Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Vila do Porto - Santa Maria (Pedro Francisco de Bairos and Anna de Andrade Poim)

[Margaret Vicente]

George and Angela,

First and regarding the name, it was originally spelt "DuRciana" (as shown
on the record) currently spelt DuLciana.

My ancestors are Pedro *Garcia* de Bairos and Dulciana Magalhaes, married
Jun 18 1606.

This Couple Pedro Francisco de Bairos and Ana de Andrade married January 8
1680 are not my line.

Angela, I have to agree with you that Rodrigo Rodrigues Genealogies do not
match the Groom's parents on this marriage record.








On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 6:28 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> George, yes, RR is the Rodrigo Rodrigues bookS. I think there were 6.
> Sadly, they are out of print now. :(
> Cheri
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 2:45 PM, George Sousa 
> wrote:
>
>> The Internet is a wonderful place to look stuff up... I take it the RR
>> book is "Genealogias de São Miguel e Santa Maria" by Rodrigo Rodrigues.
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 4:44 PM, George Sousa 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks everyone for your input on this.
>>>
>>> Margaret... I too am a direct descendant of this couple. Slowly I've
>>> been working my way back and was pretty excited when I found this record.
>>>
>>> Angela... what is the RR book (it sounds like something that I should
>>> learn more about)
>>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 2:28 PM, Margaret Vicente <
>>> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 I just took a look at my tree and it so happens I descend from this
 couple and I can confirm it is Dulciana de Magalhaes.

 Here's what I have for the parents of the groom:

 Pedro Garcia Pereira or de Bairos marriage to Dulciana Magalhaes is in
 Rodrigo Rodrigues Genealogies. Capitulo 62 Setion 1 number 3.

 John Roias (JR) helped me with this line.



 On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 2:11 PM, Margaret Vicente <
 margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:

> My take is; Dulciana
>
> On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 1:27 PM, Cheri Mello 
> wrote:
>
>> Now it looks like "Davitana." That's not even a name!
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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Re: Update RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA: Family Tree DNA's "In Common With"

[Cheri Mello]

You'll have to check with your husband's project admin. I can't see your
husband's pages as he's not Azorean. Sorry!

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 10:55 AM, M. Stringer 
wrote:

> Greetings,
>
>
>
> Orig: Search 1: ‘in Common With’ comparison between husband and male,
> identified 4th cousin.
>
> Definitely paternal line to 2xpaternal grandmother, wife of his 2xpaternal
> grandfather.
>
> The comparison male of her sister.  The shared ancestors are her parents.
>
>
>
> The Xmatch female included in the ‘in common with’ results responded to
> email.
>
> She is the niece of the comparison male, thus 4th cousin, 1xRemoved.
> Verified paper and DNA
>
>
>
> How is the paternal XMatch explained?
>
>
>
>
>
> Marsha Stringer
>
> strin...@mstringer.net
>
>
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Update RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA: Family Tree DNA's "In Common With"

[M. Stringer]

Greetings,



Orig: Search 1: ‘in Common With’ comparison between husband and male,
identified 4th cousin.

Definitely paternal line to 2xpaternal grandmother, wife of his 2xpaternal
grandfather.

The comparison male of her sister.  The shared ancestors are her parents.



The Xmatch female included in the ‘in common with’ results responded to
email.

She is the niece of the comparison male, thus 4th cousin, 1xRemoved.
Verified paper and DNA



How is the paternal XMatch explained?





Marsha Stringer

strin...@mstringer.net

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: DNA: Family Tree DNA's "In Common With"

[Cheri Mello]

"In Common With" is a list of names that match you and the other person.
Across ALL lines. It may or may not contain X matches.

Cousin Vicky matches my mom on one line and she also matches my dad on one
of his American lines.

I suggest your contact your husband's project admin for more advice. The
admins can see his pages and will be able to understand what you mean.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Sat, Feb 11, 2017 at 6:13 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Repost for Marsha Stringer, stringer at mstringer.net
>
> Hi from snowy Boston,
>
>
>
> FTDNA ‘In Common With’ search question/problem?
>
>
>
> This morning: Read Cheri’s message, printed fan chart, ready to
> cut/tape/color it in : )
>
>
>
> Yesterday: Discovered/Experimented with the FamilyFinder ‘In Common With’
> Search [select one person to compare w your own results to see who the two
> parties have in common].  Selected known matches of my husband [paper
> research and DNA] and ran the comparison for each.  Created an Excel page
> to record the resulting lists.
>
>
>
> Problem (realized per Cheri’s explanation):  Xmatches are in the results
> of two paternal-line searches (which is not ‘correct’).   Am I not
> understanding ‘In Common With’?  I thought the results would help sort some
> of the unidentified matches in to groups of the identified shared
> ancestors.
>
>
>
> Search 1: Male & Male, identified 4th cousins.  Husb. paternal line.  In
> Common With results include 1 male and 1 female Xmatch.
>
>
>
> Search 2: Male & Female, identified 5th cousins.  Husb. paternal line.
> In Common With results include 1 male Xmatch
>
>
>
> Marsha Stringer
>
>

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Great Grandparents

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

I gave you 5 children which span about 10 years of their marriage so there very 
well could be more after Francilina.  This Henerio could be one of the brothers 
you are looking for. Not sure where you got the name Hnorio from but it could 
be a miss- spelling.

 

Do you know what year they came to the US? I would suggest looking in the US 
census for them which will give you a good year to start looking for their 
birth.   The US census is on line for free if you know where to look.

 

I can send you a GEDCOM which you can load into Roots magic. I will have some 
time to work on it tomorrow.

 

Rick

 

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Cheryle Dougherty
Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2017 5:19 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Great Grandparents

 

I have Roots Magic for my Mac but haven't really started using it much yet. I 
could put your GedCom  file on it.

 

On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 8:15 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel 
 wrote:

Cheryle,  Here are three more children.

 

Henerio born 3 Jun 1883 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1880-1889/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1880-1889_item1/P143.html
 

 

Lucindo born 26 Jan 1885 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1880-1889/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1880-1889_item1/P222.html
 

 

Francilina born 29 Mar 1888 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1880-1889/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1880-1889_item1/P367.html
 

  

Rick

 Richard Francis Pimentel

Epping, NH

 

Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and Ponta 
Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores

  

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Cheryle Dougherty
Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2017 1:16 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Great Grandparents

 

Rick, I think this must be them.  Do you have a tree on ancestry. Maybe I might 
recognize some of the names. They had two sons that settled in Attleborro, MA.  
Hnorio Pacheco (married to a Lucinda in the Azores) and Evaristo P Averio 
(married two sisters in US.  Lidoina and Christina Sousa)

 

On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 4:52 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel 
 wrote:

I have this couple in my data base. Manuel and Philomena were married 28 Nov 
1877 in Santissimo Salvador.

 Rick

Richard Francis Pimentel

Epping, NH

 

Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and Ponta 
Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores

  

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Cheryle Dougherty
Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2017 11:13 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Great Grandparents

 

I was wondering if anyone recognized any of the people on my grandmothers 
baptism certificate.

March 1889 • Sao Miguel, Riberia Grande, Ribeirinha, Azores, Portugual : 
Francelina deJesus Pavao
Church records Diocese of Augra Ribeirinha (town) Ribeira Grande 

Manuel Pacheco Aveiro(?) farmer from this parish and of Philomena de Jesus 
Pavão from St. Maria island of this diocese, where they married, residents in 
Rua do Porto (Port St.) paternal granddaughter of Manuel Pacheco & Antonia de 
Jesus Rebelo and maternal of Antonio do Rego Pavão & Florinda de Jesus. 
Godparents were Manuel Cabral Botelho, shopkeeper, & his wife Maria da Luz 
Ferreira whom I know they are themselves.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for our ancestors who migrated from Azore Islands to Hawaii

['John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy]

Dear Caroline,Greetings!The name would probably have been Raposo da Costaand 
you should certainly continue to search for your ancestry. But I would like to 
save you from disappointment. Ihave been researching Azorean genealogies for at 
least 25 years and I have takenon many research projects over the years. As 
part of my research I have becomevery familiar with Azorean nobility. The title 
of Duke was never conferred uponany Azorean (except for non-Azoreans who helped 
D. Maria II take back Terceir in the struggle with her uncle D. Miguel.) 
Marquês was considered the most prestigious of Azorean titles.Other titles 
included Conde, Visconde, Barão. Rarely did these propertied noblesemigrate. 
(The Barão das Laranjeiras did re-locate to Brazil and died there,but was 
brought back for burial). In only other two cases did I find noblemen(Visconde 
de Vale da Costa;  lived in theUS, and that is because he was appointed 
Portuguese Consul to Boston and didnot return to Portugal and the Visconde de 
Porto Martim who emigrated toBrazil) who emigrated; neither one was from S. 
Miguel. Vale da Costa hasdescendants in the Framingham area.Most nobles would 
have been granted a coat of armsalthough there are some exceptions. Those 
coats-of-arms are all detailed andillustrated in Tombo Heráldico dos 
Açores:Cartas de Brasão de Armas – Heráldica Episcopal, António Ornelas Mendes 
andJorge Forjaz, (Caixa Económica da Misericórdia, Angra do Heroísmo: 2014.) 
Thereis no Raposo da Costa from S. Miguel in the book. An exhaustive sourcefor 
all Portuguese noble titles is Afonso Eduardo Martins Zúquete, António 
Sérgioand António Machado de Faria, Nobreza dePortugal e do Brazil, Editorial 
Enciclopédia, Lisbon: 1961.Over the last 30 yearsI have met many, many Azorean 
Americans who have been told that theirgrandfather or great grandfather was a 
titled nobleman, or the illegitimate sonof one. In a half dozen cases I have 
found that those claims (legitimate orillegitimate) were true. Many Azorean 
Americanfamilies have these family legends, my own family included. 
Unfortunately, theyare legends, albeit sometimes with a tiny grain of truth. I 
tell you all ofthis only to spare you chasing a red-herring. But by all means, 
research yourancestry. You never know what you will find and no doubt your 
family history isas fascinating as that of any nobleman’s family.Let me know if 
I canhelp.John Miranda Raposo 

On Sunday, February 12, 2017 3:39 PM, Reposo De Costa 
 wrote:
 

 We are researching our ancestors Manuel Reposo/Reposa DeCosta from the Azore 
Islands who migrated to the Hawaiian Islands. Head of household was Manuel, 
wife's name was Maria. Our grandmother Maria Raposa/Raposa Decosta was born in 
around 1898 in Hawaii.  Our grandmother had a family crest which indicated that 
my uncle was a Duke, my grandmother died and we could not find the 
papers/crest.  We are wondering what royal family are we related to.  The 
family crest was passed down to our Uncle, who then was called a Duke.  Any 
information on this would be much appreciated.  Thank you.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Great Grandparents

[Cheri Mello]

I think the modern spelling is Honorio, but I'm not entirely certain.

RootsMagic is a decent program. The more you use it, the better you will
get with it.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 2:18 PM, Cheryle Dougherty <
doughertychery...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I have Roots Magic for my Mac but haven't really started using it much
> yet. I could put your GedCom  file on it.
>
> On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 8:15 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
> rickredle...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> *Cheryle,  Here are three more children.*
>>
>>
>>
>> *Henerio born 3 Jun 1883
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1880-1889/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1880-1889_item1/P143.html
>> 
>> *
>>
>>
>>
>> *Lucindo born 26 Jan 1885
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1880-1889/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1880-1889_item1/P222.html
>> 
>> *
>>
>>
>>
>> *Francilina born 29 Mar 1888
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1880-1889/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1880-1889_item1/P367.html
>> 
>> *
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Rick*
>>
>>
>>
>> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>>
>> *Epping, NH*
>>
>>
>>
>> *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and
>> Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On
>> Behalf Of *Cheryle Dougherty
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 8, 2017 1:16 PM
>> *To:* Azores Genealogy
>> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Great Grandparents
>>
>>
>>
>> Rick, I think this must be them.  Do you have a tree on ancestry. Maybe I
>> might recognize some of the names. They had two sons that settled in
>> Attleborro, MA.  Hnorio Pacheco (married to a Lucinda in the Azores) and
>> Evaristo P Averio (married two sisters in US.  Lidoina and Christina Sousa)
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 4:52 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
>> rickredle...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> *I have this couple in my data base. Manuel and Philomena were married 28
>> Nov 1877 in Santissimo Salvador.*
>>
>>
>>
>> *Rick*
>>
>>
>>
>> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>>
>> *Epping, NH*
>>
>>
>>
>> *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and
>> Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On
>> Behalf Of *Cheryle Dougherty
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 7, 2017 11:13 PM
>> *To:* Azores Genealogy
>> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Great Grandparents
>>
>>
>>
>> I was wondering if anyone recognized any of the people on my grandmothers
>> baptism certificate.
>>
>> March 1889 • Sao Miguel, Riberia Grande, Ribeirinha, Azores, Portugual :
>> Francelina deJesus Pavao
>> Church records Diocese of Augra Ribeirinha (town) Ribeira Grande
>>
>> Manuel Pacheco Aveiro(?) farmer from this parish and of Philomena de
>> Jesus Pavão from St. Maria island of this diocese, where they married,
>> residents in Rua do Porto (Port St.) paternal granddaughter of Manuel
>> Pacheco & Antonia de Jesus Rebelo and maternal of Antonio do Rego Pavão &
>> Florinda de Jesus. Godparents were Manuel Cabral Botelho, shopkeeper, & his
>> wife Maria da Luz Ferreira whom I know they are themselves.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Vila do Porto - Santa Maria (Pedro Francisco de Bairos and Anna de Andrade Poim)

[Cheri Mello]

George, yes, RR is the Rodrigo Rodrigues bookS. I think there were 6.
Sadly, they are out of print now. :(
Cheri

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Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 2:45 PM, George Sousa 
wrote:

> The Internet is a wonderful place to look stuff up... I take it the RR
> book is "Genealogias de São Miguel e Santa Maria" by Rodrigo Rodrigues.
>
> On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 4:44 PM, George Sousa 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks everyone for your input on this.
>>
>> Margaret... I too am a direct descendant of this couple. Slowly I've been
>> working my way back and was pretty excited when I found this record.
>>
>> Angela... what is the RR book (it sounds like something that I should
>> learn more about)
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 2:28 PM, Margaret Vicente <
>> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I just took a look at my tree and it so happens I descend from this
>>> couple and I can confirm it is Dulciana de Magalhaes.
>>>
>>> Here's what I have for the parents of the groom:
>>>
>>> Pedro Garcia Pereira or de Bairos marriage to Dulciana Magalhaes is in
>>> Rodrigo Rodrigues Genealogies. Capitulo 62 Setion 1 number 3.
>>>
>>> John Roias (JR) helped me with this line.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 2:11 PM, Margaret Vicente <
>>> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 My take is; Dulciana

 On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 1:27 PM, Cheri Mello 
 wrote:

> Now it looks like "Davitana." That's not even a name!
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
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> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Vila do Porto - Santa Maria (Pedro Francisco de Bairos and Anna de Andrade Poim)

[George Sousa]

The Internet is a wonderful place to look stuff up... I take it the RR book
is "Genealogias de São Miguel e Santa Maria" by Rodrigo Rodrigues.

On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 4:44 PM, George Sousa 
wrote:

> Thanks everyone for your input on this.
>
> Margaret... I too am a direct descendant of this couple. Slowly I've been
> working my way back and was pretty excited when I found this record.
>
> Angela... what is the RR book (it sounds like something that I should
> learn more about)
>
> On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 2:28 PM, Margaret Vicente <
> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I just took a look at my tree and it so happens I descend from this
>> couple and I can confirm it is Dulciana de Magalhaes.
>>
>> Here's what I have for the parents of the groom:
>>
>> Pedro Garcia Pereira or de Bairos marriage to Dulciana Magalhaes is in
>> Rodrigo Rodrigues Genealogies. Capitulo 62 Setion 1 number 3.
>>
>> John Roias (JR) helped me with this line.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 2:11 PM, Margaret Vicente <
>> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> My take is; Dulciana
>>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 1:27 PM, Cheri Mello 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Now it looks like "Davitana." That's not even a name!

 Cheri Mello
 Listowner, Azores-Gen
 Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Great Grandparents

[Cheryle Dougherty]

I have Roots Magic for my Mac but haven't really started using it much yet.
I could put your GedCom  file on it.

On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 8:15 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
rickredle...@gmail.com> wrote:

> *Cheryle,  Here are three more children.*
>
>
>
> *Henerio born 3 Jun 1883
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1880-1889/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1880-1889_item1/P143.html
> 
> *
>
>
>
> *Lucindo born 26 Jan 1885
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1880-1889/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1880-1889_item1/P222.html
> 
> *
>
>
>
> *Francilina born 29 Mar 1888
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1880-1889/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1880-1889_item1/P367.html
> 
> *
>
>
>
>
>
> *Rick*
>
>
>
> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>
> *Epping, NH*
>
>
>
> *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and
> Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Cheryle Dougherty
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 8, 2017 1:16 PM
> *To:* Azores Genealogy
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Great Grandparents
>
>
>
> Rick, I think this must be them.  Do you have a tree on ancestry. Maybe I
> might recognize some of the names. They had two sons that settled in
> Attleborro, MA.  Hnorio Pacheco (married to a Lucinda in the Azores) and
> Evaristo P Averio (married two sisters in US.  Lidoina and Christina Sousa)
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 4:52 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
> rickredle...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> *I have this couple in my data base. Manuel and Philomena were married 28
> Nov 1877 in Santissimo Salvador.*
>
>
>
> *Rick*
>
>
>
> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>
> *Epping, NH*
>
>
>
> *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and
> Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Cheryle Dougherty
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 7, 2017 11:13 PM
> *To:* Azores Genealogy
> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Great Grandparents
>
>
>
> I was wondering if anyone recognized any of the people on my grandmothers
> baptism certificate.
>
> March 1889 • Sao Miguel, Riberia Grande, Ribeirinha, Azores, Portugual :
> Francelina deJesus Pavao
> Church records Diocese of Augra Ribeirinha (town) Ribeira Grande
>
> Manuel Pacheco Aveiro(?) farmer from this parish and of Philomena de Jesus
> Pavão from St. Maria island of this diocese, where they married, residents
> in Rua do Porto (Port St.) paternal granddaughter of Manuel Pacheco &
> Antonia de Jesus Rebelo and maternal of Antonio do Rego Pavão & Florinda de
> Jesus. Godparents were Manuel Cabral Botelho, shopkeeper, & his wife Maria
> da Luz Ferreira whom I know they are themselves.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Vila do Porto - Santa Maria (Pedro Francisco de Bairos and Anna de Andrade Poim)

[George Sousa]

Thanks everyone for your input on this.

Margaret... I too am a direct descendant of this couple. Slowly I've been
working my way back and was pretty excited when I found this record.

Angela... what is the RR book (it sounds like something that I should learn
more about)

On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 2:28 PM, Margaret Vicente  wrote:

> I just took a look at my tree and it so happens I descend from this couple
> and I can confirm it is Dulciana de Magalhaes.
>
> Here's what I have for the parents of the groom:
>
> Pedro Garcia Pereira or de Bairos marriage to Dulciana Magalhaes is in
> Rodrigo Rodrigues Genealogies. Capitulo 62 Setion 1 number 3.
>
> John Roias (JR) helped me with this line.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 2:11 PM, Margaret Vicente <
> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> My take is; Dulciana
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 1:27 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>>> Now it looks like "Davitana." That's not even a name!
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Great Grandparents

[Cheryle Dougherty]

I wonder if the Henerio could be Honerio or Hnorio that I had for a
brother.  Thank you so much for all of your help.
Cheryle

On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 8:15 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
rickredle...@gmail.com> wrote:

> *Cheryle,  Here are three more children.*
>
>
>
> *Henerio born 3 Jun 1883
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1880-1889/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1880-1889_item1/P143.html
> 
> *
>
>
>
> *Lucindo born 26 Jan 1885
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1880-1889/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1880-1889_item1/P222.html
> 
> *
>
>
>
> *Francilina born 29 Mar 1888
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1880-1889/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1880-1889_item1/P367.html
> 
> *
>
>
>
>
>
> *Rick*
>
>
>
> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>
> *Epping, NH*
>
>
>
> *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and
> Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Cheryle Dougherty
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 8, 2017 1:16 PM
> *To:* Azores Genealogy
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Great Grandparents
>
>
>
> Rick, I think this must be them.  Do you have a tree on ancestry. Maybe I
> might recognize some of the names. They had two sons that settled in
> Attleborro, MA.  Hnorio Pacheco (married to a Lucinda in the Azores) and
> Evaristo P Averio (married two sisters in US.  Lidoina and Christina Sousa)
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 4:52 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
> rickredle...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> *I have this couple in my data base. Manuel and Philomena were married 28
> Nov 1877 in Santissimo Salvador.*
>
>
>
> *Rick*
>
>
>
> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>
> *Epping, NH*
>
>
>
> *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and
> Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Cheryle Dougherty
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 7, 2017 11:13 PM
> *To:* Azores Genealogy
> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Great Grandparents
>
>
>
> I was wondering if anyone recognized any of the people on my grandmothers
> baptism certificate.
>
> March 1889 • Sao Miguel, Riberia Grande, Ribeirinha, Azores, Portugual :
> Francelina deJesus Pavao
> Church records Diocese of Augra Ribeirinha (town) Ribeira Grande
>
> Manuel Pacheco Aveiro(?) farmer from this parish and of Philomena de Jesus
> Pavão from St. Maria island of this diocese, where they married, residents
> in Rua do Porto (Port St.) paternal granddaughter of Manuel Pacheco &
> Antonia de Jesus Rebelo and maternal of Antonio do Rego Pavão & Florinda de
> Jesus. Godparents were Manuel Cabral Botelho, shopkeeper, & his wife Maria
> da Luz Ferreira whom I know they are themselves.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Frank Gomes and Manuel Gomes

[Cheri Mello]

California births began in 1905, but they took about 15 years to be in
compliance.
A variety of CA Birth Indices can be found on the FamilySearch Wiki here:
https://familysearch.org/wiki/en/How_to_Find_California_Birth_Records

I'd try the 3rd one. My dad is misindexed and some of the searches don't
use Soundex. The 3rd one uses Soundex on the last name (picks up Gomes and
Gomez). And if you still don't find him, it probably wasn't filed. If he
didn't have one, but received Social Security, he may have filed a Delayed
Certificate of Birth in the 1930s. And do as Rosemarie suggested and try
for the church baptism.

On the one with the date discrepancy, go with the WWI Draft date first. He
was the one who gave the info to the Draft board. He did not supply his
birth date on the death certificate because he was already dead. His son,
who may have been upset at the death, may not have been thinking clearly
and goofed. Or really didn't know. But I'd make the WWI Draft his main
birth date and keep the other one as secondary until you figure out
otherwise.

Cheri

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 1:32 PM, 'Caroline Gomes' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
>
>
> Just an update on what I have found so far.
>
>
>
> I had been focusing my newspaper search to the Santa Cruz County and
> Stanislaus County areas, using Newspapers.com, Legacy.com and Archives.com
> . Thank you Cheri for the link to the Portuguese papers archives.
>
>
>
>
>
> Frank Gomes
>
> - Santa Cruz County is not able to find his birth certificate….looking
> under Francis, Francisco or Frank. I was able to obtain original marriage
> and death certs for him and they only list 'California' as his place of
> birth. Both of those documents have him listed as Frank Gomes.  Everyone in
> the family says that he was born in Watsonville. So I will try Monterey
> County and even Stanislaus County, where his siblings were born.
>
>
>
> Manuel Enos Gomes
>
>   We are still looking for an exact place of birth for him. I was able to
> find his death certificate.  He was admitted to the Stockton State Hospital
> in 1940 and died there April 30, 1942.  His draft card which has his mark
> (X) witnessed by someone (dated Sept 12, 1918), shows his date of birth as
> Oct 4, 1873 but his death certificate shows the date of birth as Sept 4,
> 1875. The informant listed on his death certificate were both Hospital
> Records and his son, Frank Gomes.. So we have a difference in the date of
> birth.
>
>   He received a consent to marry in 1910 Mary A Brown of Watsonville. They
> were listed on the 1920 census in Stanislaus County as the head of
> household and listed coming to  the USA in 1906.
>
>   In the 1930 census of Stanislaus County, he was missing from the
> household as Mary A Gomes was listed as the head of household. Manuel
> reappears in the 1940 census as the head of household, living with his son,
> Frank and Frank's wife, and their daughter, Joann.  Then a month later, it
> looks like he was admitted to Stockton State Hospital.
>
>
>  Manuel was listed as divorced on the death certificate. Mary A. Silva
> Gomes did remarry in the early 1930's to a Jack Silva.  I am now going to
> contact Stanislaus County to see about the divorce records of Manuel and
> Mary.
>
>
>
> I was able to get in touch with the California State archives about the
> stay at the State Hospital.  As you all may know, there is a 75 year
> restriction on accessing medical records in the state archives, based on
> the date of last contact.  So, April 2017 ends the restriction.  But they
> were able to tell me that there was not any mention of a specific place of
> birth.
>
>
>
>
>
> Whew!
>
> Caroline
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Frank Gomes and Manuel Gomes

['Caroline Gomes' via Azores Genealogy]

Hi all,

 

Just an update on what I have found so far.

 

I had been focusing my newspaper search to the Santa Cruz County and 
Stanislaus County areas, using Newspapers.com, Legacy.com and Archives.com 
. Thank you Cheri for the link to the Portuguese papers archives.  

 

 

Frank Gomes

- Santa Cruz County is not able to find his birth certificate….looking 
under Francis, Francisco or Frank. I was able to obtain original marriage 
and death certs for him and they only list 'California' as his place of 
birth. Both of those documents have him listed as Frank Gomes.  Everyone in 
the family says that he was born in Watsonville. So I will try Monterey 
County and even Stanislaus County, where his siblings were born.

 

Manuel Enos Gomes

  We are still looking for an exact place of birth for him. I was able to 
find his death certificate.  He was admitted to the Stockton State Hospital 
in 1940 and died there April 30, 1942.  His draft card which has his mark 
(X) witnessed by someone (dated Sept 12, 1918), shows his date of birth as 
Oct 4, 1873 but his death certificate shows the date of birth as Sept 4, 
1875. The informant listed on his death certificate were both Hospital 
Records and his son, Frank Gomes.. So we have a difference in the date of 
birth.  

  He received a consent to marry in 1910 Mary A Brown of Watsonville. They 
were listed on the 1920 census in Stanislaus County as the head of 
household and listed coming to  the USA in 1906.  

  In the 1930 census of Stanislaus County, he was missing from the 
household as Mary A Gomes was listed as the head of household. Manuel 
reappears in the 1940 census as the head of household, living with his son, 
Frank and Frank's wife, and their daughter, Joann.  Then a month later, it 
looks like he was admitted to Stockton State Hospital.  


 Manuel was listed as divorced on the death certificate. Mary A. Silva 
Gomes did remarry in the early 1930's to a Jack Silva.  I am now going to 
contact Stanislaus County to see about the divorce records of Manuel and 
Mary.

 

I was able to get in touch with the California State archives about the 
stay at the State Hospital.  As you all may know, there is a 75 year 
restriction on accessing medical records in the state archives, based on 
the date of last contact.  So, April 2017 ends the restriction.  But they 
were able to tell me that there was not any mention of a specific place of 
birth.

 

 

Whew!

Caroline 

 

 

 

 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Vila do Porto - Santa Maria (Pedro Francisco de Bairos and Anna de Andrade Poim)

[Margaret Vicente]

Thanks Angela. I think I see what you mean but I'll have to read through
and compare it to the document when I get back home.
On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 3:59 PM Ângela Loura  wrote:

> 3 - Gaspar Garcia Velho, que nasceu em 1594 e casou em 1614 com Isabel
> Gonçalves de Moura ou
> Velho.
> Tiveram:
> 4 - Inês de Andrade ou Pereira de Moura, que morreu a 11.1.1707 e tendo
> casado em Vila do
> Porto a 27.9.1666 com Gaspar de Andrade (Cap.º 246.º § Único N.º 2).
> 3 - Belchior Garcia, que foi para o Brasil, onde morreu.
> 3 - Pedro Garcia de Bairos, casou na Matriz de Vila do Porto a 18.6.1.1606
> com *Dulciana de Magalhães*
> (Cap.º 62.º § 1.º N.º 3).
> Tiveram:
> 4 - Camila de Resendes, que segue:
> 4 - Camila de Resendes, casou na Matriz de Vila do Porto a 7.6.1635 com
> Matias Curvelo Travassos,
> filho de Sebastião Velho Travassos e Maria Velho.
> 
>
> DA DESCENDÊNCIA DE PEDRO FRANCISCO DE BAIROS, O VELHO,
> OU PEDRO PUIM DE BAIROS
> § 1.º
> 1 - Pedro Francisco de Bairos, o Velho, ou Pedro Puim de Bairos (Vid.
> Frutuoso Livro III Cap.º V §
> XVIII). Casou com Jerónima Garcia Pereira (Cap.º 58.º § 1.º N.º 2).
> Tiveram:
> 2 - Pedro Francisco de Bairos, que segue:
> 2 - Ana Garcia de Bairos ou Ana de Bairos Pereira (Nota N.º 1). Casou na
> Matriz de Vila do Porto a
> 15.8.1606 com o capitão Manuel de Resendes Pimentel (Cap.º 30.º § 1.º N.º
> 5), ou de Sousa Resendes
> ou de Resendes de Sousa.
> 2 - Inês Pereira de Bairos, que segue no § 2.º.
> 2 - *Pedro Francisco de Bairos*, baptizado na Matriz de Vila do Porto a
> 25.1.1596. Foi morador em S.
> Pedro, da Ilha de Santa Maria, e em 1640 era juiz ordinário em Vila do
> Porto; a 15.2.1640 foi padrinho de
> um baptizado na Matriz daquela vila e na escritura de aforamento das
> terras de António Fernandes, o rico
> diz que é filho de Jerónima Garcia. Fez dote de património a seu filho
> Manuel de Bairos, então estudante
> (Nota N.º 2). Casou com Branca Perinha de Moura (Cap.º 218.º § 1.º N.º 2).
> Tiveram:
> (...)
> 3 - Alferes *Pedro Francisco de Bairos*, cuja filiação consta de
> escrituras de venda de bens herdados dos
> pais que claramente nomeiam. *Casou em Vila do Porto a 8.1.1680 com Ana
> de Andrade Alpoim ou*
> *Alpuim* (Cap.º 33.º § 2.º N.º 10), onde segue a sua geração.
>
> 2017-02-12 20:48 GMT+00:00 Margaret Vicente :
>
> Angela, do you mind sharing why you are concluding that?
>
> On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 2:45 PM Ângela Loura 
> wrote:
>
> After reading this record, and reading the RR book, i get to the
> conclusion that maybe RR got it all wrong.
>
> 2017-02-12 19:28 GMT+00:00 Margaret Vicente :
>
> I just took a look at my tree and it so happens I descend from this couple
> and I can confirm it is Dulciana de Magalhaes.
>
> Here's what I have for the parents of the groom:
>
> Pedro Garcia Pereira or de Bairos marriage to Dulciana Magalhaes is in
> Rodrigo Rodrigues Genealogies. Capitulo 62 Setion 1 number 3.
>
> John Roias (JR) helped me with this line.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 2:11 PM, Margaret Vicente <
> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> My take is; Dulciana
>
> On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 1:27 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
> Now it looks like "Davitana." That's not even a name!
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Vila do Porto - Santa Maria (Pedro Francisco de Bairos and Anna de Andrade Poim)

[Ângela Loura]

3 - Gaspar Garcia Velho, que nasceu em 1594 e casou em 1614 com Isabel
Gonçalves de Moura ou
Velho.
Tiveram:
4 - Inês de Andrade ou Pereira de Moura, que morreu a 11.1.1707 e tendo
casado em Vila do
Porto a 27.9.1666 com Gaspar de Andrade (Cap.º 246.º § Único N.º 2).
3 - Belchior Garcia, que foi para o Brasil, onde morreu.
3 - Pedro Garcia de Bairos, casou na Matriz de Vila do Porto a 18.6.1.1606
com *Dulciana de Magalhães*
(Cap.º 62.º § 1.º N.º 3).
Tiveram:
4 - Camila de Resendes, que segue:
4 - Camila de Resendes, casou na Matriz de Vila do Porto a 7.6.1635 com
Matias Curvelo Travassos,
filho de Sebastião Velho Travassos e Maria Velho.


DA DESCENDÊNCIA DE PEDRO FRANCISCO DE BAIROS, O VELHO,
OU PEDRO PUIM DE BAIROS
§ 1.º
1 - Pedro Francisco de Bairos, o Velho, ou Pedro Puim de Bairos (Vid.
Frutuoso Livro III Cap.º V §
XVIII). Casou com Jerónima Garcia Pereira (Cap.º 58.º § 1.º N.º 2).
Tiveram:
2 - Pedro Francisco de Bairos, que segue:
2 - Ana Garcia de Bairos ou Ana de Bairos Pereira (Nota N.º 1). Casou na
Matriz de Vila do Porto a
15.8.1606 com o capitão Manuel de Resendes Pimentel (Cap.º 30.º § 1.º N.º
5), ou de Sousa Resendes
ou de Resendes de Sousa.
2 - Inês Pereira de Bairos, que segue no § 2.º.
2 - *Pedro Francisco de Bairos*, baptizado na Matriz de Vila do Porto a
25.1.1596. Foi morador em S.
Pedro, da Ilha de Santa Maria, e em 1640 era juiz ordinário em Vila do
Porto; a 15.2.1640 foi padrinho de
um baptizado na Matriz daquela vila e na escritura de aforamento das terras
de António Fernandes, o rico
diz que é filho de Jerónima Garcia. Fez dote de património a seu filho
Manuel de Bairos, então estudante
(Nota N.º 2). Casou com Branca Perinha de Moura (Cap.º 218.º § 1.º N.º 2).
Tiveram:
(...)
3 - Alferes *Pedro Francisco de Bairos*, cuja filiação consta de escrituras
de venda de bens herdados dos
pais que claramente nomeiam. *Casou em Vila do Porto a 8.1.1680 com Ana de
Andrade Alpoim ou*
*Alpuim* (Cap.º 33.º § 2.º N.º 10), onde segue a sua geração.

2017-02-12 20:48 GMT+00:00 Margaret Vicente :

> Angela, do you mind sharing why you are concluding that?
>
> On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 2:45 PM Ângela Loura 
> wrote:
>
>> After reading this record, and reading the RR book, i get to the
>> conclusion that maybe RR got it all wrong.
>>
>> 2017-02-12 19:28 GMT+00:00 Margaret Vicente :
>>
>> I just took a look at my tree and it so happens I descend from this
>> couple and I can confirm it is Dulciana de Magalhaes.
>>
>> Here's what I have for the parents of the groom:
>>
>> Pedro Garcia Pereira or de Bairos marriage to Dulciana Magalhaes is in
>> Rodrigo Rodrigues Genealogies. Capitulo 62 Setion 1 number 3.
>>
>> John Roias (JR) helped me with this line.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 2:11 PM, Margaret Vicente <
>> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> My take is; Dulciana
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 1:27 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>> Now it looks like "Davitana." That's not even a name!
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for our ancestors who migrated from Azore Islands to Hawaii

[Cheri Mello]

Christine,

Here's a good place to get started on the Azores GenWeb:
https://goo.gl/vOijK0

IslandRoutes.com is a good Portuguese Hawaiian resource as well.

Good luck,

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On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 12:28 PM, Reposo De Costa  wrote:

> We are researching our ancestors Manuel Reposo/Reposa DeCosta from the
> Azore Islands who migrated to the Hawaiian Islands. Head of household was
> Manuel, wife's name was Maria. Our grandmother Maria Raposa/Raposa Decosta
> was born in around 1898 in Hawaii.  Our grandmother had a family crest
> which indicated that my uncle was a Duke, my grandmother died and we could
> not find the papers/crest.  We are wondering what royal family are we
> related to.  The family crest was passed down to our Uncle, who then was
> called a Duke.  Any information on this would be much appreciated.  Thank
> you.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Vila do Porto - Santa Maria (Pedro Francisco de Bairos and Anna de Andrade Poim)

[Margaret Vicente]

Angela, do you mind sharing why you are concluding that?
On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 2:45 PM Ângela Loura  wrote:

> After reading this record, and reading the RR book, i get to the
> conclusion that maybe RR got it all wrong.
>
> 2017-02-12 19:28 GMT+00:00 Margaret Vicente :
>
> I just took a look at my tree and it so happens I descend from this couple
> and I can confirm it is Dulciana de Magalhaes.
>
> Here's what I have for the parents of the groom:
>
> Pedro Garcia Pereira or de Bairos marriage to Dulciana Magalhaes is in
> Rodrigo Rodrigues Genealogies. Capitulo 62 Setion 1 number 3.
>
> John Roias (JR) helped me with this line.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 2:11 PM, Margaret Vicente <
> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> My take is; Dulciana
>
> On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 1:27 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
> Now it looks like "Davitana." That's not even a name!
>
> Cheri Mello
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for our ancestors who migrated from Azore Islands to Hawaii

[Reposo De Costa]

We are researching our ancestors Manuel Reposo/Reposa DeCosta from the 
Azore Islands who migrated to the Hawaiian Islands. Head of household was 
Manuel, wife's name was Maria. Our grandmother Maria Raposa/Raposa Decosta 
was born in around 1898 in Hawaii.  Our grandmother had a family crest 
which indicated that my uncle was a Duke, my grandmother died and we could 
not find the papers/crest.  We are wondering what royal family are we 
related to.  The family crest was passed down to our Uncle, who then was 
called a Duke.  Any information on this would be much appreciated.  Thank 
you.

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Sao Miguel

[Reposo De Costa]

I forgot to mention that that my ancestors were from the Sao Miguel area of 
the Azores. Hoping to find information on Manuel Raposo/Raposa De Costa 
family that migrated from the Azores to Hawaii.  My grandmother was born in 
Hawaii around 1898, Maria Mae/May Reposo/Reposa De Costa.

Thank you for your help.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Vila do Porto - Santa Maria (Pedro Francisco de Bairos and Anna de Andrade Poim)

[Ângela Loura]

After reading this record, and reading the RR book, i get to the conclusion
that maybe RR got it all wrong.

2017-02-12 19:28 GMT+00:00 Margaret Vicente :

> I just took a look at my tree and it so happens I descend from this couple
> and I can confirm it is Dulciana de Magalhaes.
>
> Here's what I have for the parents of the groom:
>
> Pedro Garcia Pereira or de Bairos marriage to Dulciana Magalhaes is in
> Rodrigo Rodrigues Genealogies. Capitulo 62 Setion 1 number 3.
>
> John Roias (JR) helped me with this line.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 2:11 PM, Margaret Vicente <
> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> My take is; Dulciana
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 1:27 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>>> Now it looks like "Davitana." That's not even a name!
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
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>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Vila do Porto - Santa Maria (Pedro Francisco de Bairos and Anna de Andrade Poim)

[Margaret Vicente]

I just took a look at my tree and it so happens I descend from this couple
and I can confirm it is Dulciana de Magalhaes.

Here's what I have for the parents of the groom:

Pedro Garcia Pereira or de Bairos marriage to Dulciana Magalhaes is in
Rodrigo Rodrigues Genealogies. Capitulo 62 Setion 1 number 3.

John Roias (JR) helped me with this line.



On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 2:11 PM, Margaret Vicente  wrote:

> My take is; Dulciana
>
> On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 1:27 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> Now it looks like "Davitana." That's not even a name!
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Vila do Porto - Santa Maria (Pedro Francisco de Bairos and Anna de Andrade Poim)

[Margaret Vicente]

My take is; Dulciana

On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 1:27 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

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[AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Study involving Grandparent/Grandchild

[Cheri Mello]

Blaine Bettinger is doing a DNA study on the X chromosome and wants a
sample size of 500. He's got 150 now. So if you've tested a
grandparent/grandchild (or you ARE either the grandparent/grandchild),
please consider submitting to the study. You don't need a grandparent from
each side, but if you have a grandparent from each side, it would be really
good for Blaine.

He's studying the recombination rate of the X chromosome. What that means
is how badly the cards get shuffled (DNA) when it gets passed down to the
next generation.

If you are interested, go here:
https://goo.gl/forms/gg2n9SSUUKQSt5KG3

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Vila do Porto - Santa Maria (Pedro Francisco de Bairos and Anna de Andrade Poim)

[Cheri Mello]

Now it looks like "Davitana." That's not even a name!

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Vila do Porto - Santa Maria (Pedro Francisco de Bairos and Anna de Andrade Poim)

[Ângela Loura]

Dona Ana Magalhães?

2017-02-12 17:06 GMT+00:00 Cheri Mello :

> I think it's Gustavia Magalhaes.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Abreviaturas Paleografias Portuguesas by Borges Nunes

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

Bob, under 'parents' you need to put United States for one and for another
you haven't filled in the town and state you are in.

Rosemarie
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Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 8:39 AM, rml...@gmail.com  wrote:

> Everytime I try to order I get hung up on the address page. It asks for N.
> Taxpayer.
>
> Bob
>
> On Saturday, January 28, 2017 at 11:15:54 AM UTC-8, linda wrote:
>>
>>
>> In the last week there have been a few posts referring to *Abreviaturas
>> Paleografia* by Borges Nunes.  I know quite a few, including myself,
>> have a pdf of it and find it to be a valuable resource.  Unfortunately,
>> obtaining a physical copy of the booklet has been a bit difficult.  When I
>> made a concerted effort to find one a couple of years ago-- both online and
>> through large independent or academic bookshops here-- I couldn't readily
>> do it.  Happily, about a week ago while researching something else, I found
>> this source:
>>
>> http://www.bulhosa.pt/livro/abreviaturas-paleograficas-portu
>> guesas-borges-nunes/
>>
>> Bulhosa is a well known Lisbon bookshop and they take PayPal, so I placed
>> an order for it.  With shipping, the booklet cost a total of about
>> $16.00-17.00.  A few days after placing the order, I received notice that
>> one of the other books I ordered wasn't available, that amount was promptly
>> refunded to my PayPal account.  They also informed me that Paleografias was
>> in the process of being shipped, so that looks very promising.  Now, it
>> just needs to make its way safely through the Portuguese and US postal
>> systems!  I'll update the group when I receive it.  They're sending it
>> "International Economy" rate, so it's anyone's guess how long it will take
>> to arrive. :)
>>
>> I thought I'd post in case others are also interested in buying the
>> actual booklet.  The only difficulty might be navigating the website and
>> reading the correspondence, as it is entirely in Portuguese.  But, it's all
>> relatively straightforward and the interface with PayPal is easy (and in
>> English).  Here's the notice that my book is in process of being shipped:
>>
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Vila do Porto - Santa Maria (Pedro Francisco de Bairos and Anna de Andrade Poim)

[Cheri Mello]

I think it's Gustavia Magalhaes.

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Vila do Porto - Santa Maria (Pedro Francisco de Bairos and Anna de Andrade Poim)

[George Sousa]

I would appreciate some help with the first name of the groom's mother
(third entry on the right)

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-C-1649-1681/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-C-1649-1681_item1/P39.html


Here is what I have so far...

"Em Oito do mes de Janeiro de seis sentos e outenta annos Recebi in facie
da Santa Madre Igreja o Pedro Francisco de Bairos filho de (P)edro
Francisco de Bairos e de Sua Mulher ? Magalhaes de ? (ja de)funtos com Anna
de Andrade poim (possibly alpoim) (filha de) Francisco de Andrade de puim e
de sua mulher Maria de andrade de m(el)lo. Forao padrinho pedro de
Bairos..."


Thank you in advance

George

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Abreviaturas Paleografias Portuguesas by Borges Nunes

[Maria Lima]

Bob, that's interesting that your firm is in English.  I filled mine out out 
from the Portuguese.  Can you just skip that box?  Sorry I'm no help on it but 
maybe someone else knows the answer.  I hope.

Maria Elena 

> On Feb 12, 2017, at 10:39 AM, "rml...@gmail.com"  wrote:
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> Everytime I try to order I get hung up on the address page. It asks for N. 
> Taxpayer. 
> 
> Bob
> 
>> On Saturday, January 28, 2017 at 11:15:54 AM UTC-8, linda wrote:
>> 
>> In the last week there have been a few posts referring to Abreviaturas 
>> Paleografia by Borges Nunes.  I know quite a few, including myself, have a 
>> pdf of it and find it to be a valuable resource.  Unfortunately, obtaining a 
>> physical copy of the booklet has been a bit difficult.  When I made a 
>> concerted effort to find one a couple of years ago-- both online and through 
>> large independent or academic bookshops here-- I couldn't readily do it.  
>> Happily, about a week ago while researching something else, I found this 
>> source:
>> 
>> http://www.bulhosa.pt/livro/abreviaturas-paleograficas-portuguesas-borges-nunes/
>> 
>> Bulhosa is a well known Lisbon bookshop and they take PayPal, so I placed an 
>> order for it.  With shipping, the booklet cost a total of about 
>> $16.00-17.00.  A few days after placing the order, I received notice that 
>> one of the other books I ordered wasn't available, that amount was promptly 
>> refunded to my PayPal account.  They also informed me that Paleografias was 
>> in the process of being shipped, so that looks very promising.  Now, it just 
>> needs to make its way safely through the Portuguese and US postal systems!  
>> I'll update the group when I receive it.  They're sending it "International 
>> Economy" rate, so it's anyone's guess how long it will take to arrive. :) 
>> 
>> I thought I'd post in case others are also interested in buying the actual 
>> booklet.  The only difficulty might be navigating the website and reading 
>> the correspondence, as it is entirely in Portuguese.  But, it's all 
>> relatively straightforward and the interface with PayPal is easy (and in 
>> English).  Here's the notice that my book is in process of being shipped:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Abreviaturas Paleografias Portuguesas by Borges Nunes

[rml...@gmail.com]

Everytime I try to order I get hung up on the address page. It asks for N. 
Taxpayer. 

Bob

On Saturday, January 28, 2017 at 11:15:54 AM UTC-8, linda wrote:
>
>
> In the last week there have been a few posts referring to *Abreviaturas 
> Paleografia* by Borges Nunes.  I know quite a few, including myself, have 
> a pdf of it and find it to be a valuable resource.  Unfortunately, 
> obtaining a physical copy of the booklet has been a bit difficult.  When I 
> made a concerted effort to find one a couple of years ago-- both online and 
> through large independent or academic bookshops here-- I couldn't readily 
> do it.  Happily, about a week ago while researching something else, I found 
> this source:
>
>
> http://www.bulhosa.pt/livro/abreviaturas-paleograficas-portuguesas-borges-nunes/
>
> Bulhosa is a well known Lisbon bookshop and they take PayPal, so I placed 
> an order for it.  With shipping, the booklet cost a total of about 
> $16.00-17.00.  A few days after placing the order, I received notice that 
> one of the other books I ordered wasn't available, that amount was promptly 
> refunded to my PayPal account.  They also informed me that Paleografias was 
> in the process of being shipped, so that looks very promising.  Now, it 
> just needs to make its way safely through the Portuguese and US postal 
> systems!  I'll update the group when I receive it.  They're sending it 
> "International Economy" rate, so it's anyone's guess how long it will take 
> to arrive. :) 
>
> I thought I'd post in case others are also interested in buying the actual 
> booklet.  The only difficulty might be navigating the website and reading 
> the correspondence, as it is entirely in Portuguese.  But, it's all 
> relatively straightforward and the interface with PayPal is easy (and in 
> English).  Here's the notice that my book is in process of being shipped:
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Abreviaturas Paleografias Portuguesas by Borges Nunes

[Maria Lima]

I just ordered it this morning and so far only received acknowledgment of 
payment for 18,05 EUR.  (Shipped tô Wisconsin). 

Thanks for letting us know about it

Maria Elena 

> On Feb 11, 2017, at 4:05 PM, 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy 
>  wrote:
> 
> I ordered to alsoabout a week ago:)
> 
> Susan Vargas Murphy
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 11, 2017, at 12:56 PM, Sue Q  wrote:
>> 
>> I managed to order it fairly easily and so will hope for the best in terms 
>> of actually getting here. Good luck, Linda, in getting yours. Sue
>> 
>>> On Saturday, January 28, 2017 at 11:15:54 AM UTC-8, linda wrote:
>>> 
>>> In the last week there have been a few posts referring to Abreviaturas 
>>> Paleografia by Borges Nunes.  I know quite a few, including myself, have a 
>>> pdf of it and find it to be a valuable resource.  Unfortunately, obtaining 
>>> a physical copy of the booklet has been a bit difficult.  When I made a 
>>> concerted effort to find one a couple of years ago-- both online and 
>>> through large independent or academic bookshops here-- I couldn't readily 
>>> do it.  Happily, about a week ago while researching something else, I found 
>>> this source:
>>> 
>>> http://www.bulhosa.pt/livro/abreviaturas-paleograficas-portuguesas-borges-nunes/
>>> 
>>> Bulhosa is a well known Lisbon bookshop and they take PayPal, so I placed 
>>> an order for it.  With shipping, the booklet cost a total of about 
>>> $16.00-17.00.  A few days after placing the order, I received notice that 
>>> one of the other books I ordered wasn't available, that amount was promptly 
>>> refunded to my PayPal account.  They also informed me that Paleografias was 
>>> in the process of being shipped, so that looks very promising.  Now, it 
>>> just needs to make its way safely through the Portuguese and US postal 
>>> systems!  I'll update the group when I receive it.  They're sending it 
>>> "International Economy" rate, so it's anyone's guess how long it will take 
>>> to arrive. :) 
>>> 
>>> I thought I'd post in case others are also interested in buying the actual 
>>> booklet.  The only difficulty might be navigating the website and reading 
>>> the correspondence, as it is entirely in Portuguese.  But, it's all 
>>> relatively straightforward and the interface with PayPal is easy (and in 
>>> English).  Here's the notice that my book is in process of being shipped:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
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