Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Doutor Gaspar Frutuoso--translation

[Cheri Mello]

Edna Phillips Kern died a few years ago. She translated volume 4 only (the
book pertaining to São Miguel island). You can check the WorldCat to see if
there is a copy near you.
Cheri

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need help with translation!

[Steve Wright]

Thank you everyone! It is Luz!  I have their marriage from several years ago 
when I had Joao Ventura do some research for me.  Good to have their passport 
info.

I have also found their ship manifest, The Mormugao. Interestingly, it ran 
aground on Block Island. Hard to imagine them sailing to a strange country and 
that happening.

Thank you again for all the help that is given on this site!

Colleen

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> On Aug 8, 2016, at 8:19 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Margaret! I just couldn't make it out for the life of me!! 
> 
> Rosemarie
> rcap...@gmail.com
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
> 
>> On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 6:55 PM, Margaret Vicente  
>> wrote:
>> It is Maria da Lus (Luz).
>> 
>> Here's the link to Jose's marriage information but here's the link to  his 
>> Parent's Marriage:
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-SAOPEDRO-C-1880-1889/TER-AH-SAOPEDRO-C-1880-1889_item1/P16.html
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 9:19 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci  
>>> wrote:
>>> Jose Machado da Silva, 26 years old, married and native of Sao Pedro son of 
>>> Antonio Machado da Silva and Maria Deus?? not sure what the name is only 
>>> that it is four letters. 
>>> 
>>> Maria Augusta da Silva, 24 years, married to Jose Machado da Silva, native 
>>> of Sao Matheus, Councelho of Angra. 
>>> Both going to Boston
>>> 
>>> Rosemarie
>>> rcap...@gmail.com
>>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>> 
 On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 4:17 PM, Steve Wright  wrote:
 I have found my maternal grandparents passports and can make out their 
 names, Frequisa they are from but need more help.
 
 Their names are Jose Machado Silva and Maria Augusta Silva
 
 # 424 and 425 in ledger.  
 
 Thank you so very much.
 
 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-TER-1921-1923/PASSAPORTES-TER-1921-1923_item1/P49.html
 
 Colleen Wright
 Researching: Rosa, Cunha, Bettencourt from Graciosa; Machado, Silva from 
 Pico; Machado, Silva and Goncalves from Terceira
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need help with translation!

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

Thanks Margaret! I just couldn't make it out for the life of me!!

Rosemarie
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Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 6:55 PM, Margaret Vicente 
wrote:

> It is Maria da Lus (Luz).
>
> Here's the link to Jose's marriage information but here's the link to  his
> Parent's Marriage:
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-
> AH-SAOPEDRO-C-1880-1889/TER-AH-SAOPEDRO-C-1880-1889_item1/P16.html
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 9:19 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci 
> wrote:
>
>> Jose Machado da Silva, 26 years old, married and native of Sao Pedro son
>> of Antonio Machado da Silva and Maria Deus?? not sure what the name is only
>> that it is four letters.
>>
>> Maria Augusta da Silva, 24 years, married to Jose Machado da Silva,
>> native of Sao Matheus, Councelho of Angra.
>> Both going to Boston
>>
>> Rosemarie
>> rcap...@gmail.com
>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 4:17 PM, Steve Wright 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I have found my maternal grandparents passports and can make out their
>>> names, Frequisa they are from but need more help.
>>>
>>> Their names are Jose Machado Silva and Maria Augusta Silva
>>>
>>> # 424 and 425 in ledger.
>>>
>>> Thank you so very much.
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPO
>>> RTES-TER-1921-1923/PASSAPORTES-TER-1921-1923_item1/P49.html
>>>
>>> Colleen Wright
>>> Researching: Rosa, Cunha, Bettencourt from Graciosa; Machado, Silva from
>>> Pico; Machado, Silva and Goncalves from Terceira
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] The elusive Maria Christo

['celeste perry' via Azores Genealogy]

Thanks, Sam, for the offer to help me.  My version of FTM (16) does not have 
"Publish" on it.  Right now, I am dealing with a health issue so my mind is not 
focused on my computer.  Thanks again, Celeste
Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com


On Mon, 8/8/16, 'Sam Koester' via Azores Genealogy  
wrote:

 Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] The elusive Maria Christo
 To: "'celeste perry' via Azores Genealogy" 
 Date: Monday, August 8, 2016, 5:18 PM
 
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 perry' via Azores Genealogy
 Sent:
 Sunday, August 7, 2016 10:56 AM
 To:
 azores@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] The
 elusive Maria Christo  Thank you, Sam.  I use FTM
 16 and will give your suggestion a try.  Celeste Perry
 ccgran...@yahoo.com
  On Sat, 8/6/16, 'Sam
 Koester' via Azores Genealogy
  wrote:   Subject: RE:
 [AZORES-Genealogy] The elusive Maria Christo To: "'celeste
 perry' via Azores Genealogy"
  Date: Saturday, August 6,
 2016, 8:11 PM  Celeste;  Not sure
 what version of FTM
 you have but; on mine here is how to do it.  1.  Open FTM   2. Click on 
“people” at the top of
 the page 3. Go to the person you want to make the family group
 sheet for  4. Click on “Publish” at the top of the page 5. 
 Under “Publication
 Types” scroll down until “Relationships Report”
 is highlighted.
 6.  Double click on
 “Family Group Sheet”     On the right you can check various boxes
 depending on what you want included.  Once you have the report the
 way you want it go to the upper right hand corner and click
 on the far right icon (share).  Choose “export as pdf” 
 When the window pops up fill in whatever you want or fill in
 nothing and click on
 “ok”.  In the window that opens make sure the top address field says This PC
 > Desktop; then in the bottom address bar name your file
 or just leave what is
 automatically filled in, just be sure you will remember
 what it is called and
 click on “Save” .   Next:  1. Open your email program and fill in who the
 email is going to and the
 subject.    2. At the top of the page on the
 left, hopefully, it says “insert”.  Click on
 it.    3. There should be a paperclip
 icon or perhaps on your email program maybe it says
 “attachment” or some abbreviation of attachment.  Click on
 it.  It should open a window.  Make sure at the top of that
 window it shows the word “desktop”.  If it does
 not, scroll on the left until you see “Desktop” and
 highlight it.    3.  Scroll down until you see
 the name of the pdf you just
 created.    4.  Click on
 it.    5.  The pdf title should now
 show in the lower address bar.   
 6.  Click on
 “open”.  Your pdf
 file should now be
 attached to your email.  Just click “send” and you’ve done
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need help with translation!

[Joe Matias]

424 says Jose is 26 years old native of Sao Pedro of this city.
son of Antonio Machado Silva and Maria Luz.
Destination Boston.
Maria Augusta Silva 24 years old married to Jose Machado Silva
she is native of Sao Matheus
Destination Boston

On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 7:17 PM, Steve Wright  wrote:

> I have found my maternal grandparents passports and can make out their
> names, Frequisa they are from but need more help.
>
> Their names are Jose Machado Silva and Maria Augusta Silva
>
> # 424 and 425 in ledger.
>
> Thank you so very much.
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/
> PASSAPORTES-TER-1921-1923/PASSAPORTES-TER-1921-1923_item1/P49.html
>
> Colleen Wright
> Researching: Rosa, Cunha, Bettencourt from Graciosa; Machado, Silva from
> Pico; Machado, Silva and Goncalves from Terceira
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need help with translation!

[Margaret Vicente]

Sorry, meant to say I don't have Jose's marriage information. The marriage
was probably in S. Mateus.


On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 9:55 PM, Margaret Vicente 
wrote:

> It is Maria da Lus (Luz).
>
> Here's the link to Jose's marriage information but here's the link to  his
> Parent's Marriage:
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-
> AH-SAOPEDRO-C-1880-1889/TER-AH-SAOPEDRO-C-1880-1889_item1/P16.html
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 9:19 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci 
> wrote:
>
>> Jose Machado da Silva, 26 years old, married and native of Sao Pedro son
>> of Antonio Machado da Silva and Maria Deus?? not sure what the name is only
>> that it is four letters.
>>
>> Maria Augusta da Silva, 24 years, married to Jose Machado da Silva,
>> native of Sao Matheus, Councelho of Angra.
>> Both going to Boston
>>
>> Rosemarie
>> rcap...@gmail.com
>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 4:17 PM, Steve Wright 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I have found my maternal grandparents passports and can make out their
>>> names, Frequisa they are from but need more help.
>>>
>>> Their names are Jose Machado Silva and Maria Augusta Silva
>>>
>>> # 424 and 425 in ledger.
>>>
>>> Thank you so very much.
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPO
>>> RTES-TER-1921-1923/PASSAPORTES-TER-1921-1923_item1/P49.html
>>>
>>> Colleen Wright
>>> Researching: Rosa, Cunha, Bettencourt from Graciosa; Machado, Silva from
>>> Pico; Machado, Silva and Goncalves from Terceira
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need help with translation!

[linda]

It looks like "Maria Luz" to me 

:)

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need help with translation!

[Margaret Vicente]

It is Maria da Lus (Luz).

Here's the link to Jose's marriage information but here's the link to  his
Parent's Marriage:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-SAOPEDRO-C-1880-1889/TER-AH-SAOPEDRO-C-1880-1889_item1/P16.html


On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 9:19 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci 
wrote:

> Jose Machado da Silva, 26 years old, married and native of Sao Pedro son
> of Antonio Machado da Silva and Maria Deus?? not sure what the name is only
> that it is four letters.
>
> Maria Augusta da Silva, 24 years, married to Jose Machado da Silva, native
> of Sao Matheus, Councelho of Angra.
> Both going to Boston
>
> Rosemarie
> rcap...@gmail.com
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
> On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 4:17 PM, Steve Wright  wrote:
>
>> I have found my maternal grandparents passports and can make out their
>> names, Frequisa they are from but need more help.
>>
>> Their names are Jose Machado Silva and Maria Augusta Silva
>>
>> # 424 and 425 in ledger.
>>
>> Thank you so very much.
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPO
>> RTES-TER-1921-1923/PASSAPORTES-TER-1921-1923_item1/P49.html
>>
>> Colleen Wright
>> Researching: Rosa, Cunha, Bettencourt from Graciosa; Machado, Silva from
>> Pico; Machado, Silva and Goncalves from Terceira
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need help with translation!

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

Jose Machado da Silva, 26 years old, married and native of Sao Pedro son of
Antonio Machado da Silva and Maria Deus?? not sure what the name is only
that it is four letters.

Maria Augusta da Silva, 24 years, married to Jose Machado da Silva, native
of Sao Matheus, Councelho of Angra.
Both going to Boston

Rosemarie
rcap...@gmail.com
Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 4:17 PM, Steve Wright  wrote:

> I have found my maternal grandparents passports and can make out their
> names, Frequisa they are from but need more help.
>
> Their names are Jose Machado Silva and Maria Augusta Silva
>
> # 424 and 425 in ledger.
>
> Thank you so very much.
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/
> PASSAPORTES-TER-1921-1923/PASSAPORTES-TER-1921-1923_item1/P49.html
>
> Colleen Wright
> Researching: Rosa, Cunha, Bettencourt from Graciosa; Machado, Silva from
> Pico; Machado, Silva and Goncalves from Terceira
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEED HELP WITH TRANSLATION

[Margaret Vicente]

Hi Carmen,

Francisco Jacinto and Jacinta de Jesus make part of my extended family.

To confirm Rosemarie's note about the Godparents; they are a couple.

Also Francisco Jacinto's Grandparents origins are from Candelaria, island
of Pico.

PM me if you're interested in knowing more.

Best,



On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 3:06 PM, 'carmen furtado' via Azores Genealogy <
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>
> thank you ever so much rosemarie
>
>
>
> Carmen M. Furtado
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> On Mon, 8/8/16, Rosemarie Capodicci  wrote:
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>  Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEED HELP WITH TRANSLATION
>  To: azores@googlegroups.com
>  Date: Monday, August 8, 2016, 2:24 PM
>
>  Carmen, you did a very
>  good job!  Birth date is the 8th day of
>  the current month and year
>  Francisco Jacinto, fisherman
>   Jacinta de Jesus parentsnative of this Church
>  of Sao Jose living Santa Clara this freguesia.Paternal grands:
>  Antonio Jacinto & Anna AugustaMaternal grands:
>  Jacinto de Teves  Anna de Jesus Godparents: Francico
>  Janurio da Cunha, fisherman & Maria de Jesus, casados (
>  married but to each other, I don't know) I would
>  probably assume to each other in this
>  case.
>  Rosemarie
>  rcapodc@gmail.comResearching Sao
>  Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico,
>  Azores,Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia,
>  Sicily
>
>  On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at
>  10:56 AM, 'carmen furtado' via Azores Genealogy
>  
>  wrote:
>  hi
>  cheri
>
>
>
>  here's the link
>
>
>
>  http://culturacores.azores.
>  gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
>  PD-SAOJOSE-B-1880-1884/SMG-PD- SAOJOSE-B-1880-1884_item1/
>  P203.html
>
>
>
>  for francisco #164
>
>
>
>  here's what i could figure out
>
>
>
>  july 12, 1882 = baptism
>
>
>
>  is birth date listed?
>
>
>
>  francisco jacinto = father
>
>
>
>  jacinta de jesus = mother
>
>
>
>  santa clara? don't know what this is
>
>
>
>  jacinto something augusta? = paternal grandparents?
>
>
>
>  jacinto de teves and anna do jesus = mateenal
>  grandparents?
>
>
>
>  francisco janeiro of ? = godparent?
>
>
>
>  maria de jesus = godparent?
>
>
>
>  thank you
>
>
>
>
>
>  Carmen M. Furtado
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>   Date: Monday, August 8, 2016, 12:48 PM
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>
>
>   Carmen,
>
>
>
>   You did not state which baptism.
>
>
>
>   Provide the link from
>
>   the CCA. Unless you are a computer wizard and know how
>  to
>
>   make the image work on all computers (PCs, Macs, Linux)
>  and
>
>   for a variety of software that everyone my have
>
>   installed.
>
>
>
>   State what
>
>   you can read from the baptism. Most people can pick out
>  the
>
>   names (or part of the names). Then people can help you
>  with
>
>   the rest.
>
>
>
>   Cheri Mello
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Need help with translation!

[Steve Wright]

I have found my maternal grandparents passports and can make out their
names, Frequisa they are from but need more help.

Their names are Jose Machado Silva and Maria Augusta Silva

# 424 and 425 in ledger.

Thank you so very much.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-TER-1921-1923/PASSAPORTES-TER-1921-1923_item1/P49.html

Colleen Wright
Researching: Rosa, Cunha, Bettencourt from Graciosa; Machado, Silva from
Pico; Machado, Silva and Goncalves from Terceira

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] The elusive Maria Christo

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEED HELP WITH TRANSLATION

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

You are welcome, Carmen. You are doing fine, just need to know some of the
'other' words!! It's easy to see unfamilier words and think that they are
part of the name. You also have to get used to the Priests and their
handwriting! Sometimes they write things all squished together and then
other they drag them out like: ja de funto, sometimes it jade funto
sometimes it's jadefunto! Once you become familier with your village Priest
and the names in your village you will be okay! You really need to download
the Genealogical Word List and also the Portuguese Paleography from the
AzoresGenWeb site, if you haven't already. It really helps to check out the
abbreviations and letter formations. The double "s" looks like ph, Nossa
Senhora looks like Nopha Senhora. The "th" is very odd looking too. It took
me a long time to figure out my greatgrandma's name as Theresa because the
Th didn't look like Th!!

Rosemarie
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Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 12:06 PM, 'carmen furtado' via Azores Genealogy <
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>
> thank you ever so much rosemarie
>
>
>
> Carmen M. Furtado
>
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> 
> On Mon, 8/8/16, Rosemarie Capodicci  wrote:
>
>  Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEED HELP WITH TRANSLATION
>  To: azores@googlegroups.com
>  Date: Monday, August 8, 2016, 2:24 PM
>
>  Carmen, you did a very
>  good job!  Birth date is the 8th day of
>  the current month and year
>  Francisco Jacinto, fisherman
>   Jacinta de Jesus parentsnative of this Church
>  of Sao Jose living Santa Clara this freguesia.Paternal grands:
>  Antonio Jacinto & Anna AugustaMaternal grands:
>  Jacinto de Teves  Anna de Jesus Godparents: Francico
>  Janurio da Cunha, fisherman & Maria de Jesus, casados (
>  married but to each other, I don't know) I would
>  probably assume to each other in this
>  case.
>  Rosemarie
>  rcapodc@gmail.comResearching Sao
>  Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico,
>  Azores,Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia,
>  Sicily
>
>  On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at
>  10:56 AM, 'carmen furtado' via Azores Genealogy
>  
>  wrote:
>  hi
>  cheri
>
>
>
>  here's the link
>
>
>
>  http://culturacores.azores.
>  gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
>  PD-SAOJOSE-B-1880-1884/SMG-PD- SAOJOSE-B-1880-1884_item1/
>  P203.html
>
>
>
>  for francisco #164
>
>
>
>  here's what i could figure out
>
>
>
>  july 12, 1882 = baptism
>
>
>
>  is birth date listed?
>
>
>
>  francisco jacinto = father
>
>
>
>  jacinta de jesus = mother
>
>
>
>  santa clara? don't know what this is
>
>
>
>  jacinto something augusta? = paternal grandparents?
>
>
>
>  jacinto de teves and anna do jesus = mateenal
>  grandparents?
>
>
>
>  francisco janeiro of ? = godparent?
>
>
>
>  maria de jesus = godparent?
>
>
>
>  thank you
>
>
>
>
>
>  Carmen M. Furtado
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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>  TRANSLATION
>
>   To: "Azores Genealogy" 
>
>   Date: Monday, August 8, 2016, 12:48 PM
>
>
>
>   Carmen,
>
>
>
>   You did not state which baptism.
>
>
>
>   Provide the link from
>
>   the CCA. Unless you are a computer wizard and know how
>  to
>
>   make the image work on all computers (PCs, Macs, Linux)
>  and
>
>   for a variety of software that everyone my have
>
>   installed.
>
>
>
>   State what
>
>   you can read from the baptism. Most people can pick out
>  the
>
>   names (or part of the names). Then people can help you
>  with
>
>   the rest.
>
>
>
>   Cheri Mello
>
>   Listowner, Azores-Gen
>
>   Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>
>   Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEED HELP WITH TRANSLATION

['carmen furtado' via Azores Genealogy]

thank you ever so much rosemarie



Carmen M. Furtado 

   
    


On Mon, 8/8/16, Rosemarie Capodicci  wrote:

 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEED HELP WITH TRANSLATION
 To: azores@googlegroups.com
 Date: Monday, August 8, 2016, 2:24 PM
 
 Carmen, you did a very
 good job!  Birth date is the 8th day of
 the current month and year
 Francisco Jacinto, fisherman
  Jacinta de Jesus parentsnative of this Church
 of Sao Jose living Santa Clara this freguesia.Paternal grands:
 Antonio Jacinto & Anna AugustaMaternal grands:
 Jacinto de Teves  Anna de Jesus Godparents: Francico
 Janurio da Cunha, fisherman & Maria de Jesus, casados (
 married but to each other, I don't know) I would
 probably assume to each other in this
 case. 
 Rosemarie
 rcapodc@gmail.comResearching Sao
 Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico,
 Azores,Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia,
 Sicily
 
 On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at
 10:56 AM, 'carmen furtado' via Azores Genealogy
 
 wrote:
 hi
 cheri
 
 
 
 here's the link
 
 
 
 http://culturacores.azores.
 gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
 PD-SAOJOSE-B-1880-1884/SMG-PD- SAOJOSE-B-1880-1884_item1/
 P203.html
 
 
 
 for francisco #164
 
 
 
 here's what i could figure out
 
 
 
 july 12, 1882 = baptism
 
 
 
 is birth date listed?
 
 
 
 francisco jacinto = father
 
 
 
 jacinta de jesus = mother
 
 
 
 santa clara? don't know what this is
 
 
 
 jacinto something augusta? = paternal grandparents?
 
 
 
 jacinto de teves and anna do jesus = mateenal
 grandparents?
 
 
 
 francisco janeiro of ? = godparent?
 
 
 
 maria de jesus = godparent?
 
 
 
 thank you
 
 
 
 
 
 Carmen M. Furtado
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
    
 
 
 
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  Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEED HELP WITH
 TRANSLATION
 
  To: "Azores Genealogy" 
 
  Date: Monday, August 8, 2016, 12:48 PM
 
 
 
  Carmen,
 
 
 
  You did not state which baptism.
 
 
 
  Provide the link from
 
  the CCA. Unless you are a computer wizard and know how
 to
 
  make the image work on all computers (PCs, Macs, Linux)
 and
 
  for a variety of software that everyone my have
 
  installed.
 
 
 
  State what
 
  you can read from the baptism. Most people can pick out
 the
 
  names (or part of the names). Then people can help you
 with
 
  the rest.
 
 
 
  Cheri Mello
 
  Listowner, Azores-Gen
 
  Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
 
  Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEED HELP WITH TRANSLATION

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

Carmen, you did a very good job!
 Birth date is the 8th day of the current month and year

Francisco Jacinto, fisherman  Jacinta de Jesus parents
native of this Church of Sao Jose living Santa Clara this freguesia.
Paternal grands: Antonio Jacinto & Anna Augusta
Maternal grands: Jacinto de Teves  Anna de Jesus
Godparents: Francico Janurio da Cunha, fisherman & Maria de Jesus, casados
( married but to each other, I don't know) I would probably assume to each
other in this case.

Rosemarie
rcap...@gmail.com
Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 10:56 AM, 'carmen furtado' via Azores Genealogy <
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> hi cheri
>
> here's the link
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
> PD-SAOJOSE-B-1880-1884/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1880-1884_item1/P203.html
>
> for francisco #164
>
> here's what i could figure out
>
> july 12, 1882 = baptism
>
> is birth date listed?
>
> francisco jacinto = father
>
> jacinta de jesus = mother
>
> santa clara? don't know what this is
>
> jacinto something augusta? = paternal grandparents?
>
> jacinto de teves and anna do jesus = mateenal grandparents?
>
> francisco janeiro of ? = godparent?
>
> maria de jesus = godparent?
>
> thank you
>
>
> Carmen M. Furtado
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>  Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEED HELP WITH TRANSLATION
>  To: "Azores Genealogy" 
>  Date: Monday, August 8, 2016, 12:48 PM
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>  Carmen,
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>  You did not state which baptism.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEED HELP WITH TRANSLATION

['carmen furtado' via Azores Genealogy]

hi cheri

here's the link

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1880-1884/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1880-1884_item1/P203.html

for francisco #164

here's what i could figure out

july 12, 1882 = baptism

is birth date listed?

francisco jacinto = father

jacinta de jesus = mother

santa clara? don't know what this is

jacinto something augusta? = paternal grandparents?

jacinto de teves and anna do jesus = mateenal grandparents?

francisco janeiro of ? = godparent?

maria de jesus = godparent?

thank you


Carmen M. Furtado 

  
   
    


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 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEED HELP WITH TRANSLATION
 To: "Azores Genealogy" 
 Date: Monday, August 8, 2016, 12:48 PM
 
 Carmen,
 
 You did not state which baptism. 
 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEED HELP WITH TRANSLATION

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Carmen,

You did not state which baptism.

Provide the link from the CCA. Unless you are a computer wizard and know
how to make the image work on all computers (PCs, Macs, Linux) and for a
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Consanguinity of couple in attached marriage record

[Cheri Mello]

Bill said, "one bride/groom is a great grandchild and the other a
great-great grandchild of a single common ancestor"

Yes, that is my understanding. Hopefully, Joao Ventura, the archivist will
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On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 9:35 AM,  wrote:

> Thank you Margaret.
>
> I realized that when I realized it was actually the left record.
>
> Since it says 3rd and 4th degree, does that mean that one bride/groom is a
> great grandchild and the other a great-great grandchild of a single common
> ancestor, or that they have two common ancestors (one and 3 degrees and one
> a 4)?
>
> I've seen this multiple degrees before and just not sure what it means.
>
> Bill
>
>
> On Monday, August 8, 2016 at 6:20:48 AM UTC-7, Mara wrote:
>
>> Hi Lee and Bill,
>>
>> Lee, you read it correctly.  They obtained dispensation to marry due
>> to their consanguinity in the 3rd degree. It means they have a Great
>> Grandfather in Common.  Their Grandparents were brothers or sisters of one
>> another and their Parents were first Cousins as a result.
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 5:57 AM,  wrote:
>>
>>> Lee,
>>>
>>> I now think you may have meant the left side which looks like it might
>>> be Jose da Rocha (I can't really make it out, but this might be the name; I
>>> do not see Domingos) marrying Maria Joaquina.  The note on the bottom says
>>> they had a dispensation for consanguinity in the 3rd and 4th degree.
>>>
>>> What I don't know is if this means they two common ancestors, one that
>>> makes them second cousins and one that makes them third cousins; or they
>>> have a common ancestor that is 3 degrees from one of the couple and 4
>>> degrees from the other (such as 2nd cousins, once removed)
>>>
>>> I hope I'm not confusing all of this.
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, August 8, 2016 at 2:30:06 AM UTC-7, bsei...@gmail.com wrote:

 Lee,

 I don't see any reference to consanguinity in this record.  I think the
 couple in this marriage is Domingos da Rocha (I don't see Jose), son of
 Lourenço de Freitas and Maria do Espirito Santo marrying Jeronima Luiza (I
 don't see Maria Joaquina), daughter of Manuel Cardoza and Gracia Maria.  Is
 this the couple you wanted?

 Bill

 On Sunday, August 7, 2016 at 1:25:37 PM UTC-7, Lee wrote:
>
> Jose Domingos da Rocha married Maria Joaquina in 1769 in Sao Mateus,
> Terciera.
>
> I know from a note at the bottom of the record (right side bottom)
> that the two are related.  I am having trouble reading the degree of
> consanguinity though.
>
> Is it the 3rd degree?
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-
> SAOMATEUSCALHETA-C-1740-1782/TER-AH-SAOMATEUSCALHETA-C-
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> Thank you.
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Consanguinity of couple in attached marriage record

[Margaret Vicente]

Hi Bill, I think my response has been inhibited somewhat so, perhaps it's
best to wait for the recommendation Cheri just made.

Cheers,




On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 12:35 PM,  wrote:

> Thank you Margaret.
>
> I realized that when I realized it was actually the left record.
>
> Since it says 3rd and 4th degree, does that mean that one bride/groom is a
> great grandchild and the other a great-great grandchild of a single common
> ancestor, or that they have two common ancestors (one and 3 degrees and one
> a 4)?
>
> I've seen this multiple degrees before and just not sure what it means.
>
> Bill
>
>
> On Monday, August 8, 2016 at 6:20:48 AM UTC-7, Mara wrote:
>
>> Hi Lee and Bill,
>>
>> Lee, you read it correctly.  They obtained dispensation to marry due
>> to their consanguinity in the 3rd degree. It means they have a Great
>> Grandfather in Common.  Their Grandparents were brothers or sisters of one
>> another and their Parents were first Cousins as a result.
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 5:57 AM,  wrote:
>>
>>> Lee,
>>>
>>> I now think you may have meant the left side which looks like it might
>>> be Jose da Rocha (I can't really make it out, but this might be the name; I
>>> do not see Domingos) marrying Maria Joaquina.  The note on the bottom says
>>> they had a dispensation for consanguinity in the 3rd and 4th degree.
>>>
>>> What I don't know is if this means they two common ancestors, one that
>>> makes them second cousins and one that makes them third cousins; or they
>>> have a common ancestor that is 3 degrees from one of the couple and 4
>>> degrees from the other (such as 2nd cousins, once removed)
>>>
>>> I hope I'm not confusing all of this.
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, August 8, 2016 at 2:30:06 AM UTC-7, bsei...@gmail.com wrote:

 Lee,

 I don't see any reference to consanguinity in this record.  I think the
 couple in this marriage is Domingos da Rocha (I don't see Jose), son of
 Lourenço de Freitas and Maria do Espirito Santo marrying Jeronima Luiza (I
 don't see Maria Joaquina), daughter of Manuel Cardoza and Gracia Maria.  Is
 this the couple you wanted?

 Bill

 On Sunday, August 7, 2016 at 1:25:37 PM UTC-7, Lee wrote:
>
> Jose Domingos da Rocha married Maria Joaquina in 1769 in Sao Mateus,
> Terciera.
>
> I know from a note at the bottom of the record (right side bottom)
> that the two are related.  I am having trouble reading the degree of
> consanguinity though.
>
> Is it the 3rd degree?
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-
> SAOMATEUSCALHETA-C-1740-1782/TER-AH-SAOMATEUSCALHETA-C-
> 1740-1782_item1/P78.html
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> Thank you.
>
> Lee Estep,
> Oak Hill WV
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Consanguinity of couple in attached marriage record

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Thank you Margaret.

I realized that when I realized it was actually the left record.  

Since it says 3rd and 4th degree, does that mean that one bride/groom is a 
great grandchild and the other a great-great grandchild of a single common 
ancestor, or that they have two common ancestors (one and 3 degrees and one 
a 4)?

I've seen this multiple degrees before and just not sure what it means.

Bill


On Monday, August 8, 2016 at 6:20:48 AM UTC-7, Mara wrote:

> Hi Lee and Bill,
>
> Lee, you read it correctly.  They obtained dispensation to marry due 
> to their consanguinity in the 3rd degree. It means they have a Great 
> Grandfather in Common.  Their Grandparents were brothers or sisters of one 
> another and their Parents were first Cousins as a result.
>
> On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 5:57 AM,  wrote:
>
>> Lee,
>>
>> I now think you may have meant the left side which looks like it might be 
>> Jose da Rocha (I can't really make it out, but this might be the name; I do 
>> not see Domingos) marrying Maria Joaquina.  The note on the bottom says 
>> they had a dispensation for consanguinity in the 3rd and 4th degree.
>>
>> What I don't know is if this means they two common ancestors, one that 
>> makes them second cousins and one that makes them third cousins; or they 
>> have a common ancestor that is 3 degrees from one of the couple and 4 
>> degrees from the other (such as 2nd cousins, once removed)
>>
>> I hope I'm not confusing all of this.
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, August 8, 2016 at 2:30:06 AM UTC-7, bsei...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> Lee,
>>>
>>> I don't see any reference to consanguinity in this record.  I think the 
>>> couple in this marriage is Domingos da Rocha (I don't see Jose), son of 
>>> Lourenço de Freitas and Maria do Espirito Santo marrying Jeronima Luiza (I 
>>> don't see Maria Joaquina), daughter of Manuel Cardoza and Gracia Maria.  Is 
>>> this the couple you wanted?
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>> On Sunday, August 7, 2016 at 1:25:37 PM UTC-7, Lee wrote:

 Jose Domingos da Rocha married Maria Joaquina in 1769 in Sao Mateus, 
 Terciera.

 I know from a note at the bottom of the record (right side bottom) that 
 the two are related.  I am having trouble reading the degree of 
 consanguinity though.

 Is it the 3rd degree?



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 Thank you.

 Lee Estep, 
 Oak Hill WV

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Consanguinity of couple in attached marriage record

[Margaret Vicente]

Hi Lee and Bill,

Lee, you read it correctly.  They obtained dispensation to marry due
to their consanguinity in the 3rd degree. It means they have a Great
Grandfather in Common.  Their Grandparents were brothers or sisters of one
another and their Parents were first Cousins as a result.

On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 5:57 AM,  wrote:

> Lee,
>
> I now think you may have meant the left side which looks like it might be
> Jose da Rocha (I can't really make it out, but this might be the name; I do
> not see Domingos) marrying Maria Joaquina.  The note on the bottom says
> they had a dispensation for consanguinity in the 3rd and 4th degree.
>
> What I don't know is if this means they two common ancestors, one that
> makes them second cousins and one that makes them third cousins; or they
> have a common ancestor that is 3 degrees from one of the couple and 4
> degrees from the other (such as 2nd cousins, once removed)
>
> I hope I'm not confusing all of this.
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> On Monday, August 8, 2016 at 2:30:06 AM UTC-7, bsei...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> Lee,
>>
>> I don't see any reference to consanguinity in this record.  I think the
>> couple in this marriage is Domingos da Rocha (I don't see Jose), son of
>> Lourenço de Freitas and Maria do Espirito Santo marrying Jeronima Luiza (I
>> don't see Maria Joaquina), daughter of Manuel Cardoza and Gracia Maria.  Is
>> this the couple you wanted?
>>
>> Bill
>>
>> On Sunday, August 7, 2016 at 1:25:37 PM UTC-7, Lee wrote:
>>>
>>> Jose Domingos da Rocha married Maria Joaquina in 1769 in Sao Mateus,
>>> Terciera.
>>>
>>> I know from a note at the bottom of the record (right side bottom) that
>>> the two are related.  I am having trouble reading the degree of
>>> consanguinity though.
>>>
>>> Is it the 3rd degree?
>>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-
>>> SAOMATEUSCALHETA-C-1740-1782/TER-AH-SAOMATEUSCALHETA-C-
>>> 1740-1782_item1/P78.html
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>> Lee Estep,
>>> Oak Hill WV
>>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Consanguinity of couple in attached marriage record

[bsei2816]

Lee,

I now think you may have meant the left side which looks like it might be 
Jose da Rocha (I can't really make it out, but this might be the name; I do 
not see Domingos) marrying Maria Joaquina.  The note on the bottom says 
they had a dispensation for consanguinity in the 3rd and 4th degree.

What I don't know is if this means they two common ancestors, one that 
makes them second cousins and one that makes them third cousins; or they 
have a common ancestor that is 3 degrees from one of the couple and 4 
degrees from the other (such as 2nd cousins, once removed)

I hope I'm not confusing all of this.

Bill



On Monday, August 8, 2016 at 2:30:06 AM UTC-7, bsei...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Lee,
>
> I don't see any reference to consanguinity in this record.  I think the 
> couple in this marriage is Domingos da Rocha (I don't see Jose), son of 
> Lourenço de Freitas and Maria do Espirito Santo marrying Jeronima Luiza (I 
> don't see Maria Joaquina), daughter of Manuel Cardoza and Gracia Maria.  Is 
> this the couple you wanted?
>
> Bill
>
> On Sunday, August 7, 2016 at 1:25:37 PM UTC-7, Lee wrote:
>>
>> Jose Domingos da Rocha married Maria Joaquina in 1769 in Sao Mateus, 
>> Terciera.
>>
>> I know from a note at the bottom of the record (right side bottom) that 
>> the two are related.  I am having trouble reading the degree of 
>> consanguinity though.
>>
>> Is it the 3rd degree?
>>
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-SAOMATEUSCALHETA-C-1740-1782/TER-AH-SAOMATEUSCALHETA-C-1740-1782_item1/P78.html
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> Lee Estep, 
>> Oak Hill WV
>>
>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Consanguinity of couple in attached marriage record

[bsei2816]

Lee,

I don't see any reference to consanguinity in this record.  I think the 
couple in this marriage is Domingos da Rocha (I don't see Jose), son of 
Lourenço de Freitas and Maria do Espirito Santo marrying Jeronima Luiza (I 
don't see Maria Joaquina), daughter of Manuel Cardoza and Gracia Maria.  Is 
this the couple you wanted?

Bill

On Sunday, August 7, 2016 at 1:25:37 PM UTC-7, Lee wrote:
>
> Jose Domingos da Rocha married Maria Joaquina in 1769 in Sao Mateus, 
> Terciera.
>
> I know from a note at the bottom of the record (right side bottom) that 
> the two are related.  I am having trouble reading the degree of 
> consanguinity though.
>
> Is it the 3rd degree?
>
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-SAOMATEUSCALHETA-C-1740-1782/TER-AH-SAOMATEUSCALHETA-C-1740-1782_item1/P78.html
>
> Thank you.
>
> Lee Estep, 
> Oak Hill WV
>

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