Re: Democrats set to lose the senate
Your final paragraph couldn't be further from the truth. On Sep 9, 2014 11:57 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: That's the nature of America, Maureen. People aren't guaranteed success in the country; only the right to try for it. I have more compassion than you'll ever know, but it's rightly placed compassion. I don't know of a single child who has starved to death in this country? Do you? Can you name one or point me to a reference? Pointless wars to you, perhaps. But you're still here only because so many have sacrificed their lives to keep you free. Show some gratitude. And you can't get beyond the propaganda of those who feed you your daily dose of unreality. I listen to very little commentary on the news. I get the facts and make up my own mind, unlike you apparently. Think for yourself and stop listening to others. Use your own mind and brain. And children most often suffer because of their sorry parents, if they have both, which way too many don't, or even none. Keep my soul in a bank vault. What in the world does that mean? I don't defend corruption and evil by anyone; rich or poor, black or white, or any other group. You just think you know me. You don't know anything about me except what your small mind can assume based on a few minutes of reading what I've written. You seem (however, I draw no hard conclusions from the few minutes of reading your writing) like a bleeding-heart liberal who thinks everyone who suffers is a victim of someone else. Most people are the victim of their own choices. And I'm certainly not rich or even close, but I believe people have a right to keep the money they earn. Income tax should be abolished and a consumption tax put in it's place. Everyone should pay. And, by the way, the rich are paying the way for almost everyone in this country. You're just sad, Maureen. You and Obama would make a nice couple. Neither one of you has a clue as to what's really going on in this world. On 9/9/2014 8:55 PM, Maureen wrote: You can't protect a nation by allowing the citizens of that nation to suffer. You can't protect a nation by taking the hard earned dollars of the working class and giving it to rich and their corporate minions. You can't protect a nation by letting children starve while you enrich the weapons industry with pointless wars. You are only interested in the welfare of the nation when it enriches those whose propaganda you believe and you are unwilling to consider compassion or help to anyone those propagandists have denigrated. Keep your soul, if you have one, in a bank vault. As long as people like those you support are in charge, it might be safe there, and you certainly appear to have no use for it in the real world. On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 8:21 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: You don't understand general vs individual welfare, Maureen. The Federal governments job is to protect the nation as a whole, not every individual that makes up the nation. Scout was right. It is not the job of the Federal government to provide people with food to eat, clothes to wear, and a roof over their heads. After decades of a failed social experiment of rampant welfare, we, as a nation, are seeing the results of handing out money to people too lazy to earn it. If nothing else, people can clean up the streets, mow grass along the side of the highways and do other honorable work to earn their keep. If they don't like these types of jobs, then find something better. It's time people got off their lazy behinds (those that are abusing the system) and earn their keep instead of having it handed to them without cost. I can find plenty of work for people to do. Put me in charge of the US Labor Department and some things will get done. On 9/9/2014 7:25 PM, Maureen wrote: Of course it is. Remember that clause that says provide for the general welfare. Plus the fact that money spent on care and food for the elderly and impoverished goes right back into the economy. The war of poverty has been one of the more successful government programs in terms of raising the standard of living and education in the US. Even if all the government does is work with business to raise the standard of living and income, it matters. Much more so than providing weapons and aid to foreign governments that ends up in the hands of those who become our enemies. I say again: priorities. Tax dollars should not only be spent on the rich. On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 7:07 PM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote: That's not the government's job or concern. On Sep 9, 2014 6:51 PM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote: Allowing people to just survive doesn't help them escape poverty. What actually seems to make a difference is giving them money to lift them out of poverty.
Re: Democrats set to lose the senate
LOL. He's just following standard disinformation techniques. Can't challenge the message so he attacks the messenger. Then just to make sure he is in compliance with his overlords, adds liberal and Obama to the insults. Oooh..thinking a man shouldn't hit a woman in the face makes me a liberal. Wonder which talking head he got that quote from. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 1:39 AM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote: Your final paragraph couldn't be further from the truth. You're just sad, Maureen. You and Obama would make a nice couple. Neither one of you has a clue as to what's really going on in this world. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372327 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Democrats set to lose the senate
I've heard similar arguments from what I consider to be radical feminists, but I've always thought of you as more a realist than anything. On Sep 10, 2014 2:43 AM, Maureen mamamaur...@gmail.com wrote: LOL. He's just following standard disinformation techniques. Can't challenge the message so he attacks the messenger. Then just to make sure he is in compliance with his overlords, adds liberal and Obama to the insults. Oooh..thinking a man shouldn't hit a woman in the face makes me a liberal. Wonder which talking head he got that quote from. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 1:39 AM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote: Your final paragraph couldn't be further from the truth. You're just sad, Maureen. You and Obama would make a nice couple. Neither one of you has a clue as to what's really going on in this world. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372328 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Democrats set to lose the senate
My familiarity with spousal abuse includes 19 trips to the hospital and having almost every bone in my face broken. I have absolutely no tolerance for it and no respect for anyone who does. I'm not sure what that makes me - radical, liberal, or just very pissed off at people who abuse each other - of any gender. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 3:07 AM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote: I've heard similar arguments from what I consider to be radical feminists, but I've always thought of you as more a realist than anything. On Sep 10, 2014 2:43 AM, Maureen mamamaur...@gmail.com wrote: LOL. He's just following standard disinformation techniques. Can't challenge the message so he attacks the messenger. Then just to make sure he is in compliance with his overlords, adds liberal and Obama to the insults. Oooh..thinking a man shouldn't hit a woman in the face makes me a liberal. Wonder which talking head he got that quote from. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 1:39 AM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote: Your final paragraph couldn't be further from the truth. You're just sad, Maureen. You and Obama would make a nice couple. Neither one of you has a clue as to what's really going on in this world. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372329 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Democrats set to lose the senate
Word On Sep 10, 2014 6:04 AM, Maureen mamamaur...@gmail.com wrote: My familiarity with spousal abuse includes 19 trips to the hospital and having almost every bone in my face broken. I have absolutely no tolerance for it and no respect for anyone who does. I'm not sure what that makes me - radical, liberal, or just very pissed off at people who abuse each other - of any gender. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 3:07 AM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote: I've heard similar arguments from what I consider to be radical feminists, but I've always thought of you as more a realist than anything. On Sep 10, 2014 2:43 AM, Maureen mamamaur...@gmail.com wrote: LOL. He's just following standard disinformation techniques. Can't challenge the message so he attacks the messenger. Then just to make sure he is in compliance with his overlords, adds liberal and Obama to the insults. Oooh..thinking a man shouldn't hit a woman in the face makes me a liberal. Wonder which talking head he got that quote from. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 1:39 AM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote: Your final paragraph couldn't be further from the truth. You're just sad, Maureen. You and Obama would make a nice couple. Neither one of you has a clue as to what's really going on in this world. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372330 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Democrats set to lose the senate
On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 6:04 AM, Maureen mamamaur...@gmail.com wrote: My familiarity with spousal abuse includes 19 trips to the hospital and having almost every bone in my face broken. I have absolutely no tolerance for it and no respect for anyone who does. I'm not sure what that makes me - radical, liberal, or just very pissed off at people who abuse each other - of any gender. It makes you human, Mo. it makes you human. -- Scott Stroz --- You can make things happen, you can watch things happen or you can wonder what the f*k happened. - Cpt. Phil Harris http://xkcd.com/386/ ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372334 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Democrats set to lose the senate
Now that's going to cause you to have a balanced perspective... On 9/10/2014 6:04 AM, Maureen wrote: My familiarity with spousal abuse includes 19 trips to the hospital and having almost every bone in my face broken. I have absolutely no tolerance for it and no respect for anyone who does. I'm not sure what that makes me - radical, liberal, or just very pissed off at people who abuse each other - of any gender. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 3:07 AM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote: I've heard similar arguments from what I consider to be radical feminists, but I've always thought of you as more a realist than anything. On Sep 10, 2014 2:43 AM, Maureen mamamaur...@gmail.com wrote: LOL. He's just following standard disinformation techniques. Can't challenge the message so he attacks the messenger. Then just to make sure he is in compliance with his overlords, adds liberal and Obama to the insults. Oooh..thinking a man shouldn't hit a woman in the face makes me a liberal. Wonder which talking head he got that quote from. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 1:39 AM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote: Your final paragraph couldn't be further from the truth. You're just sad, Maureen. You and Obama would make a nice couple. Neither one of you has a clue as to what's really going on in this world. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372357 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Democrats set to lose the senate
That's hilarious. Mo, your injuries make it hard for you to be fair and balancedyou know, so you can see and understand this from the attackers point of view! wow. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 8:45 AM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: Now that's going to cause you to have a balanced perspective... On 9/10/2014 6:04 AM, Maureen wrote: My familiarity with spousal abuse includes 19 trips to the hospital and having almost every bone in my face broken. I have absolutely no tolerance for it and no respect for anyone who does. I'm not sure what that makes me - radical, liberal, or just very pissed off at people who abuse each other - of any gender. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 3:07 AM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote: I've heard similar arguments from what I consider to be radical feminists, but I've always thought of you as more a realist than anything. On Sep 10, 2014 2:43 AM, Maureen mamamaur...@gmail.com wrote: LOL. He's just following standard disinformation techniques. Can't challenge the message so he attacks the messenger. Then just to make sure he is in compliance with his overlords, adds liberal and Obama to the insults. Oooh..thinking a man shouldn't hit a woman in the face makes me a liberal. Wonder which talking head he got that quote from. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 1:39 AM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote: Your final paragraph couldn't be further from the truth. You're just sad, Maureen. You and Obama would make a nice couple. Neither one of you has a clue as to what's really going on in this world. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372362 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Democrats set to lose the senate
Jesus, I'd hit you for that if I could On Sep 10, 2014 9:45 AM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: Now that's going to cause you to have a balanced perspective... On 9/10/2014 6:04 AM, Maureen wrote: My familiarity with spousal abuse includes 19 trips to the hospital and having almost every bone in my face broken. I have absolutely no tolerance for it and no respect for anyone who does. I'm not sure what that makes me - radical, liberal, or just very pissed off at people who abuse each other - of any gender. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 3:07 AM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote: I've heard similar arguments from what I consider to be radical feminists, but I've always thought of you as more a realist than anything. On Sep 10, 2014 2:43 AM, Maureen mamamaur...@gmail.com wrote: LOL. He's just following standard disinformation techniques. Can't challenge the message so he attacks the messenger. Then just to make sure he is in compliance with his overlords, adds liberal and Obama to the insults. Oooh..thinking a man shouldn't hit a woman in the face makes me a liberal. Wonder which talking head he got that quote from. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 1:39 AM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote: Your final paragraph couldn't be further from the truth. You're just sad, Maureen. You and Obama would make a nice couple. Neither one of you has a clue as to what's really going on in this world. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372367 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Democrats set to lose the senate
Ask anyone who ever met me here, I would. On Sep 10, 2014 10:22 AM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote: Jesus, I'd hit you for that if I could On Sep 10, 2014 9:45 AM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: Now that's going to cause you to have a balanced perspective... On 9/10/2014 6:04 AM, Maureen wrote: My familiarity with spousal abuse includes 19 trips to the hospital and having almost every bone in my face broken. I have absolutely no tolerance for it and no respect for anyone who does. I'm not sure what that makes me - radical, liberal, or just very pissed off at people who abuse each other - of any gender. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 3:07 AM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote: I've heard similar arguments from what I consider to be radical feminists, but I've always thought of you as more a realist than anything. On Sep 10, 2014 2:43 AM, Maureen mamamaur...@gmail.com wrote: LOL. He's just following standard disinformation techniques. Can't challenge the message so he attacks the messenger. Then just to make sure he is in compliance with his overlords, adds liberal and Obama to the insults. Oooh..thinking a man shouldn't hit a woman in the face makes me a liberal. Wonder which talking head he got that quote from. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 1:39 AM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote: Your final paragraph couldn't be further from the truth. You're just sad, Maureen. You and Obama would make a nice couple. Neither one of you has a clue as to what's really going on in this world. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372368 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Democrats set to lose the senate
What?? If you were accused of Rape (and you are innocent) would you want your Judge to be someone who was gang raped four times? On Sep 10, 2014 10:22 AM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote: Jesus, I'd hit you for that if I could On Sep 10, 2014 9:45 AM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: Now that's going to cause you to have a balanced perspective... ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372370 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Democrats set to lose the senate
HE IS NOT INNOCENT For fuck's sake peoplego watch the video 10 straight times. Watch it with your wife or girlfriend. Talk it over between yourselves for a bit. Gain some perspective. And quit making false analogies. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote: What?? If you were accused of Rape (and you are innocent) would you want your Judge to be someone who was gang raped four times? On Sep 10, 2014 10:22 AM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote: Jesus, I'd hit you for that if I could On Sep 10, 2014 9:45 AM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: Now that's going to cause you to have a balanced perspective... ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372371 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Democrats set to lose the senate
I'm no judge and that was a birch move On Sep 10, 2014 10:32 AM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote: What?? If you were accused of Rape (and you are innocent) would you want your Judge to be someone who was gang raped four times? On Sep 10, 2014 10:22 AM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote: Jesus, I'd hit you for that if I could On Sep 10, 2014 9:45 AM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: Now that's going to cause you to have a balanced perspective... ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372375 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Democrats set to lose the senate
A BITCH move On Sep 10, 2014 10:48 AM, lrssc...@gmail.com wrote: I'm no judge and that was a birch move On Sep 10, 2014 10:32 AM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote: What?? If you were accused of Rape (and you are innocent) would you want your Judge to be someone who was gang raped four times? On Sep 10, 2014 10:22 AM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote: Jesus, I'd hit you for that if I could On Sep 10, 2014 9:45 AM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: Now that's going to cause you to have a balanced perspective... ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372377 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Democrats set to lose the senate
I hurt and kill people it's kind of what I do. On Sep 10, 2014 10:39 AM, GMoney gm0n3...@gmail.com wrote: HE IS NOT INNOCENT For fuck's sake peoplego watch the video 10 straight times. Watch it with your wife or girlfriend. Talk it over between yourselves for a bit. Gain some perspective. And quit making false analogies. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote: What?? If you were accused of Rape (and you are innocent) would you want your Judge to be someone who was gang raped four times? On Sep 10, 2014 10:22 AM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote: Jesus, I'd hit you for that if I could On Sep 10, 2014 9:45 AM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: Now that's going to cause you to have a balanced perspective... ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372380 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Democrats set to lose the senate
Are you saying that people who have been raped are incapable of viewing other rape cases objectively? On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 10:31 AM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote: What?? If you were accused of Rape (and you are innocent) would you want your Judge to be someone who was gang raped four times? On Sep 10, 2014 10:22 AM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote: Jesus, I'd hit you for that if I could On Sep 10, 2014 9:45 AM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: Now that's going to cause you to have a balanced perspective... ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372381 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Democrats set to lose the senate
It was a very simple question. Let's make it even simpler. You are a Lawyer reviewing a Jury. Your client is accused of rape, and he is innocent. Do you allow the woman who was gang raped four times to be on your Jury? I mean..let's make it REALLY simple. Can you answer that? On 10 September 2014 10:55, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote: Are you saying that people who have been raped are incapable of viewing other rape cases objectively? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372385 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Democrats set to lose the senate
So, now it is a jury member and not a judge? I am not a lawyer. I have never been a lawyer. I have never spoken with lawyers about the nuances of jury selection. I have never served on a jury. I have never discussed with anyone who has served on a jury what the selection process was like. I will likely never be part of a jury selection process, So, no, I cannot answer that question. Can you answer my question?. Are you implying that a rape victim is incapable of being objective about other rape cases? On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 11:13 AM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote: It was a very simple question. Let's make it even simpler. You are a Lawyer reviewing a Jury. Your client is accused of rape, and he is innocent. Do you allow the woman who was gang raped four times to be on your Jury? I mean..let's make it REALLY simple. Can you answer that? On 10 September 2014 10:55, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote: Are you saying that people who have been raped are incapable of viewing other rape cases objectively? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372388 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Democrats set to lose the senate
You don't need to be a lawyer to answer the question. It's a logical one, and not answering is simply prevarication. But let us play that game, and make it even simpler until your only response other than to answer truthfully, would be to refuse to answer. If YOU were accused of rape, and you are innocent. You have been wrongly accused. Would you want a member of that Jury to be a woman who had been gang raped more than once? I would not, to answer the question myself. Would you? On 10 September 2014 11:37, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote: So, now it is a jury member and not a judge? I am not a lawyer. I have never been a lawyer. I have never spoken with lawyers about the nuances of jury selection. I have never served on a jury. I have never discussed with anyone who has served on a jury what the selection process was like. I will likely never be part of a jury selection process, So, no, I cannot answer that question. Can you answer my question?. Are you implying that a rape victim is incapable of being objective about other rape cases? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372393 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Democrats set to lose the senate
I cannot say, with any confidence, how I would/act feel in that situation - nor would that decision actually be in my hands - that is what lawyers are for. Would that information even be available to the lawyers? (Asking out of ignorance as, as I stated, I have never been privy to the nuances of jury selection) You answered your question as if it was directed at you, but you did not answer mine. So you feel that rape victims are incapable of objectively viewing other rapes cases? On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 12:03 PM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote: You don't need to be a lawyer to answer the question. It's a logical one, and not answering is simply prevarication. But let us play that game, and make it even simpler until your only response other than to answer truthfully, would be to refuse to answer. If YOU were accused of rape, and you are innocent. You have been wrongly accused. Would you want a member of that Jury to be a woman who had been gang raped more than once? I would not, to answer the question myself. Would you? On 10 September 2014 11:37, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote: So, now it is a jury member and not a judge? I am not a lawyer. I have never been a lawyer. I have never spoken with lawyers about the nuances of jury selection. I have never served on a jury. I have never discussed with anyone who has served on a jury what the selection process was like. I will likely never be part of a jury selection process, So, no, I cannot answer that question. Can you answer my question?. Are you implying that a rape victim is incapable of being objective about other rape cases? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372397 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Democrats set to lose the senate
Gel, i was once dismissed from a jury by the Prosecutor because I answered a question of his that indicated that I understood that *all* persons accused of a crime are considered *innocent* until proven guilty. Whether or not I had been ticketed, arrested, guilty of some infraction, etc. was immaterial to the lawyers line of questioning. Additionally, yes, a Defense attorney *might* try to have a multiply-vicitmized person removed from a jury, but, OTOH might want to keep that person on the jury in order to claim mistrial at a later time. courtroom strategy is a tough call. Prosecution might want a person who was raped multiple times off a jury for exactly the same reason (possibility of mistrial). But to suggest that a person cannot be objective after a given trauma is ludicrous. Sorry, it just is. Ever been in a car accident where someone collided with you? Could you sit on a jury for a vehicular manslaughter charge? Ever had your wallet/watch/phone stolen? Could you sit on a jury for a pickpocket/burglar/petty larceny case? Ever fallen/tripped? Could you sit on a jury for a personal injury case involving wet floors in a publicly accessible space? Ever accidentally shocked yourself doing home electrical repairs? Could you sit on a workplace safety trial that involved high voltage and proper tagging? In case you're wondering, these are all cases from my own experience as a jurist, and the answer to the above 8 questions it yes. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 9:03 AM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote: You don't need to be a lawyer to answer the question. It's a logical one, and not answering is simply prevarication. But let us play that game, and make it even simpler until your only response other than to answer truthfully, would be to refuse to answer. If YOU were accused of rape, and you are innocent. You have been wrongly accused. Would you want a member of that Jury to be a woman who had been gang raped more than once? I would not, to answer the question myself. Would you? On 10 September 2014 11:37, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote: So, now it is a jury member and not a judge? I am not a lawyer. I have never been a lawyer. I have never spoken with lawyers about the nuances of jury selection. I have never served on a jury. I have never discussed with anyone who has served on a jury what the selection process was like. I will likely never be part of a jury selection process, So, no, I cannot answer that question. Can you answer my question?. Are you implying that a rape victim is incapable of being objective about other rape cases? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372398 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
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It was hypothetical, but forget it. You will continue to avoid answering regardless of how the situation is posed, or how it is asked. In other words, as far as you are concerned, a person's past experience and background have no impact on their objectivity about an event similar to one they were exposed to. Which I find a bit amusing given that the latest thing in the US is sanitizing and censoring things that may contain Triggers to past traumas in people's lives. Something so deeply traumatic will leave scars, and the average human being will never be as objective as the average person who did not go through that experience. How much time has passed will also play a factor, as well as a host of other things. However, Average person who was, compared to Average person who was not? No. I don't even have to preface this with saying I am not a psychologist. On 10 September 2014 12:15, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote: So you feel that rape victims are incapable of objectively viewing other rapes cases? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372399 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Democrats set to lose the senate
Gel, None of this matters, in a US Court regardless of whether or not she hit him first these questions will be asked. 1) was he in mortal danger at the time. IMO from the video, no 2) Did he use an appropriate amount of force in defending himself. IMO, from the video, no he didn't he is strong enough to restrain her without the amount of physical damage, IE knocking her out ,inflicted. He could have gotten out at the next floor, removing himself from the situation. IMO, He would be guilty of assault based on the extreme response to being slapped. He could have easily killed her with the amount of force applied behind that punch. This would apply to male or female given the size difference. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 11:13 AM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote: It was a very simple question. Let's make it even simpler. You are a Lawyer reviewing a Jury. Your client is accused of rape, and he is innocent. Do you allow the woman who was gang raped four times to be on your Jury? I mean..let's make it REALLY simple. Can you answer that? On 10 September 2014 10:55, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote: Are you saying that people who have been raped are incapable of viewing other rape cases objectively? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372405 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
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Nor did I claim to have one. He hit her in the face with his fist. Nothing makes that right. And you have openly stated you would do the same, which makes you no better than him. I've met hundreds of bullies like you over the years working with abuse victims. Your attitude is that the victim deserved it, and you are entitled to give it to her. I suspect you either do or at least try to intimidate the people you encounter, but you don't intimidate me. I would recommend you get some some anger therapist, but narcissists like you will never admit to be anything but perfect, so I won't bother. Of course, you could just be a virtual bully, shooting off your mouth in email but just being a timid little worm in real life. That's the vibe I get. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 9:45 AM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: Now that's going to cause you to have a balanced perspective... ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372406 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Democrats set to lose the senate
You have been on a jury 8 times? That is cool. I served on a grand jury once. That was fascinating. A part of the justice system few get to see. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 12:24 PM, William Bowen william.bo...@gmail.com wrote: Gel, i was once dismissed from a jury by the Prosecutor because I answered a question of his that indicated that I understood that *all* persons accused of a crime are considered *innocent* until proven guilty. Whether or not I had been ticketed, arrested, guilty of some infraction, etc. was immaterial to the lawyers line of questioning. Additionally, yes, a Defense attorney *might* try to have a multiply-vicitmized person removed from a jury, but, OTOH might want to keep that person on the jury in order to claim mistrial at a later time. courtroom strategy is a tough call. Prosecution might want a person who was raped multiple times off a jury for exactly the same reason (possibility of mistrial). But to suggest that a person cannot be objective after a given trauma is ludicrous. Sorry, it just is. Ever been in a car accident where someone collided with you? Could you sit on a jury for a vehicular manslaughter charge? Ever had your wallet/watch/phone stolen? Could you sit on a jury for a pickpocket/burglar/petty larceny case? Ever fallen/tripped? Could you sit on a jury for a personal injury case involving wet floors in a publicly accessible space? Ever accidentally shocked yourself doing home electrical repairs? Could you sit on a workplace safety trial that involved high voltage and proper tagging? In case you're wondering, these are all cases from my own experience as a jurist, and the answer to the above 8 questions it yes. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 9:03 AM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote: You don't need to be a lawyer to answer the question. It's a logical one, and not answering is simply prevarication. But let us play that game, and make it even simpler until your only response other than to answer truthfully, would be to refuse to answer. If YOU were accused of rape, and you are innocent. You have been wrongly accused. Would you want a member of that Jury to be a woman who had been gang raped more than once? I would not, to answer the question myself. Would you? On 10 September 2014 11:37, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote: So, now it is a jury member and not a judge? I am not a lawyer. I have never been a lawyer. I have never spoken with lawyers about the nuances of jury selection. I have never served on a jury. I have never discussed with anyone who has served on a jury what the selection process was like. I will likely never be part of a jury selection process, So, no, I cannot answer that question. Can you answer my question?. Are you implying that a rape victim is incapable of being objective about other rape cases? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372410 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
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And I agree with you on that. However the notion of restraint? I think the only course of action there is to block and run. Anything else could result in damage. Especially if she is drunk. On 10 September 2014 12:33, Scott Stewart webmas...@sstwebworks.com wrote: Gel, None of this matters, in a US Court regardless of whether or not she hit him first these questions will be asked. 1) was he in mortal danger at the time. IMO from the video, no 2) Did he use an appropriate amount of force in defending himself. IMO, from the video, no he didn't he is strong enough to restrain her without the amount of physical damage, IE knocking her out ,inflicted. He could have gotten out at the next floor, removing himself from the situation. IMO, He would be guilty of assault based on the extreme response to being slapped. He could have easily killed her with the amount of force applied behind that punch. This would apply to male or female given the size difference. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372412 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Democrats set to lose the senate
Block and run, that's exactly what he should've done there was no way she was going to hurt him On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote: And I agree with you on that. However the notion of restraint? I think the only course of action there is to block and run. Anything else could result in damage. Especially if she is drunk. On 10 September 2014 12:33, Scott Stewart webmas...@sstwebworks.com wrote: Gel, None of this matters, in a US Court regardless of whether or not she hit him first these questions will be asked. 1) was he in mortal danger at the time. IMO from the video, no 2) Did he use an appropriate amount of force in defending himself. IMO, from the video, no he didn't he is strong enough to restrain her without the amount of physical damage, IE knocking her out ,inflicted. He could have gotten out at the next floor, removing himself from the situation. IMO, He would be guilty of assault based on the extreme response to being slapped. He could have easily killed her with the amount of force applied behind that punch. This would apply to male or female given the size difference. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372413 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Democrats set to lose the senate
Heck. He hits HIMSELF harder than that just to get psyched before a play. This guy gets hit for a living. My feelings are thus: A man should never punch a woman. Period. He shouldn't molest children. He shouldn't steal money. He shouldn't kick puppies. He shouldn't shoot people in a bar. And he shouldn't punch a woman. And if he does he has violated an inviolate man-rule. And will be shunned. It really at this point has nothing to do with her, and everything to do with him putting himself on the other side of the acceptable behavior line by his actions. Not everyone may agree with that line but we are seeing most people do. So he needs to suck it. He has put himself outside societal norms. There is a path back but he is going to have to work on it. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372414 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Democrats set to lose the senate
Agreed, and I think this is where a lot of the push back is coming from. Many of us,myself included were raised to never strike a woman, for any reason. To do so would be considered cowardly. Don't hit women, don't abuse kids, don't abuse animals, do unto others that was the mantra from my parents. When I was training in Taekwondo, if I had done to someone what Ray Rice did to his fiancee, my Master instructor and Grand Master would have beaten me half to death themselves. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 1:14 PM, Jerry Milo Johnson jmi...@gmail.com wrote: Heck. He hits HIMSELF harder than that just to get psyched before a play. This guy gets hit for a living. My feelings are thus: A man should never punch a woman. Period. He shouldn't molest children. He shouldn't steal money. He shouldn't kick puppies. He shouldn't shoot people in a bar. And he shouldn't punch a woman. And if he does he has violated an inviolate man-rule. And will be shunned. It really at this point has nothing to do with her, and everything to do with him putting himself on the other side of the acceptable behavior line by his actions. Not everyone may agree with that line but we are seeing most people do. So he needs to suck it. He has put himself outside societal norms. There is a path back but he is going to have to work on it. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372420 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Democrats set to lose the senate
Well, called for 6, served on 4, rejected during selection on 2. It's a pretty cool process, sometimes tedious and time consuming, but never boring. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 9:50 AM, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote: You have been on a jury 8 times? That is cool. I served on a grand jury once. That was fascinating. A part of the justice system few get to see. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 12:24 PM, William Bowen william.bo...@gmail.com wrote: Gel, i was once dismissed from a jury by the Prosecutor because I answered a question of his that indicated that I understood that *all* persons accused of a crime are considered *innocent* until proven guilty. Whether or not I had been ticketed, arrested, guilty of some infraction, etc. was immaterial to the lawyers line of questioning. Additionally, yes, a Defense attorney *might* try to have a multiply-vicitmized person removed from a jury, but, OTOH might want to keep that person on the jury in order to claim mistrial at a later time. courtroom strategy is a tough call. Prosecution might want a person who was raped multiple times off a jury for exactly the same reason (possibility of mistrial). But to suggest that a person cannot be objective after a given trauma is ludicrous. Sorry, it just is. Ever been in a car accident where someone collided with you? Could you sit on a jury for a vehicular manslaughter charge? Ever had your wallet/watch/phone stolen? Could you sit on a jury for a pickpocket/burglar/petty larceny case? Ever fallen/tripped? Could you sit on a jury for a personal injury case involving wet floors in a publicly accessible space? Ever accidentally shocked yourself doing home electrical repairs? Could you sit on a workplace safety trial that involved high voltage and proper tagging? In case you're wondering, these are all cases from my own experience as a jurist, and the answer to the above 8 questions it yes. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 9:03 AM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote: You don't need to be a lawyer to answer the question. It's a logical one, and not answering is simply prevarication. But let us play that game, and make it even simpler until your only response other than to answer truthfully, would be to refuse to answer. If YOU were accused of rape, and you are innocent. You have been wrongly accused. Would you want a member of that Jury to be a woman who had been gang raped more than once? I would not, to answer the question myself. Would you? On 10 September 2014 11:37, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote: So, now it is a jury member and not a judge? I am not a lawyer. I have never been a lawyer. I have never spoken with lawyers about the nuances of jury selection. I have never served on a jury. I have never discussed with anyone who has served on a jury what the selection process was like. I will likely never be part of a jury selection process, So, no, I cannot answer that question. Can you answer my question?. Are you implying that a rape victim is incapable of being objective about other rape cases? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372424 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Democrats set to lose the senate
Your attitude is that the victim deserved it... You are so wrong, Maureen. I just pointed out what any reasonable person would. But whatever gets you through every day, Maureen. You'll obviously believe whatever you choose; truth or not. On 9/10/2014 12:36 PM, Maureen wrote: Your attitude is that the victim deserved it ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372425 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
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On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 3:48 PM, Scott Stewart webmas...@sstwebworks.com wrote: Rick there are plenty of reasonable people on this list and I don't think any of them agree with you. The unreasonable ones don't agree with him either. -- Scott Stroz --- You can make things happen, you can watch things happen or you can wonder what the f*k happened. - Cpt. Phil Harris http://xkcd.com/386/ ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372429 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Democrats set to lose the senate
I agree, Scott, that no civilized man would hit her. I wouldn't have. But, it's important to note, for the safety of all females, that all men aren't civilized and some of them will kill just because of a verbal insult. I try to teach the women (and men) in my life to be careful about what you say and do. You never know how someone will respond. Not knowing the nature of their relationship and of any possible long-term mental and physical abuse towards Ray on her part, it would be hard for me to ever believe she deserved to be hit in the face with a man's fist. But a smart woman doesn't put herself in that kind of jeopardy with irresponsible behavior, either. And the same goes for a smart man. On 9/10/2014 3:48 PM, Scott Stewart wrote: Rick there are plenty of reasonable people on this list and I don't think any of them agree with you. Whether it was your intent or not, when you make statements like She shouldn't have done it if she didn't want to get punched (that's somewhat of a paraphrase but it hits the point) . It's blaming the victim. Yes she slapped him, he may have said something that he deserved to get slapped for, but in no way did she deserve the level and viciousness of retaliation that she got. He could have easily killed her. A real man would have walked away. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 3:39 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: Your attitude is that the victim deserved it... You are so wrong, Maureen. I just pointed out what any reasonable person would. But whatever gets you through every day, Maureen. You'll obviously believe whatever you choose; truth or not. On 9/10/2014 12:36 PM, Maureen wrote: Your attitude is that the victim deserved it ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372433 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
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I try to teach the women (and men) in my life to be careful about what you say and do. Maybe you should take your own advice. Do you recall saying this: 'PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY! She shouldn't have started it and Ray should have ended it in the way he did.' -- Scott Stroz --- You can make things happen, you can watch things happen or you can wonder what the f*k happened. - Cpt. Phil Harris http://xkcd.com/386/ ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372450 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
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If you're referring to my typo, you're right Scott! On 9/10/2014 4:22 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: I try to teach the women (and men) in my life to be careful about what you say and do. Maybe you should take your own advice. Do you recall saying this: 'PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY! She shouldn't have started it and Ray should have ended it in the way he did.' ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372466 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
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You, asshole! :D On 9/10/2014 4:40 PM, Rick Faircloth wrote: If you're referring to my typo, you're right Scott! On 9/10/2014 4:22 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: I try to teach the women (and men) in my life to be careful about what you say and do. Maybe you should take your own advice. Do you recall saying this: 'PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY! She shouldn't have started it and Ray should have ended it in the way he did.' ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372468 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Democrats set to lose the senate
so you think someone who was gang raped 4 times wouldn't be able to decipher whether or not evidence was correct or not? Once you've been raped, you lose your logic skills? On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote: You don't need to be a lawyer to answer the question. It's a logical one, and not answering is simply prevarication. But let us play that game, and make it even simpler until your only response other than to answer truthfully, would be to refuse to answer. If YOU were accused of rape, and you are innocent. You have been wrongly accused. Would you want a member of that Jury to be a woman who had been gang raped more than once? I would not, to answer the question myself. Would you? On 10 September 2014 11:37, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote: So, now it is a jury member and not a judge? I am not a lawyer. I have never been a lawyer. I have never spoken with lawyers about the nuances of jury selection. I have never served on a jury. I have never discussed with anyone who has served on a jury what the selection process was like. I will likely never be part of a jury selection process, So, no, I cannot answer that question. Can you answer my question?. Are you implying that a rape victim is incapable of being objective about other rape cases? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372502 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Democrats set to lose the senate
what the hell is independent media nowadays. As far as I can tell, anyone can throw up a a blog and suddenly all sorts of idiots start linking to it like it's gospel. The people that had those wacky ideas before used to have names like, The Goat Lady or Old Crazy Rufusnowadays they're independent media reporters. On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 9:55 AM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote: That's a huge one. Independent media is maligned by birth sides, and mainstream media are corporate and even government spokespersons at this point. It's also going to take a wave of person involvement most people have neither the time nor the inclusion for. On Sep 9, 2014 10:52 AM, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote: The media and needs to do it's job. Until then we're doomed by sheeple mentality. . On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 10:47 AM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote: I'm 40. I've been a political junkie my whole life. All I've seen are lies, even the very opposite reactions promised. I don't know what the answer is, but neither party has the answers and both have some regular decent people in them. There hasn't been any advancement in philosophy or ideology since the expansion of the social contract. At this point I cannot deny that trade unionism, socialism and even communism made us think about things suddenly for the positive, while at the same time doing immeasurable damage to individual rights. If we are to be intellectuals, and if politics is to be looked at as the science of the possible, then we need to look at things fully and from all angles and stop making decisions in fear and ignorance. Guns drugs sex and privacy to me are huge, but we need to start talking about election reform, apportionment, returning this nation to one that is actually represented. On Sep 9, 2014 10:37 AM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: I DIDN'T feel this way when I was younger, Scout. But I've watched as the America I've known has slowly been eroded and destroyed from within. It's time to fight for American values and virtue and not surrender this nation to those who would only destroy it. How old are you Scout? I'm 54 and I've given peaceful discussion all the chance I can. Radical liberals are insistent they their view prevail and will use whatever means they can, including physical violence, to achieve their goals. It's time to put a stop to it. On 9/9/2014 10:31 AM, LRS Scout wrote: You know that's how I thought more when I was younger, the older I've gotten I've come to realise that without at least discussing one another's opinions we'll get no where. Ghandi said an eye for an eye will make the whole world blind. I've suffered legitimate torts, wrongs at the hands of this government, but every day I get up and write and call and email. I may be chasing rabbits down holes and telling at walks but it is our responsibility, especially as oath takers, to bring reason and community back to these debates. After Bundy and Ferguson can't you see how close we are to tall violence. The government is responding wrong, so far the civilian side hasn't screwed up, but his long can that last and then we're in a shooting war. On Sep 9, 2014 10:20 AM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: I'm not talking about physical war. I mean social and political war-like attitude. Liberals have, for the most part, proven incapable or unwilling to discuss issues. They, like most terrorists, just want their way and will use any means to get it, including manipulating the federal government agencies as tools for their agenda, as Obama has been doing with the Justice Department, EPA, and IRS. They have sought war. Now that can get what they've asked for. I will not be a sheep led to slaughter, Scout. On 9/9/2014 12:08 AM, LRS Scout wrote: That's a terrible atrocious idea. I have worked to hard to ensure neither of my children join to have them see this place turn to shit. The initiation of violence for political means is immoral. There are legitimate causes did violent response, I've made it through a couple without it so far. The men who founded this nation were if the renaissance. Intellectuals, philosophers, inventors and scientists. They didn't fight until given no choice. We still have the ability to reason as men, the destruction a second civil war would do to this country would likely be permanent and result in a balkanization effect. Treating under the union for all time. Maybe that's what the next cycle of history requires but I'm not yet ready to surrender to it. On Sep 8, 2014 11:57 PM, Rick Faircloth
Re: Democrats set to lose the senate
Compared to Obama he is... On 9/9/2014 12:22 AM, LRS Scout wrote: Romney isn't a conservative. He was governor of Massachusetts. That's like pointing to Bloomberg as a republican idealist On Sep 8, 2014 11:41 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: Judah stated: You know, Rick, my wife said to me on election night, I've never seen someone so depressed and pissed off when the person they voted for won. I really don't care for Democrats as a general rule and I really hated to have to vote for Obama, but you and your ilk, Rick, make me want to vomit and you are why we can't have a reasonable political discourse in this country. It makes me sick. First, if you had any brains, you would have voted for Romney. He's been proven right in all the perspectives that Obama mocked in the debates. A dog always returns to its vomit, and Obama is having to eat what he vomited in the debates. Your ilk, Judah, are the kind that makes America weak, because you can't take a stand for what is right. You think compromise is the only way forward. You are an appeaser, just like your master, Obama, for whom you voted. You got what you deserved. Conservatives have realized that we have to fight the liberals, led by Obama, because liberals, like terrorists, believe that their ends justify their means. That's the reason Obama can constantly lie (just one case, You can keep you doctor...) and deceive and not feel guilty about it in the least. Obama and the liberal ideologues have this country in tatters domestically and the rest of the world in flames. There is no reason whatsoever to attempt reasonable discourse with radical liberals. They can't reason. They must blindly follow ideology, even when it doesn't product good fruit. So, yes, we've given up on dialogue. We're at war, politically, and we will fight to the finish. If the liberals don't like the fight, they can always give in and have what they say they want everywhere: peace. But they'll have it only on our terms, not theirs. Here's the line in the sand. And unlike Obama's, we mean what we say. You can vomit all you want, Judah, as long as you surrender any liberal causes that are unpalatable to those of us who believe we know what is best for this country. We have watched for 6 long years as Obama and other radical liberals have marched us down the path of socialism domestically and weakened out ability to combat evil in this world. We are mocked in the rest of the world and no one takes us seriously as a superpower, because Obama believes that America should be considered only an equal to any other country in the world, be it Russia or Somalia. American is distinctive and unique and will be a force for good in this world, or, by our lack of leadership, will allow the world to fall into even more chaos that it already has. On 9/8/2014 9:58 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 3:45 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: That's nonsense, Judah... at least the House votes and passes bills. You mean the double digit votes to repeal the Affordable Care Act? Wouldn't it be smarter for Reid to bring up bills for a vote, pass them (if he could), and then force the House to have to wrestle with a bill? No, that wouldn't be smarter, for the reasons I already stated. Please pay attention. Reid is only trying to protect his senators by making sure they don't have to take a vote, show their stripes, and be held accountable by a public that has soured on all things democrat, including Obama with a 38% approval rating. Except that Republicans have an even worse (by far) approval rating than Democrats. And the entire reason you have a hard-core Tea Party wing, is that the conservative public got tired of the rampaging hard-core liberals running rough-shod over the country. I would disagree on the reasons. And when was the last time there were rampaging hard-core liberals running rough shod over the country? FDR? That now works both ways, too. (Unless Obama and his IRS can successfully shut down the conservative groups by hunting them down and running them out of business.) Which, of course, was a lie from day one. Please, do tell me which groups the IRS denied status to, for political or other reasons. Rick You know, Rick, my wife said to me on election night, I've never seen someone so depressed and pissed off when the person they voted for won. I really don't care for Democrats as a general rule and I really hated to have to vote for Obama, but you and your ilk, Rick, make me want to vomit and you are why we can't have a reasonable political discourse in this country. It makes me sick. Judah ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive:
Re: Democrats set to lose the senate
I'm not talking about physical war. I mean social and political war-like attitude. Liberals have, for the most part, proven incapable or unwilling to discuss issues. They, like most terrorists, just want their way and will use any means to get it, including manipulating the federal government agencies as tools for their agenda, as Obama has been doing with the Justice Department, EPA, and IRS. They have sought war. Now that can get what they've asked for. I will not be a sheep led to slaughter, Scout. On 9/9/2014 12:08 AM, LRS Scout wrote: That's a terrible atrocious idea. I have worked to hard to ensure neither of my children join to have them see this place turn to shit. The initiation of violence for political means is immoral. There are legitimate causes did violent response, I've made it through a couple without it so far. The men who founded this nation were if the renaissance. Intellectuals, philosophers, inventors and scientists. They didn't fight until given no choice. We still have the ability to reason as men, the destruction a second civil war would do to this country would likely be permanent and result in a balkanization effect. Treating under the union for all time. Maybe that's what the next cycle of history requires but I'm not yet ready to surrender to it. On Sep 8, 2014 11:57 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372087 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Democrats set to lose the senate
Yeah. RIck is why I think we are all in a pile of crap if the GOP wins. Just the one quote he used as justifications shows that he is running based on what Fox news and the right wing media in the US says. Obamacare has been a resounding success, and this has been recognised objectively worldwide. Obama has also achieved more with less bloodshed than bush before him. Single case in point, Getting Iran to the negotiating table and keeping them non-weaponized without a war. America's economy has surged after one of the worst global recessions (which it caused) in history under Obama's economic policies. But you are right, Rick. The GOP is at war, and America and the rest of the world is collateral damage. That is why it baffles me how incompetent the democrats are at PR and winning an election. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372088 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Democrats set to lose the senate
Wow. You got it exactly opposite. Do you actually believe anything you just wrote? . On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 10:24 AM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah. RIck is why I think we are all in a pile of crap if the GOP wins. Just the one quote he used as justifications shows that he is running based on what Fox news and the right wing media in the US says. Obamacare has been a resounding success, and this has been recognised objectively worldwide. Obama has also achieved more with less bloodshed than bush before him. Single case in point, Getting Iran to the negotiating table and keeping them non-weaponized without a war. America's economy has surged after one of the worst global recessions (which it caused) in history under Obama's economic policies. But you are right, Rick. The GOP is at war, and America and the rest of the world is collateral damage. That is why it baffles me how incompetent the democrats are at PR and winning an election. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372089 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Democrats set to lose the senate
You know that's how I thought more when I was younger, the older I've gotten I've come to realise that without at least discussing one another's opinions we'll get no where. Ghandi said an eye for an eye will make the whole world blind. I've suffered legitimate torts, wrongs at the hands of this government, but every day I get up and write and call and email. I may be chasing rabbits down holes and telling at walks but it is our responsibility, especially as oath takers, to bring reason and community back to these debates. After Bundy and Ferguson can't you see how close we are to tall violence. The government is responding wrong, so far the civilian side hasn't screwed up, but his long can that last and then we're in a shooting war. On Sep 9, 2014 10:20 AM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: I'm not talking about physical war. I mean social and political war-like attitude. Liberals have, for the most part, proven incapable or unwilling to discuss issues. They, like most terrorists, just want their way and will use any means to get it, including manipulating the federal government agencies as tools for their agenda, as Obama has been doing with the Justice Department, EPA, and IRS. They have sought war. Now that can get what they've asked for. I will not be a sheep led to slaughter, Scout. On 9/9/2014 12:08 AM, LRS Scout wrote: That's a terrible atrocious idea. I have worked to hard to ensure neither of my children join to have them see this place turn to shit. The initiation of violence for political means is immoral. There are legitimate causes did violent response, I've made it through a couple without it so far. The men who founded this nation were if the renaissance. Intellectuals, philosophers, inventors and scientists. They didn't fight until given no choice. We still have the ability to reason as men, the destruction a second civil war would do to this country would likely be permanent and result in a balkanization effect. Treating under the union for all time. Maybe that's what the next cycle of history requires but I'm not yet ready to surrender to it. On Sep 8, 2014 11:57 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372090 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Democrats set to lose the senate
Who says it's a resounding success now? Cause I've linked the times and post going the exact other direction above. On Sep 9, 2014 10:25 AM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah. RIck is why I think we are all in a pile of crap if the GOP wins. Just the one quote he used as justifications shows that he is running based on what Fox news and the right wing media in the US says. Obamacare has been a resounding success, and this has been recognised objectively worldwide. Obama has also achieved more with less bloodshed than bush before him. Single case in point, Getting Iran to the negotiating table and keeping them non-weaponized without a war. America's economy has surged after one of the worst global recessions (which it caused) in history under Obama's economic policies. But you are right, Rick. The GOP is at war, and America and the rest of the world is collateral damage. That is why it baffles me how incompetent the democrats are at PR and winning an election. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372091 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Democrats set to lose the senate
Sam, if Obamacare was a success, what metrics would you expect to see? What would be your yardstick for Obamacare being *Successful*. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372093 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Democrats set to lose the senate
I DIDN'T feel this way when I was younger, Scout. But I've watched as the America I've known has slowly been eroded and destroyed from within. It's time to fight for American values and virtue and not surrender this nation to those who would only destroy it. How old are you Scout? I'm 54 and I've given peaceful discussion all the chance I can. Radical liberals are insistent they their view prevail and will use whatever means they can, including physical violence, to achieve their goals. It's time to put a stop to it. On 9/9/2014 10:31 AM, LRS Scout wrote: You know that's how I thought more when I was younger, the older I've gotten I've come to realise that without at least discussing one another's opinions we'll get no where. Ghandi said an eye for an eye will make the whole world blind. I've suffered legitimate torts, wrongs at the hands of this government, but every day I get up and write and call and email. I may be chasing rabbits down holes and telling at walks but it is our responsibility, especially as oath takers, to bring reason and community back to these debates. After Bundy and Ferguson can't you see how close we are to tall violence. The government is responding wrong, so far the civilian side hasn't screwed up, but his long can that last and then we're in a shooting war. On Sep 9, 2014 10:20 AM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: I'm not talking about physical war. I mean social and political war-like attitude. Liberals have, for the most part, proven incapable or unwilling to discuss issues. They, like most terrorists, just want their way and will use any means to get it, including manipulating the federal government agencies as tools for their agenda, as Obama has been doing with the Justice Department, EPA, and IRS. They have sought war. Now that can get what they've asked for. I will not be a sheep led to slaughter, Scout. On 9/9/2014 12:08 AM, LRS Scout wrote: That's a terrible atrocious idea. I have worked to hard to ensure neither of my children join to have them see this place turn to shit. The initiation of violence for political means is immoral. There are legitimate causes did violent response, I've made it through a couple without it so far. The men who founded this nation were if the renaissance. Intellectuals, philosophers, inventors and scientists. They didn't fight until given no choice. We still have the ability to reason as men, the destruction a second civil war would do to this country would likely be permanent and result in a balkanization effect. Treating under the union for all time. Maybe that's what the next cycle of history requires but I'm not yet ready to surrender to it. On Sep 8, 2014 11:57 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372095 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Democrats set to lose the senate
I'm 40. I've been a political junkie my whole life. All I've seen are lies, even the very opposite reactions promised. I don't know what the answer is, but neither party has the answers and both have some regular decent people in them. There hasn't been any advancement in philosophy or ideology since the expansion of the social contract. At this point I cannot deny that trade unionism, socialism and even communism made us think about things suddenly for the positive, while at the same time doing immeasurable damage to individual rights. If we are to be intellectuals, and if politics is to be looked at as the science of the possible, then we need to look at things fully and from all angles and stop making decisions in fear and ignorance. Guns drugs sex and privacy to me are huge, but we need to start talking about election reform, apportionment, returning this nation to one that is actually represented. On Sep 9, 2014 10:37 AM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: I DIDN'T feel this way when I was younger, Scout. But I've watched as the America I've known has slowly been eroded and destroyed from within. It's time to fight for American values and virtue and not surrender this nation to those who would only destroy it. How old are you Scout? I'm 54 and I've given peaceful discussion all the chance I can. Radical liberals are insistent they their view prevail and will use whatever means they can, including physical violence, to achieve their goals. It's time to put a stop to it. On 9/9/2014 10:31 AM, LRS Scout wrote: You know that's how I thought more when I was younger, the older I've gotten I've come to realise that without at least discussing one another's opinions we'll get no where. Ghandi said an eye for an eye will make the whole world blind. I've suffered legitimate torts, wrongs at the hands of this government, but every day I get up and write and call and email. I may be chasing rabbits down holes and telling at walks but it is our responsibility, especially as oath takers, to bring reason and community back to these debates. After Bundy and Ferguson can't you see how close we are to tall violence. The government is responding wrong, so far the civilian side hasn't screwed up, but his long can that last and then we're in a shooting war. On Sep 9, 2014 10:20 AM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: I'm not talking about physical war. I mean social and political war-like attitude. Liberals have, for the most part, proven incapable or unwilling to discuss issues. They, like most terrorists, just want their way and will use any means to get it, including manipulating the federal government agencies as tools for their agenda, as Obama has been doing with the Justice Department, EPA, and IRS. They have sought war. Now that can get what they've asked for. I will not be a sheep led to slaughter, Scout. On 9/9/2014 12:08 AM, LRS Scout wrote: That's a terrible atrocious idea. I have worked to hard to ensure neither of my children join to have them see this place turn to shit. The initiation of violence for political means is immoral. There are legitimate causes did violent response, I've made it through a couple without it so far. The men who founded this nation were if the renaissance. Intellectuals, philosophers, inventors and scientists. They didn't fight until given no choice. We still have the ability to reason as men, the destruction a second civil war would do to this country would likely be permanent and result in a balkanization effect. Treating under the union for all time. Maybe that's what the next cycle of history requires but I'm not yet ready to surrender to it. On Sep 8, 2014 11:57 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372098 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Democrats set to lose the senate
The media and needs to do it's job. Until then we're doomed by sheeple mentality. . On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 10:47 AM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote: I'm 40. I've been a political junkie my whole life. All I've seen are lies, even the very opposite reactions promised. I don't know what the answer is, but neither party has the answers and both have some regular decent people in them. There hasn't been any advancement in philosophy or ideology since the expansion of the social contract. At this point I cannot deny that trade unionism, socialism and even communism made us think about things suddenly for the positive, while at the same time doing immeasurable damage to individual rights. If we are to be intellectuals, and if politics is to be looked at as the science of the possible, then we need to look at things fully and from all angles and stop making decisions in fear and ignorance. Guns drugs sex and privacy to me are huge, but we need to start talking about election reform, apportionment, returning this nation to one that is actually represented. On Sep 9, 2014 10:37 AM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: I DIDN'T feel this way when I was younger, Scout. But I've watched as the America I've known has slowly been eroded and destroyed from within. It's time to fight for American values and virtue and not surrender this nation to those who would only destroy it. How old are you Scout? I'm 54 and I've given peaceful discussion all the chance I can. Radical liberals are insistent they their view prevail and will use whatever means they can, including physical violence, to achieve their goals. It's time to put a stop to it. On 9/9/2014 10:31 AM, LRS Scout wrote: You know that's how I thought more when I was younger, the older I've gotten I've come to realise that without at least discussing one another's opinions we'll get no where. Ghandi said an eye for an eye will make the whole world blind. I've suffered legitimate torts, wrongs at the hands of this government, but every day I get up and write and call and email. I may be chasing rabbits down holes and telling at walks but it is our responsibility, especially as oath takers, to bring reason and community back to these debates. After Bundy and Ferguson can't you see how close we are to tall violence. The government is responding wrong, so far the civilian side hasn't screwed up, but his long can that last and then we're in a shooting war. On Sep 9, 2014 10:20 AM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: I'm not talking about physical war. I mean social and political war-like attitude. Liberals have, for the most part, proven incapable or unwilling to discuss issues. They, like most terrorists, just want their way and will use any means to get it, including manipulating the federal government agencies as tools for their agenda, as Obama has been doing with the Justice Department, EPA, and IRS. They have sought war. Now that can get what they've asked for. I will not be a sheep led to slaughter, Scout. On 9/9/2014 12:08 AM, LRS Scout wrote: That's a terrible atrocious idea. I have worked to hard to ensure neither of my children join to have them see this place turn to shit. The initiation of violence for political means is immoral. There are legitimate causes did violent response, I've made it through a couple without it so far. The men who founded this nation were if the renaissance. Intellectuals, philosophers, inventors and scientists. They didn't fight until given no choice. We still have the ability to reason as men, the destruction a second civil war would do to this country would likely be permanent and result in a balkanization effect. Treating under the union for all time. Maybe that's what the next cycle of history requires but I'm not yet ready to surrender to it. On Sep 8, 2014 11:57 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372101 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Democrats set to lose the senate
That's a huge one. Independent media is maligned by birth sides, and mainstream media are corporate and even government spokespersons at this point. It's also going to take a wave of person involvement most people have neither the time nor the inclusion for. On Sep 9, 2014 10:52 AM, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote: The media and needs to do it's job. Until then we're doomed by sheeple mentality. . On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 10:47 AM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote: I'm 40. I've been a political junkie my whole life. All I've seen are lies, even the very opposite reactions promised. I don't know what the answer is, but neither party has the answers and both have some regular decent people in them. There hasn't been any advancement in philosophy or ideology since the expansion of the social contract. At this point I cannot deny that trade unionism, socialism and even communism made us think about things suddenly for the positive, while at the same time doing immeasurable damage to individual rights. If we are to be intellectuals, and if politics is to be looked at as the science of the possible, then we need to look at things fully and from all angles and stop making decisions in fear and ignorance. Guns drugs sex and privacy to me are huge, but we need to start talking about election reform, apportionment, returning this nation to one that is actually represented. On Sep 9, 2014 10:37 AM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: I DIDN'T feel this way when I was younger, Scout. But I've watched as the America I've known has slowly been eroded and destroyed from within. It's time to fight for American values and virtue and not surrender this nation to those who would only destroy it. How old are you Scout? I'm 54 and I've given peaceful discussion all the chance I can. Radical liberals are insistent they their view prevail and will use whatever means they can, including physical violence, to achieve their goals. It's time to put a stop to it. On 9/9/2014 10:31 AM, LRS Scout wrote: You know that's how I thought more when I was younger, the older I've gotten I've come to realise that without at least discussing one another's opinions we'll get no where. Ghandi said an eye for an eye will make the whole world blind. I've suffered legitimate torts, wrongs at the hands of this government, but every day I get up and write and call and email. I may be chasing rabbits down holes and telling at walks but it is our responsibility, especially as oath takers, to bring reason and community back to these debates. After Bundy and Ferguson can't you see how close we are to tall violence. The government is responding wrong, so far the civilian side hasn't screwed up, but his long can that last and then we're in a shooting war. On Sep 9, 2014 10:20 AM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: I'm not talking about physical war. I mean social and political war-like attitude. Liberals have, for the most part, proven incapable or unwilling to discuss issues. They, like most terrorists, just want their way and will use any means to get it, including manipulating the federal government agencies as tools for their agenda, as Obama has been doing with the Justice Department, EPA, and IRS. They have sought war. Now that can get what they've asked for. I will not be a sheep led to slaughter, Scout. On 9/9/2014 12:08 AM, LRS Scout wrote: That's a terrible atrocious idea. I have worked to hard to ensure neither of my children join to have them see this place turn to shit. The initiation of violence for political means is immoral. There are legitimate causes did violent response, I've made it through a couple without it so far. The men who founded this nation were if the renaissance. Intellectuals, philosophers, inventors and scientists. They didn't fight until given no choice. We still have the ability to reason as men, the destruction a second civil war would do to this country would likely be permanent and result in a balkanization effect. Treating under the union for all time. Maybe that's what the next cycle of history requires but I'm not yet ready to surrender to it. On Sep 8, 2014 11:57 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372102 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Democrats set to lose the senate
Yes, I watch Fox News AND CNN's talk/dicussion shows to stay aware of other viewpoints. However, Fox is willing to call a spade a spade. Other news media is simply a liberal mouthpiece, for the most part. Obamacare a success?!? That viewpoint is just unbelievable. It's STILL a failure, being unable to bring the most critical funcationality online. (Connecting to the insurers that pay the bills!) No one even know whether people are getting appropriate subsidies or not. Just wait until the IRS starts demanding money back from those who have received subsidies and it's finally determined that they received too much of the PUBLIC'S money. When the Employer Mandate kicks in, it will really hit the fan. People will lose jobs, employers will stop offering healthcare, and the price of service, when it's available, will skyrocket. Insurance prices are higher all the time. Don't just consider premiums... out-of-pocket costs BEFORE Obamacare kicks in are through the roof! If you want to elaborate on how Obamacare is a PRACTICAL, SUSTAINABLE success, then I'm all ears. Let's hear it. Look around you, Vivec. The world is already in flames and chaos. Conservative views (not just Republican views) will bring some reason and order back into this world. The views I refer to are the views on which this country was founded and they are the only views that can bring a consistent state of prosperity to this nation. PS - And if you really believe Iran can be trusted at all, you, like Obama, are being played... sucker. On 9/9/2014 10:24 AM, Vivec wrote: Yeah. RIck is why I think we are all in a pile of crap if the GOP wins. Just the one quote he used as justifications shows that he is running based on what Fox news and the right wing media in the US says. Obamacare has been a resounding success, and this has been recognised objectively worldwide. Obama has also achieved more with less bloodshed than bush before him. Single case in point, Getting Iran to the negotiating table and keeping them non-weaponized without a war. America's economy has surged after one of the worst global recessions (which it caused) in history under Obama's economic policies. But you are right, Rick. The GOP is at war, and America and the rest of the world is collateral damage. That is why it baffles me how incompetent the democrats are at PR and winning an election. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372103 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Democrats set to lose the senate
Conservative viewed in science and the drug war are at odds with reality too though. Much of the conflict around the world stems from our direct involvement. On Sep 9, 2014 10:56 AM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: Yes, I watch Fox News AND CNN's talk/dicussion shows to stay aware of other viewpoints. However, Fox is willing to call a spade a spade. Other news media is simply a liberal mouthpiece, for the most part. Obamacare a success?!? That viewpoint is just unbelievable. It's STILL a failure, being unable to bring the most critical funcationality online. (Connecting to the insurers that pay the bills!) No one even know whether people are getting appropriate subsidies or not. Just wait until the IRS starts demanding money back from those who have received subsidies and it's finally determined that they received too much of the PUBLIC'S money. When the Employer Mandate kicks in, it will really hit the fan. People will lose jobs, employers will stop offering healthcare, and the price of service, when it's available, will skyrocket. Insurance prices are higher all the time. Don't just consider premiums... out-of-pocket costs BEFORE Obamacare kicks in are through the roof! If you want to elaborate on how Obamacare is a PRACTICAL, SUSTAINABLE success, then I'm all ears. Let's hear it. Look around you, Vivec. The world is already in flames and chaos. Conservative views (not just Republican views) will bring some reason and order back into this world. The views I refer to are the views on which this country was founded and they are the only views that can bring a consistent state of prosperity to this nation. PS - And if you really believe Iran can be trusted at all, you, like Obama, are being played... sucker. On 9/9/2014 10:24 AM, Vivec wrote: Yeah. RIck is why I think we are all in a pile of crap if the GOP wins. Just the one quote he used as justifications shows that he is running based on what Fox news and the right wing media in the US says. Obamacare has been a resounding success, and this has been recognised objectively worldwide. Obama has also achieved more with less bloodshed than bush before him. Single case in point, Getting Iran to the negotiating table and keeping them non-weaponized without a war. America's economy has surged after one of the worst global recessions (which it caused) in history under Obama's economic policies. But you are right, Rick. The GOP is at war, and America and the rest of the world is collateral damage. That is why it baffles me how incompetent the democrats are at PR and winning an election. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372104 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
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It's time to fight for American values and virtue and not surrender this nation to those who would only destroy it. And what precisely, pray tell, are these American values? -- will If my life weren't funny, it would just be true; and that would just be unacceptable. - Carrie Fisher ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372105 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
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Slavery, spousal abuse and firing invasion seen to be common threads. On Sep 9, 2014 11:02 AM, William Bowen william.bo...@gmail.com wrote: It's time to fight for American values and virtue and not surrender this nation to those who would only destroy it. And what precisely, pray tell, are these American values? -- will If my life weren't funny, it would just be true; and that would just be unacceptable. - Carrie Fisher ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372110 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Democrats set to lose the senate
mmm... excellent bogeymen all... Rick, it was your initial statement, care to elaborate on your American values? On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 8:07 AM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote: Slavery, spousal abuse and firing invasion seen to be common threads. On Sep 9, 2014 11:02 AM, William Bowen william.bo...@gmail.com wrote: It's time to fight for American values and virtue and not surrender this nation to those who would only destroy it. And what precisely, pray tell, are these American values? -- will If my life weren't funny, it would just be true; and that would just be unacceptable. - Carrie Fisher ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372112 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Democrats set to lose the senate
Let's start with 'personal responsibility'. Liberals have abused the generosity of the American Public to the point that welfare is now a way of life for half our population. On 9/9/2014 11:11 AM, William Bowen wrote: mmm... excellent bogeymen all... Rick, it was your initial statement, care to elaborate on your American values? On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 8:07 AM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote: Slavery, spousal abuse and firing invasion seen to be common threads. On Sep 9, 2014 11:02 AM, William Bowen william.bo...@gmail.com wrote: It's time to fight for American values and virtue and not surrender this nation to those who would only destroy it. And what precisely, pray tell, are these American values? -- will If my life weren't funny, it would just be true; and that would just be unacceptable. - Carrie Fisher ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372115 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Democrats set to lose the senate
False... http://www.occasionalplanet.org/2014/02/06/how-the-media-went-wrong-on-the-cbo-obamacare-report/ -Original Message- From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 10:33 PM To: cf-community Subject: RE: Democrats set to lose the senate *Health-care law will prompt over 2 million to quit jobs or cut hours, a CBO report says* http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/cbo-botched-health-care-law-rollout-will-reduce-signups-by-1-million-people/2014/02/04/c78577d0-8dac-11e3-98ab-fe5228217bd1_story.html 100 Unintended Consequences of http://m.nationalreview.com/article/359861/100-unintended-consequences-obamacare-andrew-johnson Obamacare http://m.nationalreview.com/article/359861/100-unintended-consequences-obamacare-andrew-johnson Companies, workers, retirees, students, and spouses all suffer from the law’s inflexible mandates. On Sep 8, 2014 11:28 PM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote: I said no such thing On Sep 8, 2014 11:27 PM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote: Weren't you also saying that the ACA mandated chips to be implanted in everyone? See the pattern here... -Original Message- From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 10:21 PM To: cf-community Subject: RE: Democrats set to lose the senate minimally-invasive neurotechnologies On Sep 8, 2014 11:19 PM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote: Outside of nutcase websites, I don't see anything referring to brain implants... -Original Message- From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 10:05 PM To: cf-community Subject: RE: Democrats set to lose the senate Dude I shit you not it's in the Whitehouse site and they themselves emailed me about it: http://m.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2014/08/26/fact-sheet-pres ide nt-obama-announces-new-executive-actions-fulfill-our-p *Continuing our Commitment to Improve Treatments for Mental Health Conditions including PTSD. *In support of the National Research Action Plan on military and veteran’s mental health, the DoD and the National Institutes of Health are launching a longitudinal project focused on the early detection of suicidality, PTSD, and long term effects of TBI, and other related issues in service members and veterans. VA is launching a $34.4 million suicide prevention study involving 1800 veterans at 29 VA hospitals. In support of the President’s BRAIN Initiative, the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) is announcing a new $78.9 million research program to develop minimally-invasive neurotechnologies that may help treat many diseases, including PTSD. In addition, the White House announced that this fall it will host the White House BRAIN conference, including a focus on PTSD and TBI. On Sep 8, 2014 10:44 PM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote: Obama is hardly a hardcore liberal...he is a moderate conservative at best. Brain implant chips? Seriously Tim? -Original Message- From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 9:08 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Democrats set to lose the senate There is a hardcore liberal didn't running roughshod over the consortium in the white house right now. Have you seem some I'd the attempted gun control legislation? Don't forget chairman Obama's recent decree to give vets brain implant chips, which it turns out haven't even been human tested yet. In post racial America we can.t have another Tuskegee, so we'll go to the new second class for test subjects. I mean dangerous veterans should be controlled. If they think after paxil and larium and anthrax and small pox, and giving me mrsa that I'm going to let them implant shit in my head. On Sep 8, 2014 9:58 PM, Judah McAuley ju...@wiredotter.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 3:45 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: That's nonsense, Judah... at least the House votes and passes bills. You mean the double digit votes to repeal the Affordable Care Act? Wouldn't it be smarter for Reid to bring up bills for a vote, pass them (if he could), and then force the House to have to wrestle with a bill? No, that wouldn't be smarter, for the reasons I already stated. Please pay attention. Reid is only trying to protect his senators by making sure they don't have to take a vote, show their stripes, and be held accountable by a public that has soured on all things democrat, including Obama with a 38% approval rating. Except that Republicans have an even worse (by far) approval rating than Democrats
RE: Democrats set to lose the senate
Yeah he ran as a compassionate conservative...but that was where that ended. Compassionate conservative is an oxymoron. So those who have more money pay more money...so? I can't find anything comparing Holder to other DOJ's...if you have some links... Yeah...as I said...he is liberal on the social issues for the most part, but everything else, he has pretty much continued Bush policies. It's been a major bone of contention amongst my fellow progressives. There really hasn't been a whole done in regards to income redistribution...that is a conservative boogeyman and Fox news seems to like to throw out there, but I really don't see a whole lot going on in that area. Welfare services have been cut back when they were needed the most. The only income redistribution that has really been going on is for the rich and all of the new tax breaks/continuation of old ones that were supposed to expire. We have tons of money for tax breaks, but yet we have to cut food stamps and military pay? That is a Bush move... The federal government is smaller under Obama than it was under any other president... http://www.aei-ideas.org/2012/09/has-government-employment-really-increased- under-obama/ http://money.msn.com/now/post.aspx?post=a4602806-9a56-4980-91fd-71334748a79b http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2012/05/24/who-is-the-smallest-governm ent-spender-since-eisenhower-would-you-believe-its-barack-obama/ -Original Message- From: C. Hatton Humphrey [mailto:chumph...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 11:17 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Democrats set to lose the senate On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 11:36 PM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote: He pretty much continued all of Bush's policies. The only liberal part of his polices has been what the has done for the LGBTQ Community and maybe the equal pay for women bills. Other than that, he turned out to be not much different than Bush, with the exception of being a bit more prudent about sending our troops into harm's way. For some things you're absolutely right... I found this a funny compilation http://www.buzzfeed.com/bennyjohnson/things-democrats-would-have-freaked-out -about-if-bush-had-do#289ccxl * HOWEVER * Bush ran as a compassionate conservative for the 2000 election... I don't recall if his tone changed in 2004 but then again I don't think it had to given his competition. Why I still call BS even though some policies have continued under Obama: * The Affordable Care Act - This is a taxpayer funded healthcare management system that requires Americans to purchase a product or be penalized by a federal agency. It further directs and defines services provided to americans and mandates employer level contributions to plans. It also creates penalties for high-end cadillac plans and increases FICA medicare taxes for those that make above a certain level (there is a 0.09% FICA Medicare surcharge for those making in excess of $200,000). All these combine to create a larger federal governmental structure that is stronger and more insinuated in the daily lives of citizens. * The actions of Eric Holder - The Holder Department of Justice has been more litigious than any that I can recall * Ardent support of policy changes for social issues such as minimum wage, abortion (including parental consent) and LGBT issues (yeah, I know you mentioned that). * Speeches that directly support income redistribution There are more but unfortunately I have to end it there due to the time. My point is this: It's not in his similarity to Bush that makes him a moderate conservative (wow, there's a term that doesn't exist) but in the actions he has taken to directly grow the size of the federal government, create dependencies on it and lessen the power of the individual states through the same fiscal tactics that brought about the 55 mile per hour speed limit. Those are not conservative goals or ideals, they are the opposite. Until Later! C. Hatton Humphrey http://www.eastcoastconservative.com Every cloud does have a silver lining. Sometimes you just have to do some smelting to find it. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372123 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Democrats set to lose the senate
Then why is it that the bulk of the people on welfare programs are conservatives? Red states consume more way more welfare dollars than blue states do. -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 10:23 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Democrats set to lose the senate Let's start with 'personal responsibility'. Liberals have abused the generosity of the American Public to the point that welfare is now a way of life for half our population. On 9/9/2014 11:11 AM, William Bowen wrote: mmm... excellent bogeymen all... Rick, it was your initial statement, care to elaborate on your American values? On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 8:07 AM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote: Slavery, spousal abuse and firing invasion seen to be common threads. On Sep 9, 2014 11:02 AM, William Bowen william.bo...@gmail.com wrote: It's time to fight for American values and virtue and not surrender this nation to those who would only destroy it. And what precisely, pray tell, are these American values? -- will If my life weren't funny, it would just be true; and that would just be unacceptable. - Carrie Fisher ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372125 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Democrats set to lose the senate
So those who have more money pay more money...so? The federal government is smaller under Obama than it was under any other president... And I'm done for today On Sep 9, 2014 11:43 AM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote: Yeah he ran as a compassionate conservative...but that was where that ended. Compassionate conservative is an oxymoron. So those who have more money pay more money...so? I can't find anything comparing Holder to other DOJ's...if you have some links... Yeah...as I said...he is liberal on the social issues for the most part, but everything else, he has pretty much continued Bush policies. It's been a major bone of contention amongst my fellow progressives. There really hasn't been a whole done in regards to income redistribution...that is a conservative boogeyman and Fox news seems to like to throw out there, but I really don't see a whole lot going on in that area. Welfare services have been cut back when they were needed the most. The only income redistribution that has really been going on is for the rich and all of the new tax breaks/continuation of old ones that were supposed to expire. We have tons of money for tax breaks, but yet we have to cut food stamps and military pay? That is a Bush move... The federal government is smaller under Obama than it was under any other president... http://www.aei-ideas.org/2012/09/has-government-employment-really-increased- under-obama/ http://money.msn.com/now/post.aspx?post=a4602806-9a56-4980-91fd-71334748a79b http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2012/05/24/who-is-the-smallest-governm ent-spender-since-eisenhower-would-you-believe-its-barack-obama/ -Original Message- From: C. Hatton Humphrey [mailto:chumph...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 11:17 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Democrats set to lose the senate On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 11:36 PM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote: He pretty much continued all of Bush's policies. The only liberal part of his polices has been what the has done for the LGBTQ Community and maybe the equal pay for women bills. Other than that, he turned out to be not much different than Bush, with the exception of being a bit more prudent about sending our troops into harm's way. For some things you're absolutely right... I found this a funny compilation http://www.buzzfeed.com/bennyjohnson/things-democrats-would-have-freaked-out -about-if-bush-had-do#289ccxl * HOWEVER * Bush ran as a compassionate conservative for the 2000 election... I don't recall if his tone changed in 2004 but then again I don't think it had to given his competition. Why I still call BS even though some policies have continued under Obama: * The Affordable Care Act - This is a taxpayer funded healthcare management system that requires Americans to purchase a product or be penalized by a federal agency. It further directs and defines services provided to americans and mandates employer level contributions to plans. It also creates penalties for high-end cadillac plans and increases FICA medicare taxes for those that make above a certain level (there is a 0.09% FICA Medicare surcharge for those making in excess of $200,000). All these combine to create a larger federal governmental structure that is stronger and more insinuated in the daily lives of citizens. * The actions of Eric Holder - The Holder Department of Justice has been more litigious than any that I can recall * Ardent support of policy changes for social issues such as minimum wage, abortion (including parental consent) and LGBT issues (yeah, I know you mentioned that). * Speeches that directly support income redistribution There are more but unfortunately I have to end it there due to the time. My point is this: It's not in his similarity to Bush that makes him a moderate conservative (wow, there's a term that doesn't exist) but in the actions he has taken to directly grow the size of the federal government, create dependencies on it and lessen the power of the individual states through the same fiscal tactics that brought about the 55 mile per hour speed limit. Those are not conservative goals or ideals, they are the opposite. Until Later! C. Hatton Humphrey http://www.eastcoastconservative.com Every cloud does have a silver lining. Sometimes you just have to do some smelting to find it. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372129 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Democrats set to lose the senate
Because they are older and in areas that were more heavily hit by the loss of our industrial sector. On Sep 9, 2014 11:49 AM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote: Then why is it that the bulk of the people on welfare programs are conservatives? Red states consume more way more welfare dollars than blue states do. -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 10:23 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Democrats set to lose the senate Let's start with 'personal responsibility'. Liberals have abused the generosity of the American Public to the point that welfare is now a way of life for half our population. On 9/9/2014 11:11 AM, William Bowen wrote: mmm... excellent bogeymen all... Rick, it was your initial statement, care to elaborate on your American values? On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 8:07 AM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote: Slavery, spousal abuse and firing invasion seen to be common threads. On Sep 9, 2014 11:02 AM, William Bowen william.bo...@gmail.com wrote: It's time to fight for American values and virtue and not surrender this nation to those who would only destroy it. And what precisely, pray tell, are these American values? -- will If my life weren't funny, it would just be true; and that would just be unacceptable. - Carrie Fisher ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372133 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Democrats set to lose the senate
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/10/24/red-state-blue-state-who-receives-the-most-federal-funding-not-ready-hold-for-wed-am/ . On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 12:02 PM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote: Because they are older and in areas that were more heavily hit by the loss of our industrial sector. On Sep 9, 2014 11:49 AM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote: Then why is it that the bulk of the people on welfare programs are conservatives? Red states consume more way more welfare dollars than blue states do. -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 10:23 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Democrats set to lose the senate Let's start with 'personal responsibility'. Liberals have abused the generosity of the American Public to the point that welfare is now a way of life for half our population. On 9/9/2014 11:11 AM, William Bowen wrote: mmm... excellent bogeymen all... Rick, it was your initial statement, care to elaborate on your American values? On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 8:07 AM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote: Slavery, spousal abuse and firing invasion seen to be common threads. On Sep 9, 2014 11:02 AM, William Bowen william.bo...@gmail.com wrote: It's time to fight for American values and virtue and not surrender this nation to those who would only destroy it. And what precisely, pray tell, are these American values? -- will If my life weren't funny, it would just be true; and that would just be unacceptable. - Carrie Fisher ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372140 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Democrats set to lose the senate
It's irrelevant why...the fact is conservatives use more welfare than liberals do. It's not, as Herr Rick is claiming, that liberals are abusing the generosity of Americans...that would be conservatives. -Original Message- From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 11:02 AM To: cf-community Subject: RE: Democrats set to lose the senate Because they are older and in areas that were more heavily hit by the loss of our industrial sector. On Sep 9, 2014 11:49 AM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote: Then why is it that the bulk of the people on welfare programs are conservatives? Red states consume more way more welfare dollars than blue states do. -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 10:23 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Democrats set to lose the senate Let's start with 'personal responsibility'. Liberals have abused the generosity of the American Public to the point that welfare is now a way of life for half our population. On 9/9/2014 11:11 AM, William Bowen wrote: mmm... excellent bogeymen all... Rick, it was your initial statement, care to elaborate on your American values? On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 8:07 AM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote: Slavery, spousal abuse and firing invasion seen to be common threads. On Sep 9, 2014 11:02 AM, William Bowen william.bo...@gmail.com wrote: It's time to fight for American values and virtue and not surrender this nation to those who would only destroy it. And what precisely, pray tell, are these American values? -- will If my life weren't funny, it would just be true; and that would just be unacceptable. - Carrie Fisher ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372172 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Democrats set to lose the senate
How do you extrapolate that because red states consume more welfare dollars than blue states, that the majority of welfare recipients in those states are conservative? And, anyway, we all suffer from liberal policies. If liberal policies were applied only to liberals, there would be no more liberals. On 9/9/2014 11:48 AM, Eric Roberts wrote: Then why is it that the bulk of the people on welfare programs are conservatives? Red states consume more way more welfare dollars than blue states do. -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 10:23 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Democrats set to lose the senate Let's start with 'personal responsibility'. Liberals have abused the generosity of the American Public to the point that welfare is now a way of life for half our population. On 9/9/2014 11:11 AM, William Bowen wrote: mmm... excellent bogeymen all... Rick, it was your initial statement, care to elaborate on your American values? On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 8:07 AM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote: Slavery, spousal abuse and firing invasion seen to be common threads. On Sep 9, 2014 11:02 AM, William Bowen william.bo...@gmail.com wrote: It's time to fight for American values and virtue and not surrender this nation to those who would only destroy it. And what precisely, pray tell, are these American values? -- will If my life weren't funny, it would just be true; and that would just be unacceptable. - Carrie Fisher ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372176 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Democrats set to lose the senate
The inclusion of social security next to welfare inflates the number to prove your point is what I'm saying. On Sep 9, 2014 1:15 PM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote: It's irrelevant why...the fact is conservatives use more welfare than liberals do. It's not, as Herr Rick is claiming, that liberals are abusing the generosity of Americans...that would be conservatives. -Original Message- From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 11:02 AM To: cf-community Subject: RE: Democrats set to lose the senate Because they are older and in areas that were more heavily hit by the loss of our industrial sector. On Sep 9, 2014 11:49 AM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote: Then why is it that the bulk of the people on welfare programs are conservatives? Red states consume more way more welfare dollars than blue states do. -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 10:23 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Democrats set to lose the senate Let's start with 'personal responsibility'. Liberals have abused the generosity of the American Public to the point that welfare is now a way of life for half our population. On 9/9/2014 11:11 AM, William Bowen wrote: mmm... excellent bogeymen all... Rick, it was your initial statement, care to elaborate on your American values? On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 8:07 AM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote: Slavery, spousal abuse and firing invasion seen to be common threads. On Sep 9, 2014 11:02 AM, William Bowen william.bo...@gmail.com wrote: It's time to fight for American values and virtue and not surrender this nation to those who would only destroy it. And what precisely, pray tell, are these American values? -- will If my life weren't funny, it would just be true; and that would just be unacceptable. - Carrie Fisher ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372177 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Democrats set to lose the senate
And you asked why Specifically On Sep 9, 2014 1:15 PM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote: It's irrelevant why...the fact is conservatives use more welfare than liberals do. It's not, as Herr Rick is claiming, that liberals are abusing the generosity of Americans...that would be conservatives. -Original Message- From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 11:02 AM To: cf-community Subject: RE: Democrats set to lose the senate Because they are older and in areas that were more heavily hit by the loss of our industrial sector. On Sep 9, 2014 11:49 AM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote: Then why is it that the bulk of the people on welfare programs are conservatives? Red states consume more way more welfare dollars than blue states do. -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 10:23 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Democrats set to lose the senate Let's start with 'personal responsibility'. Liberals have abused the generosity of the American Public to the point that welfare is now a way of life for half our population. On 9/9/2014 11:11 AM, William Bowen wrote: mmm... excellent bogeymen all... Rick, it was your initial statement, care to elaborate on your American values? On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 8:07 AM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote: Slavery, spousal abuse and firing invasion seen to be common threads. On Sep 9, 2014 11:02 AM, William Bowen william.bo...@gmail.com wrote: It's time to fight for American values and virtue and not surrender this nation to those who would only destroy it. And what precisely, pray tell, are these American values? -- will If my life weren't funny, it would just be true; and that would just be unacceptable. - Carrie Fisher ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372178 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Democrats set to lose the senate
I have never claimed that utilizing welfare is inherently wrong. Can you quote me stating that, Herr Eric? And do you deny that many on the welfare rolls are abusing said rolls, Herr Eric? On 9/9/2014 1:14 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: It's irrelevant why...the fact is conservatives use more welfare than liberals do. It's not, as Herr Rick is claiming, that liberals are abusing the generosity of Americans...that would be conservatives. -Original Message- From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 11:02 AM To: cf-community Subject: RE: Democrats set to lose the senate Because they are older and in areas that were more heavily hit by the loss of our industrial sector. On Sep 9, 2014 11:49 AM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote: Then why is it that the bulk of the people on welfare programs are conservatives? Red states consume more way more welfare dollars than blue states do. -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 10:23 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Democrats set to lose the senate Let's start with 'personal responsibility'. Liberals have abused the generosity of the American Public to the point that welfare is now a way of life for half our population. On 9/9/2014 11:11 AM, William Bowen wrote: mmm... excellent bogeymen all... Rick, it was your initial statement, care to elaborate on your American values? On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 8:07 AM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote: Slavery, spousal abuse and firing invasion seen to be common threads. On Sep 9, 2014 11:02 AM, William Bowen william.bo...@gmail.com wrote: It's time to fight for American values and virtue and not surrender this nation to those who would only destroy it. And what precisely, pray tell, are these American values? -- will If my life weren't funny, it would just be true; and that would just be unacceptable. - Carrie Fisher ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372181 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Democrats set to lose the senate
Only conservatives include Social Security in welfare...so no...that is not part of that number. -Original Message- From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 12:33 PM To: cf-community Subject: RE: Democrats set to lose the senate The inclusion of social security next to welfare inflates the number to prove your point is what I'm saying. On Sep 9, 2014 1:15 PM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote: It's irrelevant why...the fact is conservatives use more welfare than liberals do. It's not, as Herr Rick is claiming, that liberals are abusing the generosity of Americans...that would be conservatives. -Original Message- From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 11:02 AM To: cf-community Subject: RE: Democrats set to lose the senate Because they are older and in areas that were more heavily hit by the loss of our industrial sector. On Sep 9, 2014 11:49 AM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote: Then why is it that the bulk of the people on welfare programs are conservatives? Red states consume more way more welfare dollars than blue states do. -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 10:23 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Democrats set to lose the senate Let's start with 'personal responsibility'. Liberals have abused the generosity of the American Public to the point that welfare is now a way of life for half our population. On 9/9/2014 11:11 AM, William Bowen wrote: mmm... excellent bogeymen all... Rick, it was your initial statement, care to elaborate on your American values? On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 8:07 AM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote: Slavery, spousal abuse and firing invasion seen to be common threads. On Sep 9, 2014 11:02 AM, William Bowen william.bo...@gmail.com wrote: It's time to fight for American values and virtue and not surrender this nation to those who would only destroy it. And what precisely, pray tell, are these American values? -- will If my life weren't funny, it would just be true; and that would just be unacceptable. - Carrie Fisher ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372198 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Democrats set to lose the senate
Some...yes...many...no. -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 12:36 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Democrats set to lose the senate I have never claimed that utilizing welfare is inherently wrong. Can you quote me stating that, Herr Eric? And do you deny that many on the welfare rolls are abusing said rolls, Herr Eric? On 9/9/2014 1:14 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: It's irrelevant why...the fact is conservatives use more welfare than liberals do. It's not, as Herr Rick is claiming, that liberals are abusing the generosity of Americans...that would be conservatives. -Original Message- From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 11:02 AM To: cf-community Subject: RE: Democrats set to lose the senate Because they are older and in areas that were more heavily hit by the loss of our industrial sector. On Sep 9, 2014 11:49 AM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote: Then why is it that the bulk of the people on welfare programs are conservatives? Red states consume more way more welfare dollars than blue states do. -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 10:23 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Democrats set to lose the senate Let's start with 'personal responsibility'. Liberals have abused the generosity of the American Public to the point that welfare is now a way of life for half our population. On 9/9/2014 11:11 AM, William Bowen wrote: mmm... excellent bogeymen all... Rick, it was your initial statement, care to elaborate on your American values? On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 8:07 AM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote: Slavery, spousal abuse and firing invasion seen to be common threads. On Sep 9, 2014 11:02 AM, William Bowen william.bo...@gmail.com wrote: It's time to fight for American values and virtue and not surrender this nation to those who would only destroy it. And what precisely, pray tell, are these American values? -- will If my life weren't funny, it would just be true; and that would just be unacceptable. - Carrie Fisher ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372199 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Democrats set to lose the senate
Then, let's see the evidence, Herr Eric. Provide the quote. (And by the way, your some...yes...many...no response doesn't line up with my questions and makes little sense.) On 9/9/2014 2:02 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: Some...yes...many...no. -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 12:36 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Democrats set to lose the senate I have never claimed that utilizing welfare is inherently wrong. Can you quote me stating that, Herr Eric? And do you deny that many on the welfare rolls are abusing said rolls, Herr Eric? On 9/9/2014 1:14 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: It's irrelevant why...the fact is conservatives use more welfare than liberals do. It's not, as Herr Rick is claiming, that liberals are abusing the generosity of Americans...that would be conservatives. -Original Message- From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 11:02 AM To: cf-community Subject: RE: Democrats set to lose the senate Because they are older and in areas that were more heavily hit by the loss of our industrial sector. On Sep 9, 2014 11:49 AM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote: Then why is it that the bulk of the people on welfare programs are conservatives? Red states consume more way more welfare dollars than blue states do. -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 10:23 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Democrats set to lose the senate Let's start with 'personal responsibility'. Liberals have abused the generosity of the American Public to the point that welfare is now a way of life for half our population. On 9/9/2014 11:11 AM, William Bowen wrote: mmm... excellent bogeymen all... Rick, it was your initial statement, care to elaborate on your American values? On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 8:07 AM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote: Slavery, spousal abuse and firing invasion seen to be common threads. On Sep 9, 2014 11:02 AM, William Bowen william.bo...@gmail.com wrote: It's time to fight for American values and virtue and not surrender this nation to those who would only destroy it. And what precisely, pray tell, are these American values? -- will If my life weren't funny, it would just be true; and that would just be unacceptable. - Carrie Fisher ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372203 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Democrats set to lose the senate
Lets see the proof that many do Rick...you made the initial claim... 8.7% BTW...that is not many... http://federalsafetynet.com/welfare-fraud.html Here's one state's results of it's search for wefare fraud... http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2014/01/08/3136631/lepage-welfare/ Here's another that says its 2-3% http://www.roanen.com/presidential-thoughts-blog/how-much-is-welfare-fraud-c osting-us Here's another at 2% http://spritzophrenia.wordpress.com/2011/01/04/how-bad-is-welfare-fraud-in-t he-usa/ Sounds to me like it is more like some than many. Yes ther are people abusing it...there always will be...but the bulk of the people are not abusing it and are people that really need it. Eric -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 1:09 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Democrats set to lose the senate Then, let's see the evidence, Herr Eric. Provide the quote. (And by the way, your some...yes...many...no response doesn't line up with my questions and makes little sense.) On 9/9/2014 2:02 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: Some...yes...many...no. -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 12:36 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Democrats set to lose the senate I have never claimed that utilizing welfare is inherently wrong. Can you quote me stating that, Herr Eric? And do you deny that many on the welfare rolls are abusing said rolls, Herr Eric? On 9/9/2014 1:14 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: It's irrelevant why...the fact is conservatives use more welfare than liberals do. It's not, as Herr Rick is claiming, that liberals are abusing the generosity of Americans...that would be conservatives. -Original Message- From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 11:02 AM To: cf-community Subject: RE: Democrats set to lose the senate Because they are older and in areas that were more heavily hit by the loss of our industrial sector. On Sep 9, 2014 11:49 AM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote: Then why is it that the bulk of the people on welfare programs are conservatives? Red states consume more way more welfare dollars than blue states do. -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 10:23 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Democrats set to lose the senate Let's start with 'personal responsibility'. Liberals have abused the generosity of the American Public to the point that welfare is now a way of life for half our population. On 9/9/2014 11:11 AM, William Bowen wrote: mmm... excellent bogeymen all... Rick, it was your initial statement, care to elaborate on your American values? On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 8:07 AM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote: Slavery, spousal abuse and firing invasion seen to be common threads. On Sep 9, 2014 11:02 AM, William Bowen william.bo...@gmail.com wrote: It's time to fight for American values and virtue and not surrender this nation to those who would only destroy it. And what precisely, pray tell, are these American values? -- will If my life weren't funny, it would just be true; and that would just be unacceptable. - Carrie Fisher ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372245 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Democrats set to lose the senate
And the VA provides the best health services in the world.. On Sep 9, 2014 4:51 PM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote: Lets see the proof that many do Rick...you made the initial claim... 8.7% BTW...that is not many... http://federalsafetynet.com/welfare-fraud.html Here's one state's results of it's search for wefare fraud... http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2014/01/08/3136631/lepage-welfare/ Here's another that says its 2-3% http://www.roanen.com/presidential-thoughts-blog/how-much-is-welfare-fraud-c osting-us Here's another at 2% http://spritzophrenia.wordpress.com/2011/01/04/how-bad-is-welfare-fraud-in-t he-usa/ Sounds to me like it is more like some than many. Yes ther are people abusing it...there always will be...but the bulk of the people are not abusing it and are people that really need it. Eric -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 1:09 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Democrats set to lose the senate Then, let's see the evidence, Herr Eric. Provide the quote. (And by the way, your some...yes...many...no response doesn't line up with my questions and makes little sense.) On 9/9/2014 2:02 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: Some...yes...many...no. -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 12:36 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Democrats set to lose the senate I have never claimed that utilizing welfare is inherently wrong. Can you quote me stating that, Herr Eric? And do you deny that many on the welfare rolls are abusing said rolls, Herr Eric? On 9/9/2014 1:14 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: It's irrelevant why...the fact is conservatives use more welfare than liberals do. It's not, as Herr Rick is claiming, that liberals are abusing the generosity of Americans...that would be conservatives. -Original Message- From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 11:02 AM To: cf-community Subject: RE: Democrats set to lose the senate Because they are older and in areas that were more heavily hit by the loss of our industrial sector. On Sep 9, 2014 11:49 AM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote: Then why is it that the bulk of the people on welfare programs are conservatives? Red states consume more way more welfare dollars than blue states do. -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 10:23 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Democrats set to lose the senate Let's start with 'personal responsibility'. Liberals have abused the generosity of the American Public to the point that welfare is now a way of life for half our population. On 9/9/2014 11:11 AM, William Bowen wrote: mmm... excellent bogeymen all... Rick, it was your initial statement, care to elaborate on your American values? On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 8:07 AM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote: Slavery, spousal abuse and firing invasion seen to be common threads. On Sep 9, 2014 11:02 AM, William Bowen william.bo...@gmail.com wrote: It's time to fight for American values and virtue and not surrender this nation to those who would only destroy it. And what precisely, pray tell, are these American values? -- will If my life weren't funny, it would just be true; and that would just be unacceptable. - Carrie Fisher ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372247 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Democrats set to lose the senate
Those were more or less the same results when the system in England was examined. A lot of hyperbole was being thrown around which were not matched by reality. On 9 September 2014 16:50, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote: http://www.roanen.com/presidential-thoughts-blog/how-much-is-welfare-fraud-c osting-us Here's another at 2% ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372249 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Democrats set to lose the senate
Speaking of the VA, I found this funny. And sad. And funny. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10205150521469065set=a.10200795020304258.2213235.1425649256type=1theater On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 4:53 PM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote: Those were more or less the same results when the system in England was examined. A lot of hyperbole was being thrown around which were not matched by reality. On 9 September 2014 16:50, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote: http://www.roanen.com/presidential-thoughts-blog/how-much-is-welfare-fraud-c osting-us Here's another at 2% ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372252 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Democrats set to lose the senate
Some VA's do Tim...but this has nothing to do with welfare -Original Message- From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 3:52 PM To: cf-community Subject: RE: Democrats set to lose the senate And the VA provides the best health services in the world.. On Sep 9, 2014 4:51 PM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote: Lets see the proof that many do Rick...you made the initial claim... 8.7% BTW...that is not many... http://federalsafetynet.com/welfare-fraud.html Here's one state's results of it's search for wefare fraud... http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2014/01/08/3136631/lepage-welfare/ Here's another that says its 2-3% http://www.roanen.com/presidential-thoughts-blog/how-much-is-welfare-f raud-c osting-us Here's another at 2% http://spritzophrenia.wordpress.com/2011/01/04/how-bad-is-welfare-frau d-in-t he-usa/ Sounds to me like it is more like some than many. Yes ther are people abusing it...there always will be...but the bulk of the people are not abusing it and are people that really need it. Eric -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 1:09 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Democrats set to lose the senate Then, let's see the evidence, Herr Eric. Provide the quote. (And by the way, your some...yes...many...no response doesn't line up with my questions and makes little sense.) On 9/9/2014 2:02 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: Some...yes...many...no. -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 12:36 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Democrats set to lose the senate I have never claimed that utilizing welfare is inherently wrong. Can you quote me stating that, Herr Eric? And do you deny that many on the welfare rolls are abusing said rolls, Herr Eric? On 9/9/2014 1:14 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: It's irrelevant why...the fact is conservatives use more welfare than liberals do. It's not, as Herr Rick is claiming, that liberals are abusing the generosity of Americans...that would be conservatives. -Original Message- From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 11:02 AM To: cf-community Subject: RE: Democrats set to lose the senate Because they are older and in areas that were more heavily hit by the loss of our industrial sector. On Sep 9, 2014 11:49 AM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote: Then why is it that the bulk of the people on welfare programs are conservatives? Red states consume more way more welfare dollars than blue states do. -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 10:23 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Democrats set to lose the senate Let's start with 'personal responsibility'. Liberals have abused the generosity of the American Public to the point that welfare is now a way of life for half our population. On 9/9/2014 11:11 AM, William Bowen wrote: mmm... excellent bogeymen all... Rick, it was your initial statement, care to elaborate on your American values? On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 8:07 AM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote: Slavery, spousal abuse and firing invasion seen to be common threads. On Sep 9, 2014 11:02 AM, William Bowen william.bo...@gmail.com wrote: It's time to fight for American values and virtue and not surrender this nation to those who would only destroy it. And what precisely, pray tell, are these American values? -- will If my life weren't funny, it would just be true; and that would just be unacceptable. - Carrie Fisher ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372253 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Democrats set to lose the senate
The comment was in relation to internal government studies and self oversight. Those numbers are a joke. On Sep 9, 2014 5:24 PM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote: Some VA's do Tim...but this has nothing to do with welfare -Original Message- From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 3:52 PM To: cf-community Subject: RE: Democrats set to lose the senate And the VA provides the best health services in the world.. On Sep 9, 2014 4:51 PM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote: Lets see the proof that many do Rick...you made the initial claim... 8.7% BTW...that is not many... http://federalsafetynet.com/welfare-fraud.html Here's one state's results of it's search for wefare fraud... http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2014/01/08/3136631/lepage-welfare/ Here's another that says its 2-3% http://www.roanen.com/presidential-thoughts-blog/how-much-is-welfare-f raud-c osting-us Here's another at 2% http://spritzophrenia.wordpress.com/2011/01/04/how-bad-is-welfare-frau d-in-t he-usa/ Sounds to me like it is more like some than many. Yes ther are people abusing it...there always will be...but the bulk of the people are not abusing it and are people that really need it. Eric -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 1:09 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Democrats set to lose the senate Then, let's see the evidence, Herr Eric. Provide the quote. (And by the way, your some...yes...many...no response doesn't line up with my questions and makes little sense.) On 9/9/2014 2:02 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: Some...yes...many...no. -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 12:36 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Democrats set to lose the senate I have never claimed that utilizing welfare is inherently wrong. Can you quote me stating that, Herr Eric? And do you deny that many on the welfare rolls are abusing said rolls, Herr Eric? On 9/9/2014 1:14 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: It's irrelevant why...the fact is conservatives use more welfare than liberals do. It's not, as Herr Rick is claiming, that liberals are abusing the generosity of Americans...that would be conservatives. -Original Message- From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 11:02 AM To: cf-community Subject: RE: Democrats set to lose the senate Because they are older and in areas that were more heavily hit by the loss of our industrial sector. On Sep 9, 2014 11:49 AM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote: Then why is it that the bulk of the people on welfare programs are conservatives? Red states consume more way more welfare dollars than blue states do. -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 10:23 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Democrats set to lose the senate Let's start with 'personal responsibility'. Liberals have abused the generosity of the American Public to the point that welfare is now a way of life for half our population. On 9/9/2014 11:11 AM, William Bowen wrote: mmm... excellent bogeymen all... Rick, it was your initial statement, care to elaborate on your American values? On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 8:07 AM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote: Slavery, spousal abuse and firing invasion seen to be common threads. On Sep 9, 2014 11:02 AM, William Bowen william.bo...@gmail.com wrote: It's time to fight for American values and virtue and not surrender this nation to those who would only destroy it. And what precisely, pray tell, are these American values? -- will If my life weren't funny, it would just be true; and that would just be unacceptable. - Carrie Fisher ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372255 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Democrats set to lose the senate
LOL...most of those are not internal numbers... -Original Message- From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 4:34 PM To: cf-community Subject: RE: Democrats set to lose the senate The comment was in relation to internal government studies and self oversight. Those numbers are a joke. On Sep 9, 2014 5:24 PM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote: Some VA's do Tim...but this has nothing to do with welfare -Original Message- From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 3:52 PM To: cf-community Subject: RE: Democrats set to lose the senate And the VA provides the best health services in the world.. On Sep 9, 2014 4:51 PM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote: Lets see the proof that many do Rick...you made the initial claim... 8.7% BTW...that is not many... http://federalsafetynet.com/welfare-fraud.html Here's one state's results of it's search for wefare fraud... http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2014/01/08/3136631/lepage-welfare/ Here's another that says its 2-3% http://www.roanen.com/presidential-thoughts-blog/how-much-is-welfare -f raud-c osting-us Here's another at 2% http://spritzophrenia.wordpress.com/2011/01/04/how-bad-is-welfare-fr au d-in-t he-usa/ Sounds to me like it is more like some than many. Yes ther are people abusing it...there always will be...but the bulk of the people are not abusing it and are people that really need it. Eric -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 1:09 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Democrats set to lose the senate Then, let's see the evidence, Herr Eric. Provide the quote. (And by the way, your some...yes...many...no response doesn't line up with my questions and makes little sense.) On 9/9/2014 2:02 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: Some...yes...many...no. -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 12:36 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Democrats set to lose the senate I have never claimed that utilizing welfare is inherently wrong. Can you quote me stating that, Herr Eric? And do you deny that many on the welfare rolls are abusing said rolls, Herr Eric? On 9/9/2014 1:14 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: It's irrelevant why...the fact is conservatives use more welfare than liberals do. It's not, as Herr Rick is claiming, that liberals are abusing the generosity of Americans...that would be conservatives. -Original Message- From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 11:02 AM To: cf-community Subject: RE: Democrats set to lose the senate Because they are older and in areas that were more heavily hit by the loss of our industrial sector. On Sep 9, 2014 11:49 AM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote: Then why is it that the bulk of the people on welfare programs are conservatives? Red states consume more way more welfare dollars than blue states do. -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 10:23 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Democrats set to lose the senate Let's start with 'personal responsibility'. Liberals have abused the generosity of the American Public to the point that welfare is now a way of life for half our population. On 9/9/2014 11:11 AM, William Bowen wrote: mmm... excellent bogeymen all... Rick, it was your initial statement, care to elaborate on your American values? On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 8:07 AM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote: Slavery, spousal abuse and firing invasion seen to be common threads. On Sep 9, 2014 11:02 AM, William Bowen william.bo...@gmail.com wrote: It's time to fight for American values and virtue and not surrender this nation to those who would only destroy it. And what precisely, pray tell, are these American values? -- will If my life weren't funny, it would just be true; and that would just be unacceptable. - Carrie Fisher ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372256 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Democrats set to lose the senate
And I'm telling you that at a minimum the food stamp program is corrupt as hell. These numbers are so far outside the norm if urban experience as to be ridiculous. On Sep 9, 2014 6:01 PM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote: LOL...most of those are not internal numbers... -Original Message- From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 4:34 PM To: cf-community Subject: RE: Democrats set to lose the senate The comment was in relation to internal government studies and self oversight. Those numbers are a joke. On Sep 9, 2014 5:24 PM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote: Some VA's do Tim...but this has nothing to do with welfare -Original Message- From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 3:52 PM To: cf-community Subject: RE: Democrats set to lose the senate And the VA provides the best health services in the world.. On Sep 9, 2014 4:51 PM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote: Lets see the proof that many do Rick...you made the initial claim... 8.7% BTW...that is not many... http://federalsafetynet.com/welfare-fraud.html Here's one state's results of it's search for wefare fraud... http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2014/01/08/3136631/lepage-welfare/ Here's another that says its 2-3% http://www.roanen.com/presidential-thoughts-blog/how-much-is-welfare -f raud-c osting-us Here's another at 2% http://spritzophrenia.wordpress.com/2011/01/04/how-bad-is-welfare-fr au d-in-t he-usa/ Sounds to me like it is more like some than many. Yes ther are people abusing it...there always will be...but the bulk of the people are not abusing it and are people that really need it. Eric -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 1:09 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Democrats set to lose the senate Then, let's see the evidence, Herr Eric. Provide the quote. (And by the way, your some...yes...many...no response doesn't line up with my questions and makes little sense.) On 9/9/2014 2:02 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: Some...yes...many...no. -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 12:36 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Democrats set to lose the senate I have never claimed that utilizing welfare is inherently wrong. Can you quote me stating that, Herr Eric? And do you deny that many on the welfare rolls are abusing said rolls, Herr Eric? On 9/9/2014 1:14 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: It's irrelevant why...the fact is conservatives use more welfare than liberals do. It's not, as Herr Rick is claiming, that liberals are abusing the generosity of Americans...that would be conservatives. -Original Message- From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 11:02 AM To: cf-community Subject: RE: Democrats set to lose the senate Because they are older and in areas that were more heavily hit by the loss of our industrial sector. On Sep 9, 2014 11:49 AM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote: Then why is it that the bulk of the people on welfare programs are conservatives? Red states consume more way more welfare dollars than blue states do. -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 10:23 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Democrats set to lose the senate Let's start with 'personal responsibility'. Liberals have abused the generosity of the American Public to the point that welfare is now a way of life for half our population. On 9/9/2014 11:11 AM, William Bowen wrote: mmm... excellent bogeymen all... Rick, it was your initial statement, care to elaborate on your American values? On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 8:07 AM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote: Slavery, spousal abuse and firing invasion seen to be common threads. On Sep 9, 2014 11:02 AM, William Bowen william.bo...@gmail.com wrote: It's time to fight for American values and virtue and not surrender this nation to those who would only destroy it. And what precisely, pray tell, are these American values? -- will If my life weren't funny, it would just be true; and that would just be unacceptable. - Carrie Fisher ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com
Re: Democrats set to lose the senate
My concern was mostly over long-term dependency abuse: http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2010/06/confronting-the-unsustainable-growth-of-welfare-entitlements-principles-of-reform-and-the-next-steps?query=Confronting+the+Unsustainable+Growth+of+Welfare+Entitlements:+Principles+of+Reform+and+the+Next+Step#_ftn12 Food Stamp Expenditures Go To Those With Long-Term Dependence Percent of Total Food Stamp Spending for Non-Elderly Adults and Children, 1979-1998 3.4% - Less Than 1 Year of Dependency 6.2% - 1 to 2 Years of Dependency 20.8% - 2 to 5 Years of Dependency 28.9% - 5 to 10 Years of Dependency 40.8% - 10+ Years of Dependency On 9/9/2014 4:50 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: Lets see the proof that many do Rick...you made the initial claim... 8.7% BTW...that is not many... http://federalsafetynet.com/welfare-fraud.html Here's one state's results of it's search for wefare fraud... http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2014/01/08/3136631/lepage-welfare/ Here's another that says its 2-3% http://www.roanen.com/presidential-thoughts-blog/how-much-is-welfare-fraud-c osting-us Here's another at 2% http://spritzophrenia.wordpress.com/2011/01/04/how-bad-is-welfare-fraud-in-t he-usa/ Sounds to me like it is more like some than many. Yes ther are people abusing it...there always will be...but the bulk of the people are not abusing it and are people that really need it. Eric -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 1:09 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Democrats set to lose the senate Then, let's see the evidence, Herr Eric. Provide the quote. (And by the way, your some...yes...many...no response doesn't line up with my questions and makes little sense.) On 9/9/2014 2:02 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: Some...yes...many...no. -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 12:36 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Democrats set to lose the senate I have never claimed that utilizing welfare is inherently wrong. Can you quote me stating that, Herr Eric? And do you deny that many on the welfare rolls are abusing said rolls, Herr Eric? On 9/9/2014 1:14 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: It's irrelevant why...the fact is conservatives use more welfare than liberals do. It's not, as Herr Rick is claiming, that liberals are abusing the generosity of Americans...that would be conservatives. -Original Message- From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 11:02 AM To: cf-community Subject: RE: Democrats set to lose the senate Because they are older and in areas that were more heavily hit by the loss of our industrial sector. On Sep 9, 2014 11:49 AM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote: Then why is it that the bulk of the people on welfare programs are conservatives? Red states consume more way more welfare dollars than blue states do. -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 10:23 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Democrats set to lose the senate Let's start with 'personal responsibility'. Liberals have abused the generosity of the American Public to the point that welfare is now a way of life for half our population. On 9/9/2014 11:11 AM, William Bowen wrote: mmm... excellent bogeymen all... Rick, it was your initial statement, care to elaborate on your American values? On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 8:07 AM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote: Slavery, spousal abuse and firing invasion seen to be common threads. On Sep 9, 2014 11:02 AM, William Bowen william.bo...@gmail.com wrote: It's time to fight for American values and virtue and not surrender this nation to those who would only destroy it. And what precisely, pray tell, are these American values? -- will If my life weren't funny, it would just be true; and that would just be unacceptable. - Carrie Fisher ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372258 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Democrats set to lose the senate
Allowing people to just survive doesn't help them escape poverty. What actually seems to make a difference is giving them money to lift them out of poverty. http://www.economist.com/news/international/21588385-giving-money-directly-poor-people-works-surprisingly-well-it-cannot-deal On 9 September 2014 18:45, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: My concern was mostly over long-term dependency abuse: http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2010/06/confronting-the-unsustainable-growth-of-welfare-entitlements-principles-of-reform-and-the-next-steps?query=Confronting+the+Unsustainable+Growth+of+Welfare+Entitlements:+Principles+of+Reform+and+the+Next+Step#_ftn12 Food Stamp Expenditures Go To Those With Long-Term Dependence Percent of Total Food Stamp Spending for Non-Elderly Adults and Children, 1979-1998 3.4% - Less Than 1 Year of Dependency 6.2% - 1 to 2 Years of Dependency 20.8% - 2 to 5 Years of Dependency 28.9% - 5 to 10 Years of Dependency 40.8% - 10+ Years of Dependency ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372259 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Democrats set to lose the senate
Yeah...because there aren't a bunch of people still out of work and unable to pay for food...right Tim...keep up the paranoia brother...show me the proof...not just a paranoid I just know it is... -Original Message- From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 5:03 PM To: cf-community Subject: RE: Democrats set to lose the senate And I'm telling you that at a minimum the food stamp program is corrupt as hell. These numbers are so far outside the norm if urban experience as to be ridiculous. On Sep 9, 2014 6:01 PM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote: LOL...most of those are not internal numbers... -Original Message- From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 4:34 PM To: cf-community Subject: RE: Democrats set to lose the senate The comment was in relation to internal government studies and self oversight. Those numbers are a joke. On Sep 9, 2014 5:24 PM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote: Some VA's do Tim...but this has nothing to do with welfare -Original Message- From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 3:52 PM To: cf-community Subject: RE: Democrats set to lose the senate And the VA provides the best health services in the world.. On Sep 9, 2014 4:51 PM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote: Lets see the proof that many do Rick...you made the initial claim... 8.7% BTW...that is not many... http://federalsafetynet.com/welfare-fraud.html Here's one state's results of it's search for wefare fraud... http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2014/01/08/3136631/lepage-welfare / Here's another that says its 2-3% http://www.roanen.com/presidential-thoughts-blog/how-much-is-welfa re -f raud-c osting-us Here's another at 2% http://spritzophrenia.wordpress.com/2011/01/04/how-bad-is-welfare- fr au d-in-t he-usa/ Sounds to me like it is more like some than many. Yes ther are people abusing it...there always will be...but the bulk of the people are not abusing it and are people that really need it. Eric -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 1:09 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Democrats set to lose the senate Then, let's see the evidence, Herr Eric. Provide the quote. (And by the way, your some...yes...many...no response doesn't line up with my questions and makes little sense.) On 9/9/2014 2:02 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: Some...yes...many...no. -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 12:36 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Democrats set to lose the senate I have never claimed that utilizing welfare is inherently wrong. Can you quote me stating that, Herr Eric? And do you deny that many on the welfare rolls are abusing said rolls, Herr Eric? On 9/9/2014 1:14 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: It's irrelevant why...the fact is conservatives use more welfare than liberals do. It's not, as Herr Rick is claiming, that liberals are abusing the generosity of Americans...that would be conservatives. -Original Message- From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 11:02 AM To: cf-community Subject: RE: Democrats set to lose the senate Because they are older and in areas that were more heavily hit by the loss of our industrial sector. On Sep 9, 2014 11:49 AM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote: Then why is it that the bulk of the people on welfare programs are conservatives? Red states consume more way more welfare dollars than blue states do. -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 10:23 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Democrats set to lose the senate Let's start with 'personal responsibility'. Liberals have abused the generosity of the American Public to the point that welfare is now a way of life for half our population. On 9/9/2014 11:11 AM, William Bowen wrote: mmm... excellent bogeymen all... Rick, it was your initial statement, care to elaborate on your American values? On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 8:07 AM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote: Slavery, spousal abuse and firing invasion seen to be common threads. On Sep 9, 2014 11:02 AM, William Bowen william.bo...@gmail.com wrote: It's time to fight for American values and virtue and not surrender this nation to those who would only
Re: Democrats set to lose the senate
That's not the government's job or concern. On Sep 9, 2014 6:51 PM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote: Allowing people to just survive doesn't help them escape poverty. What actually seems to make a difference is giving them money to lift them out of poverty. http://www.economist.com/news/international/21588385-giving-money-directly-poor-people-works-surprisingly-well-it-cannot-deal On 9 September 2014 18:45, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: My concern was mostly over long-term dependency abuse: http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2010/06/confronting-the-unsustainable-growth-of-welfare-entitlements-principles-of-reform-and-the-next-steps?query=Confronting+the+Unsustainable+Growth+of+Welfare+Entitlements:+Principles+of+Reform+and+the+Next+Step#_ftn12 Food Stamp Expenditures Go To Those With Long-Term Dependence Percent of Total Food Stamp Spending for Non-Elderly Adults and Children, 1979-1998 3.4% - Less Than 1 Year of Dependency 6.2% - 1 to 2 Years of Dependency 20.8% - 2 to 5 Years of Dependency 28.9% - 5 to 10 Years of Dependency 40.8% - 10+ Years of Dependency ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372262 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
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http://twitchy.com/2012/04/19/twitter-users-discuss-buying-and-selling-food-stamps/ On Sep 9, 2014 6:53 PM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote: Yeah...because there aren't a bunch of people still out of work and unable to pay for food...right Tim...keep up the paranoia brother...show me the proof...not just a paranoid I just know it is... -Original Message- From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 5:03 PM To: cf-community Subject: RE: Democrats set to lose the senate And I'm telling you that at a minimum the food stamp program is corrupt as hell. These numbers are so far outside the norm if urban experience as to be ridiculous. On Sep 9, 2014 6:01 PM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote: LOL...most of those are not internal numbers... -Original Message- From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 4:34 PM To: cf-community Subject: RE: Democrats set to lose the senate The comment was in relation to internal government studies and self oversight. Those numbers are a joke. On Sep 9, 2014 5:24 PM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote: Some VA's do Tim...but this has nothing to do with welfare -Original Message- From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 3:52 PM To: cf-community Subject: RE: Democrats set to lose the senate And the VA provides the best health services in the world.. On Sep 9, 2014 4:51 PM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote: Lets see the proof that many do Rick...you made the initial claim... 8.7% BTW...that is not many... http://federalsafetynet.com/welfare-fraud.html Here's one state's results of it's search for wefare fraud... http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2014/01/08/3136631/lepage-welfare / Here's another that says its 2-3% http://www.roanen.com/presidential-thoughts-blog/how-much-is-welfa re -f raud-c osting-us Here's another at 2% http://spritzophrenia.wordpress.com/2011/01/04/how-bad-is-welfare- fr au d-in-t he-usa/ Sounds to me like it is more like some than many. Yes ther are people abusing it...there always will be...but the bulk of the people are not abusing it and are people that really need it. Eric -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 1:09 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Democrats set to lose the senate Then, let's see the evidence, Herr Eric. Provide the quote. (And by the way, your some...yes...many...no response doesn't line up with my questions and makes little sense.) On 9/9/2014 2:02 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: Some...yes...many...no. -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 12:36 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Democrats set to lose the senate I have never claimed that utilizing welfare is inherently wrong. Can you quote me stating that, Herr Eric? And do you deny that many on the welfare rolls are abusing said rolls, Herr Eric? On 9/9/2014 1:14 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: It's irrelevant why...the fact is conservatives use more welfare than liberals do. It's not, as Herr Rick is claiming, that liberals are abusing the generosity of Americans...that would be conservatives. -Original Message- From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 11:02 AM To: cf-community Subject: RE: Democrats set to lose the senate Because they are older and in areas that were more heavily hit by the loss of our industrial sector. On Sep 9, 2014 11:49 AM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote: Then why is it that the bulk of the people on welfare programs are conservatives? Red states consume more way more welfare dollars than blue states do. -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 10:23 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Democrats set to lose the senate Let's start with 'personal responsibility'. Liberals have abused the generosity of the American Public to the point that welfare is now a way of life for half our population. On 9/9/2014 11:11 AM, William Bowen wrote: mmm... excellent bogeymen all... Rick, it was your initial statement, care to elaborate on your American values? On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 8:07 AM, LRS Scout
RE: Democrats set to lose the senate
You can't get honesty out of any government agency. There's a new report of some abuse even crime every day. For Christ sake the CIA Judd got busted out spying on senators doing their oversight. IRS and DOJ are out of control What planet do you live on On Sep 9, 2014 6:53 PM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote: Yeah...because there aren't a bunch of people still out of work and unable to pay for food...right Tim...keep up the paranoia brother...show me the proof...not just a paranoid I just know it is... -Original Message- From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 5:03 PM To: cf-community Subject: RE: Democrats set to lose the senate And I'm telling you that at a minimum the food stamp program is corrupt as hell. These numbers are so far outside the norm if urban experience as to be ridiculous. On Sep 9, 2014 6:01 PM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote: LOL...most of those are not internal numbers... -Original Message- From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 4:34 PM To: cf-community Subject: RE: Democrats set to lose the senate The comment was in relation to internal government studies and self oversight. Those numbers are a joke. On Sep 9, 2014 5:24 PM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote: Some VA's do Tim...but this has nothing to do with welfare -Original Message- From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 3:52 PM To: cf-community Subject: RE: Democrats set to lose the senate And the VA provides the best health services in the world.. On Sep 9, 2014 4:51 PM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote: Lets see the proof that many do Rick...you made the initial claim... 8.7% BTW...that is not many... http://federalsafetynet.com/welfare-fraud.html Here's one state's results of it's search for wefare fraud... http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2014/01/08/3136631/lepage-welfare / Here's another that says its 2-3% http://www.roanen.com/presidential-thoughts-blog/how-much-is-welfa re -f raud-c osting-us Here's another at 2% http://spritzophrenia.wordpress.com/2011/01/04/how-bad-is-welfare- fr au d-in-t he-usa/ Sounds to me like it is more like some than many. Yes ther are people abusing it...there always will be...but the bulk of the people are not abusing it and are people that really need it. Eric -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 1:09 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Democrats set to lose the senate Then, let's see the evidence, Herr Eric. Provide the quote. (And by the way, your some...yes...many...no response doesn't line up with my questions and makes little sense.) On 9/9/2014 2:02 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: Some...yes...many...no. -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 12:36 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Democrats set to lose the senate I have never claimed that utilizing welfare is inherently wrong. Can you quote me stating that, Herr Eric? And do you deny that many on the welfare rolls are abusing said rolls, Herr Eric? On 9/9/2014 1:14 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: It's irrelevant why...the fact is conservatives use more welfare than liberals do. It's not, as Herr Rick is claiming, that liberals are abusing the generosity of Americans...that would be conservatives. -Original Message- From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 11:02 AM To: cf-community Subject: RE: Democrats set to lose the senate Because they are older and in areas that were more heavily hit by the loss of our industrial sector. On Sep 9, 2014 11:49 AM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote: Then why is it that the bulk of the people on welfare programs are conservatives? Red states consume more way more welfare dollars than blue states do. -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 10:23 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Democrats set to lose the senate Let's start with 'personal responsibility'. Liberals have abused the generosity of the American Public to the point that welfare is now a way of life for half our population. On 9/9/2014 11:11 AM, William Bowen wrote: mmm... excellent bogeymen all
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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/19/us/food-stamp-fraud-in-the-underground-economy.html Yes, there is some fraud in the Snap Program, but much less than in other programs. It baffled me that people get so upset about food stamp fraud but won't blink at corruption in the weapons or financial industries. Methinks the priorities are skewed. On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 6:03 PM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote: And I'm telling you that at a minimum the food stamp program is corrupt as hell. These numbers are so far outside the norm if urban experience as to be ridiculous. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372265 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
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You know I want to shut down the standing army for the most part. That has nothing to do with this point. On Sep 9, 2014 7:20 PM, Maureen mamamaur...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/19/us/food-stamp-fraud-in-the-underground-economy.html Yes, there is some fraud in the Snap Program, but much less than in other programs. It baffled me that people get so upset about food stamp fraud but won't blink at corruption in the weapons or financial industries. Methinks the priorities are skewed. On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 6:03 PM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote: And I'm telling you that at a minimum the food stamp program is corrupt as hell. These numbers are so far outside the norm if urban experience as to be ridiculous. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372266 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
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Those numbers are from more than 15 years ago, and massive reform has happened since then. You need a better source than the spin and disinformation from the Heritage Foundation nonsense. Confirmation bias could be your middle name. On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 6:45 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: My concern was mostly over long-term dependency abuse: http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2010/06/confronting-the-unsustainable-growth-of-welfare-entitlements-principles-of-reform-and-the-next-steps?query=Confronting+the+Unsustainable+Growth+of+Welfare+Entitlements:+Principles+of+Reform+and+the+Next+Step#_ftn12 Food Stamp Expenditures Go To Those With Long-Term Dependence Percent of Total Food Stamp Spending for Non-Elderly Adults and Children, 1979-1998 ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372267 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Democrats set to lose the senate
Of course it is. Remember that clause that says provide for the general welfare. Plus the fact that money spent on care and food for the elderly and impoverished goes right back into the economy. The war of poverty has been one of the more successful government programs in terms of raising the standard of living and education in the US. Even if all the government does is work with business to raise the standard of living and income, it matters. Much more so than providing weapons and aid to foreign governments that ends up in the hands of those who become our enemies. I say again: priorities. Tax dollars should not only be spent on the rich. On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 7:07 PM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote: That's not the government's job or concern. On Sep 9, 2014 6:51 PM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote: Allowing people to just survive doesn't help them escape poverty. What actually seems to make a difference is giving them money to lift them out of poverty. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372268 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Democrats set to lose the senate
Yes it is, unless you just ignore history. -Original Message- From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 6:07 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Democrats set to lose the senate That's not the government's job or concern. On Sep 9, 2014 6:51 PM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote: Allowing people to just survive doesn't help them escape poverty. What actually seems to make a difference is giving them money to lift them out of poverty. http://www.economist.com/news/international/21588385-giving-money-dire ctly-poor-people-works-surprisingly-well-it-cannot-deal On 9 September 2014 18:45, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: My concern was mostly over long-term dependency abuse: http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2010/06/confronting-the-unsus tainable-growth-of-welfare-entitlements-principles-of-reform-and-the-n ext-steps?query=Confronting+the+Unsustainable+Growth+of+Welfare+Entitl ements:+Principles+of+Reform+and+the+Next+Step#_ftn12 Food Stamp Expenditures Go To Those With Long-Term Dependence Percent of Total Food Stamp Spending for Non-Elderly Adults and Children, 1979-1998 3.4% - Less Than 1 Year of Dependency 6.2% - 1 to 2 Years of Dependency 20.8% - 2 to 5 Years of Dependency 28.9% - 5 to 10 Years of Dependency 40.8% - 10+ Years of Dependency ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372270 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Democrats set to lose the senate
Blah blah blah blahseriously Tim... -Original Message- From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 6:15 PM To: cf-community Subject: RE: Democrats set to lose the senate You can't get honesty out of any government agency. There's a new report of some abuse even crime every day. For Christ sake the CIA Judd got busted out spying on senators doing their oversight. IRS and DOJ are out of control What planet do you live on On Sep 9, 2014 6:53 PM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote: Yeah...because there aren't a bunch of people still out of work and unable to pay for food...right Tim...keep up the paranoia brother...show me the proof...not just a paranoid I just know it is... -Original Message- From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 5:03 PM To: cf-community Subject: RE: Democrats set to lose the senate And I'm telling you that at a minimum the food stamp program is corrupt as hell. These numbers are so far outside the norm if urban experience as to be ridiculous. On Sep 9, 2014 6:01 PM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote: LOL...most of those are not internal numbers... -Original Message- From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 4:34 PM To: cf-community Subject: RE: Democrats set to lose the senate The comment was in relation to internal government studies and self oversight. Those numbers are a joke. On Sep 9, 2014 5:24 PM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote: Some VA's do Tim...but this has nothing to do with welfare -Original Message- From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 3:52 PM To: cf-community Subject: RE: Democrats set to lose the senate And the VA provides the best health services in the world.. On Sep 9, 2014 4:51 PM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote: Lets see the proof that many do Rick...you made the initial claim... 8.7% BTW...that is not many... http://federalsafetynet.com/welfare-fraud.html Here's one state's results of it's search for wefare fraud... http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2014/01/08/3136631/lepage-welfa re / Here's another that says its 2-3% http://www.roanen.com/presidential-thoughts-blog/how-much-is-wel fa re -f raud-c osting-us Here's another at 2% http://spritzophrenia.wordpress.com/2011/01/04/how-bad-is-welfar e- fr au d-in-t he-usa/ Sounds to me like it is more like some than many. Yes ther are people abusing it...there always will be...but the bulk of the people are not abusing it and are people that really need it. Eric -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 1:09 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Democrats set to lose the senate Then, let's see the evidence, Herr Eric. Provide the quote. (And by the way, your some...yes...many...no response doesn't line up with my questions and makes little sense.) On 9/9/2014 2:02 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: Some...yes...many...no. -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 12:36 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Democrats set to lose the senate I have never claimed that utilizing welfare is inherently wrong. Can you quote me stating that, Herr Eric? And do you deny that many on the welfare rolls are abusing said rolls, Herr Eric? On 9/9/2014 1:14 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: It's irrelevant why...the fact is conservatives use more welfare than liberals do. It's not, as Herr Rick is claiming, that liberals are abusing the generosity of Americans...that would be conservatives. -Original Message- From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 11:02 AM To: cf-community Subject: RE: Democrats set to lose the senate Because they are older and in areas that were more heavily hit by the loss of our industrial sector. On Sep 9, 2014 11:49 AM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote: Then why is it that the bulk of the people on welfare programs are conservatives? Red states consume more way more welfare dollars than blue states do. -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 10:23 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Democrats set to lose the senate Let's start with 'personal
RE: Democrats set to lose the senate
Exactly...or all of the corporate welfare that goes to multi-billion dollar corporations... -Original Message- From: Maureen [mailto:mamamaur...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 6:20 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Democrats set to lose the senate http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/19/us/food-stamp-fraud-in-the-underground-eco nomy.html Yes, there is some fraud in the Snap Program, but much less than in other programs. It baffled me that people get so upset about food stamp fraud but won't blink at corruption in the weapons or financial industries. Methinks the priorities are skewed. On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 6:03 PM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote: And I'm telling you that at a minimum the food stamp program is corrupt as hell. These numbers are so far outside the norm if urban experience as to be ridiculous. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372275 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Democrats set to lose the senate
That wouldn't be very practical. I am all for force reductions...but I don't think getting rid of the standing army would be very good for our defense. That would leave us pretty defenseless. It's not like we would be fighting against a bunch of guys with muskets and cannons...we need to have the skilled soldiers that today's technology requires. -Original Message- From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 6:22 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Democrats set to lose the senate You know I want to shut down the standing army for the most part. That has nothing to do with this point. On Sep 9, 2014 7:20 PM, Maureen mamamaur...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/19/us/food-stamp-fraud-in-the-undergrou nd-economy.html Yes, there is some fraud in the Snap Program, but much less than in other programs. It baffled me that people get so upset about food stamp fraud but won't blink at corruption in the weapons or financial industries. Methinks the priorities are skewed. On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 6:03 PM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote: And I'm telling you that at a minimum the food stamp program is corrupt as hell. These numbers are so far outside the norm if urban experience as to be ridiculous. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372276 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Democrats set to lose the senate
Do you have information that disputes what I shared, old though it may be Maureen? If so, I'd be happy to see it. I'll guarantee that things have only gotten worse under the expansion of dependency of the Obama Administration. And, FYI, Maureen, the Heritage Foundation got those statistics from the US Department of Labor. If you had bothered to check my citation, you would have known it came from the US Government. Here's some more info. This is from the 2013 Index of Dependence on Government created by the Heritage Foundation. If you have preferred source that refutes this analysis, bring it on. 69.4 percent of federal spending now goes to dependence-creating programs, up dramatically from 21.2 percent in 1962 and 48.5 percent in 1990. Read the entire report and find your own facts and bring them forward if you can refute these findings. http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2013/11/the-2013-index-of-dependence-on-government On 9/9/2014 7:22 PM, Maureen wrote: Those numbers are from more than 15 years ago, and massive reform has happened since then. You need a better source than the spin and disinformation from the Heritage Foundation nonsense. Confirmation bias could be your middle name. On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 6:45 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: My concern was mostly over long-term dependency abuse: http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2010/06/confronting-the-unsustainable-growth-of-welfare-entitlements-principles-of-reform-and-the-next-steps?query=Confronting+the+Unsustainable+Growth+of+Welfare+Entitlements:+Principles+of+Reform+and+the+Next+Step#_ftn12 Food Stamp Expenditures Go To Those With Long-Term Dependence Percent of Total Food Stamp Spending for Non-Elderly Adults and Children, 1979-1998 ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372278 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Democrats set to lose the senate
You don't understand general vs individual welfare, Maureen. The Federal governments job is to protect the nation as a whole, not every individual that makes up the nation. Scout was right. It is not the job of the Federal government to provide people with food to eat, clothes to wear, and a roof over their heads. After decades of a failed social experiment of rampant welfare, we, as a nation, are seeing the results of handing out money to people too lazy to earn it. If nothing else, people can clean up the streets, mow grass along the side of the highways and do other honorable work to earn their keep. If they don't like these types of jobs, then find something better. It's time people got off their lazy behinds (those that are abusing the system) and earn their keep instead of having it handed to them without cost. I can find plenty of work for people to do. Put me in charge of the US Labor Department and some things will get done. On 9/9/2014 7:25 PM, Maureen wrote: Of course it is. Remember that clause that says provide for the general welfare. Plus the fact that money spent on care and food for the elderly and impoverished goes right back into the economy. The war of poverty has been one of the more successful government programs in terms of raising the standard of living and education in the US. Even if all the government does is work with business to raise the standard of living and income, it matters. Much more so than providing weapons and aid to foreign governments that ends up in the hands of those who become our enemies. I say again: priorities. Tax dollars should not only be spent on the rich. On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 7:07 PM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote: That's not the government's job or concern. On Sep 9, 2014 6:51 PM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote: Allowing people to just survive doesn't help them escape poverty. What actually seems to make a difference is giving them money to lift them out of poverty. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372279 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Democrats set to lose the senate
Why in the world would you want to shut down the standing army, Scout? Do you not think this nation has enemy against which we must be ready to defend ourselves? On 9/9/2014 7:21 PM, LRS Scout wrote: You know I want to shut down the standing army for the most part. That has nothing to do with this point. On Sep 9, 2014 7:20 PM, Maureen mamamaur...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/19/us/food-stamp-fraud-in-the-underground-economy.html Yes, there is some fraud in the Snap Program, but much less than in other programs. It baffled me that people get so upset about food stamp fraud but won't blink at corruption in the weapons or financial industries. Methinks the priorities are skewed. On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 6:03 PM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote: And I'm telling you that at a minimum the food stamp program is corrupt as hell. These numbers are so far outside the norm if urban experience as to be ridiculous. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372281 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Democrats set to lose the senate
What!? I agree with Eric! So it ain't so! On 9/9/2014 8:09 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: That wouldn't be very practical. I am all for force reductions...but I don't think getting rid of the standing army would be very good for our defense. That would leave us pretty defenseless. It's not like we would be fighting against a bunch of guys with muskets and cannons...we need to have the skilled soldiers that today's technology requires. -Original Message- From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 6:22 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Democrats set to lose the senate You know I want to shut down the standing army for the most part. That has nothing to do with this point. On Sep 9, 2014 7:20 PM, Maureen mamamaur...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/19/us/food-stamp-fraud-in-the-undergrou nd-economy.html Yes, there is some fraud in the Snap Program, but much less than in other programs. It baffled me that people get so upset about food stamp fraud but won't blink at corruption in the weapons or financial industries. Methinks the priorities are skewed. On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 6:03 PM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote: And I'm telling you that at a minimum the food stamp program is corrupt as hell. These numbers are so far outside the norm if urban experience as to be ridiculous. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372282 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Democrats set to lose the senate
Any type of fraud is unacceptable... On 9/9/2014 8:08 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: Exactly...or all of the corporate welfare that goes to multi-billion dollar corporations... -Original Message- From: Maureen [mailto:mamamaur...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 6:20 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Democrats set to lose the senate http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/19/us/food-stamp-fraud-in-the-underground-eco nomy.html Yes, there is some fraud in the Snap Program, but much less than in other programs. It baffled me that people get so upset about food stamp fraud but won't blink at corruption in the weapons or financial industries. Methinks the priorities are skewed. On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 6:03 PM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote: And I'm telling you that at a minimum the food stamp program is corrupt as hell. These numbers are so far outside the norm if urban experience as to be ridiculous. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372283 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Democrats set to lose the senate
That can come here and do us harm? Not one. A true border defense force and nationwide conscription in militia in time of need, shared sacrifice and no foreign entanglements. On Sep 9, 2014 8:26 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: Why in the world would you want to shut down the standing army, Scout? Do you not think this nation has enemy against which we must be ready to defend ourselves? On 9/9/2014 7:21 PM, LRS Scout wrote: You know I want to shut down the standing army for the most part. That has nothing to do with this point. On Sep 9, 2014 7:20 PM, Maureen mamamaur...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/19/us/food-stamp-fraud-in-the-underground-economy.html Yes, there is some fraud in the Snap Program, but much less than in other programs. It baffled me that people get so upset about food stamp fraud but won't blink at corruption in the weapons or financial industries. Methinks the priorities are skewed. On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 6:03 PM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote: And I'm telling you that at a minimum the food stamp program is corrupt as hell. These numbers are so far outside the norm if urban experience as to be ridiculous. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372285 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Democrats set to lose the senate
Twice even...looking to see if the sky is falling... -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 7:26 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Democrats set to lose the senate What!? I agree with Eric! So it ain't so! On 9/9/2014 8:09 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: That wouldn't be very practical. I am all for force reductions...but I don't think getting rid of the standing army would be very good for our defense. That would leave us pretty defenseless. It's not like we would be fighting against a bunch of guys with muskets and cannons...we need to have the skilled soldiers that today's technology requires. -Original Message- From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 6:22 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Democrats set to lose the senate You know I want to shut down the standing army for the most part. That has nothing to do with this point. On Sep 9, 2014 7:20 PM, Maureen mamamaur...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/19/us/food-stamp-fraud-in-the-undergro u nd-economy.html Yes, there is some fraud in the Snap Program, but much less than in other programs. It baffled me that people get so upset about food stamp fraud but won't blink at corruption in the weapons or financial industries. Methinks the priorities are skewed. On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 6:03 PM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote: And I'm telling you that at a minimum the food stamp program is corrupt as hell. These numbers are so far outside the norm if urban experience as to be ridiculous. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372287 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Democrats set to lose the senate
You can't protect a nation by allowing the citizens of that nation to suffer. You can't protect a nation by taking the hard earned dollars of the working class and giving it to rich and their corporate minions. You can't protect a nation by letting children starve while you enrich the weapons industry with pointless wars. You are only interested in the welfare of the nation when it enriches those whose propaganda you believe and you are unwilling to consider compassion or help to anyone those propagandists have denigrated. Keep your soul, if you have one, in a bank vault. As long as people like those you support are in charge, it might be safe there, and you certainly appear to have no use for it in the real world. On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 8:21 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: You don't understand general vs individual welfare, Maureen. The Federal governments job is to protect the nation as a whole, not every individual that makes up the nation. Scout was right. It is not the job of the Federal government to provide people with food to eat, clothes to wear, and a roof over their heads. After decades of a failed social experiment of rampant welfare, we, as a nation, are seeing the results of handing out money to people too lazy to earn it. If nothing else, people can clean up the streets, mow grass along the side of the highways and do other honorable work to earn their keep. If they don't like these types of jobs, then find something better. It's time people got off their lazy behinds (those that are abusing the system) and earn their keep instead of having it handed to them without cost. I can find plenty of work for people to do. Put me in charge of the US Labor Department and some things will get done. On 9/9/2014 7:25 PM, Maureen wrote: Of course it is. Remember that clause that says provide for the general welfare. Plus the fact that money spent on care and food for the elderly and impoverished goes right back into the economy. The war of poverty has been one of the more successful government programs in terms of raising the standard of living and education in the US. Even if all the government does is work with business to raise the standard of living and income, it matters. Much more so than providing weapons and aid to foreign governments that ends up in the hands of those who become our enemies. I say again: priorities. Tax dollars should not only be spent on the rich. On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 7:07 PM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote: That's not the government's job or concern. On Sep 9, 2014 6:51 PM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote: Allowing people to just survive doesn't help them escape poverty. What actually seems to make a difference is giving them money to lift them out of poverty. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372289 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Democrats set to lose the senate
The reason we switched away from a militia system is that it could no longer serve our national defense needs. You are way behind the curve man. -Original Message- From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 7:33 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Democrats set to lose the senate That can come here and do us harm? Not one. A true border defense force and nationwide conscription in militia in time of need, shared sacrifice and no foreign entanglements. On Sep 9, 2014 8:26 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: Why in the world would you want to shut down the standing army, Scout? Do you not think this nation has enemy against which we must be ready to defend ourselves? On 9/9/2014 7:21 PM, LRS Scout wrote: You know I want to shut down the standing army for the most part. That has nothing to do with this point. On Sep 9, 2014 7:20 PM, Maureen mamamaur...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/19/us/food-stamp-fraud-in-the-undergrou nd-economy.html Yes, there is some fraud in the Snap Program, but much less than in other programs. It baffled me that people get so upset about food stamp fraud but won't blink at corruption in the weapons or financial industries. Methinks the priorities are skewed. On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 6:03 PM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote: And I'm telling you that at a minimum the food stamp program is corrupt as hell. These numbers are so far outside the norm if urban experience as to be ridiculous. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:372294 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
