Re: Pioneer S201 vs A03
Brian Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I have been using the Pioneer S201 DVD-R drive with > the cdrecord (pro) software. To date, the drive and > the software have performed flawlessly. I am using the > drive and cdrecord for the long term archival of data > files on my linux servers, I am just making a big ISO > file with mkisofs and burning it with cdrecord. As I > am just using the DVD-R drive for the storage of a > normal linux file system I don't need to be using the > DVD-R Authoring media which is much more expensive > than the DVD-R General media (about $15 a disc > compared to under $10). Since I will be archiving > literally thousands and thousands of discs the cost > savings of switch media is huge. The problem is that > the S201 drive only supports Authoring media. > Pioneer's new DVD-R A03 (~$700) drive supports General > media but this is an ATAPI interface drive, not SCSI > like the S201. So my idea was to try an IDE to SCSI > converter (SCSIDE) on the A03. Has anyone done this > successfully with a drive and cdrecord? Does anyone > see any potential problems with this solution (or have > a different one)? Does you want SCSI converter because your system only support SCSI or any other reason ? I am burning DVD image on linux with this Pioneer A03 with the ide-scsi linux kernel emulation, and everything works fine. -- Warly -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Pioneer S201 vs A03
On Thu, Oct 25, 2001 at 09:25:02AM -0700, Brian Sullivan wrote: > I have been using the Pioneer S201 DVD-R drive with > the cdrecord (pro) software. To date, the drive and > the software have performed flawlessly. I am using the > drive and cdrecord for the long term archival of data > files on my linux servers, I am just making a big ISO > file with mkisofs and burning it with cdrecord. As I > am just using the DVD-R drive for the storage of a > normal linux file system I don't need to be using the > DVD-R Authoring media which is much more expensive > than the DVD-R General media (about $15 a disc > compared to under $10). Since I will be archiving > literally thousands and thousands of discs the cost > savings of switch media is huge. The problem is that > the S201 drive only supports Authoring media. > Pioneer's new DVD-R A03 (~$700) drive supports General > media but this is an ATAPI interface drive, not SCSI > like the S201. So my idea was to try an IDE to SCSI > converter (SCSIDE) on the A03. Has anyone done this > successfully with a drive and cdrecord? Does anyone > see any potential problems with this solution (or have > a different one)? I know the ATAPI drive works fine with ide-scsi drivers in linux. I believe pioneer has states that a scsi version is cokming soon (or may already exist), but most places probably don't carry the scsi version (at least not in stock). Of course as you probably know the A03 can only wrote to general media, not authoring media, but for your purposes that is fine. As for the ide/scsi convertor, I have no idea, given I haven't even heard of such a device before. Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Pioneer S201 vs A03
My IDE bus is under very load at times while the DVD-R is being burned. Basically I have a linux PC that is continuously fetching data to be archived from various other Linux servers via FTP and packaging the data into ISO files (this is all in the background). The PC only has a single IDE hard drive drive on it. If I was to use the IDE bus for the burns then the FTPs, ISO creation, and the DVD-R burns would all be using the same hard drive and IDE bus. With this load I think I my failure rate would be unacceptable. I could add a second hard drive dedicated to burning a DVD ISO file but this means the user has to wait to move the 4.7 GB ISO file from one hard drive to the second one before each burn (and since this is done 6 to 10 times a day that time adds up quick). I would rather not slow down the process if possible. Since there seems to be no load issues with my current SCSI configuration I would very much like to keep it (if possible). I appreciate your time and suggestions. Thanks. Brian --- Warly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Brian Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I have been using the Pioneer S201 DVD-R drive > with > > the cdrecord (pro) software. To date, the drive > and > > the software have performed flawlessly. I am using > the > > drive and cdrecord for the long term archival of > data > > files on my linux servers, I am just making a big > ISO > > file with mkisofs and burning it with cdrecord. As > I > > am just using the DVD-R drive for the storage of a > > normal linux file system I don't need to be using > the > > DVD-R Authoring media which is much more expensive > > than the DVD-R General media (about $15 a disc > > compared to under $10). Since I will be archiving > > literally thousands and thousands of discs the > cost > > savings of switch media is huge. The problem is > that > > the S201 drive only supports Authoring media. > > Pioneer's new DVD-R A03 (~$700) drive supports > General > > media but this is an ATAPI interface drive, not > SCSI > > like the S201. So my idea was to try an IDE to > SCSI > > converter (SCSIDE) on the A03. Has anyone done > this > > successfully with a drive and cdrecord? Does > anyone > > see any potential problems with this solution (or > have > > a different one)? > > Does you want SCSI converter because your system > only support SCSI or > any other reason ? > > I am burning DVD image on linux with this Pioneer > A03 with the > ide-scsi linux kernel emulation, and everything > works fine. > > -- > Warly __ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Pioneer S201 vs A03
I have been looking at two SCSIDE converters, both are around the same price of $100. One is the IDSC21-E from IO Data (http://www.iodata.com/products/idsc/idsc21e/IDSC21-E.htm) and the other is the ARS-2000UB Bridge Smart from ACARD Technologies (http://www.acard.com). The acard product is actually a complete external drive bay that does the conversion while the IO Data product is just an adapter you plug into the back of the drive. The IDE/SCSI software emulation probably won't work for me due to the heavy load I am putting on my IDE hard drive and bus. I am afraid if I used it the failure rate of the DVD-R burns would increase dramatically. My load consists during the DVD-R burn consists of simultaneously FTPing another 4.7 GB for my next DVD-R disc, creating the 4.7 GB ISO file for the next burn from this FTP'd data as well as creating seven 670 MB ISO files of the same data to burn to CD-R, and of course the actual burning of 4.7 GB to DVD-R and 4.7 GB across seven CD-R drives (all SCSI). Surprinsingly this is all running fine just fine on a Dell Dimension 4100 desktop PC with a Quantum Fireball IDE hard drive. My failure rate is probable about 1 in 50 right now if not better. Hopefully you can see why I would be hesitant to adding more load the hard drive. --- Len Sorensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Oct 25, 2001 at 09:25:02AM -0700, Brian > Sullivan wrote: > > I have been using the Pioneer S201 DVD-R drive > with > > the cdrecord (pro) software. To date, the drive > and > > the software have performed flawlessly. I am using > the > > drive and cdrecord for the long term archival of > data > > files on my linux servers, I am just making a big > ISO > > file with mkisofs and burning it with cdrecord. As > I > > am just using the DVD-R drive for the storage of a > > normal linux file system I don't need to be using > the > > DVD-R Authoring media which is much more expensive > > than the DVD-R General media (about $15 a disc > > compared to under $10). Since I will be archiving > > literally thousands and thousands of discs the > cost > > savings of switch media is huge. The problem is > that > > the S201 drive only supports Authoring media. > > Pioneer's new DVD-R A03 (~$700) drive supports > General > > media but this is an ATAPI interface drive, not > SCSI > > like the S201. So my idea was to try an IDE to > SCSI > > converter (SCSIDE) on the A03. Has anyone done > this > > successfully with a drive and cdrecord? Does > anyone > > see any potential problems with this solution (or > have > > a different one)? > > I know the ATAPI drive works fine with ide-scsi > drivers in linux. > I believe pioneer has states that a scsi version is > cokming soon (or may > already exist), but most places probably don't carry > the scsi version > (at least not in stock). Of course as you probably > know the A03 can only > wrote to general media, not authoring media, but for > your purposes that > is fine. > > As for the ide/scsi convertor, I have no idea, given > I haven't even > heard of such a device before. > > Len Sorensen __ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Pioneer S201 vs A03
As far as General Media goes this what I want. From my understanding Authoring media is only needed if CCS encrypted video is to be put on the disc. Since I am just using the disc for the archival of data files from linux servers I don't really need Authoring quality, General should do just fine. Authoring drives such as the S201 cost around $4000 to $5000 compared to the sub $1000 price on the general media drives. The media cost also is drastically different with Authoring coming in around $15 and General at under $10. From my understanding it would appear that the only difference between the two besides cost is you can't copy movies on to General media. Both should play in almost all DVD-ROM drives abd their life-spans similiar (supposedly rated at 100+ years but as far as I know DVDs haven't been around 100 years so how they know this boggles my mind). Anyone hear anything different than this? --- Len Sorensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Oct 25, 2001 at 09:25:02AM -0700, Brian > Sullivan wrote: > > I have been using the Pioneer S201 DVD-R drive > with > > the cdrecord (pro) software. To date, the drive > and > > the software have performed flawlessly. I am using > the > > drive and cdrecord for the long term archival of > data > > files on my linux servers, I am just making a big > ISO > > file with mkisofs and burning it with cdrecord. As > I > > am just using the DVD-R drive for the storage of a > > normal linux file system I don't need to be using > the > > DVD-R Authoring media which is much more expensive > > than the DVD-R General media (about $15 a disc > > compared to under $10). Since I will be archiving > > literally thousands and thousands of discs the > cost > > savings of switch media is huge. The problem is > that > > the S201 drive only supports Authoring media. > > Pioneer's new DVD-R A03 (~$700) drive supports > General > > media but this is an ATAPI interface drive, not > SCSI > > like the S201. So my idea was to try an IDE to > SCSI > > converter (SCSIDE) on the A03. Has anyone done > this > > successfully with a drive and cdrecord? Does > anyone > > see any potential problems with this solution (or > have > > a different one)? > > I know the ATAPI drive works fine with ide-scsi > drivers in linux. > I believe pioneer has states that a scsi version is > cokming soon (or may > already exist), but most places probably don't carry > the scsi version > (at least not in stock). Of course as you probably > know the A03 can only > wrote to general media, not authoring media, but for > your purposes that > is fine. > > As for the ide/scsi convertor, I have no idea, given > I haven't even > heard of such a device before. > > Len Sorensen > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > __ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Pioneer S201 vs A03
On Thu, Oct 25, 2001 at 11:26:01AM -0700, Brian Sullivan wrote: > As far as General Media goes this what I want. From my > understanding Authoring media is only needed if CCS > encrypted video is to be put on the disc. Since I am > just using the disc for the archival of data files > from linux servers I don't really need Authoring > quality, General should do just fine. Authoring drives > such as the S201 cost around $4000 to $5000 compared > to the sub $1000 price on the general media drives. > The media cost also is drastically different with > Authoring coming in around $15 and General at under > $10. From my understanding it would appear that the > only difference between the two besides cost is you > can't copy movies on to General media. Both should > play in almost all DVD-ROM drives abd their life-spans > similiar (supposedly rated at 100+ years but as far as > I know DVDs haven't been around 100 years so how they > know this boggles my mind). Anyone hear anything > different than this? That certainly matches my understanding. The area on the disc where the CCS data would go, is pre written (not writeable by end user) on general media and DVD-RW media. It is a visible line near the center of the disc. Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Pioneer S201 vs A03
You think that they would wouldn't you? (it does make sense) I am using Pioneer's DRM-7000 jukeboxes for my storage retrieval systems which as you state are all SCSI based. So how they will support their new drives in their jukeboxes is beyond me. I've been emailing Pioneer but they state they don't have any plans for anymore SCSI DVD-R drives in the "near" future. I guess it all depends on what "near" means. I thought I saw a mention of it in a press release by Pioneer's japaneese division but I haven't been able to find it since. If anyone knows more please share. --- Len Sorensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Oct 25, 2001 at 11:16:59AM -0700, Brian > Sullivan wrote: > > I have been looking at two SCSIDE converters, both > are > > around the same price of $100. One is the IDSC21-E > > from IO Data > > > (http://www.iodata.com/products/idsc/idsc21e/IDSC21-E.htm) > > and the other is the ARS-2000UB Bridge Smart from > > ACARD Technologies (http://www.acard.com). The > acard > > product is actually a complete external drive bay > that > > does the conversion while the IO Data product is > just > > an adapter you plug into the back of the drive. > The > > IDE/SCSI software emulation probably won't work > for me > > due to the heavy load I am putting on my IDE hard > > drive and bus. I am afraid if I used it the > failure > > rate of the DVD-R burns would increase > dramatically. > > My load consists during the DVD-R burn consists of > > simultaneously FTPing another 4.7 GB for my next > DVD-R > > disc, creating the 4.7 GB ISO file for the next > burn > > from this FTP'd data as well as creating seven 670 > MB > > ISO files of the same data to burn to CD-R, and of > > course the actual burning of 4.7 GB to DVD-R and > 4.7 > > GB across seven CD-R drives (all SCSI). > Surprinsingly > > this is all running fine just fine on a Dell > Dimension > > 4100 desktop PC with a Quantum Fireball IDE hard > > drive. My failure rate is probable about 1 in 50 > right > > now if not better. Hopefully you can see why I > would > > be hesitant to adding more load the hard drive. > > It might be cheaper to simply get a dedicated ide > ontroller for the HD > (like the cards made by Promise), and use the normal > ide controller for > the DVD. Puts less load on the scsi bus too. > > Not sure. I suspect a native scsi version of the > drive must exist, > since pioneer intends to support it in their CD/DVD > jukebox machines soon, > and the jukeboxes are scsi only. > > Len Sorensen __ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Pioneer S201 vs A03
On Thu, Oct 25, 2001 at 11:16:59AM -0700, Brian Sullivan wrote: > I have been looking at two SCSIDE converters, both are > around the same price of $100. One is the IDSC21-E > from IO Data > (http://www.iodata.com/products/idsc/idsc21e/IDSC21-E.htm) > and the other is the ARS-2000UB Bridge Smart from > ACARD Technologies (http://www.acard.com). The acard > product is actually a complete external drive bay that > does the conversion while the IO Data product is just > an adapter you plug into the back of the drive. The > IDE/SCSI software emulation probably won't work for me > due to the heavy load I am putting on my IDE hard > drive and bus. I am afraid if I used it the failure > rate of the DVD-R burns would increase dramatically. > My load consists during the DVD-R burn consists of > simultaneously FTPing another 4.7 GB for my next DVD-R > disc, creating the 4.7 GB ISO file for the next burn > from this FTP'd data as well as creating seven 670 MB > ISO files of the same data to burn to CD-R, and of > course the actual burning of 4.7 GB to DVD-R and 4.7 > GB across seven CD-R drives (all SCSI). Surprinsingly > this is all running fine just fine on a Dell Dimension > 4100 desktop PC with a Quantum Fireball IDE hard > drive. My failure rate is probable about 1 in 50 right > now if not better. Hopefully you can see why I would > be hesitant to adding more load the hard drive. It might be cheaper to simply get a dedicated ide ontroller for the HD (like the cards made by Promise), and use the normal ide controller for the DVD. Puts less load on the scsi bus too. Not sure. I suspect a native scsi version of the drive must exist, since pioneer intends to support it in their CD/DVD jukebox machines soon, and the jukeboxes are scsi only. Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>The >IDE/SCSI software emulation probably won't work for me >due to the heavy load I am putting on my IDE hard >drive and bus. I don't understand. Are you claiming that there is an unsolved race in ide-scsi.c? Can you point me to the bug reports describing this problem? Thanks. Adam J. Richter __ __ 4880 Stevens Creek Blvd, Suite 104 [EMAIL PROTECTED] \ / San Jose, California 95129-1034 +1 408 261-6630 | g g d r a s i l United States of America fax +1 408 261-6631 "Free Software For The Rest Of Us." -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>From: "Adam J. Richter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>The >>IDE/SCSI software emulation probably won't work for me >>due to the heavy load I am putting on my IDE hard >>drive and bus. > I don't understand. Are you claiming that there is >an unsolved race in ide-scsi.c? Can you point me to the >bug reports describing this problem? Thanks. Regardless of the OS, you should not have the writer on the same cable ad the HD, Read README.ATAPI. Jörg EMail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] (uni) If you don't have iso-8859-1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (work) chars I am J"org Schilling URL: http://www.fokus.gmd.de/usr/schilling ftp://ftp.fokus.gmd.de/pub/unix -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Pioneer S201 vs A03
Thats not what I am claiming. I am just stating that since the IDE bus and hard drive is under such a heavy usage already that adding an extra 4.7 GB of throughput to another IDE device on the bus could possibly result in an increase in buffer underrun errors. I am afraid the bus would get so busy that buffers would empty out on the burns and result in error. --- "Adam J. Richter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >The > >IDE/SCSI software emulation probably won't work for > me > >due to the heavy load I am putting on my IDE hard > >drive and bus. > > I don't understand. Are you claiming that there is > an unsolved race in ide-scsi.c? Can you point me to > the > bug reports describing this problem? Thanks. > > Adam J. Richter __ __ 4880 > Stevens Creek Blvd, Suite 104 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] \ / San > Jose, California 95129-1034 > +1 408 261-6630 | g g d r a s i l United > States of America > fax +1 408 261-6631 "Free Software For The Rest > Of Us." > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > __ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Pioneer S201 vs A03
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So put the DVD-R on another IDE bus like someone suggested earlier.
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Re: Pioneer S201 vs A03
On Thu, Oct 25, 2001 at 03:12:57PM -0700, Brian Sullivan wrote: > Thats not what I am claiming. I am just stating that > since the IDE bus and hard drive is under such a heavy > usage already that adding an extra 4.7 GB of > throughput to another IDE device on the bus could > possibly result in an increase in buffer underrun > errors. I am afraid the bus would get so busy that > buffers would empty out on the burns and result in > error. Almost all systems have two ide busses, so the HD could use one and the dvd burner could use the other. Although in my experience with the A03 so far, you must enable DMA on the drive, and the system should not have too much load while trying to burn the DVD. A P2 400 did not manage while running too much other stuff, but if I was runnig a more sensible system load it would probably have been OK. If you create other iso's at the same time, more cpu would certainly be needed. Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Pioneer S201 vs A03
Brian Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have been using the Pioneer S201 DVD-R drive with > the cdrecord (pro) software. To date, the drive and > the software have performed flawlessly. I am using the > drive and cdrecord for the long term archival of data > files on my linux servers, I am just making a big ISO > file with mkisofs and burning it with cdrecord. As I > am just using the DVD-R drive for the storage of a > normal linux file system I don't need to be using the > DVD-R Authoring media which is much more expensive > than the DVD-R General media (about $15 a disc > compared to under $10). Since I will be archiving > literally thousands and thousands of discs the cost > savings of switch media is huge. The problem is that > the S201 drive only supports Authoring media. > Pioneer's new DVD-R A03 (~$700) drive supports General > media but this is an ATAPI interface drive, not SCSI > like the S201. So my idea was to try an IDE to SCSI > converter (SCSIDE) on the A03. Has anyone done this > successfully with a drive and cdrecord? Does anyone > see any potential problems with this solution (or have > a different one)? I see no particular joy to using SCSI for this unless you are out of IDE controllers and slots for Promise or similar supported additional controllers. The IDE burning seems to work nicely, and unless you have a real need to go SCSI you probably would do as well to use ATAPI and the available (and probably cheaper) version of the drive. I burn a lot of backup CDs and after running SCSI for a few years I stopped looking for a reason to avoid ATAPI, because the ATAPI systems worked fine. If you want to run many drives at once, lack ATAPI hardware, or use cheap media and worry a lot about correct error reporting, then SCSI is the way to go. If you just burn a lot of quality media and care enough to check the media after you burn, I would be very surprised to see any more bad results with one bus or the other. For most people there is no difference in the end result, and that's the major issue for most of us. There was a time when burners were made in different models for ATAPI and SCSI; most vendors now have one burner with different interface electronics. And finally, I would not add one more potential problem area to the backup chain. If you had problems you would never know if they might be in the bus adaptor. Go ATAPI or SCSI, but I would not use any relatively exotic hardware in my backup chain. -- -bill davidsen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) "The secret to procrastination is to put things off until the last possible moment - but no longer" -me -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Davidsen) >I see no particular joy to using SCSI for this unless you are out of IDE >controllers and slots for Promise or similar supported additional >controllers. The IDE burning seems to work nicely, and unless you have a >real need to go SCSI you probably would do as well to use ATAPI and the >available (and probably cheaper) version of the drive. Ever tried to use an ATAPI drive inside a big jukebox? Jörg EMail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] (uni) If you don't have iso-8859-1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (work) chars I am J"org Schilling URL: http://www.fokus.gmd.de/usr/schilling ftp://ftp.fokus.gmd.de/pub/unix -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Once again I appreciate everyone's input. I agree ATAPI can be used for certain scenarios and it can work well. Since in the future I will be burning discs with some sort of medium changer (jukebox) and I will be burning multiple DVD-Rs simultaneously (via multiple drives) IDE is just not a solution that will provide for my future growth (though based on people's input it could be a short term solution). In addition, with ATAPI I don't know of anyway to get the drive external from the actual PC. As I stated earlier I have valid concerns about temperature and vibration from the PC. Are those of you using the Pioneer A03 with IDE at least happy with it? Does it seem like a solid drive? --- Joerg Schilling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Davidsen) > > >I see no particular joy to using SCSI for this > unless you are out of IDE > >controllers and slots for Promise or similar > supported additional > >controllers. The IDE burning seems to work nicely, > and unless you have a > >real need to go SCSI you probably would do as well > to use ATAPI and the > >available (and probably cheaper) version of the > drive. > > Ever tried to use an ATAPI drive inside a big > jukebox? > > Jörg > > EMail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) Jörg > Schilling D-13353 Berlin >[EMAIL PROTECTED] (uni) If you don't have > iso-8859-1 >[EMAIL PROTECTED] (work) chars I am > J"org Schilling > URL: http://www.fokus.gmd.de/usr/schilling > ftp://ftp.fokus.gmd.de/pub/unix > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > __ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>From: Matthias Schniedermeyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> In addition, with ATAPI I don't know of anyway to get >> the drive external from the actual PC. As I stated >> earlier I have valid concerns about temperature and >> vibration from the PC. >> >> Are those of you using the Pioneer A03 with IDE at >> least happy with it? Does it seem like a solid drive? >Firewire is the best invention since chopped bread. >I have a Pioneer DVR-A03 build into a external 5,1/4" Firewire Case. >Works flawlessly even with Linux. Solaris currently only supports video cameras over FireWire. I just tested a SCSI adapter with the A03 but it unfortunately does not disconnect/reconnect. In general the quality of the adapters is bad. Maybe this is the reason why Yamaha has special firmware in the adapter they sell to limit use wo Yahama drives. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Pioneer S201 vs A03
> >> In addition, with ATAPI I don't know of anyway to get > >> the drive external from the actual PC. As I stated > >> earlier I have valid concerns about temperature and > >> vibration from the PC. > >> > >> Are those of you using the Pioneer A03 with IDE at > >> least happy with it? Does it seem like a solid drive? > > >Firewire is the best invention since chopped bread. > > >I have a Pioneer DVR-A03 build into a external 5,1/4" Firewire Case. > >Works flawlessly even with Linux. > > I just tested a SCSI adapter with the A03 but it unfortunately > does not disconnect/reconnect. > In general the quality of the adapters is bad. Maybe this > is the reason why Yamaha has special firmware in the adapter they > sell to limit use wo Yahama drives. Thats the reason why i prefer dedicated SCSI-Channels. e.g. I used a dedicated (5 Channel)-Fast-SCSI-RAID-Controller when i used 4 Teac-CDR-58S for burning CDRs. (In total Linux showed 10 SCSI-Channels) Then even Solaris should't have any problems with disconnect/reconnect incapable devices. > Solaris currently only supports video cameras over FireWire. You should urge the Solaris-Firewire-People to implement SBP-2. Then the whole range of Mass-Storage devices is suddenly usable, as all devices (i know) use SBP-2 (Serial BackPack Protocol 2 = SCSI over Firewire) Bis denn -- Real Programmers consider "what you see is what you get" to be just as bad a concept in Text Editors as it is in women. No, the Real Programmer wants a "you asked for it, you got it" text editor -- complicated, cryptic, powerful, unforgiving, dangerous. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Pioneer S201 vs A03
What adapter did you use with the A03? --- Joerg Schilling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >From: Matthias Schniedermeyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> In addition, with ATAPI I don't know of anyway to > get > >> the drive external from the actual PC. As I > stated > >> earlier I have valid concerns about temperature > and > >> vibration from the PC. > >> > >> Are those of you using the Pioneer A03 with IDE > at > >> least happy with it? Does it seem like a solid > drive? > > >Firewire is the best invention since chopped bread. > > >I have a Pioneer DVR-A03 build into a external > 5,1/4" Firewire Case. > >Works flawlessly even with Linux. > > Solaris currently only supports video cameras over > FireWire. > > I just tested a SCSI adapter with the A03 but it > unfortunately > does not disconnect/reconnect. > In general the quality of the adapters is bad. Maybe > this > is the reason why Yamaha has special firmware in the > adapter they > sell to limit use wo Yahama drives. > __ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Pioneer S201 vs A03
>From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Oct 30 22:18:45 2001 >What adapter did you use with the A03? I don't know, I have to check, but I got it from ESO for DVD archive project. Jörg EMail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] (uni) If you don't have iso-8859-1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (work) chars I am J"org Schilling URL: http://www.fokus.gmd.de/usr/schilling ftp://ftp.fokus.gmd.de/pub/unix -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Pioneer S201 vs A03
>From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Oct 30 22:18:45 2001 >What adapter did you use with the A03? I just checked the Adapter it is a: ACARD TECH AEC-7720U Please note that this adapter does not support disconnect/reconnect! In a few minutes, there will be a cdrecord-1.11a10 ProDVD binary available at ftp://ftp.fokus.gmd.de/pub/unix/cdrecord/ProDVD/ ... that includes the needed workarounds for the firmware bugs of this adapter (among other clean ups...). Jörg EMail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] (uni) If you don't have iso-8859-1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (work) chars I am J"org Schilling URL: http://www.fokus.gmd.de/usr/schilling ftp://ftp.fokus.gmd.de/pub/unix -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
