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Title: Re: Mad cow update ect... Lloyd You wrote last week Hi Markess >You've instanced Johnies disease - we have it rampant in south east aussie at the moment (sip) It has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with meat protein feeding - these are sheep run on open grazing country - grass fed animals! The fact that there is a huge soil imbalance problem (calcium is under 20% CEC in many of the worst areas) has escaped the scrutiny of officialdom, some farmers in the fine wool areas are loosing over 20% of their flock annually, while others that test infected but have decent soil test numbers are not experiencing mortalities much different than uninfected. Its a transmissable disease and there is a vaccine, no one has wanted to look at the soil mineral side of this . common factors are : extremely low calcium; acidity sufficient to make available aluminium high (enough to be detrimental to pasture growth); a long 50+years history of superphosphate fertiliser (high cadmium in early days) My point & understanding of dis-eases that in corporate micro-organisms & possible most parasites is that they (the secondary organisms) are only trying to clean out the garbage in the primary bodies. Whether this is garbage from rendered parts or poisoned range feed is beside the point. Toxicity of food in this case is being handled by several organisms. SEs have no secondary organism involvement - only the primary! >(from one of your earlier posts)The other & most important Manganese soars was downed Japanese bombers during the war providing the tribes with their first metal pots & pans. The metal a Alu & Mng alloy >???I thought the metal used in aircraft was aluminium - magnesium alloy - manganese is used extensively in steel making to bring hardness/toughness but aircraft are mostly made of the silver metals? Seeing neither of us know first hand on this one we will have to just smile and realize we all collect the data to support our personal belief system as you pointed out with your hipperoony observation! Blessings In love & Light Markess ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
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On Wed, 28 May 2003, Allan Balliett wrote: > (Anyone sense that the recent earthquakes were > brought on by the big bombs the US dropped in IRAQ?) YES. definitly had that thought. weren't there also earthquakes after they bombed Afghanistan? ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
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One might also ask why the Warble fly is such a pest and would peppering be part of the remedy? Peter. If you follow the dollar trail, massive amounts of pesticides were applied to 'the entire british herd' at 3 times the normal application rate. It appears to me that the move to eradicate the fly was a move to put a lot of public money into someone's pockets. All the more its about money because the cover up is motivated by the damage suits that would follow if truth were known. It's scarey business to see government, big business, and the press working so well together against the interest of man and Nature. Oh, please add this to my last dozen posts: IMHO -Allan ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
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Lettuces have been the test plant and various mixes and matches of the preparations have been used. She has a list of other questions that I could pass on to anyone who would like to discuss them. I'd like to see these! -Allan ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
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One of the issues that interests me is why there is a need to feed more protien and so much so that meat meal is considered as a source for ruminants with such long digestive tracts? Is it because the application of watersoluble fertilisers particulally nitrogen is reducing the protien levels in plants? My partner Gill Cole is working on some aspects of this for her Master of Science thesis right now. Lettuces have been the test plant and various mixes and matches of the preparations have been used. She has a list of other questions that I could pass on to anyone who would like to discuss them. >From what I've taken from Mark Purdies dissertation we should see that copper zinc and selenium should be well supplied in the soil and the major cations should be well balanced too, plus active use of the Steiner remedies. One might also ask why the Warble fly is such a pest and would peppering be part of the remedy? Peter. - Original Message - From: "Allan Balliett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 3:29 PM Subject: Re: Mad cow update ect... > Just for clarification: > > I think the argument for pasture-fed ruminates has already been won > in the biological farming movement. I do not think that anyone in > this movement who has been paying attention thinks that it is ok to > feed by-products (proteins) or grains, for that matter, to grazing > animals. > The mad cow situation, however, presents not so much a threat to > human health as it does to the future of farming, with governments > given martial law-type powers to destroy herds. Purdey's research > reveals that there is no need to destroy these herds and that the > origins of mad cow (what do we need to say? the ACUTE origins of Mad > Cow Disease...) are in inappropriate government policies (too much > insecticide applied to already imbalanced herds) I'm not too > optimistic that there is anything we can do about what the > governments are doing in response to Mad Cow, primarily because none > of us are clear on what their true motivations are. What I think is > clear is that even through everything is broken, Mad Cow represents a > particularly disconcerting disruption of 'health as usual' and I, for > one, feel much more comfortable with Purdey's explanation than I do > with the 'official' one. > > As for quoting Steiner, well, he also said that farms might taste > better with peppers on them, didn't he? What was he getting at?? > > -Allan > ___ > BDNow mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > You can unsubscribe or change your options at: > http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
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Just for clarification: I think the argument for pasture-fed ruminates has already been won in the biological farming movement. I do not think that anyone in this movement who has been paying attention thinks that it is ok to feed by-products (proteins) or grains, for that matter, to grazing animals. I agree that we live in a self-made cesspool, a world we've thrown out of balance. (Anyone sense that the recent earthquakes were brought on by the big bombs the US dropped in IRAQ?) We also know that it is a problem that is not going to be readily solved because there is so little agreement about its sources or solutions. The mad cow situation, however, presents not so much a threat to human health as it does to the future of farming, with governments given martial law-type powers to destroy herds. Purdey's research reveals that there is no need to destroy these herds and that the origins of mad cow (what do we need to say? the ACUTE origins of Mad Cow Disease...) are in inappropriate government policies (too much insecticide applied to already imbalanced herds) I'm not too optimistic that there is anything we can do about what the governments are doing in response to Mad Cow, primarily because none of us are clear on what their true motivations are. What I think is clear is that even through everything is broken, Mad Cow represents a particularly disconcerting disruption of 'health as usual' and I, for one, feel much more comfortable with Purdey's explanation than I do with the 'official' one. As for quoting Steiner, well, he also said that farms might taste better with peppers on them, didn't he? What was he getting at?? -Allan ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
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Title: Re: Mad cow update ect... - Original Message - From: Turtle Bend To: Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 5:27 AM Subject: Re: Mad cow update ect... Chris you wrote a bit ago. I don't have the book here but RS wrote That if you feed cows meat the cowswill become deranged and you will get a mad heard. From "Nutrition andStimulants" Lectures by Rudolf SteinerIt seems as though Rudolf Steiner's research has not left a permanentimpression on this group.This is not taking anything away from Marks work, there is just more at workthan crude chemistry. BD hopefully focuses its attention on more subtleenergies that are much more elusive to typical modern thinking than looking for the obvious material answers.(snip) Hi Markess I agree with Chris' wrting above - he just said it a lot nicer then me! It seems everybody is shooting from the hip on this one - understandable I guess given the situation in Canada. >There are indeed many dis-eases that stem from feeding meat/by-pass protein - Jonies (sp?) etc.You've instanced Johnies disease - we have it rampant in south east aussie at the moment, being treated as a quarantine and slaughter proposition except that the powers the be are not paying compensation, are inflicting the quarantine and have chosen to let the wasting disease take its course rather than paying slaughter compo - kind of starve em out. Sheep farmers are going broke everywhere over this. It has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with meat protein feeding - these are sheep run on open grazing country - grass fed animals! The fact that there is a huge soil imbalance problem (calcium is under 20% CEC in many of the worst areas) has escaped the scrutiny of officialdom, some farmers in the fine wool areas are loosing over 20% of their flock annually, while others that test infected but have decent soil test numbers are not experiencing mortalities much different than uninfected. Its a transmissable disease and there is a vaccine, no one has wanted to look at the soil mineral side of this . common factors are : extremely low calcium; acidity sufficient to make available aluminium high (enough to be detrimental to pasture growth); a long 50+years history of superphosphate fertiliser (high cadmium in early days) >(from one of your earlier posts)The other & most important Manganese soars was downed Japanese bombers during the war providing the tribes with their first metal pots & pans. The metal a Alu & Mng alloy ???I thought the metal used in aircraft was aluminium - magnesium alloy - manganese is used extensively in steel making to bring hardness/toughness but aircraft are mostly made of the silver metals? Cheers Lloyd Charles ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
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Title: Re: Mad cow update ect... Chris you wrote a bit ago. I don't have the book here but RS wrote That if you feed cows meat the cows will become deranged and you will get a mad heard. From "Nutrition and Stimulants" Lectures by Rudolf Steiner It seems as though Rudolf Steiner's research has not left a permanent impression on this group. This is not taking anything away from Marks work, there is just more at work than crude chemistry. BD hopefully focuses its attention on more subtle energies that are much more elusive to typical modern thinking than looking for the obvious material answers.(snip) There are indeed many dis-eases that stem from feeding meat/by-pass protein - Jonies (sp?) etc. I do not believe SEs are one of them. The historic data appears to most strongly support that in certain terrain's and areas (Iceland and possibly here in the North Blue Mounds area of WI USA.) the terra firma herself seems to be the largest contributing factor. The terra factor has a major role in setting up the prerequisites for a particular set that need a human precipitating factor. Then some are totally man made in vBSE and vCJD and I see a vCWD in captive herds. In the later group animal by-products were feed sources for a factor that still require a great set of input to set the wholistic pattern to destruction. But Chris you are -from what I hear from you- setting up a reductionistic cause = outcome equation that does not hold water do to the vast amounts of this feed that is used around the world and a overall incidents of 1 in a million of SEs. Please note that the term Mad-Cow described a blank stare and drooling. I do think you had made a great point a while back with pointing out the nature of all di-ease is an energetic in nature. The governments mis & dis -information of prion mis-folding is a great example! L*L Markess ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
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I don't have the book here but RS wrote That if you feed cows meat the cows will become deranged and you will get a mad heard. From "Nutrition and Stimulants" Lectures by Rudolf Steiner It seems as though Rudolf Steiner's research has not left a permanent impression on this group. This is not taking anything away from Marks work, there is just more at work than crude chemistry. BD hopefully focuses its attention on more subtle energies that are much more elusive to typical modern thinking than looking for the obvious material answers. Any theory that downplays or ignores the implications of feeding herbivores meat as one of and possible the most important element in the degradation of the health of the herd is something I may be able to learn from but not being something that I can fully support, as it cannot be balanced, just the opposite of the readily accepted theories. As for deer, man and other beings being affected. The entire world is out of balance. This makes it incredibly easy for new diseases to surface, mutate, surface again, etc.and we continue to look for smoking guns. This is paramount to standing in polluted sludge your whole life while trying to prove that it is only the excess copper in the sludge that is making you sick. As for Marks research there is great truth in it. The whole truth is however both much more complex and much simpler. If there is interest in exploring the myriad of influences that lead to the current situation of rampant disease, than it will be a joy to remain here. If we on this list tend towards more conventional explanations then my time is better spent elsewhere. Peace, Chris ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
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I don't know much about the origins of Mad Cow, but in reading the reply that was posted, I was not clear on whether or not Purdey was saying it was the result of radioactivity? Lucia On Wed, 28 May 2003, Allan Balliett wrote: > Thanks for this profound post, Markess. > > I remind everyone: if you want to discuss this the origins of Mad Cow > and other 'wasting diseases' with Mark Purdey, please post any > questions you have to the list. This discussion will be driven by > your questions and comments and will not, I am told, fly into your > mouth like roast pigeon. > > This is a great opportunity. I pray that we as a group do not miss it. > > -Allan > ___ > BDNow mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > You can unsubscribe or change your options at: > http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow > -- -lucia http://lrw.net - "No, my friend, the way to have good and safe government, is not to trust it all to one, but to divide it among the many, distributing to every one exactly the functions he is competent to. It is by dividing and subdividing these republics from the national one down through all its subordinations, until it ends in the administration of every man's farm by himself; by placing under every one what his own eye may superintend, that all will be done for the best". -- Thomas Jefferson, to Joseph Cabell, 1816 _ () ascii ribbon campaign - against html mail /\- against microsoft attachments ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
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Thanks for this profound post, Markess. I remind everyone: if you want to discuss this the origins of Mad Cow and other 'wasting diseases' with Mark Purdey, please post any questions you have to the list. This discussion will be driven by your questions and comments and will not, I am told, fly into your mouth like roast pigeon. This is a great opportunity. I pray that we as a group do not miss it. -Allan ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
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Allan and Mark, I for one appreciate your attempts to have this discussion of SEs a useful investigation of how our most fundamental interactions with the Elementals take place. These glyco-metalico-protiens (Prions) and there are many in all systems of the flesh body and most likely in all physical organisms, are to this point almost unidentified and recognized for the vast roles they play. To just write them off as being affects of modernity do them and our bodies a disservice. These glyco-metalico-protiens set the very pattern of our nervous system. They more then likely are the very reason this list oohs and ahs over mysomal (sp?) structures. How the light energy (& QI) travels to the rootlets and filaments of our underground soil structure. Yes this subject of wasting dis-eases attracts the wants of many people to make themselves feel better buy bashing the sudo-culture we find ourselves in ... but to what end? L*L Markess ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
