Re: [blfs-support] Sharing or Transferring Files Between Computers
Op 16-okt.-2014, om 18:18 heeft Dan McGhee het volgende geschreven: >>> (…) >>> Yes, I want to keep things very simple and do only what I need to. Right >>> now, I’m using LFS-7.5 without an X environment. My plan originally was to >>> build a total distro from 7.6. That may even be delayed because of the >>> UEFI stuff that I’m doing. >>> >>> However, it is important to me now to share files between my Mac and >>> laptop. I the only thing I know about Avahi and bonjour is that they are >>> zeroconf services. In looking at the build page of Avahi, it looks like I >>> need an X environment to have it build and run. That’s too much to do with >>> my current plans. I think I’ll have to settle for only NFS and wait to do >>> the other things until I build my whole distro. > > (…) > The concept of bonjour and avahi looks quite simple, and since I’m dealing > with only two machines, is attractive. > > Thanks again. > Dan > You don’t need an X environment on the LFS box to run Avahi and Netatalk. With your Mac as client and the LFS box as server, you easily transfer files between the Mac and the LFS box (in both directions) by dragging them in the Finder. The LFS box is shown by the Finder like any other local disk/partition. pvg > -- > http://lists.linuxfromscratch.org/listinfo/blfs-support > FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html > Unsubscribe: See the above information page -- http://lists.linuxfromscratch.org/listinfo/blfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [blfs-support] Sharing or Transferring Files Between Computers
On Oct 16, 2014, at 11:06 AM, Armin K. wrote: > On 10/16/2014 05:49 PM, Dan McGhee wrote: >> >> On Oct 13, 2014, at 8:17 PM, William Harrington >> wrote: >> >>> >>> On Oct 12, 2014, at 7:25, Dan McGhee wrote: >>> I want to ultimately use all my external and salvaged hard drives on both my (soon to be completely) linux laptop and my iMac. That part is simple. Back up what I don't want to lose and then reformat those drives. >>> >>> For over a decade, I’ve had windows, OS X, Solaris, and Linux environment >>> and would use samba for all of it. >>> >>> However, if you are scrapping windows, there is bonjour you can use with OS >>> X and linux. Bonjour (zeroconf) is what you may want if only needing to >>> deal with a linux OS and Mac OS X. >>> >> Yes, I want to keep things very simple and do only what I need to. Right >> now, I’m using LFS-7.5 without an X environment. My plan originally was to >> build a total distro from 7.6. That may even be delayed because of the UEFI >> stuff that I’m doing. >> >> However, it is important to me now to share files between my Mac and laptop. >> I the only thing I know about Avahi and bonjour is that they are zeroconf >> services. In looking at the build page of Avahi, it looks like I need an X >> environment to have it build and run. That’s too much to do with my current >> plans. I think I’ll have to settle for only NFS and wait to do the other >> things until I build my whole distro. >> > > If you only need the DNS-SD service, then you don't need an X > environment. GTK+2 and GTK+3 are needed by some of the desktop packages > that integrate with Avahi for DNS-SD capabilities as well for some GUI > programs provided in the avahi source. libdaemon should be enough for > the avahi-daemon (main DNS-SD service program) to get built. Armin, you are such a great resource. Thanks. The concept of bonjour and avahi looks quite simple, and since I’m dealing with only two machines, is attractive. Thanks again. Dan -- http://lists.linuxfromscratch.org/listinfo/blfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [blfs-support] Sharing or Transferring Files Between Computers
On 10/16/2014 05:49 PM, Dan McGhee wrote: > > On Oct 13, 2014, at 8:17 PM, William Harrington wrote: > >> >> On Oct 12, 2014, at 7:25, Dan McGhee wrote: >> >>> I want to ultimately use all my external and salvaged hard drives on both >>> my (soon to be completely) linux laptop and my iMac. That part is simple. >>> Back up what I don't want to lose and then reformat those drives. >> >> For over a decade, I’ve had windows, OS X, Solaris, and Linux environment >> and would use samba for all of it. >> >> However, if you are scrapping windows, there is bonjour you can use with OS >> X and linux. Bonjour (zeroconf) is what you may want if only needing to >> deal with a linux OS and Mac OS X. >> >> Now, if you ever need to use windows, you can install a bonjour client for >> that, as well. >> >> There’s nothing wrong with using Samba and linux kernel’s CIFS between Mac >> OS X and Linux, but if you aren’t going to have a Windows machine involved, >> no need. No need to have that and a samba server configured for WINS either. >> >> Keep it simple and use only what you need. Bonjour (zeroconf), or use some >> of what others have stated. I use an iMac, powerbook, multiple windows >> machines, and multiple linux machines with samba just fine. You have it >> quite a bit simpler, so you may want to investigate what I have mentioned >> with bonjour. >> >> Sincerely, >> >> William Harrington > > Thank you for this, William. I don’t know why, but what you said didn’t > register in the “grey cells” until just a little while ago. > > Yes, I want to keep things very simple and do only what I need to. Right > now, I’m using LFS-7.5 without an X environment. My plan originally was to > build a total distro from 7.6. That may even be delayed because of the UEFI > stuff that I’m doing. > > However, it is important to me now to share files between my Mac and laptop. > I the only thing I know about Avahi and bonjour is that they are zeroconf > services. In looking at the build page of Avahi, it looks like I need an X > environment to have it build and run. That’s too much to do with my current > plans. I think I’ll have to settle for only NFS and wait to do the other > things until I build my whole distro. > > I just wanted to acknowledge your thoughts. I’ll hold on to them for the > future however immediate that future is. > > Dan > > If you only need the DNS-SD service, then you don't need an X environment. GTK+2 and GTK+3 are needed by some of the desktop packages that integrate with Avahi for DNS-SD capabilities as well for some GUI programs provided in the avahi source. libdaemon should be enough for the avahi-daemon (main DNS-SD service program) to get built. -- Note: My last name is not Krejzi. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- http://lists.linuxfromscratch.org/listinfo/blfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [blfs-support] Sharing or Transferring Files Between Computers
On Oct 13, 2014, at 8:17 PM, William Harrington wrote: > > On Oct 12, 2014, at 7:25, Dan McGhee wrote: > >> I want to ultimately use all my external and salvaged hard drives on both my >> (soon to be completely) linux laptop and my iMac. That part is simple. >> Back up what I don't want to lose and then reformat those drives. > > For over a decade, I’ve had windows, OS X, Solaris, and Linux environment and > would use samba for all of it. > > However, if you are scrapping windows, there is bonjour you can use with OS X > and linux. Bonjour (zeroconf) is what you may want if only needing to deal > with a linux OS and Mac OS X. > > Now, if you ever need to use windows, you can install a bonjour client for > that, as well. > > There’s nothing wrong with using Samba and linux kernel’s CIFS between Mac OS > X and Linux, but if you aren’t going to have a Windows machine involved, no > need. No need to have that and a samba server configured for WINS either. > > Keep it simple and use only what you need. Bonjour (zeroconf), or use some > of what others have stated. I use an iMac, powerbook, multiple windows > machines, and multiple linux machines with samba just fine. You have it quite > a bit simpler, so you may want to investigate what I have mentioned with > bonjour. > > Sincerely, > > William Harrington Thank you for this, William. I don’t know why, but what you said didn’t register in the “grey cells” until just a little while ago. Yes, I want to keep things very simple and do only what I need to. Right now, I’m using LFS-7.5 without an X environment. My plan originally was to build a total distro from 7.6. That may even be delayed because of the UEFI stuff that I’m doing. However, it is important to me now to share files between my Mac and laptop. I the only thing I know about Avahi and bonjour is that they are zeroconf services. In looking at the build page of Avahi, it looks like I need an X environment to have it build and run. That’s too much to do with my current plans. I think I’ll have to settle for only NFS and wait to do the other things until I build my whole distro. I just wanted to acknowledge your thoughts. I’ll hold on to them for the future however immediate that future is. Dan -- http://lists.linuxfromscratch.org/listinfo/blfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [blfs-support] Sharing or Transferring Files Between Computers
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 08:17:31PM -0500, William Harrington wrote: > > On Oct 12, 2014, at 7:25, Dan McGhee wrote: > > > I want to ultimately use all my external and salvaged hard drives on both > > my (soon to be completely) linux laptop and my iMac. That part is simple. > > Back up what I don't want to lose and then reformat those drives. > > For over a decade, I’ve had windows, OS X, Solaris, and Linux environment and > would use samba for all of it. > > However, if you are scrapping windows, there is bonjour you can use with OS X > and linux. Bonjour (zeroconf) is what you may want if only needing to deal > with a linux OS and Mac OS X. > > Now, if you ever need to use windows, you can install a bonjour client for > that, as well. Probably off-topic for Dan, but I'll mention it anyway: On windows, (at least windows 7, which is all I have) you can install nekodrive, https://code.google.com/p/nekodrive/ - sometimes, I have problems with using that to copy _to_ my server and reboot to linux (after waiting for the dreaded windows updates) where ntfs3g lets me do the necessary. Yes, I have one machine which is able to run windows - needed for tax returns (well, in theory I could perhaps find an adobe PDF _writer_ for linux, but I am reluctant to pollute clean from-source systems), and useful for map updates (I made the mistake of purchasing a TomTom device, only to find that although it runs linux, it needs windows or that apple (expletive deleted) for updates). HDTracks is similar, although there is now very little which they are willing to sell me (unfortunately, they fixed bugs in their code, now it always applies the labels' region restrictions - fortunately, outlets in germany and france can usually provide the HD downloads I'm looking for). [...] > > Keep it simple and use only what you need. I strongly agree with that - in BLFS we don't have nfs v4 (or 4.1) because nobody has taken the time to figure it out - for me, nfs v3 is good enough (although on my netbook, still installing 7.6, I see that for some reason it is using udp instead of tcp - for that, in Ryan's words "I have bigger fish to fry"). ĸen -- Nanny Ogg usually went to bed early. After all, she was an old lady. Sometimes she went to bed as early as 6 a.m. -- http://lists.linuxfromscratch.org/listinfo/blfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [blfs-support] Sharing or Transferring Files Between Computers
On Oct 12, 2014, at 7:25, Dan McGhee wrote: > I want to ultimately use all my external and salvaged hard drives on both my > (soon to be completely) linux laptop and my iMac. That part is simple. Back > up what I don't want to lose and then reformat those drives. For over a decade, I’ve had windows, OS X, Solaris, and Linux environment and would use samba for all of it. However, if you are scrapping windows, there is bonjour you can use with OS X and linux. Bonjour (zeroconf) is what you may want if only needing to deal with a linux OS and Mac OS X. Now, if you ever need to use windows, you can install a bonjour client for that, as well. There’s nothing wrong with using Samba and linux kernel’s CIFS between Mac OS X and Linux, but if you aren’t going to have a Windows machine involved, no need. No need to have that and a samba server configured for WINS either. Keep it simple and use only what you need. Bonjour (zeroconf), or use some of what others have stated. I use an iMac, powerbook, multiple windows machines, and multiple linux machines with samba just fine. You have it quite a bit simpler, so you may want to investigate what I have mentioned with bonjour. Sincerely, William Harrington -- http://lists.linuxfromscratch.org/listinfo/blfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [blfs-support] Sharing or Transferring Files Between Computers
Pierre Labastie wrote: Le 13/10/2014 17:45, Dan McGhee a écrit : On Oct 12, 2014, at 9:15 AM, Dan McGhee wrote: On Oct 12, 2014, at 8:37 AM, Armin K. wrote: Use file sharing, you can choose from: NFS Shares (nfs-utils needed for client and/or server on a Linux box and it's possible that MAC OSX may support NFS out of the box). SMB/CIFS shares (aka Windows Shares - for server support on Linux, Samba is the way to go, while for client you may be able to mount a cifs share without installing any additional components or you have at least to install cifs-utils package). One thing I’m still getting used to on my new iMac is “helpful” help. I’m adding this just for the record. “Out of the box” OS.10 supports AFB, NFS, SMB/CIF and ftp. It’s just a matter of setting up the other machine. The concept of clients are servers is one of those things I thought I understood but really don’t. I’ve looked at a bit of information discussing what each does, but as far as my desires go, I didn’t find the answer to what I want to do. I’m pretty sure that my iMac is both a client and a server for file sharing. If I build and install NFS-utils on my laptop and configure only the client, will I be able to move files both ways? I don’t necessarily want to conduct operations from one machine on the other, I just want to grab stuff from my laptop and put it on my Mac so I can read it. And vice versa. With my current state of knowledge, I know that I need NFS-Utils (my choice from all the options). But what I don’t know is what I need from NFS-Utils on my laptop to do what I want. AFAIK, The client can see, and mount the drives (not necessarily physical drives, sometimes called a "share" rather than a "drive") on the server, while this is not possible the other way around. Once you have mounted a drive on the client, you can use it as if it were local, which means transfer data in both direction (unless mounted readonly). So, if you want to work from the Mac and see what is going on with the laptop, the laptop is the server and the Mac is the client. If you need to work from the laptop, this is the other way around. I you want to work from both, of course, each computer can be client and server at the same time. The server needs to be configured (essentially to define which drives/shares are exported to the potential clients, see "man exports"). I mostly agree with the above, but cringe at the "share" terminology as that is MS specific. Actually what is shared is a directory, not a drive. You can export a single directory tree and whether that is a whole partition depends on what is exported and where a partition is mounted. You don't share a whole "drive" unless the device is partitioned as a single partition. Just being picky. :) -- Bruce -- http://lists.linuxfromscratch.org/listinfo/blfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [blfs-support] Sharing or Transferring Files Between Computers
On Oct 13, 2014, at 11:07 AM, Pierre Labastie wrote: > Le 13/10/2014 17:45, Dan McGhee a écrit : >> On Oct 12, 2014, at 9:15 AM, Dan McGhee wrote: >> >>> On Oct 12, 2014, at 8:37 AM, Armin K. wrote: >>> Use file sharing, you can choose from: NFS Shares (nfs-utils needed for client and/or server on a Linux box and it's possible that MAC OSX may support NFS out of the box). SMB/CIFS shares (aka Windows Shares - for server support on Linux, Samba is the way to go, while for client you may be able to mount a cifs share without installing any additional components or you have at least to install cifs-utils package). >>> One thing I’m still getting used to on my new iMac is “helpful” help. I’m >>> adding this just for the record. “Out of the box” OS.10 supports AFB, NFS, >>> SMB/CIF and ftp. It’s just a matter of setting up the other machine. >>> >> The concept of clients are servers is one of those things I thought I >> understood but really don’t. I’ve looked at a bit of information discussing >> what each does, but as far as my desires go, I didn’t find the answer to >> what I want to do. >> >> I’m pretty sure that my iMac is both a client and a server for file sharing. >> If I build and install NFS-utils on my laptop and configure only the >> client, will I be able to move files both ways? I don’t necessarily want to >> conduct operations from one machine on the other, I just want to grab stuff >> from my laptop and put it on my Mac so I can read it. And vice versa. >> >> With my current state of knowledge, I know that I need NFS-Utils (my choice >> from all the options). But what I don’t know is what I need from NFS-Utils >> on my laptop to do what I want. >> >> > AFAIK, The client can see, and mount the drives (not necessarily physical > drives, sometimes called a "share" rather than a "drive") on the server, > while this is not possible the other way around. Once you have mounted a > drive on the client, you can use it as if it were local, which means transfer > data in both direction (unless mounted readonly). So, if you want to work > from the Mac and see what is going on with the laptop, the laptop is the > server and the Mac is the client. If you need to work from the laptop, this > is the other way around. I you want to work from both, of course, each > computer can be client and server at the same time. The server needs to be > configured (essentially to define which drives/shares are exported to the > potential clients, see "man exports”). Thanks, Pierre. This answers it. Client and server on laptop. Dan -- http://lists.linuxfromscratch.org/listinfo/blfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [blfs-support] Sharing or Transferring Files Between Computers
Le 13/10/2014 17:45, Dan McGhee a écrit : On Oct 12, 2014, at 9:15 AM, Dan McGhee wrote: On Oct 12, 2014, at 8:37 AM, Armin K. wrote: Use file sharing, you can choose from: NFS Shares (nfs-utils needed for client and/or server on a Linux box and it's possible that MAC OSX may support NFS out of the box). SMB/CIFS shares (aka Windows Shares - for server support on Linux, Samba is the way to go, while for client you may be able to mount a cifs share without installing any additional components or you have at least to install cifs-utils package). One thing I’m still getting used to on my new iMac is “helpful” help. I’m adding this just for the record. “Out of the box” OS.10 supports AFB, NFS, SMB/CIF and ftp. It’s just a matter of setting up the other machine. The concept of clients are servers is one of those things I thought I understood but really don’t. I’ve looked at a bit of information discussing what each does, but as far as my desires go, I didn’t find the answer to what I want to do. I’m pretty sure that my iMac is both a client and a server for file sharing. If I build and install NFS-utils on my laptop and configure only the client, will I be able to move files both ways? I don’t necessarily want to conduct operations from one machine on the other, I just want to grab stuff from my laptop and put it on my Mac so I can read it. And vice versa. With my current state of knowledge, I know that I need NFS-Utils (my choice from all the options). But what I don’t know is what I need from NFS-Utils on my laptop to do what I want. AFAIK, The client can see, and mount the drives (not necessarily physical drives, sometimes called a "share" rather than a "drive") on the server, while this is not possible the other way around. Once you have mounted a drive on the client, you can use it as if it were local, which means transfer data in both direction (unless mounted readonly). So, if you want to work from the Mac and see what is going on with the laptop, the laptop is the server and the Mac is the client. If you need to work from the laptop, this is the other way around. I you want to work from both, of course, each computer can be client and server at the same time. The server needs to be configured (essentially to define which drives/shares are exported to the potential clients, see "man exports"). Regards Pierre -- http://lists.linuxfromscratch.org/listinfo/blfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [blfs-support] Sharing or Transferring Files Between Computers
On Oct 12, 2014, at 9:15 AM, Dan McGhee wrote: > > On Oct 12, 2014, at 8:37 AM, Armin K. wrote: > >> Use file sharing, you can choose from: >> >> NFS Shares (nfs-utils needed for client and/or server on a Linux box and >> it's possible that MAC OSX may support NFS out of the box). >> >> SMB/CIFS shares (aka Windows Shares - for server support on Linux, Samba >> is the way to go, while for client you may be able to mount a cifs share >> without installing any additional components or you have at least to >> install cifs-utils package). > > One thing I’m still getting used to on my new iMac is “helpful” help. I’m > adding this just for the record. “Out of the box” OS.10 supports AFB, NFS, > SMB/CIF and ftp. It’s just a matter of setting up the other machine. > The concept of clients are servers is one of those things I thought I understood but really don’t. I’ve looked at a bit of information discussing what each does, but as far as my desires go, I didn’t find the answer to what I want to do. I’m pretty sure that my iMac is both a client and a server for file sharing. If I build and install NFS-utils on my laptop and configure only the client, will I be able to move files both ways? I don’t necessarily want to conduct operations from one machine on the other, I just want to grab stuff from my laptop and put it on my Mac so I can read it. And vice versa. With my current state of knowledge, I know that I need NFS-Utils (my choice from all the options). But what I don’t know is what I need from NFS-Utils on my laptop to do what I want. Thanks, Dan -- http://lists.linuxfromscratch.org/listinfo/blfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [blfs-support] Sharing or Transferring Files Between Computers
On Oct 12, 2014, at 3:54 PM, Pol Vangheluwe wrote: > Op 12-okt.-2014, om 18:44 heeft Dan McGhee het volgende > geschreven: > >> (…) >> One other thing that I saw at sourceforge is "netatalk." It's a package to >> directly use "Apple Talk" which is native to my iMac. It appears, however, >> that it's only a server. This would go directly to my setup and I wouldn't >> need NFS. Does anyone have any experience with this package. I don't want >> to use it if it's only a server. >> >> Dan >> > I installed Netatalk-3.1.3 on my LFS-7.2 system (running on an iMac-400…). > As far as I know, it is indeed a server only: it allows to transfer files > between any Mac and the LFS-box, directly from the Finder. > It interworks well with Avahi (advertising in the Finder window) and PAM. > If it’s a server, I understand transferring files from LFS to Mac. But I also want to go the other way. Don’t I need a client on LFS to do that? Dan -- http://lists.linuxfromscratch.org/listinfo/blfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [blfs-support] Sharing or Transferring Files Between Computers
Op 12-okt.-2014, om 18:44 heeft Dan McGhee het volgende geschreven: > (…) > One other thing that I saw at sourceforge is "netatalk." It's a package to > directly use "Apple Talk" which is native to my iMac. It appears, however, > that it's only a server. This would go directly to my setup and I wouldn't > need NFS. Does anyone have any experience with this package. I don't want > to use it if it's only a server. > > Dan > I installed Netatalk-3.1.3 on my LFS-7.2 system (running on an iMac-400…). As far as I know, it is indeed a server only: it allows to transfer files between any Mac and the LFS-box, directly from the Finder. It interworks well with Avahi (advertising in the Finder window) and PAM. pvg > -- > http://lists.linuxfromscratch.org/listinfo/blfs-support > FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html > Unsubscribe: See the above information page -- http://lists.linuxfromscratch.org/listinfo/blfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [blfs-support] Sharing or Transferring Files Between Computers
On Oct 12, 2014, at 11:58 AM, Richard Melville wrote: > On 12 October 2014 17:44, Dan McGhee wrote: > On 10/12/2014 09:15 AM, Dan McGhee wrote: > On Oct 12, 2014, at 8:37 AM, Armin K. wrote: > > Use file sharing, you can choose from: > > NFS Shares (nfs-utils needed for client and/or server on a Linux box and > it's possible that MAC OSX may support NFS out of the box). > > SMB/CIFS shares (aka Windows Shares - for server support on Linux, Samba > is the way to go, while for client you may be able to mount a cifs share > without installing any additional components or you have at least to > install cifs-utils package). > One thing I’m still getting used to on my new iMac is “helpful” help. I’m > adding this just for the record. “Out of the box” OS.10 supports AFB, NFS, > SMB/CIF and ftp. It’s just a matter of setting up the other machine. > > Thanks to all of you who have commented this morning. Again, I've learned a > lot in an area that was totally dark before. > > First of all, @Christopher. I double checked and my new iMac has OS X > 10.9.5. It will read and mount an ntfs partition. It, however, will do > nothing to or for a drive that was formatted on a windows based machine. > > Yes, different file systems. You've been spoilt by using GNU/Linux. > > It's the first "non-friendly" thing I've discovered about my iMac. But > with my current attitude, "Who cares, man?" :) > > > Really? Clearly, you've forgotten about the "backdoors" that Apple kindly > provides. Thank you for this Richard. I had a great laugh. As far as the “backdoors,” I just learned about them and am searching on my “Key Chain” to open them. :) Dan -- http://lists.linuxfromscratch.org/listinfo/blfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [blfs-support] Sharing or Transferring Files Between Computers
On 12 October 2014 17:44, Dan McGhee wrote: > On 10/12/2014 09:15 AM, Dan McGhee wrote: > >> On Oct 12, 2014, at 8:37 AM, Armin K. wrote: >> >> Use file sharing, you can choose from: >>> >>> NFS Shares (nfs-utils needed for client and/or server on a Linux box and >>> it's possible that MAC OSX may support NFS out of the box). >>> >>> SMB/CIFS shares (aka Windows Shares - for server support on Linux, Samba >>> is the way to go, while for client you may be able to mount a cifs share >>> without installing any additional components or you have at least to >>> install cifs-utils package). >>> >> One thing I’m still getting used to on my new iMac is “helpful” help. >> I’m adding this just for the record. “Out of the box” OS.10 supports AFB, >> NFS, SMB/CIF and ftp. It’s just a matter of setting up the other machine. >> > > Thanks to all of you who have commented this morning. Again, I've learned > a lot in an area that was totally dark before. > > First of all, @Christopher. I double checked and my new iMac has OS X > 10.9.5. It will read and mount an ntfs partition. It, however, will do > nothing to or for a drive that was formatted on a windows based machine. Yes, different file systems. You've been spoilt by using GNU/Linux. > It's the first "non-friendly" thing I've discovered about my iMac. But > with my current attitude, "Who cares, man?" :) > > Really? Clearly, you've forgotten about the "backdoors" that Apple kindly provides. Richard -- http://lists.linuxfromscratch.org/listinfo/blfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [blfs-support] Sharing or Transferring Files Between Computers
On 10/12/2014 06:44 PM, Dan McGhee wrote:
> On 10/12/2014 09:15 AM, Dan McGhee wrote:
>> On Oct 12, 2014, at 8:37 AM, Armin K. wrote:
>>
>>> Use file sharing, you can choose from:
>>>
>>> NFS Shares (nfs-utils needed for client and/or server on a Linux box and
>>> it's possible that MAC OSX may support NFS out of the box).
>>>
>>> SMB/CIFS shares (aka Windows Shares - for server support on Linux, Samba
>>> is the way to go, while for client you may be able to mount a cifs share
>>> without installing any additional components or you have at least to
>>> install cifs-utils package).
>> One thing I’m still getting used to on my new iMac is “helpful” help.
>> I’m adding this just for the record. “Out of the box” OS.10 supports
>> AFB, NFS, SMB/CIF and ftp. It’s just a matter of setting up the other
>> machine.
>
> Thanks to all of you who have commented this morning. Again, I've
> learned a lot in an area that was totally dark before.
>
> First of all, @Christopher. I double checked and my new iMac has OS X
> 10.9.5. It will read and mount an ntfs partition. It, however, will do
> nothing to or for a drive that was formatted on a windows based
> machine. It's the first "non-friendly" thing I've discovered about my
> iMac. But with my current attitude, "Who cares, man?" :)
>
> I must apologize for my newbiness in this area and ask for a large
> amount of help.
>
> I've decided to go with NFS-utils. My intent is to use this only at
> home (not going to automatically start it at boot). So it will be just
> my laptop and iMac. I say this in preface for some following questions.
>
> I'm using the BLFS-7.5 page and have questions.
>
> First of all kernel configuration: The book says to configure NFS
> server and client support and then "the appropriate sub-options that
> appear when the above options are selected." I have no clue as to what
> is appropriate. I've looked at the kernel configuration guides for
> {,B}LFS and remain clueless.
>
> Running grep NFS on the kernel .config I get:
>> CONFIG_NFS_FS=m
>> CONFIG_NFS_V2=m
>> CONFIG_NFS_V3=m
>> CONFIG_NFS_V3_ACL=y
>> CONFIG_NFS_V4=m
>> CONFIG_NFS_SWAP=y
>> CONFIG_NFS_V4_1=y
>> CONFIG_NFS_V4_2=y
>> CONFIG_PNFS_FILE_LAYOUT=m
>> CONFIG_PNFS_OBJLAYOUT=m
>> CONFIG_NFS_V4_1_IMPLEMENTATION_ID_DOMAIN="kernel.org"
>> # CONFIG_NFS_V4_1_MIGRATION is not set
>> CONFIG_NFS_V4_SECURITY_LABEL=y
>> CONFIG_NFS_FSCACHE=y
>> # CONFIG_NFS_USE_LEGACY_DNS is not set
>> CONFIG_NFS_USE_KERNEL_DNS=y
>> CONFIG_NFS_DEBUG=y
>> CONFIG_NFSD=m
>> CONFIG_NFSD_V2_ACL=y
>> CONFIG_NFSD_V3=y
>> CONFIG_NFSD_V3_ACL=y
>> CONFIG_NFSD_V4=y
>> # CONFIG_NFSD_V4_SECURITY_LABEL is not set
>> # CONFIG_NFSD_FAULT_INJECTION is not set
>> CONFIG_NFS_ACL_SUPPORT=m
>> CONFIG_NFS_COMMON=y
>> CONFIG_NCPFS_NFS_NS=y
>
I went for defaults that got selected after I selected the main NFS
Server and NFS Client options, but it doesn't hurt to enable everything
(and build as module) if you are unsure if its needed so it gets probed
when you get everything up and running for the first time. After that,
you can examine lsmod output and go and disable what isn't needed and
possibly select as built-in what you need.
> I intend to compile what I need into the kernel and not use modules.
> With what I have said about my setup and what I intend to do, what do I
> need to set to "y" to run NFS server and client?
>
> The configure options for NFS-utils has the switch: --disable-nfsv4.
> Why is this disabled?
>
Required dependency for it is not in the book. In "Optional
Dependencies" block you can see libnfsidmap and sqlite have "for NFSv4
support" written next to it, and libnfsidmap is not part of the book (yet).
> In the NFS-HOWTO at sourceforge it says that nfsv3 is for "production
> use" and that nfsv2 and nfsv4 should be sufficient for "casual use."
> What are the pro's and con's of disabling nfsv4 when compiling NFS-utils.
>
> Again, this is a new learning process for me and I apologize for these
> basic questions.
>
> One other thing that I saw at sourceforge is "netatalk." It's a package
> to directly use "Apple Talk" which is native to my iMac. It appears,
> however, that it's only a server. This would go directly to my setup
> and I wouldn't need NFS. Does anyone have any experience with this
> package. I don't want to use it if it's only a server.
>
> Dan
>
>
>
>
>
--
Note: My last name is not Krejzi.
signature.asc
Description: OpenPGP digital signature
--
http://lists.linuxfromscratch.org/listinfo/blfs-support
FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html
Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [blfs-support] Sharing or Transferring Files Between Computers
On 10/12/2014 09:15 AM, Dan McGhee wrote:
On Oct 12, 2014, at 8:37 AM, Armin K. wrote:
Use file sharing, you can choose from:
NFS Shares (nfs-utils needed for client and/or server on a Linux box and
it's possible that MAC OSX may support NFS out of the box).
SMB/CIFS shares (aka Windows Shares - for server support on Linux, Samba
is the way to go, while for client you may be able to mount a cifs share
without installing any additional components or you have at least to
install cifs-utils package).
One thing I’m still getting used to on my new iMac is “helpful” help. I’m
adding this just for the record. “Out of the box” OS.10 supports AFB, NFS,
SMB/CIF and ftp. It’s just a matter of setting up the other machine.
Thanks to all of you who have commented this morning. Again, I've
learned a lot in an area that was totally dark before.
First of all, @Christopher. I double checked and my new iMac has OS X
10.9.5. It will read and mount an ntfs partition. It, however, will do
nothing to or for a drive that was formatted on a windows based
machine. It's the first "non-friendly" thing I've discovered about my
iMac. But with my current attitude, "Who cares, man?" :)
I must apologize for my newbiness in this area and ask for a large
amount of help.
I've decided to go with NFS-utils. My intent is to use this only at
home (not going to automatically start it at boot). So it will be just
my laptop and iMac. I say this in preface for some following questions.
I'm using the BLFS-7.5 page and have questions.
First of all kernel configuration: The book says to configure NFS
server and client support and then "the appropriate sub-options that
appear when the above options are selected." I have no clue as to what
is appropriate. I've looked at the kernel configuration guides for
{,B}LFS and remain clueless.
Running grep NFS on the kernel .config I get:
CONFIG_NFS_FS=m
CONFIG_NFS_V2=m
CONFIG_NFS_V3=m
CONFIG_NFS_V3_ACL=y
CONFIG_NFS_V4=m
CONFIG_NFS_SWAP=y
CONFIG_NFS_V4_1=y
CONFIG_NFS_V4_2=y
CONFIG_PNFS_FILE_LAYOUT=m
CONFIG_PNFS_OBJLAYOUT=m
CONFIG_NFS_V4_1_IMPLEMENTATION_ID_DOMAIN="kernel.org"
# CONFIG_NFS_V4_1_MIGRATION is not set
CONFIG_NFS_V4_SECURITY_LABEL=y
CONFIG_NFS_FSCACHE=y
# CONFIG_NFS_USE_LEGACY_DNS is not set
CONFIG_NFS_USE_KERNEL_DNS=y
CONFIG_NFS_DEBUG=y
CONFIG_NFSD=m
CONFIG_NFSD_V2_ACL=y
CONFIG_NFSD_V3=y
CONFIG_NFSD_V3_ACL=y
CONFIG_NFSD_V4=y
# CONFIG_NFSD_V4_SECURITY_LABEL is not set
# CONFIG_NFSD_FAULT_INJECTION is not set
CONFIG_NFS_ACL_SUPPORT=m
CONFIG_NFS_COMMON=y
CONFIG_NCPFS_NFS_NS=y
I intend to compile what I need into the kernel and not use modules.
With what I have said about my setup and what I intend to do, what do I
need to set to "y" to run NFS server and client?
The configure options for NFS-utils has the switch: --disable-nfsv4.
Why is this disabled?
In the NFS-HOWTO at sourceforge it says that nfsv3 is for "production
use" and that nfsv2 and nfsv4 should be sufficient for "casual use."
What are the pro's and con's of disabling nfsv4 when compiling NFS-utils.
Again, this is a new learning process for me and I apologize for these
basic questions.
One other thing that I saw at sourceforge is "netatalk." It's a package
to directly use "Apple Talk" which is native to my iMac. It appears,
however, that it's only a server. This would go directly to my setup
and I wouldn't need NFS. Does anyone have any experience with this
package. I don't want to use it if it's only a server.
Dan
--
http://lists.linuxfromscratch.org/listinfo/blfs-support
FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html
Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [blfs-support] Sharing or Transferring Files Between Computers
On 12-10-2014 10:51, Baho Utot wrote: > On Sunday 12 October 2014 3:37:54 PM Armin K. wrote: >> On 10/12/2014 02:25 PM, Dan McGhee wrote: > > [putolin] > >> Setting up either a ftp or an ssh server for file sharing is just >> inefficient. >> >> Use file sharing, you can choose from: >> >> NFS Shares (nfs-utils needed for client and/or server on a Linux box and >> it's possible that MAC OSX may support NFS out of the box). >> >> SMB/CIFS shares (aka Windows Shares - for server support on Linux, Samba >> is the way to go, while for client you may be able to mount a cifs share >> without installing any additional components or you have at least to >> install cifs-utils package). > > How To Use SSHFS to Mount Remote File Systems Over SSH > > https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-use-sshfs-to-mount-remote-file-systems-over-ssh > > Works for Macs also > Yes, I do it all the time, everyday, but in linux. You need Fuse-2.9.3 and sshfs-fuse-2.5 (BLFS). Mount, by running in the client: sshfs -o default_permissions -o allow_root \ :/path/to/server/directory \ /path/to/client/directory To allow root commands, you need to uncomment in /etc/fuse.conf: #user_allow_other Umount (in the client): fusermount -u /path/to/client/directory -- []s, Fernando -- http://lists.linuxfromscratch.org/listinfo/blfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [blfs-support] Sharing or Transferring Files Between Computers
On Oct 12, 2014, at 8:37 AM, Armin K. wrote: > Use file sharing, you can choose from: > > NFS Shares (nfs-utils needed for client and/or server on a Linux box and > it's possible that MAC OSX may support NFS out of the box). > > SMB/CIFS shares (aka Windows Shares - for server support on Linux, Samba > is the way to go, while for client you may be able to mount a cifs share > without installing any additional components or you have at least to > install cifs-utils package). One thing I’m still getting used to on my new iMac is “helpful” help. I’m adding this just for the record. “Out of the box” OS.10 supports AFB, NFS, SMB/CIF and ftp. It’s just a matter of setting up the other machine. Dan -- http://lists.linuxfromscratch.org/listinfo/blfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [blfs-support] Sharing or Transferring Files Between Computers
On Sun, 2014-10-12 at 07:25 -0500, Dan McGhee wrote: > In the last few days, my home computer situation has changed and I want > to do something I've never even thought about before, much less know how > to do. > > I became so much more disgusted with windows--and HP too--that I bought > an iMac so that I could maintain my other i-devices. That machine is a > joy to use and I've spent a lot of time learning it. > > By the way, although over the years I have very dutifully configured my > kernels to read disks formatted in various and sundry styles, I've never > run into the situation in which I couldn't do anything with a drive > because of how it was formatted. My iMac does not read disks originally > formatted in or for ntfs. It sees the partition table but won't mount > anything. This brings me to my current question. > > I want to ultimately use all my external and salvaged hard drives on > both my (soon to be completely) linux laptop and my iMac. That part is > simple. Back up what I don't want to lose and then reformat those drives. > > The second part is what I need to learn. I want to be able to transfer > files between my laptop and iMac. Apparently there's a couple of ways > to go. One is to setup an ftp client and server on one of the machines > and do it that way. The other is file sharing. I think I'm leaning > towards file sharing because that ability is obvious on the iMac. > > I scanned through the BLFS packages and it wasn't clear to me what I > needed in either case. For file sharing it looks like NFS and its > dependencies. But for ftp it wasn't clear. > > What do I need to build to develop either one or both of these abilities? > > With NFS, is it a matter of just getting on the network and then having > the other computer recognize and access the machine? > > I will be grateful for any advice, directions or comments in these areas. > > Dan Hello Dan, I am not sure of the exact version of mac os X you are using, but from reading up on it there have been issues in the past of it not auto-mounting ntfs partitions. If you have not already done so, there is a release of ntfs for mac that was released February this year: http://www.tuxera.com/community/ntfs-3g-download/ It shows how to have it automounted at boot time. I know that the versions of mac os X were originally based on FreeBSD which is unix. I have not kept up with what it is based on with the latest releases. Regards, Christopher. -- http://lists.linuxfromscratch.org/listinfo/blfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [blfs-support] Sharing or Transferring Files Between Computers
On 12 October 2014 15:37, Armin K. wrote: > > Setting up either a ftp or an ssh server for file sharing is just > inefficient. > > Use file sharing For me, the convenience of sshd is that I don't need to put the files I want to transfer in some special folder. I just leave them wherever they are and browse to them with Filezilla. I suppose it's impossible to do that with file sharing, am I wrong? -- Emanuele Rusconi -- http://lists.linuxfromscratch.org/listinfo/blfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [blfs-support] Sharing or Transferring Files Between Computers
On Sunday 12 October 2014 3:37:54 PM Armin K. wrote: > On 10/12/2014 02:25 PM, Dan McGhee wrote: [putolin] > Setting up either a ftp or an ssh server for file sharing is just > inefficient. > > Use file sharing, you can choose from: > > NFS Shares (nfs-utils needed for client and/or server on a Linux box and > it's possible that MAC OSX may support NFS out of the box). > > SMB/CIFS shares (aka Windows Shares - for server support on Linux, Samba > is the way to go, while for client you may be able to mount a cifs share > without installing any additional components or you have at least to > install cifs-utils package). How To Use SSHFS to Mount Remote File Systems Over SSH https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-use-sshfs-to-mount-remote-file-systems-over-ssh Works for Macs also -- http://lists.linuxfromscratch.org/listinfo/blfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [blfs-support] Sharing or Transferring Files Between Computers
On 10/12/2014 02:25 PM, Dan McGhee wrote: > In the last few days, my home computer situation has changed and I want > to do something I've never even thought about before, much less know how > to do. > > I became so much more disgusted with windows--and HP too--that I bought > an iMac so that I could maintain my other i-devices. That machine is a > joy to use and I've spent a lot of time learning it. > > By the way, although over the years I have very dutifully configured my > kernels to read disks formatted in various and sundry styles, I've never > run into the situation in which I couldn't do anything with a drive > because of how it was formatted. My iMac does not read disks originally > formatted in or for ntfs. It sees the partition table but won't mount > anything. This brings me to my current question. > > I want to ultimately use all my external and salvaged hard drives on > both my (soon to be completely) linux laptop and my iMac. That part is > simple. Back up what I don't want to lose and then reformat those drives. > > The second part is what I need to learn. I want to be able to transfer > files between my laptop and iMac. Apparently there's a couple of ways > to go. One is to setup an ftp client and server on one of the machines > and do it that way. The other is file sharing. I think I'm leaning > towards file sharing because that ability is obvious on the iMac. > > I scanned through the BLFS packages and it wasn't clear to me what I > needed in either case. For file sharing it looks like NFS and its > dependencies. But for ftp it wasn't clear. > > What do I need to build to develop either one or both of these abilities? > > With NFS, is it a matter of just getting on the network and then having > the other computer recognize and access the machine? > > I will be grateful for any advice, directions or comments in these areas. > > Dan > > > Setting up either a ftp or an ssh server for file sharing is just inefficient. Use file sharing, you can choose from: NFS Shares (nfs-utils needed for client and/or server on a Linux box and it's possible that MAC OSX may support NFS out of the box). SMB/CIFS shares (aka Windows Shares - for server support on Linux, Samba is the way to go, while for client you may be able to mount a cifs share without installing any additional components or you have at least to install cifs-utils package). -- Note: My last name is not Krejzi. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- http://lists.linuxfromscratch.org/listinfo/blfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [blfs-support] Sharing or Transferring Files Between Computers
On 12 October 2014 14:25, Dan McGhee wrote: > > > I want to be able to transfer files between my laptop and iMac. > > Apparently there's a couple of ways to go. One is to setup an ftp > client and server on one of the machines and do it that way. The > other is file sharing. Third option: sshd on one pc and whatever client on the other. At work, when I want to transfer some music from my Linux laptop to the Mac, I start sshd on the laptop and use Filezilla on the Mac. -- Emanuele -- http://lists.linuxfromscratch.org/listinfo/blfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
