[AZORES-Genealogy] Books

[Sean Andrade]

Hi,

Are the any books written or translated into English regarding the early 
settlers of the Azores?

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Birth Record

[Sean Andrade]

Thanks!

On Monday, August 6, 2018 at 5:00:15 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Joao Jose da Silva Botelho (from Sra. do Rosario in Lagoa - written as 
> Alagoa, really Nossa Senhora do Rosario) and Maria Isabel native of Santa 
> Cruz, matriz, which is also Lagoa. 
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Mon, Aug 6, 2018 at 4:50 PM, Sean Andrade  > wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Joao on the top right: 
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1846-1849/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1846-1849_item1/P133.html
>>
>> I am having a tough time reading where his parents are from. Can anyone 
>> make it out?
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Sean
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Birth Record

[Sean Andrade]

Hi,

Joao on the top 
right: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1846-1849/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1846-1849_item1/P133.html

I am having a tough time reading where his parents are from. Can anyone 
make it out?

Thanks!
Sean

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Rabo de Peixe Marriage

[Sean Andrade]

Hi,

I believe this is the birth record for the bride in the above marriage 
record, but I am having a tough time with names

Francisca top 
right: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1846-1851/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1846-1851_item1/P186.html

Father: _ Jose Alves?
Mother: Maria Isabel

Paternal GP: _ Francisco Alves (dead) and Angelica Rosa?

Maternal GP: _ Jose  and Francisca Helena?

On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 8:19:17 PM UTC-7, Sean Andrade wrote:
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> Thanks!

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Rabo de Peixe Marriage

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Thanks!

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Rabo de Peixe Marriage

[Sean Andrade]

Hi,

For the marriage record of Manuel and Francisca starting on the bottom 
right: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1870-1879/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1870-1879_item1/P67.html

Can anyone make out where Francisca's parents are from?

Thanks!

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Obit

[Sean Andrade]

Thank you everyone for the help!

On Thursday, May 3, 2018 at 8:06:20 PM UTC-7, JR wrote:
>
> Okay you are right. It seems I transposed the year from another file, but 
> at this point I don't know where the date came from. So 1785 is incorrect 
> for sure. However, I do have that Antonio de Souto married Antonia Maria, 
> Feb 19- 1786. He was viuva de Maria Gularte. 
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CAPELO-C-1736-1816/FAL-HT-CAPELO-C-1736-1816_item1/P100.html
>
> I will look around to see where I made mistake.
>
> JR
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, May 3, 2018 at 9:50:18 PM UTC-4, Sean Andrade wrote:
>>
>> Hi JR,
>>
>> I never found any records of Manuel having a daughter, but she is on the 
>> Citem site listed with no parents. I believe you have her marriage date 
>> wrong though as this record is from 1774 and you have her marriage in 1785. 
>> Can you see the correct year?
>>
>> On Thursday, May 3, 2018 at 6:22:13 PM UTC-7, JR wrote:
>>>
>>> Mel Gr.a de Andrade v.o de Ma. G.te nat Santissima Trindade, Capello, de 
>>> idade de oitenta oito annos, faleceu, May 10- 1774, sepultado na igreja 
>>> abaixo de da grade S.Matheus amortalado em habito picote a Irmadade das 
>>> Almas...he was accompanied by the college ...and he left will with 
>>> instructions for a number of prayers to be said for his soul. The executor 
>>> was his son in law (genro), Antonio do Souto, who was married to Maria 
>>> Gularte de Faria, filha of said Manuel Garcia de Andrade, married 13 Oct 
>>> 1785, in Capelo.
>>>
>>> JR
>>>
>>> On Thursday, May 3, 2018 at 9:04:15 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, I'm trying to figure out if there's another "a" or if it's bleed 
>>>> through. I tried to look at the image on the back page. Then I'm focusing 
>>>> on the faded letters. It seems like it could be M^a ag^te (or a) or Maria 
>>>> Goularte. Hope Sean knows who he was married to!
>>>>
>>>> Cheri Mello
>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira 
>>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 5:48 PM,  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I think Cheri is right about the age, 88.  For the spouse I see "V.o 
>>>>> de M.a G.te" which I believe is widower of Maria Goularte.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Obit

[Sean Andrade]

Hi JR,

I never found any records of Manuel having a daughter, but she is on the 
Citem site listed with no parents. I believe you have her marriage date 
wrong though as this record is from 1774 and you have her marriage in 1785. 
Can you see the correct year?

On Thursday, May 3, 2018 at 6:22:13 PM UTC-7, JR wrote:
>
> Mel Gr.a de Andrade v.o de Ma. G.te nat Santissima Trindade, Capello, de 
> idade de oitenta oito annos, faleceu, May 10- 1774, sepultado na igreja 
> abaixo de da grade S.Matheus amortalado em habito picote a Irmadade das 
> Almas...he was accompanied by the college ...and he left will with 
> instructions for a number of prayers to be said for his soul. The executor 
> was his son in law (genro), Antonio do Souto, who was married to Maria 
> Gularte de Faria, filha of said Manuel Garcia de Andrade, married 13 Oct 
> 1785, in Capelo.
>
> JR
>
> On Thursday, May 3, 2018 at 9:04:15 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, I'm trying to figure out if there's another "a" or if it's bleed 
>> through. I tried to look at the image on the back page. Then I'm focusing 
>> on the faded letters. It seems like it could be M^a ag^te (or a) or Maria 
>> Goularte. Hope Sean knows who he was married to!
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>> On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 5:48 PM,  wrote:
>>
>>> I think Cheri is right about the age, 88.  For the spouse I see "V.o de 
>>> M.a G.te" which I believe is widower of Maria Goularte.
>>>
>>> Bill
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Obit

[Sean Andrade]

Hi,

Bottom right for Manuel Garcia de 
Andrade: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CAPELO-O-1738-1791/FAL-HT-CAPELO-O-1738-1791_item1/P102.html

Does it say if he is married or widowed?

Can anyone make out how old it says he is?

I see the date as May 1774, but can't make out the day, can anyone make it 
out?

Thanks!
Sean

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Familias Faialenses

[Sean Andrade]

I found on here that you can search by 
name: 
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=njp.32101007628793;view=thumb;seq=11

On the top right under Login you can search by  name and it will bring you 
to a web page and list page numbers of where the name can be found.

On Friday, April 27, 2018 at 12:20:41 PM UTC-7, rcapodc wrote:
>
> I know, Sam but of sorts is all it is! Not an index of everyone! So 
> frustrating when you know the names but they are connected to others and 
> you don't know how they are connected to find them! 
>
>
> Rosemarie 
> rcap...@gmail.com 
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
> On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 12:07 PM, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
> azo...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> Rosemarie;  The last page is in index, “of sorts”.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Sam (Mazatlan, MX)
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From: *Rosemarie Capodicci 
>> *Sent: *Friday, April 27, 2018 10:55 AM
>> *To: *azo...@googlegroups.com 
>> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Familias Faialenses
>>
>>  
>>
>> Sean, to shed some light on your questions about the Andrade family, they 
>> may be mentioned somewhere in the book but since the book is NOT indexed 
>> except for the Chapter Headings, you have to read each one to see if there 
>> is a mention of your surname! It's very frustrating. I wish that someone 
>> would index the book as a project! 
>>
>>  
>>
>>
>> Rosemarie 
>>
>> rcap...@gmail.com 
>>
>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>>
>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 9:19 AM, Sean Andrade > > wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>>  
>>
>> It looks like the link is not working.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Is this book tracking the first families of Faial? I did a very quick 
>> skim of what I could find online and did not see the Andrade name in it 
>> which goes back many generations on that island. I'm curious how he picked 
>> what names to discuss. I'm sure he says it in the book, but I can't read 
>> Portuguese well enough.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, April 27, 2018 at 8:35:05 AM UTC-7, rcapodc wrote:
>>
>> Familias Faialenses (the book published in 1922 by Marcelino Lima) is on 
>> the CCA site, according to Charlene Pita Sandlin,of the Sao Jorge FB page. 
>> I don't know how long it's been on there but if you have anyone from Faial 
>> or even Pico and Terceira, check it out here: 
>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAMILIAS-FAIALENSES/FAMILIASFAIALENSES_item1/index.html
>>
>>  
>>
>> Rosemarie 
>>
>> rca...@gmail.com 
>>
>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>>
>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Familias Faialenses

[Sean Andrade]

Hi,

It looks like the link is not working.

Is this book tracking the first families of Faial? I did a very quick skim 
of what I could find online and did not see the Andrade name in it which 
goes back many generations on that island. I'm curious how he picked what 
names to discuss. I'm sure he says it in the book, but I can't read 
Portuguese well enough.

On Friday, April 27, 2018 at 8:35:05 AM UTC-7, rcapodc wrote:
>
> Familias Faialenses (the book published in 1922 by Marcelino Lima) is on 
> the CCA site, according to Charlene Pita Sandlin,of the Sao Jorge FB page. 
> I don't know how long it's been on there but if you have anyone from Faial 
> or even Pico and Terceira, check it out here: 
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAMILIAS-FAIALENSES/FAMILIASFAIALENSES_item1/index.html
>
> Rosemarie 
> rcap...@gmail.com 
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage Record Capelo

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 Thanks!

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage Record Capelo

[Sean Andrade]

Thanks! In regards to dispensation's, there may be documents out there 
somewhere, just not online?

On Monday, April 2, 2018 at 7:15:11 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
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> 4th degree, so 3rd cousins.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Mon, Apr 2, 2018 at 5:40 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci  > wrote:
>
>> Sean, the first sentence says something about dispensation for being 
>> cousins but I can't see the degree. 
>>
>> Rosemarie 
>> rcap...@gmail.com 
>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 2, 2018 at 4:50 PM, Sean Andrade > > wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I am across this marriage record on the top left: 
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CAPELO-C-1736-1816/FAL-HT-CAPELO-C-1736-1816_item1/P21.html
>>>
>>> I believe it is between Miguel Silveira and Rosa Maria
>>>
>>> I am curious why it looks different compared to others, like the one 
>>> below it. There are some similar to this record and some similar to the one 
>>> below it. I don't typically see two different marriage records like this on 
>>> back to back pages. Is there a reason for this? Does this marriage record 
>>> say something different then the one below it?
>>>
>>> I can't translate this record but I do notice that it has words that I 
>>> do not recognize especially on the first few lines.
>>>
>>> Any help is appreciated!
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Sean
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage Record Capelo

[Sean Andrade]

Hi,

I am across this marriage record on the top 
left: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CAPELO-C-1736-1816/FAL-HT-CAPELO-C-1736-1816_item1/P21.html

I believe it is between Miguel Silveira and Rosa Maria

I am curious why it looks different compared to others, like the one below 
it. There are some similar to this record and some similar to the one below 
it. I don't typically see two different marriage records like this on back 
to back pages. Is there a reason for this? Does this marriage record say 
something different then the one below it?

I can't translate this record but I do notice that it has words that I do 
not recognize especially on the first few lines.

Any help is appreciated!

Thanks!
Sean

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Rabo de Peixe marriage record

[Sean Andrade]

Thanks for all the help! If she is indeed from Sao Roque, where exactly is 
that?

In the baptism record for Candida, it looks like it lists her grand 
parents. Can anyone help me with the names and where they are from? It 
looks like everyone is from somewhere else and I can't make any of it out.

On Friday, February 9, 2018 at 7:16:08 PM UTC-8, bsei...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Here is the bride's baptism 
>
>
> *http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1851-1857/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1851-1857_item1/P96.html*
>  
> 
>
> This clearly shows her father as Caetano Tavares Correa da Silva and from 
> parish of NS do Rosario, city of Goiana (Brasil) and that her mother, Maria 
> da Conceição is from "deste fregesia" (this parish of Senhor Bom Jesus in 
> Rabo de Peixe?)  This is confusing because the marriage you provided says 
> she is natural of São Roque.
>
> Also, the marriage you posted says the groom is from São José, Ponta 
> Delgada, his father is from NS do Rosario, Vila da Lagoa and his mother 
> from the matriz of the referenced vila.  This is probably the last 
> referenced vila which is Lagoa (Matriz is Santa Cruz), but the Vila of 
> Ribeira Grande is also reference earlier so it might be Estrela.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Bill Seidler
>  
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Rabo de Peixe marriage record

[Sean Andrade]

Hi,

I just want to confirm that this record on the right page is for Joao da 
Silva Botelho and Candida Rosa do Espirito 
Santo: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1870-1879/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1870-1879_item1/P128.html

This is what I can make out of the parents names

Joao: Joao Jose da Silva Bothelo and Maria Isabel Augusta?

Candida: I can't make out the dads name, and mom I see Maria Concecao?

Does it say how hold the married couple is and can anyone make out where 
the parents are from?

Thanks!
Sean

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Francisco from Praia do Norte on Faial

[Sean Andrade]

Hi Olivia,

Can you let me know which post you were responding to?

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Birth Record Margin Notes

[Sean Andrade]

Thanks for all the help! I can't imagine the odds of someone from the 
mainland and someone else from Brazil having a child in Rabo de Peixe, 
especially back then.

I found Marcionila's birth record on the bottom 
left: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1851-1857/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1851-1857_item1/P164.html

I see that it mentions Brazil, but does it mention where the parents were 
married?

On Monday, January 29, 2018 at 4:32:27 PM UTC-8, "E" Sharp wrote:
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> ​Bill,
>
> Mainland Portugal records are fairly easy to research.  Same site tombo.pt  
> Just need to search Portugal not Azores.  
>
> "E"​
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Birth Record Margin Notes

[Sean Andrade]

Thanks! In her parents marriage record that you found can you make out 
their parents names and are they all from Rabo de Peixe?

On Saturday, January 27, 2018 at 7:14:27 PM UTC-8, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> I've seen that from time to time. They leave the Azores, try out Brazil or 
> America, and go back to the Azores.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Sat, Jan 27, 2018 at 7:04 PM, > wrote:
>
>> Sorry...my tree is still a work not in as much progress as it should be.  
>> Thanks...I thought Ruth would probably be a sister of Clotilde.
>>
>> I noticed in the 1899 marriage record that although Clotilde was born in 
>> Brazil, her parents were native of Rabo de Peixe.  I found their marriage 
>> here (Right side)
>>
>>
>> *http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1870-1879/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1870-1879_item1/P133.html*
>>  
>> 
>>
>> They must have moved to Brazil shortly after marrying and then returned 
>> to Rabo de Peixe later with at least two kids.
>>
>>
>> Bill Seidler
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Birth Record Margin Notes

[Sean Andrade]

According to my relative Ruth was his sister in law, Clotilde's sister.

On Thursday, January 25, 2018 at 1:58:11 PM UTC-8, Sean Andrade wrote:
>
> Thanks for the information!
>
> I have a relative that has some oral history on that side of the family 
> and the name Ruth rings a bell, but I can't imagine it being the same one. 
> I will follow up with her to see if she may know anything.
>
> Do you happen to have a family tree that you could share with me? I can 
> email you in private if you don't mind.
>
> Thanks!
> Sean
>
> On Wednesday, January 24, 2018 at 5:46:14 PM UTC-8, bsei...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>>
>> Sean,
>>
>> I found another record that may interest you.
>>
>> Here is the baptism of Manuel Pacheco de Mello, the father of your Maria 
>> and the groom in the marriage on my last post.  Manuel’s age and parents 
>> both fit the marriage record. (#137, bottom right continuing on next page)
>>
>>
>> *http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1870-1874/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1870-1874_item1/P304.html*
>>  
>> <http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1870-1874/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1870-1874_item1/P304.html>
>>
>> Interestingly, the margin note looks like he married in Ribeira Grande to 
>> Ruth Gonçalves da Silva from Ribeirão das Lajes, Estados Unidos do Brazil 
>> (on 15 Jan 1921?).  How this Ruth might relate to Clothilde Gonçalves da 
>> Silva that he married in 1899, or what happened to Clothilde I do not know. 
>>
>> Other margin notes show Manuel became widowed (again?) on 16 Nov 1963? 
>> and died in Rabo de Peixe in 1965.
>>
>> This baptism also shows Manuel is neto paterno de Francisco Pacheco de 
>> Mello and Helena Isabel.  These are my GGG-grandparents through their 
>> son Francisco Pacheco de Mello married to Rita de Jesus.  
>>
>> Here is the baptism of my Manuel Pacheco de Mello (#40, bottom left 
>> continuing on right)  
>>
>>
>> *http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1875-1879/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1875-1879_item1/P17.html*
>>  
>> <http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1875-1879/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1875-1879_item1/P17.html>
>>
>> He has the exact same name and birthplace as yours and is only 3 months 
>> younger so they were contemporaries in Rabo de Peixe.  The two Manuel 
>> Pacheco de Mello baptisms (Nov 1874 and Feb 1875) show them to be first 
>> cousins.  Both have Francisco Pacheco de Mello and Helena Isabel as 
>> paternal grandparents; one from their son Francisco (my great-great 
>> grandfather) and one from their son Manuel (your Maria’s grandfather)
>>
>> I am sorry for the length of this.  I hope I kept everything straight.
>>
>> Bill Seidler
>>  
>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Birth Record Margin Notes

[Sean Andrade]

Thanks for the information!

I have a relative that has some oral history on that side of the family and 
the name Ruth rings a bell, but I can't imagine it being the same one. I 
will follow up with her to see if she may know anything.

Do you happen to have a family tree that you could share with me? I can 
email you in private if you don't mind.

Thanks!
Sean

On Wednesday, January 24, 2018 at 5:46:14 PM UTC-8, bsei...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Sean,
>
> I found another record that may interest you.
>
> Here is the baptism of Manuel Pacheco de Mello, the father of your Maria 
> and the groom in the marriage on my last post.  Manuel’s age and parents 
> both fit the marriage record. (#137, bottom right continuing on next page)
>
>
> *http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1870-1874/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1870-1874_item1/P304.html*
>  
> 
>
> Interestingly, the margin note looks like he married in Ribeira Grande to 
> Ruth Gonçalves da Silva from Ribeirão das Lajes, Estados Unidos do Brazil 
> (on 15 Jan 1921?).  How this Ruth might relate to Clothilde Gonçalves da 
> Silva that he married in 1899, or what happened to Clothilde I do not know. 
>
> Other margin notes show Manuel became widowed (again?) on 16 Nov 1963? and 
> died in Rabo de Peixe in 1965.
>
> This baptism also shows Manuel is neto paterno de Francisco Pacheco de 
> Mello and Helena Isabel.  These are my GGG-grandparents through their son 
> Francisco Pacheco de Mello married to Rita de Jesus.  
>
> Here is the baptism of my Manuel Pacheco de Mello (#40, bottom left 
> continuing on right)  
>
>
> *http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1875-1879/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1875-1879_item1/P17.html*
>  
> 
>
> He has the exact same name and birthplace as yours and is only 3 months 
> younger so they were contemporaries in Rabo de Peixe.  The two Manuel 
> Pacheco de Mello baptisms (Nov 1874 and Feb 1875) show them to be first 
> cousins.  Both have Francisco Pacheco de Mello and Helena Isabel as 
> paternal grandparents; one from their son Francisco (my great-great 
> grandfather) and one from their son Manuel (your Maria’s grandfather)
>
> I am sorry for the length of this.  I hope I kept everything straight.
>
> Bill Seidler
>  
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Birth Record Margin Notes

[Sean Andrade]

Thanks for the help!

Bill, that marriage record you sent, What is Manuels mothers name? I see 
Francisca ___ de Jesus, but can not make out the middle name. I just 
started this side of my tree so I don't have much information yet.

If I wanted to search the Brazil records is there somewhere I can look, 
something similar to the CCA but in Brazil? Is there also a group like this 
for people searching Brazil lines?

On Tuesday, January 23, 2018 at 10:10:50 PM UTC-8, bsei...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I see all the margin notes as Cheri states.  
>
> The parent's marriage is here: 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1890-1899/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1890-1899_item1/P198.html
>  which 
> shows that the groom (your Maria's father) and his parents are from Rabo de 
> Peixe.  The bride (your Maria's mother) is from parish Santa Cruz dos 
> Mendes, Estado do Rio de Janeiro (Brazil).
>
> I have Pacheco de Mello ancestors from Rabo de Peixe also but I'm not sure 
> how (or if) they connect to these Manuels.  My mother's maternal 
> grandfather was Ventura Pacheco de Mello, born Rabo de Peixe in 1885 to 
> Francisco Pacheco de Mello and Rita de Jesus.  My Ventura did have a 
> brother name Manuel Pacheco de Mello but on a 1903 passaporte listing he is 
> shown as single so is not likely either Manuel (father of groom or 
> groom) on this marriage.   
>
> Bill Seidler
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Birth Record Margin Notes

[Sean Andrade]

Hi,

I am having a tough time with this record. It is for Maria on the Bottom 
Left: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1900-1905/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-B-1900-1905_item1/P74.html

The parents to me look like Manuel Pacheco de Mello and Clottilde Goncales 
da Silva

Does it say that the parents are from the same place or somewhere else?

The margin notes look like it states who she married, but then there are 
some other notes underneath and on to the second page that I am having 
trouble with. Can anyone make it out?

Thanks!
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ribeira Grande - Sao Miguel

[Sean Andrade]

Thanks Cheri! I tried that email you have me and so far no bounce back, so 
perhaps it is correct.

I will also reach out to Joao Ventura.

Thanks!

On Friday, October 6, 2017 at 2:07:35 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Yes, you have to write to the Civil Registry (like an American county) for 
> the record for your freguesia (village).
>
> I would say that there's a mistake in the email address. I think it may 
> be: registos.rgra...@irn.mj.pt. But I don't want to send you on a wild 
> goose chase, either.
>
> I'd hire Joao Ventura, the archivist, to retrieve it for you. You can 
> email him your ancestor's information and vital dates with your freguesia 
> of Rabo de Peixe and ask him for his rates. I don't know how long his 
> waiting list is, but I'm sure he'll let you know. hero...@yahoo.com. He 
> is bilingual. You can write to him in English.  Good luck, Cheri
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 1:57 PM, Sean Andrade  
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I reached out to the registrar for Ponta Delgada for documents on my 
>> grand parents and they directed me to Ribeira Grand since my ancestors are 
>> from Rabo de Peixe. I have tried using the email they gave me which is 
>> registos.rgra...@dgrn.mj.pt but every time i send an email I get a 
>> bounce back saying the email is not deliverable. When I let Ponta Delgada 
>> know they assured me that it is the correct email. I have been trying to do 
>> this for the past few months now with no new updates/
>>
>> Does anyone know why these emails may be bouncing back? Is there anything 
>> else I can try aside from physically going there?
>>
>> Any help would be great.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Sean
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Ribeira Grande - Sao Miguel

[Sean Andrade]

Hi,

I reached out to the registrar for Ponta Delgada for documents on my grand 
parents and they directed me to Ribeira Grand since my ancestors are from 
Rabo de Peixe. I have tried using the email they gave me which is 
registos.rgra...@dgrn.mj.pt but every time i send an email I get a bounce 
back saying the email is not deliverable. When I let Ponta Delgada know 
they assured me that it is the correct email. I have been trying to do this 
for the past few months now with no new updates/

Does anyone know why these emails may be bouncing back? Is there anything 
else I can try aside from physically going there?

Any help would be great.

Thanks!
Sean

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] João Pereira Pinheiro

[Sean Andrade]

His wife did die there in 1912, but I have no idea where he died. According 
to her death record he was still alive. I have searched the records and 
asked the registrar in Horta if they have anything but they don't.

I've also tried using the arquivos website to search the other islands for 
his obit, but nothing outside of Horta shows up in my searches. So i wonder 
if I am doing the searches wrong.

I have no clue where he could have died, but that is what I would like to 
figure out.

On Friday, July 14, 2017 at 9:45:18 AM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> So you want your ancestor to be houses at the archives of Angra or Ponta 
> Delgada? I don't understand. You said he died in Praia do Norte. That 
> belongs to the archive of Horta. His wife's will is there in 1912.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 8:54 AM, Sean Andrade  > wrote:
>
>> I used the arquivos website and checked the obit's that came back but 
>> none of them were the right person.
>>
>> There doesn't seem to be too many records with people of this name so I'm 
>> not sure how else to look for him or if I am not using the search 
>> correctly. I found only three obits and they were all in Horta.
>>
>> Any other tips on what I could try to find his obit?
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 11:32:37 AM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>
>>> The back door web site is embedded in the URL: 
>>> http://www.arquivos.azores.gov.pt 
>>> <http://www.arquivos.azores.gov.pt/details?id=1000939&ht=Jo%C3%A3o%7CPereira%7CPinheiro%7Cinventario>
>>>
>>> Did you click on the link? The circled things refer to the Horta library 
>>> and arquive, do they not?
>>> [image: Inline image 1]
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira 
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 11:23 AM, Sean Andrade  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks! Is that for Horta?
>>>>
>>>> What is the website that you used for that?
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 11:14:57 AM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Possibly the fall of 1929. From that "back door" web site:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.arquivos.azores.gov.pt/details?id=1000939&ht=Jo%C3%A3o|Pereira|Pinheiro|inventario
>>>>>  
>>>>> <http://www.arquivos.azores.gov.pt/details?id=1000939&ht=Jo%C3%A3o%7CPereira%7CPinheiro%7Cinventario>
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheri Mello
>>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira 
>>>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 11:05 AM, Sean Andrade  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am having difficulty finding the death record for João Pereira 
>>>>>> Pinheiro. He was married to Francisca Emilia do Curacao de Jesus who 
>>>>>> died 
>>>>>> in Praia do Norte in 1912. I have her death record and it says he was 
>>>>>> still 
>>>>>> alive when she died. I reached out to the Registrar in Horta and they 
>>>>>> said 
>>>>>> they could not find any record on him.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He was born in Sao Mateus so I reached out to the registrar in 
>>>>>> Madalena but they said they wont look for anything without a year, and I 
>>>>>> can't give them one because I have no idea.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I looked up on NEPS/Uminho but there is no death date listed for him 
>>>>>> so I have no idea if maybe he was re married and not sure how I would 
>>>>>> even 
>>>>>> find that out since records wont be online. Plus he would have been 66 
>>>>>> at 
>>>>>> the time of his wife's death so not sure about the likely hood of that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any tips on how I could find this record?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>> Sean
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] João Pereira Pinheiro

[Sean Andrade]

I used the arquivos website and checked the obit's that came back but none 
of them were the right person.

There doesn't seem to be too many records with people of this name so I'm 
not sure how else to look for him or if I am not using the search 
correctly. I found only three obits and they were all in Horta.

Any other tips on what I could try to find his obit?

On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 11:32:37 AM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> The back door web site is embedded in the URL: 
> http://www.arquivos.azores.gov.pt 
> <http://www.arquivos.azores.gov.pt/details?id=1000939&ht=Jo%C3%A3o%7CPereira%7CPinheiro%7Cinventario>
>
> Did you click on the link? The circled things refer to the Horta library 
> and arquive, do they not?
> [image: Inline image 1]
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 11:23 AM, Sean Andrade  > wrote:
>
>> Thanks! Is that for Horta?
>>
>> What is the website that you used for that?
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 11:14:57 AM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>
>>> Possibly the fall of 1929. From that "back door" web site:
>>>
>>> http://www.arquivos.azores.gov.pt/details?id=1000939&ht=Jo%C3%A3o|Pereira|Pinheiro|inventario
>>>  
>>> <http://www.arquivos.azores.gov.pt/details?id=1000939&ht=Jo%C3%A3o%7CPereira%7CPinheiro%7Cinventario>
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira 
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 11:05 AM, Sean Andrade  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I am having difficulty finding the death record for João Pereira 
>>>> Pinheiro. He was married to Francisca Emilia do Curacao de Jesus who died 
>>>> in Praia do Norte in 1912. I have her death record and it says he was 
>>>> still 
>>>> alive when she died. I reached out to the Registrar in Horta and they said 
>>>> they could not find any record on him.
>>>>
>>>> He was born in Sao Mateus so I reached out to the registrar in Madalena 
>>>> but they said they wont look for anything without a year, and I can't give 
>>>> them one because I have no idea.
>>>>
>>>> I looked up on NEPS/Uminho but there is no death date listed for him so 
>>>> I have no idea if maybe he was re married and not sure how I would even 
>>>> find that out since records wont be online. Plus he would have been 66 at 
>>>> the time of his wife's death so not sure about the likely hood of that.
>>>>
>>>> Any tips on how I could find this record?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>> Sean
>>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] João Pereira Pinheiro

[Sean Andrade]

Thanks! Is that for Horta?

What is the website that you used for that?

On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 11:14:57 AM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Possibly the fall of 1929. From that "back door" web site:
>
> http://www.arquivos.azores.gov.pt/details?id=1000939&ht=Jo%C3%A3o|Pereira|Pinheiro|inventario
>  
> <http://www.arquivos.azores.gov.pt/details?id=1000939&ht=Jo%C3%A3o%7CPereira%7CPinheiro%7Cinventario>
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 11:05 AM, Sean Andrade  > wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am having difficulty finding the death record for João Pereira 
>> Pinheiro. He was married to Francisca Emilia do Curacao de Jesus who died 
>> in Praia do Norte in 1912. I have her death record and it says he was still 
>> alive when she died. I reached out to the Registrar in Horta and they said 
>> they could not find any record on him.
>>
>> He was born in Sao Mateus so I reached out to the registrar in Madalena 
>> but they said they wont look for anything without a year, and I can't give 
>> them one because I have no idea.
>>
>> I looked up on NEPS/Uminho but there is no death date listed for him so I 
>> have no idea if maybe he was re married and not sure how I would even find 
>> that out since records wont be online. Plus he would have been 66 at the 
>> time of his wife's death so not sure about the likely hood of that.
>>
>> Any tips on how I could find this record?
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Sean
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[AZORES-Genealogy] João Pereira Pinheiro

[Sean Andrade]

Hi,

I am having difficulty finding the death record for João Pereira Pinheiro. 
He was married to Francisca Emilia do Curacao de Jesus who died in Praia do 
Norte in 1912. I have her death record and it says he was still alive when 
she died. I reached out to the Registrar in Horta and they said they could 
not find any record on him.

He was born in Sao Mateus so I reached out to the registrar in Madalena but 
they said they wont look for anything without a year, and I can't give them 
one because I have no idea.

I looked up on NEPS/Uminho but there is no death date listed for him so I 
have no idea if maybe he was re married and not sure how I would even find 
that out since records wont be online. Plus he would have been 66 at the 
time of his wife's death so not sure about the likely hood of that.

Any tips on how I could find this record?

Thanks!
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Margin Writing

[Sean Andrade]

Yes

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>
> Florencia?
>
> Cheri Mello
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> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 5:19 PM, Sean Andrade  > wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Can anyone ready what it says in the margin on the left side next to 
>> Francisca? 
>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-CANDELARIA-B-1721-1733/PIC-MD-CANDELARIA-B-1721-1733_item1/P61.html
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Sean
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Margin Writing

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Hi,

Can anyone ready what it says in the margin on the left side next to 
Francisca? 
http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-CANDELARIA-B-1721-1733/PIC-MD-CANDELARIA-B-1721-1733_item1/P61.html

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage Record

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Thanks! I haven't seen the Captain title yet. Does that usually mean they 
were in the military or captain of a a ship outside of the military?

If it is the military are there records online to look anything up that 
will go that far back?

On Monday, June 12, 2017 at 7:29:09 PM UTC-7, Mara wrote:
>
> Firstly, the Bride's name is LuZia.
>
> Her Parents: Captain Gregorio Pereira da Silveira and of his wife Luzia 
> Silveira de Villa Lobos, deceased.
>
> On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 9:48 PM, Cheri Mello  > wrote:
>
>> The bride is Luiza Silveira de Bettencourt,daughter of Capt. Gregario 
>> Abbreviation de Silveira and his wife, Luzia Silveira de Cotta?? Not sure 
>> on the Cotta. Bride's mom deceased. Maybe someone else can get the rest.
>>
>> Cheri Mello
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>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 6:24 PM, Sean Andrade > > wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I need help with Luiza Silveira's parents in this marriage record on the 
>>> bottom right: 
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-C-1698-1748/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-C-1698-1748_item1/P63.html
>>>
>>> It looks like her mother is of the same name, but I can't translate the 
>>> father's name.
>>>
>>> Any help is greatly appreciated.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage Record

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Hi,

I need help with Luiza Silveira's parents in this marriage record on the 
bottom 
right: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-C-1698-1748/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-C-1698-1748_item1/P63.html

It looks like her mother is of the same name, but I can't translate the 
father's name.

Any help is greatly appreciated.

Thanks!
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Madalena Pico - Conservatória dos Registos Civil

[Sean Andrade]

Hi,

I have been contacting the registry in Madalena about two death records 
post 1911. The person I am in contact with said they can't send email 
copies of scanned records, but won't explain why. I find this strange 
because when I was in contact with Faial they had no problem sending me 
email copies of records post 1911. The only time they said they couldn't 
was if the record had yet to be digitized, but that they would send it over 
once it is.

I will not be traveling to Pico or the consulate at any point in the near 
future and want to know if there is another way to find a digitized record 
after 1911.

Any help is appreciated.

Thanks!
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sao Mateus Obit

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Thanks, I also saw it on CITCEM, but was hoping to find another name in the 
record.

On Tuesday, June 6, 2017 at 7:29:45 PM UTC-7, good...@aol.com wrote:
>
> You're welcome. 
>
>
>
> On Jun 6, 2017, at 7:00 PM, JR > wrote:
>
> Sorry Gayle and many thanks!
>
> JR
>
> On Tuesday, June 6, 2017 at 9:56:44 PM UTC-4, good...@aol.com wrote:
>>
>> JR,
>>
>> I think you're actually asking me not Linda. If not, excuse my intrusion. 
>>  The website is:
>> ghp.ics.uminho.pt
>>
>> Gayle
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 6:51 PM, JR  wrote:
>>
>> Linda, what is the site for Citcem?
>>
>> JR
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 6, 2017 at 9:45:14 PM UTC-4, good...@aol.com wrote:
>>>
>>> Another typo. Sorry. It's Rosaria. 
>>>
>>> I think I'll stop now before I make any more mistakes.  ☺️
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 6:38 PM, Gayle Machado  wrote:
>>>
>>> Sean,
>>>
>>> Manuel Matos Jorge O Barata, native of Sao Mateus, died 8 Sep 1747 at 62 
>>> yrs. more or less. 
>>>
>>> I don't see his wife listed, but it's very difficult reading the record 
>>> on the tiny screen of my phone. So, I went to CITCEM to verify the name and 
>>> date, especially since there seemed to be a word before Barata that I 
>>> couldn't get. The database confirmed what I had written. The database lists 
>>> the wife as Maria Rosario. Maybe this info will help a little. 
>>>
>>> Gayle
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 4:15 PM, Sean Andrade  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I am having a very difficult time with this obit for Manuel Matues 
>>> Jorge, the second on the right page: 
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-O-1733-1755/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-O-1733-1755_item1/P77.html
>>>
>>> It is very faded and I am not seeing any names for his wife or children.
>>>
>>> Is anyone able to read anything?
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Sao Mateus Obit

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Hi,

I am having a very difficult time with this obit for Manuel Matues Jorge, 
the second on the right page: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-O-1733-1755/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-O-1733-1755_item1/P77.html

It is very faded and I am not seeing any names for his wife or children.

Is anyone able to read anything?

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Unknown Parents

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Thanks everyone for the help and input!

I'm sure this is totally coincidental but I found this baptism for a Manuel 
a few days earlier that said he was baptized at home, but lists no god 
parents. I'm still not great at translating but I believe that is says he 
then died. It is on the bottom 
left: 
http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-CANDELARIA-B-1793-1812/PIC-MD-CANDELARIA-B-1793-1812_item1/P78.html

On Tuesday, May 23, 2017 at 10:50:55 AM UTC-7, Mara wrote:
>
> Sean, 
>
> Your question: 
> do you think the godparents were the original godparents from the baptism 
> mentioned on the note? 
>
> No, they were not. If they were, the attending Priest would not have 
> baptised the child again. Why? because they would be confirmed witnesses to 
> the first baptism and as a result this record would not have been issued. 
>
> Who were they? Could be regular Church attending parishioners or they 
> could make part of the family who will be nursing the baby.
>
> Home baptisms usually did not have Godparents.  One person with some 
> Christening knowledge would perform it but in the majority of the cases 
> they were done by the midwife.  In such cases the Godparent would be named 
> by the Priest when performing the anointment ceremony in the Church.
>
> If you are certain this is your Manuel and want to follow up on the 
> Godparents you will have to search through baptism and marriage records to 
> observe a) if any of them are nursing abandoned babies. But this may prove 
> to be fruitless, for children were given to nursemaids in other villages to 
> be raised as well.  
>
> If you collect all the baptism records for Manuel Jose de Araujo and his 
> wife, you will learn more about him this way.
>
> In my research I have come across Expostos, marrying into the family that 
> brought them up or helped him along the way.  
>
> Unfortunately, unless a parent claims the child, there's no way of going 
> further back.
>
>   
>
> On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 12:45 PM, Sean Andrade  > wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the information. My next question is do you think the 
>> godparents were the original godparents from the baptism mentioned on the 
>> note? Which means perhaps there is another baptism record. Or do you think 
>> those god parents are from the second baptism and who would those people be 
>> in relation to Manuel? Just random people picked by the church?
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 23, 2017 at 9:10:15 AM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>
>>> Maybe, maybe not. The baby could have been baptized at home. The record 
>>> did not specify if it was a church baptism or one done at home. And if it 
>>> was a church baptism, it will most likely say pais incognitos. The marriage 
>>> and death records both say pais incognitos.
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
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>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 7:56 AM, 'Jeremy G. B-C' via Azores Genealogy <
>>> azo...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> That may be one of the coolest records I have ever seen! Now you gotta 
>>>> try to look for the first baptism since it mentions that!
>>>> Good luck!
>>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Unknown Parents

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Thanks for the information. My next question is do you think the godparents 
were the original godparents from the baptism mentioned on the note? Which 
means perhaps there is another baptism record. Or do you think those god 
parents are from the second baptism and who would those people be in 
relation to Manuel? Just random people picked by the church?

On Tuesday, May 23, 2017 at 9:10:15 AM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Maybe, maybe not. The baby could have been baptized at home. The record 
> did not specify if it was a church baptism or one done at home. And if it 
> was a church baptism, it will most likely say pais incognitos. The marriage 
> and death records both say pais incognitos.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 7:56 AM, 'Jeremy G. B-C' via Azores Genealogy <
> azo...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> That may be one of the coolest records I have ever seen! Now you gotta 
>> try to look for the first baptism since it mentions that!
>> Good luck!
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Unknown Parents

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Thank you you the information!

Cheri, I read through John's postings and found it very helpful, I even 
noticed Exposto in his obit.

Gayle, I took your advice and searched for his birth record. I believe I 
may have found it:

Top 
Left: 
http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-CANDELARIA-B-1793-1812/PIC-MD-CANDELARIA-B-1793-1812_item1/P80.html

I believe it says he was left at the house of Jose da Silva?

I am having a difficult time trying to read what it says and I can't 
understand most of it. I see there are quite a few names but I can't figure 
out their relationships with everyone else

On Monday, May 22, 2017 at 8:00:50 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> People can abandon their baby today. In my county and state, a baby can be 
> left at a hospital or fire station, no questions asked. Back then, in the 
> Azores, they left the baby at the church. Sometimes, they left the baby at 
> someone's door step, but a lot of the time, it was the church.
>
> The reason is probably the same then as it is now. The mother was unwed. 
> She cannot provide for the child (she's too young, she has no means to 
> support the baby) or perhaps her parents made her give the baby up. 
>
> If your ancestor's parents came forward it would be noted in his baptism 
> margin or in a book of legitimizations. If it's not there, then his parents 
> never claimed him. The city paid a family to raise him for 7 years. At that 
> point, he could chose to remain with the family or make his own way. Many 
> of these children did not live. 
>
> John Raposo wrote about this a few months ago. You can find his post here 
> https://goo.gl/OyLyJT or you can search the forum/web board archive for 
> "exposto roda" (without the quotes) and you will find a lot about this 
> subject.
>
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> Listowner, Azores-Gen
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> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Unknown Parents

[Sean Andrade]

Hi,

Here are the marriage and obit records of Manuel Jose de Araujo:

Marriage Top 
Right: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-C-1795-1846/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-C-1795-1846_item1/P106.html

Obit Bottom 
Left: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-O-1859-1875/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-O-1859-1875_item1/P33.html

Both records state that his parents are unknown but don't seem to mention 
anyone that may have raised him.

His birth record says that he is from Sao Matues but was baptized in 
Candelaira but not much more information, or at least that i can translate.

In a situation like this, is there a way to find records of an orphan or 
possible relatives that may have raised him?

Any insight in why both parents are unknown including the mom? I have a few 
ideas in my head but would like to know if someone has come across this 
prior and what ideas they may have.

Thanks!
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Death Record

[Sean Andrade]

Hi,

Here is a death record for Francisco Dutra Andrade starting on the middle 
right: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CAPELO-O-1818-1833/FAL-HT-CAPELO-O-1818-1833_item1/P14.html

I do not see his wife's name but I think his son's name is towards the 
bottom of the record. I'm just not sure what it says after Francisco Dutra 
Mancebo. I also see the name Rosa Maria but can't tell if it states that 
Rosa is the son's wife.

Any help with this record is greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Same Birth Records Candelaria

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Thanks!

On Thursday, May 18, 2017 at 5:37:31 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Maternal grandmother: Rosa Luciana
>
> The line in the binding you're not going to get.
>
> ...Norte, council of Horta, island of Faial, on the 12 Dec 1951.Register 
> number 226, page (?) 114 of the book of the register of deaths of the 
> Conservatory of the Civil Registry of Horta, something of the current 1951.
>
> So if you go to the map of Faial on the Azores GenWeb, you can figure out 
> the freguesia where he died: https://goo.gl/QQiOAc
>
> The last 3 or 4 lines of each baptism are the same. It says that the 
> record was drawn up in duplicate. One book was to remain at the church and 
> the other was to go to the Diocese. I believe the Diocese was to send them 
> on to the Vatican. I do not know that for certain. So yes, you are seeing a 
> duplicate book.
>
> Cheri
>
> Cheri Mello
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> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 5:15 PM, Sean Andrade  > wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am searching through Candelaria on Pico and notices that for the years 
>> 1876-1888 they had two different records. Does anyone know why this was 
>> done?
>>
>> Here are the birth records for Antonio:
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-CANDELARIA-B-1876-1899/PIC-MD-CANDELARIA-B-1876-1899_item1/P30.html
>>
>> In that record he is the very bottom right, number 22.
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-CANDELARIA-B-1876-1888/PIC-MD-CANDELARIA-B-1876-1888_item1/P39.html
>>
>> In that record he is also bottom right, number 22.
>>
>> It looks like someone rewrote the records perhaps?
>>
>> On the second page can anyone make out what it says in the margin?
>>
>> Can anyone also make out his maternal grandmothers name?
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Sean
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Same Birth Records Candelaria

[Sean Andrade]

Hi,

I am searching through Candelaria on Pico and notices that for the years 
1876-1888 they had two different records. Does anyone know why this was 
done?

Here are the birth records for Antonio:

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-CANDELARIA-B-1876-1899/PIC-MD-CANDELARIA-B-1876-1899_item1/P30.html

In that record he is the very bottom right, number 22.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-CANDELARIA-B-1876-1888/PIC-MD-CANDELARIA-B-1876-1888_item1/P39.html

In that record he is also bottom right, number 22.

It looks like someone rewrote the records perhaps?

On the second page can anyone make out what it says in the margin?

Can anyone also make out his maternal grandmothers name?

Thanks!
Sean

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Birth Record Help

[Sean Andrade]

Thanks for the help everyone. I appreciate it!

On Saturday, April 1, 2017 at 5:45:06 AM UTC-7, Richard Francis Pimentel 
wrote:
>
> *Solteira is single, so the record reads Maria daughter of Catarina 
> Ignacia single daughter of Anna Dutra widow and Antonio  dies? Alveres 
> deceased. There is no mention of the father.*
>
>  
>
> *Rick*
>
>  
>
> *From:* azo...@googlegroups.com  [mailto:
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> *Sent:* Saturday, April 1, 2017 12:09 AM
> *To:* Azores Genealogy
> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Birth Record Help
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>  
>
> Hi,
>
>  
>
> I need help with the birth record: 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1760-1791/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1760-1791_item1/P237.html
>
>  
>
> It is for Maria on the left page in the middle. Her mother is Catarina 
> Ignacia. After it lists her mothers name there is a word I don't recognize 
> and then a couple of other names who I assume are the grand parents.
>
>  
>
> The word looks like Solteira. Does anyone knows what this means and why it 
> is placed there?
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Birth Record Help

[Sean Andrade]

Hi,

I need help with the birth 
record: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1760-1791/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1760-1791_item1/P237.html

It is for Maria on the left page in the middle. Her mother is Catarina 
Ignacia. After it lists her mothers name there is a word I don't recognize 
and then a couple of other names who I assume are the grand parents.

The word looks like Solteira. Does anyone knows what this means and why it 
is placed there?


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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Francisco Garcia Andrade

[Sean Andrade]

Hi Olivia,

How far back are you with that family line? I have a family line from Praia 
do Norte that are Andrade's and I'm curious if we have a common ancestor.

On Thursday, March 30, 2017 at 7:19:42 AM UTC-7, Olivia wrote:
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> Born in Praia do Norte , Fayal in 1873. He married Maria Filomena Cabral 
> in Providence RI on April 18, 1900. I found his passport application from 
> 1896 that stated he was coming to NY but have found nothing after that. His 
> children were born in Cranston RI but they are not listed on any census. He 
> returned to Faysl with his family in 1908-1909. But again can't find any 
> paper trail. 

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Cedros Obit

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Hi,

Having issues with the obit on the very top on the right 
side: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CEDROS-O-1742-1808/FAL-HT-CEDROS-O-1742-1808_item1/P120.html

I believe it is for Catarina Esp Santo, but I can not decipher the husbands 
name. She would be a widow at this time and I think i see that word for 
widow after her name, but then as I keep reading I believe it says she was 
married to but I can't tell what names are there.

Thanks!

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Francisco Silveira Matos

[Sean Andrade]

Hi,

I am having difficulty finding any records for a Francisco Silveira Matos.

He is the father of a son with the same name. I have found his sons records 
and he is listed as the father on the baptism and marriage records (I can 
post the link if necessary). His son died in 1921 in Praia do Norte so I 
reached out to the registrar and was given his death record. Every name on 
the sons death record matches except for his Father. They list the father 
as Jose Silveira Matos.

Jose Silveira Matos is the name of Francisco's father which I know because 
in his sons birth record it lists his grandparents names.

I have also found his wife's death record and it lists his name as already 
being deceased.

Uminho says that Francisco was born in 1808 in Capelo, but I have not found 
any such record and I believe the record they have listed for that date is 
for another person.

I have not found a single record for him and I have searched several 
different towns on Faial and searched through several years.

This has really been bothering me and I would like to know if anyone has 
any advice or if I should just drop it and move on.

Regards,
Sean

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Crossed out Name

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Thanks for the help!

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> Sean,
>
>  I see Mathias do Couto/Souto.  Look at the padrinho: Mathias do 
> Couto/Souto and the line below that.  Again, Mathias do (the "o" before 
> Couto/Souto is clear).  Do Souto does not make sense to me just because I 
> have not seen that name before.  Others may have. The Preist may have
> made a mistake and wrote the padrinho's name.
>
> On Sun, Jul 31, 2016 at 4:35 PM, Sean Andrade  > wrote:
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>> Hi,
>>
>> For the Second baptism on the right page for Antonio: 
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1706-1760/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1706-1760_item1/P83.html
>>
>> They say he is the son of someone and then cross out the name and write 
>> Jose Garcia de Serpa above. Is this something that is common? Could it have 
>> been done years later by someone else? I also can't read the name that was 
>> crossed out.
>>
>> The handwriting to me for the name does not look similar to the rest of 
>> the entries by the priest. I haven't come across this yet so I am very 
>> confused.
>>
>> My ancestor named Antonio has the father of the name Jose Garcia de 
>> Serpa, but I am curious if this is the correct one. According to uminho it 
>> is, but I have come across several issues on uminho with my ancestors. Plus 
>> the entries this far back in Capelo are hard to read and a lot of them are 
>> damaged so I haven't been able to find anything else that would contradict 
>> it.
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Crossed out Name

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Hi,

For the Second baptism on the right page for 
Antonio: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1706-1760/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1706-1760_item1/P83.html

They say he is the son of someone and then cross out the name and write 
Jose Garcia de Serpa above. Is this something that is common? Could it have 
been done years later by someone else? I also can't read the name that was 
crossed out.

The handwriting to me for the name does not look similar to the rest of the 
entries by the priest. I haven't come across this yet so I am very confused.

My ancestor named Antonio has the father of the name Jose Garcia de Serpa, 
but I am curious if this is the correct one. According to uminho it is, but 
I have come across several issues on uminho with my ancestors. Plus the 
entries this far back in Capelo are hard to read and a lot of them are 
damaged so I haven't been able to find anything else that would contradict 
it.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Capelo Obit

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Yes, third one down

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Capelo Obit

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Hi,

I need help with names for this obit for Maria on the bottom 
right: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CAPELO-O-1792-1836/FAL-HT-CAPELO-O-1792-1836_item1/P25.html

I can't tell if it is Maria Garcia or Maria Goularte

And I cant make out the Second name for her husband Antonio __ Serpa

Thanks!

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] End of line

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Thanks! No family from San roque that I have discovered as of yet, most of my 
family is from faial though with a couple of branches stemming from pico 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] End of line

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Thanks! Are the books only in portuguese? Where can I buy them?

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[AZORES-Genealogy] End of line

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Hi,

I have reached the end of the line for CCA on a branch of my family that 
descends from Pico. Is there any way to retrieve information on a certain 
place prior to the records that have been recorded on the CCA site?

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Praia do Norte, Faial, Andrade

[Sean Andrade]

Hi Howard,

Sorry for the late reply, I haven't been on here for a while. I do have a 
good amount of ancestors from Pico, but haven't found any Andrades from 
there yet. All of the Andrades I am descended from are from Faial.

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> Sean 
> I've been helping a friend find her fathers( Andrade) relatives/ascestors 
> and heir descendants on Pico. 
> In particular Madalena, Bandieras and Sao Rogue. 
> We my possibly be looking for the same people. 
> if your interested give me reply. 
> Thanks, 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Capelo Obit

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Hi,

Here is an obit on the bottom left for Brizida 
Francisca: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CAPELO-O-1818-1833/FAL-HT-CAPELO-O-1818-1833_item1/P15.html

I can understand the year and what age they think she was. I also see the 
names Joao Silveira Dutra, which I have as her husband, and Antonio 
Silveira Pexioto, which I had as her son in law.

Does this record state that Joao is her husband?

I can not translate much about this record and it's a pretty long one. Any 
information is helpful.

Thanks!


On Sunday, May 22, 2016 at 2:42:43 PM UTC-7, Sean Andrade wrote:
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> Ahh got it. Thanks!
>
> On Sunday, May 22, 2016 at 2:40:04 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
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>> Sean, the 2nd "name" is really exposto. The priest capitalized it, making 
>> you think it was a name. Exposto is orphan.
>> Maria, orphan, at the house of Francisco Silveira de Matos and his wife, 
>> Maria Clara. She was 14 months old.
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
>> Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Capelo Obit

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Ahh got it. Thanks!

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> Sean, the 2nd "name" is really exposto. The priest capitalized it, making 
> you think it was a name. Exposto is orphan.
> Maria, orphan, at the house of Francisco Silveira de Matos and his wife, 
> Maria Clara. She was 14 months old.
>
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> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
> Tainhas, Achada
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Capelo Obit

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Hi,

I came across this Obit in Capelo for Maria (don't know her second name) on 
the top 
left: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CAPELO-O-1792-1836/FAL-HT-CAPELO-O-1792-1836_item1/P66.html

It looks like it says she is married to Francisco Silviera da Mattos who is 
married to Maria Clara.

Am I reading that wrong? 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] obit record

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Thanks! Good to know they were dead prior to this marriage. That was the 
word I couldn't translate or make out.

Does it say that they are from Sao Matteus?

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> In this case I think it does give the bride's parents' names.  Beginning 
> midway on line 7 I see "Agueda Barboza viuva de Fran.o V.ra Gl.te, f.a de 
> João de Medina e Miranda e sua m.er Izabel Homem, defuntos." which I 
> translate as:
>
> Agueda Barboza, widow of Francisco Viera Goularte, daughter of João Medina 
> e Miranda and his wife Izabel Homem, both deceased.
>
> Bill Seidler
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] obit record

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This is the second marriage for Aguenda 
Barbosa: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-C-1698-1748/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-C-1698-1748_item1/P40.html

I am trying to make out her parents name. I searched through NEPS but 
couldn't find information through her name for her parents.

Her dad looks like Joao da Medina da Miranda? and mom is Isabel Homem da ???

I think it says they are from Sao Matteus but I don't know if I am 
translating it correctly.

I have searched through obits for Sao Matteus but haven't found any names 
like theirs so I am wondering if maybe they are from somewhere else.

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> You're welcome. 
>
>
>
> On May 21, 2016, at 4:49 PM, Sean Andrade  > wrote:
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> Thanks! I can see it now and see she got remarried as well. I also found 
> her marriage record with Manual stating that she is the widow of my 
> ancestor.
>
> Thanks again!
>
> On Saturday, May 21, 2016 at 4:27:02 PM UTC-7, good...@aol.com wrote:
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>> Sean,
>>
>> Just checked CITCEM which gives date as the 21st of Nov. it confirms 
>> husband's name with what I thought I read. 
>>
>> Gayle
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 21, 2016, at 4:04 PM, Sean Andrade  wrote:
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>> Hi,
>>
>> I need help with this death record for Aguenda Barbosa on the top right: 
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-O-1733-1755/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-O-1733-1755_item1/P27.html
>>
>> It doesn't look like they list the husbands name, which is not the first 
>> time I have come across this with the obits in Sao Matues. Unless someone 
>> can see something different.
>>
>> The record is very faded.
>>
>> Can anyone see the year. I think it is 1737 but I would like confirmation.
>>
>> Does it also mention how old she may have been?
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] obit record

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Thanks! I can see it now and see she got remarried as well. I also found 
her marriage record with Manual stating that she is the widow of my 
ancestor.

Thanks again!

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>
> Just checked CITCEM which gives date as the 21st of Nov. it confirms 
> husband's name with what I thought I read. 
>
> Gayle
>
>
>
> On May 21, 2016, at 4:04 PM, Sean Andrade  > wrote:
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> Hi,
>
> I need help with this death record for Aguenda Barbosa on the top right: 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-O-1733-1755/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-O-1733-1755_item1/P27.html
>
> It doesn't look like they list the husbands name, which is not the first 
> time I have come across this with the obits in Sao Matues. Unless someone 
> can see something different.
>
> The record is very faded.
>
> Can anyone see the year. I think it is 1737 but I would like confirmation.
>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] obit record

[Sean Andrade]

Hi,

I need help with this death record for Aguenda Barbosa on the top 
right: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-O-1733-1755/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-O-1733-1755_item1/P27.html

It doesn't look like they list the husbands name, which is not the first 
time I have come across this with the obits in Sao Matues. Unless someone 
can see something different.

The record is very faded.

Can anyone see the year. I think it is 1737 but I would like confirmation.

Does it also mention how old she may have been?

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pico Birth Record

[Sean Andrade]

Thank you. That is helpful. Cateno Silviera is my ancestor married to his 
daughter.

On Wednesday, May 18, 2016 at 8:03:38 PM UTC-7, Mara wrote:
>
> The record does not name his wife, however, if you look at the bottom, t 
> references his sons to whom he left his inheritance with the executor of 
> the will being his son in law Caetano Silveira.
>
> On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 10:50 PM, Sean Andrade  > wrote:
>
>> I did find the obit for his wife which is on the top right for Caterina: 
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-O-1733-1755/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-O-1733-1755_item1/P111.html
>>
>> She died a couple of years after him and NEPS said this would be his obit 
>> which I listed in my other post. I was hoping his wife would be in the obit 
>> so I coould confirm it was the correct one.
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 18, 2016 at 7:40:37 PM UTC-7, good...@aol.com wrote:
>>>
>>> Sean,
>>>
>>> It says he was a native of Lages and a resident of Sao Mateus. 
>>>
>>> Try looking up his wife's death record. It may list him which would make 
>>> the connection between them. It was probably just an oversight on the part 
>>> of the priest to forget to list his wife.
>>>
>>> Gayle
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On May 18, 2016, at 6:05 PM, Sean Andrade  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Here is a death record for Matues Machado on the bottom left: 
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-O-1733-1755/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-O-1733-1755_item1/P99.html
>>>
>>> I can't make out his wife's name or even see if it is listed. I am 
>>> having trouble making out anything really since it is pretty faded. It 
>>> looks like it lists his parish but not his wife.
>>>
>>> Any help is greatly appreciated.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 10:27:14 AM UTC-7, Sean Andrade wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, May 16, 2016 at 10:16:33 PM UTC-7, good...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Sean,
>>>>>
>>>>> I descend through her brother Mateus. 
>>>>>
>>>>> I show Antonia Jesus born 25 June 1722, baptized on the 28th. She 
>>>>> married Francisco Vieira Goulart on 22 Feb 1740. He was born 23 Jan 1707 
>>>>> and died 15 Sep 1772. Antonia died 25 May 1806. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Antonia's parents were Mateus Machado Ferreira and Catarina Candeias 
>>>>> both of Lages. They were married 15 May 1701 in Sao Mateus. Mateus (died 
>>>>> 5 
>>>>> Jan 1751) was the son of Manuel Machado and Maria Ferreira. Catarina 
>>>>> (died 
>>>>> 10 Oct 1753) was the daughter of Francisco Lopes Fonseca and Apolonia 
>>>>> Candeias. Francisco died 21May 1718 in Sao Mateus. Apolonia died 1 Feb 
>>>>> 1718 
>>>>> also in Sao Mateus. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Hope that helps. Let me know if you find anything more. Or, different. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Gayle
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 16, 2016, at 9:17 PM, Sean Andrade  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Gayle,
>>>>>
>>>>> Are you a descendant of Antonia's?
>>>>>
>>>>> Any info you have on this family would be great.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, May 16, 2016 at 9:02:42 PM UTC-7, good...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sean,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is Catarina Candeis. 
>>>>>> If you need more info on this family, I have Antonia's grandparents 
>>>>>> along with her marriage and death. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gayle
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On May 16, 2016, at 5:21 PM, Sean Andrade  
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here is a birth record for an Antonia on the top left: 
>>>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-B-1703-1748/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-B-1703-1748_item1/P132.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can anyone see which parish they are from?
>>>>&g

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pico Birth Record

[Sean Andrade]

I did find the obit for his wife which is on the top right for 
Caterina: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-O-1733-1755/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-O-1733-1755_item1/P111.html

She died a couple of years after him and NEPS said this would be his obit 
which I listed in my other post. I was hoping his wife would be in the obit 
so I coould confirm it was the correct one.

On Wednesday, May 18, 2016 at 7:40:37 PM UTC-7, good...@aol.com wrote:
>
> Sean,
>
> It says he was a native of Lages and a resident of Sao Mateus. 
>
> Try looking up his wife's death record. It may list him which would make 
> the connection between them. It was probably just an oversight on the part 
> of the priest to forget to list his wife.
>
> Gayle
>
>
>
> On May 18, 2016, at 6:05 PM, Sean Andrade  > wrote:
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Here is a death record for Matues Machado on the bottom left: 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-O-1733-1755/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-O-1733-1755_item1/P99.html
>
> I can't make out his wife's name or even see if it is listed. I am having 
> trouble making out anything really since it is pretty faded. It looks like 
> it lists his parish but not his wife.
>
> Any help is greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 10:27:14 AM UTC-7, Sean Andrade wrote:
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> On Monday, May 16, 2016 at 10:16:33 PM UTC-7, good...@aol.com wrote:
>>>
>>> Sean,
>>>
>>> I descend through her brother Mateus. 
>>>
>>> I show Antonia Jesus born 25 June 1722, baptized on the 28th. She 
>>> married Francisco Vieira Goulart on 22 Feb 1740. He was born 23 Jan 1707 
>>> and died 15 Sep 1772. Antonia died 25 May 1806. 
>>>
>>> Antonia's parents were Mateus Machado Ferreira and Catarina Candeias 
>>> both of Lages. They were married 15 May 1701 in Sao Mateus. Mateus (died 5 
>>> Jan 1751) was the son of Manuel Machado and Maria Ferreira. Catarina (died 
>>> 10 Oct 1753) was the daughter of Francisco Lopes Fonseca and Apolonia 
>>> Candeias. Francisco died 21May 1718 in Sao Mateus. Apolonia died 1 Feb 1718 
>>> also in Sao Mateus. 
>>>
>>> Hope that helps. Let me know if you find anything more. Or, different. 
>>>
>>> Gayle
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On May 16, 2016, at 9:17 PM, Sean Andrade  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Gayle,
>>>
>>> Are you a descendant of Antonia's?
>>>
>>> Any info you have on this family would be great.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> On Monday, May 16, 2016 at 9:02:42 PM UTC-7, good...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Sean,
>>>>
>>>> It is Catarina Candeis. 
>>>> If you need more info on this family, I have Antonia's grandparents 
>>>> along with her marriage and death. 
>>>>
>>>> Gayle
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On May 16, 2016, at 5:21 PM, Sean Andrade  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Here is a birth record for an Antonia on the top left: 
>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-B-1703-1748/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-B-1703-1748_item1/P132.html
>>>>
>>>> Can anyone see which parish they are from?
>>>>
>>>> I am also having difficulty with the mothers name if anyone can 
>>>> decipher.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pico Birth Record

[Sean Andrade]

Hi,

Here is a death record for Matues Machado on the bottom 
left: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-O-1733-1755/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-O-1733-1755_item1/P99.html

I can't make out his wife's name or even see if it is listed. I am having 
trouble making out anything really since it is pretty faded. It looks like 
it lists his parish but not his wife.

Any help is greatly appreciated.

Thanks!



On Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 10:27:14 AM UTC-7, Sean Andrade wrote:
>
> Thanks!
>
> On Monday, May 16, 2016 at 10:16:33 PM UTC-7, good...@aol.com wrote:
>>
>> Sean,
>>
>> I descend through her brother Mateus. 
>>
>> I show Antonia Jesus born 25 June 1722, baptized on the 28th. She married 
>> Francisco Vieira Goulart on 22 Feb 1740. He was born 23 Jan 1707 and died 
>> 15 Sep 1772. Antonia died 25 May 1806. 
>>
>> Antonia's parents were Mateus Machado Ferreira and Catarina Candeias both 
>> of Lages. They were married 15 May 1701 in Sao Mateus. Mateus (died 5 Jan 
>> 1751) was the son of Manuel Machado and Maria Ferreira. Catarina (died 10 
>> Oct 1753) was the daughter of Francisco Lopes Fonseca and Apolonia 
>> Candeias. Francisco died 21May 1718 in Sao Mateus. Apolonia died 1 Feb 1718 
>> also in Sao Mateus. 
>>
>> Hope that helps. Let me know if you find anything more. Or, different. 
>>
>> Gayle
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 16, 2016, at 9:17 PM, Sean Andrade  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Gayle,
>>
>> Are you a descendant of Antonia's?
>>
>> Any info you have on this family would be great.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> On Monday, May 16, 2016 at 9:02:42 PM UTC-7, good...@aol.com wrote:
>>>
>>> Sean,
>>>
>>> It is Catarina Candeis. 
>>> If you need more info on this family, I have Antonia's grandparents 
>>> along with her marriage and death. 
>>>
>>> Gayle
>>>
>>>
>>> On May 16, 2016, at 5:21 PM, Sean Andrade  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Here is a birth record for an Antonia on the top left: 
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-B-1703-1748/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-B-1703-1748_item1/P132.html
>>>
>>> Can anyone see which parish they are from?
>>>
>>> I am also having difficulty with the mothers name if anyone can decipher.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Francisco de Andrade (Ilha Santa Maria) mother's maiden name

[Sean Andrade]

Hi Paul,

Do any of your Andrade ancestors end up on Faial?

On Wednesday, May 18, 2016 at 6:41:18 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
>
> Could someone please let me know the mother's maiden names are the same in 
> the following records. They are my 6th g grandfather's Francisco de Andrade 
> marriage and baptism records.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-C-1735-1755/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-C-1735-1755_item1/P134.html
>  
> (right side)
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-B-1733-1743/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-B-1733-1743_item1/P26.html
>  
> (top left)
>
> I see his father Manoel de Andrade and mother's given name as Marianna. I 
> am not 100% sure the baptism record is his since his children's baptism 
> records show him being from Santa Barbara, but I have not found a baptism 
> record for him in Santa Barbara.
>
> Thanks,
> Paul G.
>
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pico Birth Record

[Sean Andrade]

Thanks!

On Monday, May 16, 2016 at 10:16:33 PM UTC-7, good...@aol.com wrote:
>
> Sean,
>
> I descend through her brother Mateus. 
>
> I show Antonia Jesus born 25 June 1722, baptized on the 28th. She married 
> Francisco Vieira Goulart on 22 Feb 1740. He was born 23 Jan 1707 and died 
> 15 Sep 1772. Antonia died 25 May 1806. 
>
> Antonia's parents were Mateus Machado Ferreira and Catarina Candeias both 
> of Lages. They were married 15 May 1701 in Sao Mateus. Mateus (died 5 Jan 
> 1751) was the son of Manuel Machado and Maria Ferreira. Catarina (died 10 
> Oct 1753) was the daughter of Francisco Lopes Fonseca and Apolonia 
> Candeias. Francisco died 21May 1718 in Sao Mateus. Apolonia died 1 Feb 1718 
> also in Sao Mateus. 
>
> Hope that helps. Let me know if you find anything more. Or, different. 
>
> Gayle
>
>
>
> On May 16, 2016, at 9:17 PM, Sean Andrade  > wrote:
>
> Hi Gayle,
>
> Are you a descendant of Antonia's?
>
> Any info you have on this family would be great.
>
> Thanks!
>
> On Monday, May 16, 2016 at 9:02:42 PM UTC-7, good...@aol.com wrote:
>>
>> Sean,
>>
>> It is Catarina Candeis. 
>> If you need more info on this family, I have Antonia's grandparents along 
>> with her marriage and death. 
>>
>> Gayle
>>
>>
>> On May 16, 2016, at 5:21 PM, Sean Andrade  wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Here is a birth record for an Antonia on the top left: 
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-B-1703-1748/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-B-1703-1748_item1/P132.html
>>
>> Can anyone see which parish they are from?
>>
>> I am also having difficulty with the mothers name if anyone can decipher.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pico Birth Record

[Sean Andrade]

Hi Gayle,

Are you a descendant of Antonia's?

Any info you have on this family would be great.

Thanks!

On Monday, May 16, 2016 at 9:02:42 PM UTC-7, good...@aol.com wrote:
>
> Sean,
>
> It is Catarina Candeis. 
> If you need more info on this family, I have Antonia's grandparents along 
> with her marriage and death. 
>
> Gayle
>
>
> On May 16, 2016, at 5:21 PM, Sean Andrade  > wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Here is a birth record for an Antonia on the top left: 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-B-1703-1748/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-B-1703-1748_item1/P132.html
>
> Can anyone see which parish they are from?
>
> I am also having difficulty with the mothers name if anyone can decipher.
>
> Thanks!
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pico Birth Record

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So their records would still be under Sao Mateus?

On Monday, May 16, 2016 at 6:55:13 PM UTC-7, JR wrote:
>
> It is most likely Catarina das Candeias. As Cheri said, they are natives 
> of Santissima Trindade, which is fraguesia within the freguesia of Sao 
> Matheus. So it is probably subordinate church of the said freguesia.
>
> JR
>
> On Monday, May 16, 2016 at 9:14:15 PM UTC-4, rcapodc wrote:
>>
>> Catarina das Candios/dias?? 
>>
>>
>> Rosemarie 
>> rcap...@gmail.com
>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>
>> On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 5:21 PM, Sean Andrade  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Here is a birth record for an Antonia on the top left: 
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-B-1703-1748/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-B-1703-1748_item1/P132.html
>>>
>>> Can anyone see which parish they are from?
>>>
>>> I am also having difficulty with the mothers name if anyone can decipher.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Pico Birth Record

[Sean Andrade]

Hi,

Here is a birth record for an Antonia on the top 
left: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-B-1703-1748/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-B-1703-1748_item1/P132.html

Can anyone see which parish they are from?

I am also having difficulty with the mothers name if anyone can decipher.

Thanks!

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Capelo Obits

[Sean Andrade]

Hi Joanna,

Keep me up to date! I have only done a little work on one tiny branch of my 
tree, but I have a lot of Ancestors on this side of the family from Faial 
(mainly capelo) and Pico.

On Sunday, May 15, 2016 at 8:04:38 PM UTC-7, Joanne Tuscany wrote:
>
> Sean, l have never replied to any searches but I have been reading yours 
> and feel like we connect somewhere in our lines. My direct line is through 
> Francisco Correia an Felicia Rosa at Hortia, Faial. I have also noticed 
> other names that I also share with you.
>
> I haven't been working on this  line at this time since I have been quite 
> busy with other things. I would enjoy corresponding and working on my line 
> here and there. After June I should have more time. ..Joanne 
> On May 15, 2016 11:23 AM, "Sean Andrade"  > wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Here is an obit for Theresa Rosa 2nd on the left: 
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CAPELO-O-1792-1836/FAL-HT-CAPELO-O-1792-1836_item1/P22.html
>>
>> I am having difficulty seeing if she is still married or windowed. Can 
>> anyone tell?
>>
>> I also have a lot of ancestors from Capelo and recently noticed something 
>> about their obits page. They have records from 1792-1836 and then another 
>> book from 1818-1833. I want to post the direct webpage to show it here but 
>> I can't. I can only post this: 
>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/ig/registos/default.aspx
>>
>> If you go to obits for Capelo in Faial you will notice.
>>
>> Has anyone searched through Capelo records and know why this is the case? 
>> This was not something I had noticed a few months ago, but just noticed the 
>> other day.
>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Capelo Obits

[Sean Andrade]

Thanks you, it is! I believe obits for Capelo are missing between the years 
1807 - 1818 so I don't know if I will find her husbands obit as I have 
searched the other records with no success.

On Sunday, May 15, 2016 at 1:05:07 PM UTC-7, linda wrote:
>
> Hi Sean,
>
> I see the record as saying: "Thereza Roza m.er q' era de M.el Dutra de 
> And.re...", and the way I read that is "Thereza Roza late wife of  Manuel 
> Dutra de [Andrade?].  My interpretation is that Manuel is still living 
> [mulher que era de = wife that was of], but I'm not a native speaker.
>
> hope that's helpful,
>
> Linda
>
> On Sunday, May 15, 2016 at 11:23:30 AM UTC-7, Sean Andrade wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Here is an obit for Theresa Rosa 2nd on the left: 
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CAPELO-O-1792-1836/FAL-HT-CAPELO-O-1792-1836_item1/P22.html
>>
>> I am having difficulty seeing if she is still married or windowed. Can 
>> anyone tell?
>>
>> I also have a lot of ancestors from Capelo and recently noticed something 
>> about their obits page. They have records from 1792-1836 and then another 
>> book from 1818-1833. I want to post the direct webpage to show it here but 
>> I can't. I can only post this: 
>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/ig/registos/default.aspx
>>
>> If you go to obits for Capelo in Faial you will notice.
>>
>> Has anyone searched through Capelo records and know why this is the case? 
>> This was not something I had noticed a few months ago, but just noticed the 
>> other day.
>>
>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Capelo Obits

[Sean Andrade]

Hi,

Here is an obit for Theresa Rosa 2nd on the 
left: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CAPELO-O-1792-1836/FAL-HT-CAPELO-O-1792-1836_item1/P22.html

I am having difficulty seeing if she is still married or windowed. Can 
anyone tell?

I also have a lot of ancestors from Capelo and recently noticed something 
about their obits page. They have records from 1792-1836 and then another 
book from 1818-1833. I want to post the direct webpage to show it here but 
I can't. I can only post 
this: http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/ig/registos/default.aspx

If you go to obits for Capelo in Faial you will notice.

Has anyone searched through Capelo records and know why this is the case? 
This was not something I had noticed a few months ago, but just noticed the 
other day.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Very Faded Marriage Record for Capelo

[Sean Andrade]

Thanks for the help!

How common is it that two people from different parishes get married in 
another parish that is neither of theirs? Do you think the parents would 
have continued to live in their respective cities and passed away there?

On Thursday, May 12, 2016 at 2:59:48 AM UTC-7, bsei...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> The groom and parents are natives and parishioners of Divino Espirito 
> Santo in Feteira; the bride and parents are natives and parishioners of 
> Santa Barbara in Cedros; so of course they got married in Santissimo 
> Trinidade in Capelo.  Is this splitting the difference?
>
> Also, I see Maria Clara's name as Rosa.  It does look different than Rosa 
> is written for her father's name, but the R does look like the R in 
> "Ritual" on the next to last line.  
>
> Bill Seidler
>
>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Very Faded Marriage Record for Capelo

[Sean Andrade]

Hi,

Here is a marriage record for I believe Manual Silveria Duarte and Maria 
Clara Rosa on the bottom right and going onto the next 
page: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CAPELO-C-1736-1816/FAL-HT-CAPELO-C-1736-1816_item1/P79.html

I believe the year is 1775 if anyone can confirm.

I am having trouble with the names of the parents. 

For Manuel it looks like the Dad is Manuel  and I can not make out 
the mother
For Maria Clara it looks like Manuel da Rosa? And I don't see the mothers 
name at all.

These records always start off with the date and where the record is, but 
then there are a lot of words I dont understand before they get to the 
names of the family.

If there is any pertinent information that anyone can decipher please let 
me know because it might help me understand other records as well.

Thanks!

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Birth Record Capelo

[Sean Andrade]

I actually think I found the correct one here for Jose on the bottom 
left: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1706-1760/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1706-1760_item1/P194.html

Does it say his parents are from the same parish of Capelo and is this 1756?

On Tuesday, May 10, 2016 at 5:21:37 PM UTC-7, Sean Andrade wrote:
>
> Here is another birth record on the right in the middle for Jose: 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1760-1791/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1760-1791_item1/P49.html
>
> I can read the dads name but am having issues with the mothers name. 
> According to his marriage record I have the mother for him as Theresa Rosa 
> da Silveira, but the name in this record does not look like Theresa Rosa.
>
>
> On Tuesday, May 10, 2016 at 8:22:43 AM UTC-7, Júlio wrote:
>>
>> hello
>> This can help you 
>> http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=capelo;lang=pt;p=antonio+goulart+do;n=souto;oc=1
>>
>> terça-feira, 10 de Maio de 2016 às 01:21:26 UTC, Sean Andrade escreveu:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> It has been a while since I was looking into my genealogy. I would like 
>>> some help with the birth record on the bottom right for Ignacia: 
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1760-1791/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1760-1791_item1/P20.html
>>>
>>> I have trouble with the years but I think it's 1762 or 1763. Any 
>>> confirmation would be great.
>>>
>>> I would also like confirmation of the mothers name as Maria Gularte de 
>>> Fariana?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Birth Record Capelo

[Sean Andrade]

Here is another birth record on the right in the middle for Jose: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1760-1791/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1760-1791_item1/P49.html

I can read the dads name but am having issues with the mothers name. 
According to his marriage record I have the mother for him as Theresa Rosa 
da Silveira, but the name in this record does not look like Theresa Rosa.


On Tuesday, May 10, 2016 at 8:22:43 AM UTC-7, Júlio wrote:
>
> hello
> This can help you 
> http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=capelo;lang=pt;p=antonio+goulart+do;n=souto;oc=1
>
> terça-feira, 10 de Maio de 2016 às 01:21:26 UTC, Sean Andrade escreveu:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> It has been a while since I was looking into my genealogy. I would like 
>> some help with the birth record on the bottom right for Ignacia: 
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1760-1791/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1760-1791_item1/P20.html
>>
>> I have trouble with the years but I think it's 1762 or 1763. Any 
>> confirmation would be great.
>>
>> I would also like confirmation of the mothers name as Maria Gularte de 
>> Fariana?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Birth Record Capelo

[Sean Andrade]

Hi,

It has been a while since I was looking into my genealogy. I would like 
some help with the birth record on the bottom right for 
Ignacia: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1760-1791/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1760-1791_item1/P20.html

I have trouble with the years but I think it's 1762 or 1763. Any 
confirmation would be great.

I would also like confirmation of the mothers name as Maria Gularte de 
Fariana?

Thanks!

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Dispensations and Degrees of Consanguinity and Affinity

[Sean Andrade]

Thanks for the information!

On Tuesday, September 15, 2015 at 8:38:39 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> If a couple is related in some way, they need to apply for a dispensation.
>
> The two ways to be related are by consanguinity (blood) or by affinity 
> (your spouse dies, so you marry their brother or sister, i.e. the in-law).
>
> 1st degree: Rather rare. Uncle - niece, aunt-nephew. I think there's some 
> other stuff as 1st degree. I think only once in the history of this list 
> was a 1st degree posted.
>
> 2nd degree: 1st cousins
> 3rd degree: 2nd cousins
> 4th degree: 3rd cousins
>
> After that, the Catholic church did not care.
>
> If a couple were related, a dispensation had to be applied for. They don't 
> necessarily follow a format. The ones I saw (Sao Miguel island ancestry) 
> had a interview with the groom and one with the bride. Ask how they met, 
> why they wanted to marry. Said how they were related. So if you are at a 
> point where you are running out of records (because they don't exist 
> anymore) you may find a few more generations in a dispensation. HOWEVER, 
> not all dispensations exist either.
>
> Currently, Joao Ventura, the archivist can look for a dispensation for 
> you. You need to be able to provide him with the marriage where it says 
> they were related and he will get back to you with his fees. heroi99 at 
> yahoo.com
>
> All existing dispensations for all 9 Azores islands are house in the 
> archives in Angra, as the Diocese seat for the Azores is in Angra.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
> Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage Record Capelo

[Sean Andrade]

Thanks. I looked on Uminho and it says the mom is Goulart which I can see 
the G and T in the marriage record. For the Dad on uminho it says Francisco 
Dutra da Rosa, but it does not look like da Rosa in the marriage record at 
all to me. So I'm not sure what to make of it.

What do you mean by dispensation? What information would it have?



On Tuesday, September 15, 2015 at 2:10:01 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> I'd like to make the bride's dad a Silveira, but the abbreviation just 
> doesn't look right. As for the bride's mom, I lean towards Maria Goncalves 
> (Gl...), but the hook from the line below is reaching up and I can't be 
> certain if it belongs to the name or the line below. Looks like a raised 
> .te on the bride's mom's surname though. Doesn't make sense for Goncalves.
> Cheri
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
> Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 1:39 PM, Margaret Vicente  > wrote:
>
>> Jose Dutra de Andrade son of Manuel Dutra de Andrade and of his wife 
>> Teresa Rosa da Silveira
>>
>> Naturals of this Parish of which they are parishioners.
>>  
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 12:53 AM, Sean Andrade > > wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I have another marriage record from Capelo I need help with on the 
>>> bottom right. 
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CAPELO-C-1736-1816/FAL-HT-CAPELO-C-1736-1816_item1/P102.html
>>>
>>> I believe the year is 1787, can someone confirm?
>>>
>>> I can make out Jose Dutra's parents names.
>>>
>>> Ignacia Maria's father looks like Francisco Dutra da  and Mother 
>>> looks like ___ Maria __
>>>
>>> Does it mention where all four parents are from?
>>>
>>> What does it say in the bottom half of the record? I see names and 
>>> something that looks like 3 degrees.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, August 31, 2015 at 10:06:32 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "digo" is similar to "whoops, I made a mistake." I think the literal 
>>>> translation is "I meant to say"
>>>>
>>>> Cheri Mello
>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
>>>> Tainhas, Achada
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 2:17 PM, Sandra Perez  
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Eugenia Maria digo ThomasiaNot sure what digo means. Perhaps 
>>>>> "known as."
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 1:49 PM, Sean Andrade  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can someone help me with this death record for for Francisco on the 
>>>>>> left middle: 
>>>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CAPELO-O-1792-1836/FAL-HT-CAPELO-O-1792-1836_item1/P50.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am having trouble with the mom's name. It also looks like it states 
>>>>>> his age, but I can'r read it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does it say the parents are also from Capelo?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Friday, August 28, 2015 at 6:54:22 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 6th line from bottom (I'm not counting the signature line)
>>>>>>> (towards end of that 6th line)tendo de idade
>>>>>>> setenta annos pouco mais ou menos.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> .having of age
>>>>>>> 70 years a little more or less..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheri Mello
>>>>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>>>>>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
>>>>>>> Tainhas, Achada
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 3:12 PM, Sean Andrade  
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Here is an Obit for Rosa Marie on the bottom right: 
>>>>>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CAPELO-O-1792-1836/FAL-HT-CAPELO-O-1792-1836_item1/P68.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage Record Capelo

[Sean Andrade]

Hi,

I have another marriage record from Capelo I need help with on the bottom 
right. 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CAPELO-C-1736-1816/FAL-HT-CAPELO-C-1736-1816_item1/P102.html

I believe the year is 1787, can someone confirm?

I can make out Jose Dutra's parents names.

Ignacia Maria's father looks like Francisco Dutra da  and Mother 
looks like ___ Maria __

Does it mention where all four parents are from?

What does it say in the bottom half of the record? I see names and 
something that looks like 3 degrees.



On Monday, August 31, 2015 at 10:06:32 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> "digo" is similar to "whoops, I made a mistake." I think the literal 
> translation is "I meant to say"
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
> Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 2:17 PM, Sandra Perez  > wrote:
>
>> Eugenia Maria digo ThomasiaNot sure what digo means. Perhaps "known 
>> as."
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 1:49 PM, Sean Andrade > > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Can someone help me with this death record for for Francisco on the left 
>>> middle: 
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CAPELO-O-1792-1836/FAL-HT-CAPELO-O-1792-1836_item1/P50.html
>>>
>>> I am having trouble with the mom's name. It also looks like it states 
>>> his age, but I can'r read it.
>>>
>>> Does it say the parents are also from Capelo?
>>>
>>> On Friday, August 28, 2015 at 6:54:22 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>>
>>>> 6th line from bottom (I'm not counting the signature line)
>>>> (towards end of that 6th line)tendo de idade
>>>> setenta annos pouco mais ou menos.
>>>>
>>>> .having of age
>>>> 70 years a little more or less..
>>>>
>>>> Cheri Mello
>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
>>>> Tainhas, Achada
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 3:12 PM, Sean Andrade  
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is an Obit for Rosa Marie on the bottom right: 
>>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CAPELO-O-1792-1836/FAL-HT-CAPELO-O-1792-1836_item1/P68.html
>>>>>
>>>>> It looks like they are doing Obits by saying who the person was 
>>>>> married to. But of course for this one there is only one letter before 
>>>>> the 
>>>>> name of I am assuming is her husband. Does it look like Francisco Dutra 
>>>>> d'Andrade was her husband or father?
>>>>>
>>>>> IT looks like this is for 1836, but i don't see her age anywhere. Can 
>>>>> someone confirm?
>>>>>
>>>>> There are also names at the bottom. Are those just witnesses?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, August 28, 2015 at 11:23:20 AM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Many times I just see the word "outro."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheri Mello
>>>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>>>>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
>>>>>> Tainhas, Achada
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 11:21 AM, Sean Andrade  
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks! That's the first time I have seen that so now I know for the 
>>>>>>> future.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Friday, August 28, 2015 at 11:16:00 AM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think proper translation would be "another of the same name."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheri Mello
>>>>>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>>>>>>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
>>>>>>>> Tainhas, Achada
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 11:14 AM, Cheri Mello  
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> outro de mesmo nome.of the same name.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cheri Mello
>&

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Faded Birth record

[Sean Andrade]

Thanks!

I need help with the location of the parents in this baptism record for 
Antonio on the bottom 
right: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1760-1791/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1760-1791_item1/P211.html

I think it says the mother is from Capelo but I need confirmation and I 
can't tell where the father is from.

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>
> 25 July 1788. Baptized on the 29th.
>
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> On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 9:59 PM, Sean Andrade  > wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I need help with the year on this birth record for Maria on the bottom 
>> left: 
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1760-1791/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1760-1791_item1/P235.html
>>
>> I tried going to the next record to see if I could see a number but I 
>> still can't translate anything.
>>
>>
>> On Friday, September 4, 2015 at 10:38:16 PM UTC-7, linda wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, September 4, 2015 at 9:34:35 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Born 12 Aug 1811
>>>>
>>>>
>>> yes, I see "onze" instead of "nove" now-- thanks! 
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Faded Birth record

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Hi,

I need help with the year on this birth record for Maria on the bottom 
left: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1760-1791/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1760-1791_item1/P235.html

I tried going to the next record to see if I could see a number but I still 
can't translate anything.

On Friday, September 4, 2015 at 10:38:16 PM UTC-7, linda wrote:
>
>
>
> On Friday, September 4, 2015 at 9:34:35 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>
>> Born 12 Aug 1811
>>
>>
> yes, I see "onze" instead of "nove" now-- thanks! 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Faded Birth record

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Hi,

I need help with this birth record for Inacia on the bottom 
right: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1805-1818/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1805-1818_item1/P47.html

I can read the parents names and grand parents.

The grandparents names I believe. Jose Dutra de Andrade and Inacia Maria. 
It looks like it says they are paternal but they should be listed as 
maternal grand parents. Or perhaps I am translating the words before Jose's 
name completely wrong.

I also can't read the year, can anyone make it out?

On Wednesday, September 2, 2015 at 6:10:11 PM UTC-7, Mara wrote:
>
> Sean,
>
> I read the Father's name as Antonio Dutra de Andrade and the Mother's is 
> as you wrote it Rosa Maria.
>
> On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 8:09 PM, Sean Andrade  > wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> This birth record is a little faded and having difficulty with the dad's 
>> name. Francisco on the right middle: 
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1792-1805/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1792-1805_item1/P107.html
>>
>> The mother's name looks like Rosa Maria but having trouble with the dad's 
>> name.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Tips for searching

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Yes, I have noticed ancestors that are combined with someone else or the same 
ancestor in different towns with slightly different information.

I will focus on another line for now.

Thanks for the advice!

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Tips for searching

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I have gone over 10 years each way in searching. On the wife's side I have 
found her parents information, but not on the husbands side. I can try 
searching for the husbands parents wedding information again.

I had been using NEPS as a guide, but it's still been difficult to find. 
Plus there are different towns with the same people but mixed information. 
I have to look at Capelo and Praia do Norte and a lot of the times there is 
contradicting information on people.

I will keep my eye out for siblings too and see if that helps.

On Thursday, September 3, 2015 at 12:27:55 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
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> Sean,
>
> Define "years around." 3 years on either side of the approximate birth 
> date? 5 years? 10 years? They may be as much as 10 years off.
>
> It may be easier to find the marriage of the parents a generation back. 
> Then you can trace forward for the birth of your ancestors (although I do 
> trace a couple of years before marriage too. If there was a dispensation, 
> they may have started having kids before the marriage).
>
> Alternatively, you can pretend your ancestors were 18 at marriage and go 
> to Capelas 18 years before their marriage and start searching backwards in 
> the births. I wouldn't be hunting just for your ancestor. I'd be collecting 
> all their siblings too.
>
> Also, because you are on Faial, use NEPS as a guide.
>
> Good Luck,
> Cheri
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> On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 11:47 AM, Sean Andrade  > wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have two ancestors that were married in Capelo and died in Praia do 
>> Norte. I have found their marriage and death records. Their death records 
>> say about how old they were. I have searched the Capelo baptism records 
>> several times for the years around, and many years before and after they 
>> were possibly born, and have found nothing.
>>
>> Does anyone have any tips that can help me search? Is it just a lost 
>> cause?
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Tips for searching

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Hi,

I have two ancestors that were married in Capelo and died in Praia do 
Norte. I have found their marriage and death records. Their death records 
say about how old they were. I have searched the Capelo baptism records 
several times for the years around, and many years before and after they 
were possibly born, and have found nothing.

Does anyone have any tips that can help me search? Is it just a lost cause?

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Faded Birth record

[Sean Andrade]

Hi,

This birth record is a little faded and having difficulty with the dad's 
name. Francisco on the right 
middle: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1792-1805/FAL-HT-CAPELO-B-1792-1805_item1/P107.html

The mother's name looks like Rosa Maria but having trouble with the dad's 
name.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation

[Sean Andrade]

So I found this record top 
right: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CEDROS-C-1829-1847/FAL-HT-CEDROS-C-1829-1847_item1/P111.html

It says Francisco Leal is the widow of Maria Felicia. And this second 
marriage is 1846.

It doesn't look like it has his parents and I think it says he is from 
Praia do Norte.

On Tuesday, September 1, 2015 at 3:07:34 PM UTC-7, Sean Andrade wrote:
>
> Thanks. I will try that.
>
> On Tuesday, September 1, 2015 at 2:39:19 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>
>> I've never seen a death record mention both wives. I've only seen it 
>> mention the marriage to the current wife. So I'd be looking for her.
>>
>> Since NEPS says he died in Cedros and gives a date, I went to the CCA and 
>> found this (Upper left):
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CEDROS-O-1845-1860/FAL-HT-CEDROS-O-1845-1860_item1/P88.html
>>
>> It says he was married to Maria Tomasia.
>>
>> You need to figure out if this Francisco Leal da Costa is yours and if he 
>> was indeed married twice.
>>
>> My strategy: See if you can find the marriage of your FLdC & wife 2. That 
>> would state Franco is a widower. If you can't find  it, I'd stay in Praia 
>> do Norte, collect ALL the kids of your FLdC & wife Maria Felecia. If you 
>> wind up having your Franco. & wife 1 having kids while Franco. & wife 2 are 
>> having kids, you probably have 2 different Francos. And if that overlap 
>> doesn't happen, then find all the marriages of the kids of Franco & Ma. 
>> Felicia. One of the marriages may say that Franco is alive but mom is dead. 
>> That's a good clue that your Franco went over and married wife 2.
>>
>> Cheri
>>
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>> Tainhas, Achada
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 1:40 PM, Sean Andrade  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> My ancestor, their child, was not listed on that page, Inacia Luisa, who 
>>> died in 1871, and the death record lists them as the parents and says 
>>> Francisco Leal is from Castelo Branco.
>>>
>>> I found the marriage record for Francisco and Maria Felicia in Capelo.
>>>
>>> It does say that Francisco was born in Castelo Branco and lists his 
>>> parents which helped me find his Birth record in Castelo Branco. 
>>>
>>> Maria Felicia died in Praia do Norte and when she died in 1844 it stated 
>>> she was still married to Francisco which means he was still alive. A lot of 
>>> my ancestors had been born and married in Capelo but died in Praia do Norte 
>>> because I believe that section of Capelo officially became Praia do Norte.
>>>
>>> I searched the death records several times in Praia do Norte for 
>>> Francisco Leal, but I couldn't find anything. I went on NEPS to see if 
>>> maybe he was in another town and came across that page. I haven't checked 
>>> Castelo Branco or Capelo yet, but if I don't find him in either of those I 
>>> figure I may as well check Cedros and see if I can find him there.
>>>
>>> If I find the correct death record in Cedros would they make mention of 
>>> him being a widow if he remarried?
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, September 1, 2015 at 12:52:40 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Sean,
>>>>
>>>> I'm going to assume that the typo in 1944 should be 1844. Or I hope.
>>>>
>>>> The NEPS site has wrong information on this family. They have probably 
>>>> blended 2 different people of the same name.
>>>>
>>>> 1784 Francisco Leal da Costa born
>>>> 1788 Maria Felicia de Jesus born
>>>> 1808 Francisco & Maria marry
>>>> 1809 Francisco's 2nd wife, Maria Tomasia is born
>>>> 1821 or later, daughter of Francisco and MARIA FELICIA, Ana Maria 
>>>> Pereira is born
>>>> 1831 son of Francisco and MARIA FELICIA, Antonio Leal da Costa marries 
>>>> (Francisco would be way older than sister Ana Maria born 1821 or later)
>>>> 1840s son of Francisco and MARIA FELICIA, Jose Leal da Costa marries 
>>>> (guess based on his kids' birth). Also, this Jose would be around the age 
>>>> of Ana Maria, I would think).
>>>> 1844 MARIA FELICIA dies
>>>> 1846 son of Francisco and MARIA TOMASIA is born
>>>>
>>>> When you put events in your genealogy

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation

[Sean Andrade]

Thanks. I will try that.

On Tuesday, September 1, 2015 at 2:39:19 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> I've never seen a death record mention both wives. I've only seen it 
> mention the marriage to the current wife. So I'd be looking for her.
>
> Since NEPS says he died in Cedros and gives a date, I went to the CCA and 
> found this (Upper left):
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CEDROS-O-1845-1860/FAL-HT-CEDROS-O-1845-1860_item1/P88.html
>
> It says he was married to Maria Tomasia.
>
> You need to figure out if this Francisco Leal da Costa is yours and if he 
> was indeed married twice.
>
> My strategy: See if you can find the marriage of your FLdC & wife 2. That 
> would state Franco is a widower. If you can't find  it, I'd stay in Praia 
> do Norte, collect ALL the kids of your FLdC & wife Maria Felecia. If you 
> wind up having your Franco. & wife 1 having kids while Franco. & wife 2 are 
> having kids, you probably have 2 different Francos. And if that overlap 
> doesn't happen, then find all the marriages of the kids of Franco & Ma. 
> Felicia. One of the marriages may say that Franco is alive but mom is dead. 
> That's a good clue that your Franco went over and married wife 2.
>
> Cheri
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
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> Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 1:40 PM, Sean Andrade  > wrote:
>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> My ancestor, their child, was not listed on that page, Inacia Luisa, who 
>> died in 1871, and the death record lists them as the parents and says 
>> Francisco Leal is from Castelo Branco.
>>
>> I found the marriage record for Francisco and Maria Felicia in Capelo.
>>
>> It does say that Francisco was born in Castelo Branco and lists his 
>> parents which helped me find his Birth record in Castelo Branco. 
>>
>> Maria Felicia died in Praia do Norte and when she died in 1844 it stated 
>> she was still married to Francisco which means he was still alive. A lot of 
>> my ancestors had been born and married in Capelo but died in Praia do Norte 
>> because I believe that section of Capelo officially became Praia do Norte.
>>
>> I searched the death records several times in Praia do Norte for 
>> Francisco Leal, but I couldn't find anything. I went on NEPS to see if 
>> maybe he was in another town and came across that page. I haven't checked 
>> Castelo Branco or Capelo yet, but if I don't find him in either of those I 
>> figure I may as well check Cedros and see if I can find him there.
>>
>> If I find the correct death record in Cedros would they make mention of 
>> him being a widow if he remarried?
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 1, 2015 at 12:52:40 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>
>>> Sean,
>>>
>>> I'm going to assume that the typo in 1944 should be 1844. Or I hope.
>>>
>>> The NEPS site has wrong information on this family. They have probably 
>>> blended 2 different people of the same name.
>>>
>>> 1784 Francisco Leal da Costa born
>>> 1788 Maria Felicia de Jesus born
>>> 1808 Francisco & Maria marry
>>> 1809 Francisco's 2nd wife, Maria Tomasia is born
>>> 1821 or later, daughter of Francisco and MARIA FELICIA, Ana Maria 
>>> Pereira is born
>>> 1831 son of Francisco and MARIA FELICIA, Antonio Leal da Costa marries 
>>> (Francisco would be way older than sister Ana Maria born 1821 or later)
>>> 1840s son of Francisco and MARIA FELICIA, Jose Leal da Costa marries 
>>> (guess based on his kids' birth). Also, this Jose would be around the age 
>>> of Ana Maria, I would think).
>>> 1844 MARIA FELICIA dies
>>> 1846 son of Francisco and MARIA TOMASIA is born
>>>
>>> When you put events in your genealogy program, you can see a timeline 
>>> for events. You'll be able to see gaps or mistakes.
>>>
>>> I see that there are not enough kids for Francisco & Maria Felicia. They 
>>> marry in 1808 and they think a kid is born in 1821 or later? Where are all 
>>> the kids? The NEPS site may not have recorded the babies that did not reach 
>>> adulthood. Also, if it is the same Francisco, he married a woman the age of 
>>> his kids.
>>>
>>> There are 3 different locations that Francisco Leal da Costa is in. It 
>>> seems like too much moving around. It's covering almost half the island of 
>>> Faial. 
>>>
>>> I would use caution with

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation

[Sean Andrade]

Thanks.

My ancestor, their child, was not listed on that page, Inacia Luisa, who 
died in 1871, and the death record lists them as the parents and says 
Francisco Leal is from Castelo Branco.

I found the marriage record for Francisco and Maria Felicia in Capelo.

It does say that Francisco was born in Castelo Branco and lists his parents 
which helped me find his Birth record in Castelo Branco. 

Maria Felicia died in Praia do Norte and when she died in 1844 it stated 
she was still married to Francisco which means he was still alive. A lot of 
my ancestors had been born and married in Capelo but died in Praia do Norte 
because I believe that section of Capelo officially became Praia do Norte.

I searched the death records several times in Praia do Norte for Francisco 
Leal, but I couldn't find anything. I went on NEPS to see if maybe he was 
in another town and came across that page. I haven't checked Castelo Branco 
or Capelo yet, but if I don't find him in either of those I figure I may as 
well check Cedros and see if I can find him there.

If I find the correct death record in Cedros would they make mention of him 
being a widow if he remarried?

On Tuesday, September 1, 2015 at 12:52:40 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Sean,
>
> I'm going to assume that the typo in 1944 should be 1844. Or I hope.
>
> The NEPS site has wrong information on this family. They have probably 
> blended 2 different people of the same name.
>
> 1784 Francisco Leal da Costa born
> 1788 Maria Felicia de Jesus born
> 1808 Francisco & Maria marry
> 1809 Francisco's 2nd wife, Maria Tomasia is born
> 1821 or later, daughter of Francisco and MARIA FELICIA, Ana Maria Pereira 
> is born
> 1831 son of Francisco and MARIA FELICIA, Antonio Leal da Costa marries 
> (Francisco would be way older than sister Ana Maria born 1821 or later)
> 1840s son of Francisco and MARIA FELICIA, Jose Leal da Costa marries 
> (guess based on his kids' birth). Also, this Jose would be around the age 
> of Ana Maria, I would think).
> 1844 MARIA FELICIA dies
> 1846 son of Francisco and MARIA TOMASIA is born
>
> When you put events in your genealogy program, you can see a timeline for 
> events. You'll be able to see gaps or mistakes.
>
> I see that there are not enough kids for Francisco & Maria Felicia. They 
> marry in 1808 and they think a kid is born in 1821 or later? Where are all 
> the kids? The NEPS site may not have recorded the babies that did not reach 
> adulthood. Also, if it is the same Francisco, he married a woman the age of 
> his kids.
>
> There are 3 different locations that Francisco Leal da Costa is in. It 
> seems like too much moving around. It's covering almost half the island of 
> Faial. 
>
> I would use caution with the information from NEPS on this family. Go back 
> to the actual records and try to verify everything. Work with what you know 
> going BACK in time. Stay in one freguesia until you can find no more or 
> until a records states a different freguesia.
>
> Cheri
>
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
> Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 11:13 AM, Sean Andrade  > wrote:
>
>> Thanks. His first wife died in 1944 in Praia do Norte. It doesn't say 
>> when his second marriage was so I don't know if this happened while he was 
>> still married.
>>
>> It looks like he moved to Cedros after his first wife's death, but I 
>> wonder when the son had been born.
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 1, 2015 at 11:01:07 AM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>
>>> The existance of the 2nd marriage of Francisco with Maria Tomasia was 
>>> known after the birth of son Jose.
>>> Francisco received his Divine Sacraments and was accompanied by the 
>>> College (?) to his grave (maybe that's something like the Knights of 
>>> Columbus that we have now?)
>>> He died with about 74 years of age and not 70, as the priest referred to.
>>>
>>> A native speaker will make a better translation.
>>>
>>> Make sure Fransisco's first wife is indeed dead, otherwise, you've got 2 
>>> Francisco's running around. And there are probably more kids that they did 
>>> not pick up.
>>>
>>> Cheri
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
>>> Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 10:53 AM, Sean Andrade  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I was searching through uminho and came across t

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation

[Sean Andrade]

Thanks. His first wife died in 1944 in Praia do Norte. It doesn't say when 
his second marriage was so I don't know if this happened while he was still 
married.

It looks like he moved to Cedros after his first wife's death, but I wonder 
when the son had been born.

On Tuesday, September 1, 2015 at 11:01:07 AM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> The existance of the 2nd marriage of Francisco with Maria Tomasia was 
> known after the birth of son Jose.
> Francisco received his Divine Sacraments and was accompanied by the 
> College (?) to his grave (maybe that's something like the Knights of 
> Columbus that we have now?)
> He died with about 74 years of age and not 70, as the priest referred to.
>
> A native speaker will make a better translation.
>
> Make sure Fransisco's first wife is indeed dead, otherwise, you've got 2 
> Francisco's running around. And there are probably more kids that they did 
> not pick up.
>
> Cheri
>
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> On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 10:53 AM, Sean Andrade  > wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I was searching through uminho and came across this for Francisco Leal da 
>> Costa: 
>> http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=CEDROS&lang=pt&m=NG&n=Francisco+Leal+da+Costa&t=PN
>>
>> There is a notes section on the bottom that I tried to translate, but I 
>> don't understand what it means. Here it is:
>>
>> Notas
>>
>>- NOTA: A existência do 2º.casamento do Francisco com a Maria 
>>Tomásia, só foi
>>conhecido através do registo de nascimento (baptismo) do filho José.
>>O Francisco recebeu todos os "divinos sacramentos" e foi acompanhado 
>>pelo
>>Colégio à sepultura.
>>Faleceu com cerca de 74 anos de idade e não 70 anos, como refere o 
>>padre.
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Translation

[Sean Andrade]

Hi,

I was searching through uminho and came across this for Francisco Leal da 
Costa: 
http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=CEDROS&lang=pt&m=NG&n=Francisco+Leal+da+Costa&t=PN

There is a notes section on the bottom that I tried to translate, but I 
don't understand what it means. Here it is:

Notas
   
   - NOTA: A existência do 2º.casamento do Francisco com a Maria Tomásia, 
   só foi
   conhecido através do registo de nascimento (baptismo) do filho José.
   O Francisco recebeu todos os "divinos sacramentos" e foi acompanhado pelo
   Colégio à sepultura.
   Faleceu com cerca de 74 anos de idade e não 70 anos, como refere o padre.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sao Mateus Birth Record

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Thanks! On the top it says 1800. Does it mention the year in the record? or 
his grandparents?

On Monday, August 31, 2015 at 7:55:02 PM UTC-7, good...@aol.com wrote:
>
> Sean,
>
> According to CITCEM, it's Goulart not Goncalves. 
>
> Gayle
>
>
>
> On Aug 31, 2015, at 5:08 PM, Sean Andrade  > wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Can anyone read the birth record for Joao on the bottom left: 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-B-1799-1815/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-B-1799-1815_item1/P11.html
>
> His parents look like Joao Silveira _ (Goulart?) and (Agueda?) 
> Francisca. Does it say if the parents are also from Sao Mateus?
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Sao Mateus Birth Record

[Sean Andrade]

Hi,

Can anyone read the birth record for Joao on the bottom 
left: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-B-1799-1815/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-B-1799-1815_item1/P11.html

His parents look like Joao Silveira _ (Goulart?) and (Agueda?) 
Francisca. Does it say if the parents are also from Sao Mateus?

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage Record Capelo

[Sean Andrade]

Can someone help me with this death record for for Francisco on the left 
middle: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CAPELO-O-1792-1836/FAL-HT-CAPELO-O-1792-1836_item1/P50.html

I am having trouble with the mom's name. It also looks like it states his 
age, but I can'r read it.

Does it say the parents are also from Capelo?

On Friday, August 28, 2015 at 6:54:22 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> 6th line from bottom (I'm not counting the signature line)
> (towards end of that 6th line)tendo de idade
> setenta annos pouco mais ou menos.
>
> .having of age
> 70 years a little more or less..
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
> Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 3:12 PM, Sean Andrade  > wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Here is an Obit for Rosa Marie on the bottom right: 
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CAPELO-O-1792-1836/FAL-HT-CAPELO-O-1792-1836_item1/P68.html
>>
>> It looks like they are doing Obits by saying who the person was married 
>> to. But of course for this one there is only one letter before the name of 
>> I am assuming is her husband. Does it look like Francisco Dutra d'Andrade 
>> was her husband or father?
>>
>> IT looks like this is for 1836, but i don't see her age anywhere. Can 
>> someone confirm?
>>
>> There are also names at the bottom. Are those just witnesses?
>>
>> On Friday, August 28, 2015 at 11:23:20 AM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>
>>> Many times I just see the word "outro."
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
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>>> Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 11:21 AM, Sean Andrade  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks! That's the first time I have seen that so now I know for the 
>>>> future.
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, August 28, 2015 at 11:16:00 AM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I think proper translation would be "another of the same name."
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheri Mello
>>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>>>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
>>>>> Tainhas, Achada
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 11:14 AM, Cheri Mello  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> outro de mesmo nome.of the same name.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheri Mello
>>>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
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>>>>>> Tainhas, Achada
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 10:02 AM, Sean Andrade  
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here is another marriage record from Capelo between Francisco Dutra 
>>>>>>> d'Andrade and Inacia Luisa. It starts on the right middle: 
>>>>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CAPELO-C-1818-1836/FAL-HT-CAPELO-C-1818-1836_item1/P44.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The father for Francisco says outro do __ I can't read the rest. 
>>>>>>> What does it say and mean?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thursday, August 27, 2015 at 11:43:04 AM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Unless he comes forward and states he is the father, then it will 
>>>>>>>> be the end of the line for now. DNA testing may help figure it out. 
>>>>>>>> Depends 
>>>>>>>> on how many people from her family lineage test.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheri
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheri Mello
>>>>>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>>>>>>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
>>>>>>>> Tainhas, Achada
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 10:14 PM, Sean Andrade <
>>>>>>>> andrade...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks! I guess with father unknown then her line will end there.
>&

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage Record Capelo

[Sean Andrade]

Thanks!

On Friday, August 28, 2015 at 3:21:50 PM UTC-7, rcapodc wrote:
>
> Sean, it's 'va' which is viuva (widow) of Francisco Dutra d'Andrade. It's 
> the 17 Apr 1836. Sorry, I don't read an age. 
>
>
> Rosemarie 
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> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 3:12 PM, Sean Andrade  > wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Here is an Obit for Rosa Marie on the bottom right: 
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CAPELO-O-1792-1836/FAL-HT-CAPELO-O-1792-1836_item1/P68.html
>>
>> It looks like they are doing Obits by saying who the person was married 
>> to. But of course for this one there is only one letter before the name of 
>> I am assuming is her husband. Does it look like Francisco Dutra d'Andrade 
>> was her husband or father?
>>
>> IT looks like this is for 1836, but i don't see her age anywhere. Can 
>> someone confirm?
>>
>> There are also names at the bottom. Are those just witnesses?
>>
>> On Friday, August 28, 2015 at 11:23:20 AM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>
>>> Many times I just see the word "outro."
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
>>> Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 11:21 AM, Sean Andrade  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks! That's the first time I have seen that so now I know for the 
>>>> future.
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, August 28, 2015 at 11:16:00 AM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I think proper translation would be "another of the same name."
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheri Mello
>>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>>>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
>>>>> Tainhas, Achada
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 11:14 AM, Cheri Mello  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> outro de mesmo nome.of the same name.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheri Mello
>>>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>>>>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
>>>>>> Tainhas, Achada
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 10:02 AM, Sean Andrade  
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here is another marriage record from Capelo between Francisco Dutra 
>>>>>>> d'Andrade and Inacia Luisa. It starts on the right middle: 
>>>>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CAPELO-C-1818-1836/FAL-HT-CAPELO-C-1818-1836_item1/P44.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The father for Francisco says outro do __ I can't read the rest. 
>>>>>>> What does it say and mean?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thursday, August 27, 2015 at 11:43:04 AM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Unless he comes forward and states he is the father, then it will 
>>>>>>>> be the end of the line for now. DNA testing may help figure it out. 
>>>>>>>> Depends 
>>>>>>>> on how many people from her family lineage test.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheri
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheri Mello
>>>>>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>>>>>>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
>>>>>>>> Tainhas, Achada
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 10:14 PM, Sean Andrade <
>>>>>>>> andrade...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks! I guess with father unknown then her line will end there.
>>>>>>>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage Record Capelo

[Sean Andrade]

Hi,

Here is an Obit for Rosa Marie on the bottom 
right: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CAPELO-O-1792-1836/FAL-HT-CAPELO-O-1792-1836_item1/P68.html

It looks like they are doing Obits by saying who the person was married to. 
But of course for this one there is only one letter before the name of I am 
assuming is her husband. Does it look like Francisco Dutra d'Andrade was 
her husband or father?

IT looks like this is for 1836, but i don't see her age anywhere. Can 
someone confirm?

There are also names at the bottom. Are those just witnesses?

On Friday, August 28, 2015 at 11:23:20 AM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Many times I just see the word "outro."
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
> Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 11:21 AM, Sean Andrade  > wrote:
>
>> Thanks! That's the first time I have seen that so now I know for the 
>> future.
>>
>> On Friday, August 28, 2015 at 11:16:00 AM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>
>>> I think proper translation would be "another of the same name."
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
>>> Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 11:14 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>>
>>>> outro de mesmo nome.of the same name.
>>>>
>>>> Cheri Mello
>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
>>>> Tainhas, Achada
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 10:02 AM, Sean Andrade  
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is another marriage record from Capelo between Francisco Dutra 
>>>>> d'Andrade and Inacia Luisa. It starts on the right middle: 
>>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CAPELO-C-1818-1836/FAL-HT-CAPELO-C-1818-1836_item1/P44.html
>>>>>
>>>>> The father for Francisco says outro do __ I can't read the rest. 
>>>>> What does it say and mean?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, August 27, 2015 at 11:43:04 AM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Unless he comes forward and states he is the father, then it will be 
>>>>>> the end of the line for now. DNA testing may help figure it out. Depends 
>>>>>> on 
>>>>>> how many people from her family lineage test.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheri
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheri Mello
>>>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>>>>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
>>>>>> Tainhas, Achada
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 10:14 PM, Sean Andrade  
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks! I guess with father unknown then her line will end there.
>>>>>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage Record Capelo

[Sean Andrade]

Thanks! That's the first time I have seen that so now I know for the future.

On Friday, August 28, 2015 at 11:16:00 AM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
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> I think proper translation would be "another of the same name."
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
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> Tainhas, Achada
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> On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 11:14 AM, Cheri Mello  > wrote:
>
>> outro de mesmo nome.of the same name.
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
>> Tainhas, Achada
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 10:02 AM, Sean Andrade > > wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Here is another marriage record from Capelo between Francisco Dutra 
>>> d'Andrade and Inacia Luisa. It starts on the right middle: 
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CAPELO-C-1818-1836/FAL-HT-CAPELO-C-1818-1836_item1/P44.html
>>>
>>> The father for Francisco says outro do __ I can't read the rest. 
>>> What does it say and mean?
>>>
>>> On Thursday, August 27, 2015 at 11:43:04 AM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Unless he comes forward and states he is the father, then it will be 
>>>> the end of the line for now. DNA testing may help figure it out. Depends 
>>>> on 
>>>> how many people from her family lineage test.
>>>>
>>>> Cheri
>>>>
>>>> Cheri Mello
>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
>>>> Tainhas, Achada
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 10:14 PM, Sean Andrade  
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks! I guess with father unknown then her line will end there.
>>>>>
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