[AZORES-Genealogy] new to group, researching Simoes and Bento of MA/RI areas

2012-07-01 Thread Pam McLeod
Hello everyone,

I am new and found this group after some dead ends on Ancestry.com. My 
husband's father was Salvador Simoes, who we believe was born in Fall River, MA 
about 1926. He died in 1996 after a 30-year estrangement from his sons, and he 
lived only an hour from us at the time ... very sad story. His grandmother was 
Maria Bento Simoes, and his grandfather was Manuel Simoes. I am finding some 
records, but nothing matches up exactly. We believe that both may have been 
from Sao Miguel, and that they lived in the Fall River / New Bedford / Cranston 
RI areas. Both died in Cranston. A Manuel Simoes immigrated in 1913, listing a 
wife 'Maria'; and a Maria Simoes immigrated in 1916 and there was an older man 
named Bento on the same ship as Maria, all from Sao Miguel.

Salvador served in WWII, but outside of his later years in New Hampshire, we 
cannot find any record of him, linking him to the various Manual/Maria Simoes 
combinations. His sisters were Irene Hurley (Cranston, RI) and Stella Lamarre, 
and there may be brothers we are not aware of.

First, I want to ask if there is a place we can visit in the New Bedford or RI 
areas to get some help with Portuguese records? 

Secondly, any thoughts about why Salvador does not seem to exist in records 
from 1926 until much, much later in his life?

Thank you!
Pam

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] new to group, researching Simoes and Bento of MA/RI areas

2012-07-01 Thread Judi Phillips

Pam, Are you sure of the death date?  I found a ss death record for Salvadore S 
Simoes born 22 Jul 1926, died in Bow, NH 31 Oct 2006.  He's buried in the NH 
State Veterans Cemetery, Boscawen, NH.  FIND A GRAVE memorial #72707482
Do you have an obit?

If the birth date is correct, you can get a copy at the Fall River City Hall.  
It,s $15 - $20.
If you are looking for Portuguese records for his parents, you need to find out 
what village in Sao Miguel.  The records from about 1880 back are at the 
Dartmouth, MA, Family History Center, 400 Cross Rd.  They are open Friday 
nights 6:30 - 9:30, and Saturday 10:00 - 2:00.
The person who knows the most about the records will be there this coming 
Saturday.
If you don't know the village, what was the exact date they arrived?  The 
immigration record may have the village.
Good luck, 
Judi

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On Jul 1, 2012, at 12:54 AM, Pam McLeod alto...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello everyone,
 
 I am new and found this group after some dead ends on Ancestry.com. My 
 husband's father was Salvador Simoes, who we believe was born in Fall River, 
 MA about 1926. He died in 1996 after a 30-year estrangement from his sons, 
 and he lived only an hour from us at the time ... very sad story. His 
 grandmother was Maria Bento Simoes, and his grandfather was Manuel Simoes. I 
 am finding some records, but nothing matches up exactly. We believe that both 
 may have been from Sao Miguel, and that they lived in the Fall River / New 
 Bedford / Cranston RI areas. Both died in Cranston. A Manuel Simoes 
 immigrated in 1913, listing a wife 'Maria'; and a Maria Simoes immigrated in 
 1916 and there was an older man named Bento on the same ship as Maria, all 
 from Sao Miguel.
 
 Salvador served in WWII, but outside of his later years in New Hampshire, we 
 cannot find any record of him, linking him to the various Manual/Maria Simoes 
 combinations. His sisters were Irene Hurley (Cranston, RI) and Stella 
 Lamarre, and there may be brothers we are not aware of.
 
 First, I want to ask if there is a place we can visit in the New Bedford or 
 RI areas to get some help with Portuguese records? 
 
 Secondly, any thoughts about why Salvador does not seem to exist in records 
 from 1926 until much, much later in his life?
 
 Thank you!
 Pam
 
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sacramento Expo

2012-07-01 Thread Diane George
My husband and I will be attending.

 

Diane George

 

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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sacramento Expo

 

Hello Listers,  I'm just curious if anyone besides Celeste, myself and maybe
Elaine are planning on attending the Sacramento Genealogy Expo. this Friday
and Saturday?

 

Thanks, Sam in CA

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sacramento expo

2012-07-01 Thread Kathy
I'll be there too!!

Kathy
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] new to group, researching Simoes and Bento of MA/RI areas

2012-07-01 Thread Cheri Mello
Pam M,

Your 2 questions:
First, I want to ask if there is a place we can visit in the New Bedford
or RI areas to get some help with Portuguese records?

You're not ready to utilize the Portuguese records yet.  You'll need to
confirm that the island is indeed Sao Miguel and then find the freguesia
(fregh-Z-ah) which is the village.  Most of Europe is that way (find the
village).

I have a how to guide posted here on the Azores Genweb: goo.gl/9CO4r
You might want to bookmark the Azores Genweb site: goo.gl/HuNWh

Tracing your ancestor(s) in America and collecting all the clues and
analyzing them will help you find the freguesia over there.  One man on
this list started about 10 weeks ago and he just found one freguesia on one
ancestor!

Your 2nd question:
Secondly, any thoughts about why Salvador does not seem to exist in
records from 1926 until much, much later in his life?

You don't say what records you have searched.  Judy P. gave you something
that she found.

However, if a person was born about 1926, they would not be an adult until
about 1944.  It's tough to find records on people between the 1940s to the
present due to privacy and stuff like that.  You will be able to find them
on the 1940 census (just released) when it's fully indexed.  Since he
served in WWII, you'll find records on that.  The rest will be you
sleuthing via the how to link I posted above.

Good luck.  Post what you find from the various sources here and we'll help
you make sense of it.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sacramento expo

2012-07-01 Thread allevaconrad
I'll be there too!!  Diane Lavely

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 I'll be there too!!
 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] new to group, researching Simoes and Bento of MA/RI areas

2012-07-01 Thread Michael Gilfilian
Pam, Cheri is right, if you can download her guide, save print it out like
I did, it really helped me start using a process, after I first joined the
group I realized I didn't have a clue what I was doing. There are a number
of places to look here in the USA first before using the govt pages, I
happen to just have some luck, a genealogist happen to notice one of the
surnames i'm looking for and asked for the names I had. Just so happens
we're cousins and he gave me the baptismal record for my GGgrandmother, her
village, parents and grand parents. Pure luck for me, but it also takes a
bunch of effort and patience. Took me a bit to figure that out.
On Jul 1, 2012 2:39 PM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote:

 Pam M,

 Your 2 questions:
 First, I want to ask if there is a place we can visit in the New Bedford
 or RI areas to get some help with Portuguese records?

 You're not ready to utilize the Portuguese records yet.  You'll need to
 confirm that the island is indeed Sao Miguel and then find the freguesia
 (fregh-Z-ah) which is the village.  Most of Europe is that way (find the
 village).

 I have a how to guide posted here on the Azores Genweb: goo.gl/9CO4r
 You might want to bookmark the Azores Genweb site: goo.gl/HuNWh

 Tracing your ancestor(s) in America and collecting all the clues and
 analyzing them will help you find the freguesia over there.  One man on
 this list started about 10 weeks ago and he just found one freguesia on one
 ancestor!

 Your 2nd question:
 Secondly, any thoughts about why Salvador does not seem to exist in
 records from 1926 until much, much later in his life?

 You don't say what records you have searched.  Judy P. gave you something
 that she found.

 However, if a person was born about 1926, they would not be an adult until
 about 1944.  It's tough to find records on people between the 1940s to the
 present due to privacy and stuff like that.  You will be able to find them
 on the 1940 census (just released) when it's fully indexed.  Since he
 served in WWII, you'll find records on that.  The rest will be you
 sleuthing via the how to link I posted above.

 Good luck.  Post what you find from the various sources here and we'll
 help you make sense of it.

 Cheri Mello
 Listowner, Azores-Gen
 Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
 Tainhas, Achada

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] new to group, researching Simoes and Bento of MA/RI ar...

2012-07-01 Thread AlRose509
The key to research in the Azorean Islands is to learn FIRST which village  
your ancestors came from. This can be a frustrating task ... but a near 
100%  requirement. There are exceptions but they are few.
 
As Cheri Mello advised, research ALL available records in USA first. This  
would include every church record that you can locate (including cemetery  
records), look at every census record (state and federal), locate all civil  
records (birth marriage  death). Look for local probate records, property  
records, legal records. Exhaust all potential sources in USA that might hint 
at  locale of origin or family connections that might offer alternative 
avenues for  research.
 
A note on an exception: if you know two items: exact date of death on an  
island AND the island .. there is a chance that you can write to the specific 
 Portuguese archive for that island and they may locate the village. That 
is the  only Portuguese alternative that I have used with success. There are 
currently  no central databases ... all exist by village
 
The passenger lists are another useful way to see if you can find a village 
 of origin ... but these are US records.
 
Best of luck,
Al
 
 
In a message dated 7/1/2012 3:42:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
mgilfilia...@gmail.com writes:

Pam, Cheri is right, if you can download her guide, save print it out like  
I did, it really helped me start using a process, after I first joined the  
group I realized I didn't have a clue what I was doing. There are a number 
of  places to look here in the USA first before using the govt pages, I 
happen to  just have some luck, a genealogist happen to notice one of the 
surnames i'm  looking for and asked for the names I had. Just so happens we're 
cousins and  he gave me the baptismal record for my GGgrandmother, her village, 
parents and  grand parents. Pure luck for me, but it also takes a bunch of 
effort and  patience. Took me a bit to figure that out. 
On Jul 1, 2012 2:39 PM, Cheri Mello _gfscherim@gmail.com_ 
(mailto:gfsche...@gmail.com)  wrote:

Pam M,

Your 2 questions:
First, I want  to ask if there is a place we can visit in the New Bedford 
or RI areas to  get some help with Portuguese records?

You're not ready to  utilize the Portuguese records yet.  You'll need to 
confirm that the  island is indeed Sao Miguel and then find the freguesia 
(fregh-Z-ah) which  is the village.  Most of Europe is that way (find the  
village).

I have a how to guide posted here on the Azores Genweb: _goo.gl/9CO4r_ 
(http://goo.gl/9CO4r) 
You might want to bookmark the Azores  Genweb site: _goo.gl/HuNWh_ 
(http://goo.gl/HuNWh) 

Tracing your ancestor(s) in America  and collecting all the clues and 
analyzing them will help you find the  freguesia over there.  One man on this 
list started about 10 weeks ago  and he just found one freguesia on one 
ancestor!

Your 2nd  question:
Secondly, any thoughts about why Salvador does not seem  to exist in 
records from 1926 until much, much later in his  life?

You don't say what records you have searched.   Judy P. gave you something 
that she found.

However, if a person was  born about 1926, they would not be an adult until 
about 1944.  It's  tough to find records on people between the 1940s to the 
present due to  privacy and stuff like that.  You will be able to find them 
on the 1940  census (just released) when it's fully indexed.  Since he 
served in  WWII, you'll find records on that.  The rest will be you sleuthing 
via  the how to link I posted above.

Good luck.  Post what you find  from the various sources here and we'll 
help you make sense of  it.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca,  Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sacramento expo

2012-07-01 Thread themom8682

I plan to attend as well.

Lisa Vierra Turrentine



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I'll be there too!!  Diane Lavely
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Family search Index of Azores?

2012-07-01 Thread Pam Santos
Any idea if this has started? I noticed they have Funchal, Madeira indexed
or some of it. (or I think it is)

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family search Index of Azores?

2012-07-01 Thread Cheri Mello
Pam S,

I don't see it on FamilySearch.  Do you want to post the URL?

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family search Index of Azores?

2012-07-01 Thread Pam Santos
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/F2ZM-KQ8  and they have baptisms
different churches too.

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 Pam S,

 I don't see it on FamilySearch.  Do you want to post the URL?

 Cheri Mello
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Alameda Deaths

2012-07-01 Thread Pam Santos
This is interesting I was watching a video on family search. Well I learned
you can browse records that havent been completely indexed yet. if you
click on view all records on the main search page and then go to Alameda
County Deaths, you can view the actual record this is only for 1890-1904.

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Alameda Deaths

2012-07-01 Thread Pam Santos
oops I am not sure if this is only for Berkeley, Alameda County, only. But
still intersting to know that you can search the actual records.

On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 7:56 PM, Pam Santos pamsanto...@gmail.com wrote:

 This is interesting I was watching a video on family search. Well I
 learned you can browse records that havent been completely indexed yet. if
 you click on view all records on the main search page and then go to
 Alameda County Deaths, you can view the actual record this is only for
 1890-1904.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family search Index of Azores?

2012-07-01 Thread Cheri Mello
Pam S,

The Madeiran Government has their CCA web site, but it's called ARM
(Arquivo Regional Madeira).  They have the most records at this time.

The link you sent was Portuguese Marriages so I missed it in the listing,
as I was looking for something that said Funchal.  They have only 59,000
marriages listed.

Family Search is digitizing ALL their records.  I think they told me and
Joao it will take 4-5 years to get it all digitized.  Indexing is an
ongoing project.  To index something outside of the U.S., you need to index
something in the U.S. first to get used to their system.  I don't know how
long it will take to index all their records.  A real long time.


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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with confirming Nordeste natural - Guimar da Costa last name

2012-07-01 Thread JR
I have them as Francisco de Melo Ferraz viuvo (widow of unnamed 
spouse), native of Ribeira Grande com Antonia do Canto (or Soares or Cezar, 
she goes by other names), filha de Manuel Furtado Barreto, defunto 
(deceased) and Guiomar da Costa Gudinho (Godinho), all residents of 
Nordeste. This latter couple, unfortunately, is not listed in Nordeste, but 
would have married circa 1675. I believe they may have married 
in Nordestinho but those records were probably lost and never transferred 
to Nordeste like many others of Nordeste that cannot be found. I could be 
wrong and maybe someone has them from another village.
 
You can probably look up Francisco de Melo Ferraz in Ribeira Grande, 
as Ferraz is a well known name in Sao Miguel.
 
I just looked at who sent the message and it is you, Margaret! Let me know 
if you need anything else.
 
JR
 

On Saturday, June 30, 2012 3:35:49 PM UTC-4, Mara wrote:

 Hello one and all, 

 For a while now I have been tracing my Paternal/Maternal Melo line.  My 
 Dad always said his ggrandmother was from Agua Retorta and he was right I 
 found them there but the record showed they were naturals of Nordeste which 
 led me to Francisco de Melo, who now ends up being  natural of Ribeira 
 Grande and so the quest continues.  His full name may be Francisco de Melo 
 Ferras as indicated in one of his children's marriage records.  

 Francisco married 2nd marriage with Antonia do Canto in Nordeste on 
 05-Jan-1703.  Antonia is the daughter of Manuel Furtado Barroso and Guimar 
 da Costa Morgadinho??

 Is anyone connected to this line that could confirm Guimar's last name is 
 in fact Morgadinho please,  because the record breaks in the middle of it 
 and I'm not certain if it is Morgadinho or if something else.

 Attached is a copy of Francisco de Melo marriage record to Antonia do 
 Canto my 7ggparents for quick viewing.

 Thank you.

 -- 
 Margaret M Vicente


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family search Index of Azores?

2012-07-01 Thread Pam Santos
Well they don't even have the option to index it is why I asked if you knew
when they would start. I know the actual digitizing it will take awhile but
indexing would help.

They also have Baptism for Funchal also, They should change the title so it
says Madeira on it kind of confusing. Now does ARM have the actual records
online or just index?

On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 8:20 PM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote:

 Pam S,

 The Madeiran Government has their CCA web site, but it's called ARM
 (Arquivo Regional Madeira).  They have the most records at this time.

 The link you sent was Portuguese Marriages so I missed it in the
 listing, as I was looking for something that said Funchal.  They have only
 59,000 marriages listed.

 Family Search is digitizing ALL their records.  I think they told me and
 Joao it will take 4-5 years to get it all digitized.  Indexing is an
 ongoing project.  To index something outside of the U.S., you need to index
 something in the U.S. first to get used to their system.  I don't know how
 long it will take to index all their records.  A real long time.



 Cheri Mello
 Listowner, Azores-Gen
 Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
 Tainhas, Achada

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