[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Passacaglia
With Sergio Pes - [1]https://youtu.be/aXU-f_Pq-tc With Daniel Estrem - [2]https://youtu.be/IUu1ANBiL90 Amities, RT On 3/24/2020 1:58 PM, Roman Turovsky wrote: [3]http://polyhymnion.org/swv/ostinato/epitaph-passacaglia.mp3 [4]http://polyhymnion.org/swv/ostinato/epitaph-passacaglia.pdf Passacaglia Super Thema Regium Vermiculum, for your perusal and delectation in tempora plagae! Enjoy! RT ===[5]http://turovsky.org Feci quod potui. Faciant meliora potentes. -- References 1. https://youtu.be/aXU-f_Pq-tc?fbclid=IwAR3WoLJ9Kyrm8ZDKSEYgEtreLro4H06wkUih-t0zWIEAv7TjtBeUeQI8EQc 2. https://youtu.be/IUu1ANBiL90?fbclid=IwAR2rLxTdBHqGwvDRbmSrohkPk7QEke96AoaH_CnNIkZR7-i1MKWF_90x9wg 3. http://polyhymnion.org/swv/ostinato/epitaph-passacaglia.mp3 4. http://polyhymnion.org/swv/ostinato/epitaph-passacaglia.pdf 5. http://turovsky.org/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Passacaglia
[1]http://polyhymnion.org/swv/ostinato/epitaph-passacaglia.mp3 [2]http://polyhymnion.org/swv/ostinato/epitaph-passacaglia.pdf Passacaglia Super Thema Regium Vermiculum, for your perusal and delectation in tempora plagae! Enjoy! RT ===[3]http://turovsky.org Feci quod potui. Faciant meliora potentes. -- References 1. http://polyhymnion.org/swv/ostinato/epitaph-passacaglia.mp3 2. http://polyhymnion.org/swv/ostinato/epitaph-passacaglia.pdf 3. http://turovsky.org/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] SLW typesets
Dear collective wisdom, What ever happened to the J.D.Forget's Weiss typesets? RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] De Temporum Fine Postludia II
Dear friends, The entire “De Temporum Fine Postludia II” cd is now available physically on Amazon, electronically on all the services like iTunes, Apple Music etc., as well as on YouTube, for your perusal and delectation! - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nqd-ysxpM2s5UtdzrG8dhHBb1WO8l20YQ It is an immense honor to collaborate with such a world-class musician as Christopher Wilke! Enjoy! Amities, RT http://turovsky.org Feci quod potui. Faciant meliora potentes. Ad magnam gloriam Rutheniae! Moscovia delenda est! To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] De Temporum Fine Postludia II
Dear friends, The "De Temporum Fine Postludia II" CD has just been released electronically! The physical CDs will be available next week! Full track previews! Enjoy- [1]http://store.cdbaby.com/cd/christopherwilke22 RT -- References 1. http://store.cdbaby.com/cd/christopherwilke22?fbclid=IwAR1YppiTng8jY9YMl2ZW-5Wp9jBm_oybktSVmN5d3cGI32Lb0ZxjPGC8vCg To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Roman Turovsky - Tombeau de Walerian Lukasinski - Maciej Konczak (baroque lute) - YouTube
For your perusal and enlightenment/delectation: [1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkgCITuz4pM [2]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walerian_%C5%81ukasi%C5%84ski [3]http://www.polyhymnion.org/tombeau/tombeaux/s/tombeau-lukasinski.pdf Enjoy! Amities, RT -- References 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkgCITuz4pM 2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walerian_ÅukasiÅski?fbclid=IwAR0JOHgi5XQb-rgkPHS_W6yM4WL2SgQrZGuRNmEZjFguvmttivvfder3j3Y 3. http://www.polyhymnion.org/tombeau/tombeaux/s/tombeau-lukasinski.pdf?fbclid=IwAR0Wr4lG7OUmWgCtFulSguAOiVFlKbDwKzpP2IJ5V5x63_5PXiJSbtDZPSc To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] [Baroque Lute]: De Temporum Fine - Volume 2
Dear friends, Chris Wilke, Slavko Halatyn and I would like to let you know that the Volume 2 of the De Temporum Fine Postludia is in production! [1]https://youtu.be/SJAtEUnckps Your support is heartily appreciated: [2]https://www.gofundme.com/de-temporum-fine-volume-2 RT -- References 1. https://youtu.be/SJAtEUnckps 2. https://www.gofundme.com/de-temporum-fine-volume-2 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Liten Hilda
For your 13course perusal and delectation, Liten Hilda, a Swedish ballad with 3 doubles - [1]http://polyhymnion.org/swv/music/scand/hilda-baroque.mp3 [2]http://polyhymnion.org/swv/music/scand/hilda-baroque.pdf Enjoy! Amities, RT -- References 1. http://polyhymnion.org/swv/music/scand/hilda-baroque.mp3 2. http://polyhymnion.org/swv/music/scand/hilda-baroque.pdf To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Ballo Ungherese "Czeretöm a tánzba"
Better URLS!... "Szeretöm a tánzba" for Baroque Lute, in 6/8+2, not for faint-hearted! http://torban.org/szeretom/szeretom-baroque.mp3 http://torban.org/szeretom/szeretom-baroque.pdf Enjoy! Amities, RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Ballo Ungherese "Czeretöm a tánzba"
"Czeretöm a tánzba" for Baroque Lute, in 6/8+2, not for faint-hearted! http://torbanorg/czeretom/czeretom-baroque.mp3 http://torbanorg/czeretom/czeretom-baroque.pdf Enjoy! Amities, RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Music and War
an experiment with cognitive dissonance inherent in our angst-ridden times - [1]https://youtu.be/Bz2IbHPk7ok Cinematography by [2]ÐÐ¾Ð»Ð¾Ð´Ð¸Ð¼Ð¸Ñ Ð¥Ð°ÑÑенко, performed by [3]Stuart Walsh on an original 19th century 7string guitar, music by yours truly, originally for 13course lute: [4]http://torban.org/images/250rondo.pdf Filmed at the front, in Eastern Ukraine in 2016. Enjoy! Amities, RT -- References 1. https://youtu.be/Bz2IbHPk7ok 2. https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id0002999263809 3. https://www.facebook.com/stuart.walsh.5 4. http://torban.org/images/250rondo.pdf To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] DE TEMPORUM FINE Playlist - Kairos 3 november 2016 23.00 / 11 PM CET
[1]http://www.concertzender.nl/programma/kairos_357055/ Dear friends, 2 selections from Christopher Wilke's and mine CD will be on the Dutch radio Concertzender this coming Wednesday, between 23.00 and midnight in Europe, and 5 and 6pm EST in the US. There will be a simultaneous webcast at the link above. Met vriendelijke groet / kind regards, RT Playlist Kairos 3 november 2016 23.00 / 11 PM CET. [2]www.concertzender.nl 00:13Roman Turovsky. Revenge. Christopher Wilke, barokluit. Album âDe Temporum Fine Postludia'. Polyhymnion CD 001. 05:58Larus Sigurdsson. Helmut holds calmness in chaos. Album âWe Are Told That We Shine. Volkoren 65. 09:47Margriet Ehlen. Firefly, My Little Sister voor fluitsolo. Helen Hendriks, dwarsfluit. Album âKus!'.Stichting Limburgse Componisten. 14:50Emilie Levienaise-Farrouch. Strelka. Album âLike Water Through The Sand'. FactCat Records CD13-20P (130701). 17:27Anton Stepanovitsj Arensky. Variaties op een thema van Tsjaikovsky (fragment). Atheneum Kamerorkest; Qui van Woerdekom, dirigent. Album âAtheneum Kamerorkest 3'.Siemens / KRO KK-CD 9308. 18:46Ben Lukas Boysen. The Veil. Album âSpells'. Erased tapes Records ERATP085CD. 25:13Lubomyr Melnyk. Ripples In A Water Scene. Album âRivers and Streams'. Erased Tapes Records ERATP077CD. 31:24Klaus Heizmann (comp.), Johannes Jourdan (orig. text). Vor Deinem Kreuz. Moskauer Männerchor âOrthodoxe Sänger'. Album âBässe des Heiligen Russland'. Duo-Phon Records 03283 / TCL. 36:23Roman Turovsky. Infidelity. Christopher Wilke, barokluit. Album âDe Temporum Fine Postludia'. Polyhymnion CD 001. 40:08Alexander Scriabin. Andante uit Sonata No. 2 in G sharp minor op. 19 (Sonata Fantaisie). HÃ¥kon Austbo, piano. Brilliant Classics 6137-2. 46:59Orcas (Benoît Pioulard / Rafael Anton Irisarri). Until Then. Album âOrcas'. Morr Music morr 111-cd. 51:06Nick Cave. Distant Sky. Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds. Album: Skeleton Tree. Bad Seed Ltd. BS009CD. 56:23Edward Elgar. Adagio uit Elegie voor Strijkorkest op. 58. Atheneum Kamerorkest; Qui van Woerdekom, dirigent. Album âAtheneum Kamerorkest 3'.Siemens / KRO KK-CD 9308. -- References 1. http://www.concertzender.nl/programma/kairos_357055/ 2. http://www.concertzender.nl/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] De Temporum Fine CD
Dear lute-friends, The De Temporum Fine CD is now available on Amazon, where you can purchase individual tracks as well - https://www.amazon.com/Temporum-Fine-Postludia-Christopher-Wilke/dp/B01LXA6CMF/ Enjoy! RT -- References 1. https://www.amazon.com/Temporum-Fine-Postludia-Christopher-Wilke/dp/B01LXA6CMF/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] CD - Te Temporum Fine Postludia
Dear friends, Chris Wilke's excellent CD, and Polyhymnion's debute CD release is now available on Amazon - either as download of individual tracks - https://www.amazon.com/Temporum-Fine-Postludia-Christopher-Wilke/dp/B01LXA6CMF/ or physical CD - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01LX9M9X6 Enjoy! Amities, RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] CD
Dear friends, I am very happy to announce that Christopher Wilke has recorded a CD of my compositions for Baroque lute on Ukrainian themes, titled DE TEMPORUM FINE POSTLUDIA. It was an honor and a pleasure to work with a musician of such unparalleled musicality and depth as Chris. The CD was recorded back in early May, and mastered, in New York by Jaroslaw "Slau" Halatyn. It also has an introductory article by Tim Crawford! It is available now on CDbaby, and the physical CD will be available on September 20th! http://turovsky.org/CD/ Heartfelt thanks to all our supporters and subscribers, your CD is in the mail (and this includes all participants in my radioprojects)! RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: a VERY old tune.....
and a not-quite-so-ancient one http://torban.org/images/prydolyni/prydolyni-baroque.mp3 http://torban.org/images/prydolyni/prydolyni-baroque.pdf RT On 7/31/2016 6:59 AM, Roman Turovsky wrote: [1]http://torban.org/images/kupala/kupala.mp3 [2]http://torban.org/images/kupala/kupala.pdf - A minimalist setting of a rather ancient Ukrainian summer solstice folk song, dating from pre-Christian times, written as a confidence-building exercise for a student of mine. Enjoy! Amities, RT -- References 1. http://torban.org/images/kupala/kupala.mp3 2. http://torban.org/images/kupala/kupala.pdf To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: a VERY old tune.....
[1]http://torban.org/images/kupala/kupala.mp3 [2]http://torban.org/images/kupala/kupala.pdf - A minimalist setting of a rather encient Ukrainian summer solstice folk song, dating from pre-Christian times, written as a confidence-building exercise for a student of mine. Enjoy! Amities, RT -- References 1. http://torban.org/images/kupala/kupala.mp3 2. http://torban.org/images/kupala/kupala.pdf To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] The Ukrainian Lute CD crowdfunding campaign
Dear friends, Chris Wilke, Slavko Halatyn and I are producing a CD of my Ukrainian-themed baroque-lute works. Chris Wilke is a world-class lute player, and Slavko Halatyn is a 1st-rate recording engineer. The taping is now done, and we are editing. We have started a crowdfunding campaign: [1]http://gofundme.com/2ves3bsk Heartfelt thanks for your support of our project! RT -- References 1. http://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fgofundme.com%2F2ves3bsk&h=IAQErZAO5 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: resting rt hand pinky
Rubio stopped making lutes before my time. RT On 3/14/2016 6:36 PM, howard posner wrote: On Mar 14, 2016, at 2:41 PM, Roman Turovsky wrote: Mine is too short, so I don't, ever. And we know what Marco Rubio says about guys with short pinkies. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: resting rt hand pinky
Mine is too short, so I don't, ever. It is not critical, as long as it is relaxed. Curled pinky is an anatomical hazard. RT On 3/14/2016 5:28 PM, Richard Brook wrote: Any thoughts on whether it’s OK not to rest rt. hand pinky on Baroque lute soundboard. It’s always been a strain for me, and I don’t think everyone does it. I have a 13 course instrument. Related question. What about putting a little block in front of the pinky side of the bridge to rest pinky on, or alternatively some kind of thimble to lengthen pinky without messing up soundboard. May have to be invented. Thanks Dick Brook To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] The Scandinavian & Finnish Lute Project
5 more polskan and 3 fabulous videos by Trond Bengtson at http://polyhymnion.org/swv/carolin.html for your perusal and delectation! Enjoy! Amities, RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: For Sale: 14C THEORBO/BAROQUE LUTE BY IVO MAGHERINI (2015)
What's the bridge width? RT On 1/3/2016 10:21 AM, BENJAMIN NARVEY wrote: Dear Lutenists, A very happy new year! In case this may be of interest, do contact me in a private message. All best wishes, Benjamin 14C THEORBO/BAROQUE LUTE BY IVO MAGHERINI (2015), sold with PVC ultra-lightweight Vorko Case. 76cm/120cm. Can be set up with single or double strings. Fantastic instrument that can be tuned as a theorbo in A or as a "thA(c)orbe de piA"ces" in D. It can also be set up as a big swan-neck baroque lute like the later German monster lutes. I purchased it for certain projects in 2015, but no longer have need of the instrument. Asking price is aNOT6500. Instrument can be seen in Paris. Photos here: [1]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute/forsale.html -- [2]www.luthiste.com t +33 (0) 6 71 79 98 98 -- [3]www.luthiste.com t +33 (0) 6 71 79 98 98 -- References 1. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute/forsale.html 2. http://www.luthiste.com/ 3. http://www.luthiste.com/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: W.Lawes
Simple arrangements in d and g of W.Lawes' great song LOVE, I OBEY, SHOOT HOME THY DART for those who may have heard it sung by the incomparable Rosemary Standley, and were smitten like I was: http://polyhymnion.org/lieder/inglis.html Enjoy! Amities, RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Une Ariette Finlandaise avec Trois Doubles
http://polyhymnion.org/swv/music/voijos/voijos.mp3 http://polyhymnion.org/swv/music/voijos/voijos.pdf Enjoy! Amities, RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Tombeau Sur La Mort De Mon Maitre (Pour Patrick O'Brien) - YouTube
an arioso, in memoriam Pat O'Brien - http://polyhymnion.org/tombeau/tombeaux/s/tombeau-ob.mp3 http://polyhymnion.org/tombeau/tombeaux/s/tombeau-ob.pdf Amities, RT https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xqGNJc33p0 - performed by Daniel Shoskes To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Kosakentanz
NEW: "Kosakentanz" for baroque lute - http://torban.org/images/kosak/kozachok.mp3 http://torban.org/images/kosak/kozachok.pdf Enjoy! Amities, RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Tombeaux y lamenti
here's a translation of the last 4 paragraphs: "Giazotto--contrived by the author to seem to be by Albinoni--or perhaps to resemble the hackneyed and fascinating Adagio for Strings of Samuel Barber. Its compelling presence suggests one or the other, or perhaps still another composer of those obligatory works that get brought into play on ceremonial occasions of institutional mourning. In accord with what happened with the celebrated piece of Giazotto, the clearly improbable provenance of which was deliberately hidden, we recall the original case of the north American composer of Ukrainian origin, Roman Turovsky-Savchuk. It is he who, in implicit disguise, is behind a long list of tombeaux written in baroque style with the highly baroque pseudonyms of an imaginary family of Bohemian lute players, the Sautscheks (Johann Geog, Johann Melchior, Johann Peter...) The works are disseminated on the internet, where they receive a passionate response for, among other things, their unquestionable musical quality. The body of work of this suggestive historical game includes a good number of pieces of fiction cleverly similar in their style. They are dedicated by the Sautscheks to deceased members of their own family, to central European composers of the first rank (CPE Bach, JCF Bach, Locatelli, Tuma, Kraus, Wagenseil, Zelenka and--a nice touch--several to Froberger) as well as to other relevant personalities of the cultured world of the eighteenth century (Goldoni, Lessing, Klopstock). But now Turovsky-Savchuk adds two more tombeaux, this time conceived for the viola and dedicated to Telemann and Forqueray. Let us finish by returning to all the strings. To the cry of agony of the works of Penderecki, to the stream of tears of Barber, played on the baroque lute of Turovsky-Savchuk or, as well, on the arabic lute of Sanchez Verdu. They are equal if they are anything. They grasp at life as its sounds evaporate.They grasp at the sound that dies, never to be reborn. One perceives the mythic lyre of Orpheus grieving for Euridice. And also the Seikilos epitaph, calling to Euterpe from the living world. But above all, one remembers the weeping strings of the guitar to which Lorca alludes, the tears which Estrella Morente evokes, wailing ceaselessly before the tomb of his artist father. Pablo de Pozo" On 10/5/2014 3:49 PM, Mathias Roesel wrote: si, pero por desgracia en Espanol Mathias -Original Message- From: [1]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [[2]mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of [3]r.turov...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2014 5:30 AM To: BAROQUE-LUTE Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Tombeaux y lamenti A very interesting article on tombeau (and lute), by Pablo del Pozo: [4]http://www.sineris.es/tombeaux2.html Enjoy, RT To get on or off this list see list information at [5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute- admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 2. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 3. mailto:r.turov...@gmail.com 4. http://www.sineris.es/tombeaux2.html 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Tombeaux y lamenti
Dear Laurene, please accept my most heartfelt condolences! Your father was my very first virtual friend, and our friendship was the first ever to be devirtualized into a real one. I will miss him greatly! Best regards, RT On 10/7/2014 4:22 AM, jean-françois Christoflour wrote: Hello everyone, This is Laurene, Jean-François’s daughter. I just wanted to tell you that my father past away in September. I know he really liked to read your mails and was still very interested in Baroque Lute, despite the disease. He also gathered a very high work about Lute music, and if some of you are interested in some part of this music, please tell me. Me and my mum really want his work and music to keep living. My e-mail address is laurenechristofl...@hotmail.fr Best regards, Laurène Christoflour To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Swan Neck Baroque Lute for sale
I distinctly remember the sense of liberation experiences by Guy Marchand in 1987 upon gaining a centimeter of bridge spacing on his 13c! RT On 6/24/2014 10:14 PM, r.turov...@gmail.com wrote: I think people who play with nails can get some mileage out of narrow spacing, but flesh players need to be in the 155mm vicinity. RT On 6/24/2014 7:51 PM, sterling price wrote: I think it depends on what your'e used to. My first 13 course had 157mm and that is what I learned on, and I try to only play lutes with that spacing. Once I had a lute for 6 months that was much smaller (say around 145 cm) and I couldn't stand it. I could never hit the correct bass notes. I know Barto uses 155cm. I tend to favor lutes of the Edlinger school which tend to be bigger I think than Hoffman and Schelle lutes. I also prefer lutes with a longer string length like over 76 cm. I would love to try one of the 80cm 13 course lutes. Sterling On Tuesday, June 24, 2014 4:53 PM, Anton Birula wrote: I am really surprised Having played londer than 23 years, I never had an instrument wider than 147 which I play. Everyone who played my lutes would say that it is a bit widish Also as far as I know, Hoppy Smith, Nigel North, Konrad Junghanel, Toyohiko Satoh, Jacob Lindberg and many others have lutes narrower than 147. It is really remarkable to hear that people have such wide spacing around. What about late Weiss Suites from Dresden manuscript Nr 23,24, 25, 30? How do these work on that spacings? Best wishes, AB On Tue, 6/24/14, Matthew Daillie <[1]dail...@club-internet.fr> wrote: Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Swan Neck Baroque Lute for sale To: "Christopher Wilke" <[2]chriswi...@cs.dartmouth.edu> Cc: "John Lenti" <[3]johnle...@hotmail.com>, "[4]r.turov...@gmail.com" <[5]r.turov...@gmail.com>, "sterling price" <[6]spiffys84...@yahoo.com>, "[7]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu" <[8]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Date: Tuesday, June 24, 2014, 9:07 PM The difficulty comes from having to drill a new hole very close to an old one. Even if the latter is well plugged, the drill bit often finds its way back into the original hole. It is also tricky to make sure the bit comes out the other side exactly where you want it to (after all, we are talking about fractions of millimetres). Anyway, ask any reputable maker, it's not a job they enjoy doing (and I have had it done on a couple of my lutes). Some makers prefer to make a new bridge which can be glued on to the soundboard without it being removed, but others would only consider fitting a new bridge with the top off. best Matthew On 24 juin 2014, at 18:26, Christopher Wilke <[9]chriswi...@cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote: > Nothing difficult about it at all. I've drilled a few holes myself on lutes and a baroque guitar and I have zero wood working skills. I used a little tiny hobby drill that I bought from Michael's hobby supply. It's basically just a short aluminum handle like an Exacto knife with a little drill bit set into it. You just physically rotate it back and forth by hand. It's so small, you can get it close and parallel with the soundboard. If you're not an experienced bridge-hole-driller, the real advantage is that you have plenty of time to recognize and correct your aim as you go. > > Chris > > Dr. Christopher Wilke D.M.A. > Lutenist, Guitarist and Composer > www.christopherwilke.com > > > On Tue, 6/24/14, Matthew Daillie <[10]dail...@club-internet.fr> wrote: To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Swan Neck Baroque Lute for sale
No problem for Bob Barto apparently. RT On 6/24/2014 6:48 PM, Anton Birula wrote: I am really surprised Having played londer than 23 years, I never had an instrument wider than 147 which I play. Everyone who played my lutes would say that it is a bit widish Also as far as I know, Hoppy Smith, Nigel North, Konrad Junghanel, Toyohiko Satoh, Jacob Lindberg and many others have lutes narrower than 147. It is really remarkable to hear that people have such wide spacing around. What about late Weiss Suites from Dresden manuscript Nr 23,24, 25, 30? How do these work on that spacings? Best wishes, AB On Tue, 6/24/14, Matthew Daillie wrote: Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Swan Neck Baroque Lute for sale To: "Christopher Wilke" Cc: "John Lenti" , "r.turov...@gmail.com" , "sterling price" , "baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu" Date: Tuesday, June 24, 2014, 9:07 PM The difficulty comes from having to drill a new hole very close to an old one. Even if the latter is well plugged, the drill bit often finds its way back into the original hole. It is also tricky to make sure the bit comes out the other side exactly where you want it to (after all, we are talking about fractions of millimetres). Anyway, ask any reputable maker, it's not a job they enjoy doing (and I have had it done on a couple of my lutes). Some makers prefer to make a new bridge which can be glued on to the soundboard without it being removed, but others would only consider fitting a new bridge with the top off. best Matthew On 24 juin 2014, at 18:26, Christopher Wilke wrote: > Nothing difficult about it at all. I've drilled a few holes myself on lutes and a baroque guitar and I have zero wood working skills. I used a little tiny hobby drill that I bought from Michael's hobby supply. It's basically just a short aluminum handle like an Exacto knife with a little drill bit set into it. You just physically rotate it back and forth by hand. It's so small, you can get it close and parallel with the soundboard. If you're not an experienced bridge-hole-driller, the real advantage is that you have plenty of time to recognize and correct your aim as you go. > > Chris > > Dr. Christopher Wilke D.M.A. > Lutenist, Guitarist and Composer > www.christopherwilke.com > > > On Tue, 6/24/14, Matthew Daillie wrote: > > Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Swan Neck Baroque Lute for sale > To: "John Lenti" > Cc: "r.turov...@gmail.com" , "sterling price" , "baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu" > Date: Tuesday, June 24, 2014, 10:42 AM > > It is feasible to redrill the bridge > holes but it's a job even (especially?) the best lute makers > hate doing (the original holes are obviously done before the > bridge is glued on). > > Best > Matthew > > > On 24 juin 2014, at 16:05, John Lenti > wrote: > >> Whatever else happens, it's not a huge big deal to have > the bridge re-drilled, or to get a new nut. If bridge or nut > spacing is the one thing you don't like about an instrument, > fix it. I had John Rollins re-drill my baroque lute bridge > and have never been happier. Some of the original holes are > part of the new spacing, he plugged the others. I've seen > other lutes the bridges of which look like Swiss cheese, > which also seems not to have any deleterious effects. >> >> Sent from my Ouija board >> >>> On Jun 23, 2014, at 3:39 PM, "r.turov...@gmail.com" > > wrote: >>> >>> My hands are small, but I found 154mm to be the > absolute minimum I could deal with. >>> RT >>> >>> To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Swan Neck Baroque Lute for sale
Caveat emptor. My understanding is that this lute has bridge spacing of 146mm, which renders it pretty much unplayable. RT On 6/21/2014 3:20 AM, Anton Birula wrote: Swan neck baroque lute by Anatoli Gundilowicz string length 69/95 nice action warm tone works well with all sorts of stringing, good for works by Weiss and Bach as well as for French repertoire. The Body is nice to hold not too deep. Pictures can be seen here (9 photos) https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=789657364401930&id=193101590724180 For More information please contact Anna Kowalska : image31...@yahoo.com i...@luteduo.com +48663354744 www.luteduo.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Une Ariette d'Oucraine....
A very famous Ukrainian folk romance from the Biedermeier era, arranged as an "Arietta avec troix doubles" pour luth baroque: http://torban.org/sounds/ojuvyshnevomusadu.mp3 http://torban.org/images/ojuvyshnevomusadu.pdf there is a truly cheesy (but equally enjoyable) pop performance of it at http://youtu.be/ZI-cetBDtQ4 Enjoy! Amities. RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] The Scandinavian & Finnish Lute Project
Dear friends, I've added 8 more Swedish polonaises to [1]http://polyhymnion.org/swv/carolin.html Enjoy! Amities, RT __._,_.___ __,_._,___ -- References 1. http://polyhymnion.org/swv/carolin.html To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: NIIN KAUAN
I added an extra double with a good measure of bass notes, for those not faint-hearted: [1]http://polyhymnion.org/swv/music/finn/niin2.pdf RT On 4/11/2014 3:49 PM, William Samson wrote: Great! That bass-line is indeed very Balcarres-ish; an awful lot of bass notes . . . Bill From: Arto Wikla [2] To: BAROQUE-LUTE [3] Sent: Friday, 11 April 2014, 17:15 Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: NIIN KAUAN Nice version Roman! Here is my "original" version made in in the style of the ms. Balcarres' pieces that do not use the in those days modern "functional harmonies" but some kind of "post pentatonic" style. [1][4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8f_S67dEGI&feature=youtu.be [2][5]http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/wikla/mus/NiinKauanMinaTramppaan.JPG The text is quite "macho". 1st verse says something like this (in dialect): "Iwalk the paths of this village as long as the soles of my shoes last. I make love to anyone I wish, and the hags cannot stop that. " The second verse says something like this: How good a horse I have, and how beautiful cart I have. And I guide it by myself. And when you love a person, who is peer to you, you need not be too elegant. All the best, Arto On 11/04/14 17:26, Roman Turovsky wrote: > > NEW: The 1st tune of 2014! > An Ostrobothnian (Finland) folk song with 2 doubles (11course): > [3][6]http://polyhymnion.org/swv/music/finn/niin.mp3 > [4][7]http://polyhymnion.org/swv/music/finn/niin.pdf > Thanks to Arto Wikla for the tune! > Enjoy! > Amities, > RT > > > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > [5][8]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. [9]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8f_S67dEGI&feature=youtu.be 2. [10]http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/wikla/mus/NiinKauanMinaTramppaan.JPG 3. [11]http://polyhymnion.org/swv/music/finn/niin.mp3 4. [12]http://polyhymnion.org/swv/music/finn/niin.pdf 5. [13]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://polyhymnion.org/swv/music/finn/niin.pdf 2. mailto:wi...@cs.dartmouth.edu 3. mailto:baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 4. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8f_S67dEGI&feature=youtu.be 5. http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/wikla/mus/NiinKauanMinaTramppaan.JPG 6. http://polyhymnion.org/swv/music/finn/niin.mp3 7. http://polyhymnion.org/swv/music/finn/niin.pdf 8. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 9. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8f_S67dEGI&feature=youtu.be 10. http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/wikla/mus/NiinKauanMinaTramppaan.JPG 11. http://polyhymnion.org/swv/music/finn/niin.mp3 12. http://polyhymnion.org/swv/music/finn/niin.pdf 13. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] NIIN KAUAN
NEW: The 1st tune of 2014! An Ostrobothnian (Finland) folk song with 2 doubles (11course): http://polyhymnion.org/swv/music/finn/niin.mp3 http://polyhymnion.org/swv/music/finn/niin.pdf Thanks to Arto Wikla for the tune! Enjoy! Amities, RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] NIIN KAUAN
NEW: The 1st tune of 2014! An Ostrobothnian (Finland) folk song with 2 doubles (11course): http://polyhymnion.org/swv/music/finn/niin.mp3 http://polyhymnion.org/swv/music/finn/niin.pdf Thanks to Arto Wikla for the tune! Enjoy! Amities, RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Holiday Greetings
HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL! BONNE ANNEE A TOUS! RT http://torban.org/images/ecard.jpg To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: A minimalist Ukrainian song....
http://torban.org/audio/439baroque.mp3 http://torban.org/images/439baroque.pdf Enjoy. Amities, RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] A minimalist Ukrainian song....
http://torban.org/audio/439baroque.mp3 http://torban.org/images/439baroque.pdf Enjoy. Amities, RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: MARGIT HJUXE
On 11/17/2013 11:14 PM, Roman Turovsky wrote: "MARGIT HJUXE" Une Ariette de Norvègeavec cinq doubles - http://polyhymnion.org/swv/music/margit/margit.mp3 http://polyhymnion.org/swv/music/margit/margit.pdf Enjoy. Amities, RT https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9Q4qZ7gWtc with Trond Bengtson! RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] MARGIT HJUXE
"MARGIT HJUXE" Une Ariette de Norvègeavec cinq doubles - http://polyhymnion.org/swv/music/margit/margit.mp3 http://polyhymnion.org/swv/music/margit/margit.pdf Enjoy. Amities, RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Polskan 44 & 45
http://polyhymnion.org/swv/music/polska/polska45.mp3 http://polyhymnion.org/swv/music/polska/polska45.pdf http://polyhymnion.org/swv/music/polska/polska44.mp3 http://polyhymnion.org/swv/music/polska/polska44.pdf Enjoy. Amities, RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Edlinger Lutes
I'm flabbergasted anyone likes any other. RT On 10/18/2013 3:42 PM, Bernd Haegemann wrote: So, the discussion is closed ;-)) Am 18.10.2013 21:26, schrieb Roman Turovsky: Edlinger is my favorite model. RT On 10/18/2013 3:03 PM, BENJAMIN NARVEY wrote: Dear All, I am getting a small theorbo made after Edlinger, but my lute maker feels the model is excessively thin; she is worried about sound/projection. I should think the sound may be less complex than deeper lutes, but perhaps I will have more projection since less sound will get trapped in the belly. Does anyone have experience with Edlinger-type models? I would like to stay as close to the original body as possible and see what happens, but the maker has never made anything so shallow before and is getting slightly cold feet about it. Any and all thoughts would be much appreciated! In any event, it should be a dream to hold! Bonne musique, Benjamin -- [1]www.luthiste.com t +33 (0) 1 44 27 03 44 p/m +33 (0) 6 71 79 98 98 -- References 1. http://www.luthiste.com/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Edlinger Lutes
Edlinger is my favorite model. RT On 10/18/2013 3:03 PM, BENJAMIN NARVEY wrote: Dear All, I am getting a small theorbo made after Edlinger, but my lute maker feels the model is excessively thin; she is worried about sound/projection. I should think the sound may be less complex than deeper lutes, but perhaps I will have more projection since less sound will get trapped in the belly. Does anyone have experience with Edlinger-type models? I would like to stay as close to the original body as possible and see what happens, but the maker has never made anything so shallow before and is getting slightly cold feet about it. Any and all thoughts would be much appreciated! In any event, it should be a dream to hold! Bonne musique, Benjamin -- [1]www.luthiste.com t +33 (0) 1 44 27 03 44 p/m +33 (0) 6 71 79 98 98 -- References 1. http://www.luthiste.com/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] LITI KJERSTI
http://polyhymnion.org/swv/music/liti/liti1.mp3 http://polyhymnion.org/swv/music/liti/liti1.pdf variations on a Norwegian folksong... Enjoy! Amities, RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] une Air Finlandaise avec troix doubles
http://polyhymnion.org/swv/music/finn/kuu.mp3 http://polyhymnion.org/swv/music/finn/kuu.pdf Enjoy. Amities, RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: SWV: an Aria in a
Well done! Kiitos, Arto! RT On 8/17/2013 2:08 PM, Arto Wikla wrote: Beautiful piece Roman, thanks! I tried to play a version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mD62MYEeac&feature=youtu.be I hope I did not spoil your intentions on that piece! It actually sounds like a song. Is it? You call it Aria on your post, but the piece itself says only Sarabande and Largo. Arto On 17/08/13 18:49, Roman Turovsky wrote: http://polyhymnion.org/swv/music/chas/chas2b.mp3 http://polyhymnion.org/swv/music/chas/chas2b.pdf Enjoy. Amities, RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] SWV: an Aria in a
http://polyhymnion.org/swv/music/chas/chas2b.mp3 http://polyhymnion.org/swv/music/chas/chas2b.pdf Enjoy. Amities, RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] kolomyjka
http://torban.org/sounds/kolomyjka.mp3 http://torban.org/images/kolomyjka.pdf - still warm... A sprightly tune from the Carpathian mountains, with 2 doubles. Enjoy. Amities, RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] a concert opportunity in Seattle
a competent lutenist is needed for a concert in Seattle area in July. Reply to me privately, if interested. RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Uman....
http://torban.org/audio/rt/gonta-004r.mp3 The Ballad of the Uman Massacre, 1768. RT On 11/11/2012 11:28 AM, Roman Turovsky wrote: an eagle tells a young widow not to weep, because he knows her husband well: they lunch, dine and sup together, he walks on her husband's curls and drinks his eyes. [1]http://torban.org/audio/rt/ojnepugJCK.mp3 played and sung by yours truly, warts and all. RT -- References 1. http://www.facebook.com/l/CAQFJB-pnAQE3WndpOs10ahNN8ha5mr_u9_dRjaR8Dpp2PQ/torban.org/audio/rt/ojnepugJCK.mp3 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Oj Ne Pughaj....
an eagle tells a young widow not to weep, because he knows her husband well: they lunch, dine and sup together, he walks on her husband's curls and drinks his eyes. [1]http://torban.org/audio/rt/ojnepugJCK.mp3 played and sung by yours truly, warts and all. RT -- References 1. http://www.facebook.com/l/CAQFJB-pnAQE3WndpOs10ahNN8ha5mr_u9_dRjaR8Dpp2PQ/torban.org/audio/rt/ojnepugJCK.mp3 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: sur la mort de Orlyk
I have posted this before, but today is his birthday, so it is worth a repost - Tombeau sur la Mort de mr. Philippe Orlyk - http://polyhymnion.org/tombeau/tombeaux/s/lacrimosa.mp3 http://polyhymnion.org/tombeau/tombeaux/s/lacrimosa.pdf the man - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pylyp_Orlyk the deed - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Pylyp_Orlyk His son Gregoire Orlyk studied lute in Uppsala, Sweden. He eventually had a successful military career in France: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gr%C3%A9goire_Orlyk Amitie's, RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: sur la mort de Orlyk
I have posted this before, but today is his birthday - Tombeau sur la Mort de mr. Philippe Orlyk - http://polyhymnion.org/tombeau/tombeaux/s/lacrimosa.mp3 http://polyhymnion.org/tombeau/tombeaux/s/lacrimosa.pdf the man - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pylyp_Orlyk the deed - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Pylyp_Orlyk His son Gregoire Orlyk studied lute in Uppsala, Sweden. He eventually had a successful military career in France: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gr%C3%A9goire_Orlyk RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] sur la mort de Mazepa
http://polyhymnion.org/tombeau/tombeaux/s/arioso-funebre.mp3 Le Tombeau sur la mort de mr. Ivan Mazepa http://polyhymnion.org/tombeau/tombeaux/s/arioso-funebre.pdf Amities, RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Weyrauch
From Michele Barchi, a contemporary Italian composer-harpsichordist. RT On 9/25/2012 12:11 PM, Bernd Haegemann wrote: Am 29.09.2008 14:35, schrieb Stephan Olbertz: Does anyone know what this exactly is? http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=u0dHmUORzEk I didn't know that we have a composition by Johann Christian Weyrauch. Meyer doesn't list anything. Hm... I'm just reading in an article by Alfred Dürr the following quotation from a letter by Louise Adelgunde Victorie Kulmus to her later husband J. G. Gottsched [30.5.1732]: Die überschickten Stücke zum Clavier von Bach, und von Weyrauch zur Laute, sind eben so schwer wie sie schön sind. Wenn ich sie zehnmal gespielt habe, scheine ich mir immer noch eine Anfängerin darinnen. Von diesen beyden grossen Meistern gefällt mir alles besser als ihre Capricen; diese sind unergründlich schwer. [The pieces you sent me - by Bach for the harpsichord and by Weyrauch for the lute - are as beautiful as they are difficult. When I have played them ten times I still feel like a beginner. Of these to great masters I like anything better than their Caprices which are unfathomably difficult.] If she calls Weyrauch a "great master" she must have seen quite some good stuff by him, because the lady was a critic. Dürr supposes that the mentioned Clavierstücke by Bach are the "1. Teil der Clavierübung". Did Luca Pianca answer in the meantime (4 years ;-) where he took the "Preludio" from? Best regards Bernd To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Dialogues with Time
Last year I was asked to write an article about Ukrainian Lute Music by the NYFolklore Society magazine VOICES. The article finally came out: http://www.nyfolklore.org/pubs/voic37-3-4/dialogues.html for your perusal and delectation RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] iPhone Baroque
A historical song from ca. 1750-70: The Ballad of Sava Chaly - http://torban.org/audio/rt/sava3.mp3 (Father orders killing of his turncoat son, a likely prototype of Gogol's Taras Bulba story...) RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] gigue C-dur
http://polyhymnion.org/swv/music/la-arndt.mp3 http://polyhymnion.org/swv/music/la-arndt.pdf Enjoy, RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: polska 41
POLONAISE in Swedish. RT On 6/15/2012 11:58 AM, Jerzy Zak wrote: What is that title meaning, Romcio? JŻ --- On 2012-06-14, at 06:17, Roman Turovsky wrote: "Trond Bengtson Polska" - http://www.polyhymnion.org/swv/music/polska/polska41.mp3 http://www.polyhymnion.org/swv/music/polska/polska41.pdf Enjoy. Amitiès, RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Tempo di giga
Tempo di Giga - http://polyhymnion.org/swv/music/giga2d/giga2d.mp3 http://polyhymnion.org/swv/music/giga2d/giga2d.pdf Enjoy,' RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] polska 41
"Trond Bengtson Polska" - http://www.polyhymnion.org/swv/music/polska/polska41.mp3 http://www.polyhymnion.org/swv/music/polska/polska41.pdf Enjoy. Amitiès, RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] menuets
http://www.polyhymnion.org/swv/music/menu/menuetG2.mp3 http://www.polyhymnion.org/swv/music/menu/menuetG2.pdf http://www.polyhymnion.org/swv/music/menu/menuetA2.mp3 http://www.polyhymnion.org/swv/music/menu/menuetA2.pdf Enjoy, RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau
To commemorate the passing of Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIIS-UgixGE) last Friday I've revised my 10year-old arrangement of http://www.polyhymnion.org/lieder/images/leiermann.pdf RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Minkoff contact
Minkoff's images cannot claim to be cleaned up, considering their "quality". And photographic reproduction is PD, only EDITORIAL CONTENT is copyrightable. RT - Original Message - From: "Jorge Torres" To: "Roman Turovsky" Cc: ; ; Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 8:23 AM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Minkoff contact All, Robin's findings are correct. While the item is in the PD, the edited, cleaned up images (which is what Minkoff provides) are not and require permission (even in the US) from the claimant, who may or may not be Minkoff. If one has access to a microfilm of a PD manuscript from a library, then no permission is required. The latter is indeed in the PD. Nevertheless, it is always polite for scholars to ask for permission and acknowledge the library with the original. Jorge Torres On May 16, 2012, at 7:50 AM, Roman Turovsky wrote: Not in the US. The image remains PD here. RT Thank you for your reply, I asked the copyright office at Oxford University Press about a similar situation and they informed me that when the manuscript is public domain, the person/company that took the photographs of the manuscript have the copyright of those images and following I have to ask the photographer's permission (if there are no publisher to contact). tricky... ;) Best Robin Siterer Roman Turovsky : My understanding is that a facsimile of a public domain music cannot be copyrighted. (only editorial content can), so you don't need anyone's permission. RT - Original Message - From: To: ; Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 4:04 AM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Minkoff contact Dear list. Does anyone know where to get permission to reprint tablatures from Minkoff Reprint, as Sylvie Minkoff has sadly past away? Best Robin Rolfhamre To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Minkoff contact
Minkoff's images cannot claim to be cleaned up, considering their "quality". And photographic reproduction is PD, only EDITORIAL CONTENT is copyrightable. RT - Original Message - From: "Jorge Torres" To: "Roman Turovsky" Cc: ; ; Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 8:23 AM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Minkoff contact All, Robin's findings are correct. While the item is in the PD, the edited, cleaned up images (which is what Minkoff provides) are not and require permission (even in the US) from the claimant, who may or may not be Minkoff. If one has access to a microfilm of a PD manuscript from a library, then no permission is required. The latter is indeed in the PD. Nevertheless, it is always polite for scholars to ask for permission and acknowledge the library with the original. Jorge Torres On May 16, 2012, at 7:50 AM, Roman Turovsky wrote: Not in the US. The image remains PD here. RT Thank you for your reply, I asked the copyright office at Oxford University Press about a similar situation and they informed me that when the manuscript is public domain, the person/company that took the photographs of the manuscript have the copyright of those images and following I have to ask the photographer's permission (if there are no publisher to contact). tricky... ;) Best Robin Siterer Roman Turovsky : My understanding is that a facsimile of a public domain music cannot be copyrighted. (only editorial content can), so you don't need anyone's permission. RT - Original Message - From: To: ; Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 4:04 AM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Minkoff contact Dear list. Does anyone know where to get permission to reprint tablatures from Minkoff Reprint, as Sylvie Minkoff has sadly past away? Best Robin Rolfhamre To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Minkoff contact
Not in the US. The image remains PD here. RT Thank you for your reply, I asked the copyright office at Oxford University Press about a similar situation and they informed me that when the manuscript is public domain, the person/company that took the photographs of the manuscript have the copyright of those images and following I have to ask the photographer's permission (if there are no publisher to contact). tricky... ;) Best Robin Siterer Roman Turovsky : My understanding is that a facsimile of a public domain music cannot be copyrighted. (only editorial content can), so you don't need anyone's permission. RT - Original Message - From: To: ; Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 4:04 AM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Minkoff contact Dear list. Does anyone know where to get permission to reprint tablatures from Minkoff Reprint, as Sylvie Minkoff has sadly past away? Best Robin Rolfhamre To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Minkoff contact
My understanding is that a facsimile of a public domain music cannot be copyrighted. (only editorial content can), so you don't need anyone's permission. RT - Original Message - From: To: ; Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 4:04 AM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Minkoff contact Dear list. Does anyone know where to get permission to reprint tablatures from Minkoff Reprint, as Sylvie Minkoff has sadly past away? Best Robin Rolfhamre To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Tombeau sur la Mort de mr. Philippe Orlyk
Tombeau sur la Mort de mr. Philippe Orlyk - http://polyhymnion.org/tombeau/tombeaux/s/lacrimosa.mp3 http://polyhymnion.org/tombeau/tombeaux/s/lacrimosa.pdf the man - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pylyp_Orlyk the deed - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Pylyp_Orlyk RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] swedish project
"Petter Möller Polska" - http://www.polyhymnion.org/swv/music/polska/polska39.mp3 http://www.polyhymnion.org/swv/music/polska/polska39.pdf "Tidemand Polska" - http://www.polyhymnion.org/swv/music/polska/polska40.mp3 http://www.polyhymnion.org/swv/music/polska/polska40.pdf Gutår, RT more at http://www.polyhymnion.org/swv/carolin.html To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Nurnberg Ms
I'm looking at a "Kosaken-Tanz" in Nürnberg Ms. Would the Collective Wisdom know any similar material for baroque lute elsewhere? Thank you! RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Birthdays
Today is the birthday of Carl Philipp Emmanuel Bach, born on this day in 1714. You may celebrate it with the 7 pieces of his found on http://www.polyhymnion.org/swv/opus-2.html Enjoy. Amitiés, RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] ballade "Mazepa"
http://www.torban.org/sounds/mazepa1.mp3 http://www.torban.org/images/mazepa1.pdf baroque lute http://www.torban.org/images/mazepa1arc-fr.pdf archlute http://www.torban.org/images/mazepa1arc-it.pdf archlute Enjoy. Amitiés, RT From: "Roman Turovsky" a short Largo and a bourree, "nach Kuhnaus Manier"- http://polyhymnion.org/swv/music/sar-kuh3/sar-kuh3.mp3 http://polyhymnion.org/swv/music/sar-kuh3/sar-kuh3.pdf http://www.polyhymnion.org/swv/music/boura1/boura1.mp3 http://www.polyhymnion.org/swv/music/boura1/boura1.pdf Enjoy. Amitiés, RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] a Largo and a bourree
a short Largo and a bourree, "nach Kuhnaus Manier"- http://polyhymnion.org/swv/music/sar-kuh3/sar-kuh3.mp3 http://polyhymnion.org/swv/music/sar-kuh3/sar-kuh3.pdf http://www.polyhymnion.org/swv/music/boura1/boura1.mp3 http://www.polyhymnion.org/swv/music/boura1/boura1.pdf Enjoy. Amitiés, RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Sharp keys seem to work well in d-minor tuned lute...
Ever heard of IRONY? RT - Original Message - From: "howard posner" To: "Baroque lute Dmth" Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 11:57 AM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Sharp keys seem to work well in d-minor tuned lute... On Jan 7, 2012, at 2:09 AM, Martyn Hodgson wrote: Incorrect again Howard - he does not say those who use tastini are 'prominent' players as you do (from where do you get this), but that they are foolish. You must have missed Jean-Marie's post yesterday, quoting Galilei's Fronimo: "Eumatius [the student]: ... Also, how does it happen that you do not use frets that are spaced by unusual inequality of intervals, and some other little frets that take away the sharpness from the major third and tenth, as I have seen used by some universally known, skillful men, from whom I understand that both are exceedingly necessary and useful. Fronimo, the teacher, does not dispute that players who use tastini are skilled and "universally known," but he does say that their followers are foolish: Fronimo : ... Now I come to the matter of tastini [little frets], which lately some people seek to introduce in order to remove some of their sharpness from the thirds and major tenths (as they try to persuade those who are more foolish than they). I've made the point before here (probably before Martyn's time on the list) that in describing them as "universally known" and skilled, Galilei is ceding an unusually large share of the field to them, something he would not have done unless the practice he describes was widespread. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Sharp keys seem to work well in d-minor tuned lute...
Prominent??? RT From: "howard posner" Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 3:48 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Sharp keys seem to work well in d-minor tuned lute... On Jan 6, 2012, at 12:36 PM, Jean-Marie Poirier wrote: Although Denis does not recommend openly a sort of equal temperament, he acknowledges the fact that fretted instruments are not naturally and technically apt for unequal temperaments. I think his "ivory frets", which could be adjusted according to the required temperament, are only another experimental endeavour comparable with Galilei's suggested use of "tastini" Galilei doesn't suggest tastini. He says other prominent players use them, but he thinks it's a bad idea. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Sharp keys seem to work well in d-minor tuned lute...
The answer is NO. Gut frets wear out gut strings nearly not as much as hard frets, and considering the cost of strings - this is simple economic expediency. Still is, now. There were always a few masochists bent on temperaments, but these were always a small minority. Even keyboard composers were becoming annoyed with mean-tone by mid 17th century (such as Frescobaldi). RT - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 9:08 AM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Sharp keys seem to work well in d-minor tuned lute... Out of curiosity - is there any evidence that Lute makers/players of the renaissance insisted on maintaining frets made from gut PRIMARILY because they would shift them around to accommodate the mean tuning within different keys? ...otherwise, wouldn't have been easier for lute players of the time, if the makers simply glued on wooden frets?? trj -Original Message- From: Martin Shepherd To: baroque-lute Sent: Thu, Jan 5, 2012 11:07 pm Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Sharp keys seem to work well in d-minor tuned lute... Hi Arto, Well the "temperament problem" is the same for baroque and renaissance lute, with the 2nd to 4th courses being the same tuning and in the Dm tuning the 1st being the same as the 4th! So G major works well, because you can have the 1st, 4th and 6th frets in the "low position" (nearer the nut), but A minor/major have a problem with the G# on the third fret (4th course) because you can't move that fret without upsetting the tuning of the C on the 3rd course. Of course if the G# only occurs at the upper octave (first fret first course) then it's fine, you can have the first fret in low position. Best wishes, Martin On 05/01/2012 21:30, wikla wrote: Dear baroque lutenists, to me - a newcomer to the d-minor lutes - the keys with one or two sharps seem to be much easier to get in better tuning than the equal temperament! Is this perhaps already a commonly known fact? On the other hand, for ex. the g-minor is problematic with its f# and bb on the same - and 1st! - fret. On higher frets it is much easier to affect to the pitch. Just wondering, how would that be with three sharps... f# minor and A major .. ;) Any experienced opinions by lutenists interested in better than ET tuning? ;-) Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: the Scandinavian lute project
Well, you brought it up, didn't you? I am not opposed to nationalism per se, and in some cases I wholeheartedly support nationalist movements, especially where native cultures are seriously endangered (like in Catalonia, Corsica and Ukraine). The lute music has definite national flavors, and our attraction to it lies therein. Otherwise we'd do flavorless modernism of one sort or another. Therefore lets continue with this project, 2 more polskan tunes: http://www.polyhymnion.org/swv/carolin.html RT - Original Message - From: "wikla" To: "Roman Turovsky" Cc: "BAROQUE-LUTE" Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 6:18 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: the Scandinavian lute project Well Roman, I advice you of not being too "clever" of Scandinavian, Finnish and also even all-European affairs nowadays... I sincerely oppose any nationalistic movements here for very well founded reasons... But this really has nothing to do with our wonderful baroque lute list! So please Roman, let us stop this thread just now! Arto On Tue, 13 Dec 2011 17:37:35 -0500, "Roman Turovsky" wrote: I am well aware of the muslim mischief that occurs there, but that is an imported issue. RT - Original Message - From: "wikla" To: "roman turovsky" Cc: "BAROQUE-LUTE" Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 5:32 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: the Scandinavian lute project Dear Roman, you seem not to follow the recent politics in Finland and Sweden... beato tuo... ;) Arto On Tue, 13 Dec 2011 17:25:23 -0500, "roman turovsky" wrote: if all nationalisms were like the Scandinavian ones - the world would have been quite livable. RT From: "wikla" Tuomas plays your arr very beautifull! But I think in Europe the least ideology we need today is nationalism! Too much of that already! Arto On Tue, 13 Dec 2011 12:34:45 -0500, "Roman Turovsky" wrote: I have revived my Swedish+ lute-project, with a fine ice-breaking video by Tuomas Rauramaa - http://www.polyhymnion.org/swv/carolin.html This might turn into another project for the radio, that is if we get some participation! Enjoy, RT related projects http://www.polyhymnion.org/swv/kalevala.html http://www.polyhymnion.org/lieder/scandinavian.html To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: the Scandinavian lute project
BTW, I just assed 2 more Polskan (35 & 36) to http://www.polyhymnion.org/swv/carolin.html RT From: "Roman Turovsky" I am well aware of the muslim mischief that occurs there, but that is an imported issue. RT - Original Message - From: "wikla" To: "roman turovsky" Cc: "BAROQUE-LUTE" Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 5:32 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: the Scandinavian lute project Dear Roman, you seem not to follow the recent politics in Finland and Sweden... beato tuo... ;) Arto On Tue, 13 Dec 2011 17:25:23 -0500, "roman turovsky" wrote: if all nationalisms were like the Scandinavian ones - the world would have been quite livable. RT From: "wikla" Tuomas plays your arr very beautifull! But I think in Europe the least ideology we need today is nationalism! Too much of that already! Arto On Tue, 13 Dec 2011 12:34:45 -0500, "Roman Turovsky" wrote: I have revived my Swedish+ lute-project, with a fine ice-breaking video by Tuomas Rauramaa - http://www.polyhymnion.org/swv/carolin.html This might turn into another project for the radio, that is if we get some participation! Enjoy, RT related projects http://www.polyhymnion.org/swv/kalevala.html http://www.polyhymnion.org/lieder/scandinavian.html To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: the Scandinavian lute project
I am well aware of the muslim mischief that occurs there, but that is an imported issue. RT - Original Message - From: "wikla" To: "roman turovsky" Cc: "BAROQUE-LUTE" Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 5:32 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: the Scandinavian lute project Dear Roman, you seem not to follow the recent politics in Finland and Sweden... beato tuo... ;) Arto On Tue, 13 Dec 2011 17:25:23 -0500, "roman turovsky" wrote: if all nationalisms were like the Scandinavian ones - the world would have been quite livable. RT From: "wikla" Tuomas plays your arr very beautifull! But I think in Europe the least ideology we need today is nationalism! Too much of that already! Arto On Tue, 13 Dec 2011 12:34:45 -0500, "Roman Turovsky" wrote: I have revived my Swedish+ lute-project, with a fine ice-breaking video by Tuomas Rauramaa - http://www.polyhymnion.org/swv/carolin.html This might turn into another project for the radio, that is if we get some participation! Enjoy, RT related projects http://www.polyhymnion.org/swv/kalevala.html http://www.polyhymnion.org/lieder/scandinavian.html To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: the Scandinavian lute project
if all nationalisms were like the Scandinavian ones - the world would have been quite livable. RT From: "wikla" Tuomas plays your arr very beautifull! But I think in Europe the least ideology we need today is nationalism! Too much of that already! Arto On Tue, 13 Dec 2011 12:34:45 -0500, "Roman Turovsky" wrote: I have revived my Swedish+ lute-project, with a fine ice-breaking video by Tuomas Rauramaa - http://www.polyhymnion.org/swv/carolin.html This might turn into another project for the radio, that is if we get some participation! Enjoy, RT related projects http://www.polyhymnion.org/swv/kalevala.html http://www.polyhymnion.org/lieder/scandinavian.html To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] the Scandinavian lute project
I have revived my Swedish+ lute-project, with a fine ice-breaking video by Tuomas Rauramaa - http://www.polyhymnion.org/swv/carolin.html This might turn into another project for the radio, that is if we get some participation! Enjoy, RT related projects http://www.polyhymnion.org/swv/kalevala.html http://www.polyhymnion.org/lieder/scandinavian.html To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: RT on Dutch Radio!!!
For those who missed the show, the archived stream is available now - http://www.concertzender.nl/programmagids.php?date=2011-12-05&month=1&detail=52618 SONOOR! RT - Original Message - From: "Roman Turovsky" To: "BAROQUE-LUTE" Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 12:51 AM Subject: RT on Dutch Radio!!! Anywhere in FM аether in the Netherlands, and worlwide on the web (5PM in NYC, 11PM in Amsterdam, midnight in Kyiv)! http://www.concertzender.nl/programmagids.php?date=2011-12-05&month=1&detail=52618 This is the second hourlong installment in the series of broadcasts featuring Roman Turovsky's lute compositions on Ukrainian themes. The broadcasts would also include Julian Kytasty's compositions for flute, and ensemble compositions written jointly by Roman Turovsky and Hans Kockelmans. "SONOOR" is the podcast link. This broadcast will be repeated on the 15th and the 25th of December, at 6PM in Amsterdam, noon in New York. Be there, or be square! Groetjes, RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Male alto in Lute songs? wasTransposing lute tablature on sight
I more than agree with Hill, without albionic understatements. Contertenors were never really statistically prevalent, and good ones even fewer. Alfred Deller was a great musician first and a countertenor second. Most countertenors that came in his wake are simply irritating. I am certain the cituation was similar 400 years ago. There MAY HAVE BEEN A FEW listenable countertenors, but most of them were insufferable then as they are now. RT - Original Message - From: "Martyn Hodgson" To: "Baroque lute Dmth" ; "lute mailing list list" ; "howard posner" Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 4:57 AM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Male alto in Lute songs? wasTransposing lute tablature on sight Thank you for this Howard and for your time. My starting point in any discussion on performance practice is a belief that the performance should respect the composer's intentions (to the best of our present knowledge) and thus what auditors expected to hear. The range requirements of these solo (English) lute songs is not great and well within the capabilities of most sopranos or tenors with only a modest ranges. So, as pointed out earlier, the only reason to transpose these particular lute songs is to perform them with a voice type (eg alto) it is highly unlikely the composer expected to be used. In short, it is indeed both unecessary to have to transpose on sight and to use the alto voice for these pieces (your 'two issues'). As I wrote earlier, other modes of performance are perfectly possible and if nowadays some people like them, or even prefer them, then so be it. But, like Hill, I do object to it (ie use of male altos in the repertoire) being touted as the way the Old Ones expected their music to be performed. And, yes, regarding evidence: I do think we should try and seek it to bolster our suppositions rather than relying on personal unsubstantiated prejudices. We may not know everything with 100% certainty but that's no excuse for ignoring what evidence we actually do have. Incidentally, the second part of David Hill's paper has now appeared (Early Music Review No 145). Hill is very well aware of the antipathy this 'uncomfortable truth' may raise in some quarters but feels it is so very important to set the record straight. Towards the end he writes " these two articles have not been an attack on countertenors, merely their continuing unquestioned use in repertoire that they are very unlikely to have performed". I salute his courage as well as his scholarship and urge you to read it. You can subscribe to Early Music Review for only around -L-20 a year and for that you get both the Review and the Diary which lists many international concerts, festivals, conferences, workshops and lectures... Martyn --- On Fri, 2/12/11, howard posner wrote: From: howard posner Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Male alto in Lute songs? wasTransposing lute tablature on sight To: "Baroque lute Dmth" , "lute mailing list list" Date: Friday, 2 December, 2011, 18:28 On Dec 2, 2011, at 7:58 AM, Martyn Hodgson wrote: > As David Hill points out (have you bothered > to read his paper?) the voice generally expected when the songs were > composed was soprano/tenor. As he says, the male alto, to take David > Van Oijan's personal preference, was certainly around but in England > "was not deployed as a solo voice outside of a cathedral, collegiate or > courtly chapel..." You've been bandying about two issues here, and I think you've confused them. First, is it anachronistic to transpose lute songs (and the subsidiary question about whether David van Ooijen is some kind of freak because he transposes tablature accompaniments without writing out the transposition)? Second, is it anachronistic, in a renaissance-faire sort of way, for male altos to sing lute songs? Your answer yes to both questions, and indeed cite the second answer as dispositive of the first question. I see several fundamental flaws in your conclusion. First, male altos' range considerations are no different from those of female altos or baritones or basses. So male altos are relevant to the question of transposing lute songs only in that they would add numbers to the class of singers who would need to transpose a song published in the soprano/tenor range, which would indicate that more than half the available singers might need to transpose at least some of the songs if they wanted to sing the top line. The class of transposers might actually have been considerably more than half: the songs were written for home use, largely by amateur singers, which might mean that a larger percentage of the singers would have had lower voices -- amateurs tend to sing lower because they tend to use the same register singing as they do speaking, but let's put that aside for now.
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Transposing lute tablature on sight [was Re: A=392]
From: "howard posner" On Dec 2, 2011, at 11:14 AM, Roman Turovsky wrote: The idea of instant transposition on an instrument PRECLUDES meantone temperaments, for starters. It would only possible in EqualT. in a hypothetical situation that a given transposition causes no hideously hard fingerings. Say, your singer decides to transpose down a semitone from C-major. Then you tell your singer to go find a piano player. The more likely situation is moving from C to D or Bb, or F to G. I had to transpose down a semitone for Julian Kytasty, who I accompany on occasion, and I solved the problem by having a 2nd 13courser in 415 handy! All your frets are in the wrong places. This is actually not a big deal. Frets are movable. When I had one lute and had to move between 440 and 415, I used a capo and could reset the frets in a minute. I hate moving mine, especially when there is no time to calibrate them, even with an iPhone. RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Male alto in Lute songs? was Transposing lute tablature on sight
A natural consequence of accomplishment. RT Howard scripsit: On Dec 2, 2011, at 11:19 AM, Roman Turovsky wrote: And speaking of such truly accomplished players as Karamazov: He tends to have 4-6 archlutes on hand, for various minute instant adjustments of performance. I guess that works if you have a large car and are very generous in tipping baggage handlers. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Male alto in Lute songs? wasTransposing lute tablature on sight
meant PLAYERS, his singing is only for the inner sanctum. RT - Original Message - From: "wikla" To: "Roman Turovsky" Cc: "Baroque lute Dmth" ; "howard posner" Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 2:28 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Male alto in Lute songs? wasTransposing lute tablature on sight Does he really also sing?! Arto On Fri, 02 Dec 2011 14:19:05 -0500, "Roman Turovsky" wrote: And speaking of such truly accomplished singers as Karamazov: He tends to have 4-6 archlutes on hand, for various minute instant adjustments of performance. RT - Original Message - From: "Roman Turovsky" To: "Baroque lute Dmth" ; "lute mailing list list" ; "howard posner" Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Male alto in Lute songs? wasTransposing lute tablature on sight The "most-accomplished players" are usually the ones own several variously pitched lutes, for said occacions. RT - Original Message - On Dec 2, 2011, at 10:48 AM, Nancy Carlin wrote: A while back on the lute list there was a link to Hector Sequera's dissertation about Paston - very interesting. It's 100 years earlier, Actually, Paston, being Elizabethan, is the period we're talking about. You were led astray by my example of Handel in 1729; I brought it up because it's different from the subject under discussion. but goes into a lot of detail about the various keys in the Paston manuscripts and the sizes of lutes that would have been available to Paston. It's pretty clear that Paston would have gotten out a different sized lute rather than transposing. As would all but the most accomplished players. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Male alto in Lute songs? wasTransposing lute tablature on sight
And speaking of such truly accomplished singers as Karamazov: He tends to have 4-6 archlutes on hand, for various minute instant adjustments of performance. RT - Original Message - From: "Roman Turovsky" To: "Baroque lute Dmth" ; "lute mailing list list" ; "howard posner" Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Male alto in Lute songs? wasTransposing lute tablature on sight The "most-accomplished players" are usually the ones own several variously pitched lutes, for said occacions. RT - Original Message - On Dec 2, 2011, at 10:48 AM, Nancy Carlin wrote: A while back on the lute list there was a link to Hector Sequera's dissertation about Paston - very interesting. It's 100 years earlier, Actually, Paston, being Elizabethan, is the period we're talking about. You were led astray by my example of Handel in 1729; I brought it up because it's different from the subject under discussion. but goes into a lot of detail about the various keys in the Paston manuscripts and the sizes of lutes that would have been available to Paston. It's pretty clear that Paston would have gotten out a different sized lute rather than transposing. As would all but the most accomplished players. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Male alto in Lute songs? wasTransposing lute tablature on sight
The "most-accomplished players" are usually the ones own several variously pitched lutes, for said occacions. RT - Original Message - On Dec 2, 2011, at 10:48 AM, Nancy Carlin wrote: A while back on the lute list there was a link to Hector Sequera's dissertation about Paston - very interesting. It's 100 years earlier, Actually, Paston, being Elizabethan, is the period we're talking about. You were led astray by my example of Handel in 1729; I brought it up because it's different from the subject under discussion. but goes into a lot of detail about the various keys in the Paston manuscripts and the sizes of lutes that would have been available to Paston. It's pretty clear that Paston would have gotten out a different sized lute rather than transposing. As would all but the most accomplished players. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Male alto in Lute songs? wasTransposing lute tablature on sight
From: "howard posner" On Dec 2, 2011, at 7:58 AM, Martyn Hodgson wrote: I see several fundamental flaws in your conclusion. First, male altos' range considerations are no different from those of female altos or baritones or basses. So male altos are relevant > to the question of transposing lute songs only in that they would add numbers to the class of singers who would need to transpose > a song published in the soprano/tenor range, which would indicate that more than half the available singers might need to transpose at least some of the songs if they wanted to sing the top line. That wery well could have been the case, BUT male altos have beside range considerations some less than politically correct sociological connotations. RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Transposing lute tablature on sight [was Re: A=392]
Obbligato lute accompaniments are notoriously idiomatic, not to mention hard
to play.
Transposing them on paper is masochistic enough, never mind doing that at
sight.
A good indicator of historical practice would prevalence of manuscript
evidence
of historical tab transposition, but I don't recall that much of it in the
wild.
But nothing is impossible for David, who recorded more CD's than all other
lute players combined,
and I have it on good authority that the Amsterdam airport will be renaimed
as a tribute to him
in January, to be called VanOoijen Airport.
Groetjes,
RT
- Original Message -
From: "David Smith"
To: "'Stuart Walsh'" ; "'David van Ooijen'"
Cc: "'Baroque Lute List (E-mail)'"
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 3:29 AM
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Transposing lute tablature on sight [was Re:
A=392]
I agree that transposing Bartok piano concertos might be a bit tough.
Transposing fairly complicated choral or art song accompaniments I believe
are pretty standard. The art of accompaniment is not that of a solo
artist -
what is important is that the harmonies, rhythms, and character of the
music
is retained - not every not has to be retained. I suspect this is true for
lute accompaniment as well.
Regards
David
-Original Message-
From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On
Behalf
Of Stuart Walsh
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 2:11 PM
To: David van Ooijen
Cc: Baroque Lute List (E-mail)
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Transposing lute tablature on sight [was Re:
A=392]
On 30/11/2011 16:37, David van Ooijen wrote:
On 30 November 2011 17:28, howard posner wrote:
On Nov 30, 2011, at 7:39 AM, David van Ooijen wrote:
Ask your colleagues if they can
transpose a lute song.
What evidence do you have that he has colleagues?
ROTFLOL!
Not sure I am.
Professionals on this list don't often 'pull rank', or make a very, very
big deal of showing off their professional skills to the majority of us
who
are just enthusiastic amateurs.
Firstly, I'll say I haven't looked at a lute song accompaniment in a very,
very long time. Yet, although I'd feel quite confident in having a go at
sight reading lute duets and other lute parts (depending on difficulty, of
course), I'd be far less sure about sight reading lute song
accompaniments,
let alone transposing at sight! The parts are just too difficult to sight
read, let alone, transpose. Can you do this, Howard?
On the other hand, of course, players of other instruments do transpose
at
sight as a matter of course. Many pianists (and other keyboard
players) can transpose at sight, though I've always assumed they were
transposing fairly simple music, not Bartok piano concertos. Do your
colleagues, do this sort of thing, David?
I have an amateur musician colleague, another teacher - of physics. He
plays
trombone. Trombone players play in different clefs and in ways which mean
calculating things on the spot. In short, capaple, experienced musicians
can
do all sorts of things that amateur pluckers find amazing.
But transposing lute song tablatures at sight really does seem quite a
feat.
And just a bit improbable (But, to acknowledge the fact again, some
musicians can really do extraordinary things, seen from the perspective of
amateur pluckers). I can quite easily imagine a very experienced lute
player bodging ('bricolage'?) something together in a different key from
that of the tablature. But a literal transposition on spot really is
pushing
it.
I'm always happy to have be proved wrong. (One of my students did so
conclusively today about something. It amused me and I learned something
- and it made his day). So could you be tested on this feat.
Have you got a webcam? I send you some tablature and you transpose it
sight?
(I'll be first with the thunderous applause!!)
Stuart
And I thought I was the one giving comic relieve. You just made my
wife wonder why I start laughing behind my computer (she's in the
other room), _and_ you kept me from my job!
Thanks for both. :-)
David
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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Transposing lute tablature on sight [was Re: A=392]
reading off lute tabulature is common practice of historical harpists. WITHOUT transposion, naturally. RT - Original Message - From: "David van Ooijen" To: Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 5:03 AM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Transposing lute tablature on sight [was Re: A=392] On 1 December 2011 10:13, William Samson wrote: clavichord and sight read from lute tablature flawlessly. The real wonder would have been if he wouldn't have known what notes the tablature represented. David - cannot play keyboard -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Transposing lute tablature on sight [was Re: A=392]
Well, David has recorded 37 CDs, so for him it must be a piece of cake. RT - Original Message - From: "Martyn Hodgson" To: "David Smith" Cc: "Baroque Lute List (E-mail)" ; "David van Ooijen" Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 10:59 AM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Transposing lute tablature on sight [was Re: A=392] Dear David, Thank you for this. I too think it a useful skill to be able to transpose staff notation on sight (and, indeed, I often do when playing theorbo continuo) but I think transposing tablature is a rather different matter and I was therefore surprised that David thought it an accomplishment all experienced modern players possesed. Perhaps they do - I've just not seen any evidence to support the assertion. Martyn. --- On Wed, 30/11/11, David Smith wrote: From: David Smith Subject: Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Transposing lute tablature on sight [was Re: A=392] To: "Martyn Hodgson" Cc: "Baroque Lute List (E-mail)" , "David van Ooijen" Date: Wednesday, 30 November, 2011, 15:45 Just to jump in the fray. My wife is aprofessional musician, as many of you are, and I asked here if she thought it was an important skill for piano accompanists to be able to transpose on sight. Her response was a resounding yes. Now I know the piano is a more amenable for transposition instrument than the lute but I would also assume the skill would be important for accompanying singers with lute. That neither means it is common nor is it easy (having had to do instantaneous translation on the piano for my music degree and not feeling accomplished at all gives me an appreciation for the challenge). Anyway, this is not proof but an observation from another part of the musical spectrum that I think is relevant. Regards David Sent from my iPhone On Nov 30, 2011, at 7:12 AM, Martyn Hodgson <[1]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > > Well, I'll have another bash. > > What you actually wrote was 'Transposing lute song (intabulated parts) > isn't that hard for an experienced player'. And yes, that does rather > imply all 'experienced' players. But this isn't really the point is > it? - more to it is what evidence do you have for your assertion that > all these other 'experienced' players can readily transpose on sight? > I'm not particularly interested in what you tell me are your personal > accomplishments but in the more general application of your assertion > to other players. Perhaps you might address this? > > Many thanks, > > MH > > > > --- On Wed, 30/11/11, David van Ooijen <[2]davidvanooi...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > From: David van Ooijen <[3]davidvanooi...@gmail.com> > Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: A=392 > To: "Baroque Lute List (E-mail)" <[4]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> > Date: Wednesday, 30 November, 2011, 14:07 > > On 30 November 2011 14:46, Martyn Hodgson > <[1][5]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >> I think the same general query applies to modern players too - what > evidence have you for your assertion that all experienced players can > transpose tablature on sight? > Gosh, there goes my English again! Did I really write 'all experienced > players'? Shouldn't think so. Make that 'experienced players', or read > my mail again and see that's what I did write. The question should be, > of course, what makes a player experienced (or good, or a pro, or a > survivor in the rough world of lute song accompaniment)? Many lute > song accompanists, dare I say experienced lute song accompanists, > will agree transposing songs is a useful skill. Or carrying around a > bag of transpositions, like Bob Spencer did. Perhaps that's what marks > the experienced player: to be prepared for possible transpositions. > Anyway, you mean you want to have a list of all the times I had to > transpose on sight over the last 20- dd years? Or a list of the songs, > or a list of the most common transpositions, most common reasons, or a > rating of the relative success of my transpositions (could be > embarrassing, let's leave that out). > David - had a spontaneous transposition within a recit of Messiah last > weekend, but the cello player and alto didn't transpose along. How > petty of them, not going along with my half tone lower ... > -- > *** > David van Ooijen > [2][6]davidvanooi...@gmail.com > www.davidvanooijen.nl > *** > To get on or off this list see list information at > [3][7]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > -- > > References > > 1. [8]http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co. uk > 2. [9]http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=davidvanooi...@gmail.
[BAROQUE-LUTE] AFTER THE WEDDING
AFTER THE WEDDING Time - Saturday, October 22 · 7:30pm -- Location - The Ukrainian Museum (NYC) 222 E6th Street New York, NY -- More Info The Center for Traditional Music and Dance, Ukrainian Wave, The Ukrainian Museum and New York Bandura Ensemble/Bandura Downtown present - AFTER THE WEDDING: Ballads of Marital Mayhem (up to and including capital murder...) Julian Kytasty, Roman Turovsky with special guests Michael Alpert and Eva Salina Primack SATURDAY, OCTOBER 22, 2011, 7:30 pm The Ukrainian Museum 222 East 6th St (between 2nd and 3rd Aves) New York, NY ~~ Ukrainian-American singer and bandurist Julian Kytasty and lutenist Roman Turovsky join forces with Yiddish singer/multi-instrumentalist Michael Alpert and Balkan/East European singer Eva Salina Primack to present "After the Wedding: Ballads of Marital Mayhem," a somewhat lighthearted look at love after matrimony, as portrayed in traditional Ukrainian ballads and folksongs. The evening's concert is offered in conjunction with The Ukrainian Museum's "Invitation to a Wedding: Ukrainian Wedding Textiles and Traditions" exhibition, on display until January 11, 2012. Tickets $15 (Museum and CTMD member/student/senior discounts available) A reception follows the concert. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Bocquet vids
Since I often get accused of making blanket statements: I was thinking of a very particular Weichenberger CD, which had some very dodgy/gutsy intervals... RT - Original Message - From: "William Samson" To: "Roman Turovsky" Cc: Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 1:59 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Bocquet vids It's probably not the 'done thing' on this forum, but LOL anyway! Bill From: Roman Turovsky To: William Samson Sent: Friday, 21 October 2011, 17:18 Subject: Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Bocquet vids Interesting experiment! However there is a occaional give-away: one can often identify gut by its dodgy intonation. RT - Original Message - From: "William Samson" <[1]willsam...@yahoo.co.uk> To: "Christopher Wilke" <[2]chriswi...@yahoo.com>; <[3]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 12:13 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Bocquet vids > You know, I wonder about the use of synthetic strings vs gut. > Certainly a player can feel the difference in his/her fingers, but I'm > not convinced that the listener can identify the string material by > hearing a performance. The same (IMHO) goes for lots of things that > are thought to affect the sound of the lute - the shape of the > body, the material of the back. These things may indeed have an > effect, perhaps psychological, on the way the musician plays the > instrument, but what the audience hears is mostly what the musician > puts into the playing, not the details of the instrument itself. > Some years ago, at a Lute Society Summer School, Chris Wilson performed > an experiment. He played the same pieces on four very different lutes > (different makers, some Venetian shape, some Bologna shape, all at the > same pitch) to a blindfolded audience of lutenists, and asked them to > write on a piece of paper which instrument they thought they were > hearing. The results were quite random, with the exception of one > instrument that had octave tuning right up to the fourth course - and > even then some listeners couldn't identify it. Chris, naturally, said > that the instruments felt very different to him as a player, but what > the audeince heard was Chris, and the lutes used weren't of great > significance. > Bill > > -- > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > -- References 1. mailto:willsam...@yahoo.co.uk 2. mailto:chriswi...@yahoo.com 3. mailto:baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Roman Turovsky and Hans Kockelmans on radio
Time - Monday, November 7 at 11:00pm - 12:00am -- Location - Anywhere in FM aether in the Netherlands, and worlwide on the web - as a podcast! More Info http://www.concertzender.nl/programmagids.php?date=2011-11-07&month=1&detail=52618 This is the first hourlong installment (Monday November 7, 11pm in Holland, midnight in Kiev, 4pm in New York) in the tripartite series of broadcasts featuring Roman Turovsky's lute compositions on Ukrainian themes. The broadcasts also include Julian Kytasty's compositions for solo flute, and ensemble compositions written jointly by Roman Turovsky and Hans Kockelmans! Our profound gratitude to the lutenists who made this project possible!: Axel Wolf, Bernhard Hofstötter, Michele Carreca, Christopher Wilke, Gert de Vries, Jan Grüter, John Schneiderman, Julia Fedorova, Konstantin Shchenikov, Lino Messina, Jindrich Macek, Magnus Andersson, Oleg Timofeyev, Jean-Marie Poirier, Richard Benecchi, Michele Secchia, Stuart Walsh and Trond Bengtson! Special thanks to Concertzender, our gracious host! Facebook event: http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=173313752753174 RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: utterly OT: Vivaldi Stabat Mater VII Eja Mater measure 4: d or d-flat in viola/violin?
In my Ricordi edition it is Db, and D in the following measure. the whole movement is in c-minor, but notated with 4 flats. RT - Original Message - From: "David van Ooijen" To: "lutelist Net" ; "Baroque Lute List (E-mail)" Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 12:28 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] utterly OT: Vivaldi Stabat Mater VII Eja Mater measure 4: d or d-flat in viola/violin? See subject line. Fierce discussion (understatement) in an orchestra here. Is there a facsimile or trustworthy edition that would bring the fights to an end, or at least to an arbitrated tuce? David -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Hammering on and snapping off
According to JFReichardt - his lutenist father could produce a passage of 6 tones with his left hand, on a single pluck. His father was a student of Belogradsky, a student of Weiss in turn. RT - Original Message - From: "William Samson" To: Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 7:29 AM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Hammering on and snapping off I'm curious to know when the playing of notes with left hand only first appeared. Clearly it was used whenever there were graces to be played, but what about written-out phrases? I have noticed there are slur-like indications in later baroque lute music under phrases that lend themselves to left-hand-only playing. Is that the intent? Sorry if this is baby stuff, but I'm not terribly familiar with the later sources. Thanks, Bill Samson -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: who was Mr. Foureroy?
Forqueray. RT - Original Message - From: "David van Ooijen" To: "lutelist Net" ; "Baroque Lute List (E-mail)" Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 10:37 AM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] who was Mr. Foureroy? In the De Visée pieces: La Muzette de Mr. Foureroy and La Venitienne de Mr. Foureroy. David -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Hagen
Just received the new CD of Hagen lute trios with John Schneiderman (Dorian 90907). It is probably the first recording of chamber works with lute that is flattering to our instrument. Excellent music, excellently performed and excellently recorded. Emphatically recommended. RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
