[AZORES-Genealogy] FTDNA SITE
Okay this may have been brought up already but when did the sign on page for FTDNA site change and was I supposed to redo my passwords? Leal da Rosa, Leal, do Anjos, Piedade, Pico; Silveira, Pinheiro; Cedros, Faial Thanks Mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] FTDNA Results
I was looking at my uncles FTDNA page this morning Kit #499511 and his Big Y results that were there in June and I was trying to learn what they mean are now gone. has this happened to anyone else? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Ancestry
I use Ancestry mostly to a place for digital info in case I lose hdd. Does anyone else use Ancestry and did the places you list for births or anything else get changed by them? I’ve all of a sudden had countries like Senegal, Mexico listed for certain persons where entered say do Salao for my gggrandmother and not it says Senegal. Mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] my GGgrandfather
It has taken almost 4 years, but with some help from a couple of people I finally know for sure what village, correct BD, his parents and grandparents. his siblings Antonio S Pereira is from Cedros, Faial. What finally helped was finding his last will attached to the title abstract of my grandmothers house, he listed a sister I didn't know about. Her name was the last clue needed. Mike Cedros, Salao, Faial, Piedade, Pico -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: my GGgrandfather
I don't know how accurate the Minho site is but it shows a whole host of ancestors, but for now I'm just glad he's finally nailed down with his immediate family. On Monday, March 18, 2019 at 8:30:11 AM UTC-3, Mike wrote: > > It has taken almost 4 years, but with some help from a couple of people I > finally know for sure what village, correct BD, his parents and > grandparents. his siblings Antonio S Pereira is from Cedros, Faial. What > finally helped was finding his last will attached to the title abstract of > my grandmothers house, he listed a sister I didn't know about. > Her name was the last clue needed. > Mike > Cedros, Salao, Faial, Piedade, Pico > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] leaving the azores
When it comes to women leaving the Azores to come to the USA, is there any typical situation that would bring them over? coming with parents? coming with husband? would they have traveled over with an older or younger brother? Would she have traveled over alone if another family member already here? I'm trying to find a clue to connect my great aunt Francisca to my great grandfather Jose to maybe narrow down some of the search results for traveling into the USA Mike -- -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[AZORES-Genealogy] the myheritage site
Well when the email was sent out announcing the deal between FTDNA and the myheritage website I decided to poke around a little. the site offered up a number of what they call smart matches, one of them was to a man named HELDER OLIVEIRA. apparently we share our 2nd great grandmother Luisa Emilia da Silveira. I sent him a message so we can compare notes and we'll go from there. I've seen his name all over what was called the Neps site does that mean he's the one who did all that research and uploading to the site? or are they all his family? Mike -- -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: New Bedford St John's Cemetery Lookup Needed
There are four operating cemeteries under the jurisdiction of the City of New Bedford, they are: All the cemeteries have been brought into one office holding all the records, the older cemeteries have no more plots to sell. so try writing to the address listed below 1. Rural Cemetery -- 149 Dartmouth Street 2. Oak Grove Cemetery -- 185 Parker Street 3. Pine Grove Cemetery -- 1100 Ashley Blvd 4. Peckham West Cemetery -- Mt. Pleasant Street* There are also several cemeteries/and or buriel grounds under our jurisdiction that are closed, however, they are still maintained by our department personnel, they are: 1. Griffin Street Cemetery 2. Point Road Cemetery 3. Tobey Family Burying Ground 4. Reynolds Family (Braley Road) Cemetery 5. Congregational Church Cemetery 6. Friends Cemetery Please note that records of all buriels under our jurisdiction are maintained in our Main Office of the Cemetery Board at 149 Dartmouth Street On Monday, April 15, 2013 9:27:34 PM UTC-4, Cindy D wrote: > > > Does anyone have the St John's Cemetery Book for a lookup. I'm desperate. > > Joseph Sylvia/Silvia/daSilva. Should have died in 1942 according to > family, born Dec 1875 in St Miguel. > > His wifeMargarita/Margaret/Margarida Silvia/Sylvia nee Pimentel, died > 1939 born in Flores. > > If not, I had an address to someone I could write to at the cemetery but > have mislaid it, does anyone have that information?? > > CindyD > Sylvia/Pimentel > > -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores?hl=en.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: New Bedford St John's Cemetery Lookup Needed
this inccludes all the old Catholic cemeteries On Monday, April 15, 2013 9:27:34 PM UTC-4, Cindy D wrote: > > > Does anyone have the St John's Cemetery Book for a lookup. I'm desperate. > > Joseph Sylvia/Silvia/daSilva. Should have died in 1942 according to > family, born Dec 1875 in St Miguel. > > His wifeMargarita/Margaret/Margarida Silvia/Sylvia nee Pimentel, died > 1939 born in Flores. > > If not, I had an address to someone I could write to at the cemetery but > have mislaid it, does anyone have that information?? > > CindyD > Sylvia/Pimentel > > -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores?hl=en.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Chromosome Browser for Family Finder DNA results
I just find this all very fascinating, when I learn anything new, I'm very lucky and very grateful to everyone in this group who has helped with finding and verifying any piece of information for my search, I haven't posted recently because I've had my nose stuck to the copies of handwritten notes the priests made when the birth and baptism of a known person trying, but not having much luck being able to read any of it unless it is very clear. Doug has been extremely helpful and answers every question I ask even if it's just a basic simple question, I have to agree the new browser is great, I have been able to compare to the matches and members of people I match and am slowly seeing all the conections. Mike On Wednesday, May 8, 2013 2:22:25 AM UTC-4, Doug Holmes wrote: > > I have been studying the chromosome browser tool found on Family Finder > results and realize that's what they were talking about when they did the > updates to the new and better DNA results in early February. > > If you have had the Family Finder test and having used this browser, I > think you'll really find it valuable. > > For instance, Mike Gilfilian, one of our list members, is a 4th cousin, > once removed for my father (and 5th cousin to me). Since we have no other > common ancestors and share only Piedade, Pico as our common village, it's a > great place to start with these comparisions on this browser. You'll really > need to look at this browser to follow me on this. No way you'll understand > this message otherwise, I don't think. > > When I click on Mike's name and compare his DNA to my father's, the places > that are colored are the exact locations and exact DNA that we both share. > > When I also click others of our matches, most of the time we don't find > more matches to this exact segment of DNA where Mike and I match. But there > is one case where another person does also match that same exact DNA and > that's the amazing value of this browser. Since I know the exact place Mike > and I match, anyone else who matches there must have these same exact > ancestors. There is no way around it. It pinpoints it for this third person. > > I found two more people whose DNA matches this same DNA as Mike and I > share. It's not 100% the same, but most of it is the same. What I mean is > that the colored sections that represent each person is longer for one than > for another. I suppose it means the ancestors we all share didn't always > pass all their DNA on to each of us in the same amounts. > > So the surprise to me is just who these other people are. One is my friend > with a lot of Sao Roque do Pico ancestry. I know all his ancestors for all > four of his grandparents and I never would have suspected him to match me > with these Piedade ancestors that Mike and I share. Since he also has a lot > of Lajes do Pico ancestry, that might be how this happened. I'm guessing > that some branch of his Lajes ancestry came over from Piedade before the > records of Lajes now exist (so they came over in maybe the 1600s). > > Or maybe it's the opposite and some branch of my and Mike's Piedade > ancestry came over from Lajes to Piedade before Piedade's records started > (also in the 1600s). > > Looking at the ancestry of this 4th person who matches, they also have a > lot of south side Pico ancestors. So due to this and for other other reason > I've ever been giving from existing records, I believe this part of my > Piedade ancestry must trace back to older Lajes area families. And I have > some leads now on just who they might link to in the middle or early 1600s > when there are no church records anymore for Lajes. > > Aside from that, I did notice several cases of other matches we have where > a third person was an exact match to someone else. If you have many matches > and not all are know just how, this could quite possibly lead you to the > answer. > > I'd love to hear what others find when using this chromosome browser. > > Doug da Rocha Holmes > Sacramento, California > Pico & Terceira Genealogist > 916-550-1618 > www.dholmes.com > -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores?hl=en.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Social Security
Can social security application records be obtained? do they contain any useful information on them? If someone became a citizen they would be given a social security number automatically or apply for one? thanks for any answers Mike -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores?hl=en.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Fraternal Orginizations
Are there any Fraternal Orginizations in the New Bedford or Bristol county in mass for persons from the Azores and would they have any usefull information for genealogy research? -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores?hl=en.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Melo Family (deMello, Mello)
Pam, I don't know about the eye and my mom doesn't know either, but I'll ask my grandmother tomorrow and ask her, I can tell you was born and died in the S. Dartmouth New Bedford area. He was a house painter, and do not believe he married or had kids, he died in his 60's Mike On Tuesday, July 9, 2013 11:26:53 PM UTC-4, Doug Holmes wrote: > > Hello Jeffrey, > > I'm very pleased to see your message to my father. > I will let him answer about what is in his files, but I wanted to let you > know we are indeed related by Leal da Rosa from Piedade. > > There is another Leal da Rosa on this list who is also your cousin - Mike > Gilfillian. He'll reply himself. > > You can write me in private: > pi...@dholmes.com > > Doug da Rocha Holmes > Sacramento, California > Pico & Terceira Genealogist > 916-550-1618 > www.dholmes.com > > > Original Message > Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Melo Family (deMello, Mello) > From: jeffre...@gmail.com > Date: Tue, July 09, 2013 12:20 pm > To: azo...@googlegroups.com > > > Lionel Rocha Holmes: > > I am Jeffrey Tooker. I am grandson to Manual Mello, "MANUEL MELLO > (Manuel Antonio d'Areia Mello)" d. Sacramento 1958, and of the " > http://www.portugueseancestry.com/genresources/pioneers_mn.cfm"; site. I > have sent a check to the webmaster for membership and am awaiting his reply. > > In reading the "Pioneers" I have come across "Jose Leal de Roza". This is > of great interest, because acording to my mothers oral history Manuel > Mello's mother was, DE LINO-LEAL, ISABEL M. > b. 1846. Her father was Leal-Da Rosa, MANUAL (Manoel). Manoels wife was > DE LINO, ISAURA MARIA. I have subsequently found that Leal-Da Rosa, MANUAL > (Manoel) had a son Jacinto Leal-Da Rosa. Who took the name of Jacinto > "Jesse" Leal-Rose in this country. Jacinto was born in 1855 and died in > Hollister in 1917. He seems to have come directly From the Azores to > Misson San Jose in Alameda county. What we have is a line compiled by my > cousin Sharon Nunes Hopingardner in Hollister and myself. It is documented > in this country. We do not have documentation for the ties from "MANUEL > MELLO (Manuel Antonio d'Areia Mello)" and Jacinto "Jesse" Leal-Rose to > Leal-Da Rosa, MANUAL (Manoel). I was wondering if you might put me in > touch with someone who may be of help. All of this goes back to Piedade, > Pico 1840-1855. > > When I was about 13 we use to visit my cousin Sharon and her family. She > was Leal-Rose/Fontes/ Nunes then. So there was a tie somewhere between > Sacramento and Hollister. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Thank you. > > Jeffrey Tooker > * > > + > > * > > + > > > + > > > On Wednesday, March 20, 2013 2:48:36 PM UTC-7, Lionel Holmes wrote: >> >> In my file of Portuguese families in the Sacramento area are a couple of >> dozen Mello families. The California death register lists over 30 named >> Mello or Melo. >> >> Lionel Rocha Holmes >> >> On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 10:19 AM, Jo Anne Hartmann wrote: >> >>> Any Mello relatives in California by chance? >>> >>> -- >>> *From:* Dolores Coyle >>> *To:* azo...@googlegroups.com >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 20, 2013 7:57 AM >>> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Melo Family (deMello, Mello) >>> >>> Nate, you by chance do not have any Mellos (Mellows) in Glouchester, >>> Mass, do you? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Dolores Coyle >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 8:05 PM, wrote: >>> >>> >>> Shirley, >>> >>> I was just going through some of our family history this weekend. My >>> grandfather (edward mello) His brother (james) and has 2 other brothers and >>> oldest sister Elvita grew up outside Cambridge. Elvita who is in her late >>> 80's has a lot of great Mello pictures, post cards and letters from the >>> late 1800 and early 1900. I believe my great grandfather *Fransico was >>> married 2x*.(this was a shock to my grandfather) His first wife died at >>> 32 of a heart attack. He then remarried and had my grandfather and his >>> sibilings. Will try to upload pics. >>> >>> Best Regards >>> -Nate Mello >>> -- >>> -- >>> >>> -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: DNA testing
Hello group haven't posted in a while, have had some medical issues but i'm ready to get back into reseraching. My question is, when you're looking at your DNA match's whether it's the FF, Mtdna or the Ydna, does the order they are listed from top to bottom does that indicate the strength of the match?? On Saturday, August 24, 2013 2:18:40 PM UTC-4, ggerva...@centurylink.net wrote: > > Hello group: > > Does anyone know what would be the next test to take to upgrade from the > MTDNA plus test that I took. I want to know more family information and > also whether I have any living relatives that maybe found in the DNA data > base. > thanks > Geneva > -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Cemetery burial of a baby
there are 2 infants buried on the edges of a 6 grave burial plot that my great great grandparents and son along with a family member from Doug da Rocha Holmes family are buried. As far as the cemetery knew they weren't of relation but said it was not uncommon for a close friend or neighbor to offer a place of rest in their family plot. In this same plot there is a man buried on top of the 1st person buried there. On Monday, September 30, 2013 6:02:58 PM UTC-4, celeste perry wrote: > > It was not unusual for a family to have a baby die and to not have the > necessary money to purchase a plot for the burial. This happened to my > maternal grandmother's first born son. He died from complications of the > measles at the age of 3 months. My grandmother told me that the family did > not have the $5.00 that was necessary in 1917 to bury the baby in a grave > of his own. He was buried with a lady who was being buried at that time. > The lady and the baby were buried in what was called "the poor ground" and > no marker was placed on the grave. The church book notes the burial and > the "oral history" seems to confirm that what my grandmother told me is > correct. > > If the cemetery has a "general area" where a plaque can be placed, that > may be a place you can honor the baby that died in your family. > > Celeste Perry ccgr...@yahoo.com > -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] passenger list
There are 2 clues that I can find on both family search and ancestry in the 1910 census in rhode island there is 16 year old boy listed as a servent. He bears the same name that is my great grandfathers of Joseph Pine. Now the age is just about spot on when I compare it to the WWI draft registration and marriage cert to my grt grandma. to search for him coming over would the family he worked for have traveled to the Azores to bring someone back? Or would he have arrived with someone else and ended up working there? I'm hoping to be able to use the name he worked for to see if I can trace it back to where he came from. I suppose that New Bedford wasn't all that far from RI to strike out and make it big on his own when he got older. Mike Piedade, Pico & Cedros, Faial -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: PACHECO in New England, 1900-1920
Hi Betty,
there is a Joao J. Pacheco buried in a family plot for my GGrandparents and
son in what was called St. John the Baptist cemetery. This Joao J. Pacheco
died and was buried in November 1918 in S. Dartmouth, Ma, the information
has him listed at 90yrs of age. He is no relation to my family or to Doug
da Rocha Holmes who has a relative buried in plot #1 of this 6 plot site.
Maybe someone will recognize his name.
Mike
On Friday, November 1, 2013 9:34:29 AM UTC-4, Betty wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> This week I happened to mention the PACHECO name on the Maine (US) List,
> and someone responded. The researcher said she had an old picture of a
> ... Private Manny PACHECO .. from 1917. At the time he was at a military
> "field" on Long Island, NY. She had no other information on the
> soldier, and she wondered whether he could have been related to my
> husband's paternal grandfather. I dug out an old picture of my
> husband's father and uncle when they were first married, and I see
> somewhat of a resemblance.
>
> As I've mentioned many times before, my husband grew up with his
> grandmother (Mrs. Pacheco) telling all her grandchildren many things about
> her late husband. And, I've discovered most of them were not true.So,
> after researching and posting queries, I don't believe I ever found out
> .exactly. when Antonio PACHECO arrived in MA (US). He arrived ~1905 as a
> 20-yr-old from Sao Miguel(From just outside of Ponta Delgada) So, I
> don't know who he traveled with, and I don't know who he came to stay
> with. (There were too many Antonio's arriving around that time.)
>
> Several yrs. ago I heard from another researcher that one of the other
> PACHECO families in Cambridge, MA, were related to "Tony" as they came from
> the same village (Sao Roque)."Grandma" always tolder her
> grandchildren her late husband had no relatives in New England. But, I
> believe he did have relatives here, maybe not with the same last name.
>
> I checked census records earlier this morning and there were at least a
> dozen Manuel Pacheco's in New England in that 1900-1920 timeframe.And,
> several were men in their 20's. The problem with the soldier in 1917 is
> that he probably fought in WW I.And, it would take some research to
> find out if he survived the War.So, he might not have been in the 1920
> census.
>
> That's all I'll say for now. Have a pleasant weekend !
>
> Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA)
>
>
> P.S. "Tony" and "Elsie" had 5 surviving children, and their oldest
> daughter passed last month.Their other daughter is in a nursing home,
> and only their youngest son is still doing OK.("Tony" is the one who
> was killed in a car accident in 1928, and their were 4 other, Portuguese
> men from Cambridge in the car with him. I don't know how many survived
> that.)(Think about a 1920-era car in MA/US.)
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[AZORES-Genealogy] where to next
I've been trying to find my GGgrandfathers naturalization paperwork without much luck, I'm hoping that there would be more specific info just to make certain who I think he is, is really him. In an interview in the Standard Times in New Bedford, Ma on March 30, 1941 he states he became a citizen on 9/5/1901. He then took his wife and daughter to Fayal 28 days later on 9/29/1901, he claimes to have returned with his family on March 17th, 1902 but it was actually on May 17th, 1902 aboard the ship Peninsular with his wife and daughter. He was Antone Perry Sr. (Antonio Silveira Pereira), his wife Mary Perry (Maria Leal da Rosa), and my Ggrandma Mary Perry (Maria Pereira) Now on paper he seems to get the date of the day correct, but yet he's almost always wrong about the year. I looked for his naturalization and passport at the local level, county level, state level, Nara, US immigration index search, I've also asked the courts at the town, city, county, state and federal levels and they tell me they have nothing. As for me trying to find him or anyone else in the CCA records I'm almost ready to concede defeat, I can hardly match up the information I have recieved from all of you with your translations. Can anyone help point me the right direction? Mike, Piedade, Pico, Cedros, Faial -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] naturalization
I found on ancestry a naturalization record, looks like an index card on a roll-a-dex for my GGgrandfather Antonio Silveira Pereira for Sept 5th, 1901, this date matches exactly what he told in a news paper article about him. It also falls in line with with a passenger list record him, his wife and my great grandmother, for them returning from the Azores May 17th, 1902, on the ship Peninsular for a trip he mentions in the news paper article as well. Everything I have though says he lived in and around the New Bedford, Dartmouth, and Fairhaven area, but the Naturalization shows him becoming a citizen in Providence, RI. My question is, since I can't find any record of his naturalization in Mass, for that time, would he have to take a trip to Providence for naturalization in 1901? Mike -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: naturalization
I understand that because he was married here in the states that his wife would automaticaly be naturalized as well. If I can ever get the record would she be listed in the information as well? That would help make sure I have the right man because with her I know she is the correct person. On Friday, December 13, 2013 8:09:21 AM UTC-5, Mike wrote: > > I found on ancestry a naturalization record, looks like an index card on a > roll-a-dex for my GGgrandfather Antonio Silveira Pereira for Sept 5th, > 1901, this date matches exactly what he told in a news paper article about > him. It also falls in line with with a passenger list record him, his wife > and my great grandmother, for them returning from the Azores May 17th, > 1902, on the ship Peninsular for a trip he mentions in the news paper > article as well. > Everything I have though says he lived in and around the New Bedford, > Dartmouth, and Fairhaven area, but the Naturalization shows him becoming a > citizen in Providence, RI. > > My question is, since I can't find any record of his naturalization in > Mass, for that time, would he have to take a trip to Providence for > naturalization in 1901? > > Mike > -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: naturalization
yes he did go back home 23 days after being naturalized, and himself, Antone S. Perry,(Antonio Silveira Pereira), wife Mary Perry(Maria Leal da Rosa), and my Ggreat grandmother Mary Perry age 4(Maria Pereira). Their names all changed to perry I'm assuming after naturalization. They all returned May 17th, 1902 in NY aboard the ship Peninsular. So if I know when and where they came, can I go from that to his naturalization, to passport, that might pinpoint where he was from to hopefully figuring out if the man I think I have in cedros is actually the right man? On Friday, December 13, 2013 8:09:21 AM UTC-5, Mike wrote: > > I found on ancestry a naturalization record, looks like an index card on a > roll-a-dex for my GGgrandfather Antonio Silveira Pereira for Sept 5th, > 1901, this date matches exactly what he told in a news paper article about > him. It also falls in line with with a passenger list record him, his wife > and my great grandmother, for them returning from the Azores May 17th, > 1902, on the ship Peninsular for a trip he mentions in the news paper > article as well. > Everything I have though says he lived in and around the New Bedford, > Dartmouth, and Fairhaven area, but the Naturalization shows him becoming a > citizen in Providence, RI. > > My question is, since I can't find any record of his naturalization in > Mass, for that time, would he have to take a trip to Providence for > naturalization in 1901? > > Mike > -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: naturalization
Yes, I've written to new bedford, dartmouth, fairhaven, bristol county, the county court, the supreme court, state archives in boston, nara, and immigration, it's like he never even existed when it comes to his citizenship or passport for traveling home and back, though I'm learning that records for that before 1906 are hard to find from what I've been told in replies to my written requests.. But that's not the case because I have his marriage, death certs On Friday, December 13, 2013 8:09:21 AM UTC-5, Mike wrote: > > I found on ancestry a naturalization record, looks like an index card on a > roll-a-dex for my GGgrandfather Antonio Silveira Pereira for Sept 5th, > 1901, this date matches exactly what he told in a news paper article about > him. It also falls in line with with a passenger list record him, his wife > and my great grandmother, for them returning from the Azores May 17th, > 1902, on the ship Peninsular for a trip he mentions in the news paper > article as well. > Everything I have though says he lived in and around the New Bedford, > Dartmouth, and Fairhaven area, but the Naturalization shows him becoming a > citizen in Providence, RI. > > My question is, since I can't find any record of his naturalization in > Mass, for that time, would he have to take a trip to Providence for > naturalization in 1901? > > Mike > -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Putting our research on Ancestry
When I first started on my family I began with my Italian side first mainly because my mother and grandmother are both still alive. Being a novice I started on Ancestry, luckily I had living relatives I could ask if something was accurate. That was 4 years ago, I have kept my tree private from the public but I did exchange editing ability with an Italian Genealogist from Toronto after he answered a post I put on the message boards seeking help with a surname. It turned out that we are 4th cousins the road map to where we connected was already in place for the most part, he filled in some blank spots I had especially from Italy, and I was able to give him the whole family that settled here in western NY. Yes you can see how easily trees get corrupted with sons becoming grandfathers to their father and so on, but strictly as a document finding tool it has been tremendous for me. Now my research is nothing like what most of you have been able to do, if it was to correct bad information that has already been published somewhere I would hope that a researcher would be willing to help with that. But as for everything else, if I really can't find something having to pay for someone elses abilities is expected. Mike Piedade, Pico,,,Cedros, Faial On Thursday, December 19, 2013 12:41:11 PM UTC-5, Marcia wrote: > > We have been approached by a researcher tasked with updating a book about > the Portuguese settlers in Mendocino County, California, who are all > primarily from the Azores. We have determined that she is legitimate and > has been tasked by the local historical society which owns the rights to > the original book.We support the project very much, and do plan to > help, as the original book contains quite a few errors and omissions and > has been out of print for years.However, the researcher intends to > create a Public Ancestry Tree for each of the families to aid in > collaboration with the descendents of the families. We are not really > keen on seeing our years of research placed on Ancestry, as we've all > experienced issues with how information can be mis-used, exploited, etc. > from Ancestry.At a minimum we would not allow her to use data about > living people on the internet. > > We'd like to know what members of the group think about this. Has > anything similar happened to you? Is your work on Ancestry?What pros > and cons can you think of? I haven't discussed this with the researcher > yet, wanting to hear your thoughts first. > > Thanks very much for anything you can offer - Marcia Andre > -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Mihno site(Neps)
I looked for a previous thread for this but couldn't Is there an issue with the listings for the Island of Pico? I get a file not found error. Yet when I try Faial, it works for me with no issues. Mike Piedade, Pico; Cedros Faial -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Mihno site(Neps)
Hi Rosemarie, that's the same addy I used, I just clicked on the link you just said and I got the same thing, nothing from Pico works for me, the other islands come up. But Pico says error: could not locate... On Sunday, January 26, 2014 4:45:15 PM UTC-5, Mike wrote: > > I looked for a previous thread for this but couldn't > Is there an issue with the listings for the Island of Pico? I get a file > not found error. Yet when I try Faial, it works for me with no issues. > > Mike > Piedade, Pico; Cedros Faial > -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Mihno site(Neps)
I'm using firefox, I hate IE:, I can get Pico to work now, but for some reason it can't find people that I know are from Piedade in my tree, I cleared my cache, my history, my cookies, made sure browser up to date. so I don't get it. I can get info from every other island and village except fpr the one I desire to look at... I'll have to try something else I suppose... On Sunday, January 26, 2014 4:45:15 PM UTC-5, Mike wrote: > > I looked for a previous thread for this but couldn't > Is there an issue with the listings for the Island of Pico? I get a file > not found error. Yet when I try Faial, it works for me with no issues. > > Mike > Piedade, Pico; Cedros Faial > -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Problem with server
my question has to do with the Mihno website(Neps) can someone do me the favor of going on and do a quick check fo me in Piedade on Pico? try searching for Jose Leal da Rosa, he'll be born in 1806 died 1899. I can't find anyone who I have the paperwork proving they are from there. I just want to know if its the site or my computer? I can find names in Piedade from people not in my tree I just can't look at who is. Thanks, Mike On Saturday, March 1, 2014 1:54:16 PM UTC-5, Pat Sylvia wrote: > > > Hi, I was wondering if anyone is having trouble with the CCA server. I > haven't been able to get on for about 5 hours. > > Pat Mello > > Winter snow warning for New England for tomorrow. Heavy snow into Monday ' > Here we go again > > > > > -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] pictures
I have a huge favor to ask, the chances of me ever getting to the Azores due to health issues are slim to none. So iw was w wondering if any of you have been to Piedade, Pico or to Cedros, Faial might be willing to share some pictures with me of the area? I know I'm asking allot and if you say no I understand, I have one picture from there of my GGgrand mother and a daughter in Cedros. Or if you know of a website or book that shows the areas? Mike -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Italian Genealogical Searches
Sorry I should have put it as PIE Italian Genealogy Search for it that way from the groups home page. On Tuesday, March 18, 2014 9:58:57 AM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote: > > Hi all. As I've said before, I'm 100% Portuguese (Azorean descent). > However, I have half-sisters who are half Italian. Does anyone know if > there is a similar Google Group for Italian ancestry and if there is > someone who can help search for and translate Italian ancestry records? > > thanks for any help you can offer. > > Joe > -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] religious items
Friday while visiting my grandmother(92 yrs) old, she wanted me to have and gave me the Rosery beads that belonged to my GGgrandmother Luisa Emilia da Silveira, born may 1861 Salao, Faial. Married Jose da Rosa Pinheiro from Cedros, Faial, they married and lived in Cedros but when she died it was in Salao and she was buried there. I don't have those details about her husband. My question is at what time would she have been given the Rosery beads? Are there any traditions? Such as passed down from generation to generation? Or were they hers and did people who died take them on there next journey? For the beads to have ended up here in the states she must have passed them down to my Ggrandfather or to her one daughter that also came to the states? My grandmother who gave them to me is Italian, but my grandfather was Portuguese of Azorean descent who had the Rosery beads until he passed. I'm curious about the histories about how, why, and who obtained the beads which I now hold in my hand. They are made out of all medal, the details are all hand made and spectacular. You can tell they are very old. Should I have them blessed now that they are in my possesion? I know that's a lot of questions but i've never been given such a gift and I want to make sure I treat them as they should. Thank you!!! Mike -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: List membership, posts, researchers for hire, DNA fundraising
I joined the list 2 years ago when I asked a question about DNA and got my reply from Cheri. She kindly spent almost 2 hours on the phone with me the next day and helped me get going. Now I definately am one of the LURKERS our there, it's not because I don't want to help but it's more that I really shouldn't. I don't know enough, I can't read the handwritten script at the CCA despite my computers best effort to clear up the images for me. But I look at every post that you all put up on the board, every one of them! I have learned so much, I don't ask many questions, I want to find some things myself. Please keep posting, keep teaching, I really appreciate all of you. Mike Leal Da Rosa, Piedade,PicoPinheiro, Cedros, Pereira, Faial On Saturday, May 17, 2014 11:22:47 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote: > > Doug, > > I've posted from time to time how many subscribers are on this list. > Anyone can find that number by going out to the Web board/Forum board and > clicking the "About" link. The only reason I mention it is to make people > aware that they are emailing 1200 people, some of whom are still working or > have limited time on their hands. The list is active with genealogy posts > (sometimes 20 in a day) and I would like the posts to be meaningful for the > 1200 subscribers. Reading a single post that says "Thanks!" is imposing on > people's time and is not meaningful nor helpful in someone's genealogical > search. > > After teaching kids and teenagers math and then adults DNA and genealogy, > I know how it works. Teach something. You get questions from some of the > audience (class) at the end. People (even kids) raise their hand and ask > questions. The vast majority take the information that was presented and > walk away with it. Then there are the few people that come up and ask a > question in private. Same thing with this list. The vast majority of > people read, take the information, and walk away with it. Some people > raise their hand (post) their question for all to see. And a few email > privately to ask a question. > > Since your last post, I've received a number of emails about the > underlying intent of that post. You'll give people a gift who email you? > Geez, you're sounding like a used car salesman! All of us who have been > into this awhile know you do research for hire. It's posted on the Azores > GenWeb for all to see along with the list of other researchers for hire. > And when someone asks for a researcher for hire, I post that link. So if > you are drumming up business, just say so. But to bribe people with a > giftsounds like those time share things where you sit for 3 hours and > listen to their spiel for the "gift" at the end. And we all know that many > of those things are shady. I'm sure you don't want to be known as the > "shady" genealogist! > > And the DNA offer? Sorry to tell you this, but we've already been doing > fundraising. We've raised funds for certain lines that we wanted tested > and the money was put into the General Fund at FTDNA. Basically an escrow > account. That way, I don't have to handle the money and try to keep track > of it. Money can create problems. Just giving money to one person with no > backingI prefer the fiduciary set up that FTDNA has. And it was nice > having it there in another project I manage. People contributed money > towards a kit and then they decided not to pursue that line. FTDNA knew > who donated what and refunded it all back. Seriously, people are going to > send you money and for all we know, you're using it to buy something you've > been eyeballing! > > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das > Tainhas, Achada > -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: People with Faial ancestry
Hi Bella, if you're related to Patricia then there's a chance that you're related to me as well as my Ggrandfather was from Cedros, Faial and another line with my GGgrandpa is also from Faial. The surnames are Pinheiro and Pereira respectively. I am part of the Azores DNA project. Mike On Tuesday, December 15, 2015 at 4:32:03 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote: > > If you have your lineage going back to Faial, you really need to be DNA > tested. The Azores DNA Project doesn't have that many people with Faial > ancestry testing. > > And if you think that just because NEPS has most of it online so there's > no point in DNA testing, yes there is. > > 1) Not everything is on NEPS > 2) Humans read the records. They make mistakes. > 3) Humans did the data entry into NEPS. Another chance to make a mistake. > 4) You could match someone else and make a connection that wouldn't have > happened without the DNA. You'll have a new cousin and your match will be > forever thankful that you DNA tested. > > The Family Finder is regularly $99, on sale for $89, and there are $10 off > coupons floating around. So it's $79 and then $9.95 for postage (includes > return postage back to Texas if you reside in America). > > Cheri Mello > Family Tree DNA Admin (volunteer) > Azores DNA project > -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] translation
I'm not very good at finding anything but I'm pretty sure this is my GGGgrandfather's obituary Jose Leal da Rosa It should say Jan 16, 1899 The first link it's on the bottom of page then next page it carries to the top of next page. I'm really hoping after all this time I found one on my own. Thank You so much Mike Piedade, Pico, Cedros Fayal http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-PIEDADE-O-1890-1899/PIC-LJ-PIEDADE-O-1890-1899_item1/P157.html http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-PIEDADE-O-1890-1899/PIC-LJ-PIEDADE-O-1890-1899_item1/P158.html -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] translation
Thanks Gayle, does the rest of it say anything interesting? On Friday, September 30, 2016 at 12:36:21 AM UTC-4, good...@aol.com wrote: > > Mike, > > You have the name and date correct. (I double checked what I read here > against CITCEM.) Is the date what you were questioning ? > > I noticed that, according to CITCEM, Jose died 3 days shy of his 93rd > birthday. That was a long life in the 1890s. > > Gayle > > > > On Sep 29, 2016, at 8:51 PM, Mike > > wrote: > > I'm not very good at finding anything but I'm pretty sure this is my > GGGgrandfather's obituary Jose Leal da Rosa It should say Jan 16, 1899 > > The first link it's on the bottom of page then next page it carries to the > top of next page. I'm really hoping after all this time I found one on my > own. > Thank You so much Mike > Piedade, Pico, Cedros Fayal > > > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-PIEDADE-O-1890-1899/PIC-LJ-PIEDADE-O-1890-1899_item1/P157.html > > > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-PIEDADE-O-1890-1899/PIC-LJ-PIEDADE-O-1890-1899_item1/P158.html > > -- > For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the > right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my > membership." > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com . > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > > -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: CCA passports
do the records keep track of just outgoing or do they do incoming as well? On Saturday, January 3, 2015 10:29:12 AM UTC-5, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote: > > In case of interest, the Horta records are online. > > Doug da Rocha Holmes > Sacramento, California > Pico & Terceira Genealogist > 916-550-1618 > www.dholmes.com > -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: CCA passports
Now since I know my relative went home with his new wife and daughter and I have them returning here in NY would that departure be recorded or just the first time when he left originally? On Saturday, January 3, 2015 10:29:12 AM UTC-5, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote: > > In case of interest, the Horta records are online. > > Doug da Rocha Holmes > Sacramento, California > Pico & Terceira Genealogist > 916-550-1618 > www.dholmes.com > -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: CCA passports
if I know what day the ship left from the manifest on arrival, what timeframe should I search for in the records there surrounding that date? On Saturday, January 3, 2015 10:29:12 AM UTC-5, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote: > > In case of interest, the Horta records are online. > > Doug da Rocha Holmes > Sacramento, California > Pico & Terceira Genealogist > 916-550-1618 > www.dholmes.com > -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] surnames
Are there surnames that are more prominent from one island to another island? -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
[AZORES-Genealogy] great grandpa help
I would like to ask for some help with finding my great grandfather. We believe his name was Jose(Joseph) Pinheiro(Pine) based on what my grandma who's still living tells me. He was married to my great grandma Maria Pereira(Perry) we believe between 1916/1918 based on when my grandpa William Francis Pine was born on 2/16/1918. Joe Pine died before 1920 because he is not listed on the census of 1920 when my great grandma moved back home to new bedford to her mom and dads home. My grandma believes Joe Pine was aprox 23 when he died and she believes it was in California, We believe that Maria and Jose got married in California because my grandma said she followed Joe Pine out there. Anything the group can help with would greatly appreciate, if more information is needed so you can help I can try and find it for you. Thanks Ahead, Mike -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel Cunha Pacheco in Providence, RI
Cheri, I didn't know you could request copies of the death certificate, can you please explain where and how to do so....Mike On Friday, May 4, 2012 10:41:08 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote: > > Laura S, > > For a recent (probably from the 19-teens onwards), I'd run them through > the Social Security Death Index on Ancestry to get their death dates and > locations. Then you can order their death certificates and get the info on > where they are buried. > > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das > Tainhas, Achada > On Friday, May 4, 2012 10:41:08 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote: > > Laura S, > > For a recent (probably from the 19-teens onwards), I'd run them through > the Social Security Death Index on Ancestry to get their death dates and > locations. Then you can order their death certificates and get the info on > where they are buried. > > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das > Tainhas, Achada > -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
[AZORES-Genealogy] clarify record please
I am hoping that someone can read this record of my grt grandfathers draft record, it lists where he was born but I can't make it out on my screen. search ancestry.com for Jose Pinheiro World war I draft registration, it shows an address at 854 Locust, fall river,ma. born Feb 11, 1896 Thank You so much Mike -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
[AZORES-Genealogy] definition
I just received my grand uncles Antonio Silveira Pereira baptism certificate from st. john the baptist church in new bedford, and one of the sponsors listed is a "Custodio Pereira da Rosa" my question is a name of a position or a title of some sort? thanks for your help.Mike -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
[AZORES-Genealogy] death record
You all helped me find my great grandfather Joseph Pine born 10/23/1894 and his marriage to my great grandmother mary perry in new bedford, MA. on may 19, 1917 in new bedford. I was hoping that you can help find a record of his death. My grandmother believes he died sometime early in the 1920 shortly after their second son donald was born. We're not sure what his portuguese last name is but think it might be Pinheiro. thank you, Mike -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: death record
I for got to ask do any of you study the whaling history of the portuguese? On Thursday, May 17, 2012 9:18:36 AM UTC-4, Mike wrote: > > You all helped me find my great grandfather Joseph Pine born 10/23/1894 > and his marriage to my great grandmother mary perry in new bedford, MA. on > may 19, 1917 in new bedford. > I was hoping that you can help find a record of his death. My grandmother > believes he died sometime early in the 1920 shortly after their second son > donald was born. > We're not sure what his portuguese last name is but think it might be > Pinheiro. > > thank you, Mike > -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
[AZORES-Genealogy] challenge
My gggrandparents didn't make the search for their wedding information easy especially since it's obvious my gggrandparents weren't all that accurate with what year it was when what information the family did have the years of events didn't quite match in most things. Now it's possible because new bedford, dartmouth and fairhaven were all one big city at one time. They got married at St. John the Baptist church in New Bedford, got their marriage license in Fairhaven, lived in South Dartmouth, but I finally have everything in the mail coming to me. I received the marriage certificate from the church and it has their full names and their parents full names, the clerk in Fairhaven read off the information on the license and it said more or less the same thing, but Fairhaven didn't have the application paperwork. But somehow Joan at the New Bedford library had access to that set of papers and it is in the mail to me as of last Thursday. Of course nobody has the same last names, parents to children, husbands to wives, so the search will expand by a couple more layers, I'm hoping that there will be more information with concern to where they are from. my gggrandfather and family clues lead to Faial, and my gggrandmothers family hails from Pico so at least I got a little closer. You guys have been great to me answering all my questions, pointing in new directions where to look. Mike--Pereira, Leal da Rosa,Anjos -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
[AZORES-Genealogy] find a grave
I had never heard of the find a grave website so I gave it a try and located my gggrandparents grave and headstone. But I have a question, on my gggrandparents marriage certificate from St. John the Baptist church and their marriage license has my ggg grandfathers has his name listed as Jose Leal da Rosa, born 1845 died 1886. But on the headstone it has his name listed as Manuel J. Leal. So how do I confirm what his name is exactly if that is at all possible? I believe I'll need to know to get any farther in my search. Mike -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
[AZORES-Genealogy] government website ??
I've been trying to find my ancestors on the Azores gov't website for the island of Pico with no luck yet am I correct that they haven't done anything for Faial yet or am I not looking on the right link yet? -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
[AZORES-Genealogy] how to verify
On the Neps website I think I've found a good possibility, my great grandfathers name was Joseph Pine who you've helped me with before and we have always believed he was from Cedros we believe his last name was Pinheiro and from his marriage cert to my great grandmother his parents names are listed as Joseph(no last name) and Louise silveira. from my, grandma I know Joseph Pine had a sister named francis. So on Neps I found a listing for a Jose Pinheiro with his parents listed as Jose Da Rosa Pinheiro and Luisa Emilia Da Silveira. they had a son Jose born 1893 and a daughter named Francisca B in 1897. But my problem is I have very little to compare this to to verify these names, can you give me some suggestions on how and where to look? Mike Researching, Pereira, Silveira, da Rosa, dos Anjos, Pinheiro -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
[AZORES-Genealogy] Faial
I have a question about the island of Faial, my family had a farm, is it possible to narrow down the villages your searching by knowing if certain areas of the island is more suitable for farming? Mike -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] how to verify
I'vee gotten the address to write to the Government archives in horta, but from what I'm reading I need to know the town that my gggrandfather came from before they can look anything up. So it's back to more searching. On Tuesday, June 5, 2012 6:15:06 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote: > > Mike, > > On the Azores GenWeb. Here's a link (it has all the archives). You want > the Horta archive. There's a form letter where you fill in the blanks. > http://goo.gl/1AvL4 > > I think you can ask for a simple photocopy and not pay for the > certification. > > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das > Tainhas, Achada > -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Immigrant Ships
Cheri, where and how do you write to get the pass port paperwork? Mike On Monday, June 11, 2012 5:07:45 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote: > > Len, > > The 3 ports for the Azores are Horta in Faial, Angra in Terceira, and > Ponta Delgada on Sao Miguel. > > If you did not live on one of those 3 islands where the ports were > located, you had to get there. Since your ancestor was on Graciosa, he had > to catch a smaller port to one of the 3 main ports and sail from one of > those ports. But when asked where he sailed from, he said Graciosa. > That's probably where he caught the smaller boat. > > He does say he arrived in New Bedford. However, he may have sailed into > NY first and may have been counted there and remained on the boat and > disembarked in New Bedford. You have to check NY as well. > > I wouldn't put too much stock in the stowaway story. He would have had to > get away with it on both ends (Azores and America). > > Did you order his naturalization packet? The American passport paperwork > has the information for the naturalization packet. > > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das > Tainhas, Achada > On Monday, June 11, 2012 5:07:45 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote: > > Len, > > The 3 ports for the Azores are Horta in Faial, Angra in Terceira, and > Ponta Delgada on Sao Miguel. > > If you did not live on one of those 3 islands where the ports were > located, you had to get there. Since your ancestor was on Graciosa, he had > to catch a smaller port to one of the 3 main ports and sail from one of > those ports. But when asked where he sailed from, he said Graciosa. > That's probably where he caught the smaller boat. > > He does say he arrived in New Bedford. However, he may have sailed into > NY first and may have been counted there and remained on the boat and > disembarked in New Bedford. You have to check NY as well. > > I wouldn't put too much stock in the stowaway story. He would have had to > get away with it on both ends (Azores and America). > > Did you order his naturalization packet? The American passport paperwork > has the information for the naturalization packet. > > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das > Tainhas, Achada > On Monday, June 11, 2012 5:07:45 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote: > > Len, > > The 3 ports for the Azores are Horta in Faial, Angra in Terceira, and > Ponta Delgada on Sao Miguel. > > If you did not live on one of those 3 islands where the ports were > located, you had to get there. Since your ancestor was on Graciosa, he had > to catch a smaller port to one of the 3 main ports and sail from one of > those ports. But when asked where he sailed from, he said Graciosa. > That's probably where he caught the smaller boat. > > He does say he arrived in New Bedford. However, he may have sailed into > NY first and may have been counted there and remained on the boat and > disembarked in New Bedford. You have to check NY as well. > > I wouldn't put too much stock in the stowaway story. He would have had to > get away with it on both ends (Azores and America). > > Did you order his naturalization packet? The American passport paperwork > has the information for the naturalization packet. > > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das > Tainhas, Achada > On Monday, June 11, 2012 5:07:45 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote: > > Len, > > The 3 ports for the Azores are Horta in Faial, Angra in Terceira, and > Ponta Delgada on Sao Miguel. > > If you did not live on one of those 3 islands where the ports were > located, you had to get there. Since your ancestor was on Graciosa, he had > to catch a smaller port to one of the 3 main ports and sail from one of > those ports. But when asked where he sailed from, he said Graciosa. > That's probably where he caught the smaller boat. > > He does say he arrived in New Bedford. However, he may have sailed into > NY first and may have been counted there and remained on the boat and > disembarked in New Bedford. You have to check NY as well. > > I wouldn't put too much stock in the stowaway story. He would have had to > get away with it on both ends (Azores and America). > > Did you order his naturalization packet? The American passport paperwork > has the information for the naturalization packet. > > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das > Tainhas, Achada >
[AZORES-Genealogy] age question
I have marriage license and marriage certificate from the church that put my GG grandfathers year of birth in 1872, have an obituary that would put his birthday in 1867, a headstone that would put it in 1867, a newspaper story that indicates his birth would have been in 1868 and the census that would put it in 1870. So until I can somehow find the village he came from and then locate a birth certificate, knowing that he couldn't read or write how accurate would someone be with knowing the year of his own events and happenings? Are these variations in dates commonplace among the portuguese of those times? -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
[AZORES-Genealogy] social security
I've read where some people have been able to find information they didn't have before from their ancestors application for a social security number. If your ancestor died before you knew him and most of your family is gone is there a way to know if your ancestor had a SS number to make it worth the effort of trying to get the records? Mike Pereira, Silveira, Rosa, Leal, Anjos, Pinheiro -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
[AZORES-Genealogy] family history center
I'm going to our local family history center today, and I'd like to ask what type of things can I look for there that can't be found on their website? I want to know where to concentrate my efforts. Mike -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] family history center
I live in western NY, I didn't learn anything new except that the center near me specializes in our local area only, but they did tell there is a central center in the city that will have access to everything they have. They also told that there is a genealogy society that meets at the main branch of the city library and I might be able to get some help from them. So my search continues to try and find out where on Faial and Pico my family is from, I've gotten names of my GGGgrandparents but nothing else... On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 11:22:18 AM UTC-4, rca...@redshift.com wrote: > > Mike, where do you live? If you are in California and live close to > Monterey let me know. I work at the FHC here and have a lot of the > Portuguese films. Also there are other FHC's in CA that have many of the > films of the Azores. Our FHC has many of the premium websites for free; > Ancestry, Vital Search, Genealogy Bank, the Heritage Quest sites etc. > Also, since you are a beginner, you should find out if the local FHC has > classes to teach you how do do your research. There are new things coming > online daily so it pays to attend Seminars and Conferences and monthly > classes that the local genealogy societies may present. > > Rosemarie > > > > I'm going to our local family history center today, and I'd like to ask > > what type of things can I look for there that can't be found on their > > website? I want to know where to concentrate my efforts. > > > > Mike > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation > directions > > when they arrive. > > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the > > right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my > > membership." > > > -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
[AZORES-Genealogy] where can I look next?
ok this is what i've checked and this is what it got me. I'm hoping that the more senior members of the group can give me some direction as to other places I need to look, getting their parents name is huge but it didn't get any closer to where on Pico or Faial they were from great great grandfather *Antone Perry news paper story from March 30th 1941- arrived new bedford april 1st 1888 on square rigged ship (bark?) I can't find any ship arriving in new bedford this date " " "" " " " - raised on a farm Fayal - went whaling on C.W. Morgan at 16 on March 4th 1884 - married Mary Leal june 13th 1897 - naturalized sept 5th 1901 -left for fayal sept 28th 1901 returned march 17th 1902 *Antonio Silveira Pereira marriage license obtained in fairhaven, ma on June 1st 1896, born fayal, azores,age 24, parents Antonio Silveira Pereira and Mariana da Silveira *Antonio Silveira Pereira marriage certificate from st. john the baptist church New Bedford ma, married june 13, 1896, born fayal, age 24 parents Antonio Silveira Pereira and Mariana da Silveira, witnessed by Joseph Jacintho Pereira and Margarida Leopoldina Pereira *Antone E. Perry 1920 census, birth about 1870, year of immigration 1890, birthplace azores OC, household himself, wife Mary age 47, daught, Mary Pine 21, son Antone 13, grandson william 1 *Antone Perry 1930 census, birth abt 1870, year of immigration 1893, birthplace azores, parents azores, household himself, wife Mary 60, son Antone 24 *Antone S Perry obituary, died July 6th 1957, age 90, buried July 10, 1957, survived by daughter Mary, son Antone, 2 grandson and 1 great grandchild awaiting his death certificate he Married *Maria Leal da Rosa, marriage license fairhaven, ma, on June 1, 1896, born Pico, Azores, age 26, parents Jose Leal da Rosa and Francisca dos Anjos *Maria Leal da Rosa, marriage certificate St. John the Baptist church New Bedford,ma, June 13 1896,born Pico, parents Jose Leal da Rosa and Francisca dos Anjos, witness's Joseph Jacintho Pereira and Margarida Leopoldina Pereira *Mrs. Antone Perry, obituary died May 31, 1932 age of 60, born Pico, came to New Bedford at age of 23, survived by husband, son Antone jr., daughter Mary Oneill, a sister Rose Diniz probably Dinis, a brother Antone Leal of irvington, ca still waiting for death certificate anything you can help me with in direction will be great. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] where can I look next?
Fred thank you so much, the translation program I was using didn't even come close... On Wednesday, June 20, 2012 7:39:14 AM UTC-4, Fred Souza wrote: > > I don;t have time for a perfect translation, but here goes a loose one. > > Notice of June 4, 1932-Page 4. > > Thursday was the funeral of Mrs. Maria Leal Pereira (note this name is > often changed to be Perry) which left from the home of the deceased on 121 > Rockland Street in South Darthmouth at 8:15 in the morning to Saint Mary's > Church, Padanaram where there was a requiem (high) mass for her soul > celebrated by Reverend Francis Duffy. There were many participants at the > funeral. The pall bearers were Virginio daSilva,Wiiliam O'neill, Frank > Peters, Charles Oneill, Antonio Pereira and Walter O'neill, and the body > was buried in St John the Baptist Cemetery in this city. > > Fred > On Jun 20, 2012, at 1:32 AM, Michael Gilfilian wrote: > > I don't understand Word of what is written there, where did you locate > these so I know where to look. The O'Neill's are my great grandmothers 2nd > husband but she had no children with him or with her 3rd husband Clare > McNaney. Knowing that Irvington is now Fremont will help. The Faial records > aren't online yet. can you tell where you're finding this out? The cemetery > didn't tell me anything I didn't already know. > On Jun 20, 2012 12:20 AM, wrote: > >> Mike >> >> Here is another Portuguese Obit. Are these O'Neil's related to the >> daughter Mary O'Neill? Sometimes the words don't come out right when I cut >> and paste so you have to allow for some weird spellings. >> >> Diário de Notícias: Junho 4, 1932 -Page 4 >> Qulnta-feira realteou-se o funeral >> do Mrs. Maria Leal Pereira, saiudo o >> préstito da casa da família enlutada, >> 121 Rockland Street, South Dartmouth, >> ás 8.15 da manhã para a Igreja >> de Santa Maria, Padanaram, onde >> houve ás 9 horas mlesa d« "requiem" >> por sua alma, sendo celebrante o Rev. >> Francis Duffy. >> No funeral tomaram parte muitas >> : pessoas da amisade da família enlutada. >> O cadáver foi sepultado no cemitério >> de S. João Baptista desta cidade, >> tendo pegado ás alças do caixão >> os srs. Virglnio da Silva, Willlam. >> 0'Neil, Frank Peters, Charles O'Nell, >> António Pereira e Walter 0'Neil. >> >> -- >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions >> when they arrive. >> For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail >> (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the >> right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my >> membership." > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions > when they arrive. > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the > right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my > membership." > > > Thank you, > > Frederick Souza > 19 Owen Drive > Stonington, CT 06378-1012 > 860-535-2670 fsouz...@comcast.net > > > > > > > -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
Re: Fw: [AZORES-Genealogy] where can I look next?
All I know is that you Elaine Rock! On Tuesday, June 26, 2012 12:37:40 AM UTC-4, belle...@gmail.com wrote: > > I worked with Mike on the Irvington research. I thought we were tracing > the right person in Irvington but after much research, one of the members > of the family we were chasing contacted me and I then found out we were > following the wrong person, same name. BUT, I did find a ship's manifest > for him and Mike traced it and found out exactly where in Pico these family > members of his came from something he never dreamed possible. So he has > closed the Irvington research - at least for now. > > "E" -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
[AZORES-Genealogy] question about the Neps website
I've had a break through thanks to some great help from you all. But I have a question about the Neps website. Are those people listed done so as the Azores gov't goes through the books and lists them by name, what I'm wondering are the results you find on the Neps website spot on accurate with what they do have? Mike -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
[AZORES-Genealogy] my breakthrough on Pico
I've been asked to share what I(we) found on Pico fpr my family connections. I knew from my GGgrandmothers (Maria Leal Rosa) marriage license and certificate that she was from Pico, I knew her name and when she got to New Bedford, Ma. But that was all. Couldn't find a record of her arrival, anything. But I did know from her obituary that she was survived by a brother Antone Leal in Irvington, Ca which is now Fremont, Ca. Elaine had found one there and we were researching him but Elaine got contacted by one of his now family and we learned it was the wrong Antone Leal. Then Elaine found a ship's passenger list with a Antonio Leal Rosa arriving into Boston and his reason for coming was to see his sister Maria and Brother in Law Antonio Pereira in S. Dartmouth, Ma. which is exactly where they lived. Then by knowing his Portuguese name I found him on Neps, with a sister Maria my GGgrandma, and a sister Rosa who was named in Maria's obituary, so I was pretty sure I had the correct kids. Their parents were listed as Jose Leal Rosa and Francisca Anjos who were named on Maria and Anotnio's marriage license and marriage certificate from St.John the Baptist church. Ok it has to be the right family, I had the right names, the right island and now where on Pico they were from, Piedade, Lajes do Pico, Pico, Azores, Portugal. From that there are more parents, cousins, aunts, uncles, grandparents and in some cases another spouse with more kids. The important thing is now i have what I think are exact names, birthdates, and where they are from so that I can ask Joao Ventura or someone else to find the certified records to back up what we think is the right family on Pico. I have more names from what I've looked at but so far from Pico they are Leal, Rosa, Anjos, Dias, Fraga, Avila, Lima... So lets compare notes...Mike -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: NEPS Site
when you look for or ask someone to find a record are there any particular ones that you ask for? IE: since I know who my great great grandmother was and have a birthday and location would asking for her birth certificate(do they use those over there?) or her baptism record to find out her parents names, then their birth certificate and so on. Am I getting the sequence down On Thursday, June 28, 2012 11:57:24 AM UTC-4, rca...@redshift.com wrote: > > Dear Listers, > > I agree with Mary Anne. The NEPS site should be used as a guide and then > you can go to the actual documents on the Azores Government site (the > church records for Pico are all there) to check them out yourself. One of > my great grandma's was listed as Andrea and it is clearly Andreza on the > record. Also my grgrandpa was listed as Joao Goncalves Santana and I had > him only as Joao Goncalves. When I went and checked the marriage record it > was clearly only Joao Goncalves and Maria Rodrigues. So, at some point he > added the Santana. > > Be advised that the NEPS records for Ribeira Seca, Sao Jorge are only from > 1800 forward! Don't think that your person is not Ribeira Seca because he > doesn't appear when you search. Anything prior to 1800 is not on the site > according to Joao Ventura. These types of things along with not listing > the abandoned/illegitimate children leaves a lot of people out of the > picture. > > Rosemarie > > > > -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
[AZORES-Genealogy] confirmation
I got an email overnight from Mr. Doug da Rocha Holmes. He has traced all the names in my list from Lajes do Pico and has sent me the translation of my GGgrandmother Maria Lial da Roza baptism from the church record. I had the year right but now have the date. But best of all He Identified me as one of his cousins, so I have my first official living cousin from the Azoires. Since he has already traced everyone he is going to be my source for ordering documents from my families lines. Mike -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
[AZORES-Genealogy] ancestry question
when searching ancestry, sometimes it says civil then lists a state. But when you open the hint it says nothing about what the civil is. When hopefully it would give you an event in a persons life line... -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
[AZORES-Genealogy] can you help
I am hoping that the group can help me once again as I'm stuck.I am trying to find my great great grandfathers entrance in the USA, his name was Antonio Silveira Pereira(Antone S. Perry) born aprox 1867, died July 6th, 1957 in New Bedford Mass. A story about him claims he arrived in New Bedford on April 1, 1888. He married Maria Lial da Roza on June 13, 1896, he became a naturalized citizen on September 1, 1905. The story also says he went back to Faial late 1901 and returned spring of 1902, so there are 2 times he entered the US, first as a Portuguese citizen then as a US citizen after marriage. He lived his whole life the majority in South Dartmouth, Ma Any help finding his travel records would be very grateful Mike Pereira, Silveira, (Faial) Leal, da Roza, Anjos, Lima, Avila, Fraga, Nunes(Piedade, Lajes do Pico, Pico) -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: can you help
Can you tell me where it says he was born? I can't see it good enough to make out all the letters...and thank you, not sure if it's him yet but it's a start. I'm hoping to find his trip home in late 1901 and his return in spring 1902, it would have been to Faial where he was from...Mike On Sunday, July 8, 2012 11:50:58 PM UTC-4, Mike wrote: > > I am hoping that the group can help me once again as I'm stuck.I am trying > to find my great great grandfathers entrance in the USA, his name was > Antonio Silveira Pereira(Antone S. Perry) born aprox 1867, died July 6th, > 1957 in New Bedford Mass. A story about him claims he arrived in New > Bedford on April 1, 1888. He married Maria Lial da Roza on June 13, 1896, > he became a naturalized citizen on September 1, 1905. > The story also says he went back to Faial late 1901 and returned spring of > 1902, so there are 2 times he entered the US, first as a Portuguese citizen > then as a US citizen after marriage. > He lived his whole life the majority in South Dartmouth, Ma > Any help finding his travel records would be very grateful > > Mike > Pereira, Silveira, (Faial) > Leal, da Roza, Anjos, Lima, Avila, Fraga, Nunes(Piedade, Lajes do Pico, > Pico) > > -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
[AZORES-Genealogy] definition
Joao, has found a marriage record for me and it says they were dispensed by consanguinity, and if the dispensantion record is available it will have more information than the church records. My question is what does dispensed by consanguinity mean? were they related? what type of information will the papers get me? Mike -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: definition
Okay since our ancestors married within the family and some of them like my GGGgrandfather who was married twice both times to an extended family member is it even possible to diagram this out on paper to see how it all lays out?? I'd like to place names on paper and connect them to each other with lines but that might be impossible i'm thinking. On Saturday, July 14, 2012 9:58:58 AM UTC-4, Mike wrote: > > Joao, > has found a marriage record for me and it says they were dispensed by > consanguinity, and if the dispensantion record is available it will have > more information than the church records. > My question is what does dispensed by consanguinity mean? were they > related? what type of information will the papers get me? > > Mike > -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: definition
ok I just found where I can have it print out a chart, I'm pretty sure I can portion off part of my tree to see how it lays out. On Monday, July 16, 2012 8:01:25 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote: > > Mike, > > Try your genealogy software program first. > > > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das > Tainhas, Achada > -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Looking for new fregueias, villages, or islands
Thankyou so much to Cheri, Kathy, Elaine, Doug and those whose name I don't know yet, all the hardwork you've done and do really helps out a novice like me who until I found this group thought I was doing great on Ancestry.com. I soon learned I only knew enough to get me more lost in the hunt. But because of what you've already done, has helped me in a short time frame find the freguesia, the church and my great great grandmothers baptism, her parents and both sets of her grandparents. Thank you doesn't seem to be enough. I can't wait for my family finder DNA results to come inMike On Thursday, July 12, 2012 12:06:11 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote: > > It's come up twice this week with 2 researchers who have found records > that lead them out of the comfort of their island/freguesia to somewhere > new. > > Azores GenWeb has the maps (I'm working on color coding some of them to > show each freguesia - a project that wound up being back burnered). All you > have to do is click on your island and a new window opens with the map of > that island, listing all the freguesias, church(es) within that freguesia, > years covered, and even links to the CCA or NEPS (for those with online > databases). > > http://goo.gl/IGeV1 > > You can all thank Kathy Cardoza for the hard work she puts into the Azores > GenWeb. > > -- > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das > Tainhas, Achada > -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
[AZORES-Genealogy] where should I go now
*A researcher found and translated my great great grandmothers Baptism record and from it I got the following information:* On 15 March 1868, in the parish church of Nossa Senhora da Piedade, council of the village of Lajes do Pico, baptized an individual of the feminine sex, to whom he gave the name of Maria, who was born in this parish at 10AM on the 7th day of March, her father was Joze Lial da Roza and mother was Francisca dos Anjos. Her paternal grandparents were Francisco Lial da Roza and Anna Maria, her maternal grandparents were Joaquim Lial Roza and Roza Maria. They were all natives of this parish, married in this parish of which they are parishioners, and residents in the neighborhood of "Cruz do Redondo. I next obtained Joze Lial da Rosa and Francisca dos Anjos marriage record but didn't give me anything I didn't already know but for one thing, Joze was married once before and had other children, both of his wives were connected his first wife in the 3rd and 4th degree, and to my GGgrandmothers mom in the 2nd degree. I know this is a lot of info and maybe not explained to well, but who's record should I aim for next, my GGgrandma's siblings? her parents baptism and birth?(which is my choice)Mike -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
[AZORES-Genealogy] uploading to family finder
When you uploaded your gedcom's did you just upload your Portuguese side if you only have one side or did you upload your whole tree if you already had it made. Mike -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
[AZORES-Genealogy] translation
Hi all, someone I can't remember her name right now sent me a copy of my 4th great grandfather's marriage record off the CCA website, and I've been trying to figure out what it says but so far have only been able to find their names. If I posted it or sent it to someone would you be willing to translate it for me?? But I think I might be able to actually find when all his kids, because I know their names and dates, and in the meantime I'm going to keep trying to learn how to read them by comparing what is written to the translation that Joao Ventura did for me on another record. Mike Leal da Rosa, dos Anjos, Lima, Fraga, Avila, Piedade, Lajes do Pico, Pico -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
[AZORES-Genealogy] national archives question
I'm looking at the national archives website to possibly see about ordering film to try and find more naturalization information that what I was able to find on Ancestry.com. But the records they show are for the north eastern states and there are 70 rolls of film for mass, maine, new hampshire and vermont. it looks as though the rolls are listed alphabetically, my questions if each roll shows that your relation could possibly be on 60 of them because the rolls go from a-z, c-t, f-w, my grt grt grandfathers name starts with a P how do you narrow down your choice of rolls to order? I don't live near a location where I can look through them all in person. Or should I leave this search until the someday I may be near an NARA facility since the rolls are $125/pc? -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
[AZORES-Genealogy] Would they add to their records
If some of our ancestors met their spouse over here in the USA, like mt gr8t gr8t grandparents did, and then they took a trip home to introduce their new husband or wife to their family would that get recorded somewhere in their Parrish's records. Mike -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Would they add to their records
I apologize for how it read, I meant to ask not if the visit back home would be recorded, Carole was right in that I wanted to know if the marriage would be recorded in the records pertaining to the persons involved in the marriage...thank you all for your responses... On Sunday, August 5, 2012 5:50:28 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote: > > Carole M, > > Mike's question was would a visit to the Azores be recorded in the church > records somewhere (or that's how I read it with the typos). Altino was > right, the church would not do that. They would only record church events. > > What you are speaking of are the margin notes which happened in the Azores > as well. One can find a baptism and in the margin it will note that that > the person married and to go see record number XXX, or the person died and > go see record number YYY. And yes, if the first spouse died, the margin > many contain the 2nd marriage as well. > > IF (and only if) the person notified their church in the Azores would > their American or Canadian marriage be recorded in the margin. I've seen > very few of these. Very rare, at least in the freguesias I research. > > But visits back home would not be recorded. > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das > Tainhas, Achada > -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
[AZORES-Genealogy] immigration
I've been all over ancestry looking at passenger lists for the east coast trying to find my grt grt grandparents entrance to the USA, i've used their Portuguese names and their anglicized names, supposedly he came here in 1888 and she arrived in fairhaven, ma. in 1893. I can only find hints to their arrivals for the year they came. But I can't find anything specific. Is there there other websites that I can search for passenger lists or travel into or out of the country? Mike -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
[AZORES-Genealogy] would they?
according to the 1920 census my great great grandma immigrated in 1893 and the 1930 census says it was 1895. She would have been 25 or 27 upon arrival, in her obituary she left a brother who was in California. My question is then, would they have traveled here together? no matter how much I look I just can't find her, or him for that matter with anything definitive. Mike -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] would they?
I have Cheri's info on how to read the records on the CCA site, I've just always been better with numbers than I am with words whether in another language or english. My question was would they have left Pico to come to the USA together? How likely is it that she would have come here by herself as a single woman even though she was 8 years older than her brother and he cam here married, Her name was Maria Leal dad Rosa b1868 d1932 my info has her arriving in Fairhaven, Mass. in 1893. His name was Antonio Leal Rosa b1875 d?, he married Maria Paulina b1879 d? all were from Piedade, Lajes do Pico, Pico. Did I read somewhere correctly that they would have needed passports to leave the Azores for the USA? what info do I need and is it the CCA site I will have to look? Mike On Sunday, August 26, 2012 2:44:17 PM UTC-4, PearlCat 500 wrote: > > Michael, > > I have a similar situation with my great grandfather. He came here > supposedly in 1898. The only vessel for that year is a schooner from his > island Sao Jorge to Provincetown, Ma. There are names that look like his > brothers, but he is now where on the list. They are all probably related > somehow since it is a small island. The lady in New Bedford, Ma helping me > said that not all ships manifests have been done. We could not find info on > the schooner so seeing if he was crew has not been found either. We checked > other records that say he came here in 1898 but they do not record the > actual date or how. We checked the whale men out of New Bedford he is not > there so he did not work in that field. The search continues. He is found > in 1906 when he brought his new bride here. They went to New Bedford. > Trying to find out how long they stayed in New Bedford and with whom and > how they got to California. > He has a common name as well Jorge Faustino da Silva, 1880-1950 son of > Joao Faustino da Luz. > Keep searching it will be found. > Robin L > > On Aug 26, 2012, at 11:43, Michael Gilfilian > > > wrote: > > Well I've searched thru Prolly between 3000-3500 name variations on > ancestry, family search, and others, my next place will be on the cca site > but I still can't make out to much on that website > On Aug 25, 2012 9:41 PM, "Frank or JoElayne Johnson" > > > wrote: > >> Where are you looking? >> >> >> JoElayne Ferre' Johnson >> >> >> -- >> *From:* Mike > >> *To:* azo...@googlegroups.com >> *Sent:* Saturday, August 25, 2012 5:38 PM >> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] would they? >> >> according to the 1920 census my great great grandma immigrated in 1893 >> and the 1930 census says it was 1895. She would have been 25 or 27 upon >> arrival, in her obituary she left a brother who was in California. My >> question is then, would they have traveled here together? no matter how >> much I look I just can't find her, or him for that matter with anything >> definitive. >> >> Mike >> >> -- >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> azores+un...@googlegroups.com . Follow the confirmation >> directions when they arrive. >> For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail >> (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the >> right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my >> membership." >> >> >> -- >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> azores+un...@googlegroups.com . Follow the confirmation >> directions when they arrive. >> For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail >> (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the >> right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my >> membership." > > -- > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > azores+un...@googlegroups.com . Follow the confirmation > directions when they arrive. > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the > right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my > membership." > > -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: would they?
On Saturday, August 25, 2012 8:38:49 PM UTC-4, Mike wrote: > > according to the 1920 census my great great grandma immigrated in 1893 and > the 1930 census says it was 1895. She would have been 25 or 27 upon > arrival, in her obituary she left a brother who was in California. My > question is then, would they have traveled here together? no matter how > much I look I just can't find her, or him for that matter with anything > definitive. > > Mike > -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: would they?
Yes I have the Neps record, their sister Rosa was born in 1870 and at some point she moved to Angustias, Faial and died in 1939, I don't think the naturalization record posted is for my Antonio because I have his birth and baptism from the church record book he was born in 1875 and married a maria paulina in 1897 before coming to the USA, I also have the marriage record and certificate for Maria and Antonio in 1896 from St. john the baptist church in New bedford, Mass. the arrival that E found could very well be her, I'm thinking that I need to find a passport for her leaving Pico to come here to prove or disprove it is her? I'm thinking that they didn't come to the USA at the same timebecause of the age she married my Grt Grt grandfather and that Antonio married while still on Pico after maria married here. I'm sorry if this is confusing, I'm starting to think I should just move on to something else for now and come back to their arrival here at a later date. I really do appreciate all you have done on my behalf... Mike On Monday, August 27, 2012 7:23:10 AM UTC-4, Mike wrote: > > > > On Saturday, August 25, 2012 8:38:49 PM UTC-4, Mike wrote: >> >> according to the 1920 census my great great grandma immigrated in 1893 >> and the 1930 census says it was 1895. She would have been 25 or 27 upon >> arrival, in her obituary she left a brother who was in California. My >> question is then, would they have traveled here together? no matter how >> much I look I just can't find her, or him for that matter with anything >> definitive. >> >> Mike >> > -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Admiration for those who can read the Portugese handwritten lists!
- Jo, I'm right there with you, I can't hardly make out the records that have been found and translated for me when I have all the words right there in front of me. what is making it hard for me is that the records on the CCA site appear to be fairly long but once you translate them they are only a few sentences long. i've been having to rely on the kindness of others or pay someone who can do it...Mike On Saturday, August 25, 2012 12:59:21 PM UTC-4, Jo Mello Hartmann wrote: > > I can barely make out the names on the passport lists or the other > available info handwritten in beautiful script in Portugese. Not knowing > what the column headings mean I really don't know what the heck I'm > seeing.I think I have a very large headache! Will try reading more > pages of the passport lists later. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Am travelling to the Azores, hoping to find family.
On this subject of traveling to the Azores, have any of you made contact with family over there either in person by visiting or by mail or email? How receptive are they to meet such extended family as us here in the states? On Monday, August 27, 2012 2:22:11 PM UTC-4, Phyl68 wrote: > > I think im able to find the village, as far as family I had heard she was > one of 19, and I only knew one aunt who died a few years after her. Do you > think their government department which deals with birth records would be a > place for me to start?. I will be staying right in Ponta Delgada, but > renting a car so i have access to explore. > > On Monday, 27 August 2012 14:53:20 UTC-3, Cheri Mello wrote: >> >> Phyl, >> >> You are going to have to find the freguesia (village) your mom was from >> on Sao Miguel to begin your search. Is there anyone left in the family >> that would know this? Your dad, your mom's siblings, you mom's cousins in >> Bermuda??? >> Cheri Mello >> Listowner, Azores-Gen >> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das >> Tainhas, Achada >> > -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
[AZORES-Genealogy] help offer
I'm a member of the new England historical genealogy website, if your researching in the mass, NY, ri,VT,NH area I will look for you so I can contribute more than asking for help. PM me with as much as you know about the person and ill search for you...Mike -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
[AZORES-Genealogy] great grandfather
I'm going to try and find information on my great grandfather again, I know his anglicized name was Joseph Pine He was born 23 October 1894 from his WWI draft registration in Fairhaven, Mass. He died between 1918 and Oct 1924, these dates coincide with my grandpa's birthday and my grt grandmas 2nd marriage, his WWI record confirms his throat affliction. He married my great grandma Maria Pereira on May 19, 1917 in Dartmouth, Mass This is all I could find and verify that's it him, because he died so young, my mother and grandmother don't know anything about him, I don't know where to go next or if I even have enough to find anything. Mike searching, Piedade, Pico and Faial ?? -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: great grandfather
He was born we were led to believe in Cedros, but that's maybe a 1% chance right now, his draft reg is only from fairhaven because that's where he and my grt grandma lived at first. On Thursday, September 6, 2012 9:11:51 AM UTC-4, Mike wrote: > > I'm going to try and find information on my great grandfather again, > I know his anglicized name was Joseph Pine > He was born 23 October 1894 from his WWI draft registration in Fairhaven, > Mass. > He died between 1918 and Oct 1924, these dates coincide with my grandpa's > birthday and my grt grandmas 2nd marriage, his WWI record confirms his > throat affliction. > He married my great grandma Maria Pereira on May 19, 1917 in Dartmouth, > Mass > This is all I could find and verify that's it him, because he died so > young, my mother and grandmother don't know anything about him, I don't > know where to go next or if I even have enough to find anything. > Mike > searching, Piedade, Pico and Faial ?? > > -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Writing the family history
I agree, what isn't common knowledge to the family and is only learned by you through hearsay I'd leave out. Nobody wants to learn that someone in their family was like that, especially since they will never have known the man On Monday, September 10, 2012 2:36:16 PM UTC-4, Leonard Silva wrote: > > I have been researching my grandfather in the hopes of writing a history > for the coming generations and to satisfy the curiosity of my family about > their heritage. > > After some research, I find that the kindly old man that I knew as a child > may not have been all that nice. Stories are starting to arise of abuse, > excessive drinking, and estrangement of his children. > > My father was a product of his second marriage and cared a lot for his > parents. Vovoo was an old man of 75 when I was born, and I only knew a > sweet, kind old man who loved me. Now, I am finding that the children of > his first marriage did not hold him in such high esteem. > > So, my question for the group is: If you were putting together a family > history for the generations to come, how would you handle this? > > Most of the stories are hearsay as there is no one alive with direct > knowledge, but there must be something to them. > > I am inclined to be very honest in relating family stories, but I wonder > how some of you might handle this. > > Thanks for your input, > > Len > -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
[AZORES-Genealogy] A BIG THANK YOU!!!
I don't exactly remember which one of you found the church in New Bedford for me for my Ggrandparents marriage based on just the priests name. But I just got off the phone with the church secretary for Our Lady of Mount Carmel because I had the date she was very easily able to find their record of marriage and she is sending me a certificate with all the information. Now I have his full name, and his parents full names. these names match up exactly with a family on the Neps site for Cedros, Faial. Now I just have to find a way to prove that he actually came here from that village and is the right guy. whoo hoo Mike -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
[AZORES-Genealogy] do you know him
In our family burial plot in St. John the Baptist cemetery in New Bedford, Ma. There is a man named Joao Jose Pacheco, he was buried on November 30th, 1918. According to the cemetery records he was 92 years old. As far as I know he is not a member of our family, I do understand that families helped out other families if money was an issue when it came to burying family members. Is it possible that he is related to any list members? Mike -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
[AZORES-Genealogy] Neps question
I was wondering something about the Neps webpages. If in fact you are looking at a family that you know for sure are members of your family. The dates of birth, location of birth etc.., but there is no information with regards to the death of the person, can that be an indication that they may have died in the U.S. or another place? I know that it's a stretch in my thinking but was just wondering. Mike -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] help
NEHGS shows only the same info also, might have to contact Rhode Island directly or find the church they married in but it just shows the date On Tuesday, September 18, 2012 1:03:33 PM UTC-4, belle...@gmail.com wrote: > > Joe, > > Go to familysearch.org It does not have a copy of the record but it gives > this info. The names are misspelled. Maybe someone with access to NEHGS > might be able to get copy of actual record. > > Maria Corraia 20 and Augusto Dossantos 21 Marriage Date: Aug. 8, 1906 > She b. 1886 > He b. 1885 > His parents: Father: Mancel (maybe Manoel) Mother: Emilia > Her parents: Father: Francisco Mother: Maria > > "E" > > On , joe m > wrote: > > if someone has a subscription to ancestry.com could you look up the > following couple in attachment,thanx. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
[AZORES-Genealogy] struck out again
Well I struck out again in trying to find my gggrandfathers village on Faial. I tried a index search for his naturalization paperwork with the USCIS.gov website with zero findings, they said because of when he became a citizen the records could be if at all in the state, county, city or town archives. I tried Bristol county in Mass, they said no good, so I tried Dartmouth where he lived with no luck, they are sending me his death certificate but that only says he was from Faial. Would he have needed a passport to leave the azores and since he was from Faial and probably left from that port would a record of passport be there and would it show his village of origin? ?His name was Antonio Silveira Pereira Sr., from what I've been told he arrived in New Bedford on April 1st, 1888, but for his arrival that is all I'm partially sure of. Any ideas? Mike -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Happy 7th Birthday to the Azores Genealogy List!
I got turned onto this group by Cheri herself, when I wrote an email to the FTDNA website she responded to me, we spkoe on the phone for over an hour and I learned a lot, soon after I was using this group, I had my DNA tested which I never thought of before. In the short time I've been a member of this group you have helped me find my family in Piedade, Lajes do Pico, Pico which made it grow by a bunch. Found out I am related to Doug da Rocha Homes and his father. This group and all its members are such a wealth of knowledge that thank you doesn't seem to be enough. May it continue to grow, may I continue to learn and may you continue to teach, my best, Mike On Tuesday, September 25, 2012 10:35:42 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote: > > This list will be 7 years old on the 27th! The first post was on the > 28th. I can't believe this has been going on 7 years already! > > Today, our 1000th member signed up! There are 1000 email addresses > subscribed to his list now. Seven years ago, I thought I would wind up > with 300 or maybe 350 members. As those numbers approached, I thought > maybe 500 would be it. I'm amazed at the number of people doing Azorean > genealogy. > > May the list, our web site at Azores Gen Web, and especially the spirit of > helping among our members continue for more years to come! > -- > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das > Tainhas, Achada > -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
[AZORES-Genealogy] found him
Well we found him finally, my mom and her cousin always had said that my great grandfather was from Cedros, the group helped me find his WWI draft record, I found his marriage record and got the certificate from the church after someone on the list told me what church to go to based on the priests name. We knew he had a sister Francisca that we visited. I thought I had found him on the CCA site but wasn't sure so I asked Joao Ventura to check it out, he searched a 5 year span for births and yes it was him. So I'm confident that I finally have the right guy, it never would have happened without all your help. Mike -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] FTDNA's Flash Weekend Sale (Fri, Sept. 28 through Sun, Sept 30)
if you're ordering an upgraded test will you be sent another test kit or do the first test kits provide enough data where it just needs to be interpreted? On Thursday, September 27, 2012 9:14:58 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote: > > Pam, > > Because I think they the are going to be phasing out the basic mtDNA test > (tests only HVR1) and the mtDNA Plus test (tests HVR1 & 2). > > Traditionally, they have had a Holiday Sale in December and usually a wide > variety of tests are on sale then. > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das > Tainhas, Achada > -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] found him
hey Leanne, as you can tell by my Ggrandfather's birthdate I'm no where near as far back as you are, maybe someday, my next major stumbling block is my GGgrandfather and where on Faial he came from, On Friday, September 28, 2012 5:40:34 PM UTC-4, Leanne Anysia wrote: > > Mike - > > The earliest ancestor I can trace on my mother's father's side was a man > named Joao Pinheiro (possibly also Botelho), who was born in 1590 and > married to Beatriz Vieira Goncalves. Joao's church records claims he was > born in Cedros, but my research states that Cedros was not founded until > 1594, so this may be inaccurate. Do let me know if you trace your Pinheiro > family back that far and we can compare! > > Congrats. :) > > - Leanne > > On Thursday, September 27, 2012 8:10:32 AM UTC-7, Mike wrote: >> >> My great grandfathers name was Jose da Rosa Pinheiro >> >> José, legitimate son of José da Rosa Pinheiro, farmer, native of Cedros, >> and Luísa Emília da Silveira, native of Salão, both married in Cedros, >> where they live in Canada do Sousa, paternal grandson of unknown >> grandfather and Rosa Vicência and maternal of José Silveira de Medeiros and >> Rosa Emília, was born at 7 a.m., on 2 November 1893 and was baptized on the >> 8th, in Cedros. Godparents were João Silveira Pinheiro, farmer, and his >> wife Maria Perpétua da Silveira. The godparents cannot write. >> On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 10:00 AM, wrote: >> >>> ** >>> Mike, I am happy for you! >>> >>> Mind telling us his full name & birthdate & his parents and grandparents >>> from the baptismo that Joao found for you? Always looking for cousins from >>> Cedros, Salao & Ribeirinha. >>> >>> Al >>> >>> In a message dated 9/27/2012 9:39:44 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >>> mgilfi...@gmail.com writes: >>> >>> Well we found him finally >>> >>> -- >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> azores+un...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when >>> they arrive. >>> For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail >>> (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the >>> right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my >>> membership." >>> >> >> -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] found him
I have absolutely no idea what village she's from, my GGgrandfather was born aprox 1867 because his death cert says he was 90 at his death in july of 1957, so maybe his parents born 1849 or earlier? Mike On Thursday, October 11, 2012 2:52:02 PM UTC-4, Leanne Anysia wrote: > > I have three Mariana's, but they are all Mariana Freitas. lol. Sorry, > dude. If she's from Cedros, she is likely related to my Silveira branch. > > Do you know what village or timeline she is from? > > - Leanne > > On Thursday, October 11, 2012 10:29:26 AM UTC-7, Mike wrote: >> >> His fathers name was also Antonio Silveira Pereira and his mothers name >> was Marianna(Mareanna)? Silveira da Silveira. Her first name has been >> spelled both ways...anyone recognize her? >> On Oct 3, 2012 3:44 PM, "Michael Gilfilian" wrote: >> >>> Antonio Silveira Pereira, a very popular name from what I find. Born >>> about 1867 where on island I don't know. >>> On Oct 2, 2012 10:01 PM, "Shirley Allegre" >>> wrote: >>> >>>> ** >>>> Who was your grgrandfather on Faial? >>>> My husband has ancestors from Faial. >>>> >>>> Shirley in CA >>>> >>>> - Original Message - >>>> *From:* Mike >>>> *To:* azo...@googlegroups.com >>>> *Sent:* Friday, September 28, 2012 3:32 PM >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] found him >>>> >>>> hey Leanne, as you can tell by my Ggrandfather's birthdate I'm no where >>>> near as far back as you are, maybe someday, my next major stumbling block >>>> is my GGgrandfather and where on Faial he came from, >>>> >>>> On Friday, September 28, 2012 5:40:34 PM UTC-4, Leanne Anysia wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Mike - >>>>> >>>>> The earliest ancestor I can trace on my mother's father's side was a >>>>> man named Joao Pinheiro (possibly also Botelho), who was born in 1590 and >>>>> married to Beatriz Vieira Goncalves. Joao's church records claims he was >>>>> born in Cedros, but my research states that Cedros was not founded until >>>>> 1594, so this may be inaccurate. Do let me know if you trace your >>>>> Pinheiro >>>>> family back that far and we can compare! >>>>> >>>>> Congrats. :) >>>>> >>>>> - Leanne >>>>> >>>>> On Thursday, September 27, 2012 8:10:32 AM UTC-7, Mike wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> My great grandfathers name was Jose da Rosa Pinheiro >>>>>> >>>>>> José, legitimate son of José da Rosa Pinheiro, farmer, native of >>>>>> Cedros, and Luísa Emília da Silveira, native of Salão, both married in >>>>>> Cedros, where they live in Canada do Sousa, paternal grandson of unknown >>>>>> grandfather and Rosa Vicência and maternal of José Silveira de Medeiros >>>>>> and >>>>>> Rosa Emília, was born at 7 a.m., on 2 November 1893 and was baptized on >>>>>> the >>>>>> 8th, in Cedros. Godparents were João Silveira Pinheiro, farmer, and >>>>>> his wife Maria Perpétua da Silveira. The godparents cannot write. >>>>>> On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 10:00 AM, wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> ** >>>>>>> Mike, I am happy for you! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Mind telling us his full name & birthdate & his parents and >>>>>>> grandparents from the baptismo that Joao found for you? Always looking >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> cousins from Cedros, Salao & Ribeirinha. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Al >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In a message dated 9/27/2012 9:39:44 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >>>>>>> mgilfi...@gmail.com writes: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Well we found him finally >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>> azores+un...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions >>>>>>> when they arrive. >>>>>>> For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No >>>>>>> Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account
[AZORES-Genealogy] names
I have in one family group from Piedade, Pico, that had a daughter named Rosa Maria born in 1765, there is no date of death or anything else that I know as of yet. In 1769 they had another daughter and named her Rosa Maria also. My question is would they have done this because the first Rosa Maria died very young? Or would it have been to honor the name of someone else? Or did they just like the name? I know it would help if I could find out more about them both and that it's not safe to assume anything but wanted to ask the question. Mike -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
[AZORES-Genealogy] father
My great grandfather's father is listed as incognito but his mother is listed on his baptism, this means he was more than likely born out of wedlock, if that is the case is there anyway to find out who his father was? Mike Faial-Pinheiro, Pereira, da Silveira, de Medeiros, da Rosa, Vicencia Pico, da Rosa, Anjos, Lima, de Azevedo, Lima, Avila, Fraga -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
[AZORES-Genealogy] have infant?
On the plot where my family is buried the is a infant girl her name is Estrella Duarte, born 25 November 1882, died 6 April 1883 in New Bedford. She was buried in st. John the Baptist cemetery, her parents were Manuel Duarte and Maria Nunes. That's all I got except that she died of a Spasm of the Larnyx. I'm waiting to hear back on the death certificate but am hoping maybe someone with more experiance might be able to find something. Mike -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on "unknown father'
Hi Doug, didn't know you over there visiting the islands, have you learned anything new about the family where your father and I connect. I would love someday to visit the lands of my ancestors. I think that it would be very exciting and educational... Mike On Saturday, December 8, 2012 1:09:59 PM UTC-5, Doug Holmes wrote: > > Hi John, > > I didn't know about the stipend given to unwed mothers to keep the baby. > That was surely a very effective way to prevent many babies from > abandonment. > > I always look carefully at the godparents. Ever since I found a cousin > living in Piedade, Pico from my Leal da Rosa side, way back in 1992 or so > on my first visit there, I really paid attention, because this person's > ancestor was born before the parents married. There was no hint in the > marriage record that he was born illegitimate. But I couldn't locate his > baptism until I found the mother about a year before she married. This was > about 1840, to give you a time frame. The father was listed as unknown, BUT > the father was the godfather in this instance. I don't remember for certain > whether I have ever seen that again, but just in case, I like to identify > the families of the godparents, because more often than not they are uncles > and aunts, as you well know. > > Obrigado, > > Doug da Rocha Holmes > Sacramento, California > Pico Genealogist > 916-550-1618 > > > Original Message > Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on "unknown father' > From: John Raposo > > Date: Sat, December 08, 2012 9:56 am > To: "azo...@googlegroups.com " > > > > > Doug is correct in his explanation and observations. I would add that big > places like Ponta Delgada and Vila Franca, etc, often had convents, with > their lazy Susan wheels. This meant that instead of just abandonning a > child in a tiny rural village where he might not be "found" right away, the > child was immediately (unanymously and with the mother unseen by the > institution) taken in by the foundling home/convent instead of being left > exposed "exposto" to the elements and the mercy of a chance discovery. The > problem is that these convents often did not have enough wet > nurses available to take in all of the babies taken in and the death rate > was even higher for those children than for the ones who were placed, > although the death rate for them was also higher than average. > Although the rate of abandonned children was high in the towns and cities, > it was also alarmingly high in the villages in the 18th to mid 19th > centuries. There are probably two reasons for this: 1- Poverty/too many > mouths to feed and not enough land to produce as much food as needed (When > the government started paying a stipend to the unwed mother for the care > and maintainance of the child, the rate of abandonment dropped dramatically > around 1850); 2- the stigma of giving birth to a child outside of marriage. > In the villages, the identity of the parents of many of these children of > unknown parentage was an open secret. > >*From:* "pi...@dholmes.com " > > > *To:* azo...@googlegroups.com > *Sent:* Saturday, December 8, 2012 7:56 AM > *Subject:* RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on "unknown father' > > Hi Eileen, > > You are not reading the records correctly. > > Pai = father > Pais = parents (also means country, but not in this case). > > So what you are talking about are children abandoned and the women married > to men are known as the "ama" or wet nurses given the charge of caring for > them. > > These children are called "expostos" or foundlings and if they should live > to adulthood might choose the surname of these foster parents, but not > always, by any means. > > Expostos tend to be greater in larger locations. Check out the volume of > them in a city like Angra where they had separate books for some time > periods. > Same for Ponta Delgada's parishes. > > The reason for this might be, or probably is that they were brought from > outside villages to the main villages or city. > > If the woman was single and kept the child, the record usually reads > "filho/a natural de ..." and then the name of the mother. Often, but not > always the father will be listed as pai incognito, or simply not mentioned. > > Good luck, > > Doug da Rocha Holmes > Sacramento, California > Pico Genealogist > 916-550-1618 > > > Original Message > Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on "unknown father' > From: "Eileen Leite" > > Date: Sat, De
