Re: [Care2002-developers] "same old basic problems"

[Tim Schofield]

Thanks Kizito, I believe care2x is still a good project despite the
lack of updates over recent years. In terms of functionality it still
beats most other open source HIS, and I hope to breathe more life into
it.

Tim
On Fri, 24 Aug 2018 at 08:25, Bwana Kizito  wrote:
>
> This should be the way to go. We appreciate your efforts Tim in keeping it 
> running over the years. (frankly I think no-one else is using it on PHP7). 
> The main branch seems to be dormant for almost a decade, probably the society 
> should adopt Tim's version when the time comes.
>
> Wakatabahu!
>
> Bw. Kizito S.M.
> Skype: kizoman
> Mob: +255 75 543 7887
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 4:20 PM Tim Schofield  
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Alejandro,
>>
>> Thank you very much for your email, and very helpful comments. I am an
>> accountant, and not a clinician, so I have always tried not to
>> interfere with the workflow in care2x, unless otherwise instructed by
>> clinicians.
>>
>> If you select "login" from the menu on the left, and login from there
>> it shouldn't keep asking for repeated logins. It will time out after
>> an interval but off the top if my head I can't remember what that
>> interval is.
>>
>> I am aware that there are bugs in the demo I put online, the code
>> didn't run at all on PHP7.x so I have done my best to get something
>> running, and I fixed most of the bugs, but I know it is not 100%.
>>
>> As a humble bean counter I have always found the care2x code complex
>> and impenetrable. Our first aim was to simplify the code, so that
>> people who aren't professional coders can understand it, take it and
>> build upon it for their own needs. We have adopted the process as
>> Kizito suggested of taking the existing functionality and mapping it
>> exactly in the new code. I realise what we are doing won't be to the
>> satisfaction of everyone but they are also free to take the code and
>> adapt it as well.
>>
>> Truth is I hadn't planned to say anything about our plans at this time
>> until we had some new code to demonstrate, but when Kizito posted his
>> mail I wanted to respond in some fashion.
>>
>> Your email has been circulated to all my colleagues so that we can
>> take your comments into account, and further ideas from a clinician
>> such as yourself are most welcome.
>>
>> Tim
>> On Sun, 19 Aug 2018 at 09:44, Alejandro de Garate via
>> Care2002-developers  wrote:
>> >
>> > Sure,
>> > Hi Tim
>> >
>> > It is difficult to test an online program when it asks you for the user and
>> > password at each step.
>> >
>> > It is logical that there are different users and passwords for modules used
>> > by different people. But there are cases where the user is the same and the
>> > system should accept it; And not to mention if one enters with the category
>> > of administrator.
>> > This is a basic requirement to be able to test the program and make an 
>> > honest
>> > return of what one thinks of it. For my es very important !
>> >
>> >
>> > "same old basic problems"
>> > -
>> > The main problem is the admision of the pacient.
>> >
>> > I am been working most of the time at emergency unit. Is quite common that
>> > unconscious patient can't give you any data, at less he carry an 
>> > identification
>> > document (also not too common).
>> >
>> > So to use care2x in the entrance to emergency, it is necessary to make 
>> > important
>> > changes.
>> >
>> > And then when you can provide the correct identification data, all the
>> > procedures done must be able to be added to the clinical history, if the 
>> > patient
>> > has previous hospital admissions; Or convert current admission data into a
>> > new clinical history record.
>> >
>> > Other data such as blood type are obsolete, do not conform to current 
>> > procedures
>> > and should be discarded.
>> >
>> > As I have previously told you, I work in a public charity hospital, in the
>> > emergency laboratory.
>> >
>> > With the current configuration online I can't add a patient and request
>> > laboratory analysis.
>> >
>> > I think a system like Care2x should be as solid rock, and work like a charm
>> > from the beginning, not as current do.
>> >
>> > In recent years, with changes in computer systems and decentralization of
>> &

Re: [Care2002-developers] Current state of c2x

[Tim Schofield]

Hi David, what source are we talking about?

Tim
On Wed, 22 Aug 2018 at 16:36, david souto de ouza
 wrote:
>
> Tim... we need to know what environment is necessary to run the source ... 
> thinks like version mysql php system so etc...
>
> Em 22 de ago de 2018 10:19, "Tim Schofield"  
> escreveu:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Well the functionality of the demo at https://care2x.kwamoja.org is
>> probably more than 6 years old, though a lot of development work went
>> in to making it PHP7.x compatible.
>> As I said before (though I always tend to do these things forgetting
>> that most people reading it are not native English speakers) what I am
>> trying to do is to re-create care2x with code that I believe is easier
>> for people who are not professional coders to understand, and
>> therefore contribute to. My initial aim is to have exactly the same
>> functionality that care2x currently has, while adding in stuff like my
>> billing engine, procurement system, and stock control systems that
>> already exist.
>> To do this we required a reference system showing the functionality I
>> wished to incorporate that I could share with my colleagues, and so
>> was available over the web. As the "official" demo on the web site
>> does not work, and I was told there was no plan to make it work, I set
>> up the demo on kwamoja.org. I publicised it just in case it was of use
>> to others. I am sure there are bugs in it, there were hundreds of
>> changes needed doing to make it 7.x compatible and it would be a major
>> shock if I hadn't missed a few, or I did a few wrong.
>> There are numerous versions of care2x in use around the world, and I
>> had to pick one, and that is the one I picked.
>> I understand that what I am doing may seem to be dictatorial, and some
>> may say there should be more discussions about how I am doing it, In
>> my defence this project has had more than it's fair share of
>> discussions, and I have repeatedly tried to get things moving on this
>> mailing list and have failed to generate interest so in the end I took
>> the decision to go my own way. Once we get to a certain point it will
>> become imperative that other developers are attracted to it, but I
>> don't want to get bogged down at this moment with hypothetical
>> discussions about peoples favourite frameworks, toolkits, etc which
>> experience tells me will happen if we release too early. Hopefully
>> what we come up with is going to be of use to some people, and will
>> form the basis for future work. If nobody likes it, well at least I
>> tried...
>>
>> Tim
>> On Tue, 21 Aug 2018 at 21:34, Alejandro de Garate via
>> Care2002-developers  wrote:
>> >
>> > The current Care2x demo doesn't work for me.
>> > The patient admited after sreraching are different from the lab modules, 
>> > and
>> > the admitted patient can not be asked for analysis.
>> >
>> > The look & feel of demo and the github code seems to be at least 6 years 
>> > old.
>> > Are you sure, that is the code you use everyday ?
>> >
>> > >We have adopted the process as Kizito suggested of taking the existing
>> > >functionality and mapping it exactly in the new code.
>> >
>> > Sorry, I can't follow you, can you explain that ?
>> >
>> > >I am an accountant, and not a clinician, so I have always tried not to
>> > >interfere with the workflow in care2x, unless otherwise instructed by
>> > >clinicians.
>> >
>> > If nobody can makes modifications, nothing will change...
>> >
>> > And ... if one finds a way to improve something and can not be returned,
>> > shown to the community, by privacy policies, or other issues then:
>> > it is a waste of time.
>> >
>> > If care2x fallen into disuse is because things was done in the wrong way in
>> > the past, and as Einstein saids: "if you want different results do not 
>> > always
>> > do the same".
>> >
>> > That is, to make it work, change, improve, you have to do things 
>> > differently:
>> >
>> > - Recognize that the problem exists
>> > - Definition of the problem
>> > - Search and generation of alternative solutions
>> > - Selection of the best solution
>> > - Put into practice
>> > - Evaluation of the results
>> >
>> > >from a clinician such as yourself are most welcome.
>> > No, sorry the confusion. I am a biochemist.
>> >
>> > As I could see 

Re: [Care2002-developers] Current state of c2x

[Tim Schofield]

Hi,

Well the functionality of the demo at https://care2x.kwamoja.org is
probably more than 6 years old, though a lot of development work went
in to making it PHP7.x compatible.
As I said before (though I always tend to do these things forgetting
that most people reading it are not native English speakers) what I am
trying to do is to re-create care2x with code that I believe is easier
for people who are not professional coders to understand, and
therefore contribute to. My initial aim is to have exactly the same
functionality that care2x currently has, while adding in stuff like my
billing engine, procurement system, and stock control systems that
already exist.
To do this we required a reference system showing the functionality I
wished to incorporate that I could share with my colleagues, and so
was available over the web. As the "official" demo on the web site
does not work, and I was told there was no plan to make it work, I set
up the demo on kwamoja.org. I publicised it just in case it was of use
to others. I am sure there are bugs in it, there were hundreds of
changes needed doing to make it 7.x compatible and it would be a major
shock if I hadn't missed a few, or I did a few wrong.
There are numerous versions of care2x in use around the world, and I
had to pick one, and that is the one I picked.
I understand that what I am doing may seem to be dictatorial, and some
may say there should be more discussions about how I am doing it, In
my defence this project has had more than it's fair share of
discussions, and I have repeatedly tried to get things moving on this
mailing list and have failed to generate interest so in the end I took
the decision to go my own way. Once we get to a certain point it will
become imperative that other developers are attracted to it, but I
don't want to get bogged down at this moment with hypothetical
discussions about peoples favourite frameworks, toolkits, etc which
experience tells me will happen if we release too early. Hopefully
what we come up with is going to be of use to some people, and will
form the basis for future work. If nobody likes it, well at least I
tried...

Tim
On Tue, 21 Aug 2018 at 21:34, Alejandro de Garate via
Care2002-developers  wrote:
>
> The current Care2x demo doesn't work for me.
> The patient admited after sreraching are different from the lab modules, and
> the admitted patient can not be asked for analysis.
>
> The look & feel of demo and the github code seems to be at least 6 years old.
> Are you sure, that is the code you use everyday ?
>
> >We have adopted the process as Kizito suggested of taking the existing
> >functionality and mapping it exactly in the new code.
>
> Sorry, I can't follow you, can you explain that ?
>
> >I am an accountant, and not a clinician, so I have always tried not to
> >interfere with the workflow in care2x, unless otherwise instructed by
> >clinicians.
>
> If nobody can makes modifications, nothing will change...
>
> And ... if one finds a way to improve something and can not be returned,
> shown to the community, by privacy policies, or other issues then:
> it is a waste of time.
>
> If care2x fallen into disuse is because things was done in the wrong way in
> the past, and as Einstein saids: "if you want different results do not always
> do the same".
>
> That is, to make it work, change, improve, you have to do things differently:
>
> - Recognize that the problem exists
> - Definition of the problem
> - Search and generation of alternative solutions
> - Selection of the best solution
> - Put into practice
> - Evaluation of the results
>
> >from a clinician such as yourself are most welcome.
> No, sorry the confusion. I am a biochemist.
>
> As I could see at source code from github, it seems basically the same as many
> years ago. The db installation was moved from 
> care_db_structure_d21_manual_my.sql
> to another big sql file without any module separation.
>
> The installation documents are outdated and do not match with current way.
>
> I still do not have the things in clear as to contribute with something.
>
> Hope you can understand what I want to mean, my english is not good.
>
> ---
> Alejandro
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Re: [Care2002-developers] Roadmap

[Tim Schofield]

Yes the web site is very out of date. I am happy to start hosting it
if someone with more talent for these things wants to update the site.

Tim
On Sun, 19 Aug 2018 at 10:10, Alejandro de Garate via
Care2002-developers  wrote:
>
>
> I would like to know what your work plan is, your objectives, if you have a
> roadmap to achieve it.
> It would be good if you can share it and see if we can collaborate in any
> concrete way.
>
> Some time ago, the smarty templates could be replaced, the modules changed,
> and other technicals problems I can't recall now.
> I (we suppose) we need to know where we are standing, where we are going and
> how we are going to achieve the objectives that are proposed.
>
> I do not know if it's my impression but I see outdated information
> Till now you are the only who can answer that questions.
>
> A wiki page is a good form to share the info.
> regards
> ---
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Re: [Care2002-developers] "same old basic problems"

[Tim Schofield]

Hi Alejandro,

Thank you very much for your email, and very helpful comments. I am an
accountant, and not a clinician, so I have always tried not to
interfere with the workflow in care2x, unless otherwise instructed by
clinicians.

If you select "login" from the menu on the left, and login from there
it shouldn't keep asking for repeated logins. It will time out after
an interval but off the top if my head I can't remember what that
interval is.

I am aware that there are bugs in the demo I put online, the code
didn't run at all on PHP7.x so I have done my best to get something
running, and I fixed most of the bugs, but I know it is not 100%.

As a humble bean counter I have always found the care2x code complex
and impenetrable. Our first aim was to simplify the code, so that
people who aren't professional coders can understand it, take it and
build upon it for their own needs. We have adopted the process as
Kizito suggested of taking the existing functionality and mapping it
exactly in the new code. I realise what we are doing won't be to the
satisfaction of everyone but they are also free to take the code and
adapt it as well.

Truth is I hadn't planned to say anything about our plans at this time
until we had some new code to demonstrate, but when Kizito posted his
mail I wanted to respond in some fashion.

Your email has been circulated to all my colleagues so that we can
take your comments into account, and further ideas from a clinician
such as yourself are most welcome.

Tim
On Sun, 19 Aug 2018 at 09:44, Alejandro de Garate via
Care2002-developers  wrote:
>
> Sure,
> Hi Tim
>
> It is difficult to test an online program when it asks you for the user and
> password at each step.
>
> It is logical that there are different users and passwords for modules used
> by different people. But there are cases where the user is the same and the
> system should accept it; And not to mention if one enters with the category
> of administrator.
> This is a basic requirement to be able to test the program and make an honest
> return of what one thinks of it. For my es very important !
>
>
> "same old basic problems"
> -
> The main problem is the admision of the pacient.
>
> I am been working most of the time at emergency unit. Is quite common that
> unconscious patient can't give you any data, at less he carry an 
> identification
> document (also not too common).
>
> So to use care2x in the entrance to emergency, it is necessary to make 
> important
> changes.
>
> And then when you can provide the correct identification data, all the
> procedures done must be able to be added to the clinical history, if the 
> patient
> has previous hospital admissions; Or convert current admission data into a
> new clinical history record.
>
> Other data such as blood type are obsolete, do not conform to current 
> procedures
> and should be discarded.
>
> As I have previously told you, I work in a public charity hospital, in the
> emergency laboratory.
>
> With the current configuration online I can't add a patient and request
> laboratory analysis.
>
> I think a system like Care2x should be as solid rock, and work like a charm
> from the beginning, not as current do.
>
> In recent years, with changes in computer systems and decentralization of
> different sectors, ie: laboratory, radiology, etc (giving more independence
> about its internal computer systems) but always vinculated with HIS, we start
> to use an internal laboratory order number and not the admission number.
>
> This was because the patient had blood drawn for analysis, the results were 
> sent
> to the LIS, observed by the clinician, without administratively having
> completed the admission number.
>
> I do not say that this is good, only that it is a way to deal with the high
> demand of patients that we receive in the Emergencies sector and in the
> laboratory we keep the correct and updated information that can then be
> completed or linked with other data.
>
> We receive a high percentage of undocumented people, people with a national
> identity document but no social security, and foreigners with foreign
> documentation, and we must treat them properly.
>
> In our current scheme at the emergency sector, demographic data, as address,
> phone, postal code, family, etc. get filled later.
>
> I can give you more info about that, but now you have an idea of what I am
> talking about.
>
> regards
> ---
> Alejandro
>
>
>
> > Hi Alejandro, you mention "same old
> > basic problems" can you expand on
> > that for me?
> >
> > Tim
> > On Tue, 14 Aug 2018 at 21:17, Alejandrode Garate via
> >Care2002-developers 
> > wrote:
>  >
>  > Hi Tim
>  > It's been a couple of years since
>  I last used this project.
>  > I am seeing the same old basic
>  problems for which care2x is not used in South America.
>  > I have been working in public
>  hospitals for more than 30 years, so (at least
>  > for this part of the world) I know
>  what I'm talking about.

Re: [Care2002-developers] Roadmap ?

[Tim Schofield]

Hi Alejandro, you mention "same old basic problems" can you expand on
that for me?

Tim
On Tue, 14 Aug 2018 at 21:17, Alejandro de Garate via
Care2002-developers  wrote:
>
> Hi Tim
> It's been a couple of years since I last used this project.
> I am seeing the same old basic problems for which care2x is not used in South 
> America.
> I have been working in public hospitals for more than 30 years, so (at least
> for this part of the world) I know what I'm talking about.
>
> Have you a roadmap about future changes or what you think should be changed
> in the immediate future ?
>
> At what stage is the modularization ?
> ---
> Alejandro
>
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Re: [Care2002-developers] Demo Site

[Tim Schofield]

If you have the code somewhere that I can easily access, perhaps on
github? then I don't mind hosting it.

Tim
On Tue, 14 Aug 2018 at 19:06, david souto de ouza
 wrote:
>
> is it possible use your server to host a version of care2x espefic for 
> brazilian customization market? A think that a better way for systems like 
> tath is to mount a core to be customized. freely,  them we cam get the better 
> of each version linguage cutomized or develper version and put in the the 
> core default,  that will be the parameter for free GLP. What do you think 
> about?
>
> David
>
> Em ter, 14 de ago de 2018 às 10:17, Tim Schofield 
>  escreveu:
>>
>> Hi David, what facilities do you need? The work we are doing uses gettext so 
>> translations should be easier. I am away from home till tomorrow night 
>> European time so can help you better then.
>> Tim
>>
>> On Mon, 13 Aug 2018 13:55 david souto de ouza,  
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> HI Tim,
>>> My ame is David from Brasil
>>> It is very good you help to get back care2x, is it possible use your site 
>>> server to develope care2x in potuguese?, I am working in it. It have any 
>>> cost? please let my know.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> David S Souza
>>>
>>>
>>> Em qui, 2 de ago de 2018 às 04:27, Tim Schofield 
>>>  escreveu:
>>>>
>>>> I had need of a care2x demo site today, but couldn't find one so I set
>>>> one up here:
>>>>
>>>> https://care2x.kwamoja.org/
>>>>
>>>> if anybody else needs it the user/password is admin/kwamoja.
>>>>
>>>> It is running this code https://github.com/care2x/care2x on PHP
>>>> v7.0.30 it (mostly) runs ok though it does still have some bugs.
>>>>
>>>> Tim
>>>>
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Re: [Care2002-developers] Demo site

[Tim Schofield]

Hi David. It should do though I provide no guarantees but any bugs found
will help in the work.
Tim

On Mon, 13 Aug 2018 15:27 david souto de ouza, 
wrote:

> Please I am using PHP 7.1.3,  will it  run?
>
> David S. Souza
>
>
> Em sex, 10 de ago de 2018 às 18:13, Alejandro de Garate via
> Care2002-developers  escreveu:
>
>> Hi Tim
>> I get an advertizing: insecure conexion for https://care2x.kwamoja.org
>> Could you check it.
>> regards
>> 
>> Alejandro
>>
>>
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Re: [Care2002-developers] Demo Site

[Tim Schofield]

Hi David, what facilities do you need? The work we are doing uses gettext
so translations should be easier. I am away from home till tomorrow night
European time so can help you better then.
Tim

On Mon, 13 Aug 2018 13:55 david souto de ouza, 
wrote:

> HI Tim,
> My ame is David from Brasil
> It is very good you help to get back care2x, is it possible use your site
> server to develope care2x in potuguese?, I am working in it. It have any
> cost? please let my know.
>
>
> Thanks
>
> David S Souza
>
>
> Em qui, 2 de ago de 2018 às 04:27, Tim Schofield <
> tim.schofield1...@gmail.com> escreveu:
>
>> I had need of a care2x demo site today, but couldn't find one so I set
>> one up here:
>>
>> https://care2x.kwamoja.org/
>>
>> if anybody else needs it the user/password is admin/kwamoja.
>>
>> It is running this code https://github.com/care2x/care2x on PHP
>> v7.0.30 it (mostly) runs ok though it does still have some bugs.
>>
>> Tim
>>
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Re: [Care2002-developers] Demo site

[Tim Schofield]

Sorry Alejandro, my fault I configured the certificate wrongly. Should
be ok now.

Thanks
Tim
On Fri, 10 Aug 2018 at 22:13, Alejandro de Garate via
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>
> Hi Tim
> I get an advertizing: insecure conexion for https://care2x.kwamoja.org
> Could you check it.
> regards
> 
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Re: [Care2002-developers] Demo Site

[Tim Schofield]

Hi, I think I maybe didn't properly explain myself properly earlier.
There has been no vote, discussions dried up years ago so I have
unilaterally taken it upon myself with the help of some colleagues to
take the existing database and redo the code as Kizito says replacing
the functionality of the existing care2x, improving it where we deem
necessary. This won't be to everybodies taste, but what the heck, the
project was dying anyway, and if people don't like what I have decided
on then they are free to take the code and do what they like with it -
the beauty of Free/Open source software!

Once we are a bit further down the line with this, we will release
some code, with some proper documentation on the methodology I have
decided on, and that is when volunteers are welcome to help us.

Cheers,
Tim


On 3 August 2018 at 18:44, Mayala Mwendesha  wrote:
> I will find some time to help just wanted to know which framework have been
> voted.
>
> Thanks
> Mayala
>
> On Aug 3, 2018 1:50 PM, "Tim Schofield"  wrote:
>
> Hey Kizito, habari yako?
>
> This has been discussed on and off for more than a decade. The problem
> is that there never was a consensus on how to do it. The reason I was
> looking for a demo is that we were have started on such a project
> ourselves. I want to get some way down the road before releasing the
> code so that people can properly understand the concept of what we are
> trying to do, otherwise we will just end up back with discussions on
> the concept rather than the code itself.
>
> Are you, or others prepared to help when we get to that point?
> Tim
>
> On 3 August 2018 at 09:54, Bwana Kizito  wrote:
>> Hi Tim,
>>
>> Now that we have so many PHP frameworks that are fast and well understood
>> a'la Laravel. Shouldn't we setup a lead-group that can volunteer and be
>> voluntold to come up with a new framework-based version that has 1x1
>> features as the existing one?
>>
>> It's far-fetched but not a far cry from being a solution IMO.
>>
>> Wakatabahu!
>>
>> Bw. Kizito S.M.
>> Skype: kizoman
>> Mob: +255 75 543 7887
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 10:27 AM Tim Schofield
>> 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I had need of a care2x demo site today, but couldn't find one so I set
>>> one up here:
>>>
>>> https://care2x.kwamoja.org/
>>>
>>> if anybody else needs it the user/password is admin/kwamoja.
>>>
>>> It is running this code https://github.com/care2x/care2x on PHP
>>> v7.0.30 it (mostly) runs ok though it does still have some bugs.
>>>
>>> Tim
>>>
>>>
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Re: [Care2002-developers] Demo Site

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Hey Kizito, habari yako?

This has been discussed on and off for more than a decade. The problem
is that there never was a consensus on how to do it. The reason I was
looking for a demo is that we were have started on such a project
ourselves. I want to get some way down the road before releasing the
code so that people can properly understand the concept of what we are
trying to do, otherwise we will just end up back with discussions on
the concept rather than the code itself.

Are you, or others prepared to help when we get to that point?
Tim

On 3 August 2018 at 09:54, Bwana Kizito  wrote:
> Hi Tim,
>
> Now that we have so many PHP frameworks that are fast and well understood
> a'la Laravel. Shouldn't we setup a lead-group that can volunteer and be
> voluntold to come up with a new framework-based version that has 1x1
> features as the existing one?
>
> It's far-fetched but not a far cry from being a solution IMO.
>
> Wakatabahu!
>
> Bw. Kizito S.M.
> Skype: kizoman
> Mob: +255 75 543 7887
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 10:27 AM Tim Schofield 
> wrote:
>>
>> I had need of a care2x demo site today, but couldn't find one so I set
>> one up here:
>>
>> https://care2x.kwamoja.org/
>>
>> if anybody else needs it the user/password is admin/kwamoja.
>>
>> It is running this code https://github.com/care2x/care2x on PHP
>> v7.0.30 it (mostly) runs ok though it does still have some bugs.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>
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[Care2002-developers] Demo Site

[Tim Schofield]

I had need of a care2x demo site today, but couldn't find one so I set
one up here:

https://care2x.kwamoja.org/

if anybody else needs it the user/password is admin/kwamoja.

It is running this code https://github.com/care2x/care2x on PHP
v7.0.30 it (mostly) runs ok though it does still have some bugs.

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[Care2002-developers] Progress with care2x

[Tim Schofield]

A link to a blog post many of you will already have seen, but for those
that haven't
http://weberpafrica.blogspot.co.uk/2016/07/a-call-for-developers-translators.html?m=1

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Re: [Care2002-developers] South Australia badly needs Care2X to bail Govt Hospitals

[Tim Schofield]

I don't have the contacts in South Australia but I do agree that there is a
worldwide market for care2x which is why am working so hard on the code.

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On 21 Jun 2016 13:27, "Ap.Muthu"  wrote:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-06-18/software-legal-battle-could-put-sa-patients%27-safety/7522934
The system called, CHIRON, is used at 64 country health sites in South
Australia, including at the Mount Barker Hospital.

In technology terms, the program is ancient and based on the MS-DOS
platform. It was installed in SA hospitals in the early 90s.

In the Federal Court CHIRON's maker Working Systems demanded the State
Government stop using it because the licence expired in March last year.

The CHIRON matter is listed for trial in December.

Case for implementing Care2X in whatever form it is now.

Anyone game? Need political clout in SA.




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Re: [Care2002-developers] Demo of latest code

[Tim Schofield]

Thanks for the suggestions! I have created a very basic Readme file
but I am more than happy if somebody wants to expand on it.

Github provide the facility to turn the home page into a proper web
site. It is on my list to look at this, but if someone more creative
than me wants to have a go then please feel welcome :)

Thanks
Tim

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> Seen!
>
> Wakatabahu!
>
> Bw. Kizito S.M.
> Fieldwork Coordinator
> Hebet Technologies Ltd
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> GTalk: kizomanizo
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> Mob: +255 75 543 7887
>
> On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 1:17 PM, Tim Schofield <tim.schofield1...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> I have created a demo of the latest code from github here [1]. The
>> username/password is admin/kwamoja
>>
>> This uses a blank database so that people can check out and test the
>> config as well.
>>
>> This will be constantly updated from github so may be broken at any
>> time, but comments/bug reports are welcomed.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Tim
>>
>> [1] https://care2x.kwamoja.org/
>>
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[Care2002-developers] Demo of latest code

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I have created a demo of the latest code from github here [1]. The
username/password is admin/kwamoja

This uses a blank database so that people can check out and test the
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Re: [Care2002-developers] The github site

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Obviously as I have changed the name of the principal repository any
developers who cloned it need to change the url in their .git/config
file to be g...@github.com:care2x/care2x.git

Tim

On 11 June 2016 at 10:02, Tim Schofield <tim.schofield1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I assume nobody had any strong feelings about this so I have actioned
> the plan set out below.
>
> Thanks
> Tim
>
> On 26 May 2016 at 09:54, Tim Schofield <tim.schofield1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> As we move towards a new release I would like to clean up the github
>> site https://github.com/care2x,
>>
>> There are currently 4 repositories containing versions of care2x code,
>> but the only one being worked on is the one called "2.7". Therefore I
>> would like to archive off the others, and rename this branch "care2x".
>> This would it make it much clearer what is happening.
>>
>> Then once we are ready I will create a "develop" branch off this
>> repository, and release a beta version off the "master" branch. New
>> development can carry on in the "develop" branch, and any bug fixes
>> found during beta phase can be applied to the Master branch and merged
>> up to the develop branch.
>>
>> As I said, this is what I would like to do. I will leave it a few days
>> to see if anyone has any objections, otherwise I will start down this
>> path.
>>
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Re: [Care2002-developers] The github site

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I assume nobody had any strong feelings about this so I have actioned
the plan set out below.

Thanks
Tim

On 26 May 2016 at 09:54, Tim Schofield <tim.schofield1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> As we move towards a new release I would like to clean up the github
> site https://github.com/care2x,
>
> There are currently 4 repositories containing versions of care2x code,
> but the only one being worked on is the one called "2.7". Therefore I
> would like to archive off the others, and rename this branch "care2x".
> This would it make it much clearer what is happening.
>
> Then once we are ready I will create a "develop" branch off this
> repository, and release a beta version off the "master" branch. New
> development can carry on in the "develop" branch, and any bug fixes
> found during beta phase can be applied to the Master branch and merged
> up to the develop branch.
>
> As I said, this is what I would like to do. I will leave it a few days
> to see if anyone has any objections, otherwise I will start down this
> path.
>
> Thanks
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[Care2002-developers] The github site

[Tim Schofield]

As we move towards a new release I would like to clean up the github
site https://github.com/care2x,

There are currently 4 repositories containing versions of care2x code,
but the only one being worked on is the one called "2.7". Therefore I
would like to archive off the others, and rename this branch "care2x".
This would it make it much clearer what is happening.

Then once we are ready I will create a "develop" branch off this
repository, and release a beta version off the "master" branch. New
development can carry on in the "develop" branch, and any bug fixes
found during beta phase can be applied to the Master branch and merged
up to the develop branch.

As I said, this is what I would like to do. I will leave it a few days
to see if anyone has any objections, otherwise I will start down this
path.

Thanks
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[Care2002-developers] Features

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The work on making the code Php7 compatible is going well and uncovering a
number of hidden bugs along the way. This makes me think that once it's
complete we should release a new version as it's many years since the last
one.

There is a very obvious question to be faced. There is functionality around
in other branches that we may or may not want to include. Personally I
wouldn't want billing or stock control as I think they belong in the ERP.

Does anyone else have any thoughts?

Thanks
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Re: [Care2002-developers] care2x and PHP 7

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Hi Maros, I use this one for my testing

https://www.kwamoja.org/downloads/care2x.tar.gz

Tim

On 28 April 2016 at 14:25,  <rafroq...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> with 2.7 somewhere I can grab it? Thanks!
>
> Maros
>
> On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 3:12 AM, Tim Schofield <tim.schofield1...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Ah sorry. The branch we are using is the 2.7 branch
>> https://github.com/care2x/2.7
>>
>> This branch is one that I know is in use in many hospitals which is
>> important for hospitals to upgrade, and it is the only one being
>> actively developed.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Tim
>>
>> On 28 April 2016 at 08:53, David Sarmiento Q. <dorphal...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > The codebase we're using.  If we use TZ version,  that's the base
>> > branch,
>> > everyone should clone that branch work on it and then request you (or
>> > somebody responsible)  reviews and merges the changes into the original
>> > code.
>> >
>> > I'd suggest that we also send a Screenshot of the problem fixed,  so we
>> > know
>> > we have tested code and not just another bug to close.
>> >
>> > On Apr 28, 2016 9:48 AM, "Tim Schofield" <tim.schofield1...@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hi David sorry if I am being a bit thick what do you mean by baseline?
>> >>
>> >> Tim
>> >>
>> >> Course View Towers,
>> >> Plot 21 Yusuf Lule Road,
>> >> Kampala
>> >> T +256 (0) 312 314 418
>> >> M +256 (0) 752 963 325
>> >> www.weberpafrica.com
>> >> Twitter: @TimSchofield2
>> >> Blog: http://weberpafrica.blogspot.co.uk
>> >>
>> >> On 27 Apr 2016 13:02, "David Sarmiento Q." <dorphal...@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Which baseline are we using?
>> >>>
>> >>> On Apr 27, 2016 10:48, "Tim Schofield" <tim.schofield1...@gmail.com>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I think that there were a few issues that arise from the ELCT project
>> >>>> that we can learn from moving forward.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Firstly they used a non standard version of care2x which meant that
>> >>>> any bug fixes etc applied to the main version weren't always included
>> >>>> in their version. I think it is very important to try and unite
>> >>>> around
>> >>>> the one code base. The fragmentation that occurred before helps
>> >>>> nobody
>> >>>> in the long run.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Secondly there was an unwillingness from the ELCT to share the
>> >>>> consultancy fees they were earning from the hospitals with the
>> >>>> developers whom they wanted to maintain the project. I don't think
>> >>>> anybody "ran away", it was a case of those who were doing the work
>> >>>> should be the ones paid for it.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Tim
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On 27 April 2016 at 06:26, Mathayo Josephat <jmath...@gmail.com>
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>> > ELCT in Tanzania used care2x and managed to implement some of the
>> >>>> > hospitals,
>> >>>> > although sustainability was a challenge because of the developers
>> >>>> > running
>> >>>> > away from the project.
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > Challenge of integration care2x and accounting system, let us try
>> >>>> > to
>> >>>> > fix the
>> >>>> > existing bugs then consultancy work will be there. Hopefully even
>> >>>> > other
>> >>>> > Country like Malawi, Namibia etc used it
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 10:10 AM, Tim Schofield
>> >>>> > <tim.schofield1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> Hi David,
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> I wasn't pretending that doing it in a weekend was enough, but it
>> >>>> >> showed that we can get it working. The way to get funding is to
>> >>>> &

Re: [Care2002-developers] care2x and PHP 7

[Tim Schofield]

Ah sorry. The branch we are using is the 2.7 branch
https://github.com/care2x/2.7

This branch is one that I know is in use in many hospitals which is
important for hospitals to upgrade, and it is the only one being
actively developed.

Thanks
Tim

On 28 April 2016 at 08:53, David Sarmiento Q. <dorphal...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The codebase we're using.  If we use TZ version,  that's the base branch,
> everyone should clone that branch work on it and then request you (or
> somebody responsible)  reviews and merges the changes into the original
> code.
>
> I'd suggest that we also send a Screenshot of the problem fixed,  so we know
> we have tested code and not just another bug to close.
>
> On Apr 28, 2016 9:48 AM, "Tim Schofield" <tim.schofield1...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi David sorry if I am being a bit thick what do you mean by baseline?
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> Course View Towers,
>> Plot 21 Yusuf Lule Road,
>> Kampala
>> T +256 (0) 312 314 418
>> M +256 (0) 752 963 325
>> www.weberpafrica.com
>> Twitter: @TimSchofield2
>> Blog: http://weberpafrica.blogspot.co.uk
>>
>> On 27 Apr 2016 13:02, "David Sarmiento Q." <dorphal...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Which baseline are we using?
>>>
>>> On Apr 27, 2016 10:48, "Tim Schofield" <tim.schofield1...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I think that there were a few issues that arise from the ELCT project
>>>> that we can learn from moving forward.
>>>>
>>>> Firstly they used a non standard version of care2x which meant that
>>>> any bug fixes etc applied to the main version weren't always included
>>>> in their version. I think it is very important to try and unite around
>>>> the one code base. The fragmentation that occurred before helps nobody
>>>> in the long run.
>>>>
>>>> Secondly there was an unwillingness from the ELCT to share the
>>>> consultancy fees they were earning from the hospitals with the
>>>> developers whom they wanted to maintain the project. I don't think
>>>> anybody "ran away", it was a case of those who were doing the work
>>>> should be the ones paid for it.
>>>>
>>>> Tim
>>>>
>>>> On 27 April 2016 at 06:26, Mathayo Josephat <jmath...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > ELCT in Tanzania used care2x and managed to implement some of the
>>>> > hospitals,
>>>> > although sustainability was a challenge because of the developers
>>>> > running
>>>> > away from the project.
>>>> >
>>>> > Challenge of integration care2x and accounting system, let us try to
>>>> > fix the
>>>> > existing bugs then consultancy work will be there. Hopefully even
>>>> > other
>>>> > Country like Malawi, Namibia etc used it
>>>> >
>>>> > On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 10:10 AM, Tim Schofield
>>>> > <tim.schofield1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Hi David,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I wasn't pretending that doing it in a weekend was enough, but it
>>>> >> showed that we can get it working. The way to get funding is to have
>>>> >> an active vibrant project, my attempts to get funding for care2x have
>>>> >> all fallen at the "care2x is dead why fund it" stage.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> It would be great to have your help on what we are doing.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Tim
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On 25 April 2016 at 07:06, David Sarmiento Q. <dorphal...@gmail.com>
>>>> >> wrote:
>>>> >> > Hey,
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > I'm more inclined to make it work by 'doing it right ', it may take
>>>> >> > more
>>>> >> > time than a weekend but I believe the only way to bring this up to
>>>> >> > date
>>>> >> > and
>>>> >> > have it become maintainable again. There have been some discussions
>>>> >> > in
>>>> >> > the
>>>> >> > past about the how but they kinda dissolved on their own. Right now
>>>> >> > I
>>>> >> > don't
>>>> >> > have that much time but I'm willing to commit a some hours a week
>>>> >> >

Re: [Care2002-developers] care2x and PHP 7

[Tim Schofield]

Hi David sorry if I am being a bit thick what do you mean by baseline?

Tim

Course View Towers,
Plot 21 Yusuf Lule Road,
Kampala
T +256 (0) 312 314 418
M +256 (0) 752 963 325
www.weberpafrica.com
Twitter: @TimSchofield2
Blog: http://weberpafrica.blogspot.co.uk
On 27 Apr 2016 13:02, "David Sarmiento Q." <dorphal...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Which baseline are we using?
> On Apr 27, 2016 10:48, "Tim Schofield" <tim.schofield1...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I think that there were a few issues that arise from the ELCT project
>> that we can learn from moving forward.
>>
>> Firstly they used a non standard version of care2x which meant that
>> any bug fixes etc applied to the main version weren't always included
>> in their version. I think it is very important to try and unite around
>> the one code base. The fragmentation that occurred before helps nobody
>> in the long run.
>>
>> Secondly there was an unwillingness from the ELCT to share the
>> consultancy fees they were earning from the hospitals with the
>> developers whom they wanted to maintain the project. I don't think
>> anybody "ran away", it was a case of those who were doing the work
>> should be the ones paid for it.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> On 27 April 2016 at 06:26, Mathayo Josephat <jmath...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > ELCT in Tanzania used care2x and managed to implement some of the
>> hospitals,
>> > although sustainability was a challenge because of the developers
>> running
>> > away from the project.
>> >
>> > Challenge of integration care2x and accounting system, let us try to
>> fix the
>> > existing bugs then consultancy work will be there. Hopefully even other
>> > Country like Malawi, Namibia etc used it
>> >
>> > On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 10:10 AM, Tim Schofield
>> > <tim.schofield1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hi David,
>> >>
>> >> I wasn't pretending that doing it in a weekend was enough, but it
>> >> showed that we can get it working. The way to get funding is to have
>> >> an active vibrant project, my attempts to get funding for care2x have
>> >> all fallen at the "care2x is dead why fund it" stage.
>> >>
>> >> It would be great to have your help on what we are doing.
>> >>
>> >> Tim
>> >>
>> >> On 25 April 2016 at 07:06, David Sarmiento Q. <dorphal...@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > Hey,
>> >> >
>> >> > I'm more inclined to make it work by 'doing it right ', it may take
>> more
>> >> > time than a weekend but I believe the only way to bring this up to
>> date
>> >> > and
>> >> > have it become maintainable again. There have been some discussions
>> in
>> >> > the
>> >> > past about the how but they kinda dissolved on their own. Right now I
>> >> > don't
>> >> > have that much time but I'm willing to commit a some hours a week to
>> >> > this
>> >> > (maybe 4).
>> >> >
>> >> > If we're going to do this, we need to be coordinated, else it will
>> just
>> >> > be a
>> >> > pile of good intentions instead of great software. If funding is an
>> >> > issue
>> >> > (and I think it is), maybe a kickstarter could help us get the funds
>> to
>> >> > be
>> >> > able to commit to this project?
>> >> >
>> >> > David
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On Apr 24, 2016 22:20, "Tim Schofield" <tim.schofield1...@gmail.com>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I have spent the weekend hacking away on this and have got the 2.7
>> >> >> branch (https://github.com/care2x/2.7) sort of working on PHP 7.0.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> There are a ton of warnings and notices that need looking at and I
>> >> >> haven't checked anything like all the functionality so there is
>> bound
>> >> >> to be more broken stuff, but it does work, and if I can do this in a
>> >> >> weekend we can resuscitate care2x.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Tim
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On 22 April 2016 at 08:58, Tim Schofield <
>> tim.schofield1...@gmail.com>
>> >> >> wrote:

Re: [Care2002-developers] care2x and PHP 7

[Tim Schofield]

I think that there were a few issues that arise from the ELCT project
that we can learn from moving forward.

Firstly they used a non standard version of care2x which meant that
any bug fixes etc applied to the main version weren't always included
in their version. I think it is very important to try and unite around
the one code base. The fragmentation that occurred before helps nobody
in the long run.

Secondly there was an unwillingness from the ELCT to share the
consultancy fees they were earning from the hospitals with the
developers whom they wanted to maintain the project. I don't think
anybody "ran away", it was a case of those who were doing the work
should be the ones paid for it.

Tim

On 27 April 2016 at 06:26, Mathayo Josephat <jmath...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ELCT in Tanzania used care2x and managed to implement some of the hospitals,
> although sustainability was a challenge because of the developers running
> away from the project.
>
> Challenge of integration care2x and accounting system, let us try to fix the
> existing bugs then consultancy work will be there. Hopefully even other
> Country like Malawi, Namibia etc used it
>
> On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 10:10 AM, Tim Schofield
> <tim.schofield1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi David,
>>
>> I wasn't pretending that doing it in a weekend was enough, but it
>> showed that we can get it working. The way to get funding is to have
>> an active vibrant project, my attempts to get funding for care2x have
>> all fallen at the "care2x is dead why fund it" stage.
>>
>> It would be great to have your help on what we are doing.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> On 25 April 2016 at 07:06, David Sarmiento Q. <dorphal...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Hey,
>> >
>> > I'm more inclined to make it work by 'doing it right ', it may take more
>> > time than a weekend but I believe the only way to bring this up to date
>> > and
>> > have it become maintainable again. There have been some discussions in
>> > the
>> > past about the how but they kinda dissolved on their own. Right now I
>> > don't
>> > have that much time but I'm willing to commit a some hours a week to
>> > this
>> > (maybe 4).
>> >
>> > If we're going to do this, we need to be coordinated, else it will just
>> > be a
>> > pile of good intentions instead of great software. If funding is an
>> > issue
>> > (and I think it is), maybe a kickstarter could help us get the funds to
>> > be
>> > able to commit to this project?
>> >
>> > David
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Apr 24, 2016 22:20, "Tim Schofield" <tim.schofield1...@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I have spent the weekend hacking away on this and have got the 2.7
>> >> branch (https://github.com/care2x/2.7) sort of working on PHP 7.0.
>> >>
>> >> There are a ton of warnings and notices that need looking at and I
>> >> haven't checked anything like all the functionality so there is bound
>> >> to be more broken stuff, but it does work, and if I can do this in a
>> >> weekend we can resuscitate care2x.
>> >>
>> >> Tim
>> >>
>> >> On 22 April 2016 at 08:58, Tim Schofield <tim.schofield1...@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > I know I have been banging on about this for a long time now and
>> >> > people are probably fed up :).
>> >> >
>> >> > We now have a significant problem as Ubuntu 16.04 LTS includes PHP
>> >> > 7.0
>> >> > by default ( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseNotes#PHP_7.0
>> >> > ) and care2x is completely broken in PHP7. Where Ubuntu goes others
>> >> > will follow.
>> >> >
>> >> > To put this right requires a great deal of work. The question is
>> >> > whether there is the will to do this?
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks
>> >> > Tim
>> >> >
>> >> > On 7 March 2016 at 07:11, Sovello Hildebrand Mgani
>> >> > <sovellohpmg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> Hi!
>> >> >> Very true, I am running PHP 5.5 and set error reporting to ON. I
>> >> >> found
>> >> >> a lot
>> >> >> of issues to fix (at least from the branch that I cloned).
>> >> >> And BTW, I got past the hitch I had come across earlier.
>> >> >> Thanks for your 

Re: [Care2002-developers] care2x and PHP 7

[Tim Schofield]

Thanks David, I have added your note about closing the issue to the wiki page.

Tim

On 27 April 2016 at 06:38, David Sarmiento Q. <dorphal...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I guess I can throw some time at it on Sunday,  at least a couple of hours.
>
> Everybody working on this : please remember to close the issue when it's
> done.
>
> On Apr 26, 2016 3:37 PM, "Tim Schofield" <tim.schofield1...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> I have started listing issues that need looking at [1] marking them up
>> as 'Help Wanted'.
>>
>> I have written a short piece on the wiki [2]
>>
>> Please select an issue you want to work on, assign it to yourself (you
>> may need to ask me to do that for you) and get going :)
>>
>> I will add more issues as we go.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Tim
>>
>> [1] https://github.com/care2x/2.7/issues
>> [2] https://github.com/care2x/2.7/wiki
>>
>> On 25 April 2016 at 10:06, David Sarmiento Q. <dorphal...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Ok.  So Tim, it looks like you already started looking at code, do you
>> > think
>> > you could make a list of where the errors and warnings are, so we can
>> > get a
>> > list of stuff to do and split it among us?
>> >
>> > On Apr 25, 2016 10:59 AM, "Tim Schofield" <tim.schofield1...@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Agree 100%.
>> >>
>> >> "First make it work then make it better"
>> >>
>> >> Tim
>> >>
>> >> On 25 April 2016 at 09:53, Sovello Hildebrand Mgani
>> >> <sovellohpmg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > Sure, it makes sense to make sure what we have works before we lose
>> >> > even
>> >> > the
>> >> > few clients who are our champions once they know we are still active.
>> >> > Then
>> >> > it makes sense to improve the code, because, right now, it's a
>> >> > nightmare
>> >> > to
>> >> > find where something is and you can't really tell what does what and
>> >> > how.
>> >> > __It totally is a mess__ but we should keep it moving while we do the
>> >> > repairs.
>> >> > I started keeping an eye on Care2x since 2012, until now I hadn't
>> >> > gotten
>> >> > something that was working right away. You have to write a couple
>> >> > grep
>> >> > statements when trying to fix things.
>> >> > Maybe Tanzanian folks who are actively deploying Care2x would chime
>> >> > in
>> >> > and
>> >> > give Care2x a boost from whatever they have developed and fixed.
>> >> > Tim and I have been working together recently and I hope we continue,
>> >> > I
>> >> > would also call upon everyone that as long as there's no funding, let
>> >> > everyone of us commit sometime to look at Care2x and do something,
>> >> > then
>> >> > we
>> >> > can move. The rest (new clients, funding, etc) will always come when
>> >> > it's
>> >> > their time to come.
>> >> >
>> >> > Cheers
>> >> >
>> >> > 2016-04-25 11:11 GMT+03:00 Tim Schofield
>> >> > <tim.schofield1...@gmail.com>:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Hi David, I wasn't taking offence, email can be such a difficult
>> >> >> medium for getting a sentiment across :)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Re-writing care2x has been discussed for well over a decade. My
>> >> >> first
>> >> >> contribution to the project was an email on the subject nearly ten
>> >> >> years ago and it was considered a very old topic then. I think if it
>> >> >> was going to happen it would have happened. Meanwhile I hear of
>> >> >> hospitals moving from care2x because they believe the project is
>> >> >> dead.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I know the African market well, and I strongly believe that care2x
>> >> >> could play a big part in it. However the first step has to be to get
>> >> >> the current code working and polished and then we can start looking
>> >> >> at
>> >> >> improving that code to make it more easily maintainable.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Thanks
>> >> >> Tim
>> >> 

Re: [Care2002-developers] care2x and PHP 7

[Tim Schofield]

I have started listing issues that need looking at [1] marking them up
as 'Help Wanted'.

I have written a short piece on the wiki [2]

Please select an issue you want to work on, assign it to yourself (you
may need to ask me to do that for you) and get going :)

I will add more issues as we go.

Thanks
Tim

[1] https://github.com/care2x/2.7/issues
[2] https://github.com/care2x/2.7/wiki

On 25 April 2016 at 10:06, David Sarmiento Q. <dorphal...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ok.  So Tim, it looks like you already started looking at code, do you think
> you could make a list of where the errors and warnings are, so we can get a
> list of stuff to do and split it among us?
>
> On Apr 25, 2016 10:59 AM, "Tim Schofield" <tim.schofield1...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Agree 100%.
>>
>> "First make it work then make it better"
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> On 25 April 2016 at 09:53, Sovello Hildebrand Mgani
>> <sovellohpmg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Sure, it makes sense to make sure what we have works before we lose even
>> > the
>> > few clients who are our champions once they know we are still active.
>> > Then
>> > it makes sense to improve the code, because, right now, it's a nightmare
>> > to
>> > find where something is and you can't really tell what does what and
>> > how.
>> > __It totally is a mess__ but we should keep it moving while we do the
>> > repairs.
>> > I started keeping an eye on Care2x since 2012, until now I hadn't gotten
>> > something that was working right away. You have to write a couple grep
>> > statements when trying to fix things.
>> > Maybe Tanzanian folks who are actively deploying Care2x would chime in
>> > and
>> > give Care2x a boost from whatever they have developed and fixed.
>> > Tim and I have been working together recently and I hope we continue, I
>> > would also call upon everyone that as long as there's no funding, let
>> > everyone of us commit sometime to look at Care2x and do something, then
>> > we
>> > can move. The rest (new clients, funding, etc) will always come when
>> > it's
>> > their time to come.
>> >
>> > Cheers
>> >
>> > 2016-04-25 11:11 GMT+03:00 Tim Schofield <tim.schofield1...@gmail.com>:
>> >>
>> >> Hi David, I wasn't taking offence, email can be such a difficult
>> >> medium for getting a sentiment across :)
>> >>
>> >> Re-writing care2x has been discussed for well over a decade. My first
>> >> contribution to the project was an email on the subject nearly ten
>> >> years ago and it was considered a very old topic then. I think if it
>> >> was going to happen it would have happened. Meanwhile I hear of
>> >> hospitals moving from care2x because they believe the project is dead.
>> >>
>> >> I know the African market well, and I strongly believe that care2x
>> >> could play a big part in it. However the first step has to be to get
>> >> the current code working and polished and then we can start looking at
>> >> improving that code to make it more easily maintainable.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks
>> >> Tim
>> >>
>> >> On 25 April 2016 at 08:38, David Sarmiento Q. <dorphal...@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > Tim, I meant no disrespect , I'm sorry if my message was poorly
>> >> > written,
>> >> > I
>> >> > think that every bit of work that gets into the project is extremely
>> >> > valuable. I just wanted to state my proposal will be labour
>> >> > intensive.
>> >> >
>> >> > I just think that for care 2x to be viable once again we need to
>> >> > design
>> >> > it
>> >> > again, make sure the features are there but with an architecture and
>> >> > coding
>> >> > standards that will allow for to be maintained.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > Find and fix application performance issues faster with Applications
>> >> > Manager
>> >> > Applications Manager provides deep performance insights into multiple
>> >> > tiers
>> >> > of
>> >> > your business applications. It resolves application problems quickly
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>> >> > re

Re: [Care2002-developers] care2x and PHP 7

[Tim Schofield]

Most open source projects survive fine without direct funding of
developers. In fact that kind of direct funding can be a curse as it
discourages any voluntary developers and then when the funding dries
up so does the development.

My experience is that there are plenty of hospitals/health ministries
prepared to pay for consultancy during implementation, and for ongoing
support. It is just a question of marketing it in the areas where it
is best suited.

The problem is that not only have we not marketed it well, we have
actively discouraged people from using it by giving the impression the
project is dead.

If we build it they will come :)

Tim

On 25 April 2016 at 19:59, Elpidio <elpidio.latori...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It is kind of catch 22. No one funds it coz it is "dead" and it can't revive 
> coz no one funds it.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Apr 25, 2016, at 3:10 AM, Tim Schofield <tim.schofield1...@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi David,
>>
>> I wasn't pretending that doing it in a weekend was enough, but it
>> showed that we can get it working. The way to get funding is to have
>> an active vibrant project, my attempts to get funding for care2x have
>> all fallen at the "care2x is dead why fund it" stage.
>>
>> It would be great to have your help on what we are doing.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>> On 25 April 2016 at 07:06, David Sarmiento Q. <dorphal...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hey,
>>>
>>> I'm more inclined to make it work by 'doing it right ', it may take more
>>> time than a weekend but I believe the only way to bring this up to date and
>>> have it become maintainable again. There have been some discussions in the
>>> past about the how but they kinda dissolved on their own. Right now I don't
>>> have that much time but I'm willing to commit a some hours a week to this
>>> (maybe 4).
>>>
>>> If we're going to do this, we need to be coordinated, else it will just be a
>>> pile of good intentions instead of great software. If funding is an issue
>>> (and I think it is), maybe a kickstarter could help us get the funds to  be
>>> able to commit to this project?
>>>
>>> David
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Apr 24, 2016 22:20, "Tim Schofield" <tim.schofield1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I have spent the weekend hacking away on this and have got the 2.7
>>>> branch (https://github.com/care2x/2.7) sort of working on PHP 7.0.
>>>>
>>>> There are a ton of warnings and notices that need looking at and I
>>>> haven't checked anything like all the functionality so there is bound
>>>> to be more broken stuff, but it does work, and if I can do this in a
>>>> weekend we can resuscitate care2x.
>>>>
>>>> Tim
>>>>
>>>> On 22 April 2016 at 08:58, Tim Schofield <tim.schofield1...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> I know I have been banging on about this for a long time now and
>>>>> people are probably fed up :).
>>>>>
>>>>> We now have a significant problem as Ubuntu 16.04 LTS includes PHP 7.0
>>>>> by default ( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseNotes#PHP_7.0
>>>>> ) and care2x is completely broken in PHP7. Where Ubuntu goes others
>>>>> will follow.
>>>>>
>>>>> To put this right requires a great deal of work. The question is
>>>>> whether there is the will to do this?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Tim
>>>>>
>>>>> On 7 March 2016 at 07:11, Sovello Hildebrand Mgani
>>>>> <sovellohpmg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>> Very true, I am running PHP 5.5 and set error reporting to ON. I found
>>>>>> a lot
>>>>>> of issues to fix (at least from the branch that I cloned).
>>>>>> And BTW, I got past the hitch I had come across earlier.
>>>>>> Thanks for your insights, and we can let this sleeping giant wake up.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2016-03-06 18:43 GMT+03:00 Tim Schofield <tim.schofield1...@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Israel, I think you will find it only *appears* to work in 5.6 as a
>>>>>>> lot of issues are being suppressed with the use of overly forgiving
>>>>>>> error_reporting() settings in individual scripts. PHP 7 won't wo

Re: [Care2002-developers] care2x and PHP 7

[Tim Schofield]

Hi David, I will write something on the github wiki site and post a link here.

Basically every page has a custom error_reporting() level set to hide
any warnings and notices, some of which are inconsequential, some of
which are obscuring real errors. My next plan is to remove all these
and create one entry (probably in inc_init_main.php) which can then be
altered depending on whether the code is for development or
production. I prefer to develop with error_reporting set to -1 which
shows absolutely everything, and ensures I don't miss anything.

Thanks
Tim

On 25 April 2016 at 10:06, David Sarmiento Q. <dorphal...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ok.  So Tim, it looks like you already started looking at code, do you think
> you could make a list of where the errors and warnings are, so we can get a
> list of stuff to do and split it among us?
>
> On Apr 25, 2016 10:59 AM, "Tim Schofield" <tim.schofield1...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Agree 100%.
>>
>> "First make it work then make it better"
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> On 25 April 2016 at 09:53, Sovello Hildebrand Mgani
>> <sovellohpmg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Sure, it makes sense to make sure what we have works before we lose even
>> > the
>> > few clients who are our champions once they know we are still active.
>> > Then
>> > it makes sense to improve the code, because, right now, it's a nightmare
>> > to
>> > find where something is and you can't really tell what does what and
>> > how.
>> > __It totally is a mess__ but we should keep it moving while we do the
>> > repairs.
>> > I started keeping an eye on Care2x since 2012, until now I hadn't gotten
>> > something that was working right away. You have to write a couple grep
>> > statements when trying to fix things.
>> > Maybe Tanzanian folks who are actively deploying Care2x would chime in
>> > and
>> > give Care2x a boost from whatever they have developed and fixed.
>> > Tim and I have been working together recently and I hope we continue, I
>> > would also call upon everyone that as long as there's no funding, let
>> > everyone of us commit sometime to look at Care2x and do something, then
>> > we
>> > can move. The rest (new clients, funding, etc) will always come when
>> > it's
>> > their time to come.
>> >
>> > Cheers
>> >
>> > 2016-04-25 11:11 GMT+03:00 Tim Schofield <tim.schofield1...@gmail.com>:
>> >>
>> >> Hi David, I wasn't taking offence, email can be such a difficult
>> >> medium for getting a sentiment across :)
>> >>
>> >> Re-writing care2x has been discussed for well over a decade. My first
>> >> contribution to the project was an email on the subject nearly ten
>> >> years ago and it was considered a very old topic then. I think if it
>> >> was going to happen it would have happened. Meanwhile I hear of
>> >> hospitals moving from care2x because they believe the project is dead.
>> >>
>> >> I know the African market well, and I strongly believe that care2x
>> >> could play a big part in it. However the first step has to be to get
>> >> the current code working and polished and then we can start looking at
>> >> improving that code to make it more easily maintainable.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks
>> >> Tim
>> >>
>> >> On 25 April 2016 at 08:38, David Sarmiento Q. <dorphal...@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > Tim, I meant no disrespect , I'm sorry if my message was poorly
>> >> > written,
>> >> > I
>> >> > think that every bit of work that gets into the project is extremely
>> >> > valuable. I just wanted to state my proposal will be labour
>> >> > intensive.
>> >> >
>> >> > I just think that for care 2x to be viable once again we need to
>> >> > design
>> >> > it
>> >> > again, make sure the features are there but with an architecture and
>> >> > coding
>> >> > standards that will allow for to be maintained.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > --
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>> >> > Manager
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Re: [Care2002-developers] care2x and PHP 7

[Tim Schofield]

Agree 100%.

"First make it work then make it better"

Tim

On 25 April 2016 at 09:53, Sovello Hildebrand Mgani
<sovellohpmg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sure, it makes sense to make sure what we have works before we lose even the
> few clients who are our champions once they know we are still active. Then
> it makes sense to improve the code, because, right now, it's a nightmare to
> find where something is and you can't really tell what does what and how.
> __It totally is a mess__ but we should keep it moving while we do the
> repairs.
> I started keeping an eye on Care2x since 2012, until now I hadn't gotten
> something that was working right away. You have to write a couple grep
> statements when trying to fix things.
> Maybe Tanzanian folks who are actively deploying Care2x would chime in and
> give Care2x a boost from whatever they have developed and fixed.
> Tim and I have been working together recently and I hope we continue, I
> would also call upon everyone that as long as there's no funding, let
> everyone of us commit sometime to look at Care2x and do something, then we
> can move. The rest (new clients, funding, etc) will always come when it's
> their time to come.
>
> Cheers
>
> 2016-04-25 11:11 GMT+03:00 Tim Schofield <tim.schofield1...@gmail.com>:
>>
>> Hi David, I wasn't taking offence, email can be such a difficult
>> medium for getting a sentiment across :)
>>
>> Re-writing care2x has been discussed for well over a decade. My first
>> contribution to the project was an email on the subject nearly ten
>> years ago and it was considered a very old topic then. I think if it
>> was going to happen it would have happened. Meanwhile I hear of
>> hospitals moving from care2x because they believe the project is dead.
>>
>> I know the African market well, and I strongly believe that care2x
>> could play a big part in it. However the first step has to be to get
>> the current code working and polished and then we can start looking at
>> improving that code to make it more easily maintainable.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Tim
>>
>> On 25 April 2016 at 08:38, David Sarmiento Q. <dorphal...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Tim, I meant no disrespect , I'm sorry if my message was poorly written,
>> > I
>> > think that every bit of work that gets into the project is extremely
>> > valuable. I just wanted to state my proposal will be labour intensive.
>> >
>> > I just think that for care 2x to be viable once again we need to design
>> > it
>> > again, make sure the features are there but with an architecture and
>> > coding
>> > standards that will allow for to be maintained.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Find and fix application performance issues faster with Applications
>> > Manager
>> > Applications Manager provides deep performance insights into multiple
>> > tiers
>> > of
>> > your business applications. It resolves application problems quickly and
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>
>
>
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>
>
>
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>
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Re: [Care2002-developers] care2x and PHP 7

[Tim Schofield]

Hi David, I wasn't taking offence, email can be such a difficult
medium for getting a sentiment across :)

Re-writing care2x has been discussed for well over a decade. My first
contribution to the project was an email on the subject nearly ten
years ago and it was considered a very old topic then. I think if it
was going to happen it would have happened. Meanwhile I hear of
hospitals moving from care2x because they believe the project is dead.

I know the African market well, and I strongly believe that care2x
could play a big part in it. However the first step has to be to get
the current code working and polished and then we can start looking at
improving that code to make it more easily maintainable.

Thanks
Tim

On 25 April 2016 at 08:38, David Sarmiento Q.  wrote:
> Tim, I meant no disrespect , I'm sorry if my message was poorly written,  I
> think that every bit of work that gets into the project is extremely
> valuable. I just wanted to state my proposal will be labour intensive.
>
> I just think that for care 2x to be viable once again we need to design it
> again, make sure the features are there but with an architecture and coding
> standards that will allow for to be maintained.
>
>
> --
> Find and fix application performance issues faster with Applications Manager
> Applications Manager provides deep performance insights into multiple tiers
> of
> your business applications. It resolves application problems quickly and
> reduces your MTTR. Get your free trial!
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Re: [Care2002-developers] care2x and PHP 7

[Tim Schofield]

Hi David,

I wasn't pretending that doing it in a weekend was enough, but it
showed that we can get it working. The way to get funding is to have
an active vibrant project, my attempts to get funding for care2x have
all fallen at the "care2x is dead why fund it" stage.

It would be great to have your help on what we are doing.

Tim

On 25 April 2016 at 07:06, David Sarmiento Q. <dorphal...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey,
>
> I'm more inclined to make it work by 'doing it right ', it may take more
> time than a weekend but I believe the only way to bring this up to date and
> have it become maintainable again. There have been some discussions in the
> past about the how but they kinda dissolved on their own. Right now I don't
> have that much time but I'm willing to commit a some hours a week to this
> (maybe 4).
>
> If we're going to do this, we need to be coordinated, else it will just be a
> pile of good intentions instead of great software. If funding is an issue
> (and I think it is), maybe a kickstarter could help us get the funds to  be
> able to commit to this project?
>
> David
>
>
>
> On Apr 24, 2016 22:20, "Tim Schofield" <tim.schofield1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I have spent the weekend hacking away on this and have got the 2.7
>> branch (https://github.com/care2x/2.7) sort of working on PHP 7.0.
>>
>> There are a ton of warnings and notices that need looking at and I
>> haven't checked anything like all the functionality so there is bound
>> to be more broken stuff, but it does work, and if I can do this in a
>> weekend we can resuscitate care2x.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> On 22 April 2016 at 08:58, Tim Schofield <tim.schofield1...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > I know I have been banging on about this for a long time now and
>> > people are probably fed up :).
>> >
>> > We now have a significant problem as Ubuntu 16.04 LTS includes PHP 7.0
>> > by default ( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseNotes#PHP_7.0
>> > ) and care2x is completely broken in PHP7. Where Ubuntu goes others
>> > will follow.
>> >
>> > To put this right requires a great deal of work. The question is
>> > whether there is the will to do this?
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> > Tim
>> >
>> > On 7 March 2016 at 07:11, Sovello Hildebrand Mgani
>> > <sovellohpmg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> Hi!
>> >> Very true, I am running PHP 5.5 and set error reporting to ON. I found
>> >> a lot
>> >> of issues to fix (at least from the branch that I cloned).
>> >> And BTW, I got past the hitch I had come across earlier.
>> >> Thanks for your insights, and we can let this sleeping giant wake up.
>> >>
>> >> Cheers
>> >>
>> >> 2016-03-06 18:43 GMT+03:00 Tim Schofield <tim.schofield1...@gmail.com>:
>> >>>
>> >>> Hi Israel, I think you will find it only *appears* to work in 5.6 as a
>> >>> lot of issues are being suppressed with the use of overly forgiving
>> >>> error_reporting() settings in individual scripts. PHP 7 won't work as
>> >>> a number of things deprecated in the 5 series have been removed
>> >>> entirely.
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks
>> >>> Tim
>> >>>
>> >>> On 6 March 2016 at 14:52, Israel Pascal <israel.pasca...@gmail.com>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>> > Hi Tim,
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Care2x has been cleaned up, it works with PHP 5.6. Not tested in PHP
>> >>> > 7.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Best,
>> >>> > Israel.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > On Thursday, March 3, 2016,
>> >>> > <care2002-developers-requ...@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Send Care2002-developers mailing list submissions to
>> >>> >> care2002-developers@lists.sourceforge.net
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/care2002-developers
>> >>> >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>> >>> >> care2002-developers-requ...@lists.sourceforge.net
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> You can reach t

Re: [Care2002-developers] care2x and PHP 7

[Tim Schofield]

I have spent the weekend hacking away on this and have got the 2.7
branch (https://github.com/care2x/2.7) sort of working on PHP 7.0.

There are a ton of warnings and notices that need looking at and I
haven't checked anything like all the functionality so there is bound
to be more broken stuff, but it does work, and if I can do this in a
weekend we can resuscitate care2x.

Tim

On 22 April 2016 at 08:58, Tim Schofield <tim.schofield1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I know I have been banging on about this for a long time now and
> people are probably fed up :).
>
> We now have a significant problem as Ubuntu 16.04 LTS includes PHP 7.0
> by default ( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseNotes#PHP_7.0
> ) and care2x is completely broken in PHP7. Where Ubuntu goes others
> will follow.
>
> To put this right requires a great deal of work. The question is
> whether there is the will to do this?
>
> Thanks
> Tim
>
> On 7 March 2016 at 07:11, Sovello Hildebrand Mgani
> <sovellohpmg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi!
>> Very true, I am running PHP 5.5 and set error reporting to ON. I found a lot
>> of issues to fix (at least from the branch that I cloned).
>> And BTW, I got past the hitch I had come across earlier.
>> Thanks for your insights, and we can let this sleeping giant wake up.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> 2016-03-06 18:43 GMT+03:00 Tim Schofield <tim.schofield1...@gmail.com>:
>>>
>>> Hi Israel, I think you will find it only *appears* to work in 5.6 as a
>>> lot of issues are being suppressed with the use of overly forgiving
>>> error_reporting() settings in individual scripts. PHP 7 won't work as
>>> a number of things deprecated in the 5 series have been removed
>>> entirely.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Tim
>>>
>>> On 6 March 2016 at 14:52, Israel Pascal <israel.pasca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > Hi Tim,
>>> >
>>> > Care2x has been cleaned up, it works with PHP 5.6. Not tested in PHP 7.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Best,
>>> > Israel.
>>> >
>>> > On Thursday, March 3, 2016,
>>> > <care2002-developers-requ...@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Send Care2002-developers mailing list submissions to
>>> >> care2002-developers@lists.sourceforge.net
>>> >>
>>> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>>> >>
>>> >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/care2002-developers
>>> >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>>> >>     care2002-developers-requ...@lists.sourceforge.net
>>> >>
>>> >> You can reach the person managing the list at
>>> >> care2002-developers-ow...@lists.sourceforge.net
>>> >>
>>> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
>>> >> than "Re: Contents of Care2002-developers digest..."
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Today's Topics:
>>> >>
>>> >>1. Re: Support around page building for care2x (Robert Meggle)
>>> >>2. Re: Support around page building for care2x (Tim Schofield)
>>> >>3. Re: Support around page building for care2x
>>> >>   (Sovello Hildebrand Mgani)
>>> >>4. Re: Support around page building for care2x
>>> >>   (Sovello Hildebrand Mgani)
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> --
>>> >>
>>> >> Message: 1
>>> >> Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2016 14:49:53 +0100
>>> >> From: Robert Meggle <robert.meg...@care2x.org>
>>> >> Subject: Re: [Care2002-developers] Support around page building for
>>> >> care2x
>>> >> To: care2002-developers@lists.sourceforge.net
>>> >> Message-ID: <1457012993.4194.36.camel@mero>
>>> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>> >>
>>> >> Hello,
>>> >>
>>> >> seems to be a repro we do not know :) Maybe one of our users or any
>>> >> developer.
>>> >>
>>> >> Are you looking for the official branch of care2x or the tanzanian
>>> >> branch (also called "east african branch")?
>>> >>
>>> 

Re: [Care2002-developers] care2x and PHP 7

[Tim Schofield]

I know I have been banging on about this for a long time now and
people are probably fed up :).

We now have a significant problem as Ubuntu 16.04 LTS includes PHP 7.0
by default ( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseNotes#PHP_7.0
) and care2x is completely broken in PHP7. Where Ubuntu goes others
will follow.

To put this right requires a great deal of work. The question is
whether there is the will to do this?

Thanks
Tim

On 7 March 2016 at 07:11, Sovello Hildebrand Mgani
<sovellohpmg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi!
> Very true, I am running PHP 5.5 and set error reporting to ON. I found a lot
> of issues to fix (at least from the branch that I cloned).
> And BTW, I got past the hitch I had come across earlier.
> Thanks for your insights, and we can let this sleeping giant wake up.
>
> Cheers
>
> 2016-03-06 18:43 GMT+03:00 Tim Schofield <tim.schofield1...@gmail.com>:
>>
>> Hi Israel, I think you will find it only *appears* to work in 5.6 as a
>> lot of issues are being suppressed with the use of overly forgiving
>> error_reporting() settings in individual scripts. PHP 7 won't work as
>> a number of things deprecated in the 5 series have been removed
>> entirely.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Tim
>>
>> On 6 March 2016 at 14:52, Israel Pascal <israel.pasca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Hi Tim,
>> >
>> > Care2x has been cleaned up, it works with PHP 5.6. Not tested in PHP 7.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Best,
>> > Israel.
>> >
>> > On Thursday, March 3, 2016,
>> > <care2002-developers-requ...@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Send Care2002-developers mailing list submissions to
>> >> care2002-developers@lists.sourceforge.net
>> >>
>> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>> >>
>> >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/care2002-developers
>> >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>> >> care2002-developers-requ...@lists.sourceforge.net
>> >>
>> >> You can reach the person managing the list at
>> >>     care2002-developers-ow...@lists.sourceforge.net
>> >>
>> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
>> >> than "Re: Contents of Care2002-developers digest..."
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Today's Topics:
>> >>
>> >>1. Re: Support around page building for care2x (Robert Meggle)
>> >>2. Re: Support around page building for care2x (Tim Schofield)
>> >>3. Re: Support around page building for care2x
>> >>   (Sovello Hildebrand Mgani)
>> >>4. Re: Support around page building for care2x
>> >>   (Sovello Hildebrand Mgani)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >>
>> >> Message: 1
>> >> Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2016 14:49:53 +0100
>> >> From: Robert Meggle <robert.meg...@care2x.org>
>> >> Subject: Re: [Care2002-developers] Support around page building for
>> >> care2x
>> >> To: care2002-developers@lists.sourceforge.net
>> >> Message-ID: <1457012993.4194.36.camel@mero>
>> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>> >>
>> >> Hello,
>> >>
>> >> seems to be a repro we do not know :) Maybe one of our users or any
>> >> developer.
>> >>
>> >> Are you looking for the official branch of care2x or the tanzanian
>> >> branch (also called "east african branch")?
>> >>
>> >> Robert
>> >>
>> >> Sovello Hildebrand Mgani:
>> >> > Hi all,
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > I have cloned the repo https://github.com/patmark/care2x-tz and was
>> >> > wondering how are pages being built. Take a case where I want to add
>> >> > a
>> >> > new module which will entail adding a new menu item, and its
>> >> > associated pages.
>> >> > Any pointers around this will be much appreciated
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Cheers
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > :: Sovello Hildebrand Mgani ::
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > --If you teach man to fish, you'll feed him a lifetime--
>&g

Re: [Care2002-developers] Updating Care2x database tables

[Tim Schofield]

I would say we have two distinct issues with the DB structure.

1 We need to ensure that we have a structure that works with the code
base that we are using. This needs to be put under the installer/
directory (which I notice had been omitted from github but I have now
uploaded).

2 Then we need a method for adding database updates for any new
features so that users can safely update to newer versions. One
technique I have used in the past is to have a directory with
sequentially numbered update files in, and then when an admin user
logs in the latest numbered applied is compared with the highest
number in that directory and then any new updates can be applied.

Tim

ps I have reviewed and merged your pull request.

On 28 March 2016 at 05:17, Sovello Hildebrand Mgani
 wrote:
> Thanks all for the pointers!
> I have been working in a place with very limited internet access.
> I will make use of the suggestions and send feedback of what I'll have done
> then.
>
> Am thinking this will be one of the functionalities we may need in Care2x so
> it's easy to edit the database schema as we are developing. [It will serve
> us hours of making comparisons :)]
>
> Thank you all.
>
> Cheers
>
> 2016-03-25 20:05 GMT+03:00 Ap.Muthu :
>>
>> Install a new Care2x and then compare the schema between the new and old
>> one can check for differences in a Schema compare tool like SQLyog and make
>> changes in the database manually.
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Sovello Hildebrand Mgani
>> To: care2002-developers@lists.sourceforge.net
>> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 11:28 AM
>> Subject: [Care2002-developers] Updating Care2x database tables
>>
>> Hi everyone!
>> How do we update a Care2x database table when the system is already
>> installed.
>> I came to realize that some of the fields though available in the module
>> class (e.g. class_lab.php) but are missing in the actual tables associated
>> with the class.
>> I want to be able to update the tables after the instance has been
>> installed.
>> Any pointers will be highly appreciated!
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> 
>>
>>
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Re: [Care2002-developers] Updating Care2x database tables

[Tim Schofield]

Hi Robert I don't think this is a live system we are discussing here. I
think it's an old db I sent that may not be 100% compatible with that code
as many of the versions have slightly different db structures. It is just a
case of working through them

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On 24 Mar 2016 09:56, "Robert Meggle"  wrote:

> Hello Sovello, nie to hear from you. :)
>
> This is extremely difficult challenge and depends on the change itself
> how I would go for it. The issue is, that these data are in production
> use and you don't have any "playground" anymore like during development.
> Backup first! My paranoid aspect: If you have never restored this
> backup, you don't have any backup.
>
> How to do the change?
>
> In some cases I use simple (SQL/bash/perl/...) scripts.
>
> In more complex events or if it is foreseeable that there are data
> transformations to be done, such like merging columns, dividing one
> table information into "n" other related tables etc. I always using
> pdi/kettle:
> http://community.pentaho.com/projects/data-integration/
> Works with nearly all common databases. And you have the option to start
> it from an update script. Java runtime is required for PDE. Maybe even
> JDE, don't know, because I have it always.
>
> This is a tool for ETL (Extract, transform and load data). Yes, you can
> do the same with conventional programming or scripting languages. But I
> recognized that it save time to use such ETL tools.
>
> So a bit difficult to say. Can you explain a bit more what the challenge
> is?
>
> Cheers
> Robert
>
> Am Donnerstag, den 24.03.2016, 08:58 +0300 schrieb Sovello Hildebrand
> Mgani:
> > Hi everyone!
> > How do we update a Care2x database table when the system is already
> > installed.
> > I came to realize that some of the fields though available in the
> > module class (e.g. class_lab.php) but are missing in the actual tables
> > associated with the class.
> > I want to be able to update the tables after the instance has been
> > installed.
> > Any pointers will be highly appreciated!
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Re: [Care2002-developers] care2x and PHP 7

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Hi Israel, I think you will find it only *appears* to work in 5.6 as a
lot of issues are being suppressed with the use of overly forgiving
error_reporting() settings in individual scripts. PHP 7 won't work as
a number of things deprecated in the 5 series have been removed
entirely.

Thanks
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On 6 March 2016 at 14:52, Israel Pascal <israel.pasca...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Tim,
>
> Care2x has been cleaned up, it works with PHP 5.6. Not tested in PHP 7.
>
>
>
> Best,
> Israel.
>
> On Thursday, March 3, 2016,
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>>1. Re: Support around page building for care2x (Robert Meggle)
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>>3. Re: Support around page building for care2x
>>   (Sovello Hildebrand Mgani)
>>4. Re: Support around page building for care2x
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2016 14:49:53 +0100
>> From: Robert Meggle <robert.meg...@care2x.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Care2002-developers] Support around page building for
>> care2x
>> To: care2002-developers@lists.sourceforge.net
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>> Hello,
>>
>> seems to be a repro we do not know :) Maybe one of our users or any
>> developer.
>>
>> Are you looking for the official branch of care2x or the tanzanian
>> branch (also called "east african branch")?
>>
>> Robert
>>
>> Sovello Hildebrand Mgani:
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> >
>> > I have cloned the repo https://github.com/patmark/care2x-tz and was
>> > wondering how are pages being built. Take a case where I want to add a
>> > new module which will entail adding a new menu item, and its
>> > associated pages.
>> > Any pointers around this will be much appreciated
>> >
>> >
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>> From: Tim Schofield <tim.schofield1...@gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Care2002-developers] Support around page building for
>> care2x
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Re: [Care2002-developers] Support around page building for care2x

[Tim Schofield]

Hi, at the moment I think it is fair to say nobody is working on these
issues. I tried to get some interest going a while back but nobody
seemed much interested.

I am more than happy to help with this effort, but don't really have
the time to actually manage the process, but if someone else wants to
do that I am more than happy to help.

Tim

On 3 March 2016 at 20:07, Sovello Hildebrand Mgani
<sovellohpmg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks for your responses.
>
> Yes Tim, I concur, error_reporting has been so suppressed, which renders the
> apache error_log almost useless.
>
> I agree with the idea of an overhaul, am interested to know who is
> coordinating this? Is the team open or closed? How would one join the team
> for the overhaul?
> How soon is overhaul going to happen?
>
> Again, thanks a lot for the pointers.
>
> Cheers
>
> 2016-03-03 19:57 GMT+03:00 Tim Schofield <tim.schofield1...@gmail.com>:
>>
>> Hi Robert,
>>
>> I believe this is that EA version but with no history on it. Israel's
>> name is heavily mentioned there and I am pretty sure he follows this
>> list and could probably give us more info.
>>
>> To (badly) answer the original question from Hildebrand regarding
>> adding additional features I would say don't at this moment. This
>> version in particular but care2x in general really needs an overhaul
>> as there is a huge amount of code that uses deprecated functionality
>> that has been removed altogether in PHP7 (it doesn't run at all in
>> PHP7).
>>
>> IMHO what needs doing if care2x is to survive is to start setting
>> error_reporting to a much less forgiving setting in the individual
>> scripts and then sorting out the error messages you get. I would
>> recommend this over adding a new feature to something that will soon
>> become obsolete.
>>
>> Just my thoughts
>> Tim
>>
>> On 3 March 2016 at 13:49, Robert Meggle <robert.meg...@care2x.org> wrote:
>> > Hello,
>> >
>> > seems to be a repro we do not know :) Maybe one of our users or any
>> > developer.
>> >
>> > Are you looking for the official branch of care2x or the tanzanian
>> > branch (also called "east african branch")?
>> >
>> > Robert
>> >
>> > Sovello Hildebrand Mgani:
>> >> Hi all,
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I have cloned the repo https://github.com/patmark/care2x-tz and was
>> >> wondering how are pages being built. Take a case where I want to add a
>> >> new module which will entail adding a new menu item, and its
>> >> associated pages.
>> >> Any pointers around this will be much appreciated
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Cheers
>> >>
>> >>
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Re: [Care2002-developers] Support around page building for care2x

[Tim Schofield]

Hi Robert, I have been running PHP7 on my development machines for a
while now and I can confirm that none of the available branches work
"out of the box". The most obvious issues are that the mysql (as
opposed to mysqli) extension has now been dropped entirely, and that
constructors must now be named __construct() and objects cannot
contain a function named the same as itself. There are other things
that have been dropped too but I can't remember them off hand.

Thanks
Tim

On 4 March 2016 at 07:14, Robert Meggle  wrote:
> Hello Hildebrand,
>
>
>> https://github.com/patmark/care2x-tz
>
> This one I do not know or follow. Maybe "patmark" can give here an
> answer?
>
>> https://github.com/care2x/HLH and
>
> This is a version I got some time ago from Israel Pascal what is been
> used as latest version. But as I said, its a bit far away and I am not
> sure if it is still the latest release. It was a try to bring all a bit
> together. Gjergj and me chooses here github instead of souceforge
> because it has a much better git support.
>
>> https://github.com/israelpascal/care2x-tz
>
> This seems to be the working release of Israel Pascal. He is reading
> this list and maybe he will give here some answer. In your case I would
> contact him direct.
>
> As Tim said, there is a bit pending work to be done that it will work
> stable. Several functions are outdated / depreciated and might could
> bring some issues on PHP 7. At least... it will bring some issues when I
> read the changelog of PHP.
>
> All in all: The east african branch is an early branch of care2x but is
> real used in clinics.
>
> Robert
>
> Am Donnerstag, den 03.03.2016, 23:11 +0300 schrieb Sovello Hildebrand
> Mgani:
>> Yes Robert,
>> I think that's the "East African branch."
>> I got a bit confused because there were about three repos
>> https://github.com/patmark/care2x-tz
>>
>> https://github.com/care2x/HLH and
>> https://github.com/israelpascal/care2x-tz
>>
>>
>>
>> Each one appears to be related to the other, so I decided to take the
>> one that had the most recent commits.
>>
>>
>> Which one would you advice I take to try out? I want to showcase to
>> some stakeholders, if they would be interested with the functionality,
>> then when the overhaul is ready, the system can be implemented right
>> aways, because the preparations are already under way.
>>
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> 2016-03-03 16:49 GMT+03:00 Robert Meggle :
>> Hello,
>>
>> seems to be a repro we do not know :) Maybe one of our users
>> or any
>> developer.
>>
>> Are you looking for the official branch of care2x or the
>> tanzanian
>> branch (also called "east african branch")?
>>
>> Robert
>>
>> Sovello Hildebrand Mgani:
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> >
>> > I have cloned the repo https://github.com/patmark/care2x-tz
>> and was
>> > wondering how are pages being built. Take a case where I
>> want to add a
>> > new module which will entail adding a new menu item, and its
>> > associated pages.
>> > Any pointers around this will be much appreciated
>> >
>> >
>> > Cheers
>> >
>> >
>> > --
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>> >
>> >
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Re: [Care2002-developers] Issues in care2x-tz

[Tim Schofield]

Hi Prabakaran

I repeat the question I have asked several times already. Are you
using the code from the github repository that I linked to a while
back? We have done a lot of work cleaning up that code.

I very much suspect the problem that you are having is due to your PHP
version, again Gjergj wrote this a while back. Try dropping back to
5.3.

I think everybody that you were cc'ing on your emails is on the care2x
developers list, so I have clipped them all out.

Thanks
Tim

On 28/05/2013, Praba Karan prabakaran...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi all,

  In care2x-tz pharmacy module=Drug prescription=when i click select
 patient it shows error like this i posted here.

 Similarly for medocs module it shows same error .
  In Admission medical services,notes  reports when i click it shows same
 error some time it shows access it denied like that.

 Please tell me how to resolve this issue in care2x-tz.

 And also i need details of billing module workflow and how it works please
 send the details.





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Re: [Care2002-developers] Issues in care2x-tz

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Re: [Care2002-developers] issue in care2x-tz

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This is with the version I linked to on github?

Thanks
Tim

On 18/05/2013, Praba Karan prabakaran...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi all ,

 care2x-tz,
 In Admission=prescription=add item= then next i clicked finished after
 that saved data will not come for current patient.
 send the correct  database for care2x-tz last three week i am struggling to
 connect care2x-tz.


 regards,
 prabakaran


 On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Tim Schofield t...@weberpafrica.com
 wrote:

 This is with the version I linked to on github?

 Thanks
 Tim

 On 17/05/2013, Praba Karan prabakaran...@gmail.com wrote:
  Hi Tim  all,
 
  In care2x-tz
 admission=seach=select patient=then admission data form in this when
  i
  click prescription it shows error appache request encoutered a problem
 like
  that i tried to resolve but didn't work.
 Similarly medocs and medical services also same issue can you please
  tell
  how to resolve this issue.
 
 
 
  Thanks,
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Re: [Care2002-developers] issue in care2x-tz

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This is with the version I linked to on github?

Thanks
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On 17/05/2013, Praba Karan prabakaran...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi Tim  all,

 In care2x-tz
admission=seach=select patient=then admission data form in this when i
 click prescription it shows error appache request encoutered a problem like
 that i tried to resolve but didn't work.
Similarly medocs and medical services also same issue can you please tell
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Re: [Care2002-developers] [Care2002-users] Issue in care2x-tz

[Tim Schofield]

Looking at this again Gjergj is right (as he is about most things,
except touch screen interfaces!!). This is a problem with php 5.4. I
have done some changes and put our code here
https://github.com/timschofield/care2x. More work is needed so anyone
who wants to clone that repository and help is most welcome.

Karibu sana!

Thanks
Tim

On 15/05/2013, Gjergj Sheldija gjergj.sheld...@gmail.com wrote:
 hi,

 if you are on php5.4 you can try to debug using the local server

 gj.


 On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 10:01 AM, Tim Schofield
 t...@weberpafrica.comwrote:

 Hi Prabakaran,

 You have written with these errors several times, both privately and
 on this list, but each time I make suggestions as to things to try you
 seem to ignore them. Are you not receiving my emails?

 Thanks
 Tim

 On 15/05/2013, Praba Karan prabakaran...@gmail.com wrote:
  Hi all,
 
  And i have error
 Registration=search=and then selecting the patient after that it
  shows
  the  admission form  in that i entered all relevant data including
  select
  inpatient or outpatient in this form when i submit the save button it
 shows
  empty screen and then  i went through backend database table
 care_encounter
  nothing inserted in this table.pls tel how to resolve this issue.
 
  We have to change in code or database pls send the details
 
  Pls send the correct care2x-tz database link it will very useful for me
  i
  am struggling last one week pls send the details.
 
  thanks,
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Re: [Care2002-developers] [Care2002-users] Issue in care2x-tz

[Tim Schofield]

Hi Prabakaran,

You have written with these errors several times, both privately and
on this list, but each time I make suggestions as to things to try you
seem to ignore them. Are you not receiving my emails?

Thanks
Tim

On 15/05/2013, Praba Karan prabakaran...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi all,

 And i have error
Registration=search=and then selecting the patient after that it shows
 the  admission form  in that i entered all relevant data including select
 inpatient or outpatient in this form when i submit the save button it shows
 empty screen and then  i went through backend database table care_encounter
 nothing inserted in this table.pls tel how to resolve this issue.

 We have to change in code or database pls send the details

 Pls send the correct care2x-tz database link it will very useful for me i
 am struggling last one week pls send the details.

 thanks,
 Prabakaran



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Re: [Care2002-developers] [Care2002-users] Issue in care2x-tz

[Tim Schofield]

Hi,

One of the things I suggested, is the same as Moye has said, and that
was to make sure the weberp interface is turned off.

Have you done this?

Thanks
Tim

On 15/05/2013, Praba Karan prabakaran...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi Tim,

 I didn't receive any mail tim can you please forward the details all

 thanks,
 Prabakaran


 On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 1:31 PM, Tim Schofield t...@weberpafrica.com
 wrote:

 Hi Prabakaran,

 You have written with these errors several times, both privately and
 on this list, but each time I make suggestions as to things to try you
 seem to ignore them. Are you not receiving my emails?

 Thanks
 Tim

 On 15/05/2013, Praba Karan prabakaran...@gmail.com wrote:
  Hi all,
 
  And i have error
 Registration=search=and then selecting the patient after that it
  shows
  the  admission form  in that i entered all relevant data including
  select
  inpatient or outpatient in this form when i submit the save button it
 shows
  empty screen and then  i went through backend database table
 care_encounter
  nothing inserted in this table.pls tel how to resolve this issue.
 
  We have to change in code or database pls send the details
 
  Pls send the correct care2x-tz database link it will very useful for me
  i
  am struggling last one week pls send the details.
 
  thanks,
  Prabakaran
 


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Re: [Care2002-developers] [Care2002-users] Issue in care2x-tz

[Tim Schofield]

One of the things I always tell people with this, is to first get care2x
working on its own, then do the link with webERP. Trying to do both at once
can lead to insanity -:D

Thanks
Tim


On 15 May 2013 12:37, Arun Sahaya Kumar arunsahayaku...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks Tim,

 Yes, working well.

 -Arun



 On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 5:03 PM, Tim Schofield t...@weberpafrica.comwrote:

 Hi,

 One of the things I suggested, is the same as Moye has said, and that
 was to make sure the weberp interface is turned off.

 Have you done this?

 Thanks
 Tim

 On 15/05/2013, Praba Karan prabakaran...@gmail.com wrote:
  Hi Tim,
 
  I didn't receive any mail tim can you please forward the details all
 
  thanks,
  Prabakaran
 
 
  On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 1:31 PM, Tim Schofield t...@weberpafrica.com
  wrote:
 
  Hi Prabakaran,
 
  You have written with these errors several times, both privately and
  on this list, but each time I make suggestions as to things to try you
  seem to ignore them. Are you not receiving my emails?
 
  Thanks
  Tim
 
  On 15/05/2013, Praba Karan prabakaran...@gmail.com wrote:
   Hi all,
  
   And i have error
  Registration=search=and then selecting the patient after that it
   shows
   the  admission form  in that i entered all relevant data including
   select
   inpatient or outpatient in this form when i submit the save button it
  shows
   empty screen and then  i went through backend database table
  care_encounter
   nothing inserted in this table.pls tel how to resolve this issue.
  
   We have to change in code or database pls send the details
  
   Pls send the correct care2x-tz database link it will very useful for
 me
   i
   am struggling last one week pls send the details.
  
   thanks,
   Prabakaran
  
 
 
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Re: [Care2002-developers] [Care2002-users] Issue in care2x-tz

[Tim Schofield]

Sorry Arun, I think I am confused with all the different threads. What
request?

Thanks
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On May 15, 2013 5:58 PM, Arun Sahaya Kumar arunsahayaku...@gmail.com
wrote:

 All,

 Some one please provide any update on my request earlier?

 Thanks
 Arun



 Thanks,

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 On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 3:00 PM, Arun Sahaya Kumar 
 arunsahayaku...@gmail.com wrote:

 Tim, Moye

 Do you have any document around Billing Insurance?

 The following does not work correctly.

- Administrate Companies Manage companies and their contracts
- Manage Insurance Companies Add or Edit Insurance Companies
- Manage Insurances Manage insurances and their conditions
- Members Add or remove employees and designated members
- Insurance - Reports Insurance reporting

 i.e. data is not saved. Admin companies are not shown in other regions.
 What set up am I missing? What is the functionality around this?

 Or how can I debug this?



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 On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 1:57 PM, moye masenga moy...@gmail.com wrote:

 It almost looks like the setting for the interface to weberp is set to
 active.
 If there is no weberp interface the setting should always be no.

 To check, go to System Admin --Access permissions-- XML-RPC Interface
 Configuration set to No

 If its not that then , it may be differences between the database and
 the code


 On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 11:01 AM, Tim Schofield 
 t...@weberpafrica.comwrote:

 Hi Prabakaran,

 You have written with these errors several times, both privately and
 on this list, but each time I make suggestions as to things to try you
 seem to ignore them. Are you not receiving my emails?

 Thanks
 Tim

 On 15/05/2013, Praba Karan prabakaran...@gmail.com wrote:
  Hi all,
 
  And i have error
 Registration=search=and then selecting the patient after that it
 shows
  the  admission form  in that i entered all relevant data including
 select
  inpatient or outpatient in this form when i submit the save button it
 shows
  empty screen and then  i went through backend database table
 care_encounter
  nothing inserted in this table.pls tel how to resolve this issue.
 
  We have to change in code or database pls send the details
 
  Pls send the correct care2x-tz database link it will very useful for
 me i
  am struggling last one week pls send the details.
 
  thanks,
  Prabakaran
 


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Re: [Care2002-developers] care2x-tz not installing. please help

[Tim Schofield]

Hi,

I have uploaded my copy of the db structure for the tz branch to here:

http://kwamoja.com/caredb.sql

Thanks
Tim

On 05/05/2013, Arun Sahaya Kumar arunsahayaku...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi Moye/Tim/Others,

 Can you please share with me the empty data base

 Any help from others is much appreciated
 Thanks,

 Arun

 On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 12:37 AM, Tim Schofield t...@weberpafrica.com
 wrote:

 As Moye says the database structure is very fifferent.

 I do have an empty database that works with that code.

 If someone can work that into the installer that would be great.

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 On May 4, 2013 6:24 PM, moy...@gmail.com wrote:

 Another reason for the installer not being used is that the database
 structure has changed significantly , new tables have been added ,
 additional fields have been added in tables , so in addition to the
 installer an upgrade script has to be created to address the changes

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Re: [Care2002-developers] Trunk and Branches?

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I don't believe it should give a problem except some E_DEPRECATED
warnings in PHP 5.3. These can be hidden by ensuring that
error_reporting is set to not show these warnings.

Thanks
Tim


On 28 March 2012 03:19, Anousak Souphavanh anou...@gmail.com wrote:
 Looks like mysql, apache, and php are latest version on my ubuntu 10.04.
 Will have to reinstall them manually.

 Will give it a try and many thanks to all.

 regards,
 anousak

 On 2012 3 27 19:48, Rogério P. Falcone roge...@falconeit.com.br wrote:

 Look version mysql, php and apache . This is very important.

 I'm problem with version. Now is very good.

 I'm Install with version :
 mysql 5.0.45, php 4.4.7, apache 2.0.50

 Software very simple on the install : wampserver

 Rogério




 -Original Message-
 From: Robert Meggle [mailto:robert.meg...@care2x.org]
 Sent: martes, 27 de marzo de 2012 04:42 a.m.
 To: care2002-developers@lists.sourceforge.net
 Subject: Re: [Care2002-developers] Trunk and Branches?

 Hi,

 Yes, the installer seems to deactivated in this branch. But there is an
 database dump in the repository:

 care2x_elct/install/mysql/manual/care2x.sql

 You can install it manually by doing following steps:

 - create a database
 - xammp [1]:
        - search for mysql.exe
        - go in that folder with command line
        - type: mysql.exe -uroot [name of db]  [care2x.sql]
 - linux:
        - type: mysql -uroot [name of db]  [care2x.sql]
 - open care2x_elct/include/inc_init_main.php
        - type in dbname, username and password for db

 for linux: Make sure that following folder:
 /care2x_elct/gui/smarty_template/templates_c
 has write permissions (chmod 777)

 Robert

 [1] Example: When you have installed xampp under C: and you have mysql.exe
 in a bin folder there:

 c:\xampp\bin\mysql.exe -uroot
 Type 'help;' or '\h' for help. Type '\c' to clear the current input
 statement.
 mysql create database c2x;
 Query OK, 1 row affected (0.00 sec)

 mysql quit

 c:\xampp\bin\mysql.exe -uroot c2x  C:\xampp\htdocs\care2x\install\mysql
 \manual\care2x.sql




 Am Dienstag, den 27.03.2012, 14:31 +0700 schrieb Anousak Souphavanh:
  Thank you, Robert.
 
  By the way, can you or is there a HOW TO INSTALL from branch or Trunk?
 
  I tried install from the branch per your suggestion but NOTHING
  happens when:
 
  htp://localhost/care2x
 
  it gives
 
  htp://localhost/care3x/installer/install.php
 
  though, but no furhter instructions.
 
  Thanks,
  Anousak
 
 
  On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 12:26 PM, Robert Meggle meg...@merotech.de
  wrote:
          Hi Anousak,
 
          You can give a try. The other branches came out of the history
          of this
          development. When the elct branch is working perfect, the
          other branches
          will be dropped out.
 
          Robert
 
          Am Dienstag, den 27.03.2012, 12:03 +0700 schrieb Anousak
          Souphavanh:
           Hi Robert,
          
           Thanks for your reply.  So I can give it a try using
          Care2x_elct? I
           know there are Tags and Utu folders there are well.
          
           Regards,
           Anousak
          
           On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 11:56 AM, Robert Meggle
          meg...@merotech.de
           wrote:
                   Hi,
          
                   The branch care2x_elct is a merge from several
          individual
                   developments. It is located as branch till it will
          be work
                   completely
                   without any issues. So far there is an issue
          reported that
                   some reports
                   are not working as it should. When I do have a space
          in my
                   schedule I
                   will look for.
          
                   Robert
          
                   Am Dienstag, den 27.03.2012, 11:34 +0700 schrieb
          Anousak
                   Souphavanh:
                    Hi all,
                   
                    I just completed a download using SNV and found
          two maIn
                   components
                    under Care2x_TZ: Trunk and Branches. May I ask
          what is the
                   proper
                    component to install? It looks like Trunk has
          updated files
                   and
                    functions... Also what would be a big differences
          between
                   Care2X_TZ
                    and Care2x? Can't decide what to install. I will
          wait for
                   your reply.
                   
                    Many thanks for your kind suggestions in advance.
                    --
                    Regards,
                    Anousak (Anthony) Souphavanh
                   
          
                   
          
 

 
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Re: [Care2002-developers] roadmap to care2x 3.0 up to its first release candidate (beta)

[Tim Schofield]

Hi

On 25 September 2011 09:43,  an...@e-healthexpert.org wrote:
 1. The single most pragmatic and useful initiative in the Care2x
 project continues to be care2x_tz (I am sure that that's what has been
 keeping Care2x alive)

I am not sure whether you intend this as a compliment or a criticism,
but as someone who has worked in a number of hospitals trying to
implement care2x_tz I have a few comments. Firstly I agree that it has
probably been the branch that has been most used, at least on the info
that seems publicly available. However it does have many limitations,
and a number of the hospitals who have tried to use it have failed.
One of the reasons for this is that actually the care2x_tz project has
fractured into many different branches. To my mind this is to do with
a lack of what you call 'command and control'. Robert has done an
amazing job in trying to bring these disparate branches together, but
I honestly believe that the best thing to do with care2x_tz is to
scrap it, and restart the project from this latest code base.


 2. The wild goose chase of the last couple of years has been: PHP6, a
 phone interface, GUI reshaping. Like all the other previous wild goose
 chases in the Care2x project, this one did not and will not bring any
 new interest and people to the Care2x project.

Well I don't think the care2x developers can be blamed for the demise
of the PHP6 project. I too have my doubts about the usefulness of the
phone interface, but I'm not sure I would call it a wild goose chase,
just an interesting initiative that may or may not come up with
something useful. As for the gui, if you have ever used the current
one you will surely agree it could be improved :-)


 3. There is a strong urge to command and control the project which,
 as everybody knows, is very difficult in any software project and
 totally impossible in an Open Source Software project.
 The page 9 of this paper is totally surrealistic corollary of this new
 round.

Well after many years in open source, I believe that those projects
which have a strong central command are best placed to survive. Look
at most of the successful projects they have this strong centre.


 4. What Care2x really needs is a radical reduction in complexity,
 including:
  a) stop trying to be all things to all people
  b) use a single platform for development and develop code to a single
  platform: there were times when it was very difficult to
  understand if a given bug was related to the code, to the needed
  supporting software or to the emulator platform used to try to run
  all this in a different OS

Either I don't understand you or this paragraph is nonsense. What
emulator platform are we talking about?

  c) use a single widely available platform (price free and open
  source): with single, specific, OS flavor, DBMS, Web server, Web
  interface. Everybody must be using the same platform and living the
  same day-to-day problems, to be able to quickly see what is
  related to the Care2x code and what is due to idiosyncrasies of
  the platform;

As above.

  d) reduce the number of tables needed to make Care2x run to half of
  what they are now;

I agree, but have you checked out the latest code?

  e) modularize code. If the code logic blocs are really modularized
  (into closed black boxes), anybody will be able to quickly code and
  put into place an alternative bloc without breaking the rest of the
  system;

This is exactly what Robert and Gjergj have been doing with this 3.0
code. Did you not look at it first before sending this email?


  f) do not attempt to command and control putative developers. Do
  not attempt to force project's roadmap, just to be able to convert
  it into a quick cash cow. In the case of the Care2x project people
  just keep arriving and leaving without seeing that illusive cow;

I don't think (though Robert may correct me) that there is any
intention to prevent developers from working on the core, its just
that as with most projects, having commit access to the core will be
restricted to those who have proved their ability first.



 Somewhere in the paper it is written: Build a standardized process and
 business outcomes
 Beware of the fact that standardization and innovation are opposite
 variables.

Hmmm, I am not sure that this is correct, what is your basis for this?

 Since Elpidio's first code releases we have had more and more
 standardization and less and less innovation and creativity... and it
 has not been the best thing regarding the project health and wealth.


 Regards,

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Re: [Care2002-developers] roadmap to care2x 3.0 up to its first release candidate (beta)

[Tim Schofield]

Hi

On 25 September 2011 14:18, J. Antas an...@e-healthexpert.org wrote:

 I was referring to 'command and control' not governance and leadership.

 Any software development project needs governance and leadership.
 Healthcare supporting software do need, perhaps, even more than other
 software projects

 The problem is that healthcare systems are a special kind of
 systems - complex adaptive systems - and those cannot be governed by
 means of command and control.
 In those systems the way to go naturally emerges from the day-to-day
 activities.
 Sometimes, under a few very special conditions, you even influence
 those systems. But you will not be able to dictate the way to
 go by decree (either of a single individual or of an illuminated
 oligarchy).

It has been a source of amusement for me over many years that people
involved in a particular kind of system, always think that theirs is
special kind of system and that facts common to all other systems do
not apply on theirs. The truth is normally very different...


 amazing job in trying to bring these disparate branches together, but
 I honestly believe that the best thing to do with care2x_tz is to
 scrap it, and restart the project from this latest code base.

 The real innovators have been Gjergj and Mauri, not Meggle.
 Most of the relevant work that is being raved now I can trace it back
 to Gjergj or to Mauri.
 I find it more difficult to trace back any good code or pragmatical
 ideas to Meggle.
 I have been following, however, that tendency that Meggle has to be
 the owner of the shop (looking back, I wonder, is this one of those
 german things).

Well I know all 3 individuals on a personal and a professional level,
and I am surprised, and I think they will be surprised by this rather
silly and racist statement.


 Well I don't think the care2x developers can be blamed for the demise
 of the PHP6 project. I too have my doubts about the usefulness of the
 phone interface, but I'm not sure I would call it a wild goose chase,
 just an interesting initiative that may or may not come up with
 something useful.

 That's where governance should step in. To call these attempts what
 they are: a waste of already scarce developer resources.

Without any command and control surely people can work on whatever
aspects of the system they want to, not just the ones that you dictate
will be a waste of time. The best ideas will get incorporated, the bad
ones will die. That's how open source works. BTW I think you will find
that the phone interface idea came from Mauri not Robert.


 As for the gui, if you have ever used the current
 one you will surely agree it could be improved :-)

 Well, I have used a lot (for a few years now, I tendo to prefer
 OpenEMR) and I agree that the GUI needs improvement. But that
 improvement is not critical. What is critical, in this fase of the
 project (and, at least in the last 6 years), is the simplification and
 modularization of the code.

 Well after many years in open source, I believe that those projects
 which have a strong central command are best placed to survive. Look
 at most of the successful projects they have this strong centre.

 A strong leadership and a lean governance mechanism.
 Linux, Ubuntu, Nginx, Postfix are good examples of that.
 MySQL, PHP and Apache are lousy examples.
 Just to cite a few.

Exactly my point I'm pleased to see you have changed your mind are now
in favour of strong leadership.


 Either I don't understand you or this paragraph is nonsense. What
 emulator platform are we talking about?

 Those which try to emulate a LAMP in a non L(inux) machine?

Well just as equally LAMP is an emulator of a WAMP machine then isn't
it. Can you maybe illustrate your point by telling us where the code
works in Linux and not in Windows?


   c) use a single widely available platform (price free and open
   source): with single, specific, OS flavor, DBMS, Web server, Web
   interface. Everybody must be using the same platform and living the
   same day-to-day problems, to be able to quickly see what is
   related to the Care2x code and what is due to idiosyncrasies of
   the platform;

 As above.

 To be able to develop and debug Care2x and not be distracted by
 problems not related with the Care2x code, we should reduce
 variability:
 by using a given distro flavor, periodicaly updated following a
 given cicle (problems dealing with the code changes
 in DBMS, PHP and other supporting software are naturally taken care by
 that distro maintainers  update mechanism).

You are missing a crucial point I think. Given that apache, PHP and
mysql are all available under a windows environment, how do you
propose the developers should prevent people from using Care2x in
windows or even on a Mac?

It seems to me that having ranted about command and control earlier
you are not only trying to dictate exactly what the developers can and
cannot work on, but even the computer on which the user can use the
software.


 This 

Re: [Care2002-developers] Translations

[Tim Schofield]

Persian requires right to left writing, is Care2x currently capable of
handling this?

Thanks
Tim

On 14/02/2011, Robert Meggle robert.meg...@care2x.org wrote:
 Hello Mr. Zeynab Rahmani,

 Thank you very much for your request and all your contributions are
 really warm welcome.
 We released a stable version November last year and we have moved out
 all non-complete or incorrect translations. When we have contributors
 who will take care about these translations they are warm welcome.

 To start these translation I would suggest following two steps:

 Actually the main care2x do have just core translations what are mainly
 complete. Look to the existing - and not complete - translations for
 care2x:
 http://sourceforge.net/projects/care2002/files/Language%20pack/

 Try to compare how it is fitting when you download care2x and installing
 the language packs:
 http://sourceforge.net/projects/care2002/files/CARE2X/Care2x-HIS-2.6.27.tar.gz/download

 Thank you very much
  Robert

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 hi all
 I want to participate in the team to make a translation of Care2X to
  persian.or i want to develop for care2x persian .
 How can I register to avoid simultanous translation?
 or how can i download Previous versions?
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Re: [Care2002-developers] new sf.net frontpage for our project

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Hi Claudio, I think Kickstarter requires a USA company with a USA bank
account. Though I may be wrong there.

Thanks
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 Back in Italy after a period of work in Uk, i wish to focalyze the view
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 What about an incubator like Kickstarter?

 RSVP
 Hi,

 I got informed from sf.net team that they did some changes on their
 back- and frontend. Now it has also affected our project page in a very
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Re: [Care2002-developers] Care2002-developers Digest, Vol 52, Issue 16

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It should work, but you need error_reporting to include ~E_DEPRECATED

Thanks
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 Hi,
  ***
 Hello Robert,

 I have been trying to look at the latest care2utu and it seems it
 doesn't work with php 5.3+. Is this is so?

 Thanks


 Yes, this is true. I will start to work on that issue by the next days.
 This version is different development branch than the main trunk.

 I will keep you informed here about these developments and vision for
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Re: [Care2002-developers] revision 6779

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Hi Robert,

Have you looked at how the insurances work in the care2utu branch?

Tim

On 21 September 2010 19:41, Robert Meggle robert.meg...@care2x.org wrote:
 Hi Muthu,

 In fact you got the point I complain. Is there really a need for such
 insurance things? Insurances are always handled in a different, depends
 on government to government, from country to country and even from
 clinic to clinic.

 My intention is that registration place would be the right place for
 such kind of information but should be handled in different way. Every
 free text field allows misspelling issues and will bring that element of
 information down to an useless case.

 I would recommend to forget these insurances things for the moment and
 let us think later how to deal with an connected ERP software for
 financial settings.

 Any other suggestions?

 Robert


 Am Dienstag, den 21.09.2010, 23:55 +0530 schrieb Ap.Muthu:
 Hi Robert,

 What is the purpose of the status field being normal for certain values
 in the table: care_config_global ?

 In the code for saving to theinsurance table, the check is that if the
 insurance number is non empty and the insurance company is non epty only
 then will the insurance data be entered, else only the person data is
 entered. Now that the insurance class number field has come in, should all
 of that be re-coded to insist on a class being chosen if an insurance number
 is entered?

 Regards,
 Ap.Muthu
 apmu...@usa.net


  Hi,
 
  just one note on 6779, there was one value missing in
  care_config_global. Can be added by:
 
  INSERT INTO care_config_global VALUES ('person_insurance_1_nr_hide',
  '1', NULL, '', '', '', 00, '', '-00-00 00:00:00');
 
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Re: [Care2002-developers] another file movement

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Then you run the problem of how to deal with the next update that the
user might want :-)

Tim


On 21 September 2010 21:00, Gjergj Sheldija - AcmeTECH
gjergj.sheld...@gmail.com wrote:
  obviously yes

 gj.

 On 2010-09-21 9:58.MD, Tim Schofield wrote:
 Shouldn't the user have a choice about updating, and so would need to
 know what the update contained?

 Tim


 On 21 September 2010 20:50, Gjergj Sheldija - AcmeTECH
 gjergj.sheld...@gmail.com  wrote:
   Hi Robert,

 i thought of something more simple in the admin ui.
 a check for updates button..
 and have on the care2x.org site a simple script to reply to call
 from the sw.

 the only thing that might cause problems is that we have a mix
 of writable files inside cache, uploads and such mixed with files
 that would be updated, like the include dir..

 gj.

 On 2010-09-21 9:39.MD, Robert Meggle wrote:
 Hi Gjergj,

 Yes, that would be perfect. As long there is no module handling by PEAR
 (or something) we should have some ideas here. Well, I might have. The
 table for version could dominate to execute an sql query called by
 index.php on start - and after execute the sql-update query comming
 along with the php files it will flaged that it had been executed.

 What do you think about that workflow?

 Robert


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 2.6.1 is going to be a stable release. hopefully followed only by small
 updates.
 i was thinking on creating a small auto update script, what you think of
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Re: [Care2002-developers] Latest SVN 6700 trunk Download

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Hi Gjergj,

Are we talking about an online demo, or one we can download and play with?

Thanks
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On 16 September 2010 10:00, Gjergj Sheldija gjergj.sheld...@gmail.com wrote:

 hi Tim,

 Muthu and Robert are hardly working on releasing an 2.6.1 demo very shortly

 gj.
 On 2010-09-16 10:58.PD, Tim Schofield wrote:
 But maybe it would be good to release a 2.6 alpha, or beta release.
 That tends to encourage testing in my experience.

 Tim


 On 16 September 2010 09:07, Robert Megglerobert.meg...@care2x.org  wrote:
 Hi Muthu,

 You are never sleeping like me it seems :-D

 I have tested around yesterday a bit the ACL. Here I would suggest to
 simplify the process, because for now it is not understandable just for
 user what must be done.

 All other sections seems to work. For an release I would also first work
 in the warnings the current version is producing. When you switch on
 E_DEPRECATED in your php.ini you will see what I mean.

 Well, it is working. But I do not think it is good to release now a
 release 2.6.1 and in some days we would have 2.6.2 with that simple
 modifications. Nearly all the warning are produced by undeclared
 variables.

 Robert


 Am Donnerstag, den 16.09.2010, 13:10 +0530 schrieb Ap.Muthu:
 Hi,

 http://care2002.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/care2002/care2x/trunk/?view=tar
 That will get the latest (currently SVN 6700) on v2.6+ trunk.
 It will be okay to place this under downloads (currently absent) section of
 www.care2x.org .

 Regards,
 Ap.Muthu


   hi,

 you should use the trunk

 gj.

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Re: [Care2002-developers] what is your idea about ...

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Robert,

I strongly believe that the registration screen should be as
configurable as possible. As we both know, hospitals in different
parts of the world have very different requirements for what data they
need to acquire at registration.

Thanks
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On 16 September 2010 15:02, Robert Meggle robert.meg...@care2x.org wrote:

 revision 6707, class_gui_person_show.php, line 370:

 [...]
 if (!$GLOBAL_CONFIG['person_insurance_1_nr_hide']$insurance_show
 $insurance_nr){
 [...]

 And brings me to the question what fields must be mandatory at
 registration and admission.

 Please feel free to answer ;-)

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Re: [Care2002-developers] SVN 6699 file bugs

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Hi,

Should we be using the gettext branch or the trunk?

Thanks
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On 15 September 2010 21:44, Ap.Muthu apmu...@usa.net wrote:
 Hi Robert,

 Please pull a fresh one from SVN. That way if there are any deleted files,
 you will be synched properly.
 You may have the gettext version of some files or may have to update your
 SVN client.
 I use TortoiseSVN
 The said file resides at
 /gui/smarty_template/
 folder and is not present in any further sub folder.
 I can upload a fresh copy of the full SVN 6700 if you want - that can be
 distributed in place of the earlier version so that we can get fresh
 feedback.
 I have just installed a SVN 6691 and updated it with SVN 6700 and the db
 changes and it is okay.
 I have yet to test a full SVN 6700 install.
 We cannot afford to have a grossly broken trunk at this stage - only one
 good trunk for now
 I am gunning for a demo for the community  with the latest SVN code.

 Regards,
 Ap.Muthu


 Hi Muthu,

 Thanks, I have seen that you're working on it at the same time and
 you've fixed the things you mentioned here.

 But jst one question about line 243:
 include_once($root_path.'gui/smarty_template/smarty_care.class.php');

 That is working for you? On my trunk smarty_care.class.php is on
 ./gui/smarty_template/templates/default


 Robert



 Am Donnerstag, den 16.09.2010, 01:00 +0530 schrieb Ap.Muthu:
 Hi Robert,

 File: /include/care_api_classes/class_gui_person_show.php
     Line 243 seems to have an error - leftovers from debugging
     Line 447 does not need escaping of the quotes normally as the string
 is
 wrapped with single quotes.
         Is the escaping necessary here, presumably for use by the smarty
 templating files?
     Lines 177 and 222 have the apostrophe (single quote) encoding error -
 the infamous EF BF BD bug.

 File: /include/care_api_classes/class_access.php
     Line 10 has the apostrophe (single quote) encoding error - the
 infamous
 EF BF BD bug.

 Regards,
 Ap.Muthu

  Hi,
 
  I made some changes in the db as well, can someone other than me please
  test if it is working? Well, here it is working, but a test should not
  be done from the one who did the change.
 
  Changes:
  Revision: 6699
  - fix: Field PID is now unsigned and now a FK to care_person.pid
  Revision: 6697
  - default charset of all tables is now UTF8
  Revision: 6696
  - care_person tablefix: PID was PK and Index as well!
 
  And some clean-up's in the files of unsigned variables (not finished)
 
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[Care2002-developers] Change Log

[Tim Schofield]

Does care2x have a change log detailing who did what changes?

For instance there is code in the care2utu branch that is donated by 
ALMC clinic, where a lot of the copyright belongs to Moye Masenga. 
However without a proper change log it will be very hard to sort that 
out without a proper change log detailing the who and what.

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Re: [Care2002-developers] latest svn commits

[Tim Schofield]

I think one problem here is that we have got used to having all 
discussions on the developers list rather than the users list. Any 
discussions that are not specific to a development issue should be taken 
to that list, and only developers issues on this list. Most users of 
Care2x aren't interested in those discussions. Also they aren't 
interested in the svn changes that have been going through in the last 
couple of days.

Can I suggest to the admins they start to enforce this policy?

thanks
Tim


On 01/07/10 09:16, Senthil (Senthilruban, Puvanendran) wrote:
 Hi Gj,

 No issues.. i found many request for unsubscribe too.
 If you could give more details on error/problem with svn, i may able to
 help you as lived with svn more nearly 6-7 years..

 you can copy the file with new name manually, then with svn, you could
 do svn delete for old file and then svn add for new file. Can do single
 commit for all the changes,

 regards
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 hi Senthil,

 the svn problem was because i couldn't rename a file and change it's
 content
 and then committing..svn gaved me too many errors...so i had to do it
 like that
 causing many annoyances...sorry.

 regarding the mail..i'll change the setting as soon as possible..means
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Re: [Care2002-developers] Domain names and future of care2x

[Tim Schofield]

Too much emphasis is placed on roles within open source projects. The
reality of open source is that the person who does the most work in
each part of the project is the real head of that role.

To be honest it came as a surprise to me that Elpidio was still
considered to be the project manager of care2x. In recent years the de
facto project manager of care2x has been Gjergj, with assistance from
Robert. It is great that Mauri is now putting energy and work into the
project, and that is why people are now regarding him as project
manager.

There is really no such thing as promotion or demotion within a
project, just those who do a lot of work, and those who do a little.

Thanks
Tim


On 27 May 2010 12:02, Claudio Torbinio claudiogiu...@email.it wrote:
 Hi Elpidio and carers

 As I can read, the team is done; well, I can see that , all the work
 spent by me, the IT localization and the three installation I have in
 Italy have zero weight in the decision process...
 What does it mean, never mind, I disagree, as IT professional and as
 Nurse prescriber, with this current Prj settings.
 Probably it' s time for me to leave the project, due to my demotion, I
 will go ahead with a legal GPL forking

 BR

 Claudio

 Hi Elpidio,

 Kudos for the job well done up to the current version. I also want to
 embark on enhancing the care 2002 version that I downloaded some years back.

 Folks anyone with both users and developers manuals in pdf will be
 appreciated.

 Regards.


 On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 4:56 AM, Elpidio Latorilla
 elpidio.latori...@gmail.com mailto:elpidio.latori...@gmail.com wrote:

     Hello all,

     thanks to all who expressed interest in taking over the ownership of
     care2x domains.

     I owe you all an explanation for the recent changes. I have not done
     any development work
     on this project in the last few years  and I don't see me working on
     it in the coming years.
     Because of that I have decided to retire from the Care2x project.  I
     will still be listening to
     the list and other communication lines of the project but I will not
     be active anymore.

     Furthermore, the project leadership will be transferred to Mauri
     Niemi. He is a doctor working
     for missionary hospitals in Tanzania. Mauri has been with the
     project since its beginning
     in 2002 and has been active in the development of the tanzanian
     version. In fact, their
     Care2x version is one of the most successful application of the
     project.  I believe that
     Mauri will be the right project leader. He already agreed to take
     over the task.

     The domain names will be transferred to Mauri Niemi. The hosting and
     maintenance of the
     websites and other technical tasks will be done by Gjergj and Robert
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     Please excuse any disruptions during the transition phase.

     Thank you.

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Re: [Care2002-developers] cookies

[Tim Schofield]

This is a good point. 10.04 runs php version 5.3. I lknow Gjergj got
the main line working with 5.3, but the East African version (at least
the one I was seeing today) still needs updating to work with 5.3. In
order to start the work of bringing versions together we should look
at applying Gjergj's patches to the East African version.

Tim


On 8 May 2010 20:45, Frank Tilugulilwa tiluguli...@gmail.com wrote:
 Frank Msuya has installed Care2x on Ubuntu 10.4 and i think it has the
 latest PHP. I am conviced it is something to do with PHP default
 settings on its configuration file.

 -
 Frank Tilugulilwa

 On Wed, 2010-05-05 at 13:26 +, frank msuya wrote:
 Hi Robert Meggle

 I'm using Mozilla Firefox, i have gone throung the tools, the cookies
 are enabled. I got the same message, even by using other browsers like
 Internet Explorer.

 It seems there somewhere in the code, where cookies can be enabled.
 The same
 care2x works fine in my window xp machine with the same browsers.

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Re: [Care2002-developers] cookies

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Hi Frank,

I seem to remember having this message once before, and the answer
wasn't that cookies were disabled. It had something to do with the
path to the sessions being wrong, or read only. Do other php programs
work fine on this server?

Thanks
Tim


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Re: [Care2002-developers] Care2X website

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Centos is just Red Hat Enterprise Linux rebranded. It should have no
problems running Care2x.

Thanks
Tim


2009/11/24 robert meggle meg...@merotech.de:
 Hi

 2009/11/24 vivek kumar vivek.ope...@gmail.com

 hii


 how to install care2x in centos 5.3



 CentOS is linux based, comes along with Apache 2-2 and php 5.1.x as far I
 know. Should also be no real issue but i do not know CentOS exactely. What
 kind of issues do you have on CentOS?

 Robert


 i have install care2x ubuntu linux successfully. no error show

 plz help me


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 Hi Frank,

 Am Montag, den 23.11.2009, 21:02 +0300 schrieb Frank Tilugulilwa:
  Does anyone in this list get involved in managing this page?
 
 
  http://www.care2x.org/wiki/index.php/Private_installations_of_individuals_and_institutions

 reall not sure.. but I think it is from Elpidio itself. Is it?

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Re: [Care2002-developers] Care2002-developers Digest, Vol 40, Issue 18

[Tim Schofield]

Hi,

2009/8/26 coolman coolx coolma...@gmail.com:
 Hello Tim,
 Has has the weberp full integration with care2x been added to the main
 branch yet?

The classes have, but the function calls have not. They will be when I
have time to do it.

 Whats the url to the latest Tanzania version pls?

I am having problems with my servers here, so until I sort them out I
can't give you them from here. Others on here have the code I think


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Re: [Care2002-developers] Care evolution

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Hi,

As Robert mentioned we now have a version that links completely with
webERP from registration and admission through Radiology/Pharmacy/Lab
through to billing, doing all the necessary accounting and stock
entries automatically.

I am now in the process of cleaning up that code and then feeding into
sourceforge those parts that we would want in the main line.

I think it is time that we start to bring the various Care2x versions
together into one version. For instance having a flexible registration
form that can be altered for different locations.

Tim


2009/8/14 Robert Meggle meg...@merotech.de:
 Hi Frank,

 Thanks for that encouraging email! And it seems we have quite similar
 ideas.

 First of all we should focus the one release idea. By Monday next week
 I will upload the latest release we have done so far for the Arusha
 team. Tim and Beth worked long and hard to get a functional interface to
 webERP and now it is working. It contain even the pharmacy and stock
 interface and some other nice features. I am sure that Tim will comment
 his work by himself.

 This step is a quite interesting and now we are together when we talk
 about to centralize. At the end there should be one version and not
 branch what determine what could be used in what case.

 Also some other ideas in my mind what we could do, different scenarios I
 got from Hospitals. One example would be Equador who asked if there
 would be a way to start the implementation just with laboratory instead
 of registration. Other ideas are quite more easy to realize, when e.g. a
 internal department like the dentist clinic has appointments of patients
 not registered so far.

 Each testing step must be cleared and I am sure we will find quite many
 tester of our system. :-)

 First.. let show us together how we can use all to merge it. That would
 be the good step. Cleaning the code, as you mentioned, is also a
 needed step. Maybe we could call it code review and we have now a nice
 roadmap.

 Thanks
  Robert

 Am Freitag, den 14.08.2009, 16:59 +0300 schrieb frank tilugulilwa:
 Dear All,

 I am not intending to distort anything said below by Gjergi. Its a
 brilliant observation/email, please receive my appreciation.

 @ UCC Limited (Tanzania), i am the 3rd if not 4th developer to be given
 this challenge to study Care2X. It has not been an easy task.

 Suggestions :

 1. To harness efforts/ skills of different programmers, we should have a
 central repository (for development version) where all changes are
 committed to it. No individual repos/ multiple copies.

 2. There should be a way to have a Care2X stable release @ agreed
 interval

 3. We should start cleaning the directory and file structure (what
 should be here and what there). we have to agree on the standards to be
 followed.

 4. We should clean the code itself, unused code and re-arranging some.

 5. We should also document the architecture and the existing modules

 6. All bugs should be centrally reported. ( can use Trac etc), this will
 create a knowledge base as well

 7. Feature requests should be communicated to the list, we should  have
 some sort of a whitepaper before developing something for people to
 participate/ contribute to the idea.

 8. Testing team should be identified. We can all test but at least few
 of us should be responsible for testing and reporting back.


 If we do 60% of these Care2X will be a killer application.

 Which leg to start now? left or right ?

 My few cents!

 Thanking you,
 Frank Tilugulilwa

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  hi all
 
  this mail was sent some time ago..i think thay i should resend it
  again..
 
  A long time has passed since c2x appeared and a lot of things have
  changed over the years.
 
 
  PHP has become a more robust and business oriented language, a lot of
  tools are disposable for developers and a lot of new business
  strategies are available to help with the common day to day problems
  that we encounter.
 
 
  Localization and internationalization are now more easy that they
  used
  to be, and php 6 promises even further improvements via Unicode
  support. Creating user documentation is now much more easy via wiki’s
  and Java script libraries can help a lot with designing rich and
  practical UI.
 
 
  I thing that the time is right to start a small revolution in c2x;
  i’ll list here some suggestion that I think would be useful, they may
  be right, may not; it’s up to the community to decide.
 
 
  Printing
 
 
  I think printing should be centralized, we should use a centralized
  code to do that. Agatha with some improvements could ease the
  creation
  of new print forms without the need to specify pdf coordinated by
  hand
  as we actually do.
 
 
  Localization
 
 
  The current way c2x has of handling translation is very hard to
  maintain and error prone. A migration to gettext could ease the
  translation efforts and help c2x greaten it’s userbase.
 
 
  Besides that 

Re: [Care2002-developers] care2utu weberp folder

[Tim Schofield]

Hi,

The webERP from http://sourceforge.net/projects/web-erp/ will work
fine. Here are some instructions for making the link work:

In webERP all that needs doing is the variable $DatabaseName in the
script api/api_php.php needs to be set to the name of the webERP
database.

In Care2x there needs to be some changes to
include/care_api_classes/class_weberp.php

The following lines in the constructor:

$this-user = php_xmlrpc_encode(user);
$this-password = php_xmlrpc_encode(password);

need to contain a valid user/password for webERP which has admin privileges.

The URL in the line:

$this-ServerURL = http://localhost/webERP/api/api_xml-rpc.php;;

needs to point to your webERP installation. (I have run this between
servers at different geographical locations).

For testing purposes:

$this-DebugLevel should be set to 2 which will provide a lot of
output in care2c but is good until you have it working. Set to 0 for
normal use.

You need to set the xml-rpc link to on in System Admin/System Admin.

Then you should be ready to go. People always seem to run into
problems so if you do let me know.

Thanks,
Tim

ps Gjergj/Robert the files include/care_api_classes/class_weberp.php
and include/care_api_classes/class_weberp_c2x.php could be moved into
the main 2.6 version and I could submit patches to you to get the
integration into 2.6, if that is what you want.


2009/7/20 coolman coolx coolma...@gmail.com:
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 I downloaded the care2utu latest build from svn and I have been trying hard
 to figure out the integration with weberp. Do I need to download weberp? Is
 there any configuration file I need to edit?

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Re: [Care2002-developers] care2utu weberp folder

[Tim Schofield]

Hi Gjergj,

I have sent you the required files off list.

Tim


2009/7/20 Gjergj Sheldija gjergj.sheld...@gmail.com:
 hi Tim,

 yes please..

 gj.

 Tim Schofield wrote:
 Hi,

 The webERP from http://sourceforge.net/projects/web-erp/ will work
 fine. Here are some instructions for making the link work:

 In webERP all that needs doing is the variable $DatabaseName in the
 script api/api_php.php needs to be set to the name of the webERP
 database.

 In Care2x there needs to be some changes to
 include/care_api_classes/class_weberp.php

 The following lines in the constructor:

 $this-user = php_xmlrpc_encode(user);
 $this-password = php_xmlrpc_encode(password);

 need to contain a valid user/password for webERP which has admin privileges.

 The URL in the line:

 $this-ServerURL = http://localhost/webERP/api/api_xml-rpc.php;;

 needs to point to your webERP installation. (I have run this between
 servers at different geographical locations).

 For testing purposes:

 $this-DebugLevel should be set to 2 which will provide a lot of
 output in care2c but is good until you have it working. Set to 0 for
 normal use.

 You need to set the xml-rpc link to on in System Admin/System Admin.

 Then you should be ready to go. People always seem to run into
 problems so if you do let me know.

 Thanks,
 Tim

 ps Gjergj/Robert the files include/care_api_classes/class_weberp.php
 and include/care_api_classes/class_weberp_c2x.php could be moved into
 the main 2.6 version and I could submit patches to you to get the
 integration into 2.6, if that is what you want.


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Re: [Care2002-developers] Care2x install problem

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It only exists in that version. Of course you could argue that billing
doesn't belong in an application such as Care2x and that the
information on what is to be billed should be transferred to a
specialist accounting application to raise the bill.

Tim


2009/7/3 frank tilugulilwa tiluguli...@gmail.com:
 On Fri, 2009-07-03 at 10:20 -0700, herman syam wrote:

 BTW I can't find billing modules.


 So do I.

 I can only see this module when I install care2utu (east African
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Re: [Care2002-developers] Labaratories

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Hi Frank,

There are some updates under install/mysql/db_updates/ and I suspect
one of these is missing. Try running the query directly and see why it
fails.

Thanks
Tim


2009/6/26 frank tilugulilwa tiluguli...@udsm.ac.tz:
 Hello friends,

 Under LABORATORIES menu, i tried to view Pending requests and got the
 following error

 ==
 SELECT care_person.pid, care_person.selian_pid, name_first, name_last,
 batch_nr, tr.encounter_nr,tr.send_date,dept_nr,room_nr, tr.priority FROM
 care_test_request_chemlabor tr, care_encounter, care_person WHERE
 (tr.status='pending' OR tr.status='') AND tr.encounter_nr =
 care_encounter.encounter_nr AND care_encounter.pid = care_person.pid
 ORDER BY tr.send_date ASC

 Read attempt to DB failed!

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Re: [Care2002-developers] Billing

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Its mostly working, are you using the version that Robert directed you to?

Tim


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Re: [Care2002-developers] Medical laboratory - Display data

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I don't understand this one, can you give me an example of what you mean?

Tim


2009/6/26 frank tilugulilwa tiluguli...@udsm.ac.tz:
 Hi,

 Sorry to bug you today.

 There is also a minor bug, when trying to displaying data by searching.
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Re: [Care2002-developers] care2utu installation

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Hi, I have sent you a copy of this off list as I think its too big an
attachment for the list.

Thanks
Tim


2009/5/4 easy lin...@126.com:
 where is the file
 carew2utu/modules/billing_tz/insurance_company_tz_manage.php
  thxs

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Am Dienstag, den 28.04.2009, 21:52 +0800 schrieb easy:
 I am doing some work in put the care2x 2.6 into using in a china
 hospital.whichi will combine the care2utu.
 Hope some advice for this. hope put into svn someday.

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  Hi Frank,
 
  It should be under installer/db/sql/mysql_dump.sql
 
  Tim
 
 
 
 Hi Tim,
 
 Thanks for your help, i got the file and the script worked but something
 interesting is, there is  a file with php script that creates admin user
 separately.
 
 You need to delete it after creating a user.
 
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Re: [Care2002-developers] care2utu installation

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Hi Frank,

The database name and password are stored in
include/inc_init_main.php. Are they set correctly for your server?

Thanks
Tim


2009/4/28 Frank Tilugulilwa tiluguli...@udsm.ac.tz:
 Hello,

 where can I get information on how to install care2utu.
 I have downloaded the code using svn, when trying to install i get a
 message suggesting that mysql username/ password not correct.

 Tried to find which file is responsible with this and got one, update
 it, the system behaved well but the home page is  plain with a logo and
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Re: [Care2002-developers] Have problem to install care2x in ubuntu

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Hi,

Does the apache user (www-data in ubuntu I think) have access to the 
care2x directory, and all its sub directories?

Thanks
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On Sun, 5 Apr 2009, Kim Quyen Ly wrote:

 Dear All!
 I am follow the guide in Care Development Blog  Installing care2x 2.6
 alpha http://care2x.wordpress.com/2008/11/03/installing-care2x-26-alpha/
 I had success when install phpmyadmin,  but when I test it :
 http://localhost/phpmyadmin, I received the error  403 Forbidden
 (I test success nginx ).
 How can I fix this error. Thank you for your help.
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Re: [Care2002-developers] Fwd: Convert all MySQL tables and fields to UTF8

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Hi Mark,

I looked at this a while ago and seem to remember it can become a 
nighmare. There are a lot of potential problems with it. If you want I can 
look and see if I can find some of the references.

Thanks
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Re: [Care2002-developers] Tips on how to speed up page loading in Care2x

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Gjergj Sheldija wrote:

 as you see the decision cannot be taken from one person alone...
 

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Re: [Care2002-developers] too slowly updated of care2x, should continue exist or dead?

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Care2x is clearly not dead, and clearly continues to exist. However
there is a point here in that there are many sub-projects of Care2x
going on around the world and the code is not finding its way back in
to the main line here.

This means that releases on sourceforge are infrequent and updates to
sourceforge svn are infrequent giving an impression of a lack of
activity, when the reality is a lot of activity. Maybe more needs to
be done to bring these other projects code into sourceforge.

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On 04/12/2008, easy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  no defined plan of the project .no active user discussion,no completely
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 you can now login with an empty password and change it in the settings
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Re: [Care2002-developers] Payment Of doctors as Percentage of Bill paid by patient

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Peter,

Robert and I have done a lot of work integrating webERP into c2x. The 
webERP side is already loaded onto sourceforge cvs and  Robert has 
thec2x code. With this you can transmit the bill to the accounting 
system, and then pay the consultants charge from there.

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Re: [Care2002-developers] important notice

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Hi Gjergj,

Much as I admire the work that you do on Care2X I must disagree with
you on this one.

Up until tonight 304 mails have been sent to the developers list in
the 299 days of 2008. Fractionally over one a day on average. This
level of volume is so small that there isn't a problem of genuine
developers emails getting lost in a flood of OT postings.

Deleting emails that you consider should be on another list, or making
the list a private one, can only serve to put potential
users/developers off. This can easily give the impression of a project
clique. Much better to deal with the question, and politely point the
mailer in the direction of a more suitable list/forum.

On any open source project it is important to maintain as many lines
of communication as possible, and to deal with all requests in a
sensitive and polite way. Any trolls can easily be got rid of by the
simple process of ignoring them.

Thanks
Tim


2008/10/24 Gjergj Sheldija [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 hi developers,

 there is finally an official Care2X forum,
 located at http://apps.sourceforge.net/phpbb/care2002/
 Since this is a SF hosted application, you need to
 create a SF account prior to log in, or if you have
 one you can log in with it.

 the need for this came since the majority of the mail
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 i will start from 31.10 to delete all the mails not pertinent
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Re: [Care2002-developers] changeset to 2.5 alpha

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Mark,

The following command will download the new version.

svn co https://care2002.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/care2002/trunk/Care2007
care2007


Thanks
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2008/10/21 Mark Alan [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Gjergj Sheldija wrote:
 first of all, excuse me for the type of submit, but sf has some problems
 when submitting multiple files so i had to make small submits.
 this is a developers preview so until a stable beta release
 there will be only the svn version, so fire up your svn clients

 It would have been nicer if you gave the CVS command to checkout your
 CVS tree...

 The command...
 cvs -d:pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/cvsroot/care2002 login

 ...Produces:
 Logging in to
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 CVS password:
 cvs login: authorization failed: server openemr.cvs.sourceforge.net
 rejected access to /cvsroot/care2002 for user anonymous
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 This is unnecessarily difficult to those who want to help.
 Do you want to see a different approach?
 Just try doing the same for the OpenEMR project (another very good
 HealthIT supporting software package):
 cvs -z3
 -d:pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/cvsroot/openemr co -P
 openemr

 No fuss... just the code smoothly downloading to your computer.


 now, i'm waiting for your code patches to fix the always present bugs :)

 Well, I guess that an easier code checkout process would help...

 we need a place to host the bugtracker, if some one in the community
 has some free server space or some bandwidth to share it would be
 very helpful, since hosting it on sf is giving to many problems.

 Launchpad gives you 3 GB just for that... and no need to install any
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Re: [Care2002-developers] how about the new release to php5?

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Hi Gregj,

I think what they are saying is that the list has been told several
times that Care2X has been ported to PHP5, but the code has not been
released.

If it is not yet stable enough for general release, maybe a beta
version could be put here on sourceforge for people to test and help
speed the process up?

Thanks
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 easy wrote:

 maybe dead again.~0~,I don't want hope so.
 I think the care2x should give us a more active way to know about its
 progress and to participate.

 you have a blog http://care2x.wordpress.com/
 where all the news is available for all the changes happening in th code
 two mailing lists one at sourceforge
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 a bugtracker at http://care2002.sourceforge.net/mantis/my_view_page.php
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Re: [Care2002-developers] how about the new release to php5?

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2008/10/20 Mark Alan [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Gjergj Sheldija wrote:

 That's why you should be practicing release quick, release often and
 letting the world help you catch the bad bugs.

I agreee. Its the only way open spource projects like this can move forward.



 Anyway, just keep up the good work Gjergj.

I agree again.

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Re: [Care2002-developers] Framework?

[Tim Schofield]

Hi, Just though I would put my two penneth into this discussion. I
have been following this mailing list for a while now, and feel a
little bit frustrated with this project. It seems to me that care2k
has become a reasonable product by v2.5, and is on the way to becoming
a good product.

Then it seems it was decided to scrap all this good work and rewrite
it from scratch. Why? It seems to me that the way forward is one of
continuous improvement to the base product we have.

It also seems to me that the project has become so wrapped up in the
tools that it wants to use, that it has forgotten what its purpose
was. That is to produce good open source software for use in
hospitals.

My advice is to take what we have that is working (ie v2.5), look for
a way to improve it, and do that. When that is done, look for another
way to improve it, and do that.

Anyway, enough from me, just let me finish by saying _please_ dont let
this project die, by spending years deliberating over this framework,
or that set of tools etc

Thanks
Tim


On 11/02/2008, Dott Claudio G. Torbinio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi carers
 As i can see, as part of the project, is that we are talking over the
 same stuffs, still feb 2007
 The same talking, te same FW talking, the same CMS talking...
 There is somethink does not work. In one year i can rewrite code, port
 the project, make 1000 more activityes
 But only talk about... is a poor result.
 Now someone can agree with me how hard is decide...
 By my side i can agree or not with decision, but i am always, still,
 ever hard working.
 Please decide somethink
 BR
 Claudio G. Torbinio

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Re: [Care2002-developers] Integrating the DB's

[Tim Schofield]

On 16/10/2007, Gjergj Sheldija [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 hi Zeeshan,

 that's a great step, as for the db, i can do it withot no problem. yes
 i'm talnking on the mysql level
 another step to do would be to evitate data duplication, but that can be
 done on a later step.
 as for now i would be very glad to help.

 regards
 gjergji


Why integrate the databases? Surely this is only making things more
complicated than it needs to be, and making maintenance a nightmare.
Both databases can be accessed from within the same scripts.

All you need to worry about is when you need a query that accesses
both databases - I'm not an expert on Care2x but I know weberp pretty
well, and I would be surprised if you need to do this often, if at
all.

More important is a common login, and shared session variables, and I
would have thought this was a better area to put our efforts into.

Thanks
Tim

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