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Rich wrote: > unsubscribe jeroen-l Me too. Ritu GCU Please ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Admin: Server access blocked
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Re: rain
At 05:01 AM 12/5/02 -0600, The Fool wrote: Suppose you wanted to calculate the time it would take an even consistent rainfall over the entire surface of the earth to raise the sea level above the level of Mt. Everest (+5 miles or so), what would you need to know about rainfall, volume of the earth, topography of the earth, etc. to make a good first order approximation? You need an additional 3.7 times the total volume of all the water on Earth, or a sphere of water about 1300 miles in diameter. What you do with the excess when you have finished cleansing the Earth is left as an exercise for the student. Been There Done That Maru --Ronn! :) I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed that I would see the last. --Dr. Jerry Pournelle ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: meeces
At 08:58 PM 12/4/02 -0500, Erik Reuter wrote: On Wed, Dec 04, 2002 at 05:53:53PM -0800, Nick Arnett wrote: > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On > > Behalf Of The Fool > > ... > > > http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/science/12/04/coolsc.coolsc.mousegenome/ > > > > When it comes to DNA, it turns out there's not that much difference > > between mice and men. > > Mice and humans each have about 30,000 genes, yet only 300 are unique to > > either organism. Both even have genes for a tail, even though it's not > > "switched on" in humans. > > Uh, could it be? Now *that* would be a prank! I wouldn't mind having a *prehensile* tail. A useless drooping one wouldn't be so useful, though. How about a tail like that of a cat, useful for (1) balancing oneself while jumping or changing direction quickly and (2) nonverbal expression of emotional states? Would Have To Redesign Chairs Though Maru --Ronn! :) I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed that I would see the last. --Dr. Jerry Pournelle ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: SCOUTED: Will Smith to star in 'I, Robot'
At 04:35 PM 12/4/02 -0600, Reggie Bautista wrote: http://www.cnn.com/2002/SHOWBIZ/Movies/12/04/film.smith.reut/index.html or http://makeashorterlink.com/?E299429A2 NEW YORK (Reuters) -- Fox has booked Will Smith to star in sci-fier "I, Robot," an adaptation of the 1940s Isaac Asimov short-story collection that set the groundwork for robot films ranging from "The Terminator" to "A.I.," Variety reports. [snip] The movie is a futuristic thriller in which a detective investigates a crime that might have been perpetrated by a robot, even though that seems an impossibility given those three prevailing rules [the three laws of robotics]. "The big idea here is that if the robots have found a way to violate the laws, there is nothing to stop them from taking over, because the human race is so dependent on robots and automation," said 20th Century Fox film president Hutch Parker. Reggie Bautista VFP I was hoping for a Susan Calvin movie Perhaps Will Smith in drag? --Ronn! :) I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed that I would see the last. --Dr. Jerry Pournelle ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Scouted: Women prefer HDTV to Diamonds???
At 09:53 AM 12/4/02 -0600, Reggie Bautista wrote: Russell Chapman wrote: How dirty can a ceiling get?? That depends on how often you use candles, oil lamps, oil simmerpots, potpourri, and other things that put extra stuff in the air. And how often you do experiments that involve making a working volcano model on the living room coffee table... :-) It wasn't a volcano, but the results of one experiment that . . . ahem . . . produced excess amounts of unwanted gaseous byproducts which were sufficient to remove the top from the container and create a fountain of chemical mix which removed the paint from the areas of the ceiling it touched. Results: (1) Yes, I figured out what went wrong. (Fortunately, the eruption occurred after I had set the container down and stepped away from the table.) (2) My father got to repaint the kitchen (at about the same time, a boilover from another experiment had sprayed black corrosive stuff on one wall, so the whole thing needed repainting). (3) My father also got to help me put shelves, etc., in the utility room to use that area, rather than the kitchen, as laboratory space, with the additional caveat that experiments involving the use of heat were to be conducted out of doors on the patio. (Concrete, however, is not the best surface over which to handle expensive lab glassware purchases with one's allowance. And then there were days when the wind seemed to take the fumes directly into the neighbor's open bedroom window . . . ) (4) Eventually I decided to become a professional astronomer rather than a chemist. --Ronn! :) I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed that I would see the last. --Dr. Jerry Pournelle ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Admin: Server access blocked
On Thu, 5 Dec 2002, Alberto Monteiro wrote: > PS: I am _also_ a meme-stereotype. If everybody is > against Jeroen, then I must stand to be the Defender > of the Lost Cause :-) Does that mean you don't actually disagree with Nick's decision, but are only protesting pro forma in your role as Official Contrarian? Or are you protesting? You seem to be lamenting the lack of support for Jeroen's case, but I don't see you arguing on his behalf in any specific way, except maybe for debating the concept of harrassment. Marvin Long Austin, Texas Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, & Ashcroft, LLP (Formerly the USA) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Re: DIY bathroom troubles, Re: Fwd: Religion, the good side
At 07:10 PM 12/3/02 -0600, Dan Minette wrote: - Original Message - From: "Adam C. Lipscomb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 7:00 PM Subject: Re: DIY bathroom troubles, Re: Fwd: Religion, the good side > I learned the 3 rules of plumbing some years ago, and I'll share them > with you now. > > (1) Hot water goes on the left > (2) Shit goes downhill > (3) Payday's on Friday > > That's really all you need to know. > > Well, that, and (4) Make triple sure you've turned off the water > before touching the pipes. One think that I learned from my dad: make quadruple sure the high voltage is off before you work on it. :-) I once screamed at a nice woman because I was working on a high current high voltage switching system, and had turned it all off nicely. She turned it back on behind my back while I was working. That was before the days of "lock out" Was it on this list awhile back (at least back while we were on the Cornell server) that we had the discussion about always being careful to discharge the flyback capacitor before doing any work on a TV set or computer monitor (and at least one person¹ confessed to have learned that lesson the hard way . . . )? _ ¹Not me. I learned how to do it when I was tasked with writing a computer maintenance manual many years ago, and so far have never forgotten to do so before sticking my finger in that little hole on the side of the CRT (or anywhere else inside the set for that matter) . . . --Ronn! :) I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed that I would see the last. --Dr. Jerry Pournelle ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: 1 liter
At 11:05 PM 12/3/02 -0600, The Fool wrote: The world's first '1-liter' car licensed for road use resembles a sports car more than a typical research vehicle in appearance. Since the concept calls for a reduced frontal area to minimize exposure to the airstream, the 3.65 m (12 ft.) long body is exceptionally narrow and low-built. Developed in the wind tunnel and built entirely from composite carbon-fiber reinforced material, it has a width of only 1.25 m (49.2 inches) and is just over a meter high (39 inches). The body is unpainted in order to save weight. The reinforced plastic outer skin conceals a space frame that is not constructed from aluminum but from magnesium, an even lighter metal. And when an SUV driver yakking away on a cell phone fails to see it, what remains of car and driver will fit in a one-liter container . . . --Ronn! :) I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed that I would see the last. --Dr. Jerry Pournelle ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Toilets! Re: DIY bathroom troubles, Re: Fwd: Religion, the goodside
At 10:11 PM 12/3/02 -0600, Julia Thompson wrote: "Adam C. Lipscomb" wrote: > > Julia wrote: > > > > (At least we haven't had anything resembling an OS war on the toilet > > front!) > > That's probably because you're one of those lamers that uses the > low-volume toilets, that you have to flush 3 times to get everything > out of the bowl. > > Me? I go out and find Old Skool toilets, that have at least a 5 gal > capacity. Not that I need it, but just in case > > Adam C. Lipscomb > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Making new strides in reaching the lowest common denominator Ah, but have you tried a high-end Japanese-manufactured low-volume toilet? Neither my end nor my pocketbook are high enough to try them . . Those work very nicely, and use less water. Best of both worlds. :) Julia just waiting now for Ronn's inevitable comment I've been busy: finals getting started and all (talk about feeling like you're getting hit with a load of crâp . . . --Ronn! :) I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed that I would see the last. --Dr. Jerry Pournelle ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Toilets! Re: DIY bathroom troubles, Re: Fwd: Religion, the good side
At 08:18 PM 12/3/02 -0600, Julia Thompson wrote: Toilets are useful things that all of us come in contact with several times a day, and when they malfunction, it's a problem. (Notice that a significant portion of the toilet talk is about ones that aren't working optimally, at the very least?) Why is that any different from anyone discussing their computer problems? (At least we haven't had anything resembling an OS war on the toilet front!) How about regular versus "low-flow"? (Which is frequently "NO-flow" . . . providing a counterexample to Adam's Second Law of Plumbing, in that it just sits there and ferments rather than going down the pipe . . . ) --Ronn! :) I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed that I would see the last. --Dr. Jerry Pournelle ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Rich wrote: > My worst case scenario involves giant asteroids, gamma ray bursts, > all-out nuclear exchanges, plague, famine, brain-eating zombie > infestations, leaves on the line, and Steps reforming. > > Rich > GCU And The Universal Adoption Of Imperial Units And the wombats? Ritu GCU You Can't Forget The Wombats! ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Alberto said: > Worst case scenario will be things getting out of > the Cyberspace, like Digimon 3. My worst case scenario involves giant asteroids, gamma ray bursts, all-out nuclear exchanges, plague, famine, brain-eating zombie infestations, leaves on the line, and Steps reforming. Rich GCU And The Universal Adoption Of Imperial Units ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: So how much is the participation on a mailing list worth?
Dan Minette wrote: > > - Original Message - > From: "Julia Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 11:36 PM > Subject: Re: So how much is the participation on a mailing list worth? > > > Jim Sharkey wrote: > > > > > > Apparently, it's worth $1,000,000. > > > > > > I had no idea you could sue for being banned from a free Internet > > > mailing list. You learn something new every day. > > > > Did I miss something? > > > > Julia > > You didn't get the email threatening you and Nick with a > $1,000,000 > lawsuit and any damage to your career that he can arrange? Nope. That one didn't make it here for some reason. As I don't really have a career at this point besides being a wife and mother, I don't know what he could do. Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
wolfling language is evil, why it must be eradicated
Ray Ludenia wrote: > >> Things would be different if I were the list-tyrant. >> I would ban everybody who sent messages using the >> horrible imperial units > > So you admit that not all imperial units are horrible? > Never thought I'd see the day! > Who made you think that? I don't know English grammar, but in Portuguese an adjective can be "explanatory" or "restrictive". _imperial_ is restrictive, I want to reduce the set of units to those that are imperial. _horrible_ is explanatory, because every imperial unit is horrible. Damn the ambiguities of the wolfling languages :-( Probably Gal2 has such distinctions Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Alberto Monteiro wrote: > Things would be different if I were the list-tyrant. > I would ban everybody who sent messages using the > horrible imperial units So you admit that not all imperial units are horrible? Never thought I'd see the day! Ray. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Ray Ludenia wrote: > >> Which is why I think this will escalate >> to Jeroen's final ban - another symptom that the list >> is dying. > > The symptom that the list is dying is that yet again > we are involved in endlessly discussing one particular > person and his actions and other's > reactions. Enough of the self-flagellation already. > I hate those kind of discussion. Why did I drag myself to become the solo defender of Jeroen? I guess I know: because it will make me the Only Defender of Free Speech :-P Things would be different if I were the list-tyrant. I would ban everybody who sent messages using the horrible imperial units Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: harassing is evil, why it must be eradicated
On Thu, Dec 05, 2002 at 11:05:45AM -0200, Alberto Monteiro wrote: > So, I think I used the right term. As soon as we noticed how Jeroen > reacts to things that **would** be teasing to other people - by > feeling harmed - the teasing became a harassing No, even if I allow you the intent to harm (which is debatable), it lacks the other 2 qualities I mentioned. -- "Erik Reuter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Alberto Monteiro wrote: > Which is why I think this will escalate > to Jeroen's final ban - another symptom that the list > is dying. The symptom that the list is dying is that yet again we are involved in endlessly discussing one particular person and his actions and other's reactions. Enough of the self-flagellation already. Regards, Ray. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Ritu Ko wrote: > >>> But isn't that assuming that his cause is lost? :) >> >> Of course it is a lost. It will escalate forever. >> Probably it will end up in splitting the list in >> two - the best scenario, the other scenarios are >> worse. > > It would end up *splitting* the list in two and that > is the *best* case scenario!?!?! > Yes. People have been leaving the list with angry "goodbye, f--- you all" messages along the years. Maybe these two points of view are unable to live together happily forever. > Well, I have no idea what I have stumbled onto so I'll > just sit down and keep quiet. :) > Worst case scenario will be things getting out of the Cyberspace, like Digimon 3. Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
harassing is evil, why it must be eradicated
Erik Reuter wrote: > >> Maybe I confused the terms. Is there any precise definition? > > Probably not as precise as you want. But I think the > usual use of "harass" implies repeated, unwanted action > or attention (in some manner) and with intent to harm. > > Tease doesn't necessarily imply any of those qualities > (although it COULD occasionally, they are not implied). > So, I think I used the right term. As soon as we noticed how Jeroen reacts to things that **would** be teasing to other people - by feeling harmed - the teasing became a harassing Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Alberto Monteiro wrote: > > But isn't that assuming that the rest of us are > > incapable of disapproving of the deeds without > > hating the doer? :) > > > Yes. Which makes Me the only Saint in the list :-P Ahem. It would, if it were true. It *isn't* true, so you *aren't*. :P > > But isn't that assuming that his cause is lost? :) > > > Of course it is a lost. It will escalate forever. > Probably it will end up in splitting the list in > two - the best scenario, the other scenarios are > worse. It would end up *splitting* the list in two and that is the *best* case scenario!?!?! Well, I have no idea what I have stumbled onto so I'll just sit down and keep quiet. :) Ritu GCU Prudent, Occasionally ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On Thu, Dec 05, 2002 at 10:50:19AM -0200, Alberto Monteiro wrote: > Maybe I confused the terms. Is there any precise definition? Probably not as precise as you want. But I think the usual use of "harass" implies repeated, unwanted action or attention (in some manner) and with intent to harm. Tease doesn't necessarily imply any of those qualities (although it COULD occasionally, they are not implied). -- "Erik Reuter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Admin: Server access blocked
Erik Reuter wrote: > >> And his behaviour in the past days, with mailbombing, >> lawsuits, and forged headers, make him a very tasty >> target! Who's better to be >> harassed as someone who screams and shouts? > > Actually, it is the reverse. What better person to shout > at then one who harasses? (I wonder if you have > confused "harass" with "tease"? Jeroen > has never been harassed by anyone on Brin-L that I know of) > Maybe I confused the terms. Is there any precise definition? IMHO, "harass" should mean that the subject of the action feels so. >> I guess by now everybody will be very pleased, seeing >> how he is reacting. "I was right! He's not a member >> of a civilization! Let's ban him forever!" > > > No, I think that most people would be happy for the > ban to be temporary, if only Jeroen would apologize > or even show a little remorse for his > past misbehavior. What do you think are the chances of that? > Less than 10%. Which is why I think this will escalate to Jeroen's final ban - another symptom that the list is dying. >> PS: I am _also_ a meme-stereotype. If everybody is >> against Jeroen, then I must stand to be the Defender >> of the Lost Cause :-) > > Time to ban Alberto! > Try it!!! I will fight back!!! I will mailbomb all of you!!! Of course, threats aren't literal. When you say that to me, it's obvious a joke. When Jeroen said that to JDG [IIRC], everybody took it as serious. When Nick says it to Jeroen, he's serious. Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On Thu, Dec 05, 2002 at 08:53:46AM -0200, Alberto Monteiro wrote: > And his behaviour in the past days, with mailbombing, lawsuits, and > forged headers, make him a very tasty target! Who's better to be > harassed as someone who screams and shouts? Actually, it is the reverse. What better person to shout at then one who harasses? (I wonder if you have confused "harass" with "tease"? Jeroen has never been harassed by anyone on Brin-L that I know of) > I guess by now everybody will be very pleased, seeing how he is > reacting. "I was right! He's not a member of a civilization! Let's > ban him forever!" No, I think that most people would be happy for the ban to be temporary, if only Jeroen would apologize or even show a little remorse for his past misbehavior. What do you think are the chances of that? > PS: I am _also_ a meme-stereotype. If everybody is against Jeroen, > then I must stand to be the Defender of the Lost Cause :-) Time to ban Alberto! -- "Erik Reuter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Ritu Ko wrote: > >> I begin to understand why Jeroen was singled-out to >> be the victim-of-the-day. > > Was he? > Yes. >> And his behaviour in the past days, with mailbombing, >> lawsuits, and forged headers, make him a very >> tasty target! Who's better to be harassed as someone >> who screams and shouts? > > Who is supposed to be harassing him? > If _every_ message he wrote was replied with mild offenses, this is a harassing. >> I guess by now everybody will be very pleased, >> seeing how he is reacting. "I was right! He's not >> a member of a civilization! Let's ban him forever!" > > But isn't that assuming that the rest of us are > incapable of disapproving of the deeds without > hating the doer? :) > Yes. Which makes Me the only Saint in the list :-P >> PS: I am _also_ a meme-stereotype. If everybody is >> against Jeroen, then I must stand to be the Defender >> of the Lost Cause :-) > > But isn't that assuming that his cause is lost? :) > Of course it is a lost. It will escalate forever. Probably it will end up in splitting the list in two - the best scenario, the other scenarios are worse. Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: rain
> From: Trent Shipley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > For a first order approximation you would throw away topography as > "irrelevant" (after all, it starts at only 30% and gets smaller as you add > water) and you would treat the Earth as a proper sphere using distance from > the center of the "sphere" to mean sea level as diameter. > > Assume a constant rainfall, not adujsted for the increasing size of the sphere > as the ocean gets deeper. Say, 1 inch per hour, that's a nice hard rain so 2 > feet a day. It'll take a while to reach 5 miles. > > However, if you say wanted to know if it would fit into, say 40 days and 40 > nights, you would just assume that it rained 5 miles/40 days, that is > 1mile/8days, or 1/8 mile per day. It would, indeed, require a miracle. > > However, the miracle needed to produce such a global deluge would pale beside > the erosive effects of so much precipitation. Where *DID* all that topsoil > come from? It would also boil the ocean from the friction of traveling through the atmosphere. I am not a believer in miracles. Suppose you wanted a precise scientifically exact approximation? > On Thursday 05 December 2002 04:01 am, The Fool wrote: > > Suppose you wanted to calculate the time it would take an even consistent > > rainfall over the entire surface of the earth to raise the sea level > > above the level of Mt. Everest (+5 miles or so), what would you need to > > know about rainfall, volume of the earth, topography of the earth, etc. > > to make a good first order approximation? > > ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: rain
For a first order approximation you would throw away topography as "irrelevant" (after all, it starts at only 30% and gets smaller as you add water) and you would treat the Earth as a proper sphere using distance from the center of the "sphere" to mean sea level as diameter. Assume a constant rainfall, not adujsted for the increasing size of the sphere as the ocean gets deeper. Say, 1 inch per hour, that's a nice hard rain so 2 feet a day. It'll take a while to reach 5 miles. However, if you say wanted to know if it would fit into, say 40 days and 40 nights, you would just assume that it rained 5 miles/40 days, that is 1mile/8days, or 1/8 mile per day. It would, indeed, require a miracle. However, the miracle needed to produce such a global deluge would pale beside the erosive effects of so much precipitation. Where *DID* all that topsoil come from? On Thursday 05 December 2002 04:01 am, The Fool wrote: > Suppose you wanted to calculate the time it would take an even consistent > rainfall over the entire surface of the earth to raise the sea level > above the level of Mt. Everest (+5 miles or so), what would you need to > know about rainfall, volume of the earth, topography of the earth, etc. > to make a good first order approximation? > > ___ > http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Scouted: Women prefer HDTV to Diamonds???
My mother's aunt couldn't keep the house cool when my mom was living with her (and didn't listen to my mom's advice on handling it). She went away for a week, and the temperatures were higher that week than they'd been all summer, but when she got home, my mother had it cooler in the house than it had been in a couple of months. I think after that, my mom was put in charge of keeping the house cool until she moved out. :) Julia As I had said, I know what to do, but sometimes knowing and doing doesn't get the job done. The above is a perfect example. My brother stays here when he's working in the area, he has all kinds of advice for keeping the house cool. But who doesn't close their blinds in the morning, and leaves the windows wide open all day (even now in the winter)? There were plenty of days I'd have the house doing okay, cool enough, then there'd be a slip up or a few extra hot days and the whole system would fail. My niece was also staying here this summer, but she had no clue that if a door was closed there was a reason, blinds need to be pulled shut, how ACs work. (I had a broken AC in a closet downstairs, and a working one underneath a window. She didn't want the working AC put in at first because once it went in, it stayed in with a special bracket, no air movement in that window. It finally got too hot for her but instead of asking me to lift the AC into the window, she just turned it on where it sat on the floor; then carried the broken one upstairs and put it on top of the other one and wondered why she wasn't cool! This girl is in college?)(I was saving the broken AC for a friend taking HVAC classes, they work on old ACs otherwise I was throwing it out). Kevin T. 10.25 - 20.5 cm of snow today! I still have to go to work, as far as I know ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Alberto Monteiro wrote: > I begin to understand why Jeroen was singled-out to > be the victim-of-the-day. Was he? Admittedly I have only been re-subbed here for a few months, I have not had much time to devote to Brin-L mail but I seem to have missed the singling-out. > And his behaviour in the past days, with mailbombing, > lawsuits, and forged headers, make him a very > tasty target! Who's better to be harassed as someone > who screams and shouts? Who is supposed to be harassing him? > I guess by now everybody will be very pleased, > seeing how he is reacting. "I was right! He's not > a member of a civilization! Let's ban him forever!" But isn't that assuming that the rest of us are incapable of disapproving of the deeds without hating the doer? :) > PS: I am _also_ a meme-stereotype. If everybody is > against Jeroen, then I must stand to be the Defender > of the Lost Cause :-) But isn't that assuming that his cause is lost? :) Ritu GCU A Veritable Graveyard Of Cats ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
rain
Suppose you wanted to calculate the time it would take an even consistent rainfall over the entire surface of the earth to raise the sea level above the level of Mt. Everest (+5 miles or so), what would you need to know about rainfall, volume of the earth, topography of the earth, etc. to make a good first order approximation? ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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David Hobby wrote: > >>> This is an action that I take only with GREAT >>> reluctance. However, neither Julia nor I is >>> willing to endure harassment of this kind. > >> I imagine that you have collect a lot of interesting >> material for your study of internet communities and >> how they deal with a crisis. >> >> Or maybe not - probably the listmembers that would >> support Jeroen are silent, because this is not a >> conflict between common listmembers, >> but between a listmember and the list Overlord. > > Hey, you forgot the emoticons! : ( > No, I didn't. > I guess that I support Nick's action, anyway I > gave up and killfiled Jeroen for keeps weeks ago. > We keep kicking around ideas on easy ways to > collectively deal with individuals who don't > respect etiquette. But until we do come up with one > that works, the listowner and overlord has to step in. > I begin to understand why Jeroen was singled-out to be the victim-of-the-day. Some reasons are obvious: he *was* a listowner, so our meme of challenge authority took control. Others are subtle. And his behaviour in the past days, with mailbombing, lawsuits, and forged headers, make him a very tasty target! Who's better to be harassed as someone who screams and shouts? I guess by now everybody will be very pleased, seeing how he is reacting. "I was right! He's not a member of a civilization! Let's ban him forever!" Alberto Monteiro PS: I am _also_ a meme-stereotype. If everybody is against Jeroen, then I must stand to be the Defender of the Lost Cause :-) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
shoelaces
http://www.u.arizona.edu/~gasmith/knots/knots.html The old saying goes that: "All I need to know I learned in kindergarten". Well, I certainly wish that somebody had told me about the proper way to tie my shoes back then! There is recent experimental evidence (but don't bother looking into any scientific journals for it) which suggests there is in fact a right and a wrong way to tie your shoes. The difference is subtle; the effect is not. Tie your shoes the right way and they will rarely come undone. Tie them the wrong way, and you will be frequently tripping over your shoelaces. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
