gate Decade. Are you in the UK? I remember you had a problem with a Mana order before they went bust. Regards Gary -- GaryG GaryG's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2423 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35505 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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I think its sad that there is such a angry tone on this forum aganist enyone who things differently or have heard somthing that sounds better then the mighty stock transporter.(wich by the way sounds glarish sharp and lifeless compared to the aberdeen transporter thanks and good luck I would have to disagree with you on that. The stock TP, balanced outs, was indistinguishable from the modded TP in both long term sighted(2 weeks) and short term blind tests through a very high end system(watt/puppys, Rowland. Listeners included an audio designer/recording engineer, a high end dealer and several professional musicians. NO ONE could hear a difference through the balanced outs. I repeat, NO ONE. Having said that, this modder has an excellent rep and does very good work. The TP is already so good it is hard to make it better.. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35505 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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GaryG;204237 Wrote: Yes, the analogue output is superb! I did extensive testing of the Transporter as a transport into the DAC section of my Wadia and the Wadia as a Transport into the Transporter and am now happy to just use the Transporter. Once I've sold the Wadia and SB+ I will have some further mods done on the Transporter. Did you have the Black Gate mods on your DACs? For me the Discrete with the Black Gate mods was too much of a shift in tonal balance, very bright in my system, although easily a higher resolution than the Black Gate Decade. Are you in the UK? I remember you had a problem with a Mana order before they went bust. Regards Gary I did not have the Black Gate mods done on the Discrete for that very reason. The standard unit sounded better to my ears. I am indeed in the UK and did have a problem with Mana - now resolved. My system was featured in the May issue of HFN if you subscribe. Regards -- Heuer Heuer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2543 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35505 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] modding digital of squeezebox (boldercables)
Are you sure the aberdeen components transporter had the analog part moddified ? Mine diddent. I diddent ask him about it but actually thourgt it was . mine was one of the first ones leaving las vegas and mine was only optimized as a transport for my tact millennium and my findings is only based apone how it works as a transport vs a stock transporter wich i also have. He has been working on the transporter for some time now and have developed further improvments to the digital part but also a complet mod for the analog part . Mine is in his lab as we speak getting the full treatment. The stock transporter used as a preamp and player into power amps sounds so good that im droping the tact gear and buying linn klimax solos amplifires instead. The stock transporter using the dac an as player is very very good indeed but as a pure transport the aberdeen version im sorry to say made the stock tp sound glarish and grani. Eny one in the copenhagen area are welcome to come and listen for them self. thanks tomjtx;204270 Wrote: I think its sad that there is such a angry tone on this forum aganist enyone who things differently or have heard somthing that sounds better then the mighty stock transporter.(wich by the way sounds glarish sharp and lifeless compared to the aberdeen transporter thanks and good luck I would have to disagree with you on that. The stock TP, balanced outs, was indistinguishable from the modded TP in both long term sighted(2 weeks) and short term blind tests through a very high end system(watt/puppys, Rowland. Listeners included an audio designer/recording engineer, a high end dealer and several professional musicians. NO ONE could hear a difference through the balanced outs. I repeat, NO ONE. Having said that, this modder has an excellent rep and does very good work. The TP is already so good it is hard to make it better.. -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35505 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] modding digital of squeezebox (boldercables)
Skunk;204225 Wrote: Well I didn't say he's useless save for Web design. Sure there are a lot of fanboys here, but that's probably true of tactHackers or any other hardware forum as well. There are also a lot of people here who know modding is worthwhile and help others figure it out, a designer who is open about the product and it's potential for improvement, and -moreso than most sites- a contingent of scientists/engineers from fields other than audio. Differences of opinion are unavoidable, and what make earth an interesting place to live. I apologize if I contributed to that impression of the forum though. I agree Audio is a strange thing but as well as cars ,bikes boats airplains it can be moddified to the better especialy digital sources. -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35505 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] modding digital of squeezebox (boldercables)
Harmonic, Yes, I had the fully , analog modded TP with new op amps and blackgate caps etc. Both the modded and stock TP's sounded better with balanced outs and were indistinguishable. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35505 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] modding digital of squeezebox (boldercables)
tomjtx;204322 Wrote: Harmonic, Yes, I had the fully , analog modded TP with new op amps and blackgate caps etc. Both the modded and stock TP's sounded better with balanced outs and were indistinguishable. Well that dossent sound very promissing I will soon find out for myself have the two compare have you talked to anthony about it? If you cant here eny diffrences at all i would contact him who knows maybe he have an explenation -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35505 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] modding digital of squeezebox (boldercables)
harmonic;204333 Wrote: Well that dossent sound very promissing I will soon find out for myself have the two compare have you talked to anthony about it? If you cant here eny diffrences at all i would contact him who knows maybe he have an explenation Your results may well be different. System synergy and all that. But, IME. the stock , balanced TP is so good it's hard to make significant improvement. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35505 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] modding digital of squeezebox (boldercables)
Thanks for the reply Tom - unfortunately given my lack of knowledge it doesn't help me too much. Balanced XLR out's arecompared to RCA's . Is one analogue and one digital (really displaying ignorance here)? Cheers T -- tricka I know i should be doing something but I'm buggered if I know what it is... sb3 and... Lite AH DAC (Modded), Trends TA 10.1 (Modded), Rose Voix Mozarts (Leisure 2 SE's). tricka's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11614 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35505 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] modding digital of squeezebox (boldercables)
tricka;204404 Wrote: Without meaning to hijack and, in a display of complete audio ignorance, may I ask what you mean by balanced out's? Presumably a balanced L/R analogue signal out? And how does one go about achieving that with a transporter. Secondly has anyone driven a transporter by an SLA battery? (Big Hijack this one) remember loving and kind to the newbie's... he he Tricka Transporter has both XLR (balanced) and RCA analogue outs. My amp is fully balanced and transporter sounds better in that configuration in my system, YMMV -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35505 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] modding digital of squeezebox (boldercables)
Heuer;203873 Wrote: External DAC's usually have no such limitations. Although they do have to cope with the various problems of synchronising clocks over the S/PDIF link. -- Patrick Dixon www.at-tunes.co.uk Patrick Dixon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=90 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35505 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] modding digital of squeezebox (boldercables)
The part about 0 and 1`s are right however all that goes right out the window when you introduce noise Thats also why the power supply have such a profound effect on the sound kvality. I have a moddified transporter from aberdeen components and have done some tests using a orpheous ref dac Using the transporter as a transport into the dac . At first it gave the impression of a broader soundstage with better seperation og individual instruments. But there was also a diffently incress in glar to the overall sound And somthing happen to the dynamics the music was simply not as livly enymore. Schifting back to using only the transporter as preamp and player the sound became ALOT more focused with the singer in the middel standing out in full contrast and the musicality and dynamics shifts came back . I really thing that making things more simple ehances the musicality to the sound a bit like linn klimax amplifires wich are supendiously musical and have very short signal path in there designs. (Those who have had a wordclock in there system because the use seperat dac transporter upsampler and so on all say that when the use the clock the focuse snapes in.) The soundstage was more narrow but moving the speakers farther from eathother would proberly broaden the soundstage out but keeping that focused dynamic sound. The dealer was the hifi type not the musicality type but he concludede the same as me and ordered 3 moddified transporters (and i do not have enything to do with aberdeen components) We used nuforce ref 9se V2 mono amplifires I really thing that the best sound to get out of the transporter is to get the transporte itsself moddified not introducing more komponents. regards -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35505 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] modding digital of squeezebox (boldercables)
Patrick Dixon;203942 Wrote: Although they do have to cope with the various problems of synchronising clocks over the S/PDIF link. In which case you could always add one of these: http://www.apogeedigital.com/products/bigben.php Their ADC's and DAC's are'nt bad either. -- Heuer Heuer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2543 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35505 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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harmonic;203959 Wrote: I have a moddified transporter from aberdeen components I can't believe anyone would buy something from a guy with a Web site like that. There used to be an animation of a dancing club girl at the bottom, but now there is a pool and spa ad. Let me guess, he also runs a pool and spa company? With a site like that it makes me think he wouldn't be above posting rave reviews of his own mods to forums, under a pseudonym. Usually I don't judge people on the forums by their grammar mistakes, because there are a lot of people here from other countries, but he is from Las Vegas! One in particular that bugged me was 'quite'. According to Olive they made the OPUS air tight to make them quite. Quite What??? I wouldn't let anyone modify a 2k transport, but if I had money coming out my ears I'd at least pick the guy who can spell quiet. http://www.aberdeencomponents.com -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35505 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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Agree with Skunk - the web site says it all. None of the links work other than from the high profile audio logos which simply link to the manufacturers site. There does not appear to be a link back though! -- Heuer Heuer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2543 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35505 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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its a bit hard on the eyes. I do agree though the site turns me off any dealings with whateverisnameis -- el_hefty Inputs - SB3 (Bolder Cables mods) , Marantz SA-14 sacd , Michell transcriptor turntable Jasmine phone stage Pre Amp - Audio Alchemy Digital line controller Power Amp - Marantz 510m modified Headphone setup - Ming Da MC66-AE Headphone Amp Sennheiser HD-650 cans Speakers - Dynaudio Audience 50's el_hefty's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11485 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35505 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] modding digital of squeezebox (boldercables)
Heuer;203960 Wrote: In which case you could always add one of these: http://www.apogeedigital.com/products/bigben.php Their ADC's and DAC's are'nt bad either. Won't work with a SB3 though - no clock input. And even if there was, you would then have to manually switch the clock for different sample rate material (44.1KHz, 48KHz etc). The beauty of an integrated DAC/Player, is that you eliminate the S/PDIF issues completely, although I agree that that alone won't make up for poorly implemented DAC and Player circuitry. -- Patrick Dixon www.at-tunes.co.uk Patrick Dixon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=90 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35505 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] modding digital of squeezebox (boldercables)
none of you seem to have answered the question, or i simply missed the answer. If doing the digital mod, is that the idea of improving sb3s internal dac, so buying a benchmark dac for example is not neccessary, with the idea of using SB3's analogue outs - to amp? or is it designed to improve the digital outputs (optical, coaxial) for an external dac to be attached to, so the external dac gets a nicer signal? -- needanamp needanamp's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11692 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35505 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] modding digital of squeezebox (boldercables)
needanamp wrote: none of you seem to have answered the question, or i simply missed the answer. If doing the digital mod, is that the idea of improving sb3s internal dac, so buying a benchmark dac for example is not neccessary, with the idea of using SB3's analogue outs - to amp? It depends. But most folks either mod their SB3 or get an external DAC such as the Benchmark DAC-1, or a Larvy, etc. or is it designed to improve the digital outputs (optical, coaxial) for an external dac to be attached to, so the external dac gets a nicer signal? If you use the digital output, you are not using the DAC chip inside the SqueezeBox. Most quality external DAC units clean up the signal on their own, so you are pushing into Department of Redundancy Department areas. -- Pat http://www.pfarrell.com/music/slimserver/slimsoftware.html ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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The latter. -- tonyptony tonyptony's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3397 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35505 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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thanks tony! sorted. simple answer. thankyou -- needanamp needanamp's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11692 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35505 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] modding digital of squeezebox (boldercables)
No problem. As to the question of whether you will hear any improvement through the digital mods, that will be for you and your listening friends to decide. In my case there was an improvement. I already had a high end D/A that (in the past) was driven by a equally high quality transport. When I started using the SB3 I noticed a graininess in the upper frequencies by comparison. The BOLDER digital mods made a noticeable improvement all around, and in this area in particular. Even my wife noticed (and she is no audiogeek). What decided it for me was that before the mods I kept going back to my transport as a reference point. Don't do that now. And I had the unmodded SB3 for a good 8 months before getting it modded, more than enough time to get used to it. -- tonyptony tonyptony's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3397 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35505 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] modding digital of squeezebox (boldercables)
Patrick Dixon;204032 Wrote: Won't work with a SB3 though - no clock input. And even if there was, you would then have to manually switch the clock for different sample rate material (44.1KHz, 48KHz etc). The beauty of an integrated DAC/Player, is that you eliminate the S/PDIF issues completely, although I agree that that alone won't make up for poorly implemented DAC and Player circuitry. The Big Ben will work with an SB: http://www.meridianunplugged.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=6;t=000945;p=4#57 Although there comes a point where the Big Ben degrades a transport: http://www.meridianunplugged.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=6;t=000945;p=6#77 http://www.meridianunplugged.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=6;t=001323#11 I sold my Off-Ramp Turbo, Wadia 270 and Big Ben and bought a modified Wadia 861se followed by an SB+. Regards Gary -- GaryG GaryG's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2423 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35505 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] modding digital of squeezebox (boldercables)
Huge! I ran my SB3 through an Audio Synthesis DAX Discrete for 18 months and it was very impressive. Now have a Transporter running through the same DAC using balanced AES/EUB (SPIDF) connection. Sound quality is superb and I am playing a lot of 24/96 recordings I made by doing vinyl rips of my collection. -- Heuer Heuer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2543 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35505 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] modding digital of squeezebox (boldercables)
but i dont understand, because i thought digital out was simply passing out the 1's and 0's, so its not likely to pass out 1, and 0's with any mistakes without the mod, so why mod? and its not like you can get better 1's and 0's is it?! (i assume not - since its a digital signal - but knowing me, im totally wrong) thanks for andswering. -- needanamp needanamp's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11692 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35505 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] modding digital of squeezebox (boldercables)
The 1's and 0's are not the problem - converting them to analogue is! The SB3 has an onboard DAC and built to a price. External DAC's usually have no such limitations. -- Heuer Heuer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2543 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35505 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
