[AZORES-Genealogy] Travel

[Sami]

If someone were living in Contra Costa Co.,CA and decided to just up and go 
home to the Azores, by what manner would they have left between the years 
of 1930 and 1940? Was there a direct passage from California to the Azores? 
If by ship, is there a database where I could look for the person? 
Thanks! 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Travel

[Cheri Mello]

The United States has no outbound passenger lists :(

Cheri Mello
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Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Travel

[Sami]

Rats! Do you know if a person could leave straight from California though? 
About how long would it have taken to get back home by ship?

On Friday, February 10, 2017 at 5:47:03 PM UTC-6, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> The United States has no outbound passenger lists :(
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Travel

[Cheri Mello]

Well, if they lived in California, then yes, they left from California :)

In the 1930s (Depression) they could have left by ship and went through the
Panama Canal. They could have taken a train to the east coast and then took
a ship across. I doubt they used a covered wagon, since trains would have
been the modern technology of the day and made covered wagons obsolete by
the 1900s.

As for how long the trip was in the 1930s, I don't know. I know that the
Titanic left England on April 12, 1912 and sank on the 15th. I think it was
supposed to take about a week, if I remember my trivia. The Azores are
further west than Southampton though. And it was the 1930s and I don't know
how much ship technology improved between 1912 and the 1930s. So I would
guess a week or maybe a couple of days less. Someone on this list could be
into ships and would know much more about ships than I do.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Travel

['Jeremy G. B-C' via Azores Genealogy]

The trip from New York to Sao Miguel took 5 days in 1937 (I have notes from 
an aunt). So you could compare it to that.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Travel

[Sami]

Thank you both for your reply! 

On Friday, February 10, 2017 at 6:20:17 PM UTC-6, Jeremy G. B-C wrote:
>
> The trip from New York to Sao Miguel took 5 days in 1937 (I have notes 
> from an aunt). So you could compare it to that.
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Travel to California

[Lorinda]

Does anyone have any idea how most of the Azoreans traveled to
California? I assume they took a boat from the Azores (there was no
other way off before air planes LOL), but did they complete the trip
around So. America and up to California by boat or did they disembark
in New York/Boston and travel by land to California? I've been trying
to find a passenger list with my grandfather/great-grandmother on it
but haven't had any success.

Lorinda Baker Sevenans (my grand-father Joseph Lewis (Luiz) grew up in
Fairfield, CA)

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[AZORES-Genealogy] travel/research in Lisbon

[Lorraine Price]

We're planning a trip to Lisbon this summer and would appreciate any
information about researching Azorean ancestors in Portugal.  I have reason
to believe my Azorean paternal grandfather (from Graciosa) served in the
Home Guard in Lisbon in the early 1900s.  Does anyone know of any records in
Lisbon that would document that?

Thanks for your help,

Lorraine Price

 

 

 

 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Travel to California

["E" Sharp]

Many came thru Boston, New Bedford, and Providence and made their way to
CA.  So look for ship's manifest there.  Do you have any idea when Jose Luiz
came to the US?

"E"

On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 4:07 PM, Lorinda  wrote:

> Does anyone have any idea how most of the Azoreans traveled to
> California?

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Travel to California

[David Leitz]

My grandparents came thru Providence and then took a train to California.
This was in 1920 & 1922.

Linda Leitz

On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 8:36 PM, "E" Sharp  wrote:

> Many came thru Boston, New Bedford, and Providence and made their way to
> CA.  So look for ship's manifest there.  Do you have any idea when Jose Luiz
> came to the US?
>
> "E"
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> On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 4:07 PM, Lorinda  wrote:
>
>> Does anyone have any idea how most of the Azoreans traveled to
>> California?
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Travel to California

[Karen Hillman]

Lorinda,
I have a Frank Lewis (Luis) in my family from Ribeira Seca,s.Jorge.  Any 
connection. 
Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 19, 2011, at 4:07 PM, Lorinda  wrote:

> Does anyone have any idea how most of the Azoreans traveled to
> California? I assume they took a boat from the Azores (there was no
> other way off before air planes LOL), but did they complete the trip
> around So. America and up to California by boat or did they disembark
> in New York/Boston and travel by land to California? I've been trying
> to find a passenger list with my grandfather/great-grandmother on it
> but haven't had any success.
> 
> Lorinda Baker Sevenans (my grand-father Joseph Lewis (Luiz) grew up in
> Fairfield, CA)
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Travel to California

[Debra Wolgemuth]

My great grandfather, Francisco George (Jorge) immigrated from the Azores in 
1889 and entered the US through Boston.  Today we think that Ellis Island and 
NYC was the typical entrance to the US from the Atlantic, but it wasn't always 
so.  Ellis Island began as the main East immigrant entrance point on January 1, 
1892. Francisco returned to the Azores around 1905 to bring his bride, 
Lepoldina (Lena) Freitas, to the US.  Lepoldina's entry is listed in the Ellis 
Island records.  Family stories are that Lena was also accompanied by another 
female because it wasn't proper for a woman to travel alone, assuming she 
needed supervision.  Francisco and Lepoldina were married in Fresno, CA within 
a few weeks of arriving on the West Coast by train.  Then they settled and 
built up a farm in Merced, CA.
 
The train route to California was on a northern route because there is no 
complete southern passenger route to California.  The way to travel west by 
train still uses the scenic northern route.  Many eastern cities connect to the 
huge Chicago hub, where you can continue west, or travel down to the southern 
states.  From Chicago you travel west to Martinez, CA on the California Zephyr. 
 Then you have to catch the San Joaquin train south to Stockton, Modesto, 
Denair/Turlock, Merced, Madera, Fresno, Hanford, Corcoran, Wasco and 
Bakersfield.  Many Portuguese settled in these cities along the San Joaquin 
train route. There is a southern train route to California which takes you to 
Union Station in downtown Los Angeles.  To get to the San Joaquin Valley, you 
have to board an Amtrak bus from Los Angeles, over the Grapevine (mountain 
range), and to Bakersfield.  In Bakersfield, you then get on the San Joaquin 
train to all points north.  When our ancestors immigrated from the East Coast 
there wasn't a bus line from LA to Bakersfield, so they definitely used the 
northern route. It currently takes 3 days of train travel from Boston, MA to 
Bakersfield, CA.  With potentially slower train routes 100 years ago, I wonder 
how many days it took to travel from the East to West Coasts?  The only thing I 
could find online was that it took 1 week to travel from Omaha, NE to San 
Francisco @ $65 for an adult.  Based on this, perhaps it took 2 weeks to travel 
from Boston to California? Also, the northern route (California Zephyr) uses 
most of the train lines laid by the 1st Transcontinential Railroad that we all 
learned about in elementary history.   

Debbie Wolgemuth
Researching Azoreans:  Jorge (Flores), Freitas (Flores), Enos (San Miguel), 
Silveira Matos (Faial), Rodrigues (unknown island)
Immigrated to:  Merced, CA 
 
 
> Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 16:07:45 -0700
> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Travel to California
> From: lseven...@gmail.com
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
> 
> Does anyone have any idea how most of the Azoreans traveled to
> California? I assume they took a boat from the Azores (there was no
> other way off before air planes LOL), but did they complete the trip
> around So. America and up to California by boat or did they disembark
> in New York/Boston and travel by land to California? I've been trying
> to find a passenger list with my grandfather/great-grandmother on it
> but haven't had any success.
> 
> Lorinda Baker Sevenans (my grand-father Joseph Lewis (Luiz) grew up in
> Fairfield, CA)
> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Travel to California

[Adair Borba]

Lorinda,

My relatives came in by boat to Rhode Island, and then migrated to  
Sonoma/Napa Valley.


Adair
On Oct 19, 2011, at 7:07 PM, Lorinda wrote:


Does anyone have any idea how most of the Azoreans traveled to
California? I assume they took a boat from the Azores (there was no
other way off before air planes LOL), but did they complete the trip
around So. America and up to California by boat or did they disembark
in New York/Boston and travel by land to California? I've been trying
to find a passenger list with my grandfather/great-grandmother on it
but haven't had any success.

Lorinda Baker Sevenans (my grand-father Joseph Lewis (Luiz) grew up in
Fairfield, CA)

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Travel to California

[Cakemom102]

My Grandmother, Maria de Gloria Silveira, from Faial, came by boat to the  
East Coast in 1892 and several  years later, traveled to California by  
train.  My Grandfather, Francisco Jose Luiz (Lewis) and the rest of his  family 
that followed later came "around the Horn" about the 1870's.   According to 
family lore, my Grandfather told of how dangerous the trip around  the horn 
was in those days.  Storms and lack of food and supplies were  prevalent. I 
have not been able to locate him or any of his family on any ship  manifest.
 
Mary Ann
 
 
In a message dated 10/19/2011 8:27:24 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
lseven...@gmail.com writes:

Does  anyone have any idea how most of the Azoreans traveled to
California? I  assume they took a boat from the Azores (there was no
other way off before  air planes LOL), but did they complete the trip
around So. America and up  to California by boat or did they disembark
in New York/Boston and travel  by land to California? I've been trying
to find a passenger list with my  grandfather/great-grandmother on it
but haven't had any  success.

Lorinda Baker Sevenans (my grand-father Joseph Lewis (Luiz)  grew up in
Fairfield, CA)

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Travel to California

[David Leitz]

My grandmother arrived in Providence on Nov. 1, 1922. She said she stayed
there for 2 days and then took the train to Chicago, arriving at 8 a.m.  She
had to wait until 6 p.m. for the next train to Sacramento and then to
Hanford.  She said the train took 2 days from Chicago to Sacramento. I never
thought to ask her what it cost. She arrived in Hanford on Nov. 11.

Linda Leitz

On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 11:00 PM, Debra Wolgemuth wrote:

>   My great grandfather, Francisco George (Jorge) immigrated from the
> Azores in 1889 and entered the US through Boston.  Today we think that Ellis
> Island and NYC was the typical entrance to the US from the Atlantic, but it
> wasn't always so.  Ellis Island began as the main East immigrant entrance
> point on January 1, 1892.
>
> Francisco returned to the Azores around 1905 to bring his bride, Lepoldina
> (Lena) Freitas, to the US.  Lepoldina's entry is listed in the Ellis Island
> records.  Family stories are that Lena was also accompanied by another
> female because it wasn't proper for a woman to travel alone, assuming she
> needed supervision.  Francisco and Lepoldina were married in Fresno, CA
> within a few weeks of arriving on the West Coast by train.  Then they
> settled and built up a farm in Merced, CA.
>
> The train route to California was on a northern route because there is no
> complete southern passenger route to California.  The way to travel west by
> train still uses the scenic northern route.  Many eastern cities connect to
> the huge Chicago hub, where you can continue west, or travel down to the
> southern states.  From Chicago you travel west to Martinez, CA on the
> California Zephyr.  Then you have to catch the San Joaquin train south to
> Stockton, Modesto, Denair/Turlock, Merced, Madera, Fresno, Hanford,
> Corcoran, Wasco and Bakersfield.  Many Portuguese settled in these cities
> along the San Joaquin train route.
>
> There is a southern train route to California which takes you to Union
> Station in downtown Los Angeles.  To get to the San Joaquin Valley, you have
> to board an Amtrak bus from Los Angeles, over the Grapevine (mountain
> range), and to Bakersfield.  In Bakersfield, you then get on the San Joaquin
> train to all points north.  When our ancestors immigrated from the East
> Coast there wasn't a bus line from LA to Bakersfield, so they definitely
> used the northern route.
>
> It currently takes 3 days of train travel from Boston, MA to Bakersfield,
> CA.  With potentially slower train routes 100 years ago, I wonder how many
> days it took to travel from the East to West Coasts?  The only thing I could
> find online was that it took 1 week to travel from Omaha, NE to San
> Francisco @ $65 for an adult.  Based on this, perhaps it took 2 weeks to
> travel from Boston to California?
>
> Also, the northern route (California Zephyr) uses most of the train lines
> laid by the 1st Transcontinential Railroad that we all learned about in
> elementary history.
>
>
>
> *Debbie Wolgemuth*
> Researching Azoreans:  Jorge (Flores), Freitas (Flores), Enos (San Miguel),
> Silveira Matos (Faial), Rodrigues (unknown island)
> Immigrated to:  Merced, CA
>
>
>
> > Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 16:07:45 -0700
> > Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Travel to California
> > From: lseven...@gmail.com
> > To: azores@googlegroups.com
>
> >
> > Does anyone have any idea how most of the Azoreans traveled to
> > California? I assume they took a boat from the Azores (there was no
> > other way off before air planes LOL), but did they complete the trip
> > around So. America and up to California by boat or did they disembark
> > in New York/Boston and travel by land to California? I've been trying
> > to find a passenger list with my grandfather/great-grandmother on it
> > but haven't had any success.
> >
> > Lorinda Baker Sevenans (my grand-father Joseph Lewis (Luiz) grew up in
> > Fairfield, CA)
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Travel to California

[Joanne Mercier]

Lorinda,
my Luiz family came from Lagoa (Rosario), San Miguel and mostly settled in Fall 
River, MA.  A few were thought to have moved on to CA.  Was your Great 
Grandfather from the same area?

Joanne

Joanne Medeiros Grota Mercier
Researching Bretanha (Medeiros Grota, Sousa), Lagoa (Luiz) and Rabe de Peixe 
(Martins Gouveia)




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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Travel to California

[BOBCAMSCPW]

This is a good question.  I was told that my Grandfather came to the  US in 
1920 and was poor and was 15 years old and travel by train to CA.   Not 
sure how or what trains or anything but this was told to me
 
Bob Camacho
Researching the Island of Terceira for
da  Costa, Evangelho, Pacheco, Ferriera
Researching the Island of Graciousa  for
Reis
Researching the Island of Madeira for
Camacho
Researching  Brazil for
Evangelho

 
 
In a message dated 10/20/2011 10:26:15 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
cakemom...@aol.com writes:

My Grandmother, Maria de Gloria Silveira, from Faial, came by boat to the  
East Coast in 1892 and several  years later, traveled to California  by 
train.  My Grandfather, Francisco Jose Luiz (Lewis) and the rest of  his family 
that followed later came "around the Horn" about the 1870's.   According to 
family lore, my Grandfather told of how dangerous the trip around  the horn 
was in those days.  Storms and lack of food and supplies were  prevalent. I 
have not been able to locate him or any of his family on any ship  manifest.
 
Mary Ann
 
 
In a message dated 10/19/2011 8:27:24 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
lseven...@gmail.com writes:

Does  anyone have any idea how most of the Azoreans traveled to
California? I  assume they took a boat from the Azores (there was no
other way off  before air planes LOL), but did they complete the trip
around So. America  and up to California by boat or did they disembark
in New York/Boston and  travel by land to California? I've been trying
to find a passenger list  with my grandfather/great-grandmother on it
but haven't had any  success.

Lorinda Baker Sevenans (my grand-father Joseph Lewis (Luiz)  grew up in
Fairfield, CA)

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Travel to California

[Lou Henderson]

My great grandparents on my grandmothers side, arrived in Hawaii from the Azores on May 4, 1883 on the S.S. Abergeldie,  My great grandparents on my grandfathers side arrived in Hawaii on Mar. 4, 1886 on the S.S.Stirlingshire from Madeira.  My grandparents married in Hawaii and later moved to Calif. and ended up in Fort Bragg, Calif. Their oldest son, one of my uncles, did not like the mainland and later moved back to Hawaii to raise his family, visiting the main-land periodically. For everyone:  I had someone give me the parents of my grandmothers parents, ( grandmothes side) but no dates, said it was on the Portuguese Consul Log-he and his family appear on #1496how do I access that Log?My greatgrandparents are Manuel Pereira, b. 1846 immigrated 1883 , and Maria dp Coniecao born  1854, immigrated 1883.Eliseu from S. Miguel Island saidthey were at Porto Formoso in 16, Oct. 1872Thanks for any help.Lou
On Oct 19, 2011, Lorinda  wrote:

Does anyone have any idea how most of the Azoreans traveled toCalifornia? I assume they took a boat from the Azores (there was noother way off before air planes LOL), but did they complete the triparound So. America and up to California by boat or did they disembarkin New York/Boston and travel by land to California? I've been tryingto find a passenger list with my grandfather/great-grandmother on itbut haven't had any success.Lorinda Baker Sevenans (my grand-father Joseph Lewis (Luiz) grew up inFairfield, CA)-- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.  Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive.For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."




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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Travel to California

[John Vasconcelos]

Depends on when it happened. My maternal grandfather left the island of
Flores on a whaling ship about 1869. I don't know all the details but
basically, they went around the horn of south America  and eventually ended
up hunting whales in Alaskan waters. His ship was caught in the "big freeze"
of 1871 in which ships were caught in the freezing ice and in some cases
crushed with loss of life. His ship fortunately escaped. On the way back he
jumped ship ending up in San Francisco from where he headed for Sonora in
the gold country where he got his American citizenship.He decided gold
prospecting wasn't for him and ended up herding sheep in the San Joaquin
Valley.

He eventually returned to Flores where he raised a family and lived out the
rest of his life there. Since he registered his children who were all born
on Flores with the Ameican Consulate (that make them NATURAL BORN citizens
of the US).  Two of his sons (my uncles) both immigrated to the US at the
age of 18 on American passports and settled in the Fresno California area on
the recommendation of my grandfather.

My father immigrated from Flores to the US in 1909, arriving in Boston or
New Bedford , where he had a half brother. From there he took the train to
Montana where he had two brothers who were working as ranch hands. At some
point he moved to Portland Oregon where he had a sister and brother-in-law.
Finally, he moved on th Fresno where his sister and husband had moved

In all cases travel within the US was by train.
John Vasconcelos..

On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 4:07 PM, Lorinda  wrote:

> Does anyone have any idea how most of the Azoreans traveled to
> California? I assume they took a boat from the Azores (there was no
> other way off before air planes LOL), but did they complete the trip
> around So. America and up to California by boat or did they disembark
> in New York/Boston and travel by land to California? I've been trying
> to find a passenger list with my grandfather/great-grandmother on it
> but haven't had any success.
>
> Lorinda Baker Sevenans (my grand-father Joseph Lewis (Luiz) grew up in
> Fairfield, CA)
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Travel to California

[John M Athayde]

My great-grandfather Manoel Correia Athayde came through Providence and stayed 
with his Conde cousins before heading out to the bay area of CA. He had stopped 
in Manaos in Brazil for a while before that tho and stayed with an uncle there. 
There's still family in Manaos that my Uncle met in the 1960s.

On Oct 19, 2011, at 7:07 PM, Lorinda wrote:

> Does anyone have any idea how most of the Azoreans traveled to
> California? I assume they took a boat from the Azores (there was no
> other way off before air planes LOL), but did they complete the trip
> around So. America and up to California by boat or did they disembark
> in New York/Boston and travel by land to California? I've been trying
> to find a passenger list with my grandfather/great-grandmother on it
> but haven't had any success.
> 
> Lorinda Baker Sevenans (my grand-father Joseph Lewis (Luiz) grew up in
> Fairfield, CA)
> 

John Athayde
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Travel to Pico in August

["E" Sharp]

A relative has invited my husband and I to their home in Pico the beginning
of August. We would leave out of Oakland to Terceira, I guess.  How does
one get from Terceira to Pico? Are the flights usually full this time of
year Oakland to Terceira in August?

Thanks,
"E"

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Travel NY to Ponta Delgada

["E" Sharp]

A site I belong to writes Delta has some summer fares as low as $400 basic
economy or $628 with luggage, etc. NY to Ponta Delgada.  Delta also has
flights from other US cities at other prices.  If anyone tries Delta to
P.D. will you let me know how it went? They only offer these flights a few
months in the summer but if they get enough traffic.who knows!!

Thank you. "E"

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] travel/research in Lisbon

[Cheri Mello]

Lorraine P,

You won't be able to find any basic information about your Azorean
ancestors in Lisbon.  What I mean by that is you will NOT be finding any
birth, marriage, or death information on them.

A few people on this list research mainland Portugal and have knowledge of
their records.  Their national archive is called the Torre do Tombo.

Cheri Mello
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Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] travel/research in Lisbon

[elaine sharp]

Lorraine, 

 

There is a Military Museum, I think it is Museu Nacional Militar, in Lisbon
and you might go and ask there.  I did some research there on my Lisbon
family.  Don't know if you have been to Lisbon before; if not, take the Hop
On, Hop Off Bus first.  I believe we took the City Sightseeing one.  You
will need to check where you can catch them.

 

http://www.hop-on-hop-off-bus.com/Search.aspx?Keywords=lisbon

&_$ja=cgid:3254669717|tsid:36801|cid:84565997|lid:11939071556|nw:search|crid
:32281868837|dvc:c|adp:1t1&gclid=CIq24fm7ybwCFc1qfgodZxwAMg

 

Go all the way around one time to see where everything is.  Then go around
again and get on and off to see those things you want to take in.  If memory
serves me correctly, they have a ticket that is good for a 24 hr. period.
We took it about 1 in the afternoon so that was still good till 1 in the
afternoon the next day.  We also walked all over Lisbon; sometimes it seemed
like one end to the other for hours, we also took taxi's to get to the
churches my ancestors were baptized; married in and homes they lived in..
Luckily, I still have many cousins still living in Lisbon and they took us
to many other sites in/around Lisbon and the beautiful coastline.

 

"E"

 

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Travel Agent to Lisbon needed

[Cheri Mello]

Johny Beatriz (johnybeatriz at gmail dot com) needs to go to Lisbon and
needs to make travel arrangements.  He did not state where he lived only
that he needs to go to Lisbon very soon.  If anyone has a travel agent that
they'd like to share with Johny, email him directly at the email address in
the first sentence.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Travel to Pico in August

[Cheri Mello]

I think you can get from Terceira to Pico by either boat or plane. SATA is
the inter-island carrier. There's some talk of them striking though.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 4:40 PM, "E" Sharp  wrote:

> A relative has invited my husband and I to their home in Pico the
> beginning of August. We would leave out of Oakland to Terceira, I guess.
> How does one get from Terceira to Pico? Are the flights usually full this
> time of year Oakland to Terceira in August?
>
> Thanks,
> "E"
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Travel to Pico in August

[nancy jean baptiste]

Shouldn't be any problem getting to Pico in August andyou can book with SATA 
through to Pico.


Nancy Jean


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Mello 
Sent: Friday, June 9, 2017 7:52:00 PM
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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Travel to Pico in August

I think you can get from Terceira to Pico by either boat or plane. SATA is the 
inter-island carrier. There's some talk of them striking though.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 4:40 PM, "E" Sharp 
mailto:bellema...@gmail.com>> wrote:
A relative has invited my husband and I to their home in Pico the beginning of 
August. We would leave out of Oakland to Terceira, I guess.  How does one get 
from Terceira to Pico? Are the flights usually full this time of year Oakland 
to Terceira in August?

Thanks,
"E"

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Travel to Pico in August

[E. Sharp]

Thank you for replies. Still under consideration but have to motivate the other 
half. NJ will let you know if we finally decide to make the trip if you're 
still in the area. 

"E"
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Travel to Pico in August

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

II haven't done this but know others that have taken some other carrier like 
Virgin to Boston and then take Azores/SATA to Sao Miguel... Then do an inter 
island from Sao Miguel to Pico etc.  I just watched Ron de Silva on Facebook do 
this. He was going to Flores and weather conditions there delayed him a day 
once he got to Sao Miguel. 

I'm thinking of doing that next time I go. Or I'm even thinking of taking some 
other airline to Portugal and then flying back to the Azores. I see that 
Ryanair is going to the Azores now but have not heard of anyone going. The 
reason I'm thinking of trying to minimize my time with SATA is that I've had 
more delays  Hours to overnights! Than I have had regular flights. 

It's luck of the draw with Sata!!

Susan 

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> On Jun 9, 2017, at 6:37 PM, nancy jean baptiste  
> wrote:
> 
> Shouldn't be any problem getting to Pico in August andyou can book with SATA 
> through to Pico.
> 
> 
> Nancy Jean
> 
>  
> From: azores@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Cheri 
> Mello 
> Sent: Friday, June 9, 2017 7:52:00 PM
> To: Azores Genealogy
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Travel to Pico in August
>  
> I think you can get from Terceira to Pico by either boat or plane. SATA is 
> the inter-island carrier. There's some talk of them striking though.
> 
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
>> On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 4:40 PM, "E" Sharp  wrote:
>> A relative has invited my husband and I to their home in Pico the beginning 
>> of August. We would leave out of Oakland to Terceira, I guess.  How does one 
>> get from Terceira to Pico? Are the flights usually full this time of year 
>> Oakland to Terceira in August? 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> "E" 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Travel to Pico in August

[E. Sharp]

Thanks for reminding me Susan. We have taken Ryanair lots of time within 
Europe. It is a low cost carrier but you have to pay for extras. Never had a 
problem with them.  Might just fly to London and do that. I think they might 
also do Lisbon to SM. Need to check it out. Spend a couple of days in SM and 
then to Pico. I also want to go to Flores.  And then visit with my cousins in 
Lisbon. Like I said...all I have to do is convince the other half. Maybe I can 
bribe him with a side trip to the Isle
Of Wight. 

"E"

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Travel to Pico in August

[Google User]

Have any of you already been to Pico?

I have an old buddy who went and said you have to take another boat or a
small plane from San Miguel. If so, would it be in my best interest to rent
a vehicle when there, hire a driver, or bring a folding bike to get around
( I'm an avid biker and can deal with rolling hills a plenty )

On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 6:58 PM, E. Sharp  wrote:

> Thank you for replies. Still under consideration but have to motivate the
> other half. NJ will let you know if we finally decide to make the trip if
> you're still in the area.
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Travel to Pico in August

[Liz Migliori]

I've been. Took a boat from Faial.  Flew to Fayal from SaoMiguel

Great taxi driver probably same price as renting a car

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> Have any of you already been to Pico? 
> 
> I have an old buddy who went and said you have to take another boat or a 
> small plane from San Miguel. If so, would it be in my best interest to rent a 
> vehicle when there, hire a driver, or bring a folding bike to get around ( 
> I'm an avid biker and can deal with rolling hills a plenty )
> 
>> On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 6:58 PM, E. Sharp  wrote:
>> Thank you for replies. Still under consideration but have to motivate the 
>> other half. NJ will let you know if we finally decide to make the trip if 
>> you're still in the area.
>> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Travel from Azores to West Coast or West Coast to Azor...

[GraceFalcone]

 
thank-you mary this is exactly the kind of information I was looking  for.  
Most of my azorean ancestors settled in Fall River, Swansea, and New  
Bedford.  In my attempts to locate any that may have headed West.  I  am 
fascinated with how our azorean peoples migrated with little to nothing after  
leaving the islands and got to California and elsewhere.  best, grace
 
In a message dated 1/23/2011 7:04:02 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
geneal...@hununu.org writes:



On Jan 23, 2011, at 2:19 PM, _gracefalcone@aol.com_ 
(mailto:gracefalc...@aol.com)  wrote:


(3) Any thing else of interest you may have regarding  this journey would 
be helpful.


I am not sure this is what you are looking for but...


My great grandfather (from Sao Jorge) came to Massachusetts around 1871  
and worked several years there before coming to California. When he did, he  
came by train and he told my mother that the Indians "played tricks" on the  
train as they were passing by.


Mary Bordi 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Travel from Azores to West Coast or West Coast to Azor...

[GraceFalcone]

 
Thank-you Cheri,  
 
FYI.
The French had attempted construction of a canal in the 1880s, the Panama  
Canal was successfully built from 1904 to 1914.
_http://www.eclipse.co.uk/~sl5763/panama.htm_ 
(http://www.eclipse.co.uk/~sl5763/panama.htm) 
 
Have looked at a few of my Azorean history books, revealing nothing  
specific.  Will follow-thru on some of your suggestions.  best,  grace
 
 
 
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Grace,

To clarify the time period (and I'm not a  transportation history buff), 
would before air travel be before WWII?   When did air travel become feasible 
for the average American (or  Canadian?)  So are you saying maybe from 1850s 
to the 1950s?

I  know some disembarked on the east coast and took trains.  Mine did that  
in the very early 1900s.  I don't know the year of the Panama Canal off  
the top of my head, but I know many sailed around the horn before it was  
opened.  Some of the early ones probably joined wagon trains.

I  don't know of the train or ship ports.  Maybe others on this list  
knows.  If it wasn't too far and before the automobile, I suppose some  were 
just 
picked up by horse and buggy and brought to the home where they were  going 
to live.  

The routes are going to depend heavily on the  time period.  You might want 
to google "american migration trails" or  "american migration routes" to 
find information.

Sorry I'm not of more  help.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Travel from Azores to West Coast or West Coast to Azor...

[GraceFalcone]

 
Thank-you so much Celeste!!  This if very good information.   best, grace 
falcone 
 
In a message dated 1/23/2011 7:03:11 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
ccgran...@yahoo.com writes:

My maternal grandmother, Maria Jose Ferreira Dinis, traveled from  Terceira 
via white Star Line, S.S. Cretic to the US in 1915.  She  is the one I 
could not find entering via Ellis Island.  
 
Elaine found her entering via the port of Boston.  She was  going to: "her 
father, Joao Ferreira Dinis; in Holt Station, San  Joaquim."  Her father was 
working in San Gregorio which is half way  between Half Moon Bay and Santa 
Cruz on the California border with the  Pacific Ocean.
 
I found someone who worked for the railroad and asked about Holt  Station.  
I was told that was a station in 1915 just outside  Stockton, CA.  I have 
not followed up on that information to see if  the station still exists.  
 
I also have a complicated story about my maternal grandfather;  however, he 
left Lisbon for the US in 1913.  
 
Celeste, Hayward, CA
Celeste Perry  ccgran...@yahoo.com

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Travel from Azores to West Coast or West Coast to Azor...

[Mary Bordi]

Something else I should have added to my post about my great  
grandfather coming by train from Massachusetts to California is that  
we are fairly certain that he already had at least one brother and  
maybe cousins here in California. He only stayed in Massachusetts to  
pay off his passage to the US. I really would like to know who the  
first one was who came and maybe I will find out someday.


Mary Bordi

On Jan 23, 2011, at 7:52 PM, gracefalc...@aol.com wrote:

thank-you mary this is exactly the kind of information I was looking  
for.  Most of my azorean ancestors settled in Fall River, Swansea,  
and New Bedford.  In my attempts to locate any that may have headed  
West.  I am fascinated with how our azorean peoples migrated with  
little to nothing after leaving the islands and got to California  
and elsewhere.  best, grace


In a message dated 1/23/2011 7:04:02 P.M. Central Standard Time, geneal...@hununu.org 
 writes:


On Jan 23, 2011, at 2:19 PM, gracefalc...@aol.com wrote:

(3) Any thing else of interest you may have regarding this journey  
would be helpful.


I am not sure this is what you are looking for but...

My great grandfather (from Sao Jorge) came to Massachusetts around  
1871 and worked several years there before coming to California.  
When he did, he came by train and he told my mother that the Indians  
"played tricks" on the train as they were passing by.


Mary Bordi


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Travel from Azores to West Coast or West Coast to Azor...

[cakemom102]

My grandmother, Maria de Gloria Silveira from Praia do Almoxirife in Faial, 
came to Massachusetts in 1892.  She lived there for about 8 years and then she 
lost her job in one of the mills.  Her uncle, Manuel Vargas, lived here in 
Sacramento and he was friends with Francisco Jose Luis who had just lost his 
wife and was from Pedra Miguel a nearby area in the Faial.  My grandmother was 
in her late twenties and not married.  When she wrote and told her uncle that 
she had lost her job, I'm guessing he told her to come west and meet this 
widower he knew.  She came across country by train and told my aunt that train 
robbers had tried to stop the train.  She arrived in Sacramento and shortly 
after married my grandfather, Francisco Jose Luis and became step-mother to his 
6 almost grown children.  She had 4 children of her own, two of which died in 
infancy.  

Mary Ann M.






-Original Message-
From: Mary Bordi 
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Sent: Mon, Jan 24, 2011 10:18 am
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Travel from Azores to West Coast or West Coast 
to Azor...


Something else I should have added to my post about my great grandfather coming 
by train from Massachusetts to California is that we are fairly certain that he 
already had at least one brother and maybe cousins here in California. He only 
stayed in Massachusetts to pay off his passage to the US. I really would like 
to know who the first one was who came and maybe I will find out someday. 


Mary Bordi


On Jan 23, 2011, at 7:52 PM, gracefalc...@aol.com wrote:



thank-you mary this is exactly the kind of information I was looking for.  Most 
of my azorean ancestors settled in Fall River, Swansea, and New Bedford.  In my 
attempts to locate any that may have headed West.  I am fascinated with how our 
azorean peoples migrated with little to nothing after leaving the islands and 
got to California and elsewhere.  best, grace
 
In a message dated 1/23/2011 7:04:02 P.M. Central Standard Time, 
geneal...@hununu.org writes:


On Jan 23, 2011, at 2:19 PM, gracefalc...@aol.com wrote:


(3) Any thing else of interest you may have regarding this journey would be 
helpful.


I am not sure this is what you are looking for but...


My great grandfather (from Sao Jorge) came to Massachusetts around 1871 and 
worked several years there before coming to California. When he did, he came by 
train and he told my mother that the Indians "played tricks" on the train as 
they were passing by.


Mary Bordi 




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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Travel from Azores to West Coast or West Coast to Azor...

[Eric Gomes]

My great grandparents (grandfather's parents) Victorino (B:Nov 17, 1883, d Jan. 
1951) and Mary Gomes traveled through "the horn" to Honolulu, HI in 1906.  

My Great-great grandparents Manuel and Mary Rodrigues traveled through "the 
horn" between 1887 and 1889.  

I have not researched the ship records for when the Cabral side of the family 
made the same trip, however both of my great grandmother from the Cabral and my 
great grandfather from th Rodrigues side (mentioned in the previous pargraph) 
were born in Hawaii.  

I wonder if there are relatives in the tree that immigrated to the East Coast 
instead of Hawaii.  But that is for another thread.  

Eric Gomes
Castro Valley, CA


On Jan 24, 2011, at 11:11 AM, cakemom...@aol.com wrote:

> My grandmother, Maria de Gloria Silveira from Praia do Almoxirife in Faial, 
> came to Massachusetts in 1892.  She lived there for about 8 years and then 
> she lost her job in one of the mills.  Her uncle, Manuel Vargas, lived here 
> in Sacramento and he was friends with Francisco Jose Luis who had just lost 
> his wife and was from Pedra Miguel a nearby area in the Faial.  My 
> grandmother was in her late twenties and not married.  When she wrote and 
> told her uncle that she had lost her job, I'm guessing he told her to come 
> west and meet this widower he knew.  She came across country by train and 
> told my aunt that train robbers had tried to stop the train.  She arrived in 
> Sacramento and shortly after married my grandfather, Francisco Jose Luis and 
> became step-mother to his 6 almost grown children.  She had 4 children of her 
> own, two of which died in infancy. 
>  
> Mary Ann M.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Mary Bordi 
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Mon, Jan 24, 2011 10:18 am
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Travel from Azores to West Coast or West 
> Coast to Azor...
> 
> Something else I should have added to my post about my great grandfather 
> coming by train from Massachusetts to California is that we are fairly 
> certain that he already had at least one brother and maybe cousins here in 
> California. He only stayed in Massachusetts to pay off his passage to the US. 
> I really would like to know who the first one was who came and maybe I will 
> find out someday.
> 
> Mary Bordi
> 
> On Jan 23, 2011, at 7:52 PM, gracefalc...@aol.com wrote:
> 
>> thank-you mary this is exactly the kind of information I was looking for.  
>> Most of my azorean ancestors settled in Fall River, Swansea, and New 
>> Bedford.  In my attempts to locate any that may have headed West.  I am 
>> fascinated with how our azorean peoples migrated with little to nothing 
>> after leaving the islands and got to California and elsewhere.  best, grace
>>  
>> In a message dated 1/23/2011 7:04:02 P.M. Central Standard Time, 
>> geneal...@hununu.org writes:
>> 
>> On Jan 23, 2011, at 2:19 PM, gracefalc...@aol.com wrote:
>> 
>>> (3) Any thing else of interest you may have regarding this journey would be 
>>> helpful.
>> 
>> I am not sure this is what you are looking for but...
>> 
>> My great grandfather (from Sao Jorge) came to Massachusetts around 1871 and 
>> worked several years there before coming to California. When he did, he came 
>> by train and he told my mother that the Indians "played tricks" on the train 
>> as they were passing by.
>> 
>> Mary Bordi 
>> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Travel from Azores to West Coast or West Coast to Azor...

[Cakemom102]

My aunt always told the story of how the rest of my  grandfather's family, 
probably in the 1880's, and that they came around the  Horn.  I have never 
found where they disembarked, but I am thinking it had  to be around San 
Francisco, since my grandfather was in Sacramento.
 
Mary Ann M.
 
 
In a message dated 1/24/2011 8:05:16 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
gomes.ances...@gmail.com writes:

My great grandparents (grandfather's parents) Victorino (B:Nov 17, 1883,  d 
Jan. 1951) and Mary Gomes traveled through "the horn" to Honolulu, HI in  
1906.  


My Great-great grandparents Manuel and Mary Rodrigues traveled through  
"the horn" between 1887 and 1889.  


I have not researched the ship records for when the Cabral side of the  
family made the same trip, however both of my great grandmother from the  
Cabral and my great grandfather from th Rodrigues side (mentioned in the  
previous pargraph) were born in Hawaii.  


I wonder if there are relatives in the tree that immigrated to the East  
Coast instead of Hawaii.  But that is for another thread.  


Eric Gomes
Castro Valley, CA




On Jan 24, 2011, at 11:11 AM, _cakemom102@aol.com_ 
(mailto:cakemom...@aol.com)  wrote:





My grandmother, Maria de Gloria Silveira from Praia do Almoxirife  in 
Faial, came to Massachusetts in   She lived there for about 8  years and 
then she lost her job in one of the mills.  Her uncle, Manuel  Vargas, lived 
here in Sacramento and he was friends with Francisco Jose Luis  who had just 
lost his wife and was from Pedra Miguel a nearby area in the  Faial.  My 
grandmother was in her late twenties and not married.   When she wrote and told 
her uncle that she had lost her job, I'm guessing he  told her to come west 
and meet this widower he knew.  She came across  country by train and told 
my aunt that train robbers had tried to stop the  train.  She arrived in 
Sacramento and shortly after married my  grandfather, Francisco Jose Luis and 
became step-mother to his 6 almost  grown children.  She had 4 children of her 
own, two of which died in  infancy.  
 
Mary Ann M.





-Original  Message-
From: Mary Bordi <_genealogy@hununu.org_ (mailto:geneal...@hununu.org) >
To: _azores@googlegroups.com_ (mailto:azores@googlegroups.com) 
Sent:  Mon, Jan 24, 2011 10:18 am
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Travel from  Azores to West Coast or West 
Coast to Azor...

Something else I  should have added to my post about my great grandfather 
coming by train from  Massachusetts to California is that we are fairly 
certain that he already  had at least one brother and maybe cousins here in 
California. He only  stayed in Massachusetts to pay off his passage to the US. 
I 
really would  like to know who the first one was who came and maybe I will 
find out  someday.  


Mary Bordi


On Jan 23, 2011, at 7:52 PM, _gracefalcone@aol.com_ 
(mailto:gracefalc...@aol.com)   wrote:



 
thank-you mary this is exactly the kind of information I was looking  for.  
Most of my azorean ancestors settled in Fall River, Swansea,  and New 
Bedford.  In my attempts to locate any that may have headed  West.  I am 
fascinated with how our azorean peoples migrated with  little to nothing after 
leaving the islands and got to California and  elsewhere.  best, grace
 
In a message dated 1/23/2011 7:04:02 P.M. Central Standard Time, 
_genealogy@hununu.org_ (mailto:geneal...@hununu.org)   writes:



On Jan 23, 2011, at 2:19 PM, _gracefalcone@aol.com_ 
(mailto:gracefalc...@aol.com)   wrote:


(3) Any thing else of interest you may have  regarding this journey would 
be  helpful.


I am not sure this is what you are looking for but...


My great grandfather (from Sao Jorge) came to Massachusetts around  1871 
and worked several years there before coming to California. When he  did, he 
came by train and he told my mother that the Indians "played  tricks" on the 
train as they were passing by.


Mary Bordi 



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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Travel from Azores to West Coast or West Coast to Azor...

[Mary Bordi]

On Jan 25, 2011, at 10:32 AM, cakemom...@aol.com wrote:

My aunt always told the story of how the rest of my grandfather's  
family, probably in the 1880's, and that they came around the Horn.   
I have never found where they disembarked, but I am thinking it had  
to be around San Francisco, since my grandfather was in Sacramento.


I am in the same "boat". My g-grandmother always said that the trip  
from the Azores (mid 1880s) took three months and she was violently  
seasick the whole time. We always thought she had come around the horn  
to California. But I have also not found any indication that this is  
true.


My g-grandfather--who probably was not acquainted with her since he  
left the Azores when she was around a year old--paid her way. He is  
the one (I mentioned earlier) who came to the Boston area and then a  
few years later across the US via train.


I have wondered if G-grandma came to the east coast or really did come  
around the horn (perhaps through Hawaii?) but I have not been able to  
find her on any ship or passport list.


Mary Bordi

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Travel from Azores to West Coast or West Coast to Azor...

[GraceFalcone]

 
 
Thank-you for all your fascinating stories.  
 
best, grace falcone
 
Family names-Pacheco Santana, Moniz, Cabral, Carvalho,  da Costa Canario, 
Vieira, de Silva, Tavares, Arruda  (villages-Furnas,  Maia, Porto 
Formosa-Riberia Grande and Sao Pedro-Nordestinho, Sao Miguel,  Azores) 

 
 
 
In a message dated 1/25/2011 12:33:35 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
cakemom...@aol.com writes:

My aunt always told the story of how the rest of my  grandfather's family, 
probably in the 1880's, and that they came around the  Horn.  I have never 
found where they disembarked, but I am thinking it  had to be around San 
Francisco, since my grandfather was in  Sacramento.
 
Mary Ann M.
 
 
In a message dated 1/24/2011 8:05:16 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
gomes.ances...@gmail.com writes:

My great grandparents (grandfather's parents) Victorino (B:Nov 17,  1883, d 
Jan. 1951) and Mary Gomes traveled through "the horn" to Honolulu,  HI in 
1906.  


My Great-great grandparents Manuel and Mary Rodrigues traveled through  
"the horn" between 1887 and 1889.  


I have not researched the ship records for when the Cabral side of the  
family made the same trip, however both of my great grandmother from the  
Cabral and my great grandfather from th Rodrigues side (mentioned in the  
previous pargraph) were born in Hawaii.  


I wonder if there are relatives in the tree that immigrated to the East  
Coast instead of Hawaii.  But that is for another thread.  


Eric Gomes
Castro Valley, CA




On Jan 24, 2011, at 11:11 AM, _cakemom102@aol.com_ 
(mailto:cakemom...@aol.com)  wrote:





My grandmother, Maria de Gloria Silveira from Praia do  Almoxirife in 
Faial, came to Massachusetts in   She lived there  for about 8 years and 
then she lost her job in one of the mills.  Her  uncle, Manuel Vargas, lived 
here in Sacramento and he was friends with  Francisco Jose Luis who had just 
lost his wife and was from Pedra Miguel a  nearby area in the Faial.  My 
grandmother was in her late twenties  and not married.  When she wrote and told 
her uncle that she had lost  her job, I'm guessing he told her to come west 
and meet this widower he  knew.  She came across country by train and told 
my aunt that train  robbers had tried to stop the train.  She arrived in 
Sacramento and  shortly after married my grandfather, Francisco Jose Luis and 
became  step-mother to his 6 almost grown children.  She had 4 children of  
her own, two of which died in infancy.  
 
Mary Ann M.





-Original  Message-
From: Mary Bordi <_genealogy@hununu.org_ (mailto:geneal...@hununu.org) >
To: _azores@googlegroups.com_ (mailto:azores@googlegroups.com) 
Sent:  Mon, Jan 24, 2011 10:18 am
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Travel from  Azores to West Coast or West 
Coast to Azor...

Something else I  should have added to my post about my great grandfather 
coming by train  from Massachusetts to California is that we are fairly 
certain that he  already had at least one brother and maybe cousins here in 
California. He  only stayed in Massachusetts to pay off his passage to the US. 
I 
really  would like to know who the first one was who came and maybe I will 
find  out someday.  


Mary Bordi


On Jan 23, 2011, at 7:52 PM, _gracefalcone@aol.com_ 
(mailto:gracefalc...@aol.com)   wrote:



 
thank-you mary this is exactly the kind of information I was  looking for.  
Most of my azorean ancestors settled in Fall River,  Swansea, and New 
Bedford.  In my attempts to locate any that may  have headed West.  I am 
fascinated with how our azorean peoples  migrated with little to nothing after 
leaving the islands and got to  California and elsewhere.  best, grace
 
In a message dated 1/23/2011 7:04:02 P.M. Central Standard Time, 
_genealogy@hununu.org_ (mailto:geneal...@hununu.org)   writes:



On Jan 23, 2011, at 2:19 PM, _gracefalcone@aol.com_ 
(mailto:gracefalc...@aol.com)   wrote:


(3) Any thing else of interest you may have  regarding this journey would 
be  helpful.


I am not sure this is what you are looking for but...


My great grandfather (from Sao Jorge) came to Massachusetts  around 1871 
and worked several years there before coming to  California. When he did, he 
came by train and he told my mother that  the Indians "played tricks" on the 
train as they were passing  by.


Mary Bordi 



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[AZORES-Genealogy] Travel from Azores to West Coast or West Coast to Azores (mode of travel)

[GraceFalcone]

Before air travel and not counting those that sailed the whaling boats,  
when our Azorean ancestors traveled from the Azores to United States I am  
assuming most of them un boarded on the east coast (New Bedford, Boston, New  
York) and took a train to the west coast. 
 
(1) Were the train stations near the ports?   
 
(2) What routes did most of them take to get across the United States to  
get to their destinations.   
 
(3) Any thing else of interest you may have regarding this journey would be 
 helpful.  
 
thank-you for your time.
 
grace falcone
 
Family names-Pacheco Santana, Moniz, Cabral, Carvalho, da Costa Canario,  
Vieira de Silva, Tavares, Arruda  (villages-Furnas, Maia, Porto  
Formosa-Riberia Grande and Sao Pedro-Nordestinho, Sao Miguel, Azores) 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Travel from Azores to West Coast or West Coast to Azores (mode of travel)

[Cheri Mello]

Grace,

To clarify the time period (and I'm not a transportation history buff),
would before air travel be before WWII?  When did air travel become feasible
for the average American (or Canadian?)  So are you saying maybe from 1850s
to the 1950s?

I know some disembarked on the east coast and took trains.  Mine did that in
the very early 1900s.  I don't know the year of the Panama Canal off the top
of my head, but I know many sailed around the horn before it was opened.
Some of the early ones probably joined wagon trains.

I don't know of the train or ship ports.  Maybe others on this list knows.
If it wasn't too far and before the automobile, I suppose some were just
picked up by horse and buggy and brought to the home where they were going
to live.

The routes are going to depend heavily on the time period.  You might want
to google "american migration trails" or "american migration routes" to find
information.

Sorry I'm not of more help.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Travel from Azores to West Coast or West Coast to Azores (mode of travel)

[celeste perry]

My maternal grandmother, Maria Jose Ferreira Dinis, traveled from Terceira via 
white Star Line, S.S. Cretic to the US in 1915.  She is the one I could not 
find entering via Ellis Island.  
 
Elaine found her entering via the port of Boston.  She was going to: "her 
father, Joao Ferreira Dinis; in Holt Station, San Joaquim."  Her father was 
working in San Gregorio which is half way between Half Moon Bay and Santa Cruz 
on the California border with the Pacific Ocean.
 
I found someone who worked for the railroad and asked about Holt Station.  I 
was told that was a station in 1915 just outside Stockton, CA.  I have not 
followed up on that information to see if the station still exists.  
 
I also have a complicated story about my maternal grandfather; however, he left 
Lisbon for the US in 1913.  
 
Celeste, Hayward, CA
Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com

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helpful.  


  

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Travel from Azores to West Coast or West Coast to Azores (mode of travel)

[Mary Bordi]

On Jan 23, 2011, at 2:19 PM, gracefalc...@aol.com wrote:

(3) Any thing else of interest you may have regarding this journey  
would be helpful.


I am not sure this is what you are looking for but...

My great grandfather (from Sao Jorge) came to Massachusetts around  
1871 and worked several years there before coming to California. When  
he did, he came by train and he told my mother that the Indians  
"played tricks" on the train as they were passing by.


Mary Bordi

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Travel from Azores to West Coast or West Coast to Azores (mode of travel)

[John Vasconcelos]

On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 2:19 PM,  wrote:

>  Before air travel and not counting those that sailed the whaling boats,
> when our Azorean ancestors traveled from the Azores to United States I am
> assuming most of them un boarded on the east coast (New Bedford, Boston, New
> York) and took a train to the west coast.
>
> (1) Were the train stations near the ports?
>
> (2) What routes did most of them take to get across the United States to
> get to their destinations.
>
> (3) Any thing else of interest you may have regarding this journey would be
> helpful.
>
> thank-you for your time.
>
> grace falcone
>
> Family names-Pacheco Santana, Moniz, Cabral, Carvalho, da Costa Canario,
> Vieira de Silva, Tavares, Arruda  (villages-Furnas, Maia, Porto
> Formosa-Riberia Grande and Sao Pedro-Nordestinho, Sao Miguel, Azores)
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Travel from Azores to West Coast or West Coast to Azores (mode of travel)

[eric edgar]

Celeste.

Holt is still there on  Roberts Island on Highway 4 a few miles west of
Stockton. It was the stop for the factory of Holt Manufacturing Company.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holt_Manufacturing_Company

This was a major asparagus farming area. There were large numbers of
seasonal workers required, so labor brokers in Oakland and other areas
advertised in the Portuguese community
for workers.

Eric Edgar

On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 5:02 PM, celeste perry  wrote:

>   My maternal grandmother, Maria Jose Ferreira Dinis, traveled from
> Terceira via white Star Line, S.S. Cretic to the US in 1915.  She is the one
> I could not find entering via Ellis Island.
>
> Elaine found her entering via the port of Boston.  She was going to: "her
> father, Joao Ferreira Dinis; in Holt Station, San Joaquim."  Her father was
> working in San Gregorio which is half way between Half Moon Bay and Santa
> Cruz on the California border with the Pacific Ocean.
>
> I found someone who worked for the railroad and asked about Holt Station.
> I was told that was a station in 1915 just outside Stockton, CA.  I have not
> followed up on that information to see if the station still exists.
>
> I also have a complicated story about my maternal grandfather; however, he
> left Lisbon for the US in 1913.
>
> Celeste, Hayward, CA
> Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com
>
>
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>
> (3) Any thing else of interest you may have regarding this journey would be
> helpful.
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Travel from Azores to West Coast or West Coast to Azores (mode of travel)

[Jacki G.]

I don't know if most of them came via the east coast or not, but my great
grandfather, Francisco Medeiros entered the US at Boston and then traveled
by train to Calif. in about 1904. He came from Cedros, Faial. He established
a ranch in the Briones Valley near Martinez, Ca with his father before
sending for my great grandmother, my grandfather (who was 7) and his brother
and sister in 1906. I found the ships records for them and it says that my
g-grandmother was coming here to join her husband in Martinez, Contra Costa
County, CA. I don't know exactly when they took the train to Calif but I
don't think it was very long after they arrived. My grandfather had cousins
who lived/live in Mass so they may have stayed and visited for a few weeks
first. My grandfather told me that the train ride was a great adventure for
him. I doubt my g-grandmother felt the same way though; riding a train all
the way accross the US without a man and 3 small children in tow. I have
such respect and awe for the bravery of these people coming here and all
they had to endure to start a new life.
 
Jacki Gentry 
  
Pittsburg, CA 
Surnames: Medeiros, Fernandes, Pereira, Pacheco, Machado, Azevedo 
Islands: Cedros, Faial and Faja de Cima, Sao Miguel

  _  

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Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 2:19 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Travel from Azores to West Coast or West Coast
to Azores (mode of travel)


Before air travel and not counting those that sailed the whaling boats, when
our Azorean ancestors traveled from the Azores to United States I am
assuming most of them un boarded on the east coast (New Bedford, Boston, New
York) and took a train to the west coast. 
 
(1) Were the train stations near the ports?   
 
(2) What routes did most of them take to get across the United States to get
to their destinations.   
 
(3) Any thing else of interest you may have regarding this journey would be
helpful.  
 
thank-you for your time.
 
grace falcone
 
Family names-Pacheco Santana, Moniz, Cabral, Carvalho, da Costa Canario,
Vieira de Silva, Tavares, Arruda  (villages-Furnas, Maia, Porto
Formosa-Riberia Grande and Sao Pedro-Nordestinho, Sao Miguel, Azores) 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Travel from Azores to West Coast or West Coast to Azores (mode of travel)

[Debra Wolgemuth]

My great grandmother traveled from the Azores to California, entered through 
Ellis Island and took the train across the country to California.  My mother 
recalls that my great grandfather paid for a female traveling companion to 
escort Lena to California, because it was not proper for a lady to travel alone.

Debbie Wolgemuth
Researching Azoreans:  Jorge (Flores), Freitas (Flores), Enos (San Miguel), 
Silveira Matos (Faial), Rodrigues (unknown)
Immigrated to:  Merced, CA 
 



From: ja...@cdmmarketing.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Travel from Azores to West Coast or West Coast 
to Azores (mode of travel)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 19:11:53 -0800



I don't know if most of them came via the east coast or not, but my great 
grandfather, Francisco Medeiros entered the US at Boston and then traveled by 
train to Calif. in about 1904. He came from Cedros, Faial. He established a 
ranch in the Briones Valley near Martinez, Ca with his father before sending 
for my great grandmother, my grandfather (who was 7) and his brother and sister 
in 1906. I found the ships records for them and it says that my g-grandmother 
was coming here to join her husband in Martinez, Contra Costa County, CA. I 
don't know exactly when they took the train to Calif but I don't think it was 
very long after they arrived. My grandfather had cousins who lived/live in Mass 
so they may have stayed and visited for a few weeks first. My grandfather told 
me that the train ride was a great adventure for him. I doubt my g-grandmother 
felt the same way though; riding a train all the way accross the US without a 
man and 3 small children in tow. I have such respect and awe for the bravery of 
these people coming here and all they had to endure to start a new life.
 
Jacki Gentry 
  
Pittsburg, CA 
Surnames: Medeiros, Fernandes, Pereira, Pacheco, Machado, Azevedo 
Islands: Cedros, Faial and Faja de Cima, Sao Miguel



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Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 2:19 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Travel from Azores to West Coast or West Coast to 
Azores (mode of travel)



Before air travel and not counting those that sailed the whaling boats, when 
our Azorean ancestors traveled from the Azores to United States I am assuming 
most of them un boarded on the east coast (New Bedford, Boston, New York) and 
took a train to the west coast. 
 
(1) Were the train stations near the ports?   
 
(2) What routes did most of them take to get across the United States to get to 
their destinations.   
 
(3) Any thing else of interest you may have regarding this journey would be 
helpful.  
 
thank-you for your time.
 
grace falcone
 
Family names-Pacheco Santana, Moniz, Cabral, Carvalho, da Costa Canario, Vieira 
de Silva, Tavares, Arruda  (villages-Furnas, Maia, Porto Formosa-Riberia Grande 
and Sao Pedro-Nordestinho, Sao Miguel, Azores) 
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[gracefalcone]

He was a good man!!  grace





-Original Message-
From: Debra Wolgemuth 
To: Azores Genealogy 
Sent: Fri, Jan 28, 2011 3:25 am
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Travel from Azores to West Coast or West Coast 
to Azores (mode of travel)


My great grandmother traveled from the Azores to California, entered through 
Ellis Island and took the train across the country to California.  My mother 
recalls that my great grandfather paid for a female traveling companion to 
escort Lena to California, because it was not proper for a lady to travel alone.

Debbie Wolgemuth
Researching Azoreans:  Jorge (Flores), Freitas (Flores), Enos (San Miguel), 
Silveira Matos (Faial), Rodrigues (unknown)
Immigrated to:  Merced, CA 
 



From: ja...@cdmmarketing.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Travel from Azores to West Coast or West Coast 
to Azores (mode of travel)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 19:11:53 -0800


I don't know if most of them came via the east coast or not, but my great 
grandfather, Francisco Medeiros entered the US at Boston and then traveled by 
train to Calif. in about 1904. He came from Cedros, Faial. He established a 
ranch in the Briones Valley near Martinez, Ca with his father before sending 
for my great grandmother, my grandfather (who was 7) and his brother and sister 
in 1906. I found the ships records for them and it says that my g-grandmother 
was coming here to join her husband in Martinez, Contra Costa County, CA. I 
don't know exactly when they took the train to Calif but I don't think it was 
very long after they arrived. My grandfather had cousins who lived/live in Mass 
so they may have stayed and visited for a few weeks first. My grandfather told 
me that the train ride was a great adventure for him. I doubt my g-grandmother 
felt the same way though; riding a train all the way accross the US without a 
man and 3 small children in tow. I have such respect and awe for the bravery of 
these people coming here and all they had to endure to start a new life.
 
Jacki Gentry 
  
Pittsburg, CA 
Surnames: Medeiros, Fernandes, Pereira, Pacheco, Machado, Azevedo 
Islands: Cedros, Faial and Faja de Cima, Sao Miguel





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Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 2:19 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Travel from Azores to West Coast or West Coast to 
Azores (mode of travel)



Before air travel and not counting those that sailed the whaling boats, when 
our Azorean ancestors traveled from the Azores to United States I am assuming 
most of them un boarded on the east coast (New Bedford, Boston, New York) and 
took a train to the west coast. 
 
(1) Were the train stations near the ports?   
 
(2) What routes did most of them take to get across the United States to get to 
their destinations.   
 
(3) Any thing else of interest you may have regarding this journey would be 
helpful.  
 
thank-you for your time.
 
grace falcone
 
Family names-Pacheco Santana, Moniz, Cabral, Carvalho, da Costa Canario, Vieira 
de Silva, Tavares, Arruda  (villages-Furnas, Maia, Porto Formosa-Riberia Grande 
and Sao Pedro-Nordestinho, Sao Miguel, Azores) 

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[gracefalcone]

These are all great stories of courageousness and valor.  grace 



I don't know if most of them came via the east coast or not, but my great 
grandfather, Francisco Medeiros entered the US at Boston and then traveled by 
train to Calif. in about 1904. He came from Cedros, Faial. He established a 
ranch in the Briones Valley near Martinez, Ca with his father before sending 
for my great grandmother, my grandfather (who was 7) and his brother and sister 
in 1906. I found the ships records for them and it says that my g-grandmother 
was coming here to join her husband in Martinez, Contra Costa County, CA. I 
don't know exactly when they took the train to Calif but I don't think it was 
very long after they arrived. My grandfather had cousins who lived/live in Mass 
so they may have stayed and visited for a few weeks first. My grandfather told 
me that the train ride was a great adventure for him. I doubt my g-grandmother 
felt the same way though; riding a train all the way accross the US without a 
man and 3 small children in tow. I have such respect and awe for the bravery of 
these people coming here and all they had to endure to start a new life.
 
Jacki Gentry 
  
Pittsburg, CA 
Surnames: Medeiros, Fernandes, Pereira, Pacheco, Machado, Azevedo 
Islands: Cedros, Faial and Faja de Cima, Sao Miguel





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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Travel from Azores to West Coast or West Coast to 
Azores (mode of travel)



Before air travel and not counting those that sailed the whaling boats, when 
our Azorean ancestors traveled from the Azores to United States I am assuming 
most of them un boarded on the east coast (New Bedford, Boston, New York) and 
took a train to the west coast. 
 
(1) Were the train stations near the ports?   
 
(2) What routes did most of them take to get across the United States to get to 
their destinations.   
 
(3) Any thing else of interest you may have regarding this journey would be 
helpful.  
 
thank-you for your time.
 
grace falcone
 
Family names-Pacheco Santana, Moniz, Cabral, Carvalho, da Costa Canario, Vieira 
de Silva, Tavares, Arruda  (villages-Furnas, Maia, Porto Formosa-Riberia Grande 
and Sao Pedro-Nordestinho, Sao Miguel, Azores) 

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Sent: Thu, Jan 27, 2011 10:11 pm
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Travel from Azores to West Coast or West Coast 
to Azores (mode of travel)


I don't know if most of them came via the east coast or not, but my great 
grandfather, Francisco Medeiros entered the US at Boston and then traveled by 
train to Calif. in about 1904. He came from Cedros, Faial. He established a 
ranch in the Briones Valley near Martinez, Ca with his father before sending 
for my great grandmother, my grandfather (who was 7) and his brother and sister 
in 1906. I found the ships records for them and it says that my g-grandmother 
was coming here to join her husband in Martinez, Contra Costa County, CA. I 
don't know exactly when they took the train to Calif but I don't think it was 
very long after they arrived. My grandfather had cousins who lived/live in Mass 
so they may have stayed and visited for a few weeks first. My grandfather told 
me that the train ride was a great adventure for him. I doubt my g-grandmother 
felt the same way though; riding a train all the way accross the US without a 
man and 3 small children in tow. I have such respect and awe for the bravery of 
these people coming here and all they had to endure to start a new life.
 
Jacki Gentry 
  
Pittsburg, CA 
Surnames: Medeiros, Fernandes, Pereira, Pacheco, Machado, Azevedo 
Islands: Cedros, Faial and Faja de Cima, Sao Miguel





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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Travel from Az

[AZORES-Genealogy] Travel: Delta Air Lines first flight to Ponta Delgada carried 193 passengers - Azores - Portuguese American Journal

['Herbert Silva' via Azores Genealogy]

This short article may be of interest to our group members


> 
> Herb

> http://portuguese-american-journal.com/travel-delta-air-lines-first-flight-to-ponta-delgada-carried-193-passengers-azores/
> 
> Travel: Delta Air Lines first flight to Ponta Delgada carried 193 passengers 
> – Azores
> 
> On Friday, May 25, Delta Air Lines arrived at the airport of Ponta Delgada, 
> carrying 193 passengers, on its first flight between New York and the Azores.
> 
> The Delta seasonal New York route to Ponta Delgada takes place five times a 
> week, except on Monday and Wednesday.
> 
> On the same date, Delta also launched a daily seasonal service from Atlanta 
> city, in the United States, to Lisbon, mainland Portugal.
> 
> The new routes complement an existing daily flight from New York to Lisbon, 
> launched in the summer of 2017 and resumed on May 3, 2018, as a year-round 
> service.
> 
> For the Lisbon route, Delta has scheduled a Boeing 767-300ER, which has a 
> capacity of 225 seats, while for flights between New York and Ponta Delgada 
> the company will operate a Boeing 757-200ER, which carries 199 passengers. 
> The Atlanta-Lisbon route will be operated with a Boeing 767-300ER.
> 
> Delta said in a statement that this year the company projects to increase its 
> flight capacity to Portugal by more than 200% percent compared to 2017.
> 
> About 43,000 passengers flew with Delta between New York and Lisbon in 2017, 
> answering to a 30% increase in the number of American travelers to Portugal 
> last year.
> 
> 
> Azores welcome Delta Air Lines (photo credit Andre Aguiar)
> Although the new route connecting New York to the Azores Islands is currently 
> seasonal, Delta has stated that “there is a possibility of the route 
> extending to a year-round service.” Indicating that this option will be 
> judged based on its performance over the summer.
> 
> From now on, Delta Air Lines will be competing directly with the Azores 
> Airlines the only commercial airline currently providing direct flights from 
> the United States to the Azores.
> 
> The Azores based carrier offers connections from the United States to the 
> Azores and mainland Portugal from Logan International Airport (Boston, MA), 
> Oakland International Airport (Oakland, CA) and T.F. Green Airport 
> (Providence, RI).
> 
>  In Canada, the carrier offers connections to the Azores and mainland 
> Portugal from Montreal-Pierre Elliott Trudeau International Airport 
> (Montreal), and Pearson International Airport (Toronto).
> 
> Part of the SATA Group, the Azores Airlines connects North America with the 
> Azores and mainland Portugal for more than 40 years serving the nine islands 
> of the archipelago. In addition, the the company also provides connections to 
> Funchal (Madeira), Gran Canaria and Cape Verde. 
> 
> In a recent development, United Airlines has also announced a number of new 
> seasonal flights between the United States and Europe for the year. The new 
> routes include service from Newark, New Jersey, to Porto city, Portugal 
> mainland.
> 
> paj.staff
> 
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