Re: [Blackbelly] More on Diatomaceous Earth
Thanks Dayna, Hopefully something a little less expensive is available. I am holding off until the Basic H comes...the lambs are not "clinical" and may be getting enough nutrition to be able to deal with the cocci without treatment, since they should be developing an immunity by this time. Barb - Original Message - From: "Dayna Denmark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 6:19 PM Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] More on Diatomaceous Earth > > > Barb, > Check out the website wolfcreekranch.net to read about a holistic > approach to cocci. I have not personally tried any of their products > but since I am leaning towards raising sheep without chemicals I may > try some. > ___ > This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list > Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info > > ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] More on Diatomaceous Earth
Barb, Check out the website wolfcreekranch.net to read about a holistic approach to cocci. I have not personally tried any of their products but since I am leaning towards raising sheep without chemicals I may try some. ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] More on Diatomaceous Earth
With the Basic-H treatment, you should find parts of the parasite itself, and not just eggs. The premise behind using a 'detergent' is the use of the detergent to destroy the protective oily/waxy coating of the parasite, exposing it to the enzymes and acids of the digestive process. Keep that in mind while peering through the microscope. Terry W --- Barb Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: That's another nice thing about having > the > microscope...you can kind of monitor even cocci loads and > treat before > they start getting "clinical." > > Would be interesting to know if the gentleman has a more > natural > treatment for cocci...I ordered 1/2 gal of Basic H > today...just about > exactly what I paid for a gallon a year or so ago, but > it's supposed to > be concentrated, and is now also apparently certified > organic. Anyway, > I'll be much better prepared to see if it works on the > parasites than > the last time I tried it! > > Barb Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/ ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
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Not a problem here...zero water stands on the ground as a rule. I think it's just "that time of year." W. Oregon is damp and temperate through fall and most of winter, ideal time for all the little parasites to thrive. I think the timing just has the lambs at the right stage for cocci to show up. That's another nice thing about having the microscope...you can kind of monitor even cocci loads and treat before they start getting "clinical." Would be interesting to know if the gentleman has a more natural treatment for cocci...I ordered 1/2 gal of Basic H today...just about exactly what I paid for a gallon a year or so ago, but it's supposed to be concentrated, and is now also apparently certified organic. Anyway, I'll be much better prepared to see if it works on the parasites than the last time I tried it! Barb - Original Message - From: "Terry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 9:13 AM Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] More on Diatomaceous Earth > Barb-- > what is the puddling situation like in your paddocks? A > neighbor nearby lost 48 katahdin lambs and adults a couple > springs ago to cocci that 'took off' when the fields > puddled up. He had noticed the animals were drinking less > water from the water troughs, and assumed it was because > they were getting enough from the wet grasses-- turns out, > they were drinking from shallow puddles that were not > visible above the taller grasses.I could ask him what he > uses for that-- he also does everything as naturally as > possible. HAs some pretty nice looking animals to show for > it, too. > > Terry W > > > --- Barb Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I AM getting a positive on cocci in the lambs though and >> I haven't seen >> much here on alternative cocci control. I treated once >> with Corid that >> knocked the numbers to near zero, but they're rising >> again. I don't >> like the coccidiostats because they've all got some >> serious downsides. >> >> Hmm, I'd better get that jug of Basic-H ordered! >> >> Barb >> > > > > > Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. > Make Yahoo! your homepage. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > ___ > This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list > Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info > > ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
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Barb-- what is the puddling situation like in your paddocks? A neighbor nearby lost 48 katahdin lambs and adults a couple springs ago to cocci that 'took off' when the fields puddled up. He had noticed the animals were drinking less water from the water troughs, and assumed it was because they were getting enough from the wet grasses-- turns out, they were drinking from shallow puddles that were not visible above the taller grasses.I could ask him what he uses for that-- he also does everything as naturally as possible. HAs some pretty nice looking animals to show for it, too. Terry W --- Barb Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I AM getting a positive on cocci in the lambs though and > I haven't seen > much here on alternative cocci control. I treated once > with Corid that > knocked the numbers to near zero, but they're rising > again. I don't > like the coccidiostats because they've all got some > serious downsides. > > Hmm, I'd better get that jug of Basic-H ordered! > > Barb > Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
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Terry, My silly rams won't take any mineral free choice...no kelp no TM salt, no Fertrell's no nothing. Finally bought them a Sweetlix sheep and goat block and they're working on that a little. Whaveter they get has to go on their morsel of grain. Durn critters. Glad to hear it's working in your operation. I'm going to go back and try Basic-H again, now that I can see what's happening, although with the current program, there doesn't seem to be much need. I The Fertrell's mineral mix has DE in it. I AM getting a positive on cocci in the lambs though and I haven't seen much here on alternative cocci control. I treated once with Corid that knocked the numbers to near zero, but they're rising again. I don't like the coccidiostats because they've all got some serious downsides. Hmm, I'd better get that jug of Basic-H ordered! Barb - Original Message - From: "Terry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 6:47 AM Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] More on Diatomaceous Earth > Barb, > You can consider free choice DE when you have the > numbers down where you want them. Offer the DE in a feeder > the way some people offer the minerals. > > I started using DE on my Rabbit herd about a month ago-- > and the change in food consumptoion is wonderful. It has > dropped by 10%, the lighter animals are reganing proper > condition, the juniors are right on the mark for growth and > weight gain. Nails are stronger (a mixed blessing). > > Some people even use DE as a dust if body or hair parasites > are present-- dust/rub it in the way Sevin dust usually is. > Supposedly, DE will even cut the exoskeleton of fleas. I > haven't had the need to use DE for external reasons, but > knowing how it cuts internal parasites up, I am for it!!! > > Terry W > > --- Barb Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> The rams reported in this morning with five H. Contortus >> eggs, 250 eggs >> per gram. That is negligible. They are getting 1/2 tsp >> DE per day >> (that's actually a lot of dust on a small grain ration), >> and were moved >> to a paddock that had been rested for 30 days. Could be >> also, that the >> worms are going into hypobiosis (dormancy). We've had a >> couple of nice >> frosts, so hopefully that will help kill some of the >> larvae in the other >> paddock. Will shift them back next week, another 30 day >> rotation (life >> cycle of worms is 21 days). >> >> Totally inconclusive, but parasite management is an >> integrated effort, >> and I am sure happy with today's report. Will keep >> checking in on this. >> >> Regards, >> Barb L. >> >> >> ___ >> This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list >> Visit the list's homepage at >> %http://www.blackbellysheep.info >> > > > > > > Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. > Make Yahoo! your homepage. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > ___ > This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list > Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info > > ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
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Barb, You can consider free choice DE when you have the numbers down where you want them. Offer the DE in a feeder the way some people offer the minerals. I started using DE on my Rabbit herd about a month ago-- and the change in food consumptoion is wonderful. It has dropped by 10%, the lighter animals are reganing proper condition, the juniors are right on the mark for growth and weight gain. Nails are stronger (a mixed blessing). Some people even use DE as a dust if body or hair parasites are present-- dust/rub it in the way Sevin dust usually is. Supposedly, DE will even cut the exoskeleton of fleas. I haven't had the need to use DE for external reasons, but knowing how it cuts internal parasites up, I am for it!!! Terry W --- Barb Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The rams reported in this morning with five H. Contortus > eggs, 250 eggs > per gram. That is negligible. They are getting 1/2 tsp > DE per day > (that's actually a lot of dust on a small grain ration), > and were moved > to a paddock that had been rested for 30 days. Could be > also, that the > worms are going into hypobiosis (dormancy). We've had a > couple of nice > frosts, so hopefully that will help kill some of the > larvae in the other > paddock. Will shift them back next week, another 30 day > rotation (life > cycle of worms is 21 days). > > Totally inconclusive, but parasite management is an > integrated effort, > and I am sure happy with today's report. Will keep > checking in on this. > > Regards, > Barb L. > > > ___ > This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list > Visit the list's homepage at > %http://www.blackbellysheep.info > Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[Blackbelly] More on Diatomaceous Earth
The rams reported in this morning with five H. Contortus eggs, 250 eggs per gram. That is negligible. They are getting 1/2 tsp DE per day (that's actually a lot of dust on a small grain ration), and were moved to a paddock that had been rested for 30 days. Could be also, that the worms are going into hypobiosis (dormancy). We've had a couple of nice frosts, so hopefully that will help kill some of the larvae in the other paddock. Will shift them back next week, another 30 day rotation (life cycle of worms is 21 days). Totally inconclusive, but parasite management is an integrated effort, and I am sure happy with today's report. Will keep checking in on this. Regards, Barb L. ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
