Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Flores Genealogy
Marilyn,
I've come across this family before in my Flores research. If you look at
the 1900 census Oakland, The family just before Alfred and Emma is that of
Tony and Amelia Avelor.
These are Emma's parents and sisters. I haven't found a marriage record for
the parents in the Flores book.
Eric Edgar
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 12:58 PM, Marilyn Roth wi...@mit-tel.net wrote:
Hello, John,
I'm hoping you can assist me. I'm trying to help my sister-in-law,
Janice Bettencourt Roth.
She descends from Alfred Jacinto Nunes (16 Nov. 1872, [Lomba?] Flores,
Azores, Portugal - 1919, CA, USA) who m. Oct. 1898, Oakland, CA, USA,
Emilia Josephine Avel[l]ar (22 Jan. 1881 - 25 Apr. 1940, Lodi, San
Joaquin County, CA, USA) [some records say b. 22 Jan. 1879].
In 1900, they were of Oakland, Alameda County, CA, USA; in 1910, of
Newman, Stanislaus County, CA, USA.
We found Amelia Emma her family on the passenger list of the Bark
Sarah, arriving 12 August 1886, Port of Boston, MA, USA
AVELLAR, Antonio Caetano, 48 years, 4 months, boatman from Flores;
Emilia Rosario, 42 - 3
Daughters born in America, Maria, 18 - 1, Emilia, 17 - 6 {sic,
births too close together}
Ch. b. Flores: Julia, 9 - 3; Amelia, 5 - 7; Filomena, 2 - 5.
Preceding passenger was Jose Marks, 23-6, St. Michael.
The mother of Emilia, age 42 in 1886, was listed as Marks on her
death record.
There were another daughter, and a son Joseph, who was born in
Massachusetts ca. 1865.
In 1920, Brooklyn Township, Oakland City, Alameda County, CA, Nunes:
Emma [Amelia on the passenger list], 40, widow, imm. 1885 {'86}.
Children b. California:
Alfred A., 20; Olithia, 18; Richard, 8; Anthony, 5; Lorraine J., 9
months.
On the same page: Nunes, Rosia, 65, wid., with niece Mary, 40, et
al.
In 1930, Georgiana Township, Sacramento County, CA, USA:
Bettencourt, King, 56, b. CA; wf. Emma, 49, b. Portugal
[Her children that he had adopted], born CA: Richard, 18; Anthony, 17;
Loraine, 11.
The name King appears on other official records, but he was probably
Joaquin, listed as Joachim in 1910,
with his brother Joseph. Online sources say they were sons of Manuel
Silva Bettencourt, b. ca. 1836,
Mary Amelia Neves / Nevis (ca. 1842, Faial, Azores - 1879, Sacramento,
CA).
This is where it gets complicated. Janice's father was Richard J.,
son of Alfred J. Nunes, b. 1872,
but he took the name of his stepfather King Bettencourt and then
married Anna Bettencourt, daughter of
Thomas S. Bettencourt. We have more information on the American
descendants, but we hope you can verify the
Lomba, Flores, location of the family.
Thank you, Marilyn Roth, Mitchell, SD, USA
~ ~ ~
On Aug 25, 7:47 pm, John Vasconcelos gfsjo...@gmail.com wrote:
*Welcome Frank,
(I replied to your original post but am reposting it under a more
appropriate subject line in hopes of getting you more replies)
I can probably help you on your Flores genealogy. Both of my parents were
born on Flores and I still have cousins there , some of whom even speak
English They might even be able to connect you with cousins you never
knew
you had provided you can do some upfront research before getting there.
In planning your trip, I would suggest stopping in Horta Faial first
where
you should try to contact Francisco Antonio Nunes Pimentel Gomes. He is
probably the best living expert on Flores genealogy. He was born on
Flores
but has lived and worked in Horta for many years. He has published at
least
two books on Flores families and genealogy. (he also happenes to be my
fourth cousin once removed) He has a government job but spends a lot of
his
spare time at the Archives in Horta doing research for his books. I'm not
sure how much English he knows since my communications with him have
always
been in Portuguese, I'm sure that other members on the list may be able
to
provide you with the names of translators they've used when they were
there.
In the meantime, post all the information you have on your family tree
here
on the list and we may be able to give you some leads. I have FANPG's
latest
book which is a compilation of all existing marriage records on Flores
and
Corvo. There are 3 or 4 other people on the list who have Flores ancestry
who may be able to help you also.
By all means, if you can spare the time, try to visit Flores. It's a
wonderland of waterfalls, volcanic crater lakes and the most glorious
hydrangeas you've ever seen
John Vasconcelos
Researching Vasconcelos, Mendonca, Freitas Corvelo, Furtado, Pimentel,
Nunes, Fraga, Gomes, Goncalves, RodriguesHenriques plus more*
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Flores Genealogy
Hello, John,
I'm hoping you can assist me. I'm trying to help my sister-in-law,
Janice Bettencourt Roth.
She descends from Alfred Jacinto Nunes (16 Nov. 1872, [Lomba?] Flores,
Azores, Portugal - 1919, CA, USA) who m. Oct. 1898, Oakland, CA, USA,
Emilia Josephine Avel[l]ar (22 Jan. 1881 - 25 Apr. 1940, Lodi, San
Joaquin County, CA, USA) [some records say b. 22 Jan. 1879].
In 1900, they were of Oakland, Alameda County, CA, USA; in 1910, of
Newman, Stanislaus County, CA, USA.
We found Amelia Emma her family on the passenger list of the Bark
Sarah, arriving 12 August 1886, Port of Boston, MA, USA
AVELLAR, Antonio Caetano, 48 years, 4 months, boatman from Flores;
Emilia Rosario, 42 - 3
Daughters born in America, Maria, 18 - 1, Emilia, 17 - 6 {sic,
births too close together}
Ch. b. Flores: Julia, 9 - 3; Amelia, 5 - 7; Filomena, 2 - 5.
Preceding passenger was Jose Marks, 23-6, St. Michael.
The mother of Emilia, age 42 in 1886, was listed as Marks on her
death record.
There were another daughter, and a son Joseph, who was born in
Massachusetts ca. 1865.
In 1920, Brooklyn Township, Oakland City, Alameda County, CA, Nunes:
Emma [Amelia on the passenger list], 40, widow, imm. 1885 {'86}.
Children b. California:
Alfred A., 20; Olithia, 18; Richard, 8; Anthony, 5; Lorraine J., 9
months.
On the same page: Nunes, Rosia, 65, wid., with niece Mary, 40, et
al.
In 1930, Georgiana Township, Sacramento County, CA, USA:
Bettencourt, King, 56, b. CA; wf. Emma, 49, b. Portugal
[Her children that he had adopted], born CA: Richard, 18; Anthony, 17;
Loraine, 11.
The name King appears on other official records, but he was probably
Joaquin, listed as Joachim in 1910,
with his brother Joseph. Online sources say they were sons of Manuel
Silva Bettencourt, b. ca. 1836,
Mary Amelia Neves / Nevis (ca. 1842, Faial, Azores - 1879, Sacramento,
CA).
This is where it gets complicated. Janice's father was Richard J.,
son of Alfred J. Nunes, b. 1872,
but he took the name of his stepfather King Bettencourt and then
married Anna Bettencourt, daughter of
Thomas S. Bettencourt. We have more information on the American
descendants, but we hope you can verify the
Lomba, Flores, location of the family.
Thank you, Marilyn Roth, Mitchell, SD, USA
~ ~ ~
On Aug 25, 7:47 pm, John Vasconcelos gfsjo...@gmail.com wrote:
*Welcome Frank,
(I replied to your original post but am reposting it under a more
appropriate subject line in hopes of getting you more replies)
I can probably help you on your Flores genealogy. Both of my parents were
born on Flores and I still have cousins there , some of whom even speak
English They might even be able to connect you with cousins you never knew
you had provided you can do some upfront research before getting there.
In planning your trip, I would suggest stopping in Horta Faial first where
you should try to contact Francisco Antonio Nunes Pimentel Gomes. He is
probably the best living expert on Flores genealogy. He was born on Flores
but has lived and worked in Horta for many years. He has published at least
two books on Flores families and genealogy. (he also happenes to be my
fourth cousin once removed) He has a government job but spends a lot of his
spare time at the Archives in Horta doing research for his books. I'm not
sure how much English he knows since my communications with him have always
been in Portuguese, I'm sure that other members on the list may be able to
provide you with the names of translators they've used when they were there.
In the meantime, post all the information you have on your family tree here
on the list and we may be able to give you some leads. I have FANPG's latest
book which is a compilation of all existing marriage records on Flores and
Corvo. There are 3 or 4 other people on the list who have Flores ancestry
who may be able to help you also.
By all means, if you can spare the time, try to visit Flores. It's a
wonderland of waterfalls, volcanic crater lakes and the most glorious
hydrangeas you've ever seen
John Vasconcelos
Researching Vasconcelos, Mendonca, Freitas Corvelo, Furtado, Pimentel,
Nunes, Fraga, Gomes, Goncalves, RodriguesHenriques plus more*
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Flores Genealogy
I have a lot of ancestors from Sao Miguel, island. Who are you looking for? What time period? Shirley in CA - Original Message - From: Gail Elizares To: azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 10:04 AM Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Flores Genealogy What is the CCA website? I'm trying to find out what place of Sao Miguel my family came from. I haven't had much luck so far any help would be greatly appreciated. Gail -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Flores Genealogy
You two are searching for Sao Miguel relative on a Flores Genealogy thread. Good luck. On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Shirley Allegre shir...@digitalpath.netwrote: ** I have a lot of ancestors from Sao Miguel, island. Who are you looking for? What time period? Shirley in CA - Original Message - *From:* Gail Elizares geliza...@hawaii.rr.com *To:* azores@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Sunday, August 28, 2011 10:04 AM *Subject:* RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Flores Genealogy What is the CCA website? I’m trying to find out what place of Sao Miguel my family came from. I haven’t had much luck so far any help would be greatly appreciated. ** ** Gail ** ** -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Flores Genealogy
On Aug 28, 11:17 am, Kathy Cardoza kmacard...@me.com wrote: I use a Mac under the new Lion OS and access the CCA site using Safari with no problem at this address: http://pg.azores.gov.pt/drac/cca/ig/ I think the problem for you is that you are using Firefox . it does not work for Mac users on the CCA site! Give Safari a try, at least for using the CCA site. You will be able to see the pages and images as they were meant to be seen. You simply cannot use Firefox ob this site. OK, now it's working with Safari. But it definitely was not yesterday when I tried before I posted! So I am wondering if I had a different link for CCA? I clicked this one you gave and it's working fine now. So thanks for that! And, by the way, when you are finally able to view the list along the left side of the page of the images in that section, sometimes they all have the same image name just hold your cursor over the link and it will tell you the link's complete name, including the page number. It tells you the page number, but not the year of the page. I just spent about 15 minutes clicking at random on one page of links and could not find the year I wanted. On a more personal note, I have used every web browser known to man, I think, but keep coming back to Safari. It is very fast and, the newest versions, have a lot of new features that make it very nice to use. Just my opinion and we all know what those are, LOL I have had trouble in the past with compatibility between Safari and some sites, whereas Firefox usually works fine for most anything. In fact, I think this is the first time I've encountered a site where Firefox is an issue. I've heard that newer versions of Safari are better in this regard, but I'm such a Firefox convert that I never think to use Safari unless something like this comes up. Thanks, Steve -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Flores Genealogy
On Aug 27, 12:33 pm, Katharine katharine.f.ba...@gmail.com wrote: Cheri mentioned that at least some of the Azores genealogical scans that are online cannot be viewed using Mozilla Firefox, in case that's what you're using. So see if Internet Explorer works for you. Thanks fro that tip. I am using Firefox. I tried Explorer, but it is super buggy for Macs (MS stopped supporting it in 2005) and it didn't work either. And no luck with Safari, which I've always found to be pretty bad. Firefox is usually good in terms of compatibility with Explorer stuff. Weird. John, there didn't seem to be any such angel there as you describe. The woman who helped me was younger, and although she spoke a little English (way better than my remedial Portuguese), she didn't know too much about it. There was an older woman who came over to chip in, but she didn't know much either and spoke no English at all. I did indeed meet a taxi driver on Pico who had lived in Canada and spoke excellent English, and she was somewhat helpful - but that was on Pico. Clearly another trip is in order! Steve -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Flores Genealogy
Steve P, There are several Mac users on this list that access the CCA Web site. Maybe one of them will chime in or email you and let you know how they access the CCA site. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Flores Genealogy
Steve, I'm surprised you've had no luck with Safari. I can get into the CCA Website using Safari on my iPad. I can't get the graphic map of the islands without Flash Player, but I can get into all of the genealogical records. Maybe you should try Safari again. Nancy On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 2:37 AM, Steve Peters spp1...@gmail.com wrote: On Aug 27, 12:33 pm, Katharine katharine.f.ba...@gmail.com wrote: Cheri mentioned that at least some of the Azores genealogical scans that are online cannot be viewed using Mozilla Firefox, in case that's what you're using. So see if Internet Explorer works for you. Thanks fro that tip. I am using Firefox. I tried Explorer, but it is super buggy for Macs (MS stopped supporting it in 2005) and it didn't work either. And no luck with Safari, which I've always found to be pretty bad. Firefox is usually good in terms of compatibility with Explorer stuff. Weird. John, there didn't seem to be any such angel there as you describe. The woman who helped me was younger, and although she spoke a little English (way better than my remedial Portuguese), she didn't know too much about it. There was an older woman who came over to chip in, but she didn't know much either and spoke no English at all. I did indeed meet a taxi driver on Pico who had lived in Canada and spoke excellent English, and she was somewhat helpful - but that was on Pico. Clearly another trip is in order! Steve -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Flores Genealogy
Hi Gail, The CCA website is owned by the Azores Government and they are adding the documents from the Churches in the Azores. There are only a few of the villages for Sao Miguel listed at present but hopefully they will start adding more in the near future! The addy is: http://pg.azores.gov.pt/drac/cca/ig/registos. Once you let it load, you will see the names of the Islands, click under Sao Miguel, Logoa and you will get the village (only 4 at present). Click on one of the village and you will see baptismos baptisms, casamentos marriages and obitos, deaths. To the right there is the word ver, click on that and the church records will load. Since you are unsure of the village you should try and get all of the written documents you can find in the USA that may show the village name; birth, marriage, naturalization (which includes the original Declaration of Intention), death etc. Good luch, Rosemarie What is the CCA website? I'm trying to find out what place of Sao Miguel my family came from. I haven't had much luck so far any help would be greatly appreciated. Gail From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Couto Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 5:15 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Flores Genealogy Steve, I'm surprised you've had no luck with Safari. I can get into the CCA Website using Safari on my iPad. I can't get the graphic map of the islands without Flash Player, but I can get into all of the genealogical records. Maybe you should try Safari again. Nancy On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 2:37 AM, Steve Peters spp1...@gmail.com wrote: On Aug 27, 12:33 pm, Katharine katharine.f.ba...@gmail.com wrote: Cheri mentioned that at least some of the Azores genealogical scans that are online cannot be viewed using Mozilla Firefox, in case that's what you're using. So see if Internet Explorer works for you. Thanks fro that tip. I am using Firefox. I tried Explorer, but it is super buggy for Macs (MS stopped supporting it in 2005) and it didn't work either. And no luck with Safari, which I've always found to be pretty bad. Firefox is usually good in terms of compatibility with Explorer stuff. Weird. John, there didn't seem to be any such angel there as you describe. The woman who helped me was younger, and although she spoke a little English (way better than my remedial Portuguese), she didn't know too much about it. There was an older woman who came over to chip in, but she didn't know much either and spoke no English at all. I did indeed meet a taxi driver on Pico who had lived in Canada and spoke excellent English, and she was somewhat helpful - but that was on Pico. Clearly another trip is in order! Steve -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:azores%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Flores Genealogy
For anyone seeking a first-rate bilingual tour-guide on Flores, I heartily recommend Sílvio Medina, who showed me around the island in June 2002 and proved to be the best guide on all five islands where I used professional guides/drivers. He spent most of his youth in Stoughton, Mass., so speaks excellent English -- although in 2002 I had to recount for him in agonizing detail, at least from this Steelers' fan's perspective, his beloved New England Patriots' march to the Super Bowl championship (LOL!), which included the Pats' defeat of Pittsburgh. Sílvio Medina: Internet: http://toursofflores.blogspot.com cell phone: (+351) 918 804 210 Sílvio may also have a Facebook page (not my thing). A professional travel writer who visited Flores also raved about Sílvio's expertise and good nature -- in her article, The new allure of the Azores / Find everything you're looking for - minus the crowds: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10043006/ns/travel-destination_travel/t/new-allure-azores/#.TlqR9GHK3eU Katharine. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Flores Genealogy
*Hi Kathie, I can also recommend Silvio Medina as I have used him also. I arrived on Flores in late June or early July of 2002 (shucks cuz, we keep missing each other). I know I was there the third weekend of July for the Festa dos Emigrantes because I played trombone with the Filarmonica Nossa Senhora dos Remedios from Fajazinha (but I digress). There is another English speaking taxi driver on Flores, whose name escapes me at the moment who was actually born in Fresno, California but whose family returned to Flores when he was a teen-ager so he speaks pretty good English too. I'll email one of my cousins there and try to get his name. Your 4th cousin John Vasconcelos* On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 12:15 PM, Katharine katharine.f.ba...@gmail.comwrote: For anyone seeking a first-rate bilingual tour-guide on Flores, I heartily recommend Sílvio Medina, who showed me around the island in June 2002 and proved to be the best guide on all five islands where I used professional guides/drivers. He spent most of his youth in Stoughton, Mass., so speaks excellent English -- although in 2002 I had to recount for him in agonizing detail, at least from this Steelers' fan's perspective, his beloved New England Patriots' march to the Super Bowl championship (LOL!), which included the Pats' defeat of Pittsburgh. Sílvio Medina: Internet: http://toursofflores.blogspot.com cell phone: (+351) 918 804 210 Sílvio may also have a Facebook page (not my thing). A professional travel writer who visited Flores also raved about Sílvio's expertise and good nature -- in her article, The new allure of the Azores / Find everything you're looking for - minus the crowds: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10043006/ns/travel-destination_travel/t/new-allure-azores/#.TlqR9GHK3eU Katharine. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Flores Genealogy
On Aug 26, 9:34 pm, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: Repost for Katharine Baker: ...He was very helpful during my 2004 visit to Horta, when I spent a good deal of time in the Regional Archives. Katharine, I'd be curious to know more about your (or anyone else's) experience in the archives in Horta. As I posted previously, my experience there this past June was kind of a bust. They would not let me look at any of the actual record books. They pointed me to a computer set aside for genealogical research only that linked to the Centro de Conhecimento web site with scans of the record books (http://pg.azores.gov.pt/drac/cca/ig/), which I had looked at before. The web site is organized by island and freguesia; for Pico they only list three frequesias: São Roque, Madaleina, and Lajes. When you select one you eventually get to pages with hundreds of links that are in no order that I can ascertain. Each link goes to a bunch of documents from a particular time period (I think), but there is no way to tell what that is before you click on it. Here is an example: http://pg.azores.gov.pt/drac/cca/biblioteca_digital/PSRQPNB1764-1783%5CPSRQPNB1764-1783_item1%5Cindex.html (BTW, I can not get any of these links to work on my computer at home; they all say The page can not be found.). I can understand them wanting to go the scanning route, so they don't have tons of people pawing through the original record books and eventually destroying them. But not all of the records have been scanned yet, and the scans themselves are often too faint to read. I did not get the sense that anyone there specialized in this material or knew much about how it was organized. And the computer had a sign on it that said you could only use it for (I think) 30 minutes at a time! Not very user friendly... Did I miss something? Or was this your experience too? I only had one afternoon to spend there, so it wasn't like I had much time to figure it all out. On the upside, the new library building is very nice, and a couple of the librarians made an effort to help me in spite of the language gap. Steve (Peters) -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Flores Genealogy
Steve, when I was there in May 2008 the Horta Archives DID let me look at the actual record books. However, I think that was before any of the scans of them were online, which would explain everything. The librarians there have been very kind to me too, despite the halting nature of my conversational Portuguese; sometimes I do better if I write down in Portuguese what I'm looking for. I'm also good at pointing to what I want ;-) Cheri mentioned that at least some of the Azores genealogical scans that are online cannot be viewed using Mozilla Firefox, in case that's what you're using. So see if Internet Explorer works for you. If not, I assume Cheri knows of other work-arounds. Frank, please let us know if you've been to Flores before, so in case you have, we don't just repeat info you already know. Katharine. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Flores Genealogy
*Steve*,* I second what my cousin Kathie said regarding the helpfulness of the staff at the Horta Archives **HOWEVER, that was 7 years ago. I did extensive research there in 2000 and 2002 and policies may have been more relaxed then. I was allowed to look thru the original church registers then, something which they apparently don't allow any more. At that time there was an older woman on the staff who took it upon herself to actively look for some of my family lines (ie I would be researching one line, and she would grab another register and research another one of my lines and found some of my ancestors) If that lady has not since retired, I don't know if she would be allowed to do that under present policies. (maybe she was one of the ladies who was helpful to you). On top of that, I'm fairly fluent in Portuguese which made things a lot simpler. As Kathie said, Francisco ANP Gomes is the gold standard on Flores genealogy. When I was there in 2002 he lent me the three large 3 ring binders in which he was compiling the marriages for his now published book Cassais das Flores e do Corvo. From that reference, I was able to pretty much fill out my direct lines. I don't know if that book is still in print (possibly someone on the list might know), but I would recommend that any Flores (or Corvo) researcher get a copy. At least that would give you a good start providing you know your Flores ancestors back a generation or two. If you don't speak at least some portugues, I would recommend arranging for one. Possible someone on the list might provide some leads on translators. On all of the Islands there are often taxi drivers who have lived in the US and speak fair English, but you might have to pay them for their time. If you get to Flores and need help, I have at least two cousins there who have lived in the states and speak very good English. John Vasconcelos . * On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 7:59 AM, Steve Peters spp1...@gmail.com wrote: On Aug 26, 9:34 pm, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: Repost for Katharine Baker: ...He was very helpful during my 2004 visit to Horta, when I spent a good deal of time in the Regional Archives. Katharine, I'd be curious to know more about your (or anyone else's) experience in the archives in Horta. As I posted previously, my experience there this past June was kind of a bust. They would not let me look at any of the actual record books. They pointed me to a computer set aside for genealogical research only that linked to the Centro de Conhecimento web site with scans of the record books (http://pg.azores.gov.pt/drac/cca/ig/), which I had looked at before. The web site is organized by island and freguesia; for Pico they only list three frequesias: São Roque, Madaleina, and Lajes. When you select one you eventually get to pages with hundreds of links that are in no order that I can ascertain. Each link goes to a bunch of documents from a particular time period (I think), but there is no way to tell what that is before you click on it. Here is an example: http://pg.azores.gov.pt/drac/cca/biblioteca_digital/PSRQPNB1764-1783%5CPSRQPNB1764-1783_item1%5Cindex.html (BTW, I can not get any of these links to work on my computer at home; they all say The page can not be found.). I can understand them wanting to go the scanning route, so they don't have tons of people pawing through the original record books and eventually destroying them. But not all of the records have been scanned yet, and the scans themselves are often too faint to read. I did not get the sense that anyone there specialized in this material or knew much about how it was organized. And the computer had a sign on it that said you could only use it for (I think) 30 minutes at a time! Not very user friendly... Did I miss something? Or was this your experience too? I only had one afternoon to spend there, so it wasn't like I had much time to figure it all out. On the upside, the new library building is very nice, and a couple of the librarians made an effort to help me in spite of the language gap. Steve (Peters) -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Flores Genealogy
Never been to any of the Azores. Taking all of your experiences in. Thanking all so much. Frank On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 3:33 PM, Katharine katharine.f.ba...@gmail.comwrote: Steve, when I was there in May 2008 the Horta Archives DID let me look at the actual record books. However, I think that was before any of the scans of them were online, which would explain everything. The librarians there have been very kind to me too, despite the halting nature of my conversational Portuguese; sometimes I do better if I write down in Portuguese what I'm looking for. I'm also good at pointing to what I want ;-) Cheri mentioned that at least some of the Azores genealogical scans that are online cannot be viewed using Mozilla Firefox, in case that's what you're using. So see if Internet Explorer works for you. If not, I assume Cheri knows of other work-arounds. Frank, please let us know if you've been to Flores before, so in case you have, we don't just repeat info you already know. Katharine. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Flores Genealogy
You found some records for me earlier, Eric. But there were no grandparents names nor was Maria Joaquina's maiden name found. I am still looking. I also plan to do DNA testing on my mother (her granddaughter). Thanks. Diane On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 8:57 PM, E Sharp bellema...@gmail.com wrote: Diane, Did they have children born in MA to 1915 as their birth records may be online and may give the grandparent's names. Or were they married in MA before 1915? This info might also help find the ship's manifest...and Passportes??? E -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Flores Genealogy
Repost for Katharine Baker: Hi, Frank! Francisco ANP Gomes is a kind, lovely and knowledgeable gentleman on Flores genealogy, although his English can tactfully be described as limited. I can send you his email address and phone number in Horta by private email, if you wish. He was very helpful during my 2004 visit to Horta, when I spent a good deal of time in the Regional Archives. Speaking of which, were you aware that the Public Library moved in April 2008 to a renovated building a block or two away from its long- time location? I'll look up and post the new address for the group, since it's public info. I concur with John Vasconcelos above -- BTW, we're 4th cousins on our respective Gonsalves sides, and goodness knows how many other genealogical connections remain undiscovered (LOL!) -- that Flores has some of the most gorgeous natural scenery in all of the Azores. However, the hydrangeas don't start blooming there till mid-June, in case that's a priority with you. OTOH, in Spring there should be hardly any other tourists on Flores, and lodgings will be concomitantly cheaper. If you have further questions re visiting Flores, please post them to the group, as there may be other members who've also visited the island and have more details to share. Katharine -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Flores Genealogy
Repost for Diane Lavely: Celeste - - I'm looking for my great grandmother - - Maria Joaquina ??? who married Jose M. Soares. She was born on Flores - - though I don't know her maiden name. She and Jose lived in the Boston, Mass area - - Somerville, Mass. Could there be a connection with your family??? Diane Lavely -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Flores Genealogy
Diane, Did they have children born in MA to 1915 as their birth records may be online and may give the grandparent's names. Or were they married in MA before 1915? This info might also help find the ship's manifest...and Passportes??? E -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Flores Genealogy
Diane; Do you know what island/village your great grandfather, Jose M. Soares, came from? Thanks, Sam in CA -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cheri Mello Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 8:49 PM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Flores Genealogy Repost for Diane Lavely: Celeste - - I'm looking for my great grandmother - - Maria Joaquina ??? who married Jose M. Soares. She was born on Flores - - though I don't know her maiden name. She and Jose lived in the Boston, Mass area - - Somerville, Mass. Could there be a connection with your family??? Diane Lavely -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Flores Whaling Ships
Just adding a little bit more info on Antonio Pedro Freitas...he jumped ship in the port of San Francisco in the early 1880's or late 1870's. Does anyone know if there is a list or database like the New Bedford one, of Azorean whaling ships with crew member names? Then i might be able to figure out which ship he was a crew-member. David On Jun 11, 8:26 pm, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: Oops, duh, that's what I get for answering before reading ALL my email first. Sorry for duplicating Eric's answer. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Flores Whaling Ships
Re: Antonio Pedro Freitas...he jumped ship at the port of San Francisco in the early 1880's or late 1870's If he jumped ship, I doubt you will find any record of that. The first record you will find on him would be the 1880 census, if he was in SF in 1870 or the 1900 census if it was 1880 as there is no 1890 census (just fragments of such). Do you have his US records? E -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Flores Whaling Ships
If you ever find info re whaling ships that came to San Francisco, would you please let me know. My husband's grandfather was a whaler that jumped ship.. Thanks Shirley in CA - Original Message - From: Kawika322 oldschoo...@gmail.com To: Azores Genealogy azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 11:01 AM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Flores Whaling Ships Just adding a little bit more info on Antonio Pedro Freitas...he jumped ship in the port of San Francisco in the early 1880's or late 1870's. Does anyone know if there is a list or database like the New Bedford one, of Azorean whaling ships with crew member names? Then i might be able to figure out which ship he was a crew-member. David On Jun 11, 8:26 pm, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: Oops, duh, that's what I get for answering before reading ALL my email first. Sorry for duplicating Eric's answer. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Flores Whaling Ships
Shirley, Since whaling was a trade, when they arrived here they may have continued working as whalers here. There were many shore whaling companies along the Califonia coast from the 1850s to 1900. I've seen census sheets that listed the settlement showing which island the azorean men were from. I think 1870 Monterey was the one I have. I'll look around Eric E On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Shirley Allegre shir...@digitalpath.netwrote: If you ever find info re whaling ships that came to San Francisco, would you please let me know. My husband's grandfather was a whaler that jumped ship.. Thanks Shirley in CA - Original Message - From: Kawika322 oldschoo...@gmail.com To: Azores Genealogy azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 11:01 AM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Flores Whaling Ships Just adding a little bit more info on Antonio Pedro Freitas...he jumped ship in the port of San Francisco in the early 1880's or late 1870's. Does anyone know if there is a list or database like the New Bedford one, of Azorean whaling ships with crew member names? Then i might be able to figure out which ship he was a crew-member. David On Jun 11, 8:26 pm, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: Oops, duh, that's what I get for answering before reading ALL my email first. Sorry for duplicating Eric's answer. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comazores%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comazores%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Flores Whaling Ships
Here is a site dealing with the California shore whaling companies http://content.cdlib.org/view?docId=kt7t1nb2f7;NAAN=13030doc.view=frameschunk.id=d0e282toc.depth=1toc.id=brand=calisphere Eric E On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 2:33 PM, eric edgar noblankt...@gmail.com wrote: Shirley, Since whaling was a trade, when they arrived here they may have continued working as whalers here. There were many shore whaling companies along the Califonia coast from the 1850s to 1900. I've seen census sheets that listed the settlement showing which island the azorean men were from. I think 1870 Monterey was the one I have. I'll look around Eric E On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Shirley Allegre shir...@digitalpath.net wrote: If you ever find info re whaling ships that came to San Francisco, would you please let me know. My husband's grandfather was a whaler that jumped ship.. Thanks Shirley in CA - Original Message - From: Kawika322 oldschoo...@gmail.com To: Azores Genealogy azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 11:01 AM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Flores Whaling Ships Just adding a little bit more info on Antonio Pedro Freitas...he jumped ship in the port of San Francisco in the early 1880's or late 1870's. Does anyone know if there is a list or database like the New Bedford one, of Azorean whaling ships with crew member names? Then i might be able to figure out which ship he was a crew-member. David On Jun 11, 8:26 pm, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: Oops, duh, that's what I get for answering before reading ALL my email first. Sorry for duplicating Eric's answer. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comazores%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comazores%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Flores Whaling Ships
Here is a book from the Portuguese Historical Society on the subject http://www.portuguesebooks.org/Whalers/shorewhaling.html On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 3:26 PM, eric edgar noblankt...@gmail.com wrote: Here is a site dealing with the California shore whaling companies http://content.cdlib.org/view?docId=kt7t1nb2f7;NAAN=13030doc.view=frameschunk.id=d0e282toc.depth=1toc.id=brand=calisphere Eric E On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 2:33 PM, eric edgar noblankt...@gmail.comwrote: Shirley, Since whaling was a trade, when they arrived here they may have continued working as whalers here. There were many shore whaling companies along the Califonia coast from the 1850s to 1900. I've seen census sheets that listed the settlement showing which island the azorean men were from. I think 1870 Monterey was the one I have. I'll look around Eric E On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Shirley Allegre shir...@digitalpath.net wrote: If you ever find info re whaling ships that came to San Francisco, would you please let me know. My husband's grandfather was a whaler that jumped ship.. Thanks Shirley in CA - Original Message - From: Kawika322 oldschoo...@gmail.com To: Azores Genealogy azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 11:01 AM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Flores Whaling Ships Just adding a little bit more info on Antonio Pedro Freitas...he jumped ship in the port of San Francisco in the early 1880's or late 1870's. Does anyone know if there is a list or database like the New Bedford one, of Azorean whaling ships with crew member names? Then i might be able to figure out which ship he was a crew-member. David On Jun 11, 8:26 pm, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: Oops, duh, that's what I get for answering before reading ALL my email first. Sorry for duplicating Eric's answer. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comazores%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comazores%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Flores Whaling Ships
Here is another good site about Portuguese who were Whalers and Dairymen in California http://library.csustan.edu/bsantos/calif.html E -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Flores Genealogy and Drinking Society
Arlene... Thought you'd want to know that the information you provided IS my family. My mom dug out a note with info from her aunt that never really made sense before, but with your information, we understand now that the note says Margarida had 2 sisters, Ana and Mary and one brother, Frank which is on the money with your information. I cannot thank you enough for this. I'd have looked for a thousand years before I'd have figured it out on my own. Thank you, thank you, thank you! I started entering it my tree program yesterday, but I'm puzzled about the names. Maria Ursula do Coacao de Jesus, her parents are Antonio Caetano Martins and Maria Usula.her father has a different last name? Is there something here that would tell me Maria's mother's maiden name? I've had great difficulty with the namingis there someplace I can go to learn about how they get their names?? Thank you again, Cindy D Kansas On Jun 14, 1:48 pm, Arlene Marcoux avm6...@bak.rr.com wrote: Cindy, I found this in the book, Familias da Ilha dasFlores: José António Pimentel, Parents.. António José Pimentel and Maria Claudina, married Maria Ursula do Coração de Jesus from S. Caetano, her parents António Caetano Martins and Maria Usula. From the Morros. Children were: Maria b.8/6/1876; Francisco b.8/12/1877; Margarida b.6/17/1879; Ana b.2/27/1882. I am sorry but it does not list any other families that is connected to them. Arlene M. - Original Message - From: Cindy D kcci...@aol.com To: Azores Genealogy azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 8:07 AM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re:FloresGenealogy and Drinking Society I dug out myFloresfamily. I don't have much to share, just scant information. I keep hoping to be connected to someone. Here's myFloresfamily: Margarida Ursela Pimentel, b June 1879 inFlores, immigrated alone at age 15 to New Bedford (married Jose da Silva, of San Miguel, 1897, in New Bedford who later became Joseph S Sylvia) Margarida (Maggie) parents: Jose Antonia (could be Antonio) Pimentel -Flores Maria Ursela Pimentel -Flores I believe Margarida had a brother Frank who married Annie Martin. That's it. That's all I know. I only got that from the New Bedfored marriage records. I don't even know if Maggie's parents came here. Don't know Maggie's death date yet either but my mom thinks she was buried at St. John's in New Bedford, so I don't have a death certificate that might have had additional information. Maggie's parents were both Pimentels? Or did Maggie not know her mother's maiden name? I'm dead in the water on anything further. Cindy D On the Kansas Plains On Jun 6, 11:32 pm, John Vasconcelos gfsjo...@gmail.com wrote: I've become envious of the Ponta Garca Gang and the Cabral Travassos Country Club and their good fortune in finding cousins. So I hereby establish the FloresGenealogy and Drinking Society. WeFlorespeople are not so fortunate as our more easterly cousins.Floreswas subject to the plunderings of Pirates and Privateers which took a toll on our ancestors and their institutions. According to historical accounts,Floreswas attacked by Privateers in the mid 1600's who burned every church on the Island. As a result most records before the late 1600's were lost. Even the records on neighboring Corvo go back earlier, to the early 1600's, as I recall. The earliest documented marriage that I have discovered among my ancestors was that of Manoel Pimentel to Isabel de Freitas, Nov 26, 1692, Santa Cruz, Floreswho were my 4G Grandparents (He had been married previously, in the 1680's as I recall). His parents were Domingos Nunes and Marianna Fraga, date and place of birth unknown although it was probably Santa Cruz, Flores. I would venture a guess that Marianna was related to Diogo das Chagas, whose mother was also a Fraga. Her parents were Domingos Fernandez and Catarina de Freitas. How about it, any cousins out there with these same ancestors? John Vasconcelos -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Flores Genealogy and Drinking Society
I found information on the internet apparently a Flemish nobleman/ pioneer Willam Van der Haegen, (later adopted Silviera as his name) was one of the early settlers. Perhaps Ursula came from there. I was also surprised to find so much information at the John Carter Brown Library in Providence RI, on the Portuguese renaissance of their intellectuals and scholars. There is currently an online exhibition of their books. Very interesting! Cindy D Kansas On Jun 17, 5:42 pm, John Vasconcelos gfsjo...@gmail.com wrote: *Cindy, * *Sam is on the right track. Her full name was more than likely Maria Ursula do Coracao de Jesus or Maria Ursula of the (Sacred) Heart of Jesus if you translate it literally. Morros is a section of Lages Flores (ie a location name).* ** *As an aside, there seem to be a lot of Ursulas on Flores, some of them being ancestors of mine (case in point, my 3G grandmother Ursula Pimentel.) I've always thought of Ursula as a Scandanavian or at least Northern European woman's first name (remember the actress Ursula Andres). How did it ever get to Flores?* *John Vasconcelos* ** On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Cindy D kcci...@aol.com wrote: Arlene! This is terrific info! Margarida's birth date in this record is almost on the money, June 1879. I never had a birth day date...never found their deaths either. Anyway, family history notes that Maggie had a brother Frank. I'm guessing, but couldn't Francisco be Americanized to Frank?? This further indicates this is probably the right family. It gives me plenty to work with. I don't understand the naming process as Maria Ursula de Jesus has do Coracao in the middle. Is that a name or a place? Also, what does, From the Morros mean? Thanks again Arlene, this is just so wonderful as i've never been able to find anything on my Azorean past. I owe you coffee and a malasada. This gives me hope that I will be able to find more on the Pimentels. I know you'll think this is crazy but when I was a kid in the 50's my grandfather told us that his uncle Manuel Pimentel was hung for being a pirate, I don't know where or when or how as I didn't care back then, so I was really hoping to find out what that was all about some day. As a kid we blew off that story and laughed, but now I'm learning to pay attention to the family lore as eventually, I find there's usually a grain of truth in there. I find it oddly exciting to think I have a pirate ancestor! Arrr! Cindy D On Jun 14, 1:48 pm, Arlene Marcoux avm6...@bak.rr.com wrote: Cindy, I found this in the book, Familias da Ilha das Flores: Jos Ant nio Pimentel, Parents.. Ant nio Jos Pimentel and Maria Claudina, married Maria Ursula do Cora o de Jesus from S. Caetano, her parents Ant nio Caetano Martins and Maria Usula. From the Morros. Children were: Maria b.8/6/1876; Francisco b.8/12/1877; Margarida b.6/17/1879; Ana b.2/27/1882. I am sorry but it does not list any other families that is connected to them. Arlene M. - Original Message - From: Cindy D kcci...@aol.com To: Azores Genealogy azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 8:07 AM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Flores Genealogy andDrinkingSociety I dug out my Flores family. I don't have much to share, just scant information. I keep hoping to be connected to someone. Here's my Flores family: Margarida Ursela Pimentel, b June 1879 in Flores, immigrated alone at age 15 to New Bedford (married Jose da Silva, of San Miguel, 1897, in New Bedford who later became Joseph S Sylvia) Margarida (Maggie) parents: Jose Antonia (could be Antonio) Pimentel - Flores Maria Ursela Pimentel - Flores I believe Margarida had a brother Frank who married Annie Martin. That's it. That's all I know. I only got that from the New Bedfored marriage records. I don't even know if Maggie's parents came here. Don't know Maggie's death date yet either but my mom thinks she was buried at St. John's in New Bedford, so I don't have a death certificate that might have had additional information. Maggie's parents were both Pimentels? Or did Maggie not know her mother's maiden name? I'm dead in the water on anything further. Cindy D On the Kansas Plains On Jun 6, 11:32 pm, John Vasconcelos gfsjo...@gmail.com wrote: I've become envious of the Ponta Garca Gang and the Cabral Travassos Country Club and their good fortune in finding cousins. So I hereby establish the Flores Genealogy andDrinkingSociety. We Flores people are not so fortunate as our more easterly cousins. Flores was subject to the plunderings of Pirates and Privateers which took a toll on our ancestors and their institutions. According to historical accounts, Flores was attacked by Privateers in the mid 1600's who burned every church on the Island. As a result most
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Flores Genealogy and Drinking Society
Maria do Coracao de Jesus is her first name. - Original Message - From: Cindy D kcci...@aol.com To: Azores Genealogy azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 7:11:02 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Flores Genealogy and Drinking Society Thanks for the name help infoif Coracao de Jesus is a religious term, then it's not her maiden name? The naming customs have my head spinning. Cindy D Kansas On Jun 17, 4:48 pm, Sam Koester sam...@surewest.net wrote: Cindy; Just jumping in here because I have a grandmother who also was Coracao de Jesus in her name. It means heart of Jesus and is a religious term, not really a name. Just my two cents, Sam in CA -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cindy D Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 11:32 AM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re:FloresGenealogy and Drinking Society I don't understand the naming process as Maria Ursula de Jesus has do Coracao in the middle. Is that a name or a place? Also, what does, From the Morros mean?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
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Cindy; I am certainly no expert but; from what I have learned, women in the Azores in this time period did not routinely use a surname. Again, this largely depends on the time frame. Children could have a surname of their mother, father, grandparent on either side, distant relative, etc. If you had 6 children in a family, they could have 6 different surnames. The use of surnames was in part a way to honor ancestors so, they covered as many bases as possible. (Now, that was a bit of a generalization but; just to give you the idea.) Also, very often you will have several Marias that are siblings. These Marias would also have a second name and that is the name they would be called by. (Maria, of course, would be honoring the Virgin Mary.) Next you have the issue of 2nd, 3rd, etc. of the same name because the previous one, two, etc. had passed on early in their lives and the parents gave the next child of the same sex the same name No one said this genealogy thing would be easy.. :-) Sam in CA Thanks for the name help infoif Coracao de Jesus is a religious term, then it's not her maiden name? The naming customs have my head spinning. Cindy D Kansas -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
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Cindy, Adding to what Sam said, very often male children would be given their mother's surname (when she had one). This would often happen when the mother had no male siblings to pass on the the grandfather's surname. It would sometimes happen when the mother was from a more prominant family. Both of these cases occur in my family tree. I hope that doesn't totally confuse you now. There is another interesting situation in my mother's family. Her father was Jose Joaquin de Freitas. Her mother was Anna Jose Corvello. I had always known her as Ana Freitas Vasconcelos (ie logic would say that her maiden name was Ana Freitas.) *WRONG.* On one of my trips to Flores I checked at the civil registry and found my parents marriage certificate. I was amazed to learn that her maiden name was Ana de Freitas Corvelo (same for her other sisters). Her brothers carried Freitas as their surname: ie Francisco Freitas and Jose [Joaquim] Freitas. That is another common custom in the Azores: male children take the father's surname and females take their mothers, surname. Regards, John Vasconcelos On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Sam Koester sam...@surewest.net wrote: Cindy; I am certainly no expert but; from what I have learned, women in the Azores in this time period did not routinely use a surname. Again, this largely depends on the time frame. Children could have a surname of their mother, father, grandparent on either side, distant relative, etc. If you had 6 children in a family, they could have 6 different surnames. The use of surnames was in part a way to honor ancestors so, they covered as many bases as possible. (Now, that was a bit of a generalization but; just to give you the idea.) Also, very often you will have several Marias that are siblings. These Marias would also have a second name and that is the name they would be called by. (Maria, of course, would be honoring the Virgin Mary.) Next you have the issue of 2nd, 3rd, etc. of the same name because the previous one, two, etc. had passed on early in their lives and the parents gave the next child of the same sex the same name No one said this genealogy thing would be easy.. :-) Sam in CA Thanks for the name help infoif Coracao de Jesus is a religious term, then it's not her maiden name? The naming customs have my head spinning. Cindy D Kansas -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comazores%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
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I am glad your mom found a note to confirm what I sent you. Glad I could help. I see that many answered your question about names. I also have Ursula in my ancestors. There was no law that you had to give your child any last name other than the one they gave at baptism. I believe it was in 1944 they changed the law to add father's last name. In Brazil as well as the Azores. There religious names were probably given to them at the time of their Confirmation in the Church. Arlene - Original Message - From: Cindy D kcci...@aol.com To: Azores Genealogy azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 5:01 AM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Flores Genealogy and Drinking Society Arlene... Thought you'd want to know that the information you provided IS my family. My mom dug out a note with info from her aunt that never really made sense before, but with your information, we understand now that the note says Margarida had 2 sisters, Ana and Mary and one brother, Frank which is on the money with your information. I cannot thank you enough for this. I'd have looked for a thousand years before I'd have figured it out on my own. Thank you, thank you, thank you! I started entering it my tree program yesterday, but I'm puzzled about the names. Maria Ursula do Coacao de Jesus, her parents are Antonio Caetano Martins and Maria Usula.her father has a different last name? Is there something here that would tell me Maria's mother's maiden name? I've had great difficulty with the namingis there someplace I can go to learn about how they get their names?? Thank you again, Cindy D Kansas On Jun 14, 1:48 pm, Arlene Marcoux avm6...@bak.rr.com wrote: Cindy, I found this in the book, Familias da Ilha dasFlores: José António Pimentel, Parents.. António José Pimentel and Maria Claudina, married Maria Ursula do Coração de Jesus from S. Caetano, her parents António Caetano Martins and Maria Usula. From the Morros. Children were: Maria b.8/6/1876; Francisco b.8/12/1877; Margarida b.6/17/1879; Ana b.2/27/1882. I am sorry but it does not list any other families that is connected to them. Arlene M. - Original Message - From: Cindy D kcci...@aol.com To: Azores Genealogy azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 8:07 AM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re:FloresGenealogy and Drinking Society I dug out myFloresfamily. I don't have much to share, just scant information. I keep hoping to be connected to someone. Here's myFloresfamily: Margarida Ursela Pimentel, b June 1879 inFlores, immigrated alone at age 15 to New Bedford (married Jose da Silva, of San Miguel, 1897, in New Bedford who later became Joseph S Sylvia) Margarida (Maggie) parents: Jose Antonia (could be Antonio) Pimentel -Flores Maria Ursela Pimentel -Flores I believe Margarida had a brother Frank who married Annie Martin. That's it. That's all I know. I only got that from the New Bedfored marriage records. I don't even know if Maggie's parents came here. Don't know Maggie's death date yet either but my mom thinks she was buried at St. John's in New Bedford, so I don't have a death certificate that might have had additional information. Maggie's parents were both Pimentels? Or did Maggie not know her mother's maiden name? I'm dead in the water on anything further. Cindy D On the Kansas Plains On Jun 6, 11:32 pm, John Vasconcelos gfsjo...@gmail.com wrote: I've become envious of the Ponta Garca Gang and the Cabral Travassos Country Club and their good fortune in finding cousins. So I hereby establish the FloresGenealogy and Drinking Society. WeFlorespeople are not so fortunate as our more easterly cousins.Floreswas subject to the plunderings of Pirates and Privateers which took a toll on our ancestors and their institutions. According to historical accounts,Floreswas attacked by Privateers in the mid 1600's who burned every church on the Island. As a result most records before the late 1600's were lost. Even the records on neighboring Corvo go back earlier, to the early 1600's, as I recall. The earliest documented marriage that I have discovered among my ancestors was that of Manoel Pimentel to Isabel de Freitas, Nov 26, 1692, Santa Cruz, Floreswho were my 4G Grandparents (He had been married previously, in the 1680's as I recall). His parents were Domingos Nunes and Marianna Fraga, date and place of birth unknown although it was probably Santa Cruz, Flores. I would venture a guess that Marianna was related to Diogo das Chagas, whose mother was also a Fraga. Her parents were Domingos Fernandez and Catarina de Freitas. How about it, any cousins out there with these same ancestors? John Vasconcelos -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Flores Genealogy and Drinking Society
Arlene! This is terrific info! Margarida's birth date in this record is almost on the money, June 1879. I never had a birth day date...never found their deaths either. Anyway, family history notes that Maggie had a brother Frank. I'm guessing, but couldn't Francisco be Americanized to Frank?? This further indicates this is probably the right family. It gives me plenty to work with. I don't understand the naming process as Maria Ursula de Jesus has do Coracao in the middle. Is that a name or a place? Also, what does, From the Morros mean? Thanks again Arlene, this is just so wonderful as i've never been able to find anything on my Azorean past. I owe you coffee and a malasada. This gives me hope that I will be able to find more on the Pimentels. I know you'll think this is crazy but when I was a kid in the 50's my grandfather told us that his uncle Manuel Pimentel was hung for being a pirate, I don't know where or when or how as I didn't care back then, so I was really hoping to find out what that was all about some day. As a kid we blew off that story and laughed, but now I'm learning to pay attention to the family lore as eventually, I find there's usually a grain of truth in there. I find it oddly exciting to think I have a pirate ancestor! Arrr! Cindy D On Jun 14, 1:48�pm, Arlene Marcoux avm6...@bak.rr.com wrote: Cindy, I found this in the book, Familias da Ilha das Flores: Jos� Ant�nio Pimentel, Parents.. Ant�nio Jos� Pimentel and Maria Claudina, married Maria Ursula do Cora�o de Jesus from S. Caetano, her parents Ant�nio Caetano Martins and Maria Usula. �From the Morros. Children were: �Maria b.8/6/1876; �Francisco b.8/12/1877; �Margarida b.6/17/1879; �Ana b.2/27/1882. I am sorry but it does not list any other families that is connected to them. Arlene M. - Original Message - From: Cindy D kcci...@aol.com To: Azores Genealogy azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 8:07 AM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Flores Genealogy andDrinkingSociety I dug out my Flores family. �I don't have much to share, just scant information. �I keep hoping to be connected to someone. Here's my Flores family: Margarida Ursela Pimentel, b June 1879 in Flores, immigrated alone at age 15 to New Bedford � �(married Jose da Silva, of San Miguel, 1897, in New Bedford who later became Joseph S Sylvia) Margarida (Maggie) parents: Jose Antonia (could be Antonio) Pimentel - Flores � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � Maria Ursela Pimentel - Flores I believe Margarida had a brother Frank who married Annie Martin. That's it. �That's all I know. �I only got that from the New Bedfored marriage records. �I don't even know if Maggie's parents came here. Don't know Maggie's death date yet either but my mom thinks she was buried at St. John's in New Bedford, so I don't have a death certificate that might have had additional information. �Maggie's parents were both Pimentels? � Or did Maggie not know her mother's maiden name? �I'm dead in the water on anything further. Cindy D On the Kansas Plains On Jun 6, 11:32 pm, John Vasconcelos gfsjo...@gmail.com wrote: I've become envious of the Ponta Garca Gang and the Cabral Travassos Country Club and their good fortune in finding cousins. So I hereby establish the Flores Genealogy andDrinkingSociety. We Flores people are not so fortunate as our more easterly cousins. Flores was subject to the plunderings of Pirates and Privateers which took a toll on our ancestors and their institutions. According to historical accounts, Flores was attacked by Privateers in the mid 1600's who burned every church on the Island. As a result most records before the late 1600's were lost. Even the records on neighboring Corvo go back earlier, to the early 1600's, as I recall. The earliest documented marriage that I have discovered among my ancestors was that of Manoel Pimentel to Isabel de Freitas, Nov 26, 1692, Santa Cruz, Flores who were my 4G Grandparents (He had been married previously, in the 1680's as I recall). His parents were Domingos Nunes and Marianna Fraga, date and place of birth unknown although it was probably Santa Cruz, Flores. I would venture a guess that Marianna was related to Diogo das Chagas, whose mother was also a Fraga. Her parents were Domingos Fernandez and Catarina de Freitas. How about it, any cousins out there with these same ancestors? John Vasconcelos -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. �Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/Azores. �Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- To unsubscribe
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Flores Genealogy and Drinking Society
Cindy; Just jumping in here because I have a grandmother who also was Coracao de Jesus in her name. It means heart of Jesus and is a religious term, not really a name. Just my two cents, Sam in CA -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cindy D Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 11:32 AM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Flores Genealogy and Drinking Society I don't understand the naming process as Maria Ursula de Jesus has do Coracao in the middle. Is that a name or a place? Also, what does, From the Morros mean? -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Flores Genealogy/Pimentel
Tony, Sorry taking so long to reply. as far as I know, I don't think I'm closely related to the John Vasconcelos in Sunnyvale. Do you know which Island (or mainland location) his family was originally from? All I know is that my Vasconcelos ancestors were from the Island of Flores in the Azores and that we are probably descendants of Martim Mendes de Vasconcellos, of Madeira via Terceira, Azores. John Vasconcelos On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 9:08 AM, Tony Cardoso t...@rossettas.com wrote: John Vasconcelos: Are you related to John Vasconcelos that grew up in Sunnyvale, CA in the early to mid 70’s? I went to school with john and would like to say hello. Thanks! Tony *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *John Vasconcelos *Sent:* Monday, June 07, 2010 9:00 AM *To:* azores@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Flores Genealogy/Pimentel *Cindy, I may have a lead for you. My 4G grandparents, Ursula Pimentel born Santa Cruz Flores, married to Pedro de Freitas, born Mosteiro, Flores, married 17 June 1734 in Santa Cruz Flores. Ursula died 08 Aug 1775, Caldeira, Flores. They had a lot of Freitas de Pimentel descendants (who usually went by Pimentel), many of whom I grew up with in the Fresno California area. One of their descendants is my 5th cousin Dr. David Pimentel, Professor emeritus of Cornell University who several years ago ran (and lost) on the outsider ticket for some high office in the Sierra Club. He, I believe was born in the New Bedford area. Unfortunately, I haven't ever met him. Regards, John Vasconcelos* On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 6:27 AM, Cindy D - Searching Sylvia-Pimentel-Martin kcci...@aol.com wrote: Although I have not been able to find acutal documentation over there to prove it, my Pimentel side is from Flores, so pour me a glass and count me in!!! I know zero about Flores other than my mother has told me that her grandmother said it has a lot of flowers. Got a lucky break and found a marriage record in New Bedfordand it confirmed family lore that my great-grandma Maggie Pimentel (Margarida Ursela Pimentel) was indeed, from Flores. Also got her parents' names on that record. Double Score. I thought my great-grandfather was Sylvia or Silva, but no, marriage record has Da Silvawhich explains why I couldn't find much of anything for the past 3 years. Doh! Made a giant pot of cacciola and had the family in to celebrate! My family tree was written by first generation American Sylvias and a big mistake was made in hand copying (before copy machines) and listed Frank Pimentel and Annie Martin as Maggie's parents which did not agree with that New Bedford marriage record at all so it's been sitting on the back-burner for at least a year. After digging through some family papers and carefully reading all the little pencil notes on the original note paper, turns out, Frank is Maggie's brother, not father. So now it all makes sense and I can put everyone where they belong. Sheesh! Cindy D Sylvia, Pimentel, and new and improved, Da Silva, De Jesus and a Martin in-law On Jun 6, 11:32�pm, John Vasconcelos gfsjo...@gmail.com wrote: I've become envious of the Ponta Garca Gang and the Cabral Travassos Country Club and their good fortune in finding cousins. �So I hereby establish the Flores Genealogy and Drinking Society. �We Flores people are not so fortunate as our more easterly cousins. Flores was subject to the plunderings of Pirates and Privateers which took a toll on our ancestors and their institutions. According to historical accounts, Flores was attacked by Privateers in the mid 1600's who burned every church on the Island. As a result most records before the late 1600's were lost. Even the records on neighboring Corvo go back earlier, to the early 1600's, as I recall. The earliest documented marriage that I have discovered among my ancestors was that of Manoel Pimentel to Isabel de Freitas, Nov 26, 1692, Santa Cruz, Flores who were my 4G Grandparents (He had been married previously, in the 1680's as I recall). His parents were Domingos Nunes and Marianna Fraga, date and place of birth unknown although it was probably Santa Cruz, Flores. I would venture a guess that Marianna was related to Diogo das Chagas, whose mother was also a Fraga. Her parents were Domingos Fernandez and Catarina de Freitas. How about it, any cousins out there with these same ancestors? John Vasconcelos -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comazores%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Flores Genealogy and Drinking Society
*Cindy, * *Sam is on the right track. Her full name was more than likely Maria Ursula do Coracao de Jesus or Maria Ursula of the (Sacred) Heart of Jesus if you translate it literally. Morros is a section of Lages Flores (ie a location name).* ** *As an aside, there seem to be a lot of Ursulas on Flores, some of them being ancestors of mine (case in point, my 3G grandmother Ursula Pimentel.) I've always thought of Ursula as a Scandanavian or at least Northern European woman's first name (remember the actress Ursula Andres). How did it ever get to Flores?* *John Vasconcelos* ** On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Cindy D kcci...@aol.com wrote: Arlene! This is terrific info! Margarida's birth date in this record is almost on the money, June 1879. I never had a birth day date...never found their deaths either. Anyway, family history notes that Maggie had a brother Frank. I'm guessing, but couldn't Francisco be Americanized to Frank?? This further indicates this is probably the right family. It gives me plenty to work with. I don't understand the naming process as Maria Ursula de Jesus has do Coracao in the middle. Is that a name or a place? Also, what does, From the Morros mean? Thanks again Arlene, this is just so wonderful as i've never been able to find anything on my Azorean past. I owe you coffee and a malasada. This gives me hope that I will be able to find more on the Pimentels. I know you'll think this is crazy but when I was a kid in the 50's my grandfather told us that his uncle Manuel Pimentel was hung for being a pirate, I don't know where or when or how as I didn't care back then, so I was really hoping to find out what that was all about some day. As a kid we blew off that story and laughed, but now I'm learning to pay attention to the family lore as eventually, I find there's usually a grain of truth in there. I find it oddly exciting to think I have a pirate ancestor! Arrr! Cindy D On Jun 14, 1:48�pm, Arlene Marcoux avm6...@bak.rr.com wrote: Cindy, I found this in the book, Familias da Ilha das Flores: Jos� Ant�nio Pimentel, Parents.. Ant�nio Jos� Pimentel and Maria Claudina, married Maria Ursula do Cora�o de Jesus from S. Caetano, her parents Ant�nio Caetano Martins and Maria Usula. �From the Morros. Children were: �Maria b.8/6/1876; �Francisco b.8/12/1877; �Margarida b.6/17/1879; �Ana b.2/27/1882. I am sorry but it does not list any other families that is connected to them. Arlene M. - Original Message - From: Cindy D kcci...@aol.com To: Azores Genealogy azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 8:07 AM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Flores Genealogy andDrinkingSociety I dug out my Flores family. �I don't have much to share, just scant information. �I keep hoping to be connected to someone. Here's my Flores family: Margarida Ursela Pimentel, b June 1879 in Flores, immigrated alone at age 15 to New Bedford � �(married Jose da Silva, of San Miguel, 1897, in New Bedford who later became Joseph S Sylvia) Margarida (Maggie) parents: Jose Antonia (could be Antonio) Pimentel - Flores � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � Maria Ursela Pimentel - Flores I believe Margarida had a brother Frank who married Annie Martin. That's it. �That's all I know. �I only got that from the New Bedfored marriage records. �I don't even know if Maggie's parents came here. Don't know Maggie's death date yet either but my mom thinks she was buried at St. John's in New Bedford, so I don't have a death certificate that might have had additional information. �Maggie's parents were both Pimentels? � Or did Maggie not know her mother's maiden name? �I'm dead in the water on anything further. Cindy D On the Kansas Plains On Jun 6, 11:32 pm, John Vasconcelos gfsjo...@gmail.com wrote: I've become envious of the Ponta Garca Gang and the Cabral Travassos Country Club and their good fortune in finding cousins. So I hereby establish the Flores Genealogy andDrinkingSociety. We Flores people are not so fortunate as our more easterly cousins. Flores was subject to the plunderings of Pirates and Privateers which took a toll on our ancestors and their institutions. According to historical accounts, Flores was attacked by Privateers in the mid 1600's who burned every church on the Island. As a result most records before the late 1600's were lost. Even the records on neighboring Corvo go back earlier, to the early 1600's, as I recall. The earliest documented marriage that I have discovered among my ancestors was that of Manoel Pimentel to Isabel de Freitas, Nov 26, 1692, Santa Cruz, Flores who were my 4G Grandparents (He had been married previously, in the 1680's as I recall). His parents were Domingos Nunes and Marianna Fraga, date and place of birth unknown although it was probably Santa Cruz, Flores. I
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Flores Genealogy and Drinking Society
Cindy, Yes, Francisco is Americanized to Frank. Arlene M - Original Message - From: John Vasconcelos To: azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 3:42 PM Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Flores Genealogy and Drinking Society Cindy, Sam is on the right track. Her full name was more than likely Maria Ursula do Coracao de Jesus or Maria Ursula of the (Sacred) Heart of Jesus if you translate it literally. Morros is a section of Lages Flores (ie a location name). As an aside, there seem to be a lot of Ursulas on Flores, some of them being ancestors of mine (case in point, my 3G grandmother Ursula Pimentel.) I've always thought of Ursula as a Scandanavian or at least Northern European woman's first name (remember the actress Ursula Andres). How did it ever get to Flores? John Vasconcelos On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Cindy D kcci...@aol.com wrote: Arlene! This is terrific info! Margarida's birth date in this record is almost on the money, June 1879. I never had a birth day date...never found their deaths either. Anyway, family history notes that Maggie had a brother Frank. I'm guessing, but couldn't Francisco be Americanized to Frank?? This further indicates this is probably the right family. It gives me plenty to work with. I don't understand the naming process as Maria Ursula de Jesus has do Coracao in the middle. Is that a name or a place? Also, what does, From the Morros mean? Thanks again Arlene, this is just so wonderful as i've never been able to find anything on my Azorean past. I owe you coffee and a malasada. This gives me hope that I will be able to find more on the Pimentels. I know you'll think this is crazy but when I was a kid in the 50's my grandfather told us that his uncle Manuel Pimentel was hung for being a pirate, I don't know where or when or how as I didn't care back then, so I was really hoping to find out what that was all about some day. As a kid we blew off that story and laughed, but now I'm learning to pay attention to the family lore as eventually, I find there's usually a grain of truth in there. I find it oddly exciting to think I have a pirate ancestor! Arrr! Cindy D On Jun 14, 1:48�pm, Arlene Marcoux avm6...@bak.rr.com wrote: Cindy, I found this in the book, Familias da Ilha das Flores: Jos� Ant�nio Pimentel, Parents.. Ant�nio Jos� Pimentel and Maria Claudina, married Maria Ursula do Cora�o de Jesus from S. Caetano, her parents Ant�nio Caetano Martins and Maria Usula. �From the Morros. Children were: �Maria b.8/6/1876; �Francisco b.8/12/1877; �Margarida b.6/17/1879; �Ana b.2/27/1882. I am sorry but it does not list any other families that is connected to them. Arlene M. - Original Message - From: Cindy D kcci...@aol.com To: Azores Genealogy azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 8:07 AM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Flores Genealogy andDrinkingSociety I dug out my Flores family. �I don't have much to share, just scant information. �I keep hoping to be connected to someone. Here's my Flores family: Margarida Ursela Pimentel, b June 1879 in Flores, immigrated alone at age 15 to New Bedford � �(married Jose da Silva, of San Miguel, 1897, in New Bedford who later became Joseph S Sylvia) Margarida (Maggie) parents: Jose Antonia (could be Antonio) Pimentel - Flores � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � Maria Ursela Pimentel - Flores I believe Margarida had a brother Frank who married Annie Martin. That's it. �That's all I know. �I only got that from the New Bedfored marriage records. �I don't even know if Maggie's parents came here. Don't know Maggie's death date yet either but my mom thinks she was buried at St. John's in New Bedford, so I don't have a death certificate that might have had additional information. �Maggie's parents were both Pimentels? � Or did Maggie not know her mother's maiden name? �I'm dead in the water on anything further. Cindy D On the Kansas Plains On Jun 6, 11:32 pm, John Vasconcelos gfsjo...@gmail.com wrote: I've become envious of the Ponta Garca Gang and the Cabral Travassos Country Club and their good fortune in finding cousins. So I hereby establish the Flores Genealogy andDrinkingSociety. We Flores people are not so fortunate as our more easterly cousins. Flores was subject to the plunderings of Pirates and Privateers which took a toll on our ancestors and their institutions. According to historical accounts, Flores was attacked by Privateers in the mid 1600's who burned every church on the Island. As a result most records
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Flores Genealogy and Drinking Society
Cindy, I found this in the book, Familias da Ilha das Flores: José António Pimentel, Parents.. António José Pimentel and Maria Claudina, married Maria Ursula do Coração de Jesus from S. Caetano, her parents António Caetano Martins and Maria Usula. From the Morros. Children were: Maria b.8/6/1876; Francisco b.8/12/1877; Margarida b.6/17/1879; Ana b.2/27/1882. I am sorry but it does not list any other families that is connected to them. Arlene M. - Original Message - From: Cindy D kcci...@aol.com To: Azores Genealogy azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 8:07 AM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Flores Genealogy and Drinking Society I dug out my Flores family. I don't have much to share, just scant information. I keep hoping to be connected to someone. Here's my Flores family: Margarida Ursela Pimentel, b June 1879 in Flores, immigrated alone at age 15 to New Bedford (married Jose da Silva, of San Miguel, 1897, in New Bedford who later became Joseph S Sylvia) Margarida (Maggie) parents: Jose Antonia (could be Antonio) Pimentel - Flores Maria Ursela Pimentel - Flores I believe Margarida had a brother Frank who married Annie Martin. That's it. That's all I know. I only got that from the New Bedfored marriage records. I don't even know if Maggie's parents came here. Don't know Maggie's death date yet either but my mom thinks she was buried at St. John's in New Bedford, so I don't have a death certificate that might have had additional information. Maggie's parents were both Pimentels? Or did Maggie not know her mother's maiden name? I'm dead in the water on anything further. Cindy D On the Kansas Plains On Jun 6, 11:32�pm, John Vasconcelos gfsjo...@gmail.com wrote: I've become envious of the Ponta Garca Gang and the Cabral Travassos Country Club and their good fortune in finding cousins. �So I hereby establish the Flores Genealogy and Drinking Society. �We Flores people are not so fortunate as our more easterly cousins. Flores was subject to the plunderings of Pirates and Privateers which took a toll on our ancestors and their institutions. According to historical accounts, Flores was attacked by Privateers in the mid 1600's who burned every church on the Island. As a result most records before the late 1600's were lost. Even the records on neighboring Corvo go back earlier, to the early 1600's, as I recall. The earliest documented marriage that I have discovered among my ancestors was that of Manoel Pimentel to Isabel de Freitas, Nov 26, 1692, Santa Cruz, Flores who were my 4G Grandparents (He had been married previously, in the 1680's as I recall). His parents were Domingos Nunes and Marianna Fraga, date and place of birth unknown although it was probably Santa Cruz, Flores. I would venture a guess that Marianna was related to Diogo das Chagas, whose mother was also a Fraga. Her parents were Domingos Fernandez and Catarina de Freitas. How about it, any cousins out there with these same ancestors? John Vasconcelos -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Flores Genealogy and Drinking Society
Hi all,
I have been looking at the Flores posts and wanted to throw my family
line out there to see if there were any connections.
My gg grandfather was Antonio Pedro Freitas. He was born 4 Mar 1853 in
NS Rosario, Lajes de Flores. He also had a brother Jose Freitas Pedro
who was born 8 Nov 1856. Both of them ended up immigrating to Oakland
in the late 1870's to early 1880's. Antonio's parents were Joao
Antoino de Freitas Mendonca and Maria Laurena do Sacramento. They were
married 6 Sep 1849 in Lajes de Flores. The family line for Maria
Luarena do Sacramento gets tricky. Her parents werre Pedro Jose de
Avellar and Ursula Joaquina. Pedro Jose was from Sao Pedro, Ponta
Delgada, Flores and Ursula Joaquina was from Lajes de Flores. They
were married 18 Feb 1813 in Lajes de Flores. Here is where I am having
trouble tracking the line. Both Pedro Jose and Ursula Joaquina were
pai incognitos, meaning that there is no father listed for either of
them. Pedro Jose's mother was Florenca Maria (probably also went by
Florenca de Jesus) and Ursula Joaquin'a mother was Isabel Maria. I was
able to find the birht record for Pedro Jose (16 Oct 1793 in Sao
Pedro, Ponta Delgada, Flores), and it gave me another brick wall
because it stated that his mother Florenca Maria was also a pai
incognito and there is no father listed for her. Her mother is stated
as being Maria Coelho from the Island of Corvo. Any ideas or
information would helpful on that line. As for Ursula Joaquina, I
believe I found her baptismal record from 4 Mar 1798 in Lages de
Flores, but am not totally sure it is the right one. It lists her
mother Isabel Maria and her parents Francisco Pel* (hard to tell from
the record) and Maria Pimentel. I have not been able to find anything
beyond that for them.
If someone has access to the Flores/Corvo Marriage book, would they be
able to do some lookup's?? My Mendonca line also ends up going from
Flores to Corvo at sompoint.
Thanks,
David
On Jun 11, 6:59 am, Karlushko bremen...@yahoo.com.br wrote:
Cereja = Cherry
Karlushko - Itajai/SC/Brasil - New York/USA
Pesquisando:
Alemanha, Belgica, Brasil, Luxemburgo, Italia, Portugal, Açores, Espanha
Agueda, Aguiar, André, Antunes, Arruda, Baptista, Beirao, Brasil, Bulcão,
Cardoso, Correia, Costa, Dias, Dutra, Faria, Fernandes, Ferreira, Figueiro,
Gaspar, Gato, Gomes Gonçalves, Guedes, Jorge, Leal, Lemos, Macedo, Machado,
Marques, Martins, Matos, Mello, Miranda, Moreira, Nascimento, Netto,
Nogueira, Nunes, Oliveira, Pereira, Ponte, Quadrado, Rebello, Rodrigues,
Santos, Silva, Silveira, Simão, Sodré, Souza, Vieira, Zabuya, Fiorenzano,
Bertemes, Reinert, Ottekier, Van der Gocht, de Pres, Hesse, Laux, Schumer,
Jungklaus.
--- Em qui, 10/6/10, Arlene Marcoux avm6...@bak.rr.com escreveu:
De: Arlene Marcoux avm6...@bak.rr.com
Assunto: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Flores Genealogy and Drinking Society
Para: azores@googlegroups.com
Data: Quinta-feira, 10 de Junho de 2010, 17:50
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From: eric edgar noblankt...@gmail.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 9, 2010 5:19:23 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Flores Genealogy and Drinking Society
Beverly,
Brick Wall, no more! By following Deolinda's sister Catherine, I located her
husband obit, then used his birthdate and origin in Flores to locate his
baptism in Lajedo. That was done by
looking for a similar name in the Flores e Corvo marrige book. Silvestre
Antonio Serpa, had the same name as his grandfather. Taking the guess that
they are from the same town
I located Deolinda's baptisn record on the CCA site. Then used the marriage
book to build the tree. I already had some of the ancestors in my files from
work on my Vieira family and a
friends Xavier and Novo families from the area. So here are your people:
Eric Edgar
Ancestors of Deolinda Goncalves Pedro
Generation No. 1
1. Deolinda Goncalves Pedro, born 19 Nov 1875 in Lajedo, Lajes das
Flores, Azores; died 17 Feb 1953 in Merced County, California. She was the
daughter of 2. Antonio Jose Goncalves and 3. Isabel de Jesus.
Generation No. 2
2. Antonio Jose Goncalves He was the son of 4. Antonio Furtado
Goncalves and 5. Isabel dos Santos. He married 3. Isabel de Jesus 22 Oct
1850 in Nossa Senhora dos Milagres, Lajedo das Lajes, Azores.
3. Isabel de Jesus She was the daughter of 6. Manuel Coelho Ramos
and 7. Agueda Clementina de Jesus.
Child of Antonio Goncalves and Isabel de Jesus is:
1 i. Deolinda Goncalves Pedro, born 19 Nov 1875 in
Lajedo, Lajes das Flores, Azores; died 17 Feb 1953 in Merced County,
California.
Generation No. 3
4. Antonio Furtado Goncalves He was the son of 8. Pedro Antonio
Goncalves and 9. Maria Ursula. He married 5. Isabel dos Santos 11 Oct 1827
in Nossa Senhora dos Milagres, Lajedo
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Flores Genealogy and Drinking Society
David,
The Pel on the birth record is most likely the shorthand for Pimentel. You
see this a lot in older records. Roiz for Rodrigues, Ant for Antonio, Ma for
Maria. etc
I have ancestors also that had a pai incognito and a named mother from
Corvo. With a name like Maria Coelho, you are likely at the end of the road.
Coelho is one of the most common names on Corvo, Maria, the most common
womans name.
I have the Flores marrige book here. Who are you looking for/
Eric Edgar
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 2:14 PM, Kawika322 oldschoo...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all,
I have been looking at the Flores posts and wanted to throw my family
line out there to see if there were any connections.
My gg grandfather was Antonio Pedro Freitas. He was born 4 Mar 1853 in
NS Rosario, Lajes de Flores. He also had a brother Jose Freitas Pedro
who was born 8 Nov 1856. Both of them ended up immigrating to Oakland
in the late 1870's to early 1880's. Antonio's parents were Joao
Antoino de Freitas Mendonca and Maria Laurena do Sacramento. They were
married 6 Sep 1849 in Lajes de Flores. The family line for Maria
Luarena do Sacramento gets tricky. Her parents werre Pedro Jose de
Avellar and Ursula Joaquina. Pedro Jose was from Sao Pedro, Ponta
Delgada, Flores and Ursula Joaquina was from Lajes de Flores. They
were married 18 Feb 1813 in Lajes de Flores. Here is where I am having
trouble tracking the line. Both Pedro Jose and Ursula Joaquina were
pai incognitos, meaning that there is no father listed for either of
them. Pedro Jose's mother was Florenca Maria (probably also went by
Florenca de Jesus) and Ursula Joaquin'a mother was Isabel Maria. I was
able to find the birht record for Pedro Jose (16 Oct 1793 in Sao
Pedro, Ponta Delgada, Flores), and it gave me another brick wall
because it stated that his mother Florenca Maria was also a pai
incognito and there is no father listed for her. Her mother is stated
as being Maria Coelho from the Island of Corvo. Any ideas or
information would helpful on that line. As for Ursula Joaquina, I
believe I found her baptismal record from 4 Mar 1798 in Lages de
Flores, but am not totally sure it is the right one. It lists her
mother Isabel Maria and her parents Francisco Pel* (hard to tell from
the record) and Maria Pimentel. I have not been able to find anything
beyond that for them.
If someone has access to the Flores/Corvo Marriage book, would they be
able to do some lookup's?? My Mendonca line also ends up going from
Flores to Corvo at sompoint.
Thanks,
David
On Jun 11, 6:59 am, Karlushko bremen...@yahoo.com.br wrote:
Cereja = Cherry
Karlushko - Itajai/SC/Brasil - New York/USA
Pesquisando:
Alemanha, Belgica, Brasil, Luxemburgo, Italia, Portugal, Açores, Espanha
Agueda, Aguiar, André, Antunes, Arruda, Baptista, Beirao, Brasil, Bulcão,
Cardoso, Correia, Costa, Dias, Dutra, Faria, Fernandes, Ferreira, Figueiro,
Gaspar, Gato, Gomes Gonçalves, Guedes, Jorge, Leal, Lemos, Macedo, Machado,
Marques, Martins, Matos, Mello, Miranda, Moreira, Nascimento, Netto,
Nogueira, Nunes, Oliveira, Pereira, Ponte, Quadrado, Rebello, Rodrigues,
Santos, Silva, Silveira, Simão, Sodré, Souza, Vieira, Zabuya, Fiorenzano,
Bertemes, Reinert, Ottekier, Van der Gocht, de Pres, Hesse, Laux, Schumer,
Jungklaus.
--- Em qui, 10/6/10, Arlene Marcoux avm6...@bak.rr.com escreveu:
De: Arlene Marcoux avm6...@bak.rr.com
Assunto: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Flores Genealogy and Drinking Society
Para: azores@googlegroups.com
Data: Quinta-feira, 10 de Junho de 2010, 17:50
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From: eric edgar noblankt...@gmail.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 9, 2010 5:19:23 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Flores Genealogy and Drinking Society
Beverly,
Brick Wall, no more! By following Deolinda's sister Catherine, I located
her husband obit, then used his birthdate and origin in Flores to locate his
baptism in Lajedo. That was done by
looking for a similar name in the Flores e Corvo marrige book. Silvestre
Antonio Serpa, had the same name as his grandfather. Taking the guess that
they are from the same town
I located Deolinda's baptisn record on the CCA site. Then used the
marriage book to build the tree. I already had some of the ancestors in my
files from work on my Vieira family and a
friends Xavier and Novo families from the area. So here are your people:
Eric Edgar
Ancestors of Deolinda Goncalves Pedro
Generation No. 1
1. Deolinda Goncalves Pedro, born 19 Nov 1875 in Lajedo, Lajes
das Flores, Azores; died 17 Feb 1953 in Merced County, California. She was
the daughter of 2. Antonio Jose Goncalves and 3. Isabel de Jesus.
Generation No. 2
2. Antonio Jose Goncalves He was the son of 4. Antonio Furtado
Goncalves and 5. Isabel dos Santos. He married 3. Isabel de Jesus 22 Oct
1850 in Nossa Senhora dos
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Flores Genealogy and Drinking Society
I dug out my Flores family. I don't have much to share, just scant information. I keep hoping to be connected to someone. Here's my Flores family: Margarida Ursela Pimentel, b June 1879 in Flores, immigrated alone at age 15 to New Bedford (married Jose da Silva, of San Miguel, 1897, in New Bedford who later became Joseph S Sylvia) Margarida (Maggie) parents: Jose Antonia (could be Antonio) Pimentel - Flores Maria Ursela Pimentel - Flores I believe Margarida had a brother Frank who married Annie Martin. That's it. That's all I know. I only got that from the New Bedfored marriage records. I don't even know if Maggie's parents came here. Don't know Maggie's death date yet either but my mom thinks she was buried at St. John's in New Bedford, so I don't have a death certificate that might have had additional information. Maggie's parents were both Pimentels? Or did Maggie not know her mother's maiden name? I'm dead in the water on anything further. Cindy D On the Kansas Plains On Jun 6, 11:32�pm, John Vasconcelos gfsjo...@gmail.com wrote: I've become envious of the Ponta Garca Gang and the Cabral Travassos Country Club and their good fortune in finding cousins. �So I hereby establish the Flores Genealogy and Drinking Society. �We Flores people are not so fortunate as our more easterly cousins. Flores was subject to the plunderings of Pirates and Privateers which took a toll on our ancestors and their institutions. According to historical accounts, Flores was attacked by Privateers in the mid 1600's who burned every church on the Island. As a result most records before the late 1600's were lost. Even the records on neighboring Corvo go back earlier, to the early 1600's, as I recall. The earliest documented marriage that I have discovered among my ancestors was that of Manoel Pimentel to Isabel de Freitas, Nov 26, 1692, Santa Cruz, Flores who were my 4G Grandparents (He had been married previously, in the 1680's as I recall). His parents were Domingos Nunes and Marianna Fraga, date and place of birth unknown although it was probably Santa Cruz, Flores. I would venture a guess that Marianna was related to Diogo das Chagas, whose mother was also a Fraga. Her parents were Domingos Fernandez and Catarina de Freitas. How about it, any cousins out there with these same ancestors? John Vasconcelos -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Flores Genealogy/Andre de Freitas Luzia Rodrigues
*Found another cousin. Katharine Baker and I have discovered some common ancestors. We share Andre de Freitas and Luzia Rois (Rodrigues), my 5G grandparents from Quada as common ancestors. They are listed as parents in the marriage of their daughter Isabel de Freitas to Manuel Martins (son of Joam Martins and Maria Rois from Lages), married 29 July 1743, Nossa Sra dos Remedios Anybody else connect with this couple?. * *It is my unverified suspicion that this couple may also be ancestors of Senador Andre de Freitas for whom major streets in Santa Cruz, Lages and Ponta Delgada, Flores are named. While staying at Aldeia da Cuada (a)* *(Cuada is the modern* *spelling of Quada) in 2005, I asked which house had belonged to Andre de Freitas. I was directed to an abandoned house with trees growing up through it behind some of the restored houses which they hadn't been able to acquire. The roof had collapsed but the walls were still standing and in contrast with all the typical black stone houses in Quada, had been covered with stucco. The owner had clearly been a man of means. Could it be that Senador Andre de Freitas had at one time lived there and upgraded it to befit a man of his standing?* *a) check out the web site* www.aldeiadacuada.com) -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Flores Genealogy/Pimentel
Tony: I work with a John Vasconcelos that may be about the right age; however, I think he moved to Portugal as a young child and then returned to the Bay Area as an adult. I'll ask him the next time I run into him. On Jun 7, 2010, at 9:08 AM, Tony Cardoso t...@rossettas.com wrote: John Vasconcelos: Are you related to John Vasconcelos that grew up in Sunnyvale, CA in the early to mid 70’s? I went to school with john and would like to say hello. Thanks! Tony From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Vasconcelos Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:00 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Flores Genealogy/Pimentel Cindy, I may have a lead for you. My 4G grandparents, Ursula Pimentel born Santa Cruz Flores, married to Pedro de Freitas, born Mosteiro, Flores, married 17 June 1734 in Santa Cruz Flores. Ursula died 08 Aug 1775, Caldeira, Flores. They had a lot of Freitas de Pimentel descendants (who usually went by Pimentel), many of whom I grew up with in the Fresno California area. One of their descendants is my 5th cousin Dr. David Pimentel, Professor emeritus of Cornell University who several years ago ran (and lost) on the outsider ticket for some high office in the Sierra Club. He, I believe was born in the New Bedford area. Unfortunately, I haven't ever met him. Regards, John Vasconcelos On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 6:27 AM, Cindy D - Searching Sylvia-Pimentel- Martin kcci...@aol.com wrote: Although I have not been able to find acutal documentation over there to prove it, my Pimentel side is from Flores, so pour me a glass and count me in!!! I know zero about Flores other than my mother has told me that her grandmother said it has a lot of flowers. Got a lucky break and found a marriage record in New Bedfordand it confirmed family lore that my great-grandma Maggie Pimentel (Margarida Ursela Pimentel) was indeed, from Flores. Also got her parents' names on that record. Double Score. I thought my great-grandfather was Sylvia or Silva, but no, marriage record has Da Silvawhich explains why I couldn't find much of anything for the past 3 years. Doh! Made a giant pot of cacciola and had the family in to celebrate! My family tree was written by first generation American Sylvias and a big mistake was made in hand copying (before copy machines) and listed Frank Pimentel and Annie Martin as Maggie's parents which did not agree with that New Bedford marriage record at all so it's been sitting on the back-burner for at least a year. After digging through some family papers and carefully reading all the little pencil notes on the original note paper, turns out, Frank is Maggie's brother, not father. So now it all makes sense and I can put everyone where they belong. Sheesh! Cindy D Sylvia, Pimentel, and new and improved, Da Silva, De Jesus and a Martin in-law On Jun 6, 11:32�pm, John Vasconcelos gfsjo...@gmail.com wrote: I've become envious of the Ponta Garca Gang and the Cabral Travassos Country Club and their good fortune in finding cousins. �So I her eby establish the Flores Genealogy and Drinking Society. �We Flores people are not so fortunate as our more easterly cousins. Flores was subject to the plunderings of Pirates and Privateers which took a toll on our ancestors and their institutions. According to historical accounts, Flores was attacked by Privateers in the mid 1600's who burned every church on the Island. As a result most records before the late 1600's were lost. Even the records on neighboring Corvo go back earlier, to the early 1600's, as I recall. The earliest documented marriage that I have discovered among my ancestors was that of Manoel Pimentel to Isabel de Freitas, Nov 26, 1692, Santa Cruz, Flores who were my 4G Grandparents (He had been married previously, in the 1680's as I recall). His parents were Domingos Nunes and Marianna Fraga, date and place of birth unknown although it was probably Santa Cruz, Flores. I would venture a guess that Marianna was related to Diogo das Chagas, whose mother was also a Fraga. Her parents were Domingos Fernandez and Catarina de Freitas. How about it, any cousins out there with these same ancestors? John Vasconcelos -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Flores Genealogy and Drinking Society
Although I have not been able to find acutal documentation over there to prove it, my Pimentel side is from Flores, so pour me a glass and count me in!!! I know zero about Flores other than my mother has told me that her grandmother said it has a lot of flowers. Got a lucky break and found a marriage record in New Bedfordand it confirmed family lore that my great-grandma Maggie Pimentel (Margarida Ursela Pimentel) was indeed, from Flores. Also got her parents' names on that record. Double Score. I thought my great-grandfather was Sylvia or Silva, but no, marriage record has Da Silvawhich explains why I couldn't find much of anything for the past 3 years. Doh! Made a giant pot of cacciola and had the family in to celebrate! My family tree was written by first generation American Sylvias and a big mistake was made in hand copying (before copy machines) and listed Frank Pimentel and Annie Martin as Maggie's parents which did not agree with that New Bedford marriage record at all so it's been sitting on the back-burner for at least a year. After digging through some family papers and carefully reading all the little pencil notes on the original note paper, turns out, Frank is Maggie's brother, not father. So now it all makes sense and I can put everyone where they belong. Sheesh! Cindy D Sylvia, Pimentel, and new and improved, Da Silva, De Jesus and a Martin in-law On Jun 6, 11:32�pm, John Vasconcelos gfsjo...@gmail.com wrote: I've become envious of the Ponta Garca Gang and the Cabral Travassos Country Club and their good fortune in finding cousins. �So I hereby establish the Flores Genealogy and Drinking Society. �We Flores people are not so fortunate as our more easterly cousins. Flores was subject to the plunderings of Pirates and Privateers which took a toll on our ancestors and their institutions. According to historical accounts, Flores was attacked by Privateers in the mid 1600's who burned every church on the Island. As a result most records before the late 1600's were lost. Even the records on neighboring Corvo go back earlier, to the early 1600's, as I recall. The earliest documented marriage that I have discovered among my ancestors was that of Manoel Pimentel to Isabel de Freitas, Nov 26, 1692, Santa Cruz, Flores who were my 4G Grandparents (He had been married previously, in the 1680's as I recall). His parents were Domingos Nunes and Marianna Fraga, date and place of birth unknown although it was probably Santa Cruz, Flores. I would venture a guess that Marianna was related to Diogo das Chagas, whose mother was also a Fraga. Her parents were Domingos Fernandez and Catarina de Freitas. How about it, any cousins out there with these same ancestors? John Vasconcelos -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Flores Genealogy/Pimentel
John Vasconcelos: Are you related to John Vasconcelos that grew up in Sunnyvale, CA in the early to mid 70’s? I went to school with john and would like to say hello. Thanks! Tony From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Vasconcelos Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:00 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Flores Genealogy/Pimentel Cindy, I may have a lead for you. My 4G grandparents, Ursula Pimentel born Santa Cruz Flores, married to Pedro de Freitas, born Mosteiro, Flores, married 17 June 1734 in Santa Cruz Flores. Ursula died 08 Aug 1775, Caldeira, Flores. They had a lot of Freitas de Pimentel descendants (who usually went by Pimentel), many of whom I grew up with in the Fresno California area. One of their descendants is my 5th cousin Dr. David Pimentel, Professor emeritus of Cornell University who several years ago ran (and lost) on the outsider ticket for some high office in the Sierra Club. He, I believe was born in the New Bedford area. Unfortunately, I haven't ever met him. Regards, John Vasconcelos On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 6:27 AM, Cindy D - Searching Sylvia-Pimentel-Martin kcci...@aol.com wrote: Although I have not been able to find acutal documentation over there to prove it, my Pimentel side is from Flores, so pour me a glass and count me in!!! I know zero about Flores other than my mother has told me that her grandmother said it has a lot of flowers. Got a lucky break and found a marriage record in New Bedfordand it confirmed family lore that my great-grandma Maggie Pimentel (Margarida Ursela Pimentel) was indeed, from Flores. Also got her parents' names on that record. Double Score. I thought my great-grandfather was Sylvia or Silva, but no, marriage record has Da Silvawhich explains why I couldn't find much of anything for the past 3 years. Doh! Made a giant pot of cacciola and had the family in to celebrate! My family tree was written by first generation American Sylvias and a big mistake was made in hand copying (before copy machines) and listed Frank Pimentel and Annie Martin as Maggie's parents which did not agree with that New Bedford marriage record at all so it's been sitting on the back-burner for at least a year. After digging through some family papers and carefully reading all the little pencil notes on the original note paper, turns out, Frank is Maggie's brother, not father. So now it all makes sense and I can put everyone where they belong. Sheesh! Cindy D Sylvia, Pimentel, and new and improved, Da Silva, De Jesus and a Martin in-law On Jun 6, 11:32�pm, John Vasconcelos gfsjo...@gmail.com wrote: I've become envious of the Ponta Garca Gang and the Cabral Travassos Country Club and their good fortune in finding cousins. �So I hereby establish the Flores Genealogy and Drinking Society. �We Flores people are not so fortunate as our more easterly cousins. Flores was subject to the plunderings of Pirates and Privateers which took a toll on our ancestors and their institutions. According to historical accounts, Flores was attacked by Privateers in the mid 1600's who burned every church on the Island. As a result most records before the late 1600's were lost. Even the records on neighboring Corvo go back earlier, to the early 1600's, as I recall. The earliest documented marriage that I have discovered among my ancestors was that of Manoel Pimentel to Isabel de Freitas, Nov 26, 1692, Santa Cruz, Flores who were my 4G Grandparents (He had been married previously, in the 1680's as I recall). His parents were Domingos Nunes and Marianna Fraga, date and place of birth unknown although it was probably Santa Cruz, Flores. I would venture a guess that Marianna was related to Diogo das Chagas, whose mother was also a Fraga. Her parents were Domingos Fernandez and Catarina de Freitas. How about it, any cousins out there with these same ancestors? John Vasconcelos -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:azores%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Flores Baptisms and Sao Miguel Passportes
Elaine, There are some pretty big gaps in the Sao Miguel passaportes. So if the passage is in the gap, sadly, the record doesn't exist :( The ports of Horta (closest to Flores) and of Angra are not yet online. -- Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Flores marriages
thank 2009/5/31, eric edgar noblankt...@gmail.com: Joan, The Flores marriage book files the records by parish first , then list them alphabetically by grooms first name, then grooms last name. Give me the information that way and I'll look it up. Eric Edgar On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 5:17 PM, Joan Ertrachter joan...@sbcglobal.netwrote: Would you please check for marriages for the surnames Ambrosio and Freitas/Maria-Freitas. Any help will be appreciated. Thank you, Joan-ca --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Flores marriages
Hi Joan, You might want to specify who you is as we have 650ish people on this list. Some people have books that they can do look ups in, but many are by first name. You should provide the whole name, dates, and a specific location, if possible. Your query would more likely get some type of response if you can give a little more info. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Flores marriages
Joan, The Flores marriage book files the records by parish first , then list them alphabetically by grooms first name, then grooms last name. Give me the information that way and I'll look it up. Eric Edgar On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 5:17 PM, Joan Ertrachter joan...@sbcglobal.netwrote: Would you please check for marriages for the surnames Ambrosio and Freitas/Maria-Freitas. Any help will be appreciated. Thank you, Joan-ca --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Flores research
Elaine I did not find a listing for an Antonio Pedro and Maria da Gloria in the Flores and Covro Marriages book in any parish. I also did not find any listing in the Familias das Flores book Eric On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 11:47 AM, E Sharp bellema...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Listers, I am researching a Maria Pedro b. abt. 1891 probably in Sao Miguel. I believe her mother might be Maria da Gloria. I am told she was adopted at birth by a Pedro family from Flores, but I am wondering if Maria da Gloria married an Antonio Pedro (father's name listed on death record) after the birth of Maria and after 1891. Does anyone have any of these people in their Flores research. I was told this Antonio Pedro was an architect and once visited Philadelphia. I am not sure where in Flores they lived but Fajazinha rings a bell. (I just remember it was a strange sounding name.) Thank you. E --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Flores
Jones, Unfortunately, the earliest available records for Fajazinha, Flores date from the early 1700's.My mother was from Fajazinha and it has been very frustrating for me in tracing my family tree. The earliest records I have found for the Island of Flores were marriage records in Santa Cruz in the early 1680's. In the 15 and 1600's, Flores, being the most westerly of the Azores, was a stopping place for the Spanish gold ships returning from South America. Pirates and privateers would often lay in wait in the waters of Flores to attack the returning Spanish ships and would often conduct raids on the island for water and provisions. I have read an historical account of privateers having attacked Flores in the mid 1600's and having burned every church on the island so it is not surprising that many of the early records are lost. Good luck in your search, John Vasconcelos. On 5/9/09, jones guilherme neves filho jon...@ig.com.br wrote: Looking for the descendants and ancestors of John Jachinto Rodriguez and Catharina Maria . Referring to the site http://pg.azores.gov.pt/drac/cca, got up to 05 generations. However there is no book on the site prior to 1700. What if? Jones Guilherme --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Flores
Freguesia Fajãzinha. Jones Guilherme 2009/5/10 Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com Jone, You did not give the freguesia. I do not research Flores. But those who do research Flores say there are missing records. Sometimes due to weather, or pirates, or many other things. Check the Family History Library Catalog to see how far back the records go. Or post your freguesia. Others who research there will tell you if the records exist further back. - Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Flores
This is an interesting trail of messages for me. When my husbands family left San Miguel in 1904 the passport and ships record identify them as Manoel and Gloria Jacinto (with 3 children) from Vila Franca do Campo. According to the ship record, they were sponsored by her brother Manuel Santos de Arrayal of Mendocino, CA.The family settled in Mendocino, CA yet in the 1910 census they are referred to as Manuel and Gloria Andre. We are puzzled by this and are searching for answers. If this rings a bell for anyone, would appreciate hearing. On Mar 17, 9:57 am, Besotes beso...@calwisp.com wrote: Hello Jones Guilherme - Did you have any relatives of this line immigrate to the USA? I have Jacinto Rodrigues' who immigrated from the Azores to Boston, then California. Best regards, Robin Borba Besotes Researching: Bettencourt, Borba, Barbe, Da Rosa, Jacinto, Rodrigues, Mattos California Towns: Newman, Turlock, Crowslanding, San Jose, San Juan, Tres Penos, Hollister, Watsonville, Pacific Grove --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Flores
Don't be too surprised. For some reason, our ancestors chose to use whatever name they so desired. My family is Victor, they came to this country as Machado!! Andre must have been another family name of theirs. In my case, I have yet to find a Machado in the bunch! We think it might be the family who took them in after their parents died. E On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 6:48 AM, Marcia marciaran...@gmail.com wrote: . The family settled in Mendocino, CA yet in the 1910 census they are referred to as Manuel and Gloria Andre. We are puzzled by this and are searching for answers. If this rings a bell for anyone, would appreciate hearing. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Flores
They should be. Have 56 years between their marriage (1821) and the birth of the eldest grandson in 1877. What is the relationship of the children of this couple (John and Catherine Jachinto)? And the parents of them, you have the names? Thanks for the feedback William Jones 2009/3/17 John Vasconcelos gfsjo...@gmail.com Are you sure of the dates? I have found a Joao Jacinto Rodrigues married to Catarina Maria 14 May 1821 Nossa Sra dos Remedios, Fajazinha Flores. John Vasconcelos On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 5:38 AM, jones guilherme neves filho jon...@ig.com.br wrote: Looking for: I am researching João Jachinto Rodrigues Married to Catharina Maria da Conceição He was born in Flores 1830 He had a son name of Antonio Jachinto da Silva Flores who came to Brazil Antonio Jachinto da Silva Flores had a son in 1877 in Brazil. Tank you Jones Guilherme --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Flores
Are you sure of the dates? I have found a Joao Jacinto Rodrigues married to Catarina Maria 14 May 1821 Nossa Sra dos Remedios, Fajazinha Flores. John Vasconcelos On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 5:38 AM, jones guilherme neves filho jon...@ig.com.br wrote: Looking for: I am researching João Jachinto Rodrigues Married to Catharina Maria da Conceição He was born in Flores 1830 He had a son name of Antonio Jachinto da Silva Flores who came to Brazil Antonio Jachinto da Silva Flores had a son in 1877 in Brazil. Tank you Jones Guilherme --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Flores
Hello Jones Guilherme - Did you have any relatives of this line immigrate to the USA? I have Jacinto Rodrigues' who immigrated from the Azores to Boston, then California. Best regards, Robin Borba Besotes Researching: Bettencourt, Borba, Barbe, Da Rosa, Jacinto, Rodrigues, Mattos California Towns: Newman, Turlock, Crowslanding, San Jose, San Juan, Tres Penos, Hollister, Watsonville, Pacific Grove --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: FLORES
The 1870 Yreka CA census lists the following Joseph Francis 38, b. Western Islands, miner, Amelia 26, b. Western Islands, Mary 4, Joseph 1, also living with them is Joseph M. Silva 80 Miner, b. Western Islands (so they must have married about 1865. The 1880 census in Hawkinsville, CA census lists the following: Joseph Francis Brio 45, b. Portugal Miner, wife Amelia F. b. Portugal, ch: Mary F. 13, Joseph 11, Clara 10, Johanna 7, Manuel 5, Antone 2, all have middle initial F. and all b. CA. 1900 census Yreka, CA Joseph Francis b. Jan 1830 Portugal, married 41 years, came to US 1848 NA 1852, miner, Amelia b. Mar. 1841 Portugal, 9 children born, 7 children living, came to US 1871, ch: Amelia b. May 1882 Portugal, came to US 1871, Joseph b. Jan 1884 CA, Mary b. Oct. 1885 CA, Clara b. Oct. 1887 CA, Johanna b. Sept 1888 CA, Manuel b. Nov. 1890, Henry b. Aug. 1893. Amelia b. 1882 Portugal came to US in 1871 is incorrect, this was a repeat of her mother's information. What is interesting it says mother Amelia came to US in 1871 BUT she is married to Joseph in 1870 census so this is also incorrect. Interesting he started out using Francis surname in 1870 census, and used it again in the 1900 census. In 1880, he used Brio. There was a Joseph Brio in SF in the 1870 census but he was from France. Passenger and Immigration Lists Index, 1500s-1900s about Joseph Francis, Sr. Brio Name: Joseph Francis, Sr. Brio Year: 1850 Place: Boston, Massachusetts Source Publication Code: 1820.2 Primary Immigrant: Brio, Joseph Francis, Sr. Source Bibliography: 1892 GREAT REGISTER OF SISKIYOU COUNTY, CALIFORNIA. In Genealogical Society of Siskiyou County. Vol. 12:1 (Fall 1983), p. 24 (B). Page: 24 Do you have his Naturalization papers? Marriage records? Interesting. I found this passenger list record, could be him? Boston Passenger Lists, 1820-1943 about Joseph Francis Name: Joseph Francis Arrival Date: 24 Aug 1854 Age: 22 years Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832 Gender: Male Port of Departure: Azores, Portugal Ship Name: Abby Forest Port of Arrival: Boston, Massachusetts Microfilm Roll Number: M277_48 E --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: FLORES
Thank you John, I am stumped also as are others. It seems that Brio is an Italian surname, he was definitely Azorean and born on Flores...I appreciate your help...Sorry for double posts by me...I'm new at this !!! From: John Vasconcelos gfsjo...@gmail.com To: Azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 10:29:48 PM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: FLORES FRANCIS could have originally been Francisco which is normally a first name but can be a surname. BRIO has me stumped. There is a surname Brindeiro on Flores but it is rather unlikely (but not impossible) that it would have been shortened to Brio. I'll have to think about that some more. John Vasconcelos On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 6:18 PM, Fly-By marekdelacr...@yahoo.com wrote: I am researching JOSEPH FRANCIS BRIO, JOSEPH FRANCIS, or JOSEPH BRIO.. Could also be BRAIO He was born in Flores 1832 Came to America in 1854 Granted citizenship April 24, 1854 in Boston, Mass. Came to Hawkinsville, Siskiyou County, Calif to mine for gold Passed to eternity on July 3, 1901 buried St. Joseph's Catholic Cemetery in Yreka, CA Married to a woman named Amelia...I have heard her name was Brio and his was Francis..no one really knows ANY Help greatly appreciated... Thanks --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: FLORES
FRANCIS could have originally been Francisco which is normally a first name but can be a surname. BRIO has me stumped. There is a surname Brindeiro on Flores but it is rather unlikely (but not impossible) that it would have been shortened to Brio. I'll have to think about that some more. John Vasconcelos On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 6:18 PM, Fly-By marekdelacr...@yahoo.com wrote: I am researching JOSEPH FRANCIS BRIO, JOSEPH FRANCIS, or JOSEPH BRIO.. Could also be BRAIO He was born in Flores 1832 Came to America in 1854 Granted citizenship April 24, 1854 in Boston, Mass. Came to Hawkinsville, Siskiyou County, Calif to mine for gold Passed to eternity on July 3, 1901 buried St. Joseph's Catholic Cemetery in Yreka, CA Married to a woman named Amelia...I have heard her name was Brio and his was Francis..no one really knows ANY Help greatly appreciated... Thanks --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Flores Genealogy
Al, As far as I know, the Marriages book is his most recent. I am in email contact with a cousin on Flores. I can email her and find out if he has released any new books. John Vasaconcelos -Original Message- From: bigal...@aol.com To: Azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 1:32 pm Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Flores Genealogy Does anyone know if Francisco Gomes has any new Books on genealogy of the island of Flores. I have the? books on the marriages of Flores and Corvo and the Families of the villages of Lajes and Lajedo. ? Al Sequeira New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
