Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translated 4th volume of Saudades
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translated 4th volume of Saudades
I just checked my copy which I bought directly from Edna. There is nothing
indicating that it was copyrighted. Although ethical issues about distributing
unauthorized versions are valid, there is another point of view: mass producing
Edna's massive project will perpetuate her memory, at least until a better
translation becomes available, especially among all those non-Portuguese
reading researchers of Micaelense genealogy.
John
--- On Thu, 3/24/11, Linda Norton patli...@verizon.net wrote:
From: Linda Norton patli...@verizon.net
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translated 4th volume of Saudades
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Date: Thursday, March 24, 2011, 12:36 AM
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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Richard Francis Pimentel
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 7:56 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translated 4th volume of Saudades
Book 4 of Saudades Da Terra was translated by Edna Phillips kern and published
in 2001. I purchased a copy from her and had this email and address for her in
the cover of the book nerka...@aol.com, 12760 Perris Blvd A-8, Moreno Valley,
CA 92553-2339. I think I paid around $35.
I am not sure if any CD copies are authorized as the book was published in
paper cover. I would be careful of distributing any burned copies of a CD. I
think translating this would be considered a intellectual work and thus
protected under copyright laws. Even if not how would you feel if someone took
the genealogy work you did and distributed it freely?
Rick
Richard Francis Pimentel
Spring, TX
Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire
From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
emac...@aol.com
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 8:50 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translated 4th volume of Saudades
Yes, one that I know of, but the only way to get a copy is a used copy. I
can't remember her name, but she translated Livro Quarto of Das Saudades da
Terra by Gaspar Frutuoso. It's about the leading families in the early days of
the Azores. Mostly Sao Miguel and Santa Maria...little on the other islands.
Frutuoso, I believed died in the late 1500's. I know several people on the
list have the book. I gave my copy to the Family History Library in Oakland.
Eloise
In a message dated 3/21/2011 6:27:32 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
mikee...@hotmail.com writes:
Do
any of you know if any of the sao miguel books have been translated
into english text?
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translated 4th volume of Saudades
John, I most certainly do not want to turn this into an ethical discussion that veers away from the intent of the list-serv; however, I feel beholden to let you know that an item does not need to state that it is copyrighted in order for it to be and the argument that you made about the perpetuation of Edna's memory via her work is not a valid legal statement. I would strongly recommend that if anybody is indeed going to pursue obtaining a complete copy of this work, and one that Cheri has pointed out is very badly translated, you do so off of a PUBLIC venue. Sonia Sónia Pacheco Librarian Archivist Ferreira-Mendes Portuguese American Archives Claire T. Carney Library University of Massachusetts Dartmouth 285 Old Westport Road N. Dartmouth, MA 02747 Tel. 508-999-8695 Fax 508-999-8424 Email spach...@umassd.edu Web site: http://www.lib.umassd.edu/archives/Archives.html - Original Message - From: John Raposo marra...@yahoo.com To: azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 7:12:18 AM Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translated 4th volume of Saudades I just checked my copy which I bought directly from Edna. There is nothing indicating that it was copyrighted. Although ethical issues about distributing unauthorized versions are valid, there is another point of view: mass producing Edna's massive project will perpetuate her memory, at least until a better translation becomes available, especially among all those non-Portuguese reading researchers of Micaelense genealogy. John --- On Thu, 3/24/11, Linda Norton patli...@verizon.net wrote: From: Linda Norton patli...@verizon.net Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translated 4th volume of Saudades To: azores@googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, March 24, 2011, 12:36 AM From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Francis Pimentel Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 7:56 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translated 4th volume of Saudades Book 4 of Saudades Da Terra was translated by Edna Phillips kern and published in 2001. I purchased a copy from her and had this email and address for her in the cover of the book nerka...@aol.com , 12760 Perris Blvd A-8, Moreno Valley, CA 92553-2339. I think I paid around $35. I am not sure if any CD copies are authorized as the book was published in paper cover. I would be careful of distributing any burned copies of a CD. I think translating this would be considered a intellectual work and thus protected under copyright laws. Even if not how would you feel if someone took the genealogy work you did and distributed it freely? Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Spring, TX Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of emac...@aol.com Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 8:50 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translated 4th volume of Saudades Yes, one that I know of, but the only way to get a copy is a used copy. I can't remember her name, but she translated Livro Quarto of Das Saudades da Terra by Gaspar Frutuoso. It's about the leading families in the early days of the Azores. Mostly Sao Miguel and Santa Maria...little on the other islands. Frutuoso, I believed died in the late 1500's. I know several people on the list have the book. I gave my copy to the Family History Library in Oakland. Eloise In a message dated 3/21/2011 6:27:32 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mikee...@hotmail.com writes: blockquote Do any of you know if any of the sao miguel books have been translated into english text? -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores . Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores . Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores . Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translated 4th volume of Saudades
Thanks Larry, Will check it out. Online is so nice with the search function I looked for names. Pat (Vieira Anselmo) Nostrome -Original Message- From: Larry Parreira lparreir...@gmail.com To: azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Wed, Mar 23, 2011 3:16 pm Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translated 4th volume of Saudades I was able to down load from Barns and Nobel a digital copy for free, love that word. It's not translated but it'll be good practice. On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 7:54 PM, Pat Nostrome cnsp...@aol.com wrote: Cheri, If we go to Google books they have the original book in Portuguese on ebooks available and it can be read on the computer. Saudades da terra. [Historia geneologica de Sam Miguel By Gaspar Frutuoso, Francisco Maria Supico, José Pedro Cardoso Maybe we aren't Portuguese readers but we can look thru the 278 pages. That's what I am going to try and do. If I find a relative I will try to translate. Maybe that helps alittle. Pat (Vieira Anselmo) Nostrome -Original Message- From: Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com To: azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:55 am Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translated 4th volume of Saudades Edna, who did this book, was not a native speaker. She had to work from the old Portuguese (and probably with some type of translation program) to make it resemble English. Sort of. Here's an excerpt: The doctrine is such that it may not permit him to stay in good privileges in the land, because, of the following. Hanging right away the wrong doers and thieves, who were believed, had theft in their hands. They had now not worked on many who were, in fact, avoiding them, without punishment Huh? The family part isn't too bad. The said Nuno Goncalves, son of Goncalo Vaz, The Great, has one daughter called Isabel Nunes Botelha, that married Sebastiao Barbosa da Silve, much discrete and generous and grand lecturer, nobleman, who lived on a farm of Faja, at the city limits of Ponta. There are very few dates. That's the way that Doutor Gaspar Frutuoso (c. 1522 - 1591) wrote it. The Saudades da Terra wasn't published until 1873. More on Dr. Gaspar Frutuoso can be found on Wikipedia (it does state that the article has some problems): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaspar_Frutuoso Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translated 4th volume of Saudades
Wow, do I agree with you. As I wrote to Cheri , I was glad that Edna is getting some credit for all the years of her work on Volume 4. I met Edna once and she told me she really did not know Portuguese...did not speak it. So good for her! Eloise just checked my copy which I bought directly from Edna. There is nothing indicating that it was copyrighted. Although ethical issues about distributing unauthorized versions are valid, there is another point of view: mass producing Edna's massive project will perpetuate her memory, at least until a better translation becomes available, especially among all those non-Portuguese reading researchers of Micaelense genealogy. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translated 4th volume of Saudades
ALL RIGHT, John :-) Elizabeth
--- On Thu, 3/24/11, John Raposo marra...@yahoo.com wrote:
From: John Raposo marra...@yahoo.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translated 4th volume of Saudades
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Date: Thursday, March 24, 2011, 7:12 AM
I just checked my copy which I bought directly from Edna. There is nothing
indicating that it was copyrighted. Although ethical issues about distributing
unauthorized versions are valid, there is another point of view: mass producing
Edna's massive project will perpetuate her memory, at least until a better
translation becomes available, especially among all those non-Portuguese
reading researchers of Micaelense genealogy.
John
--- On Thu, 3/24/11, Linda Norton patli...@verizon.net wrote:
From: Linda Norton patli...@verizon.net
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translated 4th volume of Saudades
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Date: Thursday, March 24, 2011, 12:36 AM
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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Richard Francis Pimentel
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 7:56 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translated 4th volume of Saudades
Book 4 of Saudades Da Terra was translated by Edna Phillips kern and published
in 2001. I purchased a copy from her and had this email and address for her in
the cover of the book nerka...@aol.com, 12760 Perris Blvd A-8, Moreno Valley,
CA 92553-2339. I think I paid around $35.
I am not sure if any CD copies are authorized as the book was published in
paper cover. I would be careful of distributing any burned copies of a CD. I
think translating this would be considered a intellectual work and thus
protected under copyright laws. Even if not how would you feel if someone took
the genealogy work you did and distributed it freely?
Rick
Richard Francis Pimentel
Spring, TX
Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire
From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
emac...@aol.com
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 8:50 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translated 4th volume of Saudades
Yes, one that I know of, but the only way to get a copy is a used copy. I
can't remember her name, but she translated Livro Quarto of Das Saudades da
Terra by Gaspar Frutuoso. It's about the leading families in the early days of
the Azores. Mostly Sao Miguel and Santa Maria...little on the other islands.
Frutuoso, I believed died in the late 1500's. I know several people on the
list have the book. I gave my copy to the Family History Library in Oakland.
Eloise
In a message dated 3/21/2011 6:27:32 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
mikee...@hotmail.com writes:
Do
any of you know if any of the sao miguel books have been translated
into english text?
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translated 4th volume of Saudades
Dear Sonia:
I would certainly agree that if there is any danger of legal prosecution, then
discretion is the better part of valor, I am grateful to you and Cheri for
educating me as to the law,. I suppose that in the future, when somebody on the
list is desperate for information and I know that there is a treasure trove in
Rodrigo Rodrigues, I will simply cite the chapter and section and tell that
person to look it up in that work. There were only 500 copies printed. How many
do you think are available in the US and available for an intra-library loan? I
bought one of those 6 volume sets. I will take great care to abide by the law
and not share any information protected by copyright on a public list,
My lawyer tells me that whenever a letter is sent to somebody, there is no
expectaion of privacy, and no protection against disemination. There is no
copyrifgt protection. I wonder if that applies to an e-mail sent to me as a
member of a list?
As for Edna and her fine work, I think she would be delighted to know that she
has left an enduring legacy that will perpetuate her memory. Edna and I
exchanged several e-mails. Her translation of Saudades da Terra went through 3
printings. As for the quality, it is a terrible translation, except for the
fact that since there is no other, it is the best English translation
available. And, it is good enough to do the trick. It has helped many, many
Azorean-Americans connect back to the earliest Azorean colonists and, in some
cases, back to the the nobility and royalty of Portugal. How many copies of
Edna's translation do you think are available in American libraries and
available for intra-libraryt loan? Those who have no access to Edna's book will
need to make do with the original 16th century Portuguese of Gaspar Frutuoso.
I am fluent in Portuguese and can easily read even the handwritten entries in
the Ribeira Grande parish registers kept by Gaspar Frutuoso, so I have no need
of English translations, but I can sympathize with those who cannot read even
typed Portuguese,
Thank you for clarifying the copyright restrictions. However, relative to those
restrictions, unpleasant though those restrictions are, the law is the
law (dura lex sed lex) and I do not want to shoot the messanger. I cannot help
but quote Charles Dickens, though: If the law says that then the law is an
ass.
I am in your debt and in Cheri's for claifying the law for me. Thank you!
John
--- On Thu, 3/24/11, Sonia Pacheco spacheco@umassd.eJohndu wrote:
From: Sonia Pacheco spach...@umassd.edu
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translated 4th volume of Saudades
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Date: Thursday, March 24, 2011, 2:31 PM
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John,
I most certainly do not want to turn this into an ethical discussion that veers
away from the intent of the list-serv; however, I feel beholden to let you know
that an item does not need to state that it is copyrighted in order for it to
be and the argument that you made about the perpetuation of Edna's memory via
her work is not a valid legal statement.
I would strongly recommend that if anybody is indeed going to pursue obtaining
a complete copy of this work, and one that Cheri has pointed out is very badly
translated, you do so off of a PUBLIC venue.
Sonia
Sónia Pacheco
Librarian Archivist
Ferreira-Mendes Portuguese American Archives
Claire T. Carney Library
University of Massachusetts Dartmouth
285 Old Westport Road
N. Dartmouth, MA 02747
Tel. 508-999-8695
Fax 508-999-8424
Email spach...@umassd.edu
Web site: http://www.lib.umassd.edu/archives/Archives.html
From: John Raposo marra...@yahoo.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 7:12:18 AM
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translated 4th volume of Saudades
I just checked my copy which I bought directly from Edna. There is nothing
indicating that it was copyrighted. Although ethical issues about distributing
unauthorized versions are valid, there is another point of view: mass producing
Edna's massive project will perpetuate her memory, at least until a better
translation becomes available, especially among all those non-Portuguese
reading researchers of Micaelense genealogy.
John
--- On Thu, 3/24/11, Linda Norton patli...@verizon.net wrote:
From: Linda Norton patli...@verizon.net
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translated 4th volume of Saudades
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Date: Thursday, March 24, 2011, 12:36 AM
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translated 4th volume of Saudades
I would love a copy. Linda Borges Furtado Norton -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawika322 Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 10:45 PM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translated 4th volume of Saudades I have a digital copy of the translated livro quarto of saudades da terra that I scanned that i can send to whoever wants a copy. I also burned a copy to a cd that I put in the Oakland FHC library which should be available to those who want to view it. David On Mar 21, 6:49 pm, emac...@aol.com wrote: Yes, one that I know of, but the only way to get a copy is a used copy. I can't remember her name, but she translated Livro Quarto of Das Saudades da Terra by Gaspar Frutuoso. It's about the leading families in the early days of the Azores. Mostly Sao Miguel and Santa Maria...little on the other islands. Frutuoso, I believed died in the late 1500's. I know several people on the list have the book. I gave my copy to the Family History Library in Oakland. Eloise In a message dated 3/21/2011 6:27:32 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mikee...@hotmail.com writes: Do any of you know if any of the sao miguel books have been translated into english text? -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translated 4th volume of Saudades
_ From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Francis Pimentel Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 7:56 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translated 4th volume of Saudades Book 4 of Saudades Da Terra was translated by Edna Phillips kern and published in 2001. I purchased a copy from her and had this email and address for her in the cover of the book nerka...@aol.com, 12760 Perris Blvd A-8, Moreno Valley, CA 92553-2339. I think I paid around $35. I am not sure if any CD copies are authorized as the book was published in paper cover. I would be careful of distributing any burned copies of a CD. I think translating this would be considered a intellectual work and thus protected under copyright laws. Even if not how would you feel if someone took the genealogy work you did and distributed it freely? Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Spring, TX Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of emac...@aol.com Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 8:50 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translated 4th volume of Saudades Yes, one that I know of, but the only way to get a copy is a used copy. I can't remember her name, but she translated Livro Quarto of Das Saudades da Terra by Gaspar Frutuoso. It's about the leading families in the early days of the Azores. Mostly Sao Miguel and Santa Maria...little on the other islands. Frutuoso, I believed died in the late 1500's. I know several people on the list have the book. I gave my copy to the Family History Library in Oakland. Eloise In a message dated 3/21/2011 6:27:32 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mikee...@hotmail.com writes: Do any of you know if any of the sao miguel books have been translated into english text? -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translated 4th volume of Saudades
_ From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Francis Pimentel Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 7:56 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translated 4th volume of Saudades Book 4 of Saudades Da Terra was translated by Edna Phillips kern and published in 2001. I purchased a copy from her and had this email and address for her in the cover of the book nerka...@aol.com, 12760 Perris Blvd A-8, Moreno Valley, CA 92553-2339. I think I paid around $35. I am not sure if any CD copies are authorized as the book was published in paper cover. I would be careful of distributing any burned copies of a CD. I think translating this would be considered a intellectual work and thus protected under copyright laws. Even if not how would you feel if someone took the genealogy work you did and distributed it freely? Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Spring, TX Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of emac...@aol.com Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 8:50 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translated 4th volume of Saudades Yes, one that I know of, but the only way to get a copy is a used copy. I can't remember her name, but she translated Livro Quarto of Das Saudades da Terra by Gaspar Frutuoso. It's about the leading families in the early days of the Azores. Mostly Sao Miguel and Santa Maria...little on the other islands. Frutuoso, I believed died in the late 1500's. I know several people on the list have the book. I gave my copy to the Family History Library in Oakland. Eloise In a message dated 3/21/2011 6:27:32 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mikee...@hotmail.com writes: Do any of you know if any of the sao miguel books have been translated into english text? -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translated 4th volume of Saudades
Sorry, the email were sent quickly without a message. I didn't realize that. I will contact Edna then. Thanks, Linda Borges Furtado Norton _ From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Francis Pimentel Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 7:56 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translated 4th volume of Saudades Book 4 of Saudades Da Terra was translated by Edna Phillips kern and published in 2001. I purchased a copy from her and had this email and address for her in the cover of the book nerka...@aol.com, 12760 Perris Blvd A-8, Moreno Valley, CA 92553-2339. I think I paid around $35. I am not sure if any CD copies are authorized as the book was published in paper cover. I would be careful of distributing any burned copies of a CD. I think translating this would be considered a intellectual work and thus protected under copyright laws. Even if not how would you feel if someone took the genealogy work you did and distributed it freely? Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Spring, TX Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of emac...@aol.com Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 8:50 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translated 4th volume of Saudades Yes, one that I know of, but the only way to get a copy is a used copy. I can't remember her name, but she translated Livro Quarto of Das Saudades da Terra by Gaspar Frutuoso. It's about the leading families in the early days of the Azores. Mostly Sao Miguel and Santa Maria...little on the other islands. Frutuoso, I believed died in the late 1500's. I know several people on the list have the book. I gave my copy to the Family History Library in Oakland. Eloise In a message dated 3/21/2011 6:27:32 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mikee...@hotmail.com writes: Do any of you know if any of the sao miguel books have been translated into english text? -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translated 4th volume of Saudades
No Edna, then is there another way of getting the volume of Saudades? Linda Borges Furtado Norton _ From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Linda Norton Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 8:38 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translated 4th volume of Saudades Sorry, the email were sent quickly without a message. I didn't realize that. I will contact Edna then. Thanks, Linda Borges Furtado Norton _ From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Francis Pimentel Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 7:56 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translated 4th volume of Saudades Book 4 of Saudades Da Terra was translated by Edna Phillips kern and published in 2001. I purchased a copy from her and had this email and address for her in the cover of the book nerka...@aol.com, 12760 Perris Blvd A-8, Moreno Valley, CA 92553-2339. I think I paid around $35. I am not sure if any CD copies are authorized as the book was published in paper cover. I would be careful of distributing any burned copies of a CD. I think translating this would be considered a intellectual work and thus protected under copyright laws. Even if not how would you feel if someone took the genealogy work you did and distributed it freely? Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Spring, TX Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of emac...@aol.com Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 8:50 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translated 4th volume of Saudades Yes, one that I know of, but the only way to get a copy is a used copy. I can't remember her name, but she translated Livro Quarto of Das Saudades da Terra by Gaspar Frutuoso. It's about the leading families in the early days of the Azores. Mostly Sao Miguel and Santa Maria...little on the other islands. Frutuoso, I believed died in the late 1500's. I know several people on the list have the book. I gave my copy to the Family History Library in Oakland. Eloise In a message dated 3/21/2011 6:27:32 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mikee...@hotmail.com writes: Do any of you know if any of the sao miguel books have been translated into english text? -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translated 4th volume of Saudades
I too would like a copy, DavidTIA Elizabeth I have a digital copy of the translated livro quarto of saudades da terra that I scanned that i can send to whoever wants a copy. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translated 4th volume of Saudades
Repost for hailihaole at yahoo.com Kawika, I too would be interested in a copy. Been reading so much about this on this site. My Carvalho family is from Sao Miguel. e-mail hailiha...@yahoo.com Mahalo nui loa!! Pat Carvalho Thornberg -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translated 4th volume of Saudades
The translation was by Edna Phillips Kern (1922-2009). She was selling the book in 2001. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translated 4th volume of Saudades
David I'd love to purchase a copy from you. How much, include postage. Thanks, Ally In a message dated 3/21/2011 9:09:16 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, oldschoo...@gmail.com writes: I have a digital copy of the translated livro quarto of saudades da terra that I scanned that i can send to whoever wants a copy. I also burned a copy to a cd that I put in the Oakland FHC library which should be available to those who want to view it. David On Mar 21, 6:49 pm, emac...@aol.com wrote: Yes, one that I know of, but the only way to get a copy is a used copy. I can't remember her name, but she translated Livro Quarto of Das Saudades da Terra by Gaspar Frutuoso. It's about the leading families in the early days of the Azores. Mostly Sao Miguel and Santa Maria...little on the other islands. Frutuoso, I believed died in the late 1500's. I know several people on the list have the book. I gave my copy to the Family History Library in Oakland. Eloise In a message dated 3/21/2011 6:27:32 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mikee...@hotmail.com writes: Do any of you know if any of the sao miguel books have been translated into english text? -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translated 4th volume of Saudades
Hi david, I would love to have a digital copy of livro quatro of saudades da terra. Please let me know what is needed to acquire a copy from you. Thank-you so very much!! best, grace falcone _gracefalcone@aol.com_ (mailto:gracefalc...@aol.com) Family names: Pacheco Santana, Moniz, Cabral, Carvalho, da Costa Canario, Vieira de Silva, Tavares, Arruda Villages on San Miguel, Azores: Furnas, Maia, Porto Formosa, and Sao Pedro-Nordestinho, In a message dated 3/21/2011 11:09:17 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, oldschoo...@gmail.com writes: I have a digital copy of the translated livro quarto of saudades da terra that I scanned that i can send to whoever wants a copy. I also burned a copy to a cd that I put in the Oakland FHC library which should be available to those who want to view it. David On Mar 21, 6:49 pm, emac...@aol.com wrote: Yes, one that I know of, but the only way to get a copy is a used copy. I can't remember her name, but she translated Livro Quarto of Das Saudades da Terra by Gaspar Frutuoso. It's about the leading families in the early days of the Azores. Mostly Sao Miguel and Santa Maria...little on the other islands. Frutuoso, I believed died in the late 1500's. I know several people on the list have the book. I gave my copy to the Family History Library in Oakland. Eloise In a message dated 3/21/2011 6:27:32 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mikee...@hotmail.com writes: Do any of you know if any of the sao miguel books have been translated into english text? -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translated 4th volume of Saudades
Can I have a copy emailed to me as well? (emperorb...@gmail.com) On Mar 21, 2011, at 9:25 PM, Sam Koester wrote: Me too, please! Sam in Maz -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Altino DeMelo Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 8:12 PM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translated 4th volume of Saudades David, i would love a copy if you are able to send it. (demelo.alt...@yahoo.com) On Mar 21, 10:44 pm, Kawika322 oldschoo...@gmail.com wrote: I have a digital copy of the translated livro quarto of saudades da terra that I scanned that i can send to whoever wants a copy. I also burned a copy to a cd that I put in the Oakland FHC library which should be available to those who want to view it. David On Mar 21, 6:49 pm, emac...@aol.com wrote: Yes, one that I know of, but the only way to get a copy is a used copy. I can't remember her name, but she translated Livro Quarto of Das Saudades da Terra by Gaspar Frutuoso. It's about the leading families in the early days of the Azores. Mostly Sao Miguel and Santa Maria...little on the other islands. Frutuoso, I believed died in the late 1500's. I know several people on the list have the book. I gave my copy to the Family History Library in Oakland. Eloise In a message dated 3/21/2011 6:27:32 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mikee...@hotmail.com writes: Do any of you know if any of the sao miguel books have been translated into english text? -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translated 4th volume of Saudades
David I would very much like a copy. Let me know if their is a cost involved. edward.s.rodrig...@att.net On Mar 21, 2011, at 9:44 PM, Kawika322 wrote: I have a digital copy of the translated livro quarto of saudades da terra that I scanned that i can send to whoever wants a copy. I also burned a copy to a cd that I put in the Oakland FHC library which should be available to those who want to view it. David On Mar 21, 6:49 pm, emac...@aol.com wrote: Yes, one that I know of, but the only way to get a copy is a used copy. I can't remember her name, but she translated Livro Quarto of Das Saudades da Terra by Gaspar Frutuoso. It's about the leading families in the early days of the Azores. Mostly Sao Miguel and Santa Maria...little on the other islands. Frutuoso, I believed died in the late 1500's. I know several people on the list have the book. I gave my copy to the Family History Library in Oakland. Eloise In a message dated 3/21/2011 6:27:32 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mikee...@hotmail.com writes: Do any of you know if any of the sao miguel books have been translated into english text? -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translated 4th volume of Saudades
I would very much like a copy. Larry On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 9:44 PM, Kawika322 oldschoo...@gmail.com wrote: I have a digital copy of the translated livro quarto of saudades da terra that I scanned that i can send to whoever wants a copy. I also burned a copy to a cd that I put in the Oakland FHC library which should be available to those who want to view it. David On Mar 21, 6:49 pm, emac...@aol.com wrote: Yes, one that I know of, but the only way to get a copy is a used copy. I can't remember her name, but she translated Livro Quarto of Das Saudades da Terra by Gaspar Frutuoso. It's about the leading families in the early days of the Azores. Mostly Sao Miguel and Santa Maria...little on the other islands. Frutuoso, I believed died in the late 1500's. I know several people on the list have the book. I gave my copy to the Family History Library in Oakland. Eloise In a message dated 3/21/2011 6:27:32 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mikee...@hotmail.com writes: Do any of you know if any of the sao miguel books have been translated into english text? -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translated 4th volume of Saudades
Hi David, I would like a copy. Obrigada de helen From: Kawika322 oldschoo...@gmail.com To: Azores Genealogy azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, March 21, 2011 7:44:41 PM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translated 4th volume of Saudades I have a digital copy of the translated livro quarto of saudades da terra that I scanned that i can send to whoever wants a copy. I also burned a copy to a cd that I put in the Oakland FHC library which should be available to those who want to view it. David On Mar 21, 6:49 pm, emac...@aol.com wrote: Yes, one that I know of, but the only way to get a copy is a used copy. I can't remember her name, but she translated Livro Quarto of Das Saudades da Terra by Gaspar Frutuoso. It's about the leading families in the early days of the Azores. Mostly Sao Miguel and Santa Maria...little on the other islands. Frutuoso, I believed died in the late 1500's. I know several people on the list have the book. I gave my copy to the Family History Library in Oakland. Eloise In a message dated 3/21/2011 6:27:32 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mikee...@hotmail.com writes: Do any of you know if any of the sao miguel books have been translated into english text? -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
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For those wanting a copy. David's direct email is: oldschool22 at gmail.com Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
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David: I neglected to ask the cost of the postage and where to send it. Elizabeth I have a digital copy of the translated livro quarto of saudades da terra that I scanned that i can send to whoever wants a copy. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translated 4th volume of Saudades
Book 4 of Saudades Da Terra was translated by Edna Phillips kern and published in 2001. I purchased a copy from her and had this email and address for her in the cover of the book nerka...@aol.com, 12760 Perris Blvd A-8, Moreno Valley, CA 92553-2339. I think I paid around $35. I am not sure if any CD copies are authorized as the book was published in paper cover. I would be careful of distributing any burned copies of a CD. I think translating this would be considered a intellectual work and thus protected under copyright laws. Even if not how would you feel if someone took the genealogy work you did and distributed it freely? Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Spring, TX Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of emac...@aol.com Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 8:50 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translated 4th volume of Saudades Yes, one that I know of, but the only way to get a copy is a used copy. I can't remember her name, but she translated Livro Quarto of Das Saudades da Terra by Gaspar Frutuoso. It's about the leading families in the early days of the Azores. Mostly Sao Miguel and Santa Maria...little on the other islands. Frutuoso, I believed died in the late 1500's. I know several people on the list have the book. I gave my copy to the Family History Library in Oakland. Eloise In a message dated 3/21/2011 6:27:32 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mikee...@hotmail.com writes: Do any of you know if any of the sao miguel books have been translated into english text? -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translated 4th volume of Saudades
Reference my previous post below. I missed the message posted by Cherri that Edna Phillips Kern is no longer with us as she died in 2009. Not sure if this work is part of her estate or what the status of this is. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Spring, TX Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Francis Pimentel Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 6:56 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translated 4th volume of Saudades Book 4 of Saudades Da Terra was translated by Edna Phillips kern and published in 2001. I purchased a copy from her and had this email and address for her in the cover of the book nerka...@aol.com, 12760 Perris Blvd A-8, Moreno Valley, CA 92553-2339. I think I paid around $35. I am not sure if any CD copies are authorized as the book was published in paper cover. I would be careful of distributing any burned copies of a CD. I think translating this would be considered a intellectual work and thus protected under copyright laws. Even if not how would you feel if someone took the genealogy work you did and distributed it freely? Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Spring, TX Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of emac...@aol.com Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 8:50 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translated 4th volume of Saudades Yes, one that I know of, but the only way to get a copy is a used copy. I can't remember her name, but she translated Livro Quarto of Das Saudades da Terra by Gaspar Frutuoso. It's about the leading families in the early days of the Azores. Mostly Sao Miguel and Santa Maria...little on the other islands. Frutuoso, I believed died in the late 1500's. I know several people on the list have the book. I gave my copy to the Family History Library in Oakland. Eloise In a message dated 3/21/2011 6:27:32 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mikee...@hotmail.com writes: Do any of you know if any of the sao miguel books have been translated into english text? -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translated 4th volume of Saudades
That would be great David. Could you please add me to your list. Margie In a message dated 3/21/2011 8:09:45 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, oldschoo...@gmail.com writes: I have a digital copy of the translated livro quarto of saudades da terra that I scanned that i can send to whoever wants a copy. I also burned a copy to a cd that I put in the Oakland FHC library which should be available to those who want to view it. David On Mar 21, 6:49 pm, emac...@aol.com wrote: Yes, one that I know of, but the only way to get a copy is a used copy. I can't remember her name, but she translated Livro Quarto of Das Saudades da Terra by Gaspar Frutuoso. It's about the leading families in the early days of the Azores. Mostly Sao Miguel and Santa Maria...little on the other islands. Frutuoso, I believed died in the late 1500's. I know several people on the list have the book. I gave my copy to the Family History Library in Oakland. Eloise In a message dated 3/21/2011 6:27:32 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mikee...@hotmail.com writes: Do any of you know if any of the sao miguel books have been translated into english text? -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translated 4th volume of Saudades
It's already been mentioned, but I would like to reiterate that it is illegal for a private individual to make copies of this book and distribute them--whether they are doing so at no cost or for a profit they are breaking copyright law. Sónia Pacheco Librarian Archivist Ferreira-Mendes Portuguese American Archives Claire T. Carney Library University of Massachusetts Dartmouth 285 Old Westport Road N. Dartmouth, MA 02747 Tel. 508-999-8695 Fax 508-999-8424 Email spach...@umassd.edu Web site: http://www.lib.umassd.edu/archives/Archives.html - Original Message - From: Kawika322 gmail.com To: Azores Genealogy azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 10:44:41 PM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translated 4th volume of Saudades I have a digital copy of the translated livro quarto of saudades da terra that I scanned that i can send to whoever wants a copy. I also burned a copy to a cd that I put in the Oakland FHC library which should be available to those who want to view it. David On Mar 21, 6:49 pm, emac...@aol.com wrote: Yes, one that I know of, but the only way to get a copy is a used copy. I can't remember her name, but she translated Livro Quarto of Das Saudades da Terra by Gaspar Frutuoso. It's about the leading families in the early days of the Azores. Mostly Sao Miguel and Santa Maria...little on the other islands. Frutuoso, I believed died in the late 1500's. I know several people on the list have the book. I gave my copy to the Family History Library in Oakland. Eloise In a message dated 3/21/2011 6:27:32 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mikee...@hotmail.com writes: Do any of you know if any of the sao miguel books have been translated into english text? -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translated 4th volume of Saudades
David, I would like a copy. What program do I need to open your copy? Celeste, Hayward, CA Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com --- On Tue, 3/22/11, yukonang...@aol.com yukonang...@aol.com wrote: From: yukonang...@aol.com yukonang...@aol.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translated 4th volume of Saudades To: azores@googlegroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 22, 2011, 6:48 AM That would be great David. Could you please add me to your list. Margie In a message dated 3/21/2011 8:09:45 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, oldschoo...@gmail.com writes: I have a digital copy of the translated livro quarto of saudades da terra that I scanned that i can send to whoever wants a copy. I also burned a copy to a cd that I put in the Oakland FHC library which should be available to those who want to view it. David On Mar 21, 6:49 pm, emac...@aol.com wrote: Yes, one that I know of, but the only way to get a copy is a used copy. I can't remember her name, but she translated Livro Quarto of Das Saudades da Terra by Gaspar Frutuoso. It's about the leading families in the early days of the Azores. Mostly Sao Miguel and Santa Maria...little on the other islands. Frutuoso, I believed died in the late 1500's. I know several people on the list have the book. I gave my copy to the Family History Library in Oakland. Eloise In a message dated 3/21/2011 6:27:32 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mikee...@hotmail.com writes: Do any of you know if any of the sao miguel books have been translated into english text? -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translated 4th volume of Saudades
Only my two cents worth but Rick and others have already mentioned that this work must be under copywright restrictions and legal reprecusions could result. Hermano Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 10:04:04 -0700 From: ccgran...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translated 4th volume of Saudades To: azores@googlegroups.com David, I would like a copy. What program do I need to open your copy? Celeste, Hayward, CA Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com --- On Tue, 3/22/11, yukonang...@aol.com yukonang...@aol.com wrote: From: yukonang...@aol.com yukonang...@aol.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translated 4th volume of Saudades To: azores@googlegroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 22, 2011, 6:48 AM That would be great David. Could you please add me to your list. Margie In a message dated 3/21/2011 8:09:45 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, oldschoo...@gmail.com writes: I have a digital copy of the translated livro quarto of saudades da terra that I scanned that i can send to whoever wants a copy. I also burned a copy to a cd that I put in the Oakland FHC library which should be available to those who want to view it. David On Mar 21, 6:49 pm, emac...@aol.com wrote: Yes, one that I know of, but the only way to get a copy is a used copy. I can't remember her name, but she translated Livro Quarto of Das Saudades da Terra by Gaspar Frutuoso. It's about the leading families in the early days of the Azores. Mostly Sao Miguel and Santa Maria...little on the other islands. Frutuoso, I believed died in the late 1500's. I know several people on the list have the book. I gave my copy to the Family History Library in Oakland. Eloise In a message dated 3/21/2011 6:27:32 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mikee...@hotmail.com writes: Do any of you know if any of the sao miguel books have been translated into english text? -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translated 4th volume of Saudades
Edna, who did this book, was not a native speaker. She had to work from the old Portuguese (and probably with some type of translation program) to make it resemble English. Sort of. Here's an excerpt: The doctrine is such that it may not permit him to stay in good privileges in the land, because, of the following. Hanging right away the wrong doers and thieves, who were believed, had theft in their hands. They had now not worked on many who were, in fact, avoiding them, without punishment Huh? The family part isn't too bad. The said Nuno Goncalves, son of Goncalo Vaz, The Great, has one daughter called Isabel Nunes Botelha, that married Sebastiao Barbosa da Silve, much discrete and generous and grand lecturer, nobleman, who lived on a farm of Faja, at the city limits of Ponta. There are very few dates. That's the way that Doutor Gaspar Frutuoso (c. 1522 - 1591) wrote it. The Saudades da Terra wasn't published until 1873. More on Dr. Gaspar Frutuoso can be found on Wikipedia (it does state that the article has some problems): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaspar_Frutuoso Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translated 4th volume of Saudades
Cheri, If we go to Google books they have the original book in Portuguese on ebooks available and it can be read on the computer. Saudades da terra. [Historia geneologica de Sam Miguel By Gaspar Frutuoso, Francisco Maria Supico, José Pedro Cardoso Maybe we aren't Portuguese readers but we can look thru the 278 pages. That's what I am going to try and do. If I find a relative I will try to translate. Maybe that helps alittle. Pat (Vieira Anselmo) Nostrome -Original Message- From: Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com To: azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, Mar 22, 2011 10:55 am Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translated 4th volume of Saudades Edna, who did this book, was not a native speaker. She had to work from the old Portuguese (and probably with some type of translation program) to make it resemble English. Sort of. Here's an excerpt: The doctrine is such that it may not permit him to stay in good privileges in the land, because, of the following. Hanging right away the wrong doers and thieves, who were believed, had theft in their hands. They had now not worked on many who were, in fact, avoiding them, without punishment Huh? The family part isn't too bad. The said Nuno Goncalves, son of Goncalo Vaz, The Great, has one daughter called Isabel Nunes Botelha, that married Sebastiao Barbosa da Silve, much discrete and generous and grand lecturer, nobleman, who lived on a farm of Faja, at the city limits of Ponta. There are very few dates. That's the way that Doutor Gaspar Frutuoso (c. 1522 - 1591) wrote it. The Saudades da Terra wasn't published until 1873. More on Dr. Gaspar Frutuoso can be found on Wikipedia (it does state that the article has some problems): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaspar_Frutuoso Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translated 4th volume of Saudades
Me too, please! Sam in Maz -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Altino DeMelo Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 8:12 PM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Translated 4th volume of Saudades David, i would love a copy if you are able to send it. (demelo.alt...@yahoo.com) On Mar 21, 10:44 pm, Kawika322 oldschoo...@gmail.com wrote: I have a digital copy of the translated livro quarto of saudades da terra that I scanned that i can send to whoever wants a copy. I also burned a copy to a cd that I put in the Oakland FHC library which should be available to those who want to view it. David On Mar 21, 6:49 pm, emac...@aol.com wrote: Yes, one that I know of, but the only way to get a copy is a used copy. I can't remember her name, but she translated Livro Quarto of Das Saudades da Terra by Gaspar Frutuoso. It's about the leading families in the early days of the Azores. Mostly Sao Miguel and Santa Maria...little on the other islands. Frutuoso, I believed died in the late 1500's. I know several people on the list have the book. I gave my copy to the Family History Library in Oakland. Eloise In a message dated 3/21/2011 6:27:32 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mikee...@hotmail.com writes: Do any of you know if any of the sao miguel books have been translated into english text? -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
