Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Testing differences

[Cheri Mello]

Marsha S,

You probably have a couple of thousand matches over at AncestryDNA.

However, in the transfer to My Heritage, you will have more matches with
your FTDNA results. Their DNA chip tests almost twice the family markers
that AncestryDNA tests.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 9:29 PM M. Stringer  wrote:

> I did go ahead and upload the Ancestry results to My Heritage.  Received
> the results today, and there are some interesting differences.
>
>
>
> There was no problem with the upload process for a 2nd/subsequent set of
> results.
>
> This time, followed the instructions for Ancestry instead of FTDNA. Said
> they were for me.
>
> Each set of results shows under my profile, and I can select viewing by
> either one of them.
>
>
>
> FTDNA
>
> Family Finder  1,066 matches
>
>
>
> Ancestry ? matches (have never found the information
> on the site)
>
>
>
> My Heritage uploads from
>
> FTDNA   2,927 matches, 12 ethnicities
>
>
>
> Ancestry 1,876 matches, 10 ethnicities
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Marsha Stringer
>
> strin...@mstringer.net
>
>
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Testing differences

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

Glad you got it resolved.

Rick

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. 
Stringer
Sent: Monday, December 3, 2018 7:31 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Testing differences

 

I did go ahead and upload the Ancestry results to My Heritage.  Received the 
results today, and there are some interesting differences.

 

There was no problem with the upload process for a 2nd/subsequent set of 
results.

This time, followed the instructions for Ancestry instead of FTDNA. Said they 
were for me.  

Each set of results shows under my profile, and I can select viewing by either 
one of them.

 

FTDNA

Family Finder  1,066 matches

 

Ancestry ? matches (have never found the information on the 
site)

 

My Heritage uploads from

FTDNA   2,927 matches, 12 ethnicities 

 

Ancestry 1,876 matches, 10 ethnicities

 

 

 

 

Marsha Stringer

strin...@mstringer.net

 

 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Testing MyHeritage Transfer

[Ms AVA]

Hi List -

Feeling a bit lop sided, and leaning heavily towards my Maternal side on
Ancestry.
Dad's families from the Azores, researched back to late 1680ish.
Mom's families from Ireland, Scotland and England.
>From Mom's areas, Ancestry ranks me at 72%; FTDNA at 54%; and My Heritage
at 47.7%.
*Add remaining to Paternal lines, Ancestry 28%; FTDNA at 46%; and My
Heritage at 52.3%.*
Total Ethnicity of Maternal & Paternal . 100% .. 100%
. 100. %
Too funny - wonder how 23andMe will rank my ethnicity -


 *Ancestry*
 .. *FTDNA* . My Heritage
Country ..Previous - Now
England,Wales, & NW Europe .. 41% . *47*%*  *British Isles *54*%
 . *47.7*%
Ireland & Scotland  6%  *25*%
Iberian Peninsula . 14%

*25.6*%
* Refined Portugal . *23*%* .. *
Spain/Portugal *20*%
Europe West . 13%
.. Europe No/W 0*.8*
%
* Refined Germanic Europe ... *4*%
Europe South  11%
... Europe
SoEast *20*%
...
*
Italy  *9.*0%
...
*
Greece  *7.1* %
...
*
Bulgaria to Croatia
Europe East . 3%
... Balkan
 *8.2*%
Africa North ... 4%
* 3*%
Middle East .. 2%
 *3*%
Scandinavia ... 2%
Finland ... 2% .. *1*%
.. *1.6*
%
European Jewish ... < 1%
Asia Central ... < 1%

ALLY Vieira Anselmo/Pinheiro Nunes
Sao Miguel & Faial


On Sat, Nov 17, 2018 at 4:13 AM Herb  wrote:

> Cheri thanks for that great explanation. It is the best explanation I have
> ever read  regarding the differences in DNA test results, and the diffrent
> companies who test. Absolutely Outstanding!
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Testing MyHeritage Transfer

[Herb]

Cheri thanks for that great explanation. It is the best explanation I have ever 
read  regarding the differences in DNA test results, and the diffrent companies 
who test. Absolutely Outstanding! 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Testing MyHeritage Transfer

['Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy]

Wonderful answer Cheri and thank you for the personal analysis on my Dna 
results!!

Susan

> On Nov 16, 2018, at 9:44 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> And Rosemarie didn't mention that she also got some DNA matches that she 
> doesn't have on FTDNA. New cousins to connect with! That's why we do this :)
> 
> Now that ethnicity ESTIMATE thing..
> 
> Each company has contracted with population geneticists who have gone out and 
> taken samples from various locations. Have they sampled the ENTIRE country or 
> region? NO. So then they write the algorithms to calculate your ethnicity. 
> Supposed you don't match their population samples? The algorithms has to take 
> a guess to make you fit. EACH company does this. No one shares population 
> samples. Therefore, they are all different. And this ethnicity ESTIMATE thing 
> is still a developing science and will probably never get down to a country 
> level since those are political boundaries. But there's no crystal ball. 
> FTDNA tests more STR markers because of us genealogists. We have more SNPs on 
> the tree of mankind because of us genealogists. We have pushed the 
> geneticists further than they thought. They thought we were a bunch of old, 
> bespeckled, retired senior citizens, rolling reels of mircofilm. We were 
> searching and searching for answers and would use whatever technology we 
> could to answer our questions. And we asked questions and pushed the 
> geneticists. So the geneticists nicknamed us "citizen scientists." All the 
> companies will continue to improve their ethnicity estimates. The 
> genealogists will continue to push them.
> 
> Now let me take Susan Vargas Murphy's results (100% Azorean, at least on 
> paper):
> FTDNA 
> 48% Iberian
> 23% SE Europe (this is probably Portuguese and this part of her sample didn't 
> match the population sample, so the algorithm guessed)
> 10% Scandinavian (this could be something other than Portuguese and the 
> algorithm didn't know what and took a guess; or some Viking type dude leaving 
> DNA)
> 8% British Isles (possibly true, as some British did settle in the Azores; 
> however, not all of the British Isles have been sampled yet)
> 8% North Africa (this is probably close to true; lots of Azoreans have North 
> Africa - probably crossed the Straight of Gibraltar to Portugal and then to 
> the Azores)
> 2% Jewish (probably close to true; we did have Jews in the Azores and it's an 
> FTDNA estimate which has a REALLY GOOD Jewish population sample)
> 
> AncestryDNA:
> 99% Iberian (they may have some samples from the Azores that Susan matches 
> VERY well)
> 1% Senegal (this may be a guess for the North African; maybe it's a French 
> influence. It's only 1% so I don't dwell on it).
> 
> My Heritage:
> 45.2 % Iberian (Susan matches about 45% of their Portuguese population 
> samples)
> 13.6 % Ireland, Scotland, Wales (possible true; some British empire types 
> went to the Azores; not all have been sampled yet)
> 12.5 % Scandinavian (could be something other than Portuguese; could be an 
> ancient Viking type dude who left his DNA in the Azores after being lonely at 
> sea)
> 10.2 % Ashkanazi Jewish (This may be Sephardic. However, My Heritage was 
> based in Israel and probably has a good Jewish sample too, although it's 
> probably not Sephardic)
> 18.5 % “three more ethnicities” and if you look at their map it is mostly 
> Northern Africa (N. Africa = Portuguese because of the Straight of Gibraltar 
> thing)
> 
> We are a bunch of things. Let the ethnicity ESTIMATES continue to develop and 
> improve. Don't sweat it too much at this time. It's not there yet.
> 
> Bill Seider said something about getting differences with his same raw data. 
> Remember, it's your raw data against their population samples. How well you 
> fit their samples. Or it will make a best fit type guess. So it has nothing 
> to do with your data, it has to do with their population samples.
> 
> Liz M mentioned paternity testing. Ethnicity ESTIMATES is a different part of 
> DNA testing. Paternity testing is looking for amounts of shared centiMorgans 
> between two people (3330 – 3720 cMs with 3487 cMs being the average for a 
> parent child). They aren't looking for that ethnicity type DNA. They are 
> looking for the AMOUNT of DNA shared. 
> 
> Susan asked which company has the biggest database. For ethnicity ESTIMATES, 
> it doesn't matter. Which company has the MOST EXTENSIVE Portuguese (including 
> all 9 of the Azores) in their population samples to compare us against for 
> the most accurate ESTIMATE? No one at this time. I know with FTDNA, the 
> previous version (not the current one) had a whopping 25 Portuguese 
> population samples in it. That was to cover Portugal, the Azores, and 
> Madeira...and it just didn't do it justice. The largest population sample was 
> 147 Japanese. Japan is comprised of 6,852 islands. Their sample size doesn't 
> do them justice either. FTDNA has since revamped it and I don't 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Testing MyHeritage Transfer

[Donald Vasconcelos]

Cheri,
Thank you! Your clarification should help a lot of folks. It is a ‘process’.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 16, 2018, at 9:44 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> And Rosemarie didn't mention that she also got some DNA matches that she 
> doesn't have on FTDNA. New cousins to connect with! That's why we do this :)
> 
> Now that ethnicity ESTIMATE thing..
> 
> Each company has contracted with population geneticists who have gone out and 
> taken samples from various locations. Have they sampled the ENTIRE country or 
> region? NO. So then they write the algorithms to calculate your ethnicity. 
> Supposed you don't match their population samples? The algorithms has to take 
> a guess to make you fit. EACH company does this. No one shares population 
> samples. Therefore, they are all different. And this ethnicity ESTIMATE thing 
> is still a developing science and will probably never get down to a country 
> level since those are political boundaries. But there's no crystal ball. 
> FTDNA tests more STR markers because of us genealogists. We have more SNPs on 
> the tree of mankind because of us genealogists. We have pushed the 
> geneticists further than they thought. They thought we were a bunch of old, 
> bespeckled, retired senior citizens, rolling reels of mircofilm. We were 
> searching and searching for answers and would use whatever technology we 
> could to answer our questions. And we asked questions and pushed the 
> geneticists. So the geneticists nicknamed us "citizen scientists." All the 
> companies will continue to improve their ethnicity estimates. The 
> genealogists will continue to push them.
> 
> Now let me take Susan Vargas Murphy's results (100% Azorean, at least on 
> paper):
> FTDNA 
> 48% Iberian
> 23% SE Europe (this is probably Portuguese and this part of her sample didn't 
> match the population sample, so the algorithm guessed)
> 10% Scandinavian (this could be something other than Portuguese and the 
> algorithm didn't know what and took a guess; or some Viking type dude leaving 
> DNA)
> 8% British Isles (possibly true, as some British did settle in the Azores; 
> however, not all of the British Isles have been sampled yet)
> 8% North Africa (this is probably close to true; lots of Azoreans have North 
> Africa - probably crossed the Straight of Gibraltar to Portugal and then to 
> the Azores)
> 2% Jewish (probably close to true; we did have Jews in the Azores and it's an 
> FTDNA estimate which has a REALLY GOOD Jewish population sample)
> 
> AncestryDNA:
> 99% Iberian (they may have some samples from the Azores that Susan matches 
> VERY well)
> 1% Senegal (this may be a guess for the North African; maybe it's a French 
> influence. It's only 1% so I don't dwell on it).
> 
> My Heritage:
> 45.2 % Iberian (Susan matches about 45% of their Portuguese population 
> samples)
> 13.6 % Ireland, Scotland, Wales (possible true; some British empire types 
> went to the Azores; not all have been sampled yet)
> 12.5 % Scandinavian (could be something other than Portuguese; could be an 
> ancient Viking type dude who left his DNA in the Azores after being lonely at 
> sea)
> 10.2 % Ashkanazi Jewish (This may be Sephardic. However, My Heritage was 
> based in Israel and probably has a good Jewish sample too, although it's 
> probably not Sephardic)
> 18.5 % “three more ethnicities” and if you look at their map it is mostly 
> Northern Africa (N. Africa = Portuguese because of the Straight of Gibraltar 
> thing)
> 
> We are a bunch of things. Let the ethnicity ESTIMATES continue to develop and 
> improve. Don't sweat it too much at this time. It's not there yet.
> 
> Bill Seider said something about getting differences with his same raw data. 
> Remember, it's your raw data against their population samples. How well you 
> fit their samples. Or it will make a best fit type guess. So it has nothing 
> to do with your data, it has to do with their population samples.
> 
> Liz M mentioned paternity testing. Ethnicity ESTIMATES is a different part of 
> DNA testing. Paternity testing is looking for amounts of shared centiMorgans 
> between two people (3330 – 3720 cMs with 3487 cMs being the average for a 
> parent child). They aren't looking for that ethnicity type DNA. They are 
> looking for the AMOUNT of DNA shared. 
> 
> Susan asked which company has the biggest database. For ethnicity ESTIMATES, 
> it doesn't matter. Which company has the MOST EXTENSIVE Portuguese (including 
> all 9 of the Azores) in their population samples to compare us against for 
> the most accurate ESTIMATE? No one at this time. I know with FTDNA, the 
> previous version (not the current one) had a whopping 25 Portuguese 
> population samples in it. That was to cover Portugal, the Azores, and 
> Madeira...and it just didn't do it justice. The largest population sample was 
> 147 Japanese. Japan is comprised of 6,852 islands. Their sample size doesn't 
> do them justice either. FTDNA has since revamped it 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Testing MyHeritage Transfer

[Mary Bordi]

I just transferred mine and my mother’s. She passed away several years ago.
I have regretted not having her test with Ancestry, so this was a no
brainer!

Of course we are both on Gedmatch, too.

I had an account with MyHeritage several years ago so there is an existing
tree. I didn’t renew with them because I had only found only one other tree
with a possible match and they never responded to my inquiry. Now I’m
getting possible matches to my old tree but would have to join to view them
LOL!

Right now I’m just in it for the DNA. :)

Mary



On Thursday, November 15, 2018, Rosemarie Capodicci 
wrote:

> Hi List,
> I transferred my FTDna raw data over to MyHeritage with Cheri's
> instructions, on Nov. 12th. I just now was notified that my ethnicity
> breakdown was available. Quite a few differences from FTDna! On FTDna I
> have *zero *Iberian ethnicity showing, on MyHeritage I show 47%! I show
> 84% Europe with 47% Iberian (Spain/Portugal) and 28% Greek (don't show this
> at all on FTDna. I'm showing 12% N. Africa and 1.8% Middle East which is
> basically what I show on FTDna. So, if you want to check out another DNA
> Company transfer your raw data over and take a look!
>
> Rosemarie
> rcap...@gmail.com
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Testing MyHeritage Transfer

[Cheri Mello]

And Rosemarie didn't mention that she also got some DNA matches that she
doesn't have on FTDNA. New cousins to connect with! That's why we do this :)

Now that ethnicity ESTIMATE thing..

Each company has contracted with population geneticists who have gone out
and taken samples from various locations. Have they sampled the ENTIRE
country or region? NO. So then they write the algorithms to calculate your
ethnicity. Supposed you don't match their population samples? The
algorithms has to take a guess to make you fit. EACH company does this. No
one shares population samples. Therefore, they are all different. And this
ethnicity ESTIMATE thing is still a developing science and will probably
never get down to a country level since those are political boundaries. But
there's no crystal ball. FTDNA tests more STR markers because of us
genealogists. We have more SNPs on the tree of mankind because of us
genealogists. We have pushed the geneticists further than they thought.
They thought we were a bunch of old, bespeckled, retired senior citizens,
rolling reels of mircofilm. We were searching and searching for answers and
would use whatever technology we could to answer our questions. And we
asked questions and pushed the geneticists. So the geneticists nicknamed us
"citizen scientists." All the companies will continue to improve their
ethnicity estimates. The genealogists will continue to push them.

Now let me take Susan Vargas Murphy's results (100% Azorean, at least on
paper):
FTDNA
48% Iberian
23% SE Europe (this is probably Portuguese and this part of her sample
didn't match the population sample, so the algorithm guessed)
10% Scandinavian (this could be something other than Portuguese and the
algorithm didn't know what and took a guess; or some Viking type dude
leaving DNA)
8% British Isles (possibly true, as some British did settle in the Azores;
however, not all of the British Isles have been sampled yet)
8% North Africa (this is probably close to true; lots of Azoreans have
North Africa - probably crossed the Straight of Gibraltar to Portugal and
then to the Azores)
2% Jewish (probably close to true; we did have Jews in the Azores and it's
an FTDNA estimate which has a REALLY GOOD Jewish population sample)

AncestryDNA:
99% Iberian (they may have some samples from the Azores that Susan matches
VERY well)
1% Senegal (this may be a guess for the North African; maybe it's a French
influence. It's only 1% so I don't dwell on it).

My Heritage:
45.2 % Iberian (Susan matches about 45% of their Portuguese population
samples)
13.6 % Ireland, Scotland, Wales (possible true; some British empire types
went to the Azores; not all have been sampled yet)
12.5 % Scandinavian (could be something other than Portuguese; could be an
ancient Viking type dude who left his DNA in the Azores after being lonely
at sea)
10.2 % Ashkanazi Jewish (This may be Sephardic. However, My Heritage was
based in Israel and probably has a good Jewish sample too, although it's
probably not Sephardic)
18.5 % “three more ethnicities” and if you look at their map it is
mostly Northern Africa (N. Africa = Portuguese because of the Straight of
Gibraltar thing)

We are a bunch of things. Let the ethnicity ESTIMATES continue to develop
and improve. Don't sweat it too much at this time. It's not there yet.

Bill Seider said something about getting differences with his same raw
data. Remember, it's your raw data against their population samples. How
well you fit their samples. Or it will make a best fit type guess. So it
has nothing to do with your data, it has to do with their population
samples.

Liz M mentioned paternity testing. Ethnicity ESTIMATES is a different part
of DNA testing. Paternity testing is looking for amounts of shared
centiMorgans between two people (3330 – 3720 cMs with 3487 cMs being the
average for a parent child). They aren't looking for that ethnicity type
DNA. They are looking for the AMOUNT of DNA shared.

Susan asked which company has the biggest database. For ethnicity
ESTIMATES, it doesn't matter. Which company has the MOST EXTENSIVE
Portuguese (including all 9 of the Azores) in their population samples to
compare us against for the most accurate ESTIMATE? No one at this time. I
know with FTDNA, the previous version (not the current one) had a whopping
25 Portuguese population samples in it. That was to cover Portugal, the
Azores, and Madeira...and it just didn't do it justice. The largest
population sample was 147 Japanese. Japan is comprised of 6,852 islands.
Their sample size doesn't do them justice either. FTDNA has since revamped
it and I don't know the current numbers for their population samples. The
latest company to revamp their ethnicity ESTIMATES was Ancestry. Which
means 23 and Me or FTDNA are next. These companies want to have the most
current information. So give them some time to go collect the population
samples, analyze the data, and write algorithms and see how your new
ethnicity ESTIMATES 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Testing MyHeritage Transfer

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

Cheri needs to explain to you about each company and who has tested with
them. It all depends on what that company is basing their info on. She can
explain better than I can. Also, as Michael has stated, and we all know,
the Azores were settled by many peoples from different lands. Europe was
also conquered by many different groups so all that comes into play.

Rosemarie
rcap...@gmail.com
Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily


On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 8:33 AM Michael Giffin <
michael.giffin.1...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I just got back from my first trip to Sao Miguel and my family village,
> Porto Formoso. My family left there in 1883 for Hawaii. Our guide said the
> archipelago began to be settled sixty years before Columbus sailed for the
> New World, the first settlers included the Flemish, and some were from
> Brittany (and spoke Portuguese with a French accent). Complicating this, my
> genealogical research of the US censuses of 1900 and 1910 tells me that the
> Portuguese were not regarded then as Caucasian. So the DNA experience is
> indeed complex.
>
> On Thu, 15 Nov. 2018, 7:29 pm Rosemarie Capodicci  wrote:
>
>> Hi List,
>> I transferred my FTDna raw data over to MyHeritage with Cheri's
>> instructions, on Nov. 12th. I just now was notified that my ethnicity
>> breakdown was available. Quite a few differences from FTDna! On FTDna I
>> have *zero *Iberian ethnicity showing, on MyHeritage I show 47%! I show
>> 84% Europe with 47% Iberian (Spain/Portugal) and 28% Greek (don't show this
>> at all on FTDna. I'm showing 12% N. Africa and 1.8% Middle East which is
>> basically what I show on FTDna. So, if you want to check out another DNA
>> Company transfer your raw data over and take a look!
>>
>> Rosemarie
>> rcap...@gmail.com
>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Testing MyHeritage Transfer

[Michael Giffin]

I just got back from my first trip to Sao Miguel and my family village,
Porto Formoso. My family left there in 1883 for Hawaii. Our guide said the
archipelago began to be settled sixty years before Columbus sailed for the
New World, the first settlers included the Flemish, and some were from
Brittany (and spoke Portuguese with a French accent). Complicating this, my
genealogical research of the US censuses of 1900 and 1910 tells me that the
Portuguese were not regarded then as Caucasian. So the DNA experience is
indeed complex.

On Thu, 15 Nov. 2018, 7:29 pm Rosemarie Capodicci  Hi List,
> I transferred my FTDna raw data over to MyHeritage with Cheri's
> instructions, on Nov. 12th. I just now was notified that my ethnicity
> breakdown was available. Quite a few differences from FTDna! On FTDna I
> have *zero *Iberian ethnicity showing, on MyHeritage I show 47%! I show
> 84% Europe with 47% Iberian (Spain/Portugal) and 28% Greek (don't show this
> at all on FTDna. I'm showing 12% N. Africa and 1.8% Middle East which is
> basically what I show on FTDna. So, if you want to check out another DNA
> Company transfer your raw data over and take a look!
>
> Rosemarie
> rcap...@gmail.com
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA testing

[Cheri Mello]

Gordon,

I think you are talking about 2 separate things.
1) Downloading your raw data refers to you downloading your DNA File.
2) Dowloading your tree from Ancestry.com means you are creating a Gedcom.

You need your data of course and you'll also want your tree, as your
matches will be looking at it and hopefully trying to figure out the match.

The transfer is free. To unlock FTDNA's tools is $19. OR you can be tested
on their platform for $59 (and you get all the tools). The difference is
the AncestryDNA chip (as well as 23 and Me) have about half the family
markers removed and health markers place there. What that means for a
genealogist is that you don't get as many matches as others would in the
FTDNA database.

Do the free transfer first.

Here's how to download your raw data from AncestryDNA:
https://support.ancestry.com/s/article/ka21500U0ERAA0/
Downloading-Raw-DNA-Data-1460089696533

It takes a few minutes for the system to create a file for all that DNA. So
while you wait for the email from Ancestry that it's ready, make your
account with FTDNA:
https://www.familytreedna.com/autosomal-transfer

Then you'll get the data from Ancestry, you will log into your FTDNA
account and you'll upload the raw data. If you need help with this part,
just let me know.

Also, be sure to join the Azores DNA project.

Log into the FTDNA page with the kit number and password.

Across the top is says: myFTDNA, DNA Tests, ProjectsPoint at Projects.
When the drop down menu appears, click "Join a project."

If the Azores Islands appears on the top, click the link and scroll down to
the JOIN button at the end.

If the Azores Islands is not suggested, scroll down to where it says
"Search by Surname" and type: azores.

When Azores Islands appears, click the link and follow the directions.

If you need more detailed help, just email me and we can go off-list and I
can help you. I can also get the $59 full platform for you. gfscherim at
gmail.com

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA testing

[Gordon Soares]

Cheri:
I really like your instructions for getting to FTDNA. How do I transfer the raw 
data from Ancestry to FTDNA? Will I be transferring my whole tree or just the 
results that I got when I received my DNA analysis (which wasn’t much data)? 
/am I correct that its $59 to transfer the data?
Gordon


> On Aug 13, 2017, at 10:57 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> FTDNA (Family Tree DNA) is one testing company. AncestryDNA is another. Just 
> like you could buy a Ford or a Honda if you were shopping for cars. 
> 
> Family Tree Maker is a genealogy software where you type in your ancestors. 
> It has nothing to do with DNA.
> 
> Lots of things like to name themselves "Family Tree." There's "Family Tree 
> Magazine," "Family Tree Now" and I don't know what else.
> 
> Because autosomal DNA testing is run on the Illumina chip you can transfer it 
> over to Family Tree DNA (FTDNA). AncestryDNA uses the Illumina chip, but they 
> have customized it, stripping about 48% of the family markers and replacing 
> them with health. So you won't get as many matches at FTDNA due to less data 
> on the chip. You can transfer over and if you decide to test on the FTDNA 
> platform, I believe it's $59 (I'll have to double check).
> 
> Download your raw data from AncestyDNA (if you don't know how, just ask) and 
> then make an account at FTDNA and upload it here: 
> https://www.familytreedna.com/autosomal-transfer 
> 
> 
> Hope to see you soon! Cheri
> 
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
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> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
> On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 6:11 PM, Gordon Soares  > wrote:
> Hi ALL
> 
> I have done the DNA testing through Ancestry.com  and 
> so has my wife. What I am wondering (and I apologize if I am WAY behind the 
> curve on this) is whether I need to do something else regarding DNA. Is the 
> FTDNA a variation of the Ancestry and just the Family Tree Maker version or 
> is there a difference? Is there another more  specific DNA to the Azores that 
> I should consider?
> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA testing

[Cheri Mello]

FTDNA (Family Tree DNA) is one testing company. AncestryDNA is another.
Just like you could buy a Ford or a Honda if you were shopping for cars.

Family Tree Maker is a genealogy software where you type in your ancestors.
It has nothing to do with DNA.

Lots of things like to name themselves "Family Tree." There's "Family Tree
Magazine," "Family Tree Now" and I don't know what else.

Because autosomal DNA testing is run on the Illumina chip you can transfer
it over to Family Tree DNA (FTDNA). AncestryDNA uses the Illumina chip, but
they have customized it, stripping about 48% of the family markers and
replacing them with health. So you won't get as many matches at FTDNA due
to less data on the chip. You can transfer over and if you decide to test
on the FTDNA platform, I believe it's $59 (I'll have to double check).

Download your raw data from AncestyDNA (if you don't know how, just ask)
and then make an account at FTDNA and upload it here:
https://www.familytreedna.com/autosomal-transfer

Hope to see you soon! Cheri

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 6:11 PM, Gordon Soares 
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> Hi ALL
>
> I have done the DNA testing through Ancestry.com and so has my wife. What
> I am wondering (and I apologize if I am WAY behind the curve on this) is
> whether I need to do something else regarding DNA. Is the FTDNA a variation
> of the Ancestry and just the Family Tree Maker version or is there a
> difference? Is there another more  specific DNA to the Azores that I should
> consider?
>
> Gordon Soares
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA testing recommendations

[Kelly]

Thank you Pat! I chose FTDNA family finder per Cheri's advisement. I
appreciate your response.

On Aug 7, 2017 9:26 PM, "'cnsport' via Azores Genealogy" <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Since you are on the Azores group I assume you have a connection there.  A
> lot of people from the group have done Family Tree DNA.  You have a greater
> chance of matches and Cheryl Mello is very helpful.
>
> Pat (Vierra Anselmo/Brum Dutra)
>
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> Sent from my iPad
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> > On Aug 5, 2017, at 7:01 PM, momma Goodwin  wrote:
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> > I was wondering of those of you who have had DNA testing done if you
> could recommend a provider. I have been overwhelmed by the amount of info
> there is out there. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated!
> > Kelly
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA testing recommendations

['cnsport' via Azores Genealogy]

Since you are on the Azores group I assume you have a connection there.  A lot 
of people from the group have done Family Tree DNA.  You have a greater chance 
of matches and Cheryl Mello is very helpful.

Pat (Vierra Anselmo/Brum Dutra)


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> I was wondering of those of you who have had DNA testing done if you could 
> recommend a provider. I have been overwhelmed by the amount of info there is 
> out there. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated!
> Kelly
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA testing recommendations

[Kelly]

Ok. Thanks again! True. Unfortunately it was my late eldest brother that
let the news out. I am hopeful that she'll come around before she passes.

On Aug 6, 2017 1:28 PM, "Cheri Mello"  wrote:

> Rats, yes, test yourself to start. Once you start to make discoveries and
> share ONLY the positives with your mom, maybe she'll come around.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
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> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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>> Cheri,
>> My dad passed away several years ago and he has no full siblings. His 3
>> half siblings who shared the same father are also deceased. Should I still
>> test for myself?
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA testing recommendations

[Cheri Mello]

Rats, yes, test yourself to start. Once you start to make discoveries and
share ONLY the positives with your mom, maybe she'll come around.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

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> Cheri,
> My dad passed away several years ago and he has no full siblings. His 3
> half siblings who shared the same father are also deceased. Should I still
> test for myself?
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA testing recommendations

[momma Goodwin]

Cheri,
My dad passed away several years ago and he has no full siblings. His 3 half 
siblings who shared the same father are also deceased. Should I still test for 
myself?

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA testing recommendations

[Cheri Mello]

OK, you can work the DNA from the known to the unknown.

Test your dad if he is available. And test yourself. FTDNA has a tool
called "In Common With." Within that tool, there's a "Not In Common With."
So what is not in common with your dad would be things on your mom's side,
most likely. Then there are some other tools too that you can use to try to
figure it out. But being new to DNA, I'd do your dad's side first so you
can learn DNA and the tools.  Cheri

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

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> Thank you both for your responses. I was heavily leaning towards the FTDNA
> from what I've learned. I am most interested in learning more of my dad's
> side (azorean) since the more I dig in my mom's side she gets hostile
> toward me. I uncovered that her greatgrandfather fathered children through
> a slave and we are products of that union. Unfortunately I am the oldest
> generation in my family but youngest of seven children. So I have time on
> my side. I've been unable to get six generations but want to go further. I
> am excited to learn where DNA testing will lead me! Thanks again.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA testing recommendations

[momma Goodwin]

Thank you both for your responses. I was heavily leaning towards the FTDNA from 
what I've learned. I am most interested in learning more of my dad's side 
(azorean) since the more I dig in my mom's side she gets hostile toward me. I 
uncovered that her greatgrandfather fathered children through a slave and we 
are products of that union. Unfortunately I am the oldest generation in my 
family but youngest of seven children. So I have time on my side. I've been 
unable to get six generations but want to go further. I am excited to learn 
where DNA testing will lead me! Thanks again.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA testing recommendations

['Jeremy G. B-C: Researching Sao Jorge' via Azores Genealogy]

Hello!

I have some kits on Ancestry, 23 and Me, and FamilyTreeDNA.  My two cents would 
be to go with FtDNA, but here's why: In my opinion, the information on the 
other providers (especially Ancestry) is "dummed-down". If you want good info 
you can work with the format of FtDNA is the most logical, for instance they 
show the CM and longer block numbers right on your matches page, whereas 
ancestry gives you some meaningless "match is of high confidence" which you 
can't analyze.

Not to mention that soo many of us with Azorean blood have tested through 
FtDNA, you will surely have lots of matches.

Jeremy

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA testing recommendations

[Cheri Mello]

Kelly G,

Go with Family Tree DNA (FTDNA) and order Family Finder to start. They have
Group Projects (there's an Azores DNA Project). FTDNA is currently having a
sale.

Test your oldest family member. So if you have any living grandparents (or
their siblings) test them first. If you have no living grandparents (or
their siblings), test any living parent you may have (or their siblings).
And also remember test yourself! :) You may have to do this a little at a
time if you have a lot of family members. There will be a sale at the end
of the year in December (sometimes starts in November).

Order here (it's Family Finder): https://goo.gl/GpWc7f

Cheri Mello, Family Tree DNA Admin (volunteer), Azores DNA Project

Cheri Mello
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> I was wondering of those of you who have had DNA testing done if you could
> recommend a provider. I have been overwhelmed by the amount of info there
> is out there. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated!
> Kelly
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Testing Companies: An analogy

[MaryAnn Santos]

Excellent, Cheri. Thanks so much!

MaryAnn

On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 3:48 PM, Mary Bordi  wrote:

> That was great Cheri!
>
> Mary
>
> On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 9:52 AM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Great job Cheri.  Should be clear to all now.  
>>
>>
>>
>> Sam (Camas, WA)
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Cheri Mello 
>> *Sent: *Friday, June 23, 2017 9:15 AM
>> *To: *Azores Genealogy ; madeira-genealogy@
>> googlegroups.com; islandrou...@googlegroups.com
>>
>>
>> *Subject: *[AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Testing Companies: An analogy
>>
>>
>>
>> (Cross posted to Azores, Madeira, and IslandRoutes lists)
>>
>> Here are some department stores in America. Some may be in Canada too:
>> [image: Inline image 1][image: Inline image 2][image: Inline image 3]
>>
>> Let's say you find a pair of Levi's (jeans) on sale at Sears. You have a
>> question, but you see no available clerk at Sears. So you set the jeans
>> down and go to Macy's to ask the clerk there about the sale on the Levi's
>> jeans at Sears.
>>
>> The above scenario is ridiculous and you know that a clerk in one store
>> cannot answer a question about a sale at another store, even if they all
>> sell Levi's jeans.
>>
>> Now, let's say you have walked into a thrift store. They sell donated
>> clothes that others have purchased from many department stores such as
>> Sears, J.C. Penney's and Macy's. You spot your favorite shirt that you
>> ruined 5 years ago. It's just like the one you bought at J.C. Penney's. But
>> you have a question. Since you recognize the brand as one that is sold
>> exclusively at Penney's, you drive over to Penney's to ask the clerk a
>> question about your favorite shirt that you bought 5 years ago and ruined.
>>
>> And you all know that's completely ridiculous too.
>>
>> The example above is fairly easy to understand since they involve actual
>> brick-and-mortar stores that have familiarity to at least the American list
>> readers.
>>
>> Now let's switch gears. We have DNA testing companies (who have an
>> Internet presence). The main 3 players currently are:
>> [image: Inline image 4][image: Inline image 5][image: Inline image 6]
>>
>> These three companies, Family Tree DNA (FTDNA), AncestryDNA, and 23 and
>> Me, all sell DNA tests, just like Sears, Penney's, and Macy's sell Levi's
>> jeans.
>>
>> Out of the 3 DNA testing companies, one has many "store clerks" and the
>> other 2 stores you can't find a clerk in sight. FTDNA has many "store
>> clerks" called administrators (or admins, for short). They are there to
>> answer questions about the DNA tests you purchased at FTDNA. If you
>> purchased a DNA test at AncestryDNA, don't ask your FTDNA admin a question
>> about it. Or about 23 and Me. That's like seeing the Levi's in Sears but
>> going over to Macy's to ask the clerk a question.
>>
>> Also, you can take your DNA to the thrift shop. This is a web site called
>> GedMatch. You can download your raw data from any of the big 3 testing
>> companies and put it on GedMatch. Just like you can purchase clothes from
>> Sears, Penney's or Macy's and donate them to a thrift store. But you are
>> not going to find something at the thrift store and drive back to Macy's to
>> ask a question. So if you upload at GedMatch, don't expect your FTDNA admin
>> to help you with GedMatch questions and problems.
>>
>> The Azores, Madeira (and other Portuguese based projects) were founded 12
>> years ago on Family Tree DNA. I'm a Family Tree DNA admin. I'm a volunteer.
>> I spend anywhere from 10 to maybe 20 hours a week helping people. You don't
>> publicly see this, as I am helping one individual at a time with their own
>> personal results. That individual tested with FTDNA. So if you want to test
>> with another testing company, that's fine. Don't expect the FTDNA admin to
>> help you with your results. That's like seeing the Levi's on sale at Sears
>> and asking the Macy's clerk for help. It's the same for GedMatch as well.
>>
>> Luckily, FTDNA can accept DNA results from AncestryDNA and 23 and Me. So
>> if you want help from an FTDNA admin, transfer your results over to FTDNA.
>>
>>
>>
>> Now we all know that many store clerks are part time workers and some
>> work at more than one store. Some FTDNA admins have tested at other
>> companies and are willing to help with those results. Most do not. For
>> those that do, many do charge a consultant fee, as it is beyond the scope
>> of what they do as a volunteer admin with FTDNA. They are acting as a
>> consultant across companies and not solely as a volunteer admin with FTDNA.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hope this analogy clears up some confusion.
>>
>>
>> Cheri Mello, Family Tree DNA Admin (volunteer)
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Testing Companies: An analogy

[Rich Mueller]

Cheri – another example of your incredible value to this group and to the 
entire genealogy community.  We all have connections to other ancestries (I am 
Heinz57) so this is helpful on so many levels. Mahalo Nui loa!!

 

E malama pono

Rich

“Each morning we are born again.  What we do today is what matters most." 
~Buddha 

 

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Mary Bordi
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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Testing Companies: An analogy

 

That was great Cheri!

Mary

 

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<azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Great job Cheri.  Should be clear to all now.  

 

Sam (Camas, WA)

 

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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Testing Companies: An analogy

 

(Cross posted to Azores, Madeira, and IslandRoutes lists)

Here are some department stores in America. Some may be in Canada too:
Inline image 1Inline image 2Inline image 3

Let's say you find a pair of Levi's (jeans) on sale at Sears. You have a 
question, but you see no available clerk at Sears. So you set the jeans down 
and go to Macy's to ask the clerk there about the sale on the Levi's jeans at 
Sears. 

The above scenario is ridiculous and you know that a clerk in one store cannot 
answer a question about a sale at another store, even if they all sell Levi's 
jeans.

Now, let's say you have walked into a thrift store. They sell donated clothes 
that others have purchased from many department stores such as Sears, J.C. 
Penney's and Macy's. You spot your favorite shirt that you ruined 5 years ago. 
It's just like the one you bought at J.C. Penney's. But you have a question. 
Since you recognize the brand as one that is sold exclusively at Penney's, you 
drive over to Penney's to ask the clerk a question about your favorite shirt 
that you bought 5 years ago and ruined.

And you all know that's completely ridiculous too.

The example above is fairly easy to understand since they involve actual 
brick-and-mortar stores that have familiarity to at least the American list 
readers.

Now let's switch gears. We have DNA testing companies (who have an Internet 
presence). The main 3 players currently are:
Inline image 4Inline image 5Inline image 6

These three companies, Family Tree DNA (FTDNA), AncestryDNA, and 23 and Me, all 
sell DNA tests, just like Sears, Penney's, and Macy's sell Levi's jeans. 

Out of the 3 DNA testing companies, one has many "store clerks" and the other 2 
stores you can't find a clerk in sight. FTDNA has many "store clerks" called 
administrators (or admins, for short). They are there to answer questions about 
the DNA tests you purchased at FTDNA. If you purchased a DNA test at 
AncestryDNA, don't ask your FTDNA admin a question about it. Or about 23 and 
Me. That's like seeing the Levi's in Sears but going over to Macy's to ask the 
clerk a question.

Also, you can take your DNA to the thrift shop. This is a web site called 
GedMatch. You can download your raw data from any of the big 3 testing 
companies and put it on GedMatch. Just like you can purchase clothes from 
Sears, Penney's or Macy's and donate them to a thrift store. But you are not 
going to find something at the thrift store and drive back to Macy's to ask a 
question. So if you upload at GedMatch, don't expect your FTDNA admin to help 
you with GedMatch questions and problems.

The Azores, Madeira (and other Portuguese based projects) were founded 12 years 
ago on Family Tree DNA. I'm a Family Tree DNA admin. I'm a volunteer. I spend 
anywhere from 10 to maybe 20 hours a week helping people. You don't publicly 
see this, as I am helping one individual at a time with their own personal 
results. That individual tested with FTDNA. So if you want to test with another 
testing company, that's fine. Don't expect the FTDNA admin to help you with 
your results. That's like seeing the Levi's on sale at Sears and asking the 
Macy's clerk for help. It's the same for GedMatch as well.

Luckily, FTDNA can accept DNA results from AncestryDNA and 23 and Me. So if you 
want help from an FTDNA admin, transfer your results over to FTDNA.

 

Now we all know that many store clerks are part time workers and some work at 
more than one store. Some FTDNA admins have tested at other companies and are 
willing to help with those results. Most do not. For those that do, many do 
charge a consultant fee, as it is beyond the scope of what they do as a 
volunteer admin with FTDNA. They are acting as a consultant across companies 
and not solely as a volunteer admin with FTDNA.

 

Hope this analogy clears up some confusion.




Cheri Mello, Family Tree DNA Admin (volunteer)

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Testing Companies: An analogy

[Mary Bordi]

That was great Cheri!

Mary

On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 9:52 AM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Great job Cheri.  Should be clear to all now.  
>
>
>
> Sam (Camas, WA)
>
>
>
> *From: *Cheri Mello 
> *Sent: *Friday, June 23, 2017 9:15 AM
> *To: *Azores Genealogy ;
> madeira-geneal...@googlegroups.com; islandrou...@googlegroups.com
>
>
> *Subject: *[AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Testing Companies: An analogy
>
>
>
> (Cross posted to Azores, Madeira, and IslandRoutes lists)
>
> Here are some department stores in America. Some may be in Canada too:
> [image: Inline image 1][image: Inline image 2][image: Inline image 3]
>
> Let's say you find a pair of Levi's (jeans) on sale at Sears. You have a
> question, but you see no available clerk at Sears. So you set the jeans
> down and go to Macy's to ask the clerk there about the sale on the Levi's
> jeans at Sears.
>
> The above scenario is ridiculous and you know that a clerk in one store
> cannot answer a question about a sale at another store, even if they all
> sell Levi's jeans.
>
> Now, let's say you have walked into a thrift store. They sell donated
> clothes that others have purchased from many department stores such as
> Sears, J.C. Penney's and Macy's. You spot your favorite shirt that you
> ruined 5 years ago. It's just like the one you bought at J.C. Penney's. But
> you have a question. Since you recognize the brand as one that is sold
> exclusively at Penney's, you drive over to Penney's to ask the clerk a
> question about your favorite shirt that you bought 5 years ago and ruined.
>
> And you all know that's completely ridiculous too.
>
> The example above is fairly easy to understand since they involve actual
> brick-and-mortar stores that have familiarity to at least the American list
> readers.
>
> Now let's switch gears. We have DNA testing companies (who have an
> Internet presence). The main 3 players currently are:
> [image: Inline image 4][image: Inline image 5][image: Inline image 6]
>
> These three companies, Family Tree DNA (FTDNA), AncestryDNA, and 23 and
> Me, all sell DNA tests, just like Sears, Penney's, and Macy's sell Levi's
> jeans.
>
> Out of the 3 DNA testing companies, one has many "store clerks" and the
> other 2 stores you can't find a clerk in sight. FTDNA has many "store
> clerks" called administrators (or admins, for short). They are there to
> answer questions about the DNA tests you purchased at FTDNA. If you
> purchased a DNA test at AncestryDNA, don't ask your FTDNA admin a question
> about it. Or about 23 and Me. That's like seeing the Levi's in Sears but
> going over to Macy's to ask the clerk a question.
>
> Also, you can take your DNA to the thrift shop. This is a web site called
> GedMatch. You can download your raw data from any of the big 3 testing
> companies and put it on GedMatch. Just like you can purchase clothes from
> Sears, Penney's or Macy's and donate them to a thrift store. But you are
> not going to find something at the thrift store and drive back to Macy's to
> ask a question. So if you upload at GedMatch, don't expect your FTDNA admin
> to help you with GedMatch questions and problems.
>
> The Azores, Madeira (and other Portuguese based projects) were founded 12
> years ago on Family Tree DNA. I'm a Family Tree DNA admin. I'm a volunteer.
> I spend anywhere from 10 to maybe 20 hours a week helping people. You don't
> publicly see this, as I am helping one individual at a time with their own
> personal results. That individual tested with FTDNA. So if you want to test
> with another testing company, that's fine. Don't expect the FTDNA admin to
> help you with your results. That's like seeing the Levi's on sale at Sears
> and asking the Macy's clerk for help. It's the same for GedMatch as well.
>
> Luckily, FTDNA can accept DNA results from AncestryDNA and 23 and Me. So
> if you want help from an FTDNA admin, transfer your results over to FTDNA.
>
>
>
> Now we all know that many store clerks are part time workers and some work
> at more than one store. Some FTDNA admins have tested at other companies
> and are willing to help with those results. Most do not. For those that do,
> many do charge a consultant fee, as it is beyond the scope of what they do
> as a volunteer admin with FTDNA. They are acting as a consultant across
> companies and not solely as a volunteer admin with FTDNA.
>
>
>
> Hope this analogy clears up some confusion.
>
>
> Cheri Mello, Family Tree DNA Admin (volunteer)
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Testing Companies: An analogy

['Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy]

Great job Cheri.  Should be clear to all now.  

Sam (Camas, WA)

From: Cheri Mello
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 9:15 AM
To: Azores Genealogy; madeira-geneal...@googlegroups.com; 
islandrou...@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Testing Companies: An analogy

(Cross posted to Azores, Madeira, and IslandRoutes lists)
Here are some department stores in America. Some may be in Canada too:

Let's say you find a pair of Levi's (jeans) on sale at Sears. You have a 
question, but you see no available clerk at Sears. So you set the jeans down 
and go to Macy's to ask the clerk there about the sale on the Levi's jeans at 
Sears. 
The above scenario is ridiculous and you know that a clerk in one store cannot 
answer a question about a sale at another store, even if they all sell Levi's 
jeans.
Now, let's say you have walked into a thrift store. They sell donated clothes 
that others have purchased from many department stores such as Sears, J.C. 
Penney's and Macy's. You spot your favorite shirt that you ruined 5 years ago. 
It's just like the one you bought at J.C. Penney's. But you have a question. 
Since you recognize the brand as one that is sold exclusively at Penney's, you 
drive over to Penney's to ask the clerk a question about your favorite shirt 
that you bought 5 years ago and ruined.
And you all know that's completely ridiculous too.
The example above is fairly easy to understand since they involve actual 
brick-and-mortar stores that have familiarity to at least the American list 
readers.
Now let's switch gears. We have DNA testing companies (who have an Internet 
presence). The main 3 players currently are:

These three companies, Family Tree DNA (FTDNA), AncestryDNA, and 23 and Me, all 
sell DNA tests, just like Sears, Penney's, and Macy's sell Levi's jeans. 
Out of the 3 DNA testing companies, one has many "store clerks" and the other 2 
stores you can't find a clerk in sight. FTDNA has many "store clerks" called 
administrators (or admins, for short). They are there to answer questions about 
the DNA tests you purchased at FTDNA. If you purchased a DNA test at 
AncestryDNA, don't ask your FTDNA admin a question about it. Or about 23 and 
Me. That's like seeing the Levi's in Sears but going over to Macy's to ask the 
clerk a question.
Also, you can take your DNA to the thrift shop. This is a web site called 
GedMatch. You can download your raw data from any of the big 3 testing 
companies and put it on GedMatch. Just like you can purchase clothes from 
Sears, Penney's or Macy's and donate them to a thrift store. But you are not 
going to find something at the thrift store and drive back to Macy's to ask a 
question. So if you upload at GedMatch, don't expect your FTDNA admin to help 
you with GedMatch questions and problems.
The Azores, Madeira (and other Portuguese based projects) were founded 12 years 
ago on Family Tree DNA. I'm a Family Tree DNA admin. I'm a volunteer. I spend 
anywhere from 10 to maybe 20 hours a week helping people. You don't publicly 
see this, as I am helping one individual at a time with their own personal 
results. That individual tested with FTDNA. So if you want to test with another 
testing company, that's fine. Don't expect the FTDNA admin to help you with 
your results. That's like seeing the Levi's on sale at Sears and asking the 
Macy's clerk for help. It's the same for GedMatch as well.
Luckily, FTDNA can accept DNA results from AncestryDNA and 23 and Me. So if you 
want help from an FTDNA admin, transfer your results over to FTDNA.

Now we all know that many store clerks are part time workers and some work at 
more than one store. Some FTDNA admins have tested at other companies and are 
willing to help with those results. Most do not. For those that do, many do 
charge a consultant fee, as it is beyond the scope of what they do as a 
volunteer admin with FTDNA. They are acting as a consultant across companies 
and not solely as a volunteer admin with FTDNA.

Hope this analogy clears up some confusion.


Cheri Mello, Family Tree DNA Admin (volunteer)
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Testing

[Cheri Mello]

Hi Laura,

We have many Lauras on the list. And almost a dozen in the project. I don't
know which Laura I am talking to. You may wish to email me privately at
gfscherim at gmail.com

FTDNA does NOT transfer to AncestryDNA. Right now, AncestryDNA testees
before May of this year (2016) can transfer to FTDNA for $39. FTDNA has the
programming complete for AncestryDNA testers after May of this year, but
are working on display issues. So those people won't be able to transfer
for a few more weeks.

On FTDNA, once you have a relative test, you can run the "In Common With"
(or "Not In Common With") filter and get a list of matches common to both
of you. Many will be the lineage you seek. However, you could find my
non-Portuguese mother on that list because you and she have lines in
Virginia, for example.

MtDNA show only ONE line. The testee's mother's mother's mother's line, or
the bottom of your pedigree chart. For you and your daughter, this is the
same line.

You've passed on ALL your mtDNA from your mom to your daughter.

You have passed only HALF of your AUTOSOMAL DNA from your mother to your
daughter (she has 1/4 of grandma). If you have other children, they will
have 1/4 too, but not the exact same 1/4.

As for a different type of test from FTDNA, they try to use the same vial
when possible.
Cheri

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Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 9:55 AM, 'Laura' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

>
> Hi My daughter tested thru ancestry.com and I tested thru Family Finder.
> All results received.  Can we transfer results between (e.g.  FF to
> Ancestry.com or Ancestry.com to FF)  to see a comparison of results?
> Being we have both parents' DNA on each side,  can we just follow the
> female side to compare?  Is this what a mtDNA would show?  To do the mtDNA
> testing can the already DNA samples be used or do we need to submit another
> to do the mtDNA?  Our goal is to see what I've passed on to my daughter
> from my mom.
>
> I realize some of the questions may be odd but we're new to this DNA thing
> and these questions pop up when we get together.
>
> Thanks
> Laura
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA testing a Pacheco

[Pam Santos]

I agree with Cheri. I also have Pacheco's. But not in surname group.

On Monday, December 1, 2014, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote:

 Betty,

 Pacheco can be found in Portugal, Mexico, Spain, and I don't know where
 else.

 I see 28 members in the Pacheco DNA project.  You might want to take
 another look.  Looks like the admin stepped down.  Usually someone from
 FTDNA monitors those projects, but if the admin simply removed their name
 and did not notify FTDNA, then FTDNA doesn't know (there are almost 8100
 projects today).  I will let them know there's not admin.

 But what I was wondering is why would you have your male relative join a
 surname project?  Us Portuguese do not stick with the same surname.  Here's
 a few samples from my tree:
 Antonio Pacheco  Antonio Pacheco  Antonio Mendes
 Francisco Pacheco  Antonio Bento (his wife was the Pacheco)
 Francisco Antonio Pacheco  Antonio Pacheco Dutra  Manuel Pereira Dutra 
 Domingos Pereira  Manuel Pereira de Mendonca

 This why we have geographical based projects like the Azores Project,
 Madeira, Cape Verde, Hawaiian Ancestry, Mayflower, etc.

 You'll still be matched against the entire FTDNA database whether your
 relative joins the Azores, Pacheco, etc project.  You get more filters in
 the project to help you filter matches.

 Cheri

 On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 8:56 AM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','gfsche...@gmail.com'); wrote:

 Repost for Betty Fredericks, bbffrrpp11 at gmail.com

 I want to attempt to talk my husband's uncle into taking a DNA test.
 It won't be easy, and he wouldn't pay for it but maybe his daughter will.
 But, I went to the FamilyTreeDNA site to check out the PACHECO Project.
 On quick look there are less than 20 people participating, and there
 doesn't seem to be an Admin.This surprises me in one way but doesn't
 surprise me in another way.   I very rarely find another PACHECO researcher
 with ties to Greater Boston, MA.But, I thought there would be PACHECO's
 in all of the U.S. who might be interested in their family-tree.

 (At Thanksgiving Dinner last week, I brought this subject up, and my
 step-son - just out of the Navy - reminded me that PACHECO's were in many
 countries.   Of course most know about the name in Mexico,  but he
 mentioned the Philippines.)

 http://www.familytree.com/surnames/Pacheco

 http://www.geni.com/surnames/pacheco

 (interesting info there !)

 Betty(near Lowell, MA, USA)


 P.S.I think I already mentioned that a month ago I found out from a
 1921 newspaper article that my husband's grandfather, Antone PACHECO, did
 have a brother, Manuel PACHECO.They were both living in Cambridge, MA,
 in 1920's, and the brother managed a tap.There were 3  Manuel
 PACHECO's in Cambridge in 1920, so I don't know which one was the
 brother.   But, my gut feeling is the one who owned the Willow Furniture
 Store was the brother.   ...  I haven't had time to try to find out more
 about Manny, but I'll try this week.




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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA testing a Pacheco

[John Vasconcelos]

I have a good friend Luis Pacheco, who was born on Sao Jorge, came to the
US to go to college. Last I knew, he was living in Pleasanton California.
Betty, if that interests you, you can contact me directly.
John Vasconcelos

On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 8:56 AM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote:

 Repost for Betty Fredericks, bbffrrpp11 at gmail.com

 I want to attempt to talk my husband's uncle into taking a DNA test.
 It won't be easy, and he wouldn't pay for it but maybe his daughter will.
 But, I went to the FamilyTreeDNA site to check out the PACHECO Project.
 On quick look there are less than 20 people participating, and there
 doesn't seem to be an Admin.This surprises me in one way but doesn't
 surprise me in another way.   I very rarely find another PACHECO researcher
 with ties to Greater Boston, MA.But, I thought there would be PACHECO's
 in all of the U.S. who might be interested in their family-tree.

 (At Thanksgiving Dinner last week, I brought this subject up, and my
 step-son - just out of the Navy - reminded me that PACHECO's were in many
 countries.   Of course most know about the name in Mexico,  but he
 mentioned the Philippines.)

 http://www.familytree.com/surnames/Pacheco

 http://www.geni.com/surnames/pacheco

 (interesting info there !)

 Betty(near Lowell, MA, USA)


 P.S.I think I already mentioned that a month ago I found out from a
 1921 newspaper article that my husband's grandfather, Antone PACHECO, did
 have a brother, Manuel PACHECO.They were both living in Cambridge, MA,
 in 1920's, and the brother managed a tap.There were 3  Manuel
 PACHECO's in Cambridge in 1920, so I don't know which one was the
 brother.   But, my gut feeling is the one who owned the Willow Furniture
 Store was the brother.   ...  I haven't had time to try to find out more
 about Manny, but I'll try this week.

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Testing

[Erica Botelho]

Cheri,

After you do the test, can you join more than one project. My husband has
ancestors from both the Azores and Madeira. He would like to join both
projects but I am wondering if he would have to do the test twice?

Thank you,

Erica Botelho

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Cheri Mello
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 2:16 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Testing

 

The Azores DNA project is at Family Tree DNA (FTDNA).

If you have already tested and want to join a project, you log into your
personal page, then you look across the blue navigation bar, point to
Projects, then click Join.  If the Azores project is not a suggested project
for you, scroll down to the middle where it says Search by Surname and type
in Azores.  That will pull up the project.

If you tested with another company there is a transfer fee.

If you have not yet tested, you will need to decide on what goal you want to
accomplish with DNA and order a test.  The direct link to order through the
Azores Project is: http://goo.gl/5VNkkv

Cheri Mello
Azores DNA Project admin (volunteer)



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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Testing

[Cheri Mello]

Yes, Erica B, you can join more than one.


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Testing Article

[rcapodc]

Thanks Elaine, very interesting article.  Rosemarie 


From: E Sharp 
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2014 8:44 AM
To: azores 
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Testing Article

There is a very interesting article, starts on the first page of the Sacramento 
Bee, on DNA/DNA kits and the Neanderthal's (how many of you have heard of that 
one :-)?  Anyhow, I found it helpful as I try to understand it all. I think you 
might be able to read it on the SacBee website.

E
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Testing Article

[Shirley Allegre]

E:  What day was this article in the Sacramento Bee?

Shirley in CA
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  Sent: Monday, February 17, 2014 8:44 AM
  Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Testing Article


  There is a very interesting article, starts on the first page of the 
Sacramento Bee, on DNA/DNA kits and the Neanderthal's (how many of you have 
heard of that one :-)?  Anyhow, I found it helpful as I try to understand it 
all. I think you might be able to read it on the SacBee website.


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Testing Article

[E Sharp]

Shirley,

This morning 2/17/2014.

E


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  E:  What day was this article in the Sacramento Bee?

 Shirley in CA

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 *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Testing Article

  There is a very interesting article, starts on the first page of the
 Sacramento Bee, on DNA/DNA kits and the Neanderthal's (how many of you have
 heard of that one :-)?  Anyhow, I found it helpful as I try to understand
 it all. I think you might be able to read it on the SacBee website.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Testing Article

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It's on the front page of today's newspaper (Feb. 17, 2014) in the left column.

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA testing

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

Hi Marcio, This link will take you to the Azores DNA Project where you can
order a test. goo.gl/1hvrp9 

 

Rick

 

Richard Francis Pimentel

Spring, TX

 

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Cheri Mello
Sent: Friday, February 14, 2014 11:26 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA testing

 

Marcio,
It's best to go with Family Tree DNA. That's where the Azores DNA project
is. I'd start off with the Family Finder test, which covers all your lines
back about 200 years from your birth. That test is $99 USD + $7 postage
since you are in Canada.

Yes, there's a bit of a difference between the companies. There are over 600
people with Azorean descent at Family Tree DNA. There's probably about 12
people with Azorean ancestry over at Ancestry.com. There's more at 23 and
Me, but since that company was originally set up for medical type info, most
people there don't answer genealogy requests.

Rick is going to have to send you the join link because my computer froze up
again and I'm answering through my cell. Excuse the typos.

Hope this answers your questions.
Cheri

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I never really got into the DNA testing but would like to know how and where
to do it, how much would it cost. I live in Canada. Is there a diference
between the companies that do it? Thank you for any input on the matter.

 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA testing

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

Family finder will provide matches on all lines going back about 200 years. 
While MtDNA and Y-DNA will only test the Female and male direct lines.

 

Rick

 

Family Tree DNA Co-Administrator
Azores DNA Project

  

Azores DNA Project Co-Administrators

All unpaid volunteers 

Cheri Mello –  

Rick Pimentel –  

Nancy Jean Baptista -  

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Marcio
Sent: Friday, February 14, 2014 11:40 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA testing

 

All lines including the ones from unknown parents?

Sent from my iPhone


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Marcio,
It's best to go with Family Tree DNA. That's where the Azores DNA project is. 
I'd start off with the Family Finder test, which covers all your lines back 
about 200 years from your birth. That test is $99 USD + $7 postage since you 
are in Canada.

Yes, there's a bit of a difference between the companies. There are over 600 
people with Azorean descent at Family Tree DNA. There's probably about 12 
people with Azorean ancestry over at Ancestry.com. There's more at 23 and Me, 
but since that company was originally set up for medical type info, most people 
there don't answer genealogy requests.

Rick is going to have to send you the join link because my computer froze up 
again and I'm answering through my cell. Excuse the typos.

Hope this answers your questions.
Cheri

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I never really got into the DNA testing but would like to know how and where to 
do it, how much would it cost. I live in Canada. Is there a diference between 
the companies that do it? Thank you for any input on the matter.

 

Marcio Borba 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA testing

[Marilyn Thompson]

Marico

I have done the Family Tree DNA testing and a first cousin once removed. We
are still waiting on his results. So I know that you will have some family
on here. I have also made connection with some others in the Azorean DNA
group.

Where are you in Canada? I have cousins in Toronto.

Marilyn


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 Hi Marcio, This link will take you to the Azores DNA Project where you can
 order a test. goo.gl/1hvrp9



 *Rick*



 *Richard Francis Pimentel*

 *Spring, TX*





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 Behalf Of *Cheri Mello
 *Sent:* Friday, February 14, 2014 11:26 PM

 *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA testing



 Marcio,

 It's best to go with Family Tree DNA. That's where the Azores DNA project
 is. I'd start off with the Family Finder test, which covers all your lines
 back about 200 years from your birth. That test is $99 USD + $7 postage
 since you are in Canada.

 Yes, there's a bit of a difference between the companies. There are over
 600 people with Azorean descent at Family Tree DNA. There's probably about
 12 people with Azorean ancestry over at Ancestry.com. There's more at 23
 and Me, but since that company was originally set up for medical type info,
 most people there don't answer genealogy requests.

 Rick is going to have to send you the join link because my computer froze
 up again and I'm answering through my cell. Excuse the typos.

 Hope this answers your questions.
 Cheri

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 wrote:

 I never really got into the DNA testing but would like to know how and
 where to do it, how much would it cost. I live in Canada. Is there a
 diference between the companies that do it? Thank you for any input on the
 matter.



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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA testing

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Marcio,

You have 50% of your parents, 25% of your grands, 12.5% of your greats,
6.25% of your 2 greats, about 3% of your 3 greats...you get the picture.
Whether or not they were incognitos doesn't matter.  You got their DNA.

You'll have to figure out the matches on your known lines first.  Leave the
incognitos for last.  They will take lots and lots of time.

My dad has a prediction of 2nd cousins to a man who doesn't know his
paternal side at all.  My dad is probably his 3rd cousin.  It's been 2 or 3
years, but I do know part of this man's line.  As more and more people test
and we identify the cousinship with some I can figure out the others and
help this guy.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA testing

[Marcio Borba]

Great. Thank you
 
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Em Sábado, 15 de Fevereiro de 2014 11:44, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com 
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Marcio,

You have 50% of your parents, 25% of your grands, 12.5% of your greats, 6.25% 
of your 2 greats, about 3% of your 3 greats...you get the picture.  Whether or 
not they were incognitos doesn't matter.  You got their DNA.  

You'll have to figure out the matches on your known lines first.  Leave the 
incognitos for last.  They will take lots and lots of time.

My dad has a prediction of 2nd cousins to a man who doesn't know his paternal 
side at all.  My dad is probably his 3rd cousin.  It's been 2 or 3 years, but I 
do know part of this man's line.  As more and more people test and we identify 
the cousinship with some I can figure out the others and help this guy.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
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Leaving Yorkdale. Construction around here, so he had to take a detour.

:(

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 On Feb 15, 2014, at 3:01 PM, Marcio Borba marcioborba_ge...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 Great. Thank you
  
 Marcio Borba 
 Feel the Azores... visit http://azorean-roots.blogspot.com
 
 
 Em Sábado, 15 de Fevereiro de 2014 11:44, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com 
 escreveu:
 Marcio,
 
 You have 50% of your parents, 25% of your grands, 12.5% of your greats, 6.25% 
 of your 2 greats, about 3% of your 3 greats...you get the picture.  Whether 
 or not they were incognitos doesn't matter.  You got their DNA.  
 
 You'll have to figure out the matches on your known lines first.  Leave the 
 incognitos for last.  They will take lots and lots of time.
 
 My dad has a prediction of 2nd cousins to a man who doesn't know his paternal 
 side at all.  My dad is probably his 3rd cousin.  It's been 2 or 3 years, but 
 I do know part of this man's line.  As more and more people test and we 
 identify the cousinship with some I can figure out the others and help this 
 guy.
 Cheri Mello
 Listowner, Azores-Gen
 Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, 
 Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA testing

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Thank you Richard. I see so many options that have no clue what to do. 
 
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Leaving Yorkdale. Construction around here, so he had to take a detour.

:(

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Great. Thank you
 
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Em Sábado, 15 de Fevereiro de 2014 11:44, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com 
escreveu:
 
Marcio,

You have 50% of your parents, 25% of your grands, 12.5% of your greats, 6.25% 
of your 2 greats, about 3% of your 3 greats...you get the picture.  Whether or 
not they were incognitos doesn't matter.  You got their DNA.  

You'll have to figure out the matches on your known lines first.  Leave the 
incognitos for last.  They will take lots and lots of time.

My dad has a prediction of 2nd cousins to a man who doesn't know his paternal 
side at all.  My dad is probably his 3rd cousin.  It's been 2 or 3 years, but 
I do know part of this man's line.  As more and more people test and we 
identify the cousinship with some I can figure out the others and help this 
guy.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, 
Achada 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA testing

[Cheri Mello]

Marcio,

I'll email you off list.

Cheri


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 Thank you Richard. I see so many options that have no clue what to do.

 Marcio Borba
 Feel the Azores... visit http://azorean-roots.blogspot.com


   Em Sábado, 15 de Fevereiro de 2014 15:10, Altino Demelo 
 demelo.alt...@yahoo.com escreveu:
  Leaving Yorkdale. Construction around here, so he had to take a detour.

 :(

 Sent from my iPad

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 wrote:

 Great. Thank you

 Marcio Borba
 Feel the Azores... visit http://azorean-roots.blogspot.com


   Em Sábado, 15 de Fevereiro de 2014 11:44, Cheri Mello 
 gfsche...@gmail.com escreveu:
  Marcio,

 You have 50% of your parents, 25% of your grands, 12.5% of your greats,
 6.25% of your 2 greats, about 3% of your 3 greats...you get the picture.
 Whether or not they were incognitos doesn't matter.  You got their DNA.

 You'll have to figure out the matches on your known lines first.  Leave
 the incognitos for last.  They will take lots and lots of time.

 My dad has a prediction of 2nd cousins to a man who doesn't know his
 paternal side at all.  My dad is probably his 3rd cousin.  It's been 2 or 3
 years, but I do know part of this man's line.  As more and more people test
 and we identify the cousinship with some I can figure out the others and
 help this guy.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA testing

[Mary Bordi]

Marcio--

I recommend the Family Finder test. I have only had one MtDNA match and
that was with a young man from mainland Portugal.

My mom and I did the Family Finder and we have many Azorean matches. Of
course I am only one forth Portuguese and she is only half.

You and I match up on paper, so it would be interesting to see if my mom's
test reaches far enough back to match with you.

Mary

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wrote:

 Thank you Richard. I see so many options that have no clue what to do.

 Marcio Borba
 Feel the Azores... visit http://azorean-roots.blogspot.com


   Em Sábado, 15 de Fevereiro de 2014 15:10, Altino Demelo 
 demelo.alt...@yahoo.comjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','demelo.alt...@yahoo.com');
 escreveu:
  Leaving Yorkdale. Construction around here, so he had to take a detour.

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 Sent from my iPad

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 Great. Thank you

 Marcio Borba
 Feel the Azores... visit http://azorean-roots.blogspot.com


   Em Sábado, 15 de Fevereiro de 2014 11:44, Cheri Mello 
 gfsche...@gmail.com escreveu:
  Marcio,

 You have 50% of your parents, 25% of your grands, 12.5% of your greats,
 6.25% of your 2 greats, about 3% of your 3 greats...you get the picture.
 Whether or not they were incognitos doesn't matter.  You got their DNA.

 You'll have to figure out the matches on your known lines first.  Leave
 the incognitos for last.  They will take lots and lots of time.

 My dad has a prediction of 2nd cousins to a man who doesn't know his
 paternal side at all.  My dad is probably his 3rd cousin.  It's been 2 or 3
 years, but I do know part of this man's line.  As more and more people test
 and we identify the cousinship with some I can figure out the others and
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA testing

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Marcio,
It's best to go with Family Tree DNA. That's where the Azores DNA project
is. I'd start off with the Family Finder test, which covers all your lines
back about 200 years from your birth. That test is $99 USD + $7 postage
since you are in Canada.

Yes, there's a bit of a difference between the companies. There are over
600 people with Azorean descent at Family Tree DNA. There's probably about
12 people with Azorean ancestry over at Ancestry.com. There's more at 23
and Me, but since that company was originally set up for medical type info,
most people there don't answer genealogy requests.

Rick is going to have to send you the join link because my computer froze
up again and I'm answering through my cell. Excuse the typos.

Hope this answers your questions.
Cheri
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 I never really got into the DNA testing but would like to know how and
 where to do it, how much would it cost. I live in Canada. Is there a
 diference between the companies that do it? Thank you for any input on the
 matter.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA testing

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All lines including the ones from unknown parents?

Sent from my iPhone

 On Feb 15, 2014, at 12:25 AM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Marcio,
 It's best to go with Family Tree DNA. That's where the Azores DNA project is. 
 I'd start off with the Family Finder test, which covers all your lines back 
 about 200 years from your birth. That test is $99 USD + $7 postage since you 
 are in Canada.
 
 Yes, there's a bit of a difference between the companies. There are over 600 
 people with Azorean descent at Family Tree DNA. There's probably about 12 
 people with Azorean ancestry over at Ancestry.com. There's more at 23 and Me, 
 but since that company was originally set up for medical type info, most 
 people there don't answer genealogy requests.
 
 Rick is going to have to send you the join link because my computer froze up 
 again and I'm answering through my cell. Excuse the typos.
 
 Hope this answers your questions.
 Cheri
 
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 I never really got into the DNA testing but would like to know how and where 
 to do it, how much would it cost. I live in Canada. Is there a diference 
 between the companies that do it? Thank you for any input on the matter.
  
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA testing

[laura warhurst]

Good morning, Cheri, So sorry I didn't know the last name didn't match. I
got remarried so I have different last name. last name is now Pechnik.
289462 is test. Thank you again for your help!


On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 12:15 PM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote:

 Laura,

 The email address that you use for this group does not match Laura
 Warhurst in the FTDNA database.  You need to provide your kit number for
 you and your mother so I know who I'm looking at and can to the correct
 comparison.


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA testing

[laura warhurst]

Isabella, thank you for the book recommendation! I am going to try to find
that book asap!!!


On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 7:53 AM, Isabella Baltar
myportuguese...@gmail.comwrote:

 Laura, you may be interested in reading this book. I'm reading it right
 now.

 The Sephardic Jews of Spain and Portugal : survival of an imperiled
 culture in the fifteenth and sixteenth centuries
 Dolores J Sloan; Jonathan Kirsch

 Isabella Baltar
 myportuguesegen.blogspot.com

 On Wednesday, August 28, 2013 10:54:31 AM UTC-4, laura wrote:

 Hi, Cheri!
I have a question for you. I ordered the MtDNA test and had my mother
 do the test.The results came in but I have no idea how to read it and when
 I check there are no matches. Her mother's mother was the child of a mother
 from Faial ( her name was Maria da Conceicao) and a father from Graciosa
 (Francisco da Sousa Coelho the son of Francisco Silveira da Sousa Coelho).
 But now I am so confused as to who our ancestors from the Azores actually
 are. I had someone contact me saying they were a cousin but after a couple
 of messages back and forth the person never replied and my mother told me
 the relatives that live in Massachusetts had some sort of family feud and
 are not speaking to one another so I am on my own doing research and as you
 can see I am way down the line. I don't know what test if any would show
 any family lines and also I have read where several of the inhabitants of
 the Azores were Sephardic Jews and am also interested in knowing more about
 that. Thank you for any help with this.  Hope your day is blessed. Laura P.


 On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 12:41 AM, Cheri Mello gfsc...@gmail.com wrote:

 Geneva Gervais,

 The mtDNA Plus test tests the HyperVariable Region of the D-Loop.  The
 Full Genomic Sequence for Full Sequence Test tests the complete mtDNA.  All
 100% of it.  Not just the D-loop.  It will bring you closer in time, but
 unless you have a rare mutation, you'll still be looking at matches from a
 couple of thousand of years ago.

 The vast majority of the people in the FTDNA database are indeed alive.
 You will see a few matches with deceased noted after their name.
 Hopefully, someone else is handling their DNA.  It is very important to
 fill out the beneficiary information on the personal FTDNA page.  If you
 can think of someone, that is great, but please, please also add in Or any
 FTDNA Admin so 100 years from now, someone can do something with your DNA
 based on the technology of that time.

 About 10 days ago, I made a new topic/thread about the 3 types of DNA
 testing (that's the name of the thread too).  Here it is again:
 ==**=

 Once upon a time, there were only 2 types of DNA testing: Y-DNA and
 mtDNA.  We talked about these tests from 2000 to about 2010.  It was all
 that was available back then.  Y-DNA tested a MAN's strict paternal line:
 His father's father's father's line, or top of the pedigree.  If you were a
 female, you had to hunt a male relative down to do a DNA test for that
 line.  Also available was mtDNA: this is anyone's mother's mother's
 mother's line, or the bottom of the pedigree.  Most of the information from
 an mtDNA test is more anthropological in nature than genealogical
 (anthropological = like anthropology - deep roots, out of Africa theory,
 think the Flintstones for those familiar with that cartoon series).

 I guess the DNA community did a real good job of getting Y-DNA and mtDNA
 into everyone's heads.  So in 2010, a new type of DNA testing was
 available.  Autosomal DNA testing.  Family Tree DNA marketed this test as
 Family Finder (FF).  It's a completely different type of test.

 Family Finder (FF) covers ALL the lines of the testee (whether a man or
 a woman takes the test) back about 200 years.  I was born in the 1960s.  I
 should see results going back to about the 1760s.  I should find matches
 that are Portuguese from my dad's half, matches from my dad's British Isles
 half, and matches from my mom's Ozarks lineage.  I'm seeing my ENTIRE
 tree.  But since I still have access to my parents, I tested them.  They
 are born in the 1930s, so I should see matches on ALL their lines back to
 about the 1730s.  I have identified one on my mom back to 1760.  I've
 identified a couple of my dad that go back far - one to 1696, but that's an
 intermarried line, so the DNA did not get diluted.

 Those are the 3 types of DNA testing for genealogists on the market.
 Which one should you chose?  That depends on your goal.  A Y-DNA or mtDNA
 gives a restricted, narrow focus:  One line only.  Family Finder (FF) gives
 a broad overview of ALL your lines.  It's presented to you as a plate of
 spaghetti and you have to untangle all the lines.  Posting your Gedcom is
 necessary so you can see your matches' trees and your matches can see your
 tree.

 Cheri Mello
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA testing

[laura warhurst]

Cheri, I had not checked my email in a couple of days and when I sent you
this earlier email I did not know that when I went into the Ftdna site that
there were a few matches in there!! I am really happy to see that! It is a
starting point so woo hoo!! I really appreciate how helpful everyone is
being. So nice to know there are people who try to help strangers. I am
going to try to do the family finder test as soon as I can afford it. I
know the price is wonderful now.


On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 12:41 AM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote:

 Geneva Gervais,

 The mtDNA Plus test tests the HyperVariable Region of the D-Loop.  The
 Full Genomic Sequence for Full Sequence Test tests the complete mtDNA.  All
 100% of it.  Not just the D-loop.  It will bring you closer in time, but
 unless you have a rare mutation, you'll still be looking at matches from a
 couple of thousand of years ago.

 The vast majority of the people in the FTDNA database are indeed alive.
 You will see a few matches with deceased noted after their name.
 Hopefully, someone else is handling their DNA.  It is very important to
 fill out the beneficiary information on the personal FTDNA page.  If you
 can think of someone, that is great, but please, please also add in Or any
 FTDNA Admin so 100 years from now, someone can do something with your DNA
 based on the technology of that time.

 About 10 days ago, I made a new topic/thread about the 3 types of DNA
 testing (that's the name of the thread too).  Here it is again:
 ===

 Once upon a time, there were only 2 types of DNA testing: Y-DNA and
 mtDNA.  We talked about these tests from 2000 to about 2010.  It was all
 that was available back then.  Y-DNA tested a MAN's strict paternal line:
 His father's father's father's line, or top of the pedigree.  If you were a
 female, you had to hunt a male relative down to do a DNA test for that
 line.  Also available was mtDNA: this is anyone's mother's mother's
 mother's line, or the bottom of the pedigree.  Most of the information from
 an mtDNA test is more anthropological in nature than genealogical
 (anthropological = like anthropology - deep roots, out of Africa theory,
 think the Flintstones for those familiar with that cartoon series).

 I guess the DNA community did a real good job of getting Y-DNA and mtDNA
 into everyone's heads.  So in 2010, a new type of DNA testing was
 available.  Autosomal DNA testing.  Family Tree DNA marketed this test as
 Family Finder (FF).  It's a completely different type of test.

 Family Finder (FF) covers ALL the lines of the testee (whether a man or a
 woman takes the test) back about 200 years.  I was born in the 1960s.  I
 should see results going back to about the 1760s.  I should find matches
 that are Portuguese from my dad's half, matches from my dad's British Isles
 half, and matches from my mom's Ozarks lineage.  I'm seeing my ENTIRE
 tree.  But since I still have access to my parents, I tested them.  They
 are born in the 1930s, so I should see matches on ALL their lines back to
 about the 1730s.  I have identified one on my mom back to 1760.  I've
 identified a couple of my dad that go back far - one to 1696, but that's an
 intermarried line, so the DNA did not get diluted.

 Those are the 3 types of DNA testing for genealogists on the market.
 Which one should you chose?  That depends on your goal.  A Y-DNA or mtDNA
 gives a restricted, narrow focus:  One line only.  Family Finder (FF) gives
 a broad overview of ALL your lines.  It's presented to you as a plate of
 spaghetti and you have to untangle all the lines.  Posting your Gedcom is
 necessary so you can see your matches' trees and your matches can see your
 tree.

 Cheri Mello
 Listowner, Azores-Gen
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA testing+ Sephardic Jews

[laura warhurst]

Shirl, Thank you so much for your help. I have heard that supposedly our
line came from Spain. Then to Azores, then some went to New Bedford,Mass,
one to Brazil to open a coffee plantation, , some to Calif. It is so
difficult to figure out last names since many were changed when they left
the Azores it is rather like a mystery. And many people are now deceased so
trail hard to follow. But I figure those islands were so small and like a
small town most people knew one another. Have a wonderful day!!


On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 8:57 PM, Shirl Sereque
shirl.sere...@frontier.comwrote:

 My Sephardic Jewish side came from Morocco to Terceira.  Some lived in
 Lisbon, two sons went to Brazil, and my direct line went to Boston,
 Mass.  There were some who lived in Holland until they were forced out and
 went to England where they were more tolerant of Jews.  The names are
 Seriqui, Benarus, Bensabat, Alflalo, and a bunch of others I can't think of
 from the top of my head.
 - Shirl -

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA testing

[Cheri Mello]

Laura W,

I need your mother's kit number too.


On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 6:50 AM, laura warhurst laraly...@gmail.com wrote:

 Good morning, Cheri, So sorry I didn't know the last name didn't match. I
 got remarried so I have different last name. last name is now Pechnik.
 289462 is test. Thank you again for your help!


 On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 12:15 PM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote:

 Laura,

 The email address that you use for this group does not match Laura
 Warhurst in the FTDNA database.  You need to provide your kit number for
 you and your mother so I know who I'm looking at and can to the correct
 comparison.


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA testing

[laura warhurst]

289462


On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 11:30 AM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote:

 Laura W,

 I need your mother's kit number too.


 On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 6:50 AM, laura warhurst laraly...@gmail.comwrote:

 Good morning, Cheri, So sorry I didn't know the last name didn't match. I
 got remarried so I have different last name. last name is now Pechnik.
 289462 is test. Thank you again for your help!


 On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 12:15 PM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.comwrote:

 Laura,

 The email address that you use for this group does not match Laura
 Warhurst in the FTDNA database.  You need to provide your kit number for
 you and your mother so I know who I'm looking at and can to the correct
 comparison.


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA testing

[laura warhurst]

 I only tested my mother, I didn't change the name because I wasn't
sure how to do last name change on the site for the test since it was
registered in my name and not hers'.


On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 11:30 AM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote:

 Laura W,

 I need your mother's kit number too.


 On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 6:50 AM, laura warhurst laraly...@gmail.comwrote:

 Good morning, Cheri, So sorry I didn't know the last name didn't match. I
 got remarried so I have different last name. last name is now Pechnik.
 289462 is test. Thank you again for your help!


 On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 12:15 PM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.comwrote:

 Laura,

 The email address that you use for this group does not match Laura
 Warhurst in the FTDNA database.  You need to provide your kit number for
 you and your mother so I know who I'm looking at and can to the correct
 comparison.


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA testing

[Cheri Mello]

Laura W,
Log in.  My Account  Contact Information.  That's where you change it.  It
asked for the name of the person taking the test when you signed up.  It's
becoming more and more difficult for me and the other admins to know who we
are dealing with and who took the test.  I've been telling people to type
the first name of the testee, then the last name followed by the contact
information.  Here's my dad's:
First: George
Last: Mello (contact is Cheri)

Or some people put (c/o Cheri) or whatever.  It makes it more clear.  Right
now, we have 565 members so it is getting a bit overwhelming to keep up.
Adding in the additional information after the last name makes it not only
easier for the admins, but for all your matches.

Thanks!!
Cheri


On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 8:45 AM, laura warhurst laraly...@gmail.com wrote:

  I only tested my mother, I didn't change the name because I wasn't
 sure how to do last name change on the site for the test since it was
 registered in my name and not hers'.


 On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 11:30 AM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote:

 Laura W,

 I need your mother's kit number too.


 On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 6:50 AM, laura warhurst laraly...@gmail.comwrote:

 Good morning, Cheri, So sorry I didn't know the last name didn't match.
 I got remarried so I have different last name. last name is now Pechnik.
 289462 is test. Thank you again for your help!


 On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 12:15 PM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.comwrote:

 Laura,

 The email address that you use for this group does not match Laura
 Warhurst in the FTDNA database.  You need to provide your kit number for
 you and your mother so I know who I'm looking at and can to the correct
 comparison.


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA testing

[laura warhurst]

Thank you so much for helping me with this. I originally bought the test
with the intention of taking it myself but I thought for research purposes
I should get my mother since she is closer to the Azorean relative than me.
I am sorry that I messed up.


On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 1:05 PM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote:

 Laura W,
 Log in.  My Account  Contact Information.  That's where you change it.
 It asked for the name of the person taking the test when you signed up.
 It's becoming more and more difficult for me and the other admins to know
 who we are dealing with and who took the test.  I've been telling people to
 type the first name of the testee, then the last name followed by the
 contact information.  Here's my dad's:
 First: George
 Last: Mello (contact is Cheri)

 Or some people put (c/o Cheri) or whatever.  It makes it more clear.
 Right now, we have 565 members so it is getting a bit overwhelming to keep
 up.  Adding in the additional information after the last name makes it not
 only easier for the admins, but for all your matches.

 Thanks!!
 Cheri


 On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 8:45 AM, laura warhurst laraly...@gmail.comwrote:

  I only tested my mother, I didn't change the name because I wasn't
 sure how to do last name change on the site for the test since it was
 registered in my name and not hers'.


 On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 11:30 AM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.comwrote:

 Laura W,

 I need your mother's kit number too.


 On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 6:50 AM, laura warhurst laraly...@gmail.comwrote:

 Good morning, Cheri, So sorry I didn't know the last name didn't match.
 I got remarried so I have different last name. last name is now Pechnik.
 289462 is test. Thank you again for your help!


 On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 12:15 PM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.comwrote:

 Laura,

 The email address that you use for this group does not match Laura
 Warhurst in the FTDNA database.  You need to provide your kit number for
 you and your mother so I know who I'm looking at and can to the correct
 comparison.


 Cheri Mello
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA testing

[Isabella Baltar]

Laura, you may be interested in reading this book. I'm reading it right now.
 
The Sephardic Jews of Spain and Portugal : survival of an imperiled culture 
in the fifteenth and sixteenth centuries
Dolores J Sloan; Jonathan Kirsch
 
Isabella Baltar
myportuguesegen.blogspot.com

On Wednesday, August 28, 2013 10:54:31 AM UTC-4, laura wrote:

 Hi, Cheri!
I have a question for you. I ordered the MtDNA test and had my mother 
 do the test.The results came in but I have no idea how to read it and when 
 I check there are no matches. Her mother's mother was the child of a mother 
 from Faial ( her name was Maria da Conceicao) and a father from Graciosa 
 (Francisco da Sousa Coelho the son of Francisco Silveira da Sousa Coelho). 
 But now I am so confused as to who our ancestors from the Azores actually 
 are. I had someone contact me saying they were a cousin but after a couple 
 of messages back and forth the person never replied and my mother told me 
 the relatives that live in Massachusetts had some sort of family feud and 
 are not speaking to one another so I am on my own doing research and as you 
 can see I am way down the line. I don't know what test if any would show 
 any family lines and also I have read where several of the inhabitants of 
 the Azores were Sephardic Jews and am also interested in knowing more about 
 that. Thank you for any help with this.  Hope your day is blessed. Laura P. 


 On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 12:41 AM, Cheri Mello gfsc...@gmail.comjavascript:
  wrote:

 Geneva Gervais,

 The mtDNA Plus test tests the HyperVariable Region of the D-Loop.  The 
 Full Genomic Sequence for Full Sequence Test tests the complete mtDNA.  All 
 100% of it.  Not just the D-loop.  It will bring you closer in time, but 
 unless you have a rare mutation, you'll still be looking at matches from a 
 couple of thousand of years ago.

 The vast majority of the people in the FTDNA database are indeed alive.  
 You will see a few matches with deceased noted after their name.  
 Hopefully, someone else is handling their DNA.  It is very important to 
 fill out the beneficiary information on the personal FTDNA page.  If you 
 can think of someone, that is great, but please, please also add in Or any 
 FTDNA Admin so 100 years from now, someone can do something with your DNA 
 based on the technology of that time.

 About 10 days ago, I made a new topic/thread about the 3 types of DNA 
 testing (that's the name of the thread too).  Here it is again:
 ===

 Once upon a time, there were only 2 types of DNA testing: Y-DNA and 
 mtDNA.  We talked about these tests from 2000 to about 2010.  It was all 
 that was available back then.  Y-DNA tested a MAN's strict paternal line: 
 His father's father's father's line, or top of the pedigree.  If you were a 
 female, you had to hunt a male relative down to do a DNA test for that 
 line.  Also available was mtDNA: this is anyone's mother's mother's 
 mother's line, or the bottom of the pedigree.  Most of the information from 
 an mtDNA test is more anthropological in nature than genealogical 
 (anthropological = like anthropology - deep roots, out of Africa theory, 
 think the Flintstones for those familiar with that cartoon series).  

 I guess the DNA community did a real good job of getting Y-DNA and mtDNA 
 into everyone's heads.  So in 2010, a new type of DNA testing was 
 available.  Autosomal DNA testing.  Family Tree DNA marketed this test as 
 Family Finder (FF).  It's a completely different type of test.

 Family Finder (FF) covers ALL the lines of the testee (whether a man or a 
 woman takes the test) back about 200 years.  I was born in the 1960s.  I 
 should see results going back to about the 1760s.  I should find matches 
 that are Portuguese from my dad's half, matches from my dad's British Isles 
 half, and matches from my mom's Ozarks lineage.  I'm seeing my ENTIRE 
 tree.  But since I still have access to my parents, I tested them.  They 
 are born in the 1930s, so I should see matches on ALL their lines back to 
 about the 1730s.  I have identified one on my mom back to 1760.  I've 
 identified a couple of my dad that go back far - one to 1696, but that's an 
 intermarried line, so the DNA did not get diluted.

 Those are the 3 types of DNA testing for genealogists on the market.  
 Which one should you chose?  That depends on your goal.  A Y-DNA or mtDNA 
 gives a restricted, narrow focus:  One line only.  Family Finder (FF) gives 
 a broad overview of ALL your lines.  It's presented to you as a plate of 
 spaghetti and you have to untangle all the lines.  Posting your Gedcom is 
 necessary so you can see your matches' trees and your matches can see your 
 tree.

 Cheri Mello
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA testing

[laura warhurst]

Hi, Cheri!
   I have a question for you. I ordered the MtDNA test and had my mother do
the test.The results came in but I have no idea how to read it and when I
check there are no matches. Her mother's mother was the child of a mother
from Faial ( her name was Maria da Conceicao) and a father from Graciosa
(Francisco da Sousa Coelho the son of Francisco Silveira da Sousa Coelho).
But now I am so confused as to who our ancestors from the Azores actually
are. I had someone contact me saying they were a cousin but after a couple
of messages back and forth the person never replied and my mother told me
the relatives that live in Massachusetts had some sort of family feud and
are not speaking to one another so I am on my own doing research and as you
can see I am way down the line. I don't know what test if any would show
any family lines and also I have read where several of the inhabitants of
the Azores were Sephardic Jews and am also interested in knowing more about
that. Thank you for any help with this.  Hope your day is blessed. Laura P.


On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 12:41 AM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote:

 Geneva Gervais,

 The mtDNA Plus test tests the HyperVariable Region of the D-Loop.  The
 Full Genomic Sequence for Full Sequence Test tests the complete mtDNA.  All
 100% of it.  Not just the D-loop.  It will bring you closer in time, but
 unless you have a rare mutation, you'll still be looking at matches from a
 couple of thousand of years ago.

 The vast majority of the people in the FTDNA database are indeed alive.
 You will see a few matches with deceased noted after their name.
 Hopefully, someone else is handling their DNA.  It is very important to
 fill out the beneficiary information on the personal FTDNA page.  If you
 can think of someone, that is great, but please, please also add in Or any
 FTDNA Admin so 100 years from now, someone can do something with your DNA
 based on the technology of that time.

 About 10 days ago, I made a new topic/thread about the 3 types of DNA
 testing (that's the name of the thread too).  Here it is again:
 ===

 Once upon a time, there were only 2 types of DNA testing: Y-DNA and
 mtDNA.  We talked about these tests from 2000 to about 2010.  It was all
 that was available back then.  Y-DNA tested a MAN's strict paternal line:
 His father's father's father's line, or top of the pedigree.  If you were a
 female, you had to hunt a male relative down to do a DNA test for that
 line.  Also available was mtDNA: this is anyone's mother's mother's
 mother's line, or the bottom of the pedigree.  Most of the information from
 an mtDNA test is more anthropological in nature than genealogical
 (anthropological = like anthropology - deep roots, out of Africa theory,
 think the Flintstones for those familiar with that cartoon series).

 I guess the DNA community did a real good job of getting Y-DNA and mtDNA
 into everyone's heads.  So in 2010, a new type of DNA testing was
 available.  Autosomal DNA testing.  Family Tree DNA marketed this test as
 Family Finder (FF).  It's a completely different type of test.

 Family Finder (FF) covers ALL the lines of the testee (whether a man or a
 woman takes the test) back about 200 years.  I was born in the 1960s.  I
 should see results going back to about the 1760s.  I should find matches
 that are Portuguese from my dad's half, matches from my dad's British Isles
 half, and matches from my mom's Ozarks lineage.  I'm seeing my ENTIRE
 tree.  But since I still have access to my parents, I tested them.  They
 are born in the 1930s, so I should see matches on ALL their lines back to
 about the 1730s.  I have identified one on my mom back to 1760.  I've
 identified a couple of my dad that go back far - one to 1696, but that's an
 intermarried line, so the DNA did not get diluted.

 Those are the 3 types of DNA testing for genealogists on the market.
 Which one should you chose?  That depends on your goal.  A Y-DNA or mtDNA
 gives a restricted, narrow focus:  One line only.  Family Finder (FF) gives
 a broad overview of ALL your lines.  It's presented to you as a plate of
 spaghetti and you have to untangle all the lines.  Posting your Gedcom is
 necessary so you can see your matches' trees and your matches can see your
 tree.

 Cheri Mello
 Listowner, Azores-Gen
 Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
 Tainhas, Achada

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA testing

[Cheri Mello]

Laura,

The email address that you use for this group does not match Laura Warhurst
in the FTDNA database.  You need to provide your kit number for you and
your mother so I know who I'm looking at and can to the correct comparison.


Cheri Mello
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA testing+ Sephardic Jews

[Shirl Sereque]

My Sephardic Jewish side came from Morocco to Terceira.  Some lived in Lisbon, 
two sons went to Brazil, and my direct line went to Boston, Mass.  There 
were some who lived in Holland until they were forced out and went to England 
where they were more tolerant of Jews.  The names are Seriqui, Benarus, 
Bensabat, Alflalo, and a bunch of others I can't think of from the top of my 
head.
- Shirl -




 From: laura warhurst laraly...@gmail.com

 I have read where several of the inhabitants of the Azores were Sephardic Jews 
and am also interested in knowing more about that. Thank you for any help with 
this.  

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA testing

[Seekgene]

Why don't you go for the Family Finder test.  They just reduced the  price, 
too. This will test across both your mother's and father's lines and  it's 
said to go back as far as five generations.  You don't need to have a  male 
or female to test in your family, only  yourself.   I have had much more 
results with the Family  Finder than either the Y-DNA or mt-DNA tests.  Boa 
sorte!
 
 
In a message dated 8/28/2013 8:51:01 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
laraly...@gmail.com writes:

 
Hi, Cheri!
   I have a question for you. I ordered the MtDNA test and had  my mother 
do the test.The results came in but I have no idea how to read it  and when I 
check there are no matches. Her mother's mother was the child of a  mother 
from Faial ( her name was Maria da Conceicao) and a father from  Graciosa 
(Francisco da Sousa Coelho the son of Francisco Silveira da Sousa  Coelho). 
But now I am so confused as to who our ancestors from the Azores  actually 
are. I had someone contact me saying they were a cousin but after a  couple of 
messages back and forth the person never replied and my mother told  me the 
relatives that live in Massachusetts had some sort of family feud and  are 
not speaking to one another so I am on my own doing research and as you  can 
see I am way down the line. I don't know what test if any would show any  
family lines and also I have read where several of the inhabitants of the  
Azores were Sephardic Jews and am also interested in knowing more about that.  
Thank you for any help with this.  Hope your day is blessed. Laura P.  



On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 12:41 AM, Cheri Mello _gfscherim@gmail.com_ 
(mailto:gfsche...@gmail.com)  wrote:


 
 
Geneva Gervais,


The mtDNA Plus test tests the  HyperVariable Region of the D-Loop.  The 
Full Genomic Sequence for Full  Sequence Test tests the complete mtDNA.  All 
100% of it.  Not just  the D-loop.  It will bring you closer in time, but 
unless you have a  rare mutation, you'll still be looking at matches from a 
couple of thousand  of years ago.


The vast majority of the people in the FTDNA  database are indeed alive.  
You will see a few matches with deceased  noted after their name.  
Hopefully, someone else is handling their  DNA.  It is very important to fill 
out 
the beneficiary information on  the personal FTDNA page.  If you can think of 
someone, that is great,  but please, please also add in Or any FTDNA Admin 
so 100 years from now,  someone can do something with your DNA based on the 
technology of that  time.


About 10 days ago, I made a new topic/thread about the 3  types of DNA 
testing (that's the name of the thread too).  Here it is  again:
===

Once upon a time, there  were only 2 types of DNA testing: Y-DNA and mtDNA. 
 We talked about  these tests from 2000 to about 2010.  It was all that was 
available  back then.  Y-DNA tested a MAN's strict paternal line: His 
father's  father's father's line, or top of the pedigree.  If you were a 
female,  
you had to hunt a male relative down to do a DNA test for that line.   Also 
available was mtDNA: this is anyone's mother's mother's mother's line,  or 
the bottom of the pedigree.  Most of the information from an mtDNA  test is 
more anthropological in nature than genealogical (anthropological =  like 
anthropology - deep roots, out of Africa theory, think the Flintstones  for 
those familiar with that cartoon series).  

I guess the DNA  community did a real good job of getting Y-DNA and mtDNA 
into everyone's  heads.  So in 2010, a new type of DNA testing was available. 
  Autosomal DNA testing.  Family Tree DNA marketed this test as Family  
Finder (FF).  It's a completely different type of test.

Family  Finder (FF) covers ALL the lines of the testee (whether a man or a 
woman  takes the test) back about 200 years.  I was born in the 1960s.  I  
should see results going back to about the 1760s.  I should find  matches 
that are Portuguese from my dad's half, matches from my dad's  British Isles 
half, and matches from my mom's Ozarks lineage.  I'm  seeing my ENTIRE tree.  
But since I still have access to my parents, I  tested them.  They are born 
in the 1930s, so I should see matches on  ALL their lines back to about the 
1730s.  I have identified one on my  mom back to 1760.  I've identified a 
couple of my dad that go back far  - one to 1696, but that's an intermarried 
line, so the DNA did not get  diluted.

Those are the 3 types of DNA testing for genealogists on the  market.  
Which one should you chose?  That depends on your  goal.  A Y-DNA or mtDNA 
gives 
a restricted, narrow focus:  One  line only.  Family Finder (FF) gives a 
broad overview of ALL your  lines.  It's presented to you as a plate of 
spaghetti and you have to  untangle all the lines.  Posting your Gedcom is 
necessary so you can  see your matches' trees and your matches can see your 
tree.

 
 

Cheri Mello
Listowner,  Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA testing

[Cheri Mello]

Geneva Gervais,

The mtDNA Plus test tests the HyperVariable Region of the D-Loop.  The Full
Genomic Sequence for Full Sequence Test tests the complete mtDNA.  All 100%
of it.  Not just the D-loop.  It will bring you closer in time, but unless
you have a rare mutation, you'll still be looking at matches from a couple
of thousand of years ago.

The vast majority of the people in the FTDNA database are indeed alive.
You will see a few matches with deceased noted after their name.
Hopefully, someone else is handling their DNA.  It is very important to
fill out the beneficiary information on the personal FTDNA page.  If you
can think of someone, that is great, but please, please also add in Or any
FTDNA Admin so 100 years from now, someone can do something with your DNA
based on the technology of that time.

About 10 days ago, I made a new topic/thread about the 3 types of DNA
testing (that's the name of the thread too).  Here it is again:
===

Once upon a time, there were only 2 types of DNA testing: Y-DNA and mtDNA.
We talked about these tests from 2000 to about 2010.  It was all that was
available back then.  Y-DNA tested a MAN's strict paternal line: His
father's father's father's line, or top of the pedigree.  If you were a
female, you had to hunt a male relative down to do a DNA test for that
line.  Also available was mtDNA: this is anyone's mother's mother's
mother's line, or the bottom of the pedigree.  Most of the information from
an mtDNA test is more anthropological in nature than genealogical
(anthropological = like anthropology - deep roots, out of Africa theory,
think the Flintstones for those familiar with that cartoon series).

I guess the DNA community did a real good job of getting Y-DNA and mtDNA
into everyone's heads.  So in 2010, a new type of DNA testing was
available.  Autosomal DNA testing.  Family Tree DNA marketed this test as
Family Finder (FF).  It's a completely different type of test.

Family Finder (FF) covers ALL the lines of the testee (whether a man or a
woman takes the test) back about 200 years.  I was born in the 1960s.  I
should see results going back to about the 1760s.  I should find matches
that are Portuguese from my dad's half, matches from my dad's British Isles
half, and matches from my mom's Ozarks lineage.  I'm seeing my ENTIRE
tree.  But since I still have access to my parents, I tested them.  They
are born in the 1930s, so I should see matches on ALL their lines back to
about the 1730s.  I have identified one on my mom back to 1760.  I've
identified a couple of my dad that go back far - one to 1696, but that's an
intermarried line, so the DNA did not get diluted.

Those are the 3 types of DNA testing for genealogists on the market.  Which
one should you chose?  That depends on your goal.  A Y-DNA or mtDNA gives a
restricted, narrow focus:  One line only.  Family Finder (FF) gives a broad
overview of ALL your lines.  It's presented to you as a plate of spaghetti
and you have to untangle all the lines.  Posting your Gedcom is necessary
so you can see your matches' trees and your matches can see your tree.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA testing

[nancy jean baptiste]

Hi Vicki,
 
I would have Y plus MT DNA done on your Dad. That will give you your/his male 
line as well as his mothers DNA group.
 
I did this with my dads brother since my dad was deceased and found their 
mother's dna group. I wish I had a complete great grandparent DNA library.
 
Nancy Jean
 
From: vr...@redshift.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA testing
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 10:46:43 -0700

Hello, Which DNA test should I do with my Daddy.  He is almost 88 and I thought 
doing a DNA testing with him might help with research.  I haven’t really 
checked into what the DNA testing would do for my research but Daddy is the 
last of the male Madeiros Family so I was thinking it would be good to get it 
done. Any info would be appreciated.   Thanks so much,  Vicki




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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA testing

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

Hi Vicki,

 

To add to Nancy Jean's replied. It is always difficult to say what test to
take because there are so many variables and the one size fits all may not
hold true. A lot will depend on what you want to find out. Family Tree DNA
keeps your DNA sample on file for 25 years so if you want to do further
testing down the road you can, even if your father has passed on. The caveat
I would add and I have had it happen to me is I had an uncle we tested Y-12
DNA. After he passed on we wanted to test him further to eliminate many of
the anthropological matches and we decided to upgrade to a Y-37. When they
pulled his sample on file there was just enough DNA to do the test. If we
wanted to test further we will be unable to do so. Fortunately we do not
feel we have to test him further. So the suggestion is to get as much
testing done now as you can afford.

 

If you are more interested in your fathers direct line or his mother's
direct line then what Nancy Jean suggested is good. If you are more
interested in making connections in your family tree then the family finder
is the way to go. 

 

Family Tree DNA has a summer sale and there are some great deals in ordering
then. (It is a well-kept secret when they will have it.) Be sure to join the
Azores DNA Project at the same time. I checked last week and we have over
470 members in the Project.  Family Tree DNA is the largest of any DNA
testing company which means the larger the company the better chance of
having a match.

 

We will be announcing the Family Tree DNA sale on this list when it happens.

 

 

Rick

Family Tree DNA Co-Administrator
Azores DNA Project

 

Azores DNA Project Co-Administrators

All unpaid volunteers 

Cherri Mello -  mailto:gfsche...@gmail.com gfsche...@gmail.com 

Rick Pimentel -  mailto:rickredle...@gmail.com rickredle...@gmail.com 

Nancy Jean Baptista -  mailto:fishsongf...@hotmail.com
fishsongf...@hotmail.com 

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
nancy jean baptiste
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 1:15 PM
To: azores group
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA testing

 

Hi Vicki,
 
I would have Y plus MT DNA done on your Dad. That will give you your/his
male line as well as his mothers DNA group.
 
I did this with my dads brother since my dad was deceased and found their
mother's dna group. I wish I had a complete great grandparent DNA library.
 
Nancy Jean
 

  _  

From: vr...@redshift.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA testing
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 10:46:43 -0700

Hello, 

Which DNA test should I do with my Daddy.  He is almost 88 and I thought
doing a DNA testing with him might help with research.  I haven't really
checked into what the DNA testing would do for my research but Daddy is the
last of the male Madeiros Family so I was thinking it would be good to get
it done.

 

Any info would be appreciated.  

 

Thanks so much,  Vicki


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA testing

[Cheri Mello]

Vicki,

I'd start with Y-DNA then do Family Finder.  His vials are stored for 25
years.  So order a test, any test.  The Sizzling Summer Sale should be
soon. Last year, it was the week after the 4th of July.

The Y-DNA would be your Madeiros/Medeiros line (top of your pedigree
chart). Just that one line only.  A 37 or 67 marker test will yield more
genealogical type results once matches are made.

The mtDNA would be your dad's mother's mother's mother's line.  Bottom of
his pedigree chart.  Just that one line only.  The results are more
anthropological in nature.

The Family Finder would be your dad's entire pedigree going back about 200
years from your dad's birth. So if your dad was born 1925, you could find
matches with others where your common ancestor is born the 1720s or more
recent (FTDNA says it's only 5 generations, but that's more for people who
aren't trapped on islands where we all married cousins!)

Because of your dad's age, here's what I'd do and why.
NOT mtDNA right now.  mtDNA is very hardy and most people have an abundance
of it.  So if you wait 25 years to do your dad's mtDNA, they'll still
probably be able to extract it.

Y-DNA:  Here's my story.  I did 37 markers on my dad.  No problem.  A few
years later, they had an upgrade sale so I decided to go out to 67 on him.
When they pulled his vial, there were very few Y chromosomes in his vial.
The ones that were left were broken off at markers 38-67.  They couldn't
get markers 38-67.  So they sent me more vials and I had my dad rescrape.
No problem, he had LOTS of Ys in that sample and they had no problem.  But
if I waited 25 years, my dad would be 96 by then.  Not sure if he'll be
around then.  So you don't know what you get when you are scraping.

FamilyFinder:  There is 1 list member whose dad has passed on and they had
problems getting the autosomal DNA.  They sent her another kit, not knowing
her dad had passed.  But I think they tried again and got it.  I need to
follow up with her, but this was finals week here and I've been going crazy
with everything here in real life.

What percent of the time do they encounter problems?  I think they say
something like 2-3%. I'd have to look up the statistic.  Not much, unless
it's your DNA.

Cheri Mello
Family Tree DNA Admin (volunteer)
Azores DNA Project

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Testing companies

[Seekgene]

Since I tested first with National Geographic, then it went to Family Tree  
and Azores group.  Then I tested with Family Finder.  Does that mean  the 
Family Finder also gives the results to the Family Tree Azores project or do  
I have to request it?
 
 
In a message dated 6/1/2012 6:39:05 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
gfsche...@gmail.com writes:

I've got  a couple of different emails here, so I'll try to clarify  
briefly.

There are different DNA testing companies.  When you do a  DNA test, you 
have to have the company that you bought it from assist  you.  

Some DNA testing companies:
Ancestry.com (they have like  3 people of Azores descent that I'm aware of).
Family Tree DNA (the one  that Rick and I are admins on.  And the current 
sale is with).   About 350+ people of Azorean descent.
GeneTree
Oxford Ancestors
23  and Me (also does medical testing)
National Genographic (they can partner  with Family Tree DNA and accepts 
their transfers)

Companies can also  buy each other out.  So some DNA testing companies 
don't exist  anymore:
DNA Heritage (bought out by Family Tree DNA)
Relative Genetics  (bought out by Ancestry)
and more.

And those are the ones that test  DNA for genealogy purposes.  There are 
also DNA testing companies for  paternity in a court of law, crime labs, 
medical DNA testing and probably  more.

So, just to clarify, the Azores DNA Project is housed at Family  Tree DNA 
(FTDNA).  They are having a sale on Family Finder that I have  been speaking 
about.  No, Ancestry.com is not having a sale (that I'm  aware of).  No, a 
log in from Oxford Ancestors cannot be typed into  Family Tree DNA and have 
it work. A DNA test from FTDNA would need to be  purchased.

Hope this clarifies.  I've had a couple of emails about  this (different 
testing companies).  The Azores DNA project is on Family  Tree DNA (FTDNA). 
_www.ftdna.com_ (http://www.ftdna.com/) 

Cheri Mello
Azores  DNA Project housed at
Family Tree DNA


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA testing

[Cheri Mello]

Gail,

You can change the name of who you are testing up until the time you mail
in the kit.  So if you test your aunt, just log into your FTDNA page and
under name put your aunt, address line 1 c/o Gail Elizares, address line 2
(an address).  Phone would be better to have yours since you will be
handling the DNA.  Email would be better to have yours since you are
handling the DNA.

Cheri
Cheri Mello
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Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Testing companies

[Cheri Mello]

Hi Marie,

You have ordered the Family Finder test.  I got the notification.  All
projects you are in are notified about tests you order.

Cheri


Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Testing companies

[Diane Lavely]

Hello again, Cheri.  You may recall that I had DNA testing done on my
mother - - hoping to find out information on her grandparents sho were from
the Azores.  Little info resulted.  I am also looking for information on my
father's great grandfather.  We had discussed requesting my uncle do DNA
(as the only living relative of that generation).  However, he did not
respond to my request and has subseuently passed.  Now, I am considering
having my brother do the DNA for that purpose.  Any advice?  Thanks.
Diane.


On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 6:38 AM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote:

 I've got a couple of different emails here, so I'll try to clarify briefly.

 There are different DNA testing companies.  When you do a DNA test, you
 have to have the company that you bought it from assist you.

 Some DNA testing companies:
 Ancestry.com (they have like 3 people of Azores descent that I'm aware of).
 Family Tree DNA (the one that Rick and I are admins on.  And the current
 sale is with).  About 350+ people of Azorean descent.
 GeneTree
 Oxford Ancestors
 23 and Me (also does medical testing)
 National Genographic (they can partner with Family Tree DNA and accepts
 their transfers)

 Companies can also buy each other out.  So some DNA testing companies
 don't exist anymore:
 DNA Heritage (bought out by Family Tree DNA)
 Relative Genetics (bought out by Ancestry)
 and more.

 And those are the ones that test DNA for genealogy purposes.  There are
 also DNA testing companies for paternity in a court of law, crime labs,
 medical DNA testing and probably more.

 So, just to clarify, the Azores DNA Project is housed at Family Tree DNA
 (FTDNA).  They are having a sale on Family Finder that I have been speaking
 about.  No, Ancestry.com is not having a sale (that I'm aware of).  No, a
 log in from Oxford Ancestors cannot be typed into Family Tree DNA and have
 it work. A DNA test from FTDNA would need to be purchased.

 Hope this clarifies.  I've had a couple of emails about this (different
 testing companies).  The Azores DNA project is on Family Tree DNA (FTDNA).
 www.ftdna.com

 Cheri Mello
 Azores DNA Project housed at
 Family Tree DNA

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