[BAROQUE-LUTE] Austrian Lute Music
Dear Lute Friends, My lute contribution at the end of this year is a mini series of two pieces from Austria, (A) an "Aria Composee del' Empereur Joseph" by Joseph I, Holy Roman Emperor, and (B) the "Tombeau pur l' Empereur Joseph" by Laufensteiner or Weichenberger. Part A. "Aria Composee del' Empereur Joseph". Apparently, this Aria in F Major has been composed by Joseph I of Habsburg, Holy Roman Emperor (26.07.1678 - 17.04.1711). Joseph I (reign 1690 - 1711) has been educated in music and he played various musical instruments. He loved the opera very much and employed up to 300 musicians at the Royal Court Orchestra in Vienna. I spotted this piece in the baroque lute manuscript of Casimirus Wenceslaus Comes a Verdenberg (MS A.13.268). This manuscript belonged to the Benedictine monastery of Rajhrad (Stift Raigern) the oldest monastery in Moravia which was part of the Habsburg territory between the 16th and 18th century. You will find the Aria at http://youtu.be/nmF8chaiRUo Part B. "Tombeau pur l' Empereur Joseph". Joseph I of Habsburg, Holy Roman Emperor between 1690 and 1711, died on 17th April 1711. He was a great lover of baroque music. Among his musicians at the Royal Court Orchestra were several excellent lute players, such as the Austrian Johann Georg Weichenberger (1676 Graz- 1740 Vienna). However, this lute piece resembles me very much of the works of the other Austrian lute player of that time, Wolff Jacob Lauffensteiner (1676 Steyr - 1754 Munich). About 1709 he had obtained a position of a lutenist in Graz, the home city of Weichenberger. He may have hoped to be offered a position in at the Royal Court in Vienna too, however in 1712 - one year after the death of Joseph I - he was in the service of the Bavarian Court in Munich. This piece is from the baroque lute manuscript MS 120 of the Austrian State Archive which took over the "Family Harrach Collection". This lute piece is also included in the lute manuscript MS A.371 that, similar to the manuscript MS A.13.268 (please see Part A), once belonged to the Benedictine monastery of Rajhrad (Stift Raigern). The Tombeau is at http://youtu.be/528r2c0GFjQ I look forward to your kind comments, Best wishes for 2014 from Vienna, Bernhard. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Lute recordings 2013
Dear Lute Friends, Similar to previous years, I have compiled an audio-CD "Edition 2013" of those baroque lute pieces I amateur played and recorded this year. Similar to the 2011 and 2012 editions, the CD contains also pieces not recorded before. For me, recording is one way to monitor my performance including stagnation and/or improvement over the years. Accordingly I welcome all comments and suggestions... The CD contains following pieces: Denis Gaultier 01 Prelude - Sous Dorien / La Rhetorique des Dieux 02 Andromede - Sous Dorien / La Rhetorique des Dieux 03 Diane - Sous Dorien / La Rhetorique des Dieux 04 Diane - Sous Dorien / La Rhetorique des Dieux 05 Allemande - Sous Dorien / La Rhetorique des Dieux 06 Atalante - Sous Dorien / La Rhetorique des Dieux 07 Sarabande - Sous Dorien / La Rhetorique des Dieux Rochus Berhandtzky 08 Prelude d minor / A-Wgm7763-92 09 Sarabande d minor / A-Wgm7763-92 10 Sarabande d minor / A-Wgm7763-92 11 Tombeau du feu son E. Monsgr le General Sereni Allemande f minor / A-KR83a 12 Rondeau f minor / A-KR83a 13 Sarabande f minor / A-KR83a Jaques Bittner 14 Prelude g minor / Pieces de Lut, 1682 15 Sarabande g minor / Pieces de Lut, 1682 16 Courante g minor / Pieces de Lut, 1682 17 Passacaille g minor J Bittner / Pieces de Lut, 1682 Philipp Franz Lesage de Richee 18 Prelude c minor / Cabinet der Lauten 1695 19 Allemande c minor / Cabinet der Lauten 1695 20 Sarabande c minor / Cabinet der Lauten 1695 21 Courante c minor / Cabinet der Lauten 1695 22 Pasagallia c minor / Cabinet der Lauten 1695 Although not perfect (the more I listen into my work I love it) I offer to share the result with you. Who would be interested to receive its own CD, please dropt me a short note including exact postal address to [1]fischer...@aon.at. Charge - if any - is limited to p&p. I wish all lute-lovers Merry Christmas and A Happy New Year 2014! Kind regards, Bernhard Vienna/Austria -- References 1. mailto:fischer...@aon.at To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] AW: [BAROQUE-LUTE] [BAROQUE-LUTE] [BAROQUE-LUTE] AW: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Grüssau Mss collection now online
Dear Ralf, My idea was to prepare copies of manuscripts to avoid any legal issue. Eventually I was too careful. Yours, Bernhard -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag von Ralf Bachmann Gesendet: Freitag, 5. Juli 2013 22:02 An: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Betreff: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] AW: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Grüssau Mss collection now online On second thoughts there is one sentence that HAS to be corrected or the meaning is indeed ofensive: " That includes all that items from the Oesterreichische Nationalbibliothek, that you *ALSO* uploaded in your handwriting *TO SCRIBD* ..." Saludos, Ralf > Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2013 18:20:53 +0200 > To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > From: ralfbachm...@hotmail.com > Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] AW: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Gruessau Mss collection now online > > Hello dear Bernhard, > don't shoot at the messenger ;-) > It's not my collection, although I must admit that I contributed with > some 10 items. > As to the legal details, I have no clue, but the libraries are giving > their contents of digitalized Mss for free to download. That includes > all that items from the Oesterreichische Nationalbibliothek, that you > uploaded in your handwriting ... I still prefer the originals. > No ofence, > RB > > Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2013 17:42:52 +0200 > > To: ralfbachm...@hotmail.com; baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > > From: fischer...@aon.at > > Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] AW: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Gruessau Mss collection > now online > > > > Dear Ralf and lute friends, > > > > Can anyone tell me whether or not it is legal to place manuscript > scans in > > its original form into data bases such as SRIBD? When I request a > scan from > > any library I normally have to sign a declaration that the scan is > for > > private use only (publication of manuscripts in their authentic form > > normally triggers a fee...). > > > > Thank you for your advice, > > Bernhard > > > > -Urspruengliche Nachricht- > > Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im > Auftrag > > von Ralf Bachmann > > Gesendet: Freitag, 5. Juli 2013 15:26 > > An: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > > Betreff: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Gruessau Mss collection now online > > > > From the baroque lute mailing archive > > Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 > > The Library intends to scan the entire collection (Mf. 2001, > > 2003, 2004,2005, 2006, 2008, 2009, 2010 [already done], 2011) and to > > place them online. I think it's a question of the next few month, > > maybe a bit longer. > > AD 2013 > > Dear Lute friends, > > yesterday I had another look at the large collection of Baroque Lute > > Tablatures at SCRIB > > ( in case you don't follow the lutegroup at ning, that would be: > > A voir sur Scribd, une belle collection de 169 facsimiles pour le > luth > > baroque. L'adresse est la suivante > > http://fr.scribd.com/collections/4236677/Baroque-Lute-tablature > > ) > > To my surprise I found now high quality scans of the Gruessau Mss > > collection. Wow, very impressive! > > In the facsimile of "PL-Wu 2001a BLute duos" one sees references to > > http://www.buw.uw.edu.pl and http://ebuw.uw.edu.pl > > in every page. > > Now that's easy detective work to locate the sources ... > > Aha, Biblioteka Uniwersytecka w Warszawie > > OK, with the digital library site ( ebuw..) I made progress. Switched > > to english (ehem, my polish works only through google translate .. ;) > > and typed the magic words "lute tablature" SEARCH and yes, there they > > are > > [Tabulatura lutniowa RM 4143 olim Mf 2011]. > > [Tabulatura lutniowa RM 4142 olim Mf 2010]. > > [Tabulatura lutniowa RM 4141 olim Mf 2009]. > > [Tabulatura lutniowa RM 4136 olim Mf 2003]. > > [Tabulatura lutniowa RM 4140 olim Mf 2008]. > > [Tabulatura lutniowa RM 4138 olim Mf 2005]. > > [Tabulatura lutniowa RM 4137 olim Mf 2004]. > > [Tabulatura lutniowa RM 4135a+b olim Mf 2001a+b]. > > I trastulli d'Apollo : in soavi Concenti e Cavate ... > > Concertus diversi pro testitudinis cui accedunt va... > > digital facsimiles you can look at (browser asks for a DjVu plug-in), > > download as bundeld DjVu file or print (export) as pdf-files. > > That really saved my day ;) > > It's really impressive to see how major libraries are continously > > digitalizing and sharing their invaluable materials, thanks to them > > all! > > Hasta la vista. > > > > -- > > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > > > > > > > > > -- > --
[BAROQUE-LUTE] AW: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Grüssau Mss collection now online
Dear Ralf and lute friends, Can anyone tell me whether or not it is legal to place manuscript scans in its original form into data bases such as SRIBD? When I request a scan from any library I normally have to sign a declaration that the scan is for private use only (publication of manuscripts in their authentic form normally triggers a fee...). Thank you for your advice, Bernhard -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag von Ralf Bachmann Gesendet: Freitag, 5. Juli 2013 15:26 An: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Betreff: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Grüssau Mss collection now online From the baroque lute mailing archive Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 The Library intends to scan the entire collection (Mf. 2001, 2003, 2004,2005, 2006, 2008, 2009, 2010 [already done], 2011) and to place them online. I think it's a question of the next few month, maybe a bit longer. AD 2013 Dear Lute friends, yesterday I had another look at the large collection of Baroque Lute Tablatures at SCRIB ( in case you don't follow the lutegroup at ning, that would be: A voir sur Scribd, une belle collection de 169 facsimiles pour le luth baroque. L'adresse est la suivante http://fr.scribd.com/collections/4236677/Baroque-Lute-tablature ) To my surprise I found now high quality scans of the Gruessau Mss collection. Wow, very impressive! In the facsimile of "PL-Wu 2001a BLute duos" one sees references to http://www.buw.uw.edu.pl and http://ebuw.uw.edu.pl in every page. Now that's easy detective work to locate the sources ... Aha, Biblioteka Uniwersytecka w Warszawie OK, with the digital library site ( ebuw..) I made progress. Switched to english (ehem, my polish works only through google translate .. ;) and typed the magic words "lute tablature" SEARCH and yes, there they are [Tabulatura lutniowa RM 4143 olim Mf 2011]. [Tabulatura lutniowa RM 4142 olim Mf 2010]. [Tabulatura lutniowa RM 4141 olim Mf 2009]. [Tabulatura lutniowa RM 4136 olim Mf 2003]. [Tabulatura lutniowa RM 4140 olim Mf 2008]. [Tabulatura lutniowa RM 4138 olim Mf 2005]. [Tabulatura lutniowa RM 4137 olim Mf 2004]. [Tabulatura lutniowa RM 4135a+b olim Mf 2001a+b]. I trastulli d'Apollo : in soavi Concenti e Cavate ... Concertus diversi pro testitudinis cui accedunt va... digital facsimiles you can look at (browser asks for a DjVu plug-in), download as bundeld DjVu file or print (export) as pdf-files. That really saved my day ;) It's really impressive to see how major libraries are continously digitalizing and sharing their invaluable materials, thanks to them all! Hasta la vista. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: The "golden" rose
Dear Luca, I have no knowledge of a lute with a golden rose, BUT I have knowledge of two lutes with heraldic double-head eagle in the rose. Any interest in this? Bernhard -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag von Luca Manassero Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. Juni 2013 16:12 An: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Betreff: [BAROQUE-LUTE] The "golden" rose Dear list, a few years ago I saw pictures of a lute built by a well known british lutemaker and showing a really beautiful golden rose. Baroque lutenists certainly know about the Allemande of Ennemond Gaultier (Vieux Gaultier) "La roze d'or" also known as "The loss of the golden rose lute". My question is: have you any news (or iconographc evidence) of (original) lutes with a golden rose? Thank you in advance, Luca To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Interesting web page: www.lute.cz
Thank you Ralf, for your hint to Dr. Emil Vogel and the web page. I am too have this book since and play from it from time to time. Actually it was one of my very first tabulature books. Bernhard -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag von Ralf Bachmann Gesendet: Dienstag, 21. Mai 2013 16:33 An: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Betreff: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Interesting web page: www.lute.cz www.lute.cz Nice web page with an overview of tablature books which are currently held in the Czech Republic + an extended personal view on Dr. Emil Vogl. I remember back in 1987 having bought Vogl's tablature book "From the lute tablatures of Bohemian baroque" Edition Supraphon, and enjoyed playing from it! After all those years still easy to spot in my collection: very pink cover + black letters ;-) Actually someone made a quite convincing CD of that material ... shame on me, have to look at home who he was ;-) Best wishes, Ralf -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Rochus Berhandtzky
Dear Lute Friends, Over the last few days I have released six 'dilettante' recordings with pieces originally composed for baroque lute by Rochus C. Berhandtzky. According to my knowledge, this lutenist and composer Rochus Behandtky (c. 1660 - † ?) is widely unknown and has not been realised as major lutenist figure of the 2nd half of 17th century in southern Germany (Bavaria). His lute pieces survived in manuscripts in Kremsmünster (MS L83a) and Vienna (MS 7763/92) (both Austria). I have prepared a short VC of Mr. Berhandtzky for you orientation: Introducing: Rochus Berhandtzky (c. 1660 - † ?) - A lutenist at the Bavarian court: Rochus Berhandtzky was born around 1660 in ‘Schwalbach’, however the exact location of this village somewhere in Germany has not been confirmed so far. On 1 September 1682 he became lutenist at the Bavarian Court in Munich. At this time he was already married and father of children. His announcement as ’Court Lutenist’ followed shortly after he played in front of Maximilian II Emanuel, Elector of Bavaria (1662 - 1726). He started his carrier with an annual salary of 100 fl (Gulden); by 1686 his salary increased to 400 fl p.a. From 1686 onwards Berhandtzky names himself as ‘Camer Lauttenist’ (Chamber lutenist). In 1686 Rochus Berhantzky followed Maximilian II Emanuel to Austria and Hungary. The royal entourage of the Elector of Bavaria from Munich to Austria and Hungary included 797 persons and 1044 horses and nearly 100 carriages. Prominent members of this voyage were the military commander General Johann Karl Count of Sereni and Marquis de St. Maurisse, both later honoured by Berhandtzky with a Tombeau. The military commander General Johann Karl Count of Sereni was born in 1640 and entered into the Bavarian army in 1664. He managed a significant carrier and became one of the most senior Bavarian military commanders by 1683. He died in 1691 in Munich after serving his country and the Holy Roman Empire in numerous fights in Europe. Due to financial shortage of Bavaria, Ruchus Berhandtzky was released from the Bavarian Court in 1689 but shortly after reintroduced to the Bavarian Court in 1690. In 1692 he amounted significant private debt and was again released from the Court. >From 1692, traces of Rochus Berhantzky became lost. One of his daughters became a servant of Eleanore Maria of Austria (1653 - 1697) at the Royal Court in Innsbruck (Tirol). Eventually, Berhandtzky followed his daughter - but we do not know for sure. At the zenith of his carrier as lutenist at the Bavarian Court, Rochus Berhantzky cared for a household of nine persons including his wife, children, parents and servants. Part of his lute compositions survived in hand-written manuscripts in Vienna and Kremsmünster (Austria). According to my information / recherché following pieces survived in Austrian manuscripts: 1. Prelude de R. Berhandtzky / d-moll / A-Wgm7763-92 / 2v 2. Allemande de R. Berhandtzky / d-moll / A-Wgm7763-92 / 6v 3. Courante de R. Berhandtzky / d-moll / A-Wgm7763-92 / 7v 4. Sarabande de R. Berhandtzky / d-moll / A-Wgm7763-92 / 8v 5. Sarabande de R. Berhandtzky / d-moll / A-Wgm7763-92 / 9v 6. Gavotte de R. Berhandtzky / d-moll / A-Wgm7763-92 / 10v 7. La funeste et Glorieux Tombeau de Mon(sei)g(neu)r le Marquis de St. Maurisse. Gigue de R. Berhandzky / a-moll / A-KR83a / 42v 8. Tombeau du feu son E. Monsgr le General Sereni Allemande de R. Berhandski / f-moll / A-KR83a / 47v 9. Courente de R. Berhandski nomée la noble pensée / f-moll / A-KR83a / 48v 10. Sarab(ande) / f-moll / A-KR83a / 49v 11. Gavotte / f-moll / A-KR83a / 50r 12. Gigue / f-moll / A-KR83a / 50v 13. Rondeau / f-moll / A-KR83a / 51r 14. Le Tombeau de feu Madame la Daufine Allemande de R. Berhandzki / c-moll / A-KR83a / 51v 15. Cour(ante) / F-Dur /A-KR83a / 53v 16. Men(uet) / F-Dur / A-KR83a / 54r 17. Sarab(ande) / F-Dur / A-KR83a / 54v 18. Menue(t) / F-Dur / A-KR83a / 54v 19. Men(uet) / F-Dur / A-KR83a / 55r I have recorded following pieces from the Vienna manuscript MS 7763/92: Prelude de Rochus Berhandtzky: http://youtu.be/EpoLLiq_Ic4 Sarabande in d minor de Rochus Berhandtzky: http://youtu.be/aZ2XqGwDXqQ Sarabande in d minor de Rochus Berhandtzky: http://youtu.be/6jcQJ58es30 I have recorded following pieces from the Kremsmünster manuscript MS 83a: Tombeau du feu son E. Monsgr le General Sereni Allemande de R. Berhandski in f minor: http://youtu.be/U5kGKWSKT_M Sarabande in f minor de Rochus Berhandtzky for Baroque Lute: http://youtu.be/FhyAQCUOqQ0 Rondeau in f minor de Rochus Berhandtzky for Baroque Lute: http://youtu.be/OzgKBrAV6yg I am very confident that more pieces can be found in sources from Munich (Bavaria, Germany) and Innsbruck (Tirol, Austria). I have re-written / collected all so far known 19 pieces of Rochus Berhandtzky into an "Œuvre de Berhandtzky" lute book which is now available for everyone from my baroque lute manuscript collection for free at: http://www.scribd.com/doc/125748574/%C5%92uvre-de-Rochus-Be
[BAROQUE-LUTE] La Rhetorique des Dieux by Denis Gaultier
Dear Lute Friends, Between Christmas and New Year I recorded with my Zoom recorder my amateur interpretations of all the pieces in "Sous Dorien Mode" from Denis Gaultier's famous baroque lute manuscript "La Rhetorique des Dieux". I started this work by hand-copying all pieces of the "La Rhetorique des Dieux" into a new and dedicated tabulature book and I also added copies of all the pictures. So in total I generated my own complete copy of the "La Rhetorique des Dieux" which would be available as PDF. In total I played following pieces: Prelude, Andromede, Diane, La Coquette Virtuosa, Allemande, Atalante and Sarabande. The videos can be found as follow: [1]http://youtu.be/l9j44iOVIh0 [2]http://youtu.be/WwavXsHsdMg [3]http://youtu.be/AOycbflFXyM [4]http://youtu.be/pgVG6MhXf1g [5]http://youtu.be/4RR12KLhli4 [6]http://youtu.be/M50vuxFkrnQ [7]http://youtu.be/TgCcCrcSDRA I noted that only very few other versions are in the internet. I would welcome very much to listen to other interpretation especially as D. Gaultier's tabulature manuscript serves only as "scaffold" and misses detailed signs normally found in tabulature manuscripts. So I look forward to your kind comments and suggestions to improve and to do better next year. A special Thank to Rainer from Vienna! My best wished to all of you for the New Year 2013 from Vienna. Bernhard. -- References 1. http://youtu.be/l9j44iOVIh0 2. http://youtu.be/WwavXsHsdMg 3. http://youtu.be/AOycbflFXyM 4. http://youtu.be/pgVG6MhXf1g 5. http://youtu.be/4RR12KLhli4 6. http://youtu.be/M50vuxFkrnQ 7. http://youtu.be/TgCcCrcSDRA To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: International Bremen Symposium for Lute Music in November of 2012
Dear Ed, I was there in Bremen. Best regards from Vienna, Bernhard - - - - - - - - - - - - - Bernhard Fischer Dilletante de la musique pour le luth A-1150 Vienna, Austria Mail: fischer...@aon.at -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag von Edward Martin Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. Dezember 2012 02:02 An: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Betreff: [BAROQUE-LUTE] International Bremen Symposium for Lute Music in November of 2012 Dear Ones, If anyone on this list attended the Bremen Symposium for lute last month, would you please contact Dan Larson? Dan is the President of the Lute Society of America, and he is asking that a participant please contact him at: d...@daniellarson.com. He is seeking somebody who is willing to write perhaps 2 paragraphs, reporting on what took place at the Symposium. This is to be published in our newsletter, The Quarterly. Please reply directly to Dan, Thanks. ed Edward Martin 2817 East 2nd Street Duluth, Minnesota 55812 e-mail: e...@gamutstrings.com voice: (218) 728-1202 http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1660298871&ref=name http://www.myspace.com/edslute http://magnatune.com/artists/edward_martin To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Vienna lute music 1672
Dear lute friends, According to your requests / suggestions I have made my (hand-written) copy of the "Baroque lute manuscript of Johann Gotthard Peyer" (Vienna 1672, MS18826) available on the internet. http://de.scribd.com/doc/111288966/The-baroque-lute-manuscript-of-Johann-Got thard-Peyer-Vienna-1672-MS-18826 For PDF-copy of the original for private use: please contact me directly. Kind regards from Vienna, Bernhard - - - - - - - - -- - - - - - - - Dilettante de la musique pour le luth Tel.: +43-664-1432919 Fax.: +43-1-25330337795 Mail: fischer...@aon.at - - - - - Dear lute friends, For my recordings I have copied the MS 18826 from Vienna. Within the next days (when I return from current business trip) I'll make the copy available to all of you on SCRIBD. I am having also a PDF-copy of the original manuscript for private use / circulation Best regards from Vienna, Bernhard -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Dear lute friends, The Austrian National Library owns a baroque lute manuscript hand-written by the composer Johann Gotthard Peyer. From 1672 to 1678 Johann Gotthard Peyer was chaplain of the Imperial Court's orchestra in Vienna/Austria. According to records his annual salary was 200 Gulden. His baroque lute tabulature is attributed to Leopold I (1640 - 1705), Holy Roman Emperor, King of Hungary and King of Bohemia as we can read from the title page in Latin language "Lesus testudine tenoris gallici teutonico laboretextus. Quem: Augustissimo ac Inuictissimo Romanorum Imperatori Leopoldo :I: Hungariae Boehmiaeque Regi, Archidci Austrae ec.ec. Apillini ac Domino suo Clementissimo. In submississimae Deuotiotionis argumentum. Concinnauit ac humillime dedicauit Infumus Vasalus. Joannes Gotthardus Peyer: SS: Thlgae sac: Canonumque candidatus Presbyter". >From this inscription it is clear that Peyer presented his music in person to Leopold I. As good as possible in my study room I recorded first time the Allemande, the Sarabande and the Caprize in d-minor from the manuscript. Combined video: [1]http://youtu.be/UvPcoPCuObg Single video Allemande: [2]http://youtu.be/5jc-2l_-tFs Single video Sarabande: [3]http://youtu.be/WaRSIq14pso Single video Caprize: [4]http://youtu.be/CtnrCEmJ5Tg I appreciate your comments, critics and suggestions. References 1. http://youtu.be/UvPcoPCuObg 2. http://youtu.be/5jc-2l_-tFs 3. http://youtu.be/WaRSIq14pso 4. http://youtu.be/CtnrCEmJ5Tg Bernhard - - - - - - - - -- - - - - - - - Dilettante de la musique pour le luth Tel.: +43-664-1432919 Fax.: +43-1-25330337795 Mail: fischer...@aon.at To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Vienna lute music 1672
Dear lute friends, For my recordings I have copied the MS 18826 from Vienna. Within the next days (when I return from current business trip) I'll make the copy available to all of you on SCRIBD. I am having also a PDF-copy of the original manuscript for private use / circulation Best regards from Vienna, Bernhard - - - - - - - - -- - - - - - - - Dilettante de la musique pour le luth Tel.: +43-664-1432919 Fax.: +43-1-25330337795 Mail: fischer...@aon.at -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Dear lute friends, The Austrian National Library owns a baroque lute manuscript hand-written by the composer Johann Gotthard Peyer. From 1672 to 1678 Johann Gotthard Peyer was chaplain of the Imperial Court's orchestra in Vienna/Austria. According to records his annual salary was 200 Gulden. His baroque lute tabulature is attributed to Leopold I (1640 - 1705), Holy Roman Emperor, King of Hungary and King of Bohemia as we can read from the title page in Latin language "Lesus testudine tenoris gallici teutonico laboretextus. Quem: Augustissimo ac Inuictissimo Romanorum Imperatori Leopoldo :I: Hungariae Boehmiaeque Regi, Archidci Austrae ec.ec. Apillini ac Domino suo Clementissimo. In submississimae Deuotiotionis argumentum. Concinnauit ac humillime dedicauit Infumus Vasalus. Joannes Gotthardus Peyer: SS: Thlgae sac: Canonumque candidatus Presbyter". From this inscription it is clear that Peyer presented his music in person to Leopold I. As good as possible in my study room I recorded first time the Allemande, the Sarabande and the Caprize in d-minor from the manuscript. Combined video: [1]http://youtu.be/UvPcoPCuObg Single video Allemande: [2]http://youtu.be/5jc-2l_-tFs Single video Sarabande: [3]http://youtu.be/WaRSIq14pso Single video Caprize: [4]http://youtu.be/CtnrCEmJ5Tg I appreciate your comments, critics and suggestions. References 1. http://youtu.be/UvPcoPCuObg 2. http://youtu.be/5jc-2l_-tFs 3. http://youtu.be/WaRSIq14pso 4. http://youtu.be/CtnrCEmJ5Tg Bernhard - - - - - - - - -- - - - - - - - Dilettante de la musique pour le luth Tel.: +43-664-1432919 Fax.: +43-1-25330337795 Mail: fischer...@aon.at To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Vienna lute music 1672
Dear lute friends, The Austrian National Library owns a baroque lute manuscript hand-written by the composer Johann Gotthard Peyer. From 1672 to 1678 Johann Gotthard Peyer was chaplain of the Imperial Court's orchestra in Vienna/Austria. According to records his annual salary was 200 Gulden. His baroque lute tabulature is attributed to Leopold I (1640 - 1705), Holy Roman Emperor, King of Hungary and King of Bohemia as we can read from the title page in Latin language "Lesus testudine tenoris gallici teutonico laboretextus. Quem: Augustissimo ac Inuictissimo Romanorum Imperatori Leopoldo :I: Hungariae Boehmiaeque Regi, Archidci Austrae ec.ec. Apillini ac Domino suo Clementissimo. In submississimae Deuotiotionis argumentum. Concinnauit ac humillime dedicauit Infumus Vasalus. Joannes Gotthardus Peyer: SS: Thlgae sac: Canonumque candidatus Presbyter". From this inscription it is clear that Peyer presented his music in person to Leopold I. As good as possible in my study room I recorded first time the Allemande, the Sarabande and the Caprize in d-minor from the manuscript. Combined video: [1]http://youtu.be/UvPcoPCuObg Single video Allemande: [2]http://youtu.be/5jc-2l_-tFs Single video Sarabande: [3]http://youtu.be/WaRSIq14pso Single video Caprize: [4]http://youtu.be/CtnrCEmJ5Tg I appreciate your comments, critics and suggestions. Bernhard - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- - - - - - - - Dilettante de la musique pour le luth Tel.: +43-664-1432919 Fax.: +43-1-25330337795 Mail: [5]fischer...@aon.at -- References 1. http://youtu.be/UvPcoPCuObg 2. http://youtu.be/5jc-2l_-tFs 3. http://youtu.be/WaRSIq14pso 4. http://youtu.be/CtnrCEmJ5Tg 5. mailto:fischer...@aon.at To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Gaultier and Perrine
Dear friends, Over last weekend I recorded an experimental series of three pieces: Allemande ou Tombeau de Mezangeau by Ennemond (Vieux) Gaultier, Sarabande by Denise (Jeune) Gaultier and Fantasies (Fantasia) by Denise (Jeune) Gaultier. In 1680, Perrine published his book "Pieces de Luth en Musique avec des Regles pour les toucher parfaitem sur le Luth, et sur le Clavessin". In this minute book Perrine gathered more than 30 pieces from his time's best lutenist, Ennemond and Denis Gaultier. As we all know in the 17th century lute music was scripted in tabulature, a convenient but often rather vague notation system. In an effort to redress this system, Perrine transcribed Gaultier pieces into usual notation on two scores, adding as many precise details as he could, thus creating precious indications for the understanding and interpretation of tabulature. In addition, in the introductory foreword of his minute book, Perrine described in great detail how to separate accords depending of their value. In my recordings I tried to play these three Gaultier pieces as precise as possible according to Perrine's instructions. The results of my recordings are available: [1]http://youtu.be/MNSpwrB-oYA [2]http://youtu.be/irjJMBA_3Y8 [3]http://youtu.be/v2d5nfZzu0M I appreciate your comments and suggestions. PS. I would like to thank Rainer and Miguel. All the best, Ernst Bernhard, Vienna. -- References 1. http://youtu.be/MNSpwrB-oYA 2. http://youtu.be/irjJMBA_3Y8 3. http://youtu.be/v2d5nfZzu0M To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Kellner Phantasia a-minor
Dear friends, Thanks to Rainer, earlier this summer I came across David Kellner's compositions "XVI. Auserlesene Lauten-Stuecke" (Hamburg, 1747). In August, I discussed the Phantasia in a-minor with Joachim and Luciano. Thank you. Yesterday I made a first attempt to record the Phantasia with my primitive equipment. You find the result at [1]http://youtu.be/TI3wbpJJ6EQ or [2]https://vimeo.com/47641395 I wish all of you a lovely late summer, Bernhard. -- References 1. http://youtu.be/TI3wbpJJ6EQ 2. https://vimeo.com/47641395 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Rare Weiss engraving for sale
Dear Stephan, You should donate it to a gallery of music library or a lute society. Normally, copper engravings of this size, even copies of well-known paintings by famous painters reproduced by copper plates, make between 100 and 500 EURO in an auction today. However, I do not know what a "Liebhaber" is prepared to pay... Kind regards from Vienna, Bernhard -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag von Stephan Olbertz Gesendet: Donnerstag, 7. Juni 2012 09:00 An: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Betreff: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Rare Weiss engraving for sale I own a copy of the well-known engraving of Silvius Leopold Weiss (with the subtitle "Es soll nur Silvius die Laute spielen"). It's engraved 1765 by Folin after a painting by Denner and measures ca. 10 x 15 cm. You all have seen it more than once, as it is the only surviving picture of Weiss. I don't know how many copies survived, but it can't be much. The copy is in a very good condition, except what seems to be the traces of some small sparks. This is definitely a rare and beautiful piece of lute history. I'm looking forward to your offers, If you are interested, please contact me off-list. -- Viele Grüße Best regards Stephan Olbertz To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Sorry! Try again!!: Introduce myself
Dear James, Welcome at the baroque lute club. My name is Bernhard (alias "Viennalute" at YouTube). I am living in Vienna. I am 100% amateur. I assume that you try as intensive as we all to play the baroque lute. My first 11c lute came from Markneukirchen/Germany, my better 13c lute has been build by Mr. Renatus Lechner, Bremen. There are some lute friends in northern UK, eg. Scotland as much I do know. I hope, we can see you and listening to your music one day too. Best wishes from Vienna, Bernhard -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag von James Jackson Gesendet: Mittwoch, 2. Mai 2012 14:09 An: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; lute-buil...@cs.dartmouth.edu Betreff: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Sorry! Try again!!: Introduce myself Hi everyone, I'm sorry about my last message - I hit send before I'd finished! I'll start again I'm James, new to the list. I'm from the UK, I've been playing baroque lute for 3 months, but I came from renesssiance tuning, which i've been playing for quite a bit and I've been playing guitar for even longer. So although the plethora of bass strings and new tuning have taken some getting used to, I think I'm getting there! It was originally Daniel Shoskes' and also Valery Sauvage's fantastic YouTube videos of baroque lute playing that made me want to take the plunge and move to baroque lute. A move I don't regret in the slightest! I thought I got blank looks the faces of people as it went over their head when I said I played renaissance lute. You should see their faces when I try to explain baroque lute!! ( You see most my age in this area ((North East England)), think there's nothing better than to go clubbing and drinking every night they're not working. They literally drink themselves into the ground on a regular basis.) And the next time I try to explain I play baroque lute and to which they reply "Lute? Don't you mean flute?" - I...I think I'll have breakdown Anyhow. At the moment, I currently have a 12 course double-headed lute in D minor (A92), on loan from the UK Lute Society (Built during one of David Van Edward's summer schools) but I've just started David Van Edward's fantastic Build Your Own Baroque Lute course, thus I'm building a 13c J.C. Hoffman (Bass rider type), and I have an 8c renaissance lute in the works too, but the 13c takes priority as I really don't want to have to hire forever. Anyway, I just thought I'd be polite and introduce myself and say hello and I very much look forward to talking to you all Kind regards James. -- Forwarded message -- From: James Jackson <[1]weirdgeor...@googlemail.com> Date: 2 May 2012 12:51 Subject: Introduce myself To: [2]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu, [3]lute-buil...@cs.dartmouth.edu -- References 1. mailto:weirdgeor...@googlemail.com 2. mailto:baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 3. mailto:lute-buil...@cs.dartmouth.edu To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Mouton's "campanella" technique
Arto, In his famous book "Pieces de luth" Perrine uses the "p" for pouce (engl: thumb). And to indicate the first finger (right hand) he used an "a" as you can see from the copy of a page of this other book "Livre de musique pur le lut". Bernhard -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag von wi...@cs.helsinki.fi Gesendet: Donnerstag, 12. April 2012 09:34 An: Bernhard Fischer Cc: 'Baroque Lute Net'; vihu...@cs.dartmouth.edu Betreff: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Mouton's "campanella" technique Dear Bernhard, thanks! The 17706 (8r-8v) doesn't seem to indicate playing the campanella, as you also have written. On the other hand the Saizenay 279153 (p. 114) does that, and uses special markings to that: "g." and "p.". What (French?) words could those mean? Best, Arto On 12/04/12 09:45, Bernhard Fischer wrote: > Dear Arto, > > This Mouton Prelude is well known and included in lute school books as > teaching material / example. It is included in several historic manuscripts > in various versions, with and without dissection the bass course. For your > kind information I attach my hand-written copy of this piece from the Vienna > MS 17706. > > Best regards from Vienna, > Bernhard > > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag > von Arto Wikla > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 11. April 2012 18:50 > An: Baroque Lute Net; vihu...@cs.dartmouth.edu > Betreff: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Mouton's "campanella" technique > > Dear baroque lutenists and guitarists, > I played a tiny Prelude by Mouton from his printed book Pieces de Luth, > page 1. Here Mouton uses his unique(?) technique of playing first only > the low octave of a bass course and only after some higher strings the > upper octave of the same bass course. So it is actually the > "campanella" technique better known in baroque guitar music. > You can find my version in > [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N64w2NH6hCg&feature=youtu.be > It is quite short, 46 seconds. The campanella passage starts in about > 0:21, where the bass goes C-B-A-G-F (a'A5Hz). > Does anyone know, whether any other baroque lutenist used this > technique? > All the best, > Arto > -- > > References > > 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N64w2NH6hCg&feature=youtu.be > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Mouton's "campanella" technique
Arto, In his famous book "Pieces de luth" Perrine uses the "p" for pouce (engl: thumb). Bernhard -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag von wi...@cs.helsinki.fi Gesendet: Donnerstag, 12. April 2012 09:34 An: Bernhard Fischer Cc: 'Baroque Lute Net'; vihu...@cs.dartmouth.edu Betreff: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Mouton's "campanella" technique Dear Bernhard, thanks! The 17706 (8r-8v) doesn't seem to indicate playing the campanella, as you also have written. On the other hand the Saizenay 279153 (p. 114) does that, and uses special markings to that: "g." and "p.". What (French?) words could those mean? Best, Arto On 12/04/12 09:45, Bernhard Fischer wrote: > Dear Arto, > > This Mouton Prelude is well known and included in lute school books as > teaching material / example. It is included in several historic manuscripts > in various versions, with and without dissection the bass course. For your > kind information I attach my hand-written copy of this piece from the Vienna > MS 17706. > > Best regards from Vienna, > Bernhard > > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag > von Arto Wikla > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 11. April 2012 18:50 > An: Baroque Lute Net; vihu...@cs.dartmouth.edu > Betreff: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Mouton's "campanella" technique > > Dear baroque lutenists and guitarists, > I played a tiny Prelude by Mouton from his printed book Pieces de Luth, > page 1. Here Mouton uses his unique(?) technique of playing first only > the low octave of a bass course and only after some higher strings the > upper octave of the same bass course. So it is actually the > "campanella" technique better known in baroque guitar music. > You can find my version in > [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N64w2NH6hCg&feature=youtu.be > It is quite short, 46 seconds. The campanella passage starts in about > 0:21, where the bass goes C-B-A-G-F (a'A5Hz). > Does anyone know, whether any other baroque lutenist used this > technique? > All the best, > Arto > -- > > References > > 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N64w2NH6hCg&feature=youtu.be > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Mouton's "campanella" technique
Dear Arto, This Mouton Prelude is well known and included in lute school books as teaching material / example. It is included in several historic manuscripts in various versions, with and without dissection the bass course. For your kind information I attach my hand-written copy of this piece from the Vienna MS 17706. Best regards from Vienna, Bernhard -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag von Arto Wikla Gesendet: Mittwoch, 11. April 2012 18:50 An: Baroque Lute Net; vihu...@cs.dartmouth.edu Betreff: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Mouton's "campanella" technique Dear baroque lutenists and guitarists, I played a tiny Prelude by Mouton from his printed book Pieces de Luth, page 1. Here Mouton uses his unique(?) technique of playing first only the low octave of a bass course and only after some higher strings the upper octave of the same bass course. So it is actually the "campanella" technique better known in baroque guitar music. You can find my version in [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N64w2NH6hCg&feature=youtu.be It is quite short, 46 seconds. The campanella passage starts in about 0:21, where the bass goes C-B-A-G-F (a'A5Hz). Does anyone know, whether any other baroque lutenist used this technique? All the best, Arto -- References 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N64w2NH6hCg&feature=youtu.be To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Mandora Tabulatures
Dear lute friends, in the foreword of Christian Meyer's book "Sources Manuscrites en Tabulature" for Theorbe and Lute, Vol. III/1 for Austria (1997) he noted at time of printing "... it has been impossible up to now to identify or locate several manuscripts, e.g. MS 3102 and MS 10.065 from Vienna...". However, I have been lucky to retrieve both tabulature manuscripts. It appeared that both manuscripts are for Mandora. MS 10.065 is for 6c Mandora (Tabulature with 6 lines), and MS 3102 actually is a Mandora School book for 8c Mandora (Tabulature with 5 lines). Both manuscripts are 18th century. I have hand-copied both manuscripts (digital copies should not published accoding to copyright). The copied manuscripts are available in my SCRIBT account [1]http://www.scribd.com/doc/85739402/Mandora-Tabulature-Vienna-MS-10-0 65-127 and [2]http://www.scribd.com/doc/85739791/Mandora-School-Tabulature-Vienna- MS-3102-SCH I am having digital copies of both tabulatures available for private use / exchange among private individuals on request. Best regards from Vienna, Bernhard. -- References 1. http://www.scribd.com/doc/85739402/Mandora-Tabulature-Vienna-MS-10-065-127 2. http://www.scribd.com/doc/85739791/Mandora-School-Tabulature-Vienna-MS-3102-SCH To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: La belle homicide
Dear Arto, The Courante d:g: L'Homocide is also included in the Vienna manuscript MS 17706. I attach the PDF copy. >From the piece exist so many copies in manuscripts all over the world: La Belle Homicide (#15) (Contrepartie: D-B4230 / 48v - GB-Ob617 / 28 (Mouton) or D-B4230 / 49v (Bentle) 1. A-ETGoëssI / 15v (#12) | 2. A-ETGoëssIII / 22v (#30) | 3. A-GÖ2 / 82v (#101) | 4. A-KR78 / 37v (#62) | 5. A-KR79 / 196v (#310) | 6. B-Br276 / 29r | 7. B-Br276 / 114v | 8. CZ-PnmE36 / 151 (#97) | 9. CZ-PuKk84 / 3v (#3) | 10. D-As / 52.05r (#70) | 11. D-As / 56.35 (#107) | 12. D-LEm6-24 / 143v (#221) | 13. D-LEm6-24 / 146v (#225) | 14. D-ROu54 / 348 (#307) | 15. F-AIXm17 / 100r (#151) | 16. F-B279152 / 37 (#50) | 17. F-B279153 / 14 (#14) | 18. F-Pn823 / 91v (#73) | 19. F-Pn6212 / 65v (#95) | 20. F-Pn6214 / 48v (#51) | 21. F-Pn6265 / 85 (#76) | 22. F-PnVm7-675 / 87 (#61 Guitar) | 23. F-PnVmb-7 / 26 (#22) | 24. F-PnVmf-51 / 46v (#52) | 25. GB-Ob576 / 15v (#14) | 26. GB-Ob617 / 10 (#7) | 27. MoutonI / 14 | 28. PL-Kj40633 / 29v (#46) | 29. PL-Pu7033 / 44 (#28) | 30. Rhetorique / 226 (#50) | 31. S-Klm21068 / 7v | 32. S-LG34I / 56 | 33. S-LG34II / 14 | 34. S-LG34II / 15 | 35. S-LG37 / 29 | 36. Suittes faciles / 3 | 37. US-CAh174 / 22 Kind regards from Vienna, Bernhard -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag von Arto Wikla Gesendet: Freitag, 9. März 2012 21:31 An: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Betreff: [BAROQUE-LUTE] La belle homicide Dear baroque lutenists, "La belle homicide" is really very strange, very special and especially very great piece! The music and also the name! And they knew that - of course - already in the 17th century: There are at least about 40 versions/copies of this piece in different manuscripts! I just made my first try using the ms. Barbe version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wX4riaTkTP4&feature=youtu.be Perhaps more versions to come? And yes, I really do know that my playing is not perfect at all... But the piece is great! I love it! :) Best, Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: BL Transcription of Tropico by M. Ponce
Dear Edgar, Thank you for your posting. What means "near Vienna"? I am living IN Vienna. I also have a SCRIBD account and I started to provide copies of BL manuscripts from Vienna. This alone is a major source of pieces. In Vienna, we are only a handful lute players. I do know Mr. Rainer Waldeck a very nice person (ex-professional) where I started to take regular lessons. Prof. Contini is teaching at the Conservatorium, is very helpful too. Only by name I know Mr. Hubert Hoffmann. This is it for the moment. Do you know that this May we will host the Lute Festival of the DLG in Vienna? Why not meet sooner or later? Kind regards, Bernhard Fischer biotechconsult...@aon.at Vienna, Austria -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag von Edgar Aichinger Gesendet: Montag, 13. Februar 2012 11:56 An: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Betreff: [BAROQUE-LUTE] BL Transcription of Tropico by M. Ponce Hello, after years of silently reading this list I'd like to introduce myself. My name is Edgar Aichinger, I'm an amateur self-tought lute player living near Vienna, Austria. I started with guitar at age of 14, back in the seventies and always felt attracted by renaissance and baroque music, so when i got the chance to buy a second hand 10 course lute made by (Hans Hermann Herb, Erlangen 1979) around 1994, I just had to do it. After some years playing ren. tuning i changed strings and stayed with d-minor from then on. The lute is a bit of a special case, according to viennese luthier Nupi Jenner it is built like a baroque lute (curved fretboard) but lacks some typical attributes. E.g. the pegbox doesn't have the typical decorated jigsawed coverplate at the back side, the neck-body joint is at fret 9, not 10. and it has only 10 courses! ;) Nupi had to open it to repair a crack in the belly, and while doing so he found out that the neck joint is done in a very unusual way. Well after all it has been built before the big early music boom... Well anyway, I'd like to express my gratitude for many hours of interesting reading, links to facsimiles and other sources for music being posted here. As an attempt to give something back to the community (being an open-source guy that's natural thinking for me) I want to let you know that I posted my BL transcription of a guitar solo piece by Manuel Ponce, Tropico, to my scribd page. I spent a couple of months in Mexico City back in Winter 1996/7, living in a musician's household, and brought with me copies of autographs by Ponce, from a book I found there. I hope some of you find this interesting and I'm all ears if anyone has suggestions on improving the transcription. I can also post the cripps lutetab source, and maybe also a - mediocre - recording by myself if someone is interested. Here's the link: http://www.scribd.com/edogawa23/d/81356266-tropico-a4 Eventually some more music will follow, I'll keep you informed. Greetings, Edgar -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: BL Transcription of Tropico by M. Ponce
Dear Edgar, Thank you for your posting. What means "near Vienna"? I am living IN Vienna. I also have a SCRIBD account and I started to provide copies of BL manuscripts from Vienna. This alone is a major source of pieces. In Vienna, we are only a handful lute players. I do know Mr. Rainer Waldeck a very nice person (ex-professional) where I started to take regular lessons. Prof. Contini is teaching at the Conservatorium, is very helpful too. Only by name I know Mr. Hubert Hoffmann. This is it for the moment. Do you know that this May we will host the Lute Festival of the DLG in Vienna? Why not meet sooner or later? Kind regards, Bernhard Fischer biotechconsult...@aon.at Vienna, Austria -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag von Edgar Aichinger Gesendet: Montag, 13. Februar 2012 11:56 An: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Betreff: [BAROQUE-LUTE] BL Transcription of Tropico by M. Ponce Hello, after years of silently reading this list I'd like to introduce myself. My name is Edgar Aichinger, I'm an amateur self-tought lute player living near Vienna, Austria. I started with guitar at age of 14, back in the seventies and always felt attracted by renaissance and baroque music, so when i got the chance to buy a second hand 10 course lute made by (Hans Hermann Herb, Erlangen 1979) around 1994, I just had to do it. After some years playing ren. tuning i changed strings and stayed with d-minor from then on. The lute is a bit of a special case, according to viennese luthier Nupi Jenner it is built like a baroque lute (curved fretboard) but lacks some typical attributes. E.g. the pegbox doesn't have the typical decorated jigsawed coverplate at the back side, the neck-body joint is at fret 9, not 10. and it has only 10 courses! ;) Nupi had to open it to repair a crack in the belly, and while doing so he found out that the neck joint is done in a very unusual way. Well after all it has been built before the big early music boom... Well anyway, I'd like to express my gratitude for many hours of interesting reading, links to facsimiles and other sources for music being posted here. As an attempt to give something back to the community (being an open-source guy that's natural thinking for me) I want to let you know that I posted my BL transcription of a guitar solo piece by Manuel Ponce, Tropico, to my scribd page. I spent a couple of months in Mexico City back in Winter 1996/7, living in a musician's household, and brought with me copies of autographs by Ponce, from a book I found there. I hope some of you find this interesting and I'm all ears if anyone has suggestions on improving the transcription. I can also post the cripps lutetab source, and maybe also a - mediocre - recording by myself if someone is interested. Here's the link: http://www.scribd.com/edogawa23/d/81356266-tropico-a4 Eventually some more music will follow, I'll keep you informed. Greetings, Edgar -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: I got another 11-courser
Dear Arto, Congratulation to your new lute and nice sound. Bernhard -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag von wikla Gesendet: Freitag, 28. Oktober 2011 19:01 An: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Betreff: [BAROQUE-LUTE] I got another 11-courser Dear b-lutenists, Today I got a new 11-course baroque lute, model J.C. Hoffmann. The lute is made by young new maker, Lauri Niskanen here in Finland. The instrument was finished just the day before yesterday. So it is really very new! And I have had it only a few hours... My firs try is an anonymous Air in ms. Wittgenstein: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJogB6wxB3U After the piece I also show the instrument. The strings are Mimmo's NNG's and D's. It is always exiting to get a new instrument! All the best, Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pinel?
Dear Arto, There are many more pieces from G Pinel. Please go to my scribd page http://www.scribd.com/doc/49523267/Selected-Pieces-for-Baroque-Lute-Manuscri pt-MS-641-Schwerin-Germany I deposited my hand written copy of the MS 641 from Schwerin (Germany). Some 30 years ago I discovered this manuscript in the Schweriner Dome (now in the Landesbibliothek) and received a 100% photocopy. From this I produced my tabulatur copy. The photocopy is also available from my scribd site. http://www.scribd.com/collections/2879245/Baroque-lute-manuscripts Regards, Bernhard -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag von wikla Gesendet: Donnerstag, 29. September 2011 23:04 An: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Betreff: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Pinel? Well, hi guys and gils, here I am again... ;-) Just made a "tubing" of a piece by Pinel, an Allemande. Pinel seems not to be very brave in his harmonies, but his sense of melody is strong: very touching, at least to me: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYe5SyncCXw http://vimeo.com/29793954 (Vimeo seems to be vanishing?) Btw, is there any more info since the Minkoff edition of ms. Barbe, about Pinel? Even his first name in Minkoff was marked with a question mark: Germain(?) there. [At least RT should understand my "advertising", I guess...;-] Best, Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Esaia Reusner Illustrated in Vienna
Dear lutenists, Esaia Reusner's famous compositions "Neue Lauten-Fruechte" (Berlin, 1676) and "Hundert Geistliche Melodien Evangelischer Lieder" (Berlin, 1676) are widely recognised as brilliant landmarks in baroque lute history. The printed version of "Neue Lauten-Fruechte" contains XIII suites on 30 pages. "Hundert Geistliche Melodien Evangelischer Lieder" is a collection of 100 protestant's songs converted into lute music on 21 printed pages. From both compositions only few originals survived until today. Earlier this year I became curious to take a look into the original prints owned by the Austrian National Library. Both Reusner works were ordered separately from the Department of Music of the Austria National Library. It was a big surprise to receive only one book. However, the one and only book (signature SA.77.C.1. Mus 19) contained both lute works. While "Neue Lauten-Fruechte" was fitted horizontally, "Hundert Geistliche Melodien Evangelischer Lieder" was fitted vertically in one and the same antique leather binding. The spine was decorated with embossed gold ornaments. Obviously, sizes (approx. 30.3 cm wide and 18.6 cm height) and quality of paper sheets for both works were comparable. All tabulature prints were positioned exactly in the center of each paper sheet and there were no signs of artificial cutting from previous binding. Moreover, every second sheet of the two-in-one book contains a copperplate print. In total, the book included 54 original copperplate engravings belonging to six different thematic groups. The first four copperplates show all four times of the day based on paintings by the 17^th century Dutch artist J.V. Velde. Allegoric pictures of all 12 months of the year based on motives by the French baroque artist G. Perrelle follow. Under the title "Regiunculae Amoenissimae" 12 copper engravings with landscape motives by the 17^th Dutch artist Jan van Goyen are presented next. Six illustrations by Perelle entitled "Diverses Paysages" are shown on following pages. Next, 12 "Diverses Veues et Perspectives nouvelles de Rome, Paris et des autres lieux" are presented based on motifs by the French painter and engraver I. Silvestre. Finally, 8 different "Divers Veues et Perspectives des Fontaines et Jardins de Fontaine-bel-eau" are included in the Vienna lute book. My instant thought was that some one person who owned both Reusner books combined them later on into a single book with "Hundert Geistliche Melodien Evangelischer Lieder" in the unusual vertical position. However, when the copperplate prints were inspected it became obvious that they are sequentially numbered and the numbering overlapps between the end of "Neue Lauten-Fruechte" and beginning of "Hundert Geistliche Melodien Evangelischer Lieder". Both paper size and quality of the 54 copperplate prints are comparable to Reusner's tabulature prints and showed similar degree of paper aging. Based on information from other music libraries in Berlin, Leipzig, Kremsmuenster and Brussels it became obvious that each other original was covered by a different envelope or no envelope at all. No other book or collection of loose paper sheets with Reusner's tabulature prints contained copperplate engravings. The foreword by Reusner of "Hundert Geistliche Melodien Evangelischer Lieder" contains following message in German "Dieses Werklein wird sonsten in Berlin in der Rungischen Buchdruckery zu erfragen / und um einen billigen Preiss zu erkauffen seyn. Ubrigens empfehle mich allen Liebhabern zu geneigter Gunstgewogenheit" (English translation "This work could be requested from the Rungische book printing shop in Berlin for a small price. Moreover I recommend that all music lovers be favoured by an inclination to goodwill"). Apparently, this is a commercial advertisement to order and stimulate purchase of Reusner's compositions in printed versions from the printing manufacture Runge in Berlin. The book printing manufacture "Runge" was created in 1610 by Georg Runge under the privilege of prince-elector Georg Wilhelm. The printing manufacture was continued by his son Christoff Runge the younger from 1643 until 1681 under the privilege of prince-elector Friedrich Wilhelm. Both "Neue Lauten-Fruechte" and "Hundert Geistliche Melodien Evangelischer Lieder" were published by Reusner in 1676 and reproduced by the same printing manufacture. During baroque time it was not unusual to illustrate books of different categories with copperplate prints. Apparently, the Runge printing manufacture could offer this type of service too, either by doing the copperplate printing at Runge or by ordering them from a specialised provider. A printed original of lute tabulature must have represented a significant value as any printed
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Rif: Re: Pachelbel B-lute pieces
Dear Peter, I can assure you that your database is of enormous value to all
of us. Bernhard.
-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag
von Peter Steur
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 8. Juni 2011 11:06
An: Baroque Lute
Betreff: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Rif: Re: Pachelbel B-lute pieces
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Hi Friends,
it was indeed me that entered the pieces on Wayne's site, using TAB, among
various other pieces. But soon after I had to stop intabulating for lack of
time.
In the mean time many things have changed, also regarding computers. As a
result you now have at your disposal my Database on http://mss.slweiss.de,
where I have now split the two 'Pachelbel' folios in Nst2353a and Nst2353b,
and added immediately the Incipits as well.
I'm glad the database is of use to you guys
Regards,
Peter
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Da: wayne cripps
Data: 07/06/2011 15.35.45
A: l...@cs.dartmouth.edu
Oggetto: [LUTE] Re: Pachelbel B-lute pieces
I have corrected the bourdons. The piece was entered by Peter Steur
back before computers regularly did midi. I am surprised that Goran
did not remember how to correct the tab version as he has contributed some
pieces to my collection.
Wayne
Begin forwarded message:
> From: "G. Crona"
> Date: June 7, 2011 6:50:18 AM EDT
> To:
> Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pachelbel B-lute pieces
>
> Yes here:
>
> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/tab-serv/tab-serv.cgi?Baroque_lute
>
> with a hopelessly corrupted midi for the diapasons
>
> G.
>
> - Original Message - From: "Roman Turovsky"
> To: "Stuart Walsh" ; "Markus Lutz"
> Cc: "Bernd Haegemann" ; "wikla" ;
;
> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 12:30 PM
> Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pachelbel B-lute pieces
>
>
>> The suite in F#minor is in the Wayne's pages somewhere.
>> RT
>>
>> From: "Markus Lutz"
>> This is the "Paisane" from D-Nst ms 2353a/b
>> 2 Paisane del Sigre Pachelbel (Pachelbel?)
>> C-Dur- D-Nst2353 / 2v
>> Best regards
>> Markus
>>
>> Am 07.06.2011 10:46, schrieb Stuart Walsh:
>>> On 07/06/2011 08:41, Bernd Haegemann wrote:
> I have a vague memory of seeing name Pachelbel mentioned in some
b-lute
> mss; and I have not seen the two mss in Peter's listing - actually I
am
> quite sure I've seen it...
Dear Arto, I have the same impression. I have seen the name Pachelbel
- but I have never seen the two mss in question...
best wishes
Bernd
>>> Me too. I have a dim memory and even even dimmer ancient photocopies.
>>> Here's one which I think has the name Pachelbel but it's hard to read.
>>>
>>> http://www.pluckedturkeys.co.uk/P.jpg
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Stuart
>
> On the other hand I doubt P. himself composed anything directly to
lute
> solo; so I guess the mss's pieces are arrangements themselves. So why
> don't
> you arrange your P. favorites to the b-lute by yourself, Theo? My tiny
> experience suggests that baroque pieces work often quite well on
baroque
> lute. Same feeling, by the way, in renaissance pieces being suitable
> to the
> renaissance lute... Perhaps this is not just a coincidence... :)
>
> Best,
>
> Arto
>
>
> On Mon, 6 Jun 2011 21:32:45 +0200, "Bernd Haegemann"
> wrote:
>> beste Theo,
>>
>>
>>> Are there a few pieces composed by Johann Pachelbel in a baroque
lute
>>> manuscript somewhere
>>
>>
> http://mss.slweiss.de/index
php?lang=deu&id=2&type=mss&st=0&nm=50&title=&key=&msnam=&comp=Pachelbel
>
>>
>>
>> (does my memory serve me correct)? If so, which manuscript, and do
they
>> have any musical
>> interest?
>>
>>
>>
>>> Have they been recorded? thanks, trj
>>
>>
>> I only know of one recording:
>>
>> http://www.amazon.de/Resveur-Anthony-Bailes/dp/B9VGUU
>>
>>
>> groeten
>> Bernd
>>
>>
>>
>> To get on or off this list see list information at
>> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Markus Lutz
>> Schulstraße 11
>>
>> 88422 Bad Buchau
>>
>> Tel 0 75 82 / 92 62 89
>> Fax 0 75 82 / 92 62 90
>> Mail mar...@gmlutz.de
>>
>>
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Hi Friends,
it was indeed me that entered the pieces on Wayne's site, using TAB,
among various other pieces. But soon after I had to stop intabulating for
lack of time.
In the mean time many things have changed
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Recording
Dear Arto and lute friend, Following our discussion / your suggestions earlier this year, on Friday last week I received a Q3 handy recorder. I started it immediately and produced my very first video ever. Sitting in my study room I played an anonymous sarabande from the Vienna lute manuscript Mus.Hs.17706 (A-Wn17706). I experienced difficulties in converting the MOV file into AVI or WMV. So I am uploaded the 2 min MOV file to YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwCG6zMIrvg I look forward to anyone's comment and suggestion. Yours, Bernhard from Vienna -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: wikla [mailto:wi...@cs.helsinki.fi] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 13. Oktober 2010 13:00 An: B. Fischer Cc: Arto Wikla Betreff: Re: AW: AW: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Corrrecting mistakes and mistaking corrections... Wichtigkeit: Niedrig Hi again, I forgot to answer your second question. In the beginning of my page http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/wikla/mus/11_courseLute/ I explain what I know of recording. And that is not much... Of using the YouTube you'll find advice on their pages, lots of info... best regards, Arto On Wed, 13 Oct 2010 10:53:48 +0200, "B. Fischer" wrote: > Dear Arto, > > Thank you for your response. > Your play of the Sarabande La Mignone is very nice. > Please find attached another La Mignonne: Courante by D Gaultier. > > Could you please send me the tabulatur to your Sarabande please. > > I have never recorded my play: Could you please advise me how to do > this. And how to deposition it at YouTube. Would I need specific > equipment? > > Kind regards, > Bernhard > > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: wikla [mailto:wi...@cs.helsinki.fi] > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 13. Oktober 2010 10:07 > An: Bernhard Fischer > Cc: Arto Wikla > Betreff: Re: AW: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Corrrecting mistakes and mistaking > corrections... > Wichtigkeit: Niedrig > > Dear Bernhard, > > thanks for your comments. I already thought nobody is interested. Some > answers below: > >> Thank you very much for your critical review of "La Mignonne" by >> Dufault. (There exist also a "Mignonne" from Gaultier). > > Yes. And a very beautiful one! I made a try on it in last Febrary, see > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-kXRdzDrBs > >> I have made the experience that different writers of tablature >> manuscripts (which survived until today) one and the same piece >> down-wrote within a range of modifications. > > Yes, that is very educating to compare those; for ex nice to see that > some > use the "separee" line between two notes and another writes the notes > separately in smaller note vales. > >> Question to your recoding / general: How do you know that "," (comma) >> eg. after a or c (a, or c,) or similar, is interpreted as a-c-a or > c-e-c >> (respectively) OR as c-a or e-c (respectively)? In case that a or c > are >> dotted notes (3/2 or 3/8), what will be the duration of the "pre-note" >> compared to the main note? > > I think the general interpetation of "," at least in French baroque is a > grace starting from the upper note (sorry, my knowledge of English music > terminology is limited, is that "upper auxiliary"?). > > So "a," woud mean something like c-a, c-a-c-a; or b-a, b-a-b-a, > depenging > on key, of course. > I think also that many think the first note of, let us say, c-a should > be > longer than the main note. > > There are translations preferaces of several 17th century lute books, > mss. > in > * Stefan Lundgren's Baroque lute companion, and > * JLSA XXXVI (2003), George Torres: Performance Practice Technique for > the > Baroque Lute: An Examination of the Introductory Avertissiments from > Seventeenth-Century Sources. > > Very interesting article! > > Best regards, > > Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
