Re: Fw: Fw: Eric
kissin' my ass, aint gonna get u anywhere.. i dont want him back on the list per se, I just feel that dissing people when they have no chance of replying is out of order. Here in sunny Scotland it hasnt rained properly for about three months,we made some lovely hay and silage, but the regrowth has been very little and too slow, so have started feeding the lovely fresh hay straight back to the cows !? I tried the conv. BD sequential spray of 500 pm, followd by 501 next am, then 508 that evening, all done in water/ leaf element, too little avail, will try again next favourable time. Whilst I was away on holiday the environmental police visited, said the dairy was too dirty and threw away my jar of 501 which was sitting on the window sill ! Darned crows have been attacking the Barley, flattening patches, and eating all the seed heads. Put the weaned Glos. Old Spot piglets into the cattle sheds to root thru the bedding, and to have more space to run around - they love it... got to go now, family is home ! cheers, Gideon. - Original Message - From: "Allan Balliett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 12:19 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Fw: Eric > Like I said, Gideon, I'm very busy right now. I check the list and > see baby brain crap coming from one person and I don't see any sort > of deeper thought being provoked by it. If I am wrong, please let me > know. If people want Eric back on the list, that's fine with me. > Myself, I didn't find anything fresh or authentic about him. > > > > You, however, are always fresh and authentic. What do we have to do > to get your to share the wealth of your real-world BD experiences? > > -Allan > ___ > BDNow mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > You can unsubscribe or change your options at: > http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: Fw: Fw: Eric
Sorry Allan, my fault, I meant www.unionag.org Hugh's thang. G. - Original Message - From: "Allan Balliett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 1:22 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Fw: Eric > >PS Have u checked out www.union.org ? what is that all about ?? > > Sorry, it eludes me. Can someone else help? -Allan > ___ > BDNow mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > You can unsubscribe or change your options at: > http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: Fw: Fw: Eric
Allan, now u have really gone too far... Eric wasn't that bad, sure he went off the rails a bit at the end, but at least he was a blast of fresh (young) air for a while. When I first joined this list about 5 years ago it was inspirational, mainly due to the calibre of people involved - eg. Hugh L. Ferdy, etc.. now it is all a bit flat, inhouse bitching, commercial plugging gloop. I know, I know, I am just as guilty as the next person, but I just dont feel inspired to contribute anymore, (except to criticise, of course,) the way people like Jane Sherry and others were dealt with really sucks. I dont know what the answer is, I just thought I'd let u know how I am feeling. In sadness, full-time lurker, Gideon. PS Have u checked out www.union.org ? what is that all about ?? - Original Message - From: "Allan Balliett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 4:44 AM Subject: Re: Fw: Fw: Eric > I'm very impressed by how you folks up North stick together. -Allan > ___ > BDNow mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > You can unsubscribe or change your options at: > http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: Help with Our Feathered Friends
why, what was the problem ?? Gideon. - Original Message - From: "Allan Balliett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 3:21 AM Subject: Re: Help with Our Feathered Friends > Anyone with answers for "TJH" please sent them to > [EMAIL PROTECTED], I've removed 'him' from BD Now! -Allan > > >It seems that our Feathered Friends really enjoy our crops. We have put > >reflector tape out, which only seems to work a few days. > > > >Does anyone have any workable solutions; physical, energetic or > >elemental? > > > >Thanks. > > > >TJH >
Re: Scientific proof of Homeopathic BD prep efficacy
Randi was involved in a BBC Horizon programme 'disproving' homeopathy; see www.bbc.co.uk/science/horizon/2002/homeopathy.shtml if you have all the replicable data, scientifically produced, it should relatively straightforward ? Sure you will have to jump thru some hoops, but it is a lot of money ! It does seem a little strange that no one has taken up the challenge, like we are not 100% certain that it DOES work. Or maybe Randi and his cronies are not impartial, I dont know. All I do know is that if people say 'no', it is because they are not sure of a fair shot, and not because they are scared of a negative result. thus endeth todays sermon ! Gideon. - Original Message - From: "Garuda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 12:40 AM Subject: Re: Scientific proof of Homeopathic BD prep efficacy > tHANKS FOR THE ADVICE > The website talks about paranormal and I did not see any mention of > homeopathics on the quick scan I did of the site, so I emailed for > clarification.
Re: Scientific proof of Homeopathic BD prep efficacy
Alrighty Glen here you go, I dont want any commision, I just want to see this schmuck eat his words ! See www.randi.org , look under the $1 million Paranormal Challenge. Good luck, and keep us posted... Gideon. - Original Message - From: "Garuda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 8:10 PM Subject: Re: Scientific proof of Homeopathic BD prep efficacy > Got the details? > I sure it would made a few press inches, and make our development easier, if > we could collect this. > GA > > - Original Message - > From: "gideon cowen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 8:38 PM > Subject: Re: Scientific proof of Homeopathic BD prep efficacy > > > > some Yankee magician (?) was offering $1 million to anyone who could prove > > homeopathy under 'scientific' tests. You could be in the money there Glen > ! > > Gideon, > > boy do I watch too much TV ! >
Re: Scientific proof of Homeopathic BD prep efficacy
some Yankee magician (?) was offering $1 million to anyone who could prove homeopathy under 'scientific' tests. You could be in the money there Glen ! Gideon, boy do I watch too much TV ! - Original Message - From: "Garuda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 1:48 AM Subject: Scientific proof of Homeopathic BD prep efficacy > IF there was ever any doubt homeopathic BD preps work we now have scientific > proof for all to see > Our frost protection spray ThermoMax has passed the test with flying colours > check out the HortReseach graph at www.bdmax.co.nz > 50% more fruit set @ a -2C frost 33% @ -4C > not bad for fairy dust > GA >
Re: books
My ex - co-worker is halfway thru the first year, you can contact me offline if you want her e-mail address to find out more first hand. gideon. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 9:05 PM Subject: Re: books In a message dated 2/7/2003 12:37:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 'Introduction to Biodynamics', Class of 2001where do I locate this.also I'm thinking of doing the emerson college program. any comments about the depth of this program?
Re: spraying
Steve, have you found spraying on snow to be definitely successful ? I have been holding off my 500 spraying here because we have snow on the ground, and I thought it would not be so effective. cheers, Gideon. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 2:23 PM Subject: spraying > > In a message dated 1/14/03 6:32:41 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > << Steve, Do you spray with snow on the ground? Merla > >> > > Yes we spray with snow if the soil is frozen underneath...sstorch >
Re: Raw Milk
Old Plaw Hatch farm in Sussex sells raw milk thru a milk round available to anyone who wants it in the local area, the reusable glass bottles must carry a disclaimer saying the milk could contain harmful organisms, and right at the bottom it says that this also true of pasturised milk !! ho ho. unfortunately here in Scotland there is no such thing as raw milk. gideon. - Original Message - From: "Tony Nelson-Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 5:45 PM Subject: Re: Raw Milk > > British milk producers might like to confirm what I remember about the sale > of non-pasteurised milk in the UK: it is prohibited on a casual basis, but > can be sold to individual named customers. Tony N-S. > > > > > > > > _ > Overloaded with spam? With MSN 8, you can filter it out > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail&pgmarket=en-gb&XAPID=32&DI=1059 >
Re: Dalgety
Hamish is the tall thin guy on the left of the photo. He hauls this rig around the whole country.. gideon. - Original Message - From: "Allan Balliett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 1:54 PM Subject: Re: Dalgety > Roger - Are there just the 4 pictures? If so, it loaded instantly > with my DSL. The only thing that I would recommend is that you keep > the 72dpi and resize your uploaded originals to the size you want > them on the webpage rather than uploading very large pictures and > re-sizing with html. You pix weigh in at 156k, not that bad, but they > could be as small as 20k, with a little work. > > Interesting stuff. Which person is Hamish? DOES HE SELL FLOWFORMS??? ;-) > > later >
Re: Names in the news
sounds about the same price as they were charging at the Kimberton Whole Foods store. ! What would you charge ? gideon. - Original Message - From: "Allan Balliett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 5:12 PM Subject: Re: Names in the news > >Allan, this happened again recently? I thought this happened last year as > >well? Who's after these folks? Why aren't they going after the real > >poisoners, the chemical dairy folks? > > Sorry, Jane. This is the original story. I have offered Victor cow > shares through our CSA farm, but he didn't pick up on it. He may if > it really sinks in: this is legal!! > > I couldn't believe the price he was charging a gallon! > > -Allan >
Re: Biodiesel
According to a motoring programme on TV here, one can use used vegetable oil, strained of course, to run diesel cars without any alterations to the engine. You just need to add 3 % non kerosene based white spirit (turpentine), and let it sit for one week before using it. McDonalds and Co. should have some spare, I am not sure what they do with it ? has anyone else heard, or done this ?? Gideon. - Original Message - From: "Eric Myren" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 1:24 PM Subject: Biodiesel > The best book I know of on this subject is from The Fryer To The Fuel > Tank by Joshua Tickle. The most efficient producer of oil that could be > used as biodiesel is actually Algae. It takes the Suns energy directly > and converts it to oil (in the process eating carbon dioxide) and it > could easily supply the worlds energy needs. As many other things > could... > The main reason it has not expanded in North America as quickly as > Europe is that it is not enjoying the same corporate welfare the big > oil and gas corporations get. > If you want more information on growing crops for its production or any > thing to do with it just google it there is loads of information out > there. > > peace > Eric >
Re: Crystallization ???
The idea of spraying 500 at this time comes from the Satller/Wistinghausen tome on BD. They had very good results when spraying at this time. (not scientific trials). Somehow enhancing the forces of crystallisation evident in the crystal formations currently visible. Steiner also mentions this time as important in the ag. lectures, but as both my books are out on 'loan' at the moment, I cannot elaborate more. It is a particular window mid Jan. to mid Feb., S./W. only mention 500. My feeling is that it 'reinforces' the soil for the coming season. Gideon. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 8:17 PM Subject: Crystallization ??? > I was hoping someone could expound on the period of crystallization that > is occurring now. Whatfor and how. > > What changes are some of you doing now regarding prep applications now vs > other times of the year. Would one want to alter application (let's say > 501 on the soil in the evening), or just ramp up the schedule and apply as > much as possible in the same fashion as the rest of the year. > > Is this period the same for both northern and southern Hemispheres. If so > then it couldn't be related to the season of winter...no? Is it the > earth's realtionship to the sun, or its position relative to the rest of > the universe that might cause this period to happen now? > > Just looking for a better understanding... > > Ed > > PS Had some wonderful crystals around these parts (northern Florida) last > weeklows in the upper teens (apologies to the rest of the world for > the imperial bias) with more that 14 hours of subfreezing temps for two > nights. Now we're in the 'warm zone', temps in the 70's, and they're > calling for a seabreeze front to develop today (normally a late > spring,early summer occurance). =:-0 > >
Re: not cabin fever!
Up here in sunny Scotland we had 17 degrees C. last sunday !! Hotter than some summer days, I just had to dig out my motorbike and go for a ride, what the hell is going on with the weather ??? Gideon. - Original Message - . > > > > > > >
Re: csa names
Allan, I guess you would know what works best for your local customers, I have trouble keeping up with you.have you moved again ? Where are you now ? g. - Original Message - From: "Allan Balliett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 2:16 PM Subject: Re: csa names > >sounds like your local supermarket ! (I guess this should read convenience > >store in Yankese.) > > Actually, Gideon, 'local' is what separates it from 'supermarket.' > > The phrase is one that has been picked like 'authentic food' as a way > of indicating that if you buy Fresh (picked this morning) and Local > (within 100 miles), you've pretty much moved to supporting small, > value-driven farms. > > My gut feeling, though, is similar to your, or I would have embraced this one. > > The blockage here is the difficulty with the word "CSA" Let's face > it, if this were 'really' CSA, there w.b. a core group pulling this > together while I keep working on the artichoke and the ginger > management plans. But, "CSA" has its meaning to people who want fresh > and locally grown food. > > Good to hear from you, my man. I wish you'd find time to write more. > > -Allan >
Re: ???
Dear Teresa, I seem to recall that you are in the north of England. you are welcome up here in Aberdeen any time, altho I cannot guarentee that I am doing anything 'properly'. We use the Mausdorfer starter in our underground liquid manure tanks, which then get spread on the fields as slurry. Now I am doing '500' spraying to enhance the forces of crystallisation currently active in the earth. Plus we prep all our heaps with the compost preps. 502-508. I also use homeopathy on the dairy cows/youngstock for such things as pneumonia prevention, keeping the cell count down, keeping feet healthy, aand at present I am having problems getting cows back in calf, so I am trying something to help that also. All the homeo. stuff comes from Ainsworths. I also have a home made field broadcaster, but I am too insensitive to work out whether it is working or not !! cheers, out-of-hibernationGideon. - Original Message - From: "Teresa Seed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 9:11 PM Subject: ??? > Dear group > > I'm going to have to put a title on this at the end, if at all. Perhaps I > should limit it to just one theme - which will be, for now, where is BD in > the UK at? > > Are there any British BDers who are experimenting with Steiner's preps, be > it with homoeopathy, radionics or whatever? > > It would be really good to have someone close enough to compare notes with > and actually go and see successful BD in practice. > I've dipped my toes in to the extent of spraying the preps once a couple of > months ago and I intend using them quite frequently. How often is enough? > What are the signs that I should be looking for that they are having an > effect? > > I got my preps from Paul van Midden in Scotland. He sells, as well as 500 to > 508, something called the Mausdorfer Compost Starter/Birch Pit Concentrate. > 'This (I quote from the brochure) is developed by Dr Christian von > Wistinghausen from the international biodynamic preparation centre in > Mausdorf, Germany. It is based on the concept of the birch pit concentrate, > has added to it basalt meal, egg shells and herbs and comes in dried form to > conserve its effectiveness. > The Mausdorfer compost starter is a means of applying the compost > preparations in sheet composting (ie incorporating fresh organic material in > the top soil like ploughing in a grass ley or green manure) or continuous > composting situations where fresh material is constantly added (ie in cattle > sheds or domestic compost heaps). > This starter can be used in addition to the regular use of the compost > preparations and is useful in situations where it is difficult to use the > compost preparations in the normal manner.' > > Has anyone heard of this or used it? It sounds like a useful addition. > > Teresa > > _ > MSN Messenger - fast, easy and FREE! http://messenger.msn.co.uk >
Re: csa names
sounds like your local supermarket ! (I guess this should read convenience store in Yankese.) Gideon. - Original Message - From: "Allan Balliett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 5:42 AM Subject: Re: csa names > >Vital Vittles > >Nurtu-R-Us > >Working Share > >Caring Shares > >Sharing-Crops > > Thanks, Manfred!! I like your stick-to-it-ness!!! > > > I'm back to 'fresh and local CSA' which is freshandlocalcsa.com > > Did this name not work for you folks? > > -Allan >
Re: Looking for a new CSA name
Earth Shares CSA !! Gideon. (has different meanings. ) - Original Message - From: "Katherine Griebel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 6:42 AM Subject: Re: Looking for a new CSA name > How about "Prime Edibles" > > Kathy Griebel >
Re: (What do we have to LOSE/GAIN -was Lurkers) For Chris Shade
Very well said Jane. Gideon. - Original Message - From: "Jane Sherry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Bdnow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 5:08 PM Subject: Re: (What do we have to LOSE/GAIN -was Lurkers) For Chris Shade > I am glad you got to vent, Chris. > > May I please clear some things up? I am not invested in any outcome here. I > have decided to stay on this list for many years, in spite of the aggression > heaped upon me from time to time, such as being accused of being as bad as > Hitler, accused of being out of touch with reality, and now being accused of > calling you a lurker. > > I don't care who lurks, who speaks or what they say. Allan is concerned > about lurkers, or more appropriately: he is concerned that because of a lack > of securiity on the internet, that there are many valuable members of this > list who don't feel comfortable enough to speak out. I doubt that a password > protected archive would help all of them open up. > > I agree that there are many levels and ways of being an activist, and > working from "inside" is a good one. I hope you don't have to compromise > yourself to do so. I am not a sign waver, I get along with people from many > walks of life and I don't profess to have some special wisdom. > > When I joined this list, I lived in NYC and was always out front about who I > thought I represented on this list at that time: a consumer. That was in > 1996, I think & I belonged to a biodynamic csa and had been informed about > Allan's list when it was in it's infancy. I mostly thrilled to learn that > not only did the bd food I'd been eating for 6 years taste great and have > more life force than any fresh food I'd eaten, but it had a spiritual > component as well. > > My husband and I started reading Steiner, I did a workshop and stirred > preparation 500 at a NYAnthro society with Guenther Hauk and put the preps > (500 & 501) which I received from Ferdinand on my houseplants and the trees > out front and a little in Central Park for two years. Granted I read Steiner > really slowly, have a bit of trouble with the lack of a female centric > presence of any kind other than Sophia/Isis and had some lively debates > about it at that time. > > Then I was lucky to escape the city and learn more in a hands on way in my > own garden. Without this list, I doubt I would have learned anything about > bd other than how good some biodynamic produce tasted & felt in my body. > > I am not at all Bd pious, in fact I find that funny. When the mess between > Ann (Demeter) and Mr. Willis happened, I took it upon myself to contact Ann > to try and find out for the list how she felt she could trademark a term > that was in the public domain. I didn't get anywhere, but I was certainly > not pious about that stuff. If I am pious about anything, it is to get LOVE > into the world and to help people find their own path to spirit, not a path > proscribed by any particular discipline or religion or cult. > > In fact, I have also quite vocally criticized the bd movement, anthropops, > and even Allan. I'm an equal opportunity critic! :-) > > So don't get angry at me for speaking out in this forum for what I believe > in. I don't even care if people think I am a bd pious old guard asshole, now > that you have misjudged me and it's going to be in the archive. I have never > wished anyone on this list to have employment problems either. I simply have > the courage (or foolishness) to say what I believe and if that means you > don't like me or won't give me work, then so be it. > > I believe we ALWAYS have choices, contrary to how things may appear at a > difficult crossroads. So when Lloyd says sometimes people don't have a > choice (children, aging parents to care for, rent to pay, whatever), I > simply don't agree. If you think you don't have choices, then you won't. I > know that there are always choices. > > I have NEVER told people they have to use preps or they're not bd. Frankly, > I think you're taking all your frustration out on me cause I have a 'big > mouth' and am NOT afraid to say what I think. Your anger at me is really > misplaced. > > Your information on this list has often been of interest to me and I > continue to read your posts. If my attitude bothers you, Chris, don't take > it personally, just delete my posts. > > Pax, > Jane > > PS: A google search on you just shows off your phd > > > From: Chris Shade <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 09:30:40 -0800 (PST) > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: What do we have to LOSE/GAIN Re: LURKING was Re: Personal > > Security / Insecurity > > > > I have had it with your BD piety. If you had half of > > the wisdom you you think you have, you would see that > > not everybody involved in social change is running > > around as an acitvist waving signs and telling people > > they should use preps and become enlightened. Change > > happens on may levels, and some are
like to get to know you well ?
Well , as I suggested it I suppose I had better start... Format can be as people feel like contributing, but hopefully not too formal. Perhaps how and why people got to where they are today ? It can also be funnot CV stylie Born 25/9/69 at home in Forest Row, Sussex, England, educated at Michael Hall steiner school for 13 years until they kicked me out for expressing my individuality too much. Drifted around doing various things like being a young co-worker in a Camphill, a motorbike courier, working for American Express, until I heard Peter Proctor talk about NZ BD at Steiner House in London. He told me about the one year BD training at Taruna, so went and did that. Just turned 21, had an absolute blast of a year, really opened my eyes to some realities of life, helped by the Moody Blues, and some BD grown finest 'NZ green'. Came back after my one year, and then apprenticed/worked on various BD/organic farms for a few years. then did three year Higher National diploma in organic ag., worked on more farms, got married, helped to produce three children, and ended up here in Scotland, running a Camphill dairy farm with 5 special needs people and 20 Ayrshire cows. gideon.
Re: Fw: "Hidden Agendas"? was Re: [compost_tea] Re: Testing & NOP Decision {LONG}
maybe those who feel like it could provide a little background on
themselves, bit like going round the circle getting to know people
better...??
waddya reckon ??
gideon.
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Fw: The barbed wire won¹t keep contamination in,but it will keep consultation out
feel free to join in ! thanks, gideon. - Original Message - From: "Munlochy Vigil" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "MV02" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 3:46 PM Subject: The barbed wire won¹t keep contamination in,but it will keep consultation out Please read, act, and circulate! Thanks -- >From the Greenpeace website: http://www.greenpeace.org/news/details?news_id=47978 Plotting behind the fence The barbed wire won¹t keep contamination in, but it will keep consultation out Tue 22 October 2002 BELGIUM/Brussels Jim Thomas woke up to another sleepy day in Brussels, but the police were up long before. The day¹s mission protecting the powerful GE seed industry from protestors while they plot the contamination of the European food supply. Jim tells the story from this side of the fence. Sometimes Greenpeace uncovers the bad guys, and sometimes they uncover themselves. This rainy Monday morning a Greenpeace supporter in Brussels tipped us off that the European Seed Industry was meeting to discuss genetically engineered seed - not that it was difficult to tell! When we arrived to check it out we discovered an entire Brussels street had been cordoned off with razor wire. Armoured vans and over 110 police surrounded the Crowne plaza hotel with the sort of protection usually afforded to ministers and heads of states. So what exactly was going on inside? "Its a meeting about the transgenic seeds," explained a friendly policeman handing out Belgian waffles to his troops manning the barbed wire "They are worried that Greenpeace will find out." There was a time when the seed industry was about providing farmers and gardeners with the seeds they needed to grow the food people wanted. Today's seed industry however is another arm of the genetic engineering industry and is made to dance to their tune. The world's largest seed companies are now either owned by GE companies (such as Du Pont's Pioneer Seeds) or are themselves GE companies such as Monsanto, Bayer and Syngenta. First they tried to mix GE ingredients with the food unlabelled. Then they tried unsuccessfully to convince farmers and consumers to support GE crops. Now they moving on to plan C: Contamination. Plan C: Contamination. "The real strategy is to introduce so much genetic pollution that meeting the consumer demand for GM-free food is seen as not possible. The idea, quite simply, is to pollute faster than countries can legislate - then change the laws to fit the contamination." Naomi Klein, When Choice Becomes Just A Memory, The Guardian, January 21, 2001 For two years the European Seed Association has been at the forefront of lobbying for a new European Seed Contamination Directive. That regulation was due to be finalised next month. It would allow an initial release of up to 7000 million unregulated and unmonitored GE plants across Europe by contaminating ordinary planting seed that all farmers buy. It could affect the 10 percent of EU arable land currently planted to maize and oilseed rape. It could introduce an unprecedented amount of GE contamination into the food chain. Greenpeace and others have warned that it would add extra costs to farmers and could destroy the viability of the European organic industry which must stay GE-free. In one respect the barbed wire was no surprise. The proposed Seed Contamination Directive has so far been characterised by closed doors and secrecy. In an unusual move, both the European Parliament and Council of EU Environment ministers are being excluded from the decision making process on this controversial measure. Instead an unelected technical committee, the Standing Committee on Seeds, are being asked to give the final go ahead for what may be the biggest single release of GE crops Europe has ever seen. The only other body who will have any say is the World Trade Organisation. It feels like a stitch-up from start to finish. Perhaps though the seed industry has good reason to be worried. In the past few weeks thousands of Greenpeace cyberactivists have been emailing European ministers to alert them to the real cost of the GE Seed Contamination Directive. Last week Greenpeace and others presented an online petition signed by over 70,000 individuals and 300 farmer, environmental and consumer groups representing over 25 million members. Franz Fischler, Commissioner for Agriculture, who received the petition seemed surprised and concerned by the scope of impact of legalising seed contamination. Down in central Brussels police are still standing in the rain and waiting in riot vans. They have even closed down the botanical garden, a little green haven of biodiversity, so that the genetically engineered seed industry can safely plan the destruction of our agricultural diversity away from public view. An undercover detective stops me and searches my bags, expecting Greenpeace climbers and thousands of activists to arrive momentarily on the street. I smile as I think of the thous
Re: Biodynamic cheeses
Victor @ Shanti yoga. Gideon. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 6:26 AM Subject: Biodynamic cheeses Is anyone familiar with a mail order or online source for biodynamic cheeses?Thanks, RB
Re: Oct. Conf.
maybe 'build' was a slight exaggeration, I just cobbled it together ! I got Rob White out of the Land of the Wizards of Oz to build the machine - s/s, conical bottom, paddles coming up thru the bottom, belt driven via an adjustable timer by an under-slung electric motor. On a platform, so can gravity empty into tractor mounted spray rig. Close enuf to the dairy for the hot water feed, water butts on platform for cold, fed from gutter downpipes. 80 gal. capacity if I remember correctly ! Got another one here made by the same guy, only smaller, was here when I arrived !!Gideon. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 2:18 PM Subject: Re: Oct. Conf. > > In a message dated 9/26/02 4:13:33 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > << altho I did build him a state of the art stirring > > machine with rain water collection, before I left, I am not sure if he has > > used it much. >> > > Gideon, how do you build your machines??? What is the drive??? Paddles??? > Control mechanism??? SStorch >
Re: Oct. Conf.
Unlikely on the conference front, the dairy farmer doesn't have much time or inclination for BD, altho I did build him a state of the art stirring machine with rain water collection, before I left, I am not sure if he has used it much. The CSA market gardeners are having visa troubles and might have to leave. As for things here, I will submit a farmer's log when I have a spare 5 mins. Suffice to say things are going prett damm fine !! Cheers, Gideon. - Original Message - From: "Allan Balliett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 12:17 PM Subject: Re: Oct. Conf. > >When I was at CVKH we had cheese made on contract by a nearby cheesemaker, > >the quality varied, but the quantity should still be there ! Victor from > >Shanti Yoga used to ship it around the country, altho I am not sure about > >his situation at the moment.the types were Chedder, Colby and M. > >Jack. > > you're right, Gideon. I should check with Victor. > > How are things going for you AND, by any chance, do you know of a > Kimberton farmer who may be coming, or want to be coming to, the Oct > 4 conference? >
Re: BDA conf
Here's another one !! THE PROCESSES OF SILICA, CALCIUM AND CLAY. THEIR ROLE IN THE REDEMPTION OF MATTER. Sixteenth international english-speaking conference for those involved with Biodynamic agriculture. Michael House School, Derbshire, England. 30th October - 3rd November 2002. Third and final installment related to this particular theme. focusing on Man and his relationship to ag. Usual format, - keynote speakers, discussions, artistic activities, visits to local BD farms and gardens, etc. Further info. from Lawrence Dungworth. tel. 01454 411801 e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] I will be there !! Gideon. - Original Message - From: "Allan Balliett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 10:05 PM Subject: Re: BDA conf > >BDA has mailed the conference brochure but the info hasn't been > >posted to the web. Here's some info: > > > Thanks for posting this, Dave. > > EVERYONE - I urge you to share any and all information you have about > biodynamic events, in the US or in the underdeveloped areas of the > globe!! > > Furthermore, I'd really like to hear the justification anyone has for > knowing about a bd event and not sharing that info on BD Now! > > Thanks!! > > -Allan >
Re: Oct. Conf.
When I was at CVKH we had cheese made on contract by a nearby cheesemaker, the quality varied, but the quantity should still be there ! Victor from Shanti Yoga used to ship it around the country, altho I am not sure about his situation at the moment.the types were Chedder, Colby and M. Jack. Gideon. - Original Message - From: "Allan Balliett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 2:14 AM Subject: Re: Oct. Conf. > >Hmm, so those of us up 'north' get punished if we cannot attend, huh? You > >won't even make those blank tapes available to us? > > You're right, Jane. Wm Burroughs used to run a reel to reel recorder > without an input hooked up to it, and then listen to the 'blank' tape > for voices. He says there were plenty that were captured, but I don't > remember him ever discussing anything that they had to say. It w.b. > curious to listen to the blank bd conference tapes one day... > > Otherwise, I think that if Hugh Lovel can drive all night to come to > the conference, if Hugh Courtney will leave all of his work to speak > at the conference, if Mark Shepard will abandon his important work to > share at the conference, if Elaine Ingham and James DeMeo will fly > across country to teach us more about soil and Forces, well, I just > don't want to be responsible for encouraging anyone who can get here > without walking across water from coming and sharing their > accomplishments, their interests and their dreams with the rest of > us. Damn me if I'm the one encouraging people to partake of the BD > community via television!! > > We're getting our bread from the Kimberton bakery this year. I'm very > excited about this! > > Can someone recommend a good source of BD/organic CHEESE in quantity > that can be UPS'd to Virginia before next Friday? > > You, Jane, have a special invitation to attend one of these > conferences. There is really no excuse not to come this year. Maybe > SS will drive by and pick you up on his way down. > > -Allan >
Re: Cats in compost
I put the occasional dead calf in my compost heaps !! Gideon. - Original Message - From: "Stacey Elin Rossi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 11:42 AM Subject: Cats in compost > Do I have this right, Gil? You put an occassional > dead cat in your compost??? > > Stacey > > > > > Hi! Cheryl & Lloyd > > I have three of those black plastic worm farms that > > look like a stack of > > fish bins. I am careful that no citrus skins, onion > > peel or other > > "strong" things go in there. The worms work fine and > > produce lots of > > nice castings. I then have a mouldering compost that > > takes the rest of > > the kitchen rubbish, along with fish scraps, a bit > > of chook poo and what > > ever else is needed to keep it going. This takes the > > citrus etc, along > > with the odd feral cat and any road kill that is > > convenient. Then I have > > the serious compost pens, made from non returnable > > pallets. This > > produces the main compost. I also have a Clivus > > Multrum waterless > > composting toilet, that takes all that passes > > through us, plus lots of > > wood shavings/ saw dust. This must be buried under > > the drip line of > > fruit trees and not have root veg grown in it for > > one year. I actually > > put worms and Preps in all of these and the worms > > seem to survive quite > > well, I think they are tougher than we think. > > > > Gil > > > > Cheryl Kemp wrote: > > > > > Thanks to Gil and Lloyd for the interesting info > > on posts for the > > > chook yard and orchard.Now I need some help with > > orange skins in the > > > compost heap. A question from a schoolas they have > > losts of skins > > > every day, is it ok to compost or will they kill > > off all the worms?I > > > know worms dont like too much citrus peels and > > onions.Any suggestions > > > as to how to get rid of the citrus skins?Cheryl > > Kemp > > > Education and Workshop Coordinator > > > BDFGAA > > > Phone /Fax : 02 6657 5322 > > > Home: 02 6657 5306 > > > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > web: www.biodynamics.net.au > > > > > = > @@@ > Stacey Elin Rossi > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://zip.to/anaserene > @@@ > > __ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! News - Today's headlines > http://news.yahoo.com >
Re: Storing Preps
Peat gets woven into blankets to be used as protection against UV radiation and electromagnetic contamination. The Barrel Compost equivalent we sometimes get from some BD bigwig in Germany is completely dry. Do forces prefer wet of dry media ?? Gideon. - Original Message - From: "Allan Balliett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 3:23 AM Subject: Re: Storing Preps > Thanks, David. > > I've heard that the peat moss protects from wave contamination, such > as electromagnetic (e.g. wall current) contamination. -Allan >
Re: Fly larvae in European farm liquid manure slurry: identification
When I was farming at the Kimberton Hills BD farm we had rat-tailed larvae in our liquid manure tank, they seemed quite happy in there ! Here in Scotland we have two 5000 gal. underground tanks to collect the dairy washings. I add lots of BC, it's a great way of getting all the preps over all the fields, when I spray it out with the tanker. It is too dark to see who is living down there ! Gideon. - Original Message - From: "Vere Scott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "BDnow Discussion list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 11:13 PM Subject: Fly larvae in European farm liquid manure slurry: identification > I recall when visiting a European organic (not sure if it was biodynamic > --- would a biodynamic farm have a slurry pit?) farm in 1984 I saw these > astonishingly large larvae (I believe they were fly maggots) exiting a > large, partially below-ground, slurry pit. After growing by consuming the > slurry, they were leaving and moving away from the liquid manure, I assume > to pupate in the soil. No one on the farm gave them a second glance. I > assume therefore that they were beneficial or at least not pestiferous. > This was in either Germany or Switzerland. Would anyone know their > approximate identity? To what family of diptera they might have belonged? > > Since nettle water and other fermenting plant extracts smells remarkably > like liquid hog manure (a point not often emphasized, let alone mentioned, > in popular biodynamic literature!) I assume certain flies would be > attracted to lay eggs in the concoction. I keep my nettle water loosely > covered during fermentation. I've had no flies developing in it. The > odour is not all that bad. I live in an urban residential area on a > 25-foot wide lot. My neighbours don't complain about, or perhaps even > notice, the odours of which I'm acutely aware. > > There is quite a lot of work being done currently on using the (tropical > and subtropical) black soldier fly larvae (Hermetia illucens (L.)) to help > reduce organic waste. See: http://www.ads.uga.edu/annrpt/1995/95_311.htm. > I don't think this was the species I saw. > > Vere. >
Re: Hawaiian BD
There used to be a guy called Patrick on this list, I am not sure if he is still lurking ..Allan do you know ?? He is from Hawai'i. Otherwise Phyl Dwyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] does the BD newsletter/admin. there. Hope this helps, Gideon. - Original Message - From: "Lance Howard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 4:15 AM Subject: Hawaiian BD > My sister-in-law in Kauai is having trouble with insects and disease in her > garden. I told her I would try to connect her with some BD practitioners > out there. Anyone on the list out there? Lance >
Re: 24-hours later: Re: Thun's Working with the Stars 2002 (?)
Allan, N.P.T. started on Wednesday 10th. of July at 9 a.m., and will finish on Sunday the 21st. at 7 p.m. (all BST). hope this helps, Gideon. - Original Message - From: "Allan Balliett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 6:55 AM Subject: 24-hours later: Re: Thun's Working with the Stars 2002 (?) > I still maintain that optimism that we can all work together to make > the world a better place. > > Does anyone else have a copy of this little book and could they find > the time to give me Thun's coming dates for Northern planting period? > Post here or to me off-line at [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Thanks -Allan > > >If you have a copy this (can't find mine...), would you mind telling > >me when the next Northern planting period begins and ends? > > > >Thanks > > > >-Allan >
Re: calves running with the herd
In theory if you are calving all year round, it shouldn't be too difficult. All you need is well fenced paddocks and raceways, and a calf 'creep' , so they can have somewhere to go to when the herd is being milked, pref. with some meal and hay. It would lessen the potential damage if the herd cows are dehorned ! An organic Armish farmer in PA (USA) was doing it when I was out there, and he reckoned it was pretty simple, changing his head was the hardest part. Gideon. - Original Message - From: K M Davey To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 7:25 AM Subject: calves running with the herd I milk 150 cows and have been thinking of leaving the calves on the cows in the herd for 3 months but don't know enough about it. Can anyone shed any light on this at this herd size Thank you Kym Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. Click Here
Re: Cows
better start setting up a box scheme like Hugh has done. Gideon. - Original Message - From: "D & S Chamberlain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 6:44 AM Subject: Re: Cows > If I could get that much per beast I'd move the family out of the house and > the cows in. > David C > > - Original Message - > From: "Hugh Lovel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, 30 May 2002 11:46 PM > Subject: Re: Cows > Snip > > Selling it direct I get about $3.50/lb average with T-Bones bringing > $7.00/lb and soup bones $1.00/lb. With a 1,000 lb animal on the hoof that > dresses out at 500 lbs. that comes to roughly $1,700 per animal, which is > way, way over beef prices. Of course, I'll have about 300 in butchering and > wrapping costs, so the net is under $1,500 and when I add up all the other > costs it is under $1,000. Still worth it. > > > > Best, > > Hugh Lovel > > Visit our website at: www.unionag.org > > > > >
Re: Cows
Some dairy farmers have 'nurse' cows, who are semi-retired dairy cows which for different reasons, ( high cell count, only three quarters working, etc. ) provide milk for a batch of calves, 3 or 4, for up to 3 months. Calves always grow best with a cow, as opposed to being bucket fed. I have also heard of some farmers letting their calves run with the dairy herd in the fields, aand then having their own space to go to when the herd gets milked. Other than that, I am afraid that most dairy farms BD or otherwise, take the calves away from the cow between 4 and 21 days. It can vary with the cow, some will call for their calves for days, others will not bat an eyelid. Our calves get fed fresh, raw, blood temp. milk twice a day for three months, about 4 litres/day. Cheers, Gideon. - Original Message - From: "Deborah Byron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 3:33 PM Subject: Cows > I've often been impressed with the reverence I've heard expressed on > this list for the cow and the spiritual qualities cows bring to the > farm. So I just have to ask a question that puzzles me--is taking 3 day > old calves away from their mothers the norm even among BD farmers? To > someone unfamilial with cow management, it sounds way to early to be > good for either mother or calf. > > Warm regards, > Deborah >
Re: Cows
and a little bit more !! I have a pedigree Aberdeen Angus Bull (of course) which I use on the dairy cows, and his daughters provide the tastiest steaks I have ever had ! The fat in the muscle tissue adds to the flavour and taste, when it is BBQ'd ! Meat without the fat is tasteless. I also have no problems keeping them in the field, unless there is nothing left to eat of course. cheers, Gideon. Original Message - From: "Lloyd Charles" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 3:11 AM Subject: Re: Cows > Hi Pam > You should be pretty confused by now with all the different > advice so here's a bit more to add >1 Angus not a good idea - they are difficult to handle unless you're used > to them - they stir up very easy - its part of the breed and are picky > eaters as well which leads to them escaping from lawful custody unless the > fences are excellent. A black steer standing in the middle of the road at > night blinking into the lights is a problem. The reason they are so popular > is that Japanese consumers (who pay the highest price for beef) prefer and > will only eat marbled beef - thats little veins of fat interspersed through > the tissues - this is largely a breed characteristic that angus and english > shorthorn have and hereford cattle dont have (highly developed in Japanese > waygu too) - and this characteristic has come to be associated (mistakenly) > with tenderness in beef - so we have the highest price paid for lot fed > angus beef. Tenderness has very little to do with breed or even age - its > pure and simple a lack of muscle tone from the animal standing around and > getting no excercise - grass fed meat is always going to be more chewy > because the animals are fitter. > 2 see if you can get crossbred calves from a dairy - the proper black > baldy (hereford / holstein cross) are really good - expect to pay at least > three times as much compared to straight holstein calves - but well worth it > ! >3 That holstein steer calf will most likely be two year old and six foot > tall before he is in good enough condition to eat > 4 Jersey and guernsey cattle put down very yellow fat which is > objectionable to many people - but if you want a quiet milk cow a hand > reared jersey is ideal (strange thing is the jersey bull is a nasty > untrustworthy critter) >Take your time and have fun > Lloyd Charles >
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Re: Agri-Synthesis sprays (CAUTION: Contains Critical Comments!!)
dear Greg, i guess I am just too stoopid to make the connection between BD remedies and reclaiming the hairline - i thought I had maybe got a crossed message/advert from a hairdressing list !! whilst I have no problem with anyone getting suitably renumerated for the work they do, the hairspray advert simply struck me as somewhat bizarre and funny, and coming from you I just couldn't resist ! PS I can spare you a dread or two, if you are really desperate ? Gideon. - Original Message - From: "bdnow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 12:30 AM Subject: Fwd: Re: Agri-Synthesis sprays (CAUTION: Contains Critical Comments!!) > >Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 13:34:34 -0800 > >From: Greg Willis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >X-Accept-Language: en > >To: Allan Balliett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: Re: Agri-Synthesis sprays > > > > > > > >Dear Allan, > > > >In response to the following: > > > >Re: Forwarded, Jane, from Greg without judgment. Hopefully, Greg will > >explain more to us about his new insights and marketing approaches. > > > >I guess I could get excited about 1000's of middle-aged men walking > >around with potentized preps on their heads in this country! > > > >-Allan > > > >Steiner said to get his remedies out to the world and that will save > >agriculture. I am doing just that. > > > >I have for years found it incomprehensible this narrow point of view > >that anyone who practices Steiner's methods should pass on the benefits > >to others without any compensation. In the past 9 years, I've spent > >over $600,000 developing Steiner's ideas. Now Gidion questions why I > >should be compensated for my time, effort and money. That's not even > >worth a response except to say this. Only an idiot or a moron would > >believe even for one second that people don't do EVERYTHING for some > >reward. Even saints do good acts in the expectation that this will get > >them a return ticket to Heaven. > > > >As I have said repeatedly for years, unless and until the people who > >practice what they call "biodynamic" agriculture and gardening get out > >from under their narrow little focus and see the broader picture and > >potential of Steiner's ideas, incorporate them with their own ideas and > >the ideas of others of like mind, "biodynamic" ag. will continue to > >wallow in the backwaters of the world and we'll continue to endure > >stupid carping about how "It sure shows where certain people's > >priorities lie." Personally, I don't like not having enough money to do > >anything I want to do. I'd like to know who "certain people" are. > >Anyway, this is nothing worth talking about right now. > > > >We have field sprays, food and wine sprays and hair sprays and they all > >work. We're investigating any number of medical applications for our > >sprays. My girlfriend takes a bath in the remedies and it calms her > >down and softens her skin. She loves it. The other night, she went to > >her chapel and was able to meditate and pray for 4 straight hours. I'd > >say she's on to something. We've also been able to cure, in part or in > >whole, every plant disease we've encountered. > > > >The other day, one of my friends banged his hand badly. Had a big > >hematoma on his hand. Sprayed it with our hair sprays and within 2 > >minutes the pain was gone, Within 30 minutes, the stiffness was gone. > >The only thing he could say was "This shouldn't be happening." I told > >Hugh about this and he just laughed. I have some keratosis on the back > >of my hands. I've been spraying my left hand for 2 weeks. The > >keratosis is almost gone. My right hand looks the same. I sprayed it > >on my face and in 24 hours, my facial skin was smoother and softer, > >especially around my eyes, and no dark lines under my eyes (I haven't > >been getting much sleep lately). My girlfriend says I look 3 or 4 years > >younger. > > > >My suggestion to everyone is try our hair spray and get some great > >stories of your own. > > > >Contrast this with those who sit in their apartments all day in front of > >a computer criticizing everything but not accomplishing much. Compare > >this with the many new remedies and uses of Steiner's remedies that have > >come out of the BDA, JPI and Demeter in the past 60 years (which, for > >those of you who are new to bdnow, is NOTHING. AP, with his limited > >knowledge of Steiner has accomplished more than they have. Just shows > >you don't have to be smart to be successful with RS, just innovative, > >strong and intuitive. > > > >Look folks, if you know how to make them work, Steiner's remedies will > >work. If you don't know how to make them work, buy ours. They work. > > > >There's a radio personality out here in SFO-Land who reports the oddball > >news. He ends his broadcasts with this message which everyone should > >take to heart. CAUTION: It offends those with weak minds. It m
Re: From Greg Willis: Agri-Synthesis sprays
Sorry to be so high and mighty Chris, I have always had a problem with mr Willis, and this just reconfirms my feelings. (he also has a long and colourful history with this list) what is wrong with being bald anyway ? why not just deal and accept it ? ps what has reclaiming lost hairlines to do with BD ag. ?? Dreadlocked Gideon. - Original Message - From: "Chris Shade" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 9:54 PM Subject: Re: From Greg Willis: Agri-Synthesis sprays > Yeah, alot of BDNower's love to ride the high horse > and claim their BD piety - bold, selfless healers of > the earth, bursting with cosmic love for all (unless > you sell hair tonics) and immune to the need for > money. Chill out. Non-chemically resoring life to > the hairline is a hell of a step forward. And if he > makes a ton, maybe he can underwrite some real > alternative Ag research. > > > Chris > > --- Gil Robertson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I am concerned about the negative reaction to Greg's > > Post. > > Baldness is more than cosmetic, look at the added > > potential for skin > > cancer. If he has come up with a useful potion, why > > not? > > > > Gil > > > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! > http://greetings.yahoo.com >
Re: From Greg Willis: Agri-Synthesis sprays
It sure shows where certain people's priorities lie. The pursuit of the Yankee dollar over healing the Earth. unfortunately I fear this is no joke. gideon. - Original Message - From: "bdnow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 3:58 AM Subject: From Greg Willis: Agri-Synthesis sprays > >Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 14:14:26 -0800 > >From: Greg Willis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >X-Accept-Language: en > >To: Allan Balliett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: Agri-Synthesis sprays > > > >Dear Allan, > > > >I can now announce that we have formulated our sprays such that when > >sprayed on your hair daily, they stimulate the growth of hair from hair > >follicles on your head that are not dead but dormant. > > > >The hair line on my forehead has moved a full inch forward. It works > >quickly. In just 2 weeks after starting a daily application of our > >water based homeopathic herbal/mineral spray, most people will see tiny > >little hairs growing out of your scalp. Your skin will become smoother > >and softer with fewer wrinkles. So far, those who have tried it have > >seen up to a 1/4" growth of new hair in bald spots in only 4 weeks. The > >hair coming in is closer in color to your original hair color. > > > >In short, it brings life back to your hair and skin. > > > >I have discussed this new discovery with Hugh Lovel and Lorraine Cahill > >who are very excited about it. > > > >The introductory price for our hair spray is $99 for a six month supply > >plus $5 shipping and handling. Compared to Rogaine®, which sells for > >about $60 for a month's supply, or $360 for 6 months, it's positively > >cheap. It works faster than Rogaine® and contains no artificial > >ingredients or poisons. The organic herbs and minerals added to the > >purified spring water that makes up the base are at a concentration of > >less than one part per billion. > > > >We have a sufficient supply in stock and ready to ship to handle any > >order size up to 5,000 bottles. > > > >Please post this on bdnow. Thanks. > > > >Greg Willis > >Agri-Synthesis®, Inc. > >POB 10007 > >Napa, CA 94581 >
Fw: pto driven pumps
- Original Message - From: Gideon Cowen To: b d now Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 8:29 AM Subject: pto driven pumps Dear All, Following the indications in the Sattler/Wistinghausen book about spraying 500 when the forces of crystalisation are at their strongest in the Earth, (mid Jan. to mid Feb.). I stirred up a batch last week, dumped it in the tractor-mounted spray rig and set off across the fields, engaged the pto and nothing happened !! Now the queston is, do I need to fork out to repair the pto-driven diaphram pump or will a slightly cheaper 'Hypro' make, roller pump do ?? What is the established wisdom on this list, a roller pump would not be suitable for spraying compost teas because of the violent mechanics involved, but surely with 500 we are dealing with forces, right ?? Gideon.
