Re: Abstinence Only Sex Ed: 65 out of 490 Girls Pregnant in Ohio School

[Dave Land]

On Sep 2, 2005, at 3:46 PM, Warren Ockrassa wrote:


On Sep 2, 2005, at 3:08 PM, Julia Thompson wrote:


Jeez, I really can't keep that up. How do those people do it?

The problem is that you are "putting it on." It's not "who you  
are."  And besides, just who do you mean when you say "those  
people."


I assumed he meant "people who cop that attitude 24/7", nothing  
more, nothing less.


I think Dave was wryly suggesting he was one of those people.  
Dangnabbit.


I only wish I was that wry. As it is, I'm toasted rye at best.

I am NOT one of THOSE PEOPLE, and you should KEEP YOUR DAMNED VOICE  
DOWN when you're YELLING IN MY COMPUTER!


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Re: Abstinence Only Sex Ed: 65 out of 490 Girls Pregnant in Ohio School

[Warren Ockrassa]

On Sep 2, 2005, at 3:08 PM, Julia Thompson wrote:


Jeez, I really can't keep that up. How do those people do it?
The problem is that you are "putting it on." It's not "who you are."  
And besides, just who do you mean when you say "those people."

Dave


I assumed he meant "people who cop that attitude 24/7", nothing more, 
nothing less.


I think Dave was wryly suggesting he was one of those people. 
Dangnabbit.



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Re: Abstinence Only Sex Ed: 65 out of 490 Girls Pregnant in Ohio School

[Julia Thompson]

Dave Land wrote:

On Sep 2, 2005, at 12:19 PM, Warren Ockrassa wrote:


On Sep 1, 2005, at 11:10 AM, Julia Thompson wrote:

Uh, Warren, if you'd just FRIGGIN' SHOWN UP HERE LAST NIGHT you  
would have been welcome to all the cherry pie in the house.   
Really.  And ice cream to go with it.  And if that weren't enough,  I 
would have been happy to defrost the 2 slices of "Georgia Pecan  Pie" 
in the freezer for you.



Oh sure. Blame it on ME. Out tryin' to make a livin' t'keep  m'family 
fed and ALL I ASK when I get home is a LITTLE PEACE N QUIET…


Jeez, I really can't keep that up. How do those people do it?



The problem is that you are "putting it on." It's not "who you are."  
And besides, just who do you mean when you say "those people."


Dave


I assumed he meant "people who cop that attitude 24/7", nothing more, 
nothing less.


Julia

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Re: Abstinence Only Sex Ed: 65 out of 490 Girls Pregnant in Ohio School

[Julia Thompson]

Warren Ockrassa wrote:

On Sep 1, 2005, at 11:10 AM, Julia Thompson wrote:

Uh, Warren, if you'd just FRIGGIN' SHOWN UP HERE LAST NIGHT you would 
have been welcome to all the cherry pie in the house.  Really.  And 
ice cream to go with it.  And if that weren't enough, I would have 
been happy to defrost the 2 slices of "Georgia Pecan Pie" in the 
freezer for you.



Oh sure. Blame it on ME. Out tryin' to make a livin' t'keep m'family fed 
and ALL I ASK when I get home is a LITTLE PEACE N QUIET…


Jeez, I really can't keep that up. How do those people do it?


I have no idea, but it gets old really quickly.  So I didn't marry into 
a family that would be doing it.  :D


The family that I was born into wasn't going to pull that kind of crap, 
not with a retired NIH researcher as the matriarch.  :)


Julia

well, that was my mother's side -- on my father's side, it was just 
someone really good at first aid who managed to finish raising 6 boys 
after being widowed when the youngest was about 2

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Re: Abstinence Only Sex Ed: 65 out of 490 Girls Pregnant in Ohio School

[Dave Land]

On Sep 2, 2005, at 12:19 PM, Warren Ockrassa wrote:


On Sep 1, 2005, at 11:10 AM, Julia Thompson wrote:

Uh, Warren, if you'd just FRIGGIN' SHOWN UP HERE LAST NIGHT you  
would have been welcome to all the cherry pie in the house.   
Really.  And ice cream to go with it.  And if that weren't enough,  
I would have been happy to defrost the 2 slices of "Georgia Pecan  
Pie" in the freezer for you.


Oh sure. Blame it on ME. Out tryin' to make a livin' t'keep  
m'family fed and ALL I ASK when I get home is a LITTLE PEACE N QUIET…


Jeez, I really can't keep that up. How do those people do it?


The problem is that you are "putting it on." It's not "who you are."  
And besides, just who do you mean when you say "those people."


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Re: Abstinence Only Sex Ed: 65 out of 490 Girls Pregnant in Ohio School

[Warren Ockrassa]

On Sep 1, 2005, at 11:10 AM, Julia Thompson wrote:

Uh, Warren, if you'd just FRIGGIN' SHOWN UP HERE LAST NIGHT you would 
have been welcome to all the cherry pie in the house.  Really.  And 
ice cream to go with it.  And if that weren't enough, I would have 
been happy to defrost the 2 slices of "Georgia Pecan Pie" in the 
freezer for you.


Oh sure. Blame it on ME. Out tryin' to make a livin' t'keep m'family 
fed and ALL I ASK when I get home is a LITTLE PEACE N QUIET…


Jeez, I really can't keep that up. How do those people do it?


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Re: Abstinence Only Sex Ed: 65 out of 490 Girls Pregnant in Ohio School

[Julia Thompson]

Warren Ockrassa wrote:

On Sep 1, 2005, at 6:17 AM, Julia Thompson wrote:


Warren Ockrassa wrote:

Hey, I have a good idea. Let's felonize cheesecake. That'll curb 
cholesterol buildup in everyone.



No, it'll get you a mob of angry women and bring us one step closer to 
the collapse of civilization.  :)



As a member of the dominant and world-owning phallocentric patriarchy, I 
fail to understand the effect of your putative cause, probably because 
you're babbling hysterical nonsense.


Well, women WILL talk. Like magpies on a phone line. Caw caw caw. Ca-ca, 
I say.


Yer makin gibberish, woman. Kick off your sandals, shave where it's 
proper, get ye pregnant, and bake me a pie. Like now-like.


Hmph. Women … civilization … link. Right.

Hey … woman … I note there is still no pie before me, Pray, why?

And if not everyone is eating cheesecake, it won't curb cholesterol 
buildup in *everyone* -- won't do a darn thing in MY household, for 
instance.



Ahh, you're not permitted to speak anyway.

(Jut kidding.)

(Right. Shaddup.)

And I cannot help but not escape noticing that I am still pie-less. I am 
bereft of crust, berries or the French thing with frozen dairy shit. 
Why, exactly, is that?


I'm so glad I vote Republican. Whip this country back in shape, yes 
indeedy. Like the fluffy white topping on the PIE that I still see I AM 
NOT CURRENTLY IN THE MIDST OF ENJOYING.



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Current work in progress "The Seven-Year Mirror"
http://www.nightwares.com/books/ockrassa/Flat_Out.pdf


PS: Where's that GODDAMNED pie?

PPS: I have wrestled this back on topic with the subject, if you notice. 
(Yes, indeed, I have, though those unsubtle in thinking vapors, most 
probably men, might not see it such.)


You're welcome.

PPPS: Or whipped cream or fruit slices would be good too. On the side, 
you know. Maybe with a sprinkle of cinnamon. Or those things you do with 
the cheddar cheese, you know, grated light and fluffy like you do it. 
God, I remember the first time you made it like that, those sweet apple 
slices just oozing syrup, and that flaky crust, and all that cheese — 
fair's first, you said, and nearby was the sound of the brook and the 
bees just hummed lazily in the clover and you were their queen, the very 
body and soul of nectar and honey, and it was the finest thing you … um …


GODDAMMIT, WOMAN, BAKE ME A PIE!

(Hope the boys didn't see that.)

Kids: Stay in school. And off drugs. And clear of nooky. But not so 
clear you turn to the towel-boy, because even if he looks kinda 
female-like … well, don't go there. Unless it's dark and no one but the 
Father knows.


That's what Scouts are for.

Here's my phone number. Hush. Hush now. It's just what men do sometimes. 
You're a man, aren't you? Then stop crying. No, wait, give me back my 
phone number.


WHERE'S MY FUCKIN PIE?

Oh … by the way … take an abstinence vow. Cause it'll save you from 
damnation.


If by "damnation" you mean "my shotgun to your head" and "save" you mean 
"my daughter" and "I'll pull the trigger, I swear, if you ever fuck her" 
you mean you.


That girl is MINE.


Uh, Warren, if you'd just FRIGGIN' SHOWN UP HERE LAST NIGHT you would 
have been welcome to all the cherry pie in the house.  Really.  And ice 
cream to go with it.  And if that weren't enough, I would have been 
happy to defrost the 2 slices of "Georgia Pecan Pie" in the freezer for you.


Julia

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Re: Abstinence Only Sex Ed: 65 out of 490 Girls Pregnant in Ohio School

[Ronn!Blankenship]

At 10:07 AM Thursday 9/1/2005, Warren Ockrassa wrote:

On Sep 1, 2005, at 6:17 AM, Julia Thompson wrote:


Warren Ockrassa wrote:

Hey, I have a good idea. Let's felonize cheesecake. That'll curb 
cholesterol buildup in everyone.


No, it'll get you a mob of angry women and bring us one step closer to 
the collapse of civilization.  :)


As a member of the dominant and world-owning phallocentric patriarchy, I 
fail to understand the effect of your putative cause, probably because 
you're babbling hysterical nonsense.


Well, women WILL talk. Like magpies on a phone line. Caw caw caw. Ca-ca, I 
say.


Yer makin gibberish, woman. Kick off your sandals, shave where it's 
proper, get ye pregnant, and bake me a pie. Like now-like.


Hmph. Women … civilization … link. Right.

Hey … woman … I note there is still no pie before me, Pray, why?

And if not everyone is eating cheesecake, it won't curb cholesterol 
buildup in *everyone* -- won't do a darn thing in MY household, for instance.


Ahh, you're not permitted to speak anyway.

(Jut kidding.)

(Right. Shaddup.)

And I cannot help but not escape noticing that I am still pie-less. I am 
bereft of crust, berries or the French thing with frozen dairy shit. Why, 
exactly, is that?


I'm so glad I vote Republican. Whip this country back in shape, yes 
indeedy. Like the fluffy white topping on the PIE that I still see I AM 
NOT CURRENTLY IN THE MIDST OF ENJOYING.



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http://books.nightwares.com/
Current work in progress "The Seven-Year Mirror"
http://www.nightwares.com/books/ockrassa/Flat_Out.pdf


PS: Where's that GODDAMNED pie?

PPS: I have wrestled this back on topic with the subject, if you notice. 
(Yes, indeed, I have, though those unsubtle in thinking vapors, most 
probably men, might not see it such.)


You're welcome.

PPPS: Or whipped cream or fruit slices would be good too. On the side, you 
know. Maybe with a sprinkle of cinnamon. Or those things you do with the 
cheddar cheese, you know, grated light and fluffy like you do it. God, I 
remember the first time you made it like that, those sweet apple slices 
just oozing syrup, and that flaky crust, and all that cheese — fair's 
first, you said, and nearby was the sound of the brook and the bees just 
hummed lazily in the clover and you were their queen, the very body and 
soul of nectar and honey, and it was the finest thing you … um …


GODDAMMIT, WOMAN, BAKE ME A PIE!

(Hope the boys didn't see that.)

Kids: Stay in school. And off drugs. And clear of nooky. But not so clear 
you turn to the towel-boy, because even if he looks kinda female-like … 
well, don't go there. Unless it's dark and no one but the Father knows.


That's what Scouts are for.

Here's my phone number. Hush. Hush now. It's just what men do sometimes. 
You're a man, aren't you? Then stop crying. No, wait, give me back my 
phone number.


WHERE'S MY FUCKIN PIE?




I suspect that if you said this to a woman in person rather than via e-mail 
pie would not be the only thing you might find yourself lacking . . .



-- Ronn!  :)


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Re: Abstinence Only Sex Ed: 65 out of 490 Girls Pregnant in Ohio School

[Warren Ockrassa]

On Sep 1, 2005, at 6:17 AM, Julia Thompson wrote:


Warren Ockrassa wrote:

Hey, I have a good idea. Let's felonize cheesecake. That'll curb 
cholesterol buildup in everyone.


No, it'll get you a mob of angry women and bring us one step closer to 
the collapse of civilization.  :)


As a member of the dominant and world-owning phallocentric patriarchy, 
I fail to understand the effect of your putative cause, probably 
because you're babbling hysterical nonsense.


Well, women WILL talk. Like magpies on a phone line. Caw caw caw. 
Ca-ca, I say.


Yer makin gibberish, woman. Kick off your sandals, shave where it's 
proper, get ye pregnant, and bake me a pie. Like now-like.


Hmph. Women … civilization … link. Right.

Hey … woman … I note there is still no pie before me, Pray, why?

And if not everyone is eating cheesecake, it won't curb cholesterol 
buildup in *everyone* -- won't do a darn thing in MY household, for 
instance.


Ahh, you're not permitted to speak anyway.

(Jut kidding.)

(Right. Shaddup.)

And I cannot help but not escape noticing that I am still pie-less. I 
am bereft of crust, berries or the French thing with frozen dairy shit. 
Why, exactly, is that?


I'm so glad I vote Republican. Whip this country back in shape, yes 
indeedy. Like the fluffy white topping on the PIE that I still see I AM 
NOT CURRENTLY IN THE MIDST OF ENJOYING.



--
Warren Ockrassa, Publisher/Editor, nightwares Books
http://books.nightwares.com/
Current work in progress "The Seven-Year Mirror"
http://www.nightwares.com/books/ockrassa/Flat_Out.pdf


PS: Where's that GODDAMNED pie?

PPS: I have wrestled this back on topic with the subject, if you 
notice. (Yes, indeed, I have, though those unsubtle in thinking vapors, 
most probably men, might not see it such.)


You're welcome.

PPPS: Or whipped cream or fruit slices would be good too. On the side, 
you know. Maybe with a sprinkle of cinnamon. Or those things you do 
with the cheddar cheese, you know, grated light and fluffy like you do 
it. God, I remember the first time you made it like that, those sweet 
apple slices just oozing syrup, and that flaky crust, and all that 
cheese — fair's first, you said, and nearby was the sound of the brook 
and the bees just hummed lazily in the clover and you were their queen, 
the very body and soul of nectar and honey, and it was the finest thing 
you … um …


GODDAMMIT, WOMAN, BAKE ME A PIE!

(Hope the boys didn't see that.)

Kids: Stay in school. And off drugs. And clear of nooky. But not so 
clear you turn to the towel-boy, because even if he looks kinda 
female-like … well, don't go there. Unless it's dark and no one but the 
Father knows.


That's what Scouts are for.

Here's my phone number. Hush. Hush now. It's just what men do 
sometimes. You're a man, aren't you? Then stop crying. No, wait, give 
me back my phone number.


WHERE'S MY FUCKIN PIE?

Oh … by the way … take an abstinence vow. Cause it'll save you from 
damnation.


If by "damnation" you mean "my shotgun to your head" and "save" you 
mean "my daughter" and "I'll pull the trigger, I swear, if you ever 
fuck her" you mean you.


That girl is MINE.

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Re: Abstinence Only Sex Ed: 65 out of 490 Girls Pregnant in Ohio School

[Warren Ockrassa]

On Sep 1, 2005, at 5:17 AM, Alberto Monteiro wrote:



Dave Land wrote:


No, actually, a couple of generations later, a bunch of them turned
up in Rome. Thankfully, that nice boy Nero did us all a favor by
burning them as torches along his way and fed a bunch of 'em to
lions. That sure shut them up, eh?


This is a homophobic myth! Nero was a pacificist and gentle
emperor, who only wished to be remembered as an artist and
athlete.


So you're suggesting that Nero sucked while Rome flamed?


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Re: Abstinence Only Sex Ed: 65 out of 490 Girls Pregnant in Ohio School

[Julia Thompson]

Warren Ockrassa wrote:

Hey, I have a good idea. Let's felonize cheesecake. That'll curb 
cholesterol buildup in everyone.


No, it'll get you a mob of angry women and bring us one step closer to 
the collapse of civilization.  :)


And if not everyone is eating cheesecake, it won't curb cholesterol 
buildup in *everyone* -- won't do a darn thing in MY household, for 
instance.


Julia

now, outlawing rich chocolate stuff might get you somewhere -- dead by 
the hands of chocoholics who can't actually handle the purer stuff  :)

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Re: Abstinence Only Sex Ed: 65 out of 490 Girls Pregnant in Ohio School

[Alberto Monteiro]

Dave Land wrote:
> 
> No, actually, a couple of generations later, a bunch of them turned  
> up in Rome. Thankfully, that nice boy Nero did us all a favor by  
> burning them as torches along his way and fed a bunch of 'em to  
> lions. That sure shut them up, eh?
> 
This is a homophobic myth! Nero was a pacificist and gentle
emperor, who only wished to be remembered as an artist and
athlete.

Alberto Monteiro

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Re: Abstinence Only Sex Ed: 65 out of 490 Girls Pregnant in Ohio School

[Leonard Matusik]

On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 12:57:58 -0700---Warren Ockrassa
continued this most interesting comparison between drugs and religion..

>That's simply not going to happen. As long as 
>intoxicants exist, humans will cultivate and consume them.

>Actually a better way of putting it might be: As long as humans exist, 
>we will continue to cultivate and consume intoxicants.

>There is no hope that your ideas regarding banning religion will ever 
>see fruition...

Unless, of course, you could *Kill 'em all and let Darwin sort out the good 
ones" ---USMCparaphrased

>If religion ever does go away it will be because we've moved beyond it, much 
>as >we've (for the most part) moved beyond alchemy.

Unless , of course, you're a student of Carl Jung (sheesh, wasn't HE a putz)

 

Leonard (sorry, I'm not up to thinking today) Matusik [EMAIL PROTECTED]



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Re: Abstinence Only Sex Ed: 65 out of 490 Girls Pregnant in Ohio School

[William T Goodall]

On 1 Sep 2005, at 7:40 am, Dave Land wrote:


On Aug 31, 2005, at 2:48 AM, William T Goodall wrote:



On 31 Aug 2005, at 3:42 am, Doug Pensinger wrote:



William wrote:



Most of all it needs to be banned.



Banning it is the best way to ensure that it flourishes.



It would drive it underground. The number of people infected would  
be reduced and its influence in public affairs mostly silenced.  
Whether it would then wither away naturally or have to be rooted  
out is hard to judge.




Amen, brother!

Like when they killed that Jewish reformer in Jerusalem a couple of  
thousand years ago. His lot went underground and nobody ever heard  
from them again.


No, actually, a couple of generations later, a bunch of them turned  
up in Rome. Thankfully, that nice boy Nero did us all a favor by  
burning them as torches along his way and fed a bunch of 'em to  
lions. That sure shut them up, eh?


Sheesh. Do you EVER think before you write?


My arguments must be working to free your mind :)

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Re: Abstinence Only Sex Ed: 65 out of 490 Girls Pregnant in Ohio School

[Warren Ockrassa]

On Aug 31, 2005, at 11:40 PM, Dave Land wrote:

No, actually, a couple of generations later, a bunch of them turned up 
in Rome. Thankfully, that nice boy Nero did us all a favor by burning 
them as torches along his way and fed a bunch of 'em to lions. That 
sure shut them up, eh?


Shows what you know. They got involved in government, and their 
corruption quickly exposed them as being the opportunistic savages they 
were. Public outcry was strong enough that they were driven out of Rome 
to some Saracen stronghold. Istanbul, I think it was. That cleared up 
the problem forever.


Right?

Hey, I have a good idea. Let's felonize cheesecake. That'll curb 
cholesterol buildup in everyone.



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Re: Abstinence Only Sex Ed: 65 out of 490 Girls Pregnant in Ohio School

[Dave Land]

On Aug 31, 2005, at 2:48 AM, William T Goodall wrote:


On 31 Aug 2005, at 3:42 am, Doug Pensinger wrote:


William wrote:


Most of all it needs to be banned.


Banning it is the best way to ensure that it flourishes.


It would drive it underground. The number of people infected would  
be reduced and its influence in public affairs mostly silenced.  
Whether it would then wither away naturally or have to be rooted  
out is hard to judge.


Amen, brother!

Like when they killed that Jewish reformer in Jerusalem a couple of  
thousand years ago. His lot went underground and nobody ever heard  
from them again.


No, actually, a couple of generations later, a bunch of them turned  
up in Rome. Thankfully, that nice boy Nero did us all a favor by  
burning them as torches along his way and fed a bunch of 'em to  
lions. That sure shut them up, eh?


Sheesh. Do you EVER think before you write?

Dave
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Re: Abstinence Only Sex Ed: 65 out of 490 Girls Pregnant in Ohio School

[Warren Ockrassa]

On Aug 31, 2005, at 12:48 PM, William T Goodall wrote:

I think we can take a lesson from history here in the form of the US 
"war on drugs", which has been an expensive and miserable failure. 
Any student of human nature would have predicted that.


If you're of the mindset that religiosity is addictive, that its 
effects on the human animal are analogous to drugs, I think the 
conclusion is inescapable. Banning religion won't help a single iota.


Smoking is getting banned in more and more places and people are going 
along with that. A generation ago the majority smoked. Now the 
majority (in the USA) are religious. I hope that goes the way of 
smoking.


You don't really think we're going to see an end to tobacco use in the 
human species, do you? That's simply not going to happen. As long as 
intoxicants exist, humans will cultivate and consume them.


Actually a better way of putting it might be: As long as humans exist, 
we will continue to cultivate and consume intoxicants.


There is no hope that your ideas regarding banning religion will ever 
see fruition. Give up on the idea now and pursue something more likely 
to bear fruit, such as slowly and certainly deprogramming others by 
showing how it's possible to be a rational atheist. If religion ever 
does go away it will be because we've moved beyond it, much as we've 
(for the most part) moved beyond alchemy. Absolutely no judicial fiat 
will ever cause religion to vanish.



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Re: Abstinence Only Sex Ed: 65 out of 490 Girls Pregnant in Ohio School

[Ronn!Blankenship]

At 02:48 PM Wednesday 8/31/2005, William T Goodall wrote:


Smoking is getting banned in more and more places and people are
going along with that. A generation ago the majority smoked. Now the
majority (in the USA) are religious. I hope that goes the way of
smoking.




Some would say just wait until the next life . . .


Eternity: Smoking Or Non-Smoking? Maru


-- Ronn!  :)


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Re: Abstinence Only Sex Ed: 65 out of 490 Girls Pregnant in Ohio School

[William T Goodall]

On 31 Aug 2005, at 8:27 pm, Warren Ockrassa wrote:


On Aug 31, 2005, at 2:48 AM, William T Goodall wrote:


It would drive it underground. The number of people infected would  
be reduced and its influence in public affairs mostly silenced.  
Whether it would then wither away naturally or have to be rooted  
out is hard to judge.




I think we can take a lesson from history here in the form of the  
US "war on drugs", which has been an expensive and miserable  
failure. Any student of human nature would have predicted that.


If you're of the mindset that religiosity is addictive, that its  
effects on the human animal are analogous to drugs, I think the  
conclusion is inescapable. Banning religion won't help a single iota.


Smoking is getting banned in more and more places and people are  
going along with that. A generation ago the majority smoked. Now the  
majority (in the USA) are religious. I hope that goes the way of  
smoking.




Only open, reasoned discussion can counteract a meme that is  
parasitic and potentially lethal. You must be aware of that. This  
means that nonbelievers have to be more straightforward about  
putting forth their nonreligious perspectives; but it does NOT mean  
we need to be aggressive, threatening, belligerent or insulting of  
others' lives or intelligence.


The very best you're likely to see, ever, is an uneasy compromise  
between doubt and faith. It would be more productive for you from a  
personal perspective to deal with that, I think, and approach the  
question from that assumption rather than the dogmatic one you've  
adopted.





The best I hope to see is the end of religion. I won't get that by  
being all soft and wishy-washy on evil nonsense.


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Re: Abstinence Only Sex Ed: 65 out of 490 Girls Pregnant in Ohio School

[Warren Ockrassa]

On Aug 31, 2005, at 2:48 AM, William T Goodall wrote:

It would drive it underground. The number of people infected would be 
reduced and its influence in public affairs mostly silenced. Whether 
it would then wither away naturally or have to be rooted out is hard 
to judge.


I think we can take a lesson from history here in the form of the US 
"war on drugs", which has been an expensive and miserable failure. Any 
student of human nature would have predicted that.


If you're of the mindset that religiosity is addictive, that its 
effects on the human animal are analogous to drugs, I think the 
conclusion is inescapable. Banning religion won't help a single iota.


Only open, reasoned discussion can counteract a meme that is parasitic 
and potentially lethal. You must be aware of that. This means that 
nonbelievers have to be more straightforward about putting forth their 
nonreligious perspectives; but it does NOT mean we need to be 
aggressive, threatening, belligerent or insulting of others' lives or 
intelligence.


The very best you're likely to see, ever, is an uneasy compromise 
between doubt and faith. It would be more productive for you from a 
personal perspective to deal with that, I think, and approach the 
question from that assumption rather than the dogmatic one you've 
adopted.



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Re: Abstinence Only Sex Ed: 65 out of 490 Girls Pregnant in Ohio School

[Alberto Monteiro]

Leonard Matusik reinterpreted:
> 
> "The days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a New Deal 
> with the Children of Man. It won't be like the Old Deal, when I when 
> I allowed political machines and other synthetic persons to dominate 
> their lives. It will be this way, I will place my law within them 
> and inpermiate their memnats. I will be their god and they will be 
> ThePeople. No longer will they need their friends and relatives to 
> teach them *How to Know the Lord*.  ALL, from the least to the 
> greatest, shall know ME, says the lord, for I will forgive their 
> selfish indulgences and not hold their short-sighted ways against 
> them." - Jeremiah 31-34, with great literary license, @500 bce
> 
So, in essence, Jeremiah is predicting genetic engineering of
a new race of Man, whose selfish genes will be removed :-)

Alberto Monteiro

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Re: Abstinence Only Sex Ed: 65 out of 490 Girls Pregnant in Ohio School

[Leonard Matusik]

Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:48:50 +0100 William T Goodall 

>On 31 Aug 2005, at 3:42 am, Doug Pensinger wrote:

>>> William wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>Most of all it needs to be banned.
>>
>
>> Banning it is the best way to ensure that it flourishes.

>It would drive it underground. The number of people infected would be 
>reduced and its influence in public affairs mostly silenced. Whether 
>it would then wither away naturally or have to be rooted out is hard 
>to judge.
--
>William T Goodall

 

Who's gonna ban it?  You?  *THEM*?   Face it Dude, the Revolution is Now. 
Rejoice! (or stay grumpy, it's your choice) Organized Religion is all that 
remains of the pathetic attempts to control the human spirit. In deep time, it 
will go the way of Soviet Communism, CanabalisticCapitalism and (hopefully 
soon) Federalism.  

"The days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a New Deal with the 
Children of Man. It won't be like the Old Deal, when I when I allowed political 
machines and other synthetic persons to dominate their lives. It will be this 
way, I will place my law within them and inpermiate their memnats. I will be 
their god and they will be ThePeople. No longer will they need their friends 
and relatives to teach them *How to Know the Lord*.  ALL, from the least to the 
greatest, shall know ME, says the lord, for I will forgive their selfish 
indulgences and not hold their short-sighted ways against them." - Jeremiah 
31-34, with great literary license, @500 bce

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Re: Abstinence Only Sex Ed: 65 out of 490 Girls Pregnant in Ohio School

[William T Goodall]

On 31 Aug 2005, at 3:42 am, Doug Pensinger wrote:


William wrote:



Most of all it needs to be banned.



Banning it is the best way to ensure that it flourishes.


It would drive it underground. The number of people infected would be  
reduced and its influence in public affairs mostly silenced. Whether  
it would then wither away naturally or have to be rooted out is hard  
to judge.


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Re: Abstinence Only Sex Ed: 65 out of 490 Girls Pregnant in Ohio School

[Doug Pensinger]

William wrote:


Most of all it needs to be banned.


Banning it is the best way to ensure that it flourishes.

--
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Re: Abstinence Only Sex Ed: 65 out of 490 Girls Pregnant in Ohio School

[William T Goodall]

On 29 Aug 2005, at 9:06 pm, Warren Ockrassa wrote:

For a while I was an angry atheist too. But as sincerely as you  
might believe there's abundant evil in religion in general --  
certainly the *capacity* to forgive vicious behavior exists in  
religions, as well as the capacity to suggest, even promote such  
behavior -- the argument is simply going to be better made with  
less vehemence.


Specificity helps as well, rather than making generalizations. As  
an example, if you draw a parallel between hijackers flying planes  
into buildings and True Believers blowing up abortion clinics, you  
make a point that can deeply shake even committed right-wing  
fundamentalist believers. If you point out that al-Zarqawi's calls  
for destruction of infidels are very, very similar to Pat  
Robertson's recent endorsement of annihilation of radical Muslims,  
you've got a strong case that most people will be unable to ignore.


Debating with these people simply lends credibility to their  
ridiculous gibberish. Religion needs to be ridiculed and mocked or  
ignored.


Most of all it needs to be banned.

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Re: Abstinence Only Sex Ed: 65 out of 490 Girls Pregnant in Ohio School

[Warren Ockrassa]

On Aug 28, 2005, at 5:49 AM, The Fool wrote:


From: Warren Ockrassa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>



The fault with ab-only sex ed lies not in JDG, but in the
implementation. Simply posting the article without specific referent
would have been much more effective, I think.


No the fault lies in the diseased ideology of certain religious
fascists.


For a while I was an angry atheist too. But as sincerely as you might 
believe there's abundant evil in religion in general -- certainly the 
*capacity* to forgive vicious behavior exists in religions, as well as 
the capacity to suggest, even promote such behavior -- the argument is 
simply going to be better made with less vehemence.


Specificity helps as well, rather than making generalizations. As an 
example, if you draw a parallel between hijackers flying planes into 
buildings and True Believers blowing up abortion clinics, you make a 
point that can deeply shake even committed right-wing fundamentalist 
believers. If you point out that al-Zarqawi's calls for destruction of 
infidels are very, very similar to Pat Robertson's recent endorsement 
of annihilation of radical Muslims, you've got a strong case that most 
people will be unable to ignore.


In neither indictment is there a larger connection made about the 
"evil" of religious tendency; in both cases what you do, hopefully, is 
get religious people *thinking* about what they believe, what they 
preach and, ideally, about how they behave. That, to me, is 
considerably more effective than pointing out that Christianity has 
disturbing overtones of genocide in its history, as well as ritual 
cannibalism.


It's not religious thinking that is the problem; religious thinking 
*can* piggyback onto the real trouble, but it is not the actual source 
of the trouble. The root problem is *any* tendency to blindly follow 
*any* leader, *any* tendency to want to adhere to a creed, *any* 
tendency to insist that one's own group is right while The Others are 
all wrong.


As such, fundamentalist religiosity *is not the disease* -- it is a 
*symptom*.


That tendency was one of the reasons the US was so primed to attack 
Iraq on shallow and highly questionable evidence, and that's why you 
still get apologists now insisting that Bush and co. did the "right" 
thing.


But if you were paying attention in 2002, you saw that many, many 
people who backed attacking Iraq were not of a right-wing persuasion. 
They were simply afraid, and angry, and wanted to both get revenge on 
"those people" (the meaning of the term varied from person to person) 
and regain a sense of personal safety and security that they felt they 
had lost.


That's not an unnatural tendency, nor is it a bizarre or 
difficult-to-understand desire. And it seems to me that *some* people 
get involved with fundamentalism for similar reasons: They're afraid of 
that which is different from themselves, they want the world to be 
easily comprehensible, and they don't feel comfortable with (or perhaps 
are unskilled at handling) ethical ambiguity. And there is absolutely 
no way you can sway or affect their thinking by, in essence, promoting 
a direct frontal assault on ideals which form a major component of 
their inner landscapes.


As your quote of Goldwater pointed out, most people tend to be hard 
aligned to their faiths. What you might have missed is that the street 
goes both ways; just as it's possible for a fundamentalist to be so 
hardlined that he thinks it's sensible to kill medical doctors who 
perform abortions, it's possible for an atheist to be so radicalized 
that he advocates abolition of religion, and sometimes the religious; 
this view is every bit as alienating as is the fundamentalist mindset. 
I believe they are different aspects of precisely the same outlook: I'm 
right, you're wrong, and that's all there is to it.


Which is a totally useless argument; it is, quite simply, dogmatic 
thinking, regardless of who is actually doing the thinking.



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Re: Abstinence Only Sex Ed: 65 out of 490 Girls Pregnant in Ohio School

[William T Goodall]

On 28 Aug 2005, at 12:51 am, The Fool wrote:


From: Dave Land <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>





With all that, thanks for the post. It goes with my recent rant (not


on


list) that God is definitely working through those your so-called
"Jeebo- Fascists", just not at all the way they think He is. Pat
Robertson's murderous ravings, the failure of programs like this one


and


the nonsense of "intelligent design" are all contributing to a sense
that conservative Christianity is off the rails. Now, if we liberal
Christians can just get off our asses and tell the story of a
Christianity that doesn't label anyone who is not *exactly* like us a
damned sinner, maybe we'll be getting somewhere.



Don't be absurd.  "Chistianity" has never been _on_ the rails.  It's
always been a bloodthirsty murderous cult, obsesed with blood, and
killing, and converting at the point of a sword.  It's an evil
pervasive disease that will drive the human race extinct.



I wouldn't put it as mildly as that.

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Re: Abstinence Only Sex Ed: 65 out of 490 Girls Pregnant in Ohio School

[The Fool]

> From: Warren Ockrassa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> The fault with ab-only sex ed lies not in JDG, but in the 
> implementation. Simply posting the article without specific referent 
> would have been much more effective, I think.

No the fault lies in the diseased ideology of certain religious
fascists.

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Re: Abstinence Only Sex Ed: 65 out of 490 Girls Pregnant in Ohio School

[The Fool]

> From: Dave Land <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> With all that, thanks for the post. It goes with my recent rant (not
on
> list) that God is definitely working through those your so-called
> "Jeebo- Fascists", just not at all the way they think He is. Pat
> Robertson's murderous ravings, the failure of programs like this one
and
> the nonsense of "intelligent design" are all contributing to a sense
> that conservative Christianity is off the rails. Now, if we liberal
> Christians can just get off our asses and tell the story of a
> Christianity that doesn't label anyone who is not *exactly* like us a
> damned sinner, maybe we'll be getting somewhere.

Don't be absurd.  "Chistianity" has never been _on_ the rails.  It's
always been a bloodthirsty murderous cult, obsesed with blood, and
killing, and converting at the point of a sword.  It's an evil
pervasive disease that will drive the human race extinct.


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However, on religious issues there can be little or no compromise.
There is no position on which people are so immovable as their
religious beliefs. There is no more powerful ally one can claim in a
debate than Jesus Christ, or God, or Allah, or whatever one calls this
supreme being. But like any powerful weapon, the use of God's name on
one's behalf should be used sparingly. The religious factions that are
growing throughout our land are not using their religious clout with
wisdom. They are trying to force government leaders into following
their position 100 percent. If you disagree with these religious groups
on a particular moral issue, they complain, they threaten you with a
loss of money or votes or both. I'm frankly sick and tired of the
political preachers across this country telling me as a citizen that if
I want to be a moral person, I must believe in 'A,' 'B,' 'C,' and 'D.'
Just who do they think they are? And from where do they presume to
claim the right to dictate their moral beliefs to me? And I am even
more angry as a legislator who must endure the threats of every
religious group who thinks it has some God-granted right to control my
vote on every roll call in the Senate. I am warning them today: I will
fight them every step of the way if they try to dictate their moral
convictions to all Americans in the name of 'conservatism.'
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Re: Abstinence Only Sex Ed: 65 out of 490 Girls Pregnant in Ohio School

[The Fool]

> From: Julia Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> Dave Land wrote:
> 
> > With all that, thanks for the post. It goes with my recent rant
(not on
> > list) that God is definitely working through those your so-called
> > "Jeebo- Fascists", just not at all the way they think He is. Pat
> > Robertson's murderous ravings, the failure of programs like this
one and
> > the nonsense of "intelligent design" are all contributing to a
sense
> > that conservative Christianity is off the rails. Now, if we liberal
> > Christians can just get off our asses and tell the story of a
> > Christianity that doesn't label anyone who is not *exactly* like us
a
> > damned sinner, maybe we'll be getting somewhere.
> > 
> > Peace,
> > 
> > Dave
> 
> And you have given me the perfect opening for offering up this link:
> 
> http://www.oriononline.org/pages/om/05-4om/Duncan.html
> 
> (It's 2 pages, link to second page at the bottom of the first page.)
> 
> I read the article yesterday and have been thinking some about it. 
Any 
> comment anyone cares to make, I will read.

I'll see your Duncan and Raise you a DarkSyde:
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Re: Abstinence Only Sex Ed: 65 out of 490 Girls Pregnant in Ohio School

[Warren Ockrassa]

On Aug 27, 2005, at 8:46 PM, Leonard Matusik wrote:

Pretty soon you'll find yourself in my shoes. First they'll start 
checking your spelling, making smartass remarks about your heartfelt 
opinions, then no one will comment on your posts at all!


FWIW, my primary issue with posts from you was that you failed to 
properly nest quotes. It became difficult at best to determine where 
you were commenting on someone else, and where that person's comments 
began and ended. Clear delineation and attribution is pretty important 
in threaded discussion.



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Re: Abstinence Only Sex Ed: 65 out of 490 Girls Pregnant in Ohio School

[Doug Pensinger]

Leonard wrote:





"All is Brin"- Doug Pennell


I don't know who Mr. Pennell might be, but I know that that quote is 
attributable to former list member Eythain Lazh.


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Re: Abstinence Only Sex Ed: 65 out of 490 Girls Pregnant in Ohio School

[Leonard Matusik]

Fri, 26 Aug 2005 18:19:01 -0500 Robert Seeberger wrote:
>The Fool wrote:
>>
>> See what happens when Jeebo-Fascists like JDG get power:

>Can you lay off John and anyone else on this list you disagree with?
>There was absolutely no call to even mention John in your post.
>Regardless of what John believes or how much you may disagree with 
>him, you have no business making him the posterboy for whatever 
>crusade you happen to be on.

>You just dropped a long way down the credibility slope AFAIC.


Yeh boy, it's not hard.  Pretty soon you'll find yourself in my shoes. First 
they'll start checking your spelling, making smartass remarks about your 
heartfelt opinions, then no one will comment on your posts at all!  

Hell, and all I did was dog on ONE person (well, it WAS Brin...and perhaps 
maybe Goodall... but only indirectly... *and he makes it TOO easy*):-D

I'll take a shot at pissing ya off Mr.TheFool. One thing NO one happened to 
mention about this thread  Who really cares?   So 12% of the girls in some 
GB'ed high school in Ohio is pregnant?  If you'd gone back in time 100 years, a 
sampling of the same population would've given you an 80% statistic.  So what's 
your point? A nation besoted with SUV's and 5,000 SqFt homes for 2 people can't 
afford 65 babys? Shoot, the only ones being REALLY inconvienenced by kids are 
their parents! (I know!, I have 7;) (4 of 'em adopted so  there) 

I used to be a die-hard ZPGer but I no longer believe in *overpopulation*. I 
believe only in Waste, Mismanagement and Greed.   

..and I just don't get these simplistic Malthusian/Darwinian constructs 
anymore. Maybe, I've just read too many books. Some of ya'all know what I'm 
talking about. The rest of you should try it. (or just reference *permaculture* 
or *chaos* in the WikiPedia for a start)

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Re: Abstinence Only Sex Ed: 65 out of 490 Girls Pregnant in Ohio School

[Robert Seeberger]

Julia Thompson wrote:
> Dave Land wrote:
>
>> With all that, thanks for the post. It goes with my recent rant 
>> (not
>> on list) that God is definitely working through those your 
>> so-called
>> "Jeebo- Fascists", just not at all the way they think He is. Pat
>> Robertson's murderous ravings, the failure of programs like this 
>> one
>> and the nonsense of "intelligent design" are all contributing to a
>> sense that conservative Christianity is off the rails. Now, if we
>> liberal Christians can just get off our asses and tell the story of 
>> a
>> Christianity that doesn't label anyone who is not *exactly* like us 
>> a
>> damned sinner, maybe we'll be getting somewhere.
>>
>> Peace,
>>
>> Dave
>
> And you have given me the perfect opening for offering up this link:
>
> http://www.oriononline.org/pages/om/05-4om/Duncan.html
>
> (It's 2 pages, link to second page at the bottom of the first page.)
>
> I read the article yesterday and have been thinking some about it. 
> Any comment anyone cares to make, I will read.
>

I find it to be quite obvious, and in that I mean to say that I agree.


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Re: Abstinence Only Sex Ed: 65 out of 490 Girls Pregnant in Ohio School

[Julia Thompson]

Dave Land wrote:


With all that, thanks for the post. It goes with my recent rant (not on
list) that God is definitely working through those your so-called
"Jeebo- Fascists", just not at all the way they think He is. Pat
Robertson's murderous ravings, the failure of programs like this one and
the nonsense of "intelligent design" are all contributing to a sense
that conservative Christianity is off the rails. Now, if we liberal
Christians can just get off our asses and tell the story of a
Christianity that doesn't label anyone who is not *exactly* like us a
damned sinner, maybe we'll be getting somewhere.

Peace,

Dave


And you have given me the perfect opening for offering up this link:

http://www.oriononline.org/pages/om/05-4om/Duncan.html

(It's 2 pages, link to second page at the bottom of the first page.)

I read the article yesterday and have been thinking some about it.  Any 
comment anyone cares to make, I will read.


Julia

just maybe not until after the kids have gone to bed tonight
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Re: Abstinence Only Sex Ed: 65 out of 490 Girls Pregnant in Ohio School

[Dave Land]

On Aug 26, 2005, at 3:57 PM, The Fool wrote:


From: Robert Seeberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

The Fool wrote:


See what happens when Jeebo-Fascists like JDG get power:


Can you lay off John and anyone else on this list you disagree with?
There was absolutely no call to even mention John in your post.
Regardless of what John believes or how much you may disagree with  
him,
you have no business making him the poster boy for whatever  
crusade you

happen to be on.


This is the kind of thing JDG promotes.  Since he promotes these kinds
of things incessantly it is not all inappropriate to mention him.


Frankly, I would prefer it if all of us on this list would refrain from
personal attacks. JDG had no reason to appear in your post, other than
the grudge you evidently carry about your belief that he promotes these
kinds of things.

Pinning this on him was over the line. Calling him a "Jeebo-fascist" was
over yet another line, one that is more broadly recognized in this
community: we don't make personal attacks.

With all that, thanks for the post. It goes with my recent rant (not on
list) that God is definitely working through those your so-called
"Jeebo- Fascists", just not at all the way they think He is. Pat
Robertson's murderous ravings, the failure of programs like this one and
the nonsense of "intelligent design" are all contributing to a sense
that conservative Christianity is off the rails. Now, if we liberal
Christians can just get off our asses and tell the story of a
Christianity that doesn't label anyone who is not *exactly* like us a
damned sinner, maybe we'll be getting somewhere.

Peace,

Dave
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Re: Abstinence Only Sex Ed: 65 out of 490 Girls Pregnant in Ohio School

[William T Goodall]

On 27 Aug 2005, at 1:38 am, Trent Shipley wrote:


On Friday 2005-08-26 11:28, William T Goodall wrote:



Or we could outsource it to countries that can manage it cheaper like
China or India and have them shipped over at 22 or whatever when they
have their degrees and are ready to start working. Brought up using
European standards of language and beliefs of course :)



That has been the American policy for decades.

We call it the brain drain.

It hasn't worked so well in Europe where the culture is not built  
around

assimilation of immigrants.


They wouldn't need to be assimilated if they were 'brought up using  
European standards of language and beliefs' - which is why I  
stipulated that.


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Re: Abstinence Only Sex Ed: 65 out of 490 Girls Pregnant in Ohio School

[Trent Shipley]

On Friday 2005-08-26 11:28, William T Goodall wrote:

> Or we could outsource it to countries that can manage it cheaper like
> China or India and have them shipped over at 22 or whatever when they
> have their degrees and are ready to start working. Brought up using
> European standards of language and beliefs of course :)

That has been the American policy for decades.

We call it the brain drain.

It hasn't worked so well in Europe where the culture is not built around 
assimilation of immigrants.
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Re: Abstinence Only Sex Ed: 65 out of 490 Girls Pregnant in Ohio School

[Robert Seeberger]

The Fool wrote:
>
> See what happens when Jeebo-Fascists like JDG get power:

Can you lay off John and anyone else on this list you disagree with?
There was absolutely no call to even mention John in your post.
Regardless of what John believes or how much you may disagree with 
him, you have no business making him the posterboy for whatever 
crusade you happen to be on.

You just dropped a long way down the credibility slope AFAIC.


xponent
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Re: Abstinence Only Sex Ed: 65 out of 490 Girls Pregnant in Ohio School

[William T Goodall]

On 26 Aug 2005, at 5:14 pm, Alberto Monteiro wrote:



The Fool wrote:



1 in seven.



1 in eight. 7.6 approximates to 8.



In a school given $70,000 of your tax tax dollars to
promote a fundamentalist version of abstinence only sex education.

See what happens when Jeebo-Fascists like JDG get power:



This is good, isn´t it? Only by having young girls catch babies
we will be able to revert the ageing process of the population.

Maybe Europe should adopt this program too!



We need to recognise the real economic value of motherhood and start  
paying mothers a lump sum of $50,000 for each child they produce + a  
salary for the years they take off their other career to raise them.


Or we could outsource it to countries that can manage it cheaper like  
China or India and have them shipped over at 22 or whatever when they  
have their degrees and are ready to start working. Brought up using  
European standards of language and beliefs of course :)



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Re: Abstinence Only Sex Ed: 65 out of 490 Girls Pregnant in Ohio School

[Alberto Monteiro]

The Fool wrote:
>
> 1 in seven.
>
1 in eight. 7.6 approximates to 8.

> In a school given $70,000 of your tax tax dollars to
> promote a fundamentalist version of abstinence only sex education.
> 
> See what happens when Jeebo-Fascists like JDG get power:
> 
This is good, isn´t it? Only by having young girls catch babies
we will be able to revert the ageing process of the population.

Maybe Europe should adopt this program too!

Alberto "I love Bush and thank him for the oil prices" Monteiro

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Abstinence Only Sex Ed: 65 out of 490 Girls Pregnant in Ohio School

[The Fool]

1 in seven.  In a school given $70,000 of your tax tax dollars to
promote a fundamentalist version of abstinence only sex education.

See what happens when Jeebo-Fascists like JDG get power:

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Today on the local NPR station, Canton City Schools Superintendent
Dianne Talarico broke the silence. She announced today that Canton City
Schools would be "investigating" whether or not the system should
abandon abstinence-only programs and look towards something that will
prevent teenage pregnancies.
By all accounts, and from my own personal meetings with her, Talarico
is a good woman who cares about her students. I've never seen anyone
work harder to secure a levy to save jobs and buildings like she did in
early 2004, and I believe she will see the light on this issue as well.
But the lesson here is simple. Abstinence-only was taught at Timken
High School. Since that lesson was adopted, one out of every 7.6 girls
got pregnant. 

For those asking for links to show that Canton City Schools was under
an abstinence-based sex education agenda, here's the link you need:
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