RE: CFMX on FreeBSD

[Brandon Harper]

> 
> Has anyone been able to get CFMX and FreeBSD working together? 
> 

I got it working on CFMX RC1 last Spring or so with FreeBSD 4.5.  Keep
in mind that working means in standalone mode only and that Verity will
probably never work.  I didn't try to setup an ODBC connection.

> If so, have you experienced problems with this setup? Solutions?

After I finally got it setup, I realized the same flaw as when I got
JRun 2 running on FreeBSD.  Its kind of pointless to do because there
are no connectors to get it to work with Apache.  It's a fun project I
guess, but without being able to do much with the standalone webserver
such as multihoming, its not of any use to me.

Here are some very rough notes of my install if you're curious:

http://booms.net/article.php?story=20030104145852802

They are by no means thorough since I decided it was sort of a waste of
time to go back and document it properly, but perhaps it will be of some
help.  It was really pretty easy.

- Brandon

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RE: CF equivalent of phpinfo()?

[Joshua Miller]

Look in the CF Documentation under: CFML_Reference / Variables and
Reserved Words / CGI Environment Variables

There is a list of all of the CGI server and client variables that you
could use to create a server info page.

It doesn't include information on the datasources or the memory settings
or anything like that, you have to get into the ServiceFactory to get
some of that information.

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Subject: CF equivalent of phpinfo()?


Is there any way for someone without access to CF Admin (e.g. on shared
hosting) to output a full summary of the CF Server's settings, a la
PHP's phpinfo()?

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FED EX OR UPS SHIPPING LABEL TAG?

[Rafael Alan Bleiweiss]

Has anyone developed a Custom CF tag for, or implemented an off the shelf 
solution for automatically generating UPS or FedEx shipping labels?  What's 
this cost?  How insane is it to implement?  Does it require third party 
software?

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RE: CFLOCK/application vars

[Jim Davis]

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 11:38 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: CFLOCK/application vars
> 
> 
> In our application.cfm file we use a statement like
> 
> 
>   
>   
>   
> .


A few things:

1) Assuming you're using CF 5 or below then you also need to read-lock
the IsDefined() statement.  IsDefined() is a read of the application
scope.

2) You should EXTREMELY limit the amount of code in a lock, especially
an exclusive lock.  A general rule of thumb is that you shold reduce
code in locks to only CFSETs.

If the operation in this lock takes a long time (and you're locking
properly) then this will create a MARKED impact on performance under
load.

The code you present indicates a little bit of a misunderstanding about
locking.  It's heart is in the right place, so to speak, but it's not
really doing the job.

I invite you to read my in-depth guide to locking in ColdFusion for more
information:
http://www.depressedpress.com/DepressedPress/Content/ColdFusion/Guides/L
ocking/Index.cfm

The guide is most applicable to CF 5 and below, but the concepts are
sound in CFMX.  The main difference is that CFMX doesn't suffer the
stability problems a lack of locking in CF 5- had.  So, for example, in
CFMX you don't have to lock that IsDefined().

Jim Davis


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CF equivalent of phpinfo()?

[Gyrus]

Is there any way for someone without access to CF Admin (e.g. on shared
hosting) to output a full summary of the CF Server's settings, a la PHP's
phpinfo()?

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CFLOCK/application vars

[brook]

In our application.cfm file we use a statement like





.

Sometimes getting the exchange rate can take a long time. We have several 
other scripts that check for application vars and create them if they do 
not exist. I'm wondering how this would effect a busy site. If a user hit 
the page while another user was in the process of initially building the 
application vars, would the second user also try to populate the vars?

Brook


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RE: Starting CF with cfstart.bat - Can you assign an account?

[brook]

Dave,

When I use the runas command, it asks for a password. Is it possible to 
pass a password to the runas program so that it can be automated? Also, if 
I use net start instead, will it always start the service under  the 
account listed, even when called from a script?

Brook

At 09:29 PM 1/31/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> > Actually, the cfstart.bat file in CFMX (sorry, I
> > should have said), triggers jrun.exe with a single
> > flag -start. The CFMX Service doesn't even report
> > to be running when starting it this way. What I
> > really need is a list of flags that can be passed
> > to Jrun at startup.
> >
> > I really need to have it start up under a user account.
> > Anybody have any idea?
>
>Why not just configure the service to run as the desired user, then start it
>yourself using:
>
>net start "ColdFusion MX Application Server"
>
>Since the cfstart.bat file runs CFMX as an application, you'd have to run
>the batch file as the desired user to get CFMX to run as that user. You can
>either login as that user, or in Windows 2000, use runas (type "runas" at a
>command prompt for more information). If you're running Windows NT, I think
>there's a "su" utility in the NT Resource Kit.
>
>Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
>http://www.figleaf.com/
>voice: (202) 797-5496
>fax: (202) 797-5444
>
>
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Orion Server & CFMX J2EE

[Erik Yowell]

Out of curiosity, has anyone tried CFMX J2EE w/ Orion J2EE Server. (
http:// www.orionserver.com   ) I know,
it's still on the unsupported list, but I've heard some good things and
performance reports on the product and was considering evaluating the
two. At the very least Orion's work with OpenSymphony (
http://www.opensymphony.com   )and WebWork
are very interestnig. Any advice as to where to start?

 

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ot java menu from db

[Dave Lyons]

sorry if this is repeated, I couldn't find anything in the archives that quite worked

I want to be able on a registration page for the user to enter their zip code and have 
it automatically enter the state and city. Either without having input fields for city 
and state or having it set the input fields automatically depending on the zip code.
I do have a db table with all the zip codes, cities & states (thanks to everyone who 
sent me those db's)
if anyone has some code or knows a good tut for these, I'd appreciate it!
thanks

Dave 





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Re: setting db in the application template

[Dave Lyons]

thanks dave
figured it was something like that
Dave


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- Original Message -
From: "Dave Watts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 9:12 PM
Subject: RE: setting db in the application template


> > can I add a connection in my Application.cfm template
> > for my db connection?
> > what I am doing is creating the db on my local machine
> > using access 2002 which I don't use a username or password.
> > When I go live I will upsize it to ms sql 2000 on the
> > live server which of course will need a username and
> > password. So I was thinking that I could make the
> > connection in the application.cfm template then only
> > have to make the db change there when I go live. Is
> > that correct? If so what would be the correct way to
> > do it? I was thinking that I'd just have to do a
> >  then when I go live add the
> > username and password but my heads up my bumm at the
> > moment so I don't know
>
> All you have to do is create a new datasource in the CF Administrator,
then
> use that datasource in your application. To make this as easy as possible,
> you might create a variable in your Application.cfm file containing the
> datasource name:
>
> 
>
> Then, within all your CFQUERY tags, you could just do this:
>
> 
>
> When you switch to SQL Server, you'd just change your variable in
> Application.cfm to the new datasource.
>
> Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
> http://www.figleaf.com/
> voice: (202) 797-5496
> fax: (202) 797-5444
>
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RE: Starting CF with cfstart.bat - Can you assign an account?

[Dave Watts]

> Actually, the cfstart.bat file in CFMX (sorry, I 
> should have said), triggers jrun.exe with a single 
> flag -start. The CFMX Service doesn't even report 
> to be running when starting it this way. What I 
> really need is a list of flags that can be passed 
> to Jrun at startup.
> 
> I really need to have it start up under a user account. 
> Anybody have any idea?

Why not just configure the service to run as the desired user, then start it
yourself using:

net start "ColdFusion MX Application Server"

Since the cfstart.bat file runs CFMX as an application, you'd have to run
the batch file as the desired user to get CFMX to run as that user. You can
either login as that user, or in Windows 2000, use runas (type "runas" at a
command prompt for more information). If you're running Windows NT, I think
there's a "su" utility in the NT Resource Kit.

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Re: Starting CF with cfstart.bat - Can you assign an account?

[brook]

Actually, the cfstart.bat file in CFMX (sorry, I should have said), 
triggers jrun.exe with a single flag -start. The CFMX Service doesn't even 
report to be running when starting it this way. What I really need is a 
list of flags that can be passed to Jrun at startup.

I really need to have it start up under a user account. Anybody have any idea?

Brook

At 04:07 PM 1/31/2003 -0800, you wrote:
>No.
>
>The cfstart.bat file just scripts the "net start" command, and that command
>only accepts one parameter: service name.
>
>The service runs under whatever user name it was set up to run under in the
>services control panel.
>
>This is, however, not to say that what you want cannot be done.  All it
>would take is a script or program that:
>
>stops the service, if it is running
>runs a registry script to change the user name
>   Application Server  ObjectName="Someuser">
>starts the service
>
>At 03:03 PM 1/31/2003 -0800, you wrote:
> >Is there anyway to tell CF what account to run under when calling the
> >cfstart.bat file? Does it run under the local system account?
> >
> >Thanks for the help.
> >
> >Brook Davies
> >maracasmedia.com
>
>
>
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RE: setting db in the application template

[Dave Watts]

> can I add a connection in my Application.cfm template 
> for my db connection?
> what I am doing is creating the db on my local machine 
> using access 2002 which I don't use a username or password. 
> When I go live I will upsize it to ms sql 2000 on the 
> live server which of course will need a username and 
> password. So I was thinking that I could make the 
> connection in the application.cfm template then only 
> have to make the db change there when I go live. Is 
> that correct? If so what would be the correct way to 
> do it? I was thinking that I'd just have to do a 
>  then when I go live add the 
> username and password but my heads up my bumm at the 
> moment so I don't know

All you have to do is create a new datasource in the CF Administrator, then
use that datasource in your application. To make this as easy as possible,
you might create a variable in your Application.cfm file containing the
datasource name:



Then, within all your CFQUERY tags, you could just do this:



When you switch to SQL Server, you'd just change your variable in
Application.cfm to the new datasource.

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
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setting db in the application template

[Dave Lyons]

can I add a connection in my Application.cfm template for my db connection?
what I am doing is creating the db on my local machine using access 2002 which I don't 
use a username or password. When I go live I will upsize it to ms sql 2000 on the live 
server which of course will need a username and password.
So I was thinking that I could make the connection in the application.cfm template 
then only have to make the db change there when I go live. Is that correct?
If so what would be the correct way to do it?
I was thinking that I'd just have to do a 
then when I go live add the username and password
but my heads up my bumm at the moment so I don't know
thanks

Dave 
 


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RE: RE: CFCs - property access best practices

[Andy Ousterhout]

Makes sense.

Thanks

-Original Message-
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Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 5:58 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: RE: CFCs - property access best practices


2) No.  An Order class would be different than a Person class.

What you're think of is the "is-a" relationship.  For instance, a RushOrder
is an Order.  Therefore, you could extend Order to create a RushOrder class.

- Original Message -
From: Andy Ousterhout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Friday, January 31, 2003 2:39 pm
Subject: RE: CFCs - property access best practices

> Let me try to say back what I heard with an example to see if I
> understandcorrectly..
>
> A class is a generic form that is used to create specific objects as
> required.  Objects have a limited life, while classes live
> throughout the
> application.  For example, in an order management system, you may have
> classes for Users, Customers, People, Invoices, Orders and
> Payments.  When I
> create an new order, I instantiate the object from the Order
> Class, which
> contains definitions of all of the properties (or fields from my
> collegedays) and methods (no direct translation, but basically all
> of the
> activities that can happen to an order).
>
> Classes can build off of other classes in two ways:
>
> 1.  An Class can add additional properties and methods to an
> existing class,
> like User may extend Customer by adding User ID and Password
> properties and
> associated methods to those that already exist for a person.
> 2.  A Class can be built off of other classes, creating a "has-a"
> relationship.  For example, An Order is built off of multiple
> people (has-a
> Bill-To Person, has-a Ship-To Person, etc).  Is Order in this case a
> composite class?  Would a class like address be considered a Root
> class(fromVISIO).
>
> How'd I do?
>
> Andy
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Christian Cantrell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 2:58 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: CFCs - property access best practices
>
>
> Think of a class at a template or prototype from which object
> instancesare created.  Java files are compiled into class files,
> and class files
> are loaded from disk (usually) by the JVM's classloader and
> cached, and
> those classes are used to create instances of objects.  Also, you can
> typically think of object instances as having a relatively short life
> span.  Objects are usually instantiated, used for some purpose, and
> typically left to be garbage collected when they have gone out of
> scope.
> Does that make sense?
>
> Christian
>
> On Friday, January 31, 2003, at 10:05 AM, Andy Ousterhout wrote:
>
> > Thanks.
> >
> > I am so stoked about how easy this makes programming.  I am even
> > starting to
> > understand OO programming, although I still don't get what a
> class is.
> >  For
> > example, I thought that the Generic INVOICE was a class, while a
> > specific
> > Invoice was an object.  Now I am just confused.
> >
> > Oh well.  Keep coding and learn as you go.
> >
> > Andy
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 8:23 AM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: RE: CFCs - property access best practices
> >
> >
> > CFCs can go in 3 places:
> >
> > Webroot (and under web root)
> > CF mappings folders
> > Custom tag paths
> >
> > Where you put them depends on how you want to use them. If you
> plan on
> > using Flash Remoting (or using the CFC as a web service), you
> need to
> > put it under the webroot.
> >
> > p.s. You can also build a CFC to handle remote calls that works
> as a
> > 'broker' for your CFCs not under webroot. I believe SCorfield
> has an
> > article about that on macromedia.com.
> >
> >
> ===>
Raymond Camden, ColdFusion Jedi Master for Mindseye, Inc
> >
> > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > WWW  : www.camdenfamily.com/morpheus
> > Yahoo IM : morpheus
> >
> > "My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is." - Yoda
> >
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Andy Ousterhout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >> Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 6:17 PM
> >> To: CF-Talk
> >> Subject: RE: CFCs - property access best practices
> >>
> >>
> >> Where do I put my CFC files so that CF finds them?  Root
> >> directory?  Do I need to define the location within Admin?
> >>
> >> Andy
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >> Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 6:02 PM
> >> To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> >> Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> >> Subject: RE: CFCs - property access best practices
> >>
> >>
>  Furthermore, you want to use the unnamed scope for
>  your instance data
>  (and this seems to be a popular idiom):
> 
>   
>   
>   
>   
> >>>
> >>> What does:
> >>>   
> >>>
> >>> do for your component?
> >>
> >> If called from within one of 

Re: Starting CF with cfstart.bat - Can you assign an account?

[Cary Gordon]

No.

The cfstart.bat file just scripts the "net start" command, and that command 
only accepts one parameter: service name.

The service runs under whatever user name it was set up to run under in the 
services control panel.

This is, however, not to say that what you want cannot be done.  All it 
would take is a script or program that:

stops the service, if it is running
runs a registry script to change the user name
  
starts the service

At 03:03 PM 1/31/2003 -0800, you wrote:
>Is there anyway to tell CF what account to run under when calling the
>cfstart.bat file? Does it run under the local system account?
>
>Thanks for the help.
>
>Brook Davies
>maracasmedia.com


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Re: RE: CFCs - property access best practices

[ksuh]

2) No.  An Order class would be different than a Person class.

What you're think of is the "is-a" relationship.  For instance, a RushOrder is an 
Order.  Therefore, you could extend Order to create a RushOrder class.

- Original Message -
From: Andy Ousterhout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Friday, January 31, 2003 2:39 pm
Subject: RE: CFCs - property access best practices

> Let me try to say back what I heard with an example to see if I 
> understandcorrectly..
> 
> A class is a generic form that is used to create specific objects as
> required.  Objects have a limited life, while classes live 
> throughout the
> application.  For example, in an order management system, you may have
> classes for Users, Customers, People, Invoices, Orders and 
> Payments.  When I
> create an new order, I instantiate the object from the Order 
> Class, which
> contains definitions of all of the properties (or fields from my 
> collegedays) and methods (no direct translation, but basically all 
> of the
> activities that can happen to an order).
> 
> Classes can build off of other classes in two ways:
> 
> 1.  An Class can add additional properties and methods to an 
> existing class,
> like User may extend Customer by adding User ID and Password 
> properties and
> associated methods to those that already exist for a person.
> 2.  A Class can be built off of other classes, creating a "has-a"
> relationship.  For example, An Order is built off of multiple 
> people (has-a
> Bill-To Person, has-a Ship-To Person, etc).  Is Order in this case a
> composite class?  Would a class like address be considered a Root 
> class(fromVISIO).
> 
> How'd I do?
> 
> Andy
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Christian Cantrell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 2:58 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: CFCs - property access best practices
> 
> 
> Think of a class at a template or prototype from which object 
> instancesare created.  Java files are compiled into class files, 
> and class files
> are loaded from disk (usually) by the JVM's classloader and 
> cached, and
> those classes are used to create instances of objects.  Also, you can
> typically think of object instances as having a relatively short life
> span.  Objects are usually instantiated, used for some purpose, and
> typically left to be garbage collected when they have gone out of 
> scope.
> Does that make sense?
> 
> Christian
> 
> On Friday, January 31, 2003, at 10:05 AM, Andy Ousterhout wrote:
> 
> > Thanks.
> >
> > I am so stoked about how easy this makes programming.  I am even
> > starting to
> > understand OO programming, although I still don't get what a 
> class is.
> >  For
> > example, I thought that the Generic INVOICE was a class, while a
> > specific
> > Invoice was an object.  Now I am just confused.
> >
> > Oh well.  Keep coding and learn as you go.
> >
> > Andy
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 8:23 AM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: RE: CFCs - property access best practices
> >
> >
> > CFCs can go in 3 places:
> >
> > Webroot (and under web root)
> > CF mappings folders
> > Custom tag paths
> >
> > Where you put them depends on how you want to use them. If you 
> plan on
> > using Flash Remoting (or using the CFC as a web service), you 
> need to
> > put it under the webroot.
> >
> > p.s. You can also build a CFC to handle remote calls that works 
> as a
> > 'broker' for your CFCs not under webroot. I believe SCorfield 
> has an
> > article about that on macromedia.com.
> >
> > 
> ===> Raymond 
>Camden, ColdFusion Jedi Master for Mindseye, Inc
> >
> > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > WWW  : www.camdenfamily.com/morpheus
> > Yahoo IM : morpheus
> >
> > "My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is." - Yoda
> >
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Andy Ousterhout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >> Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 6:17 PM
> >> To: CF-Talk
> >> Subject: RE: CFCs - property access best practices
> >>
> >>
> >> Where do I put my CFC files so that CF finds them?  Root
> >> directory?  Do I need to define the location within Admin?
> >>
> >> Andy
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >> Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 6:02 PM
> >> To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> >> Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> >> Subject: RE: CFCs - property access best practices
> >>
> >>
>  Furthermore, you want to use the unnamed scope for
>  your instance data
>  (and this seems to be a popular idiom):
> 
>   
>   
>   
>   
> >>>
> >>> What does:
> >>>   
> >>>
> >>> do for your component?
> >>
> >> If called from within one of the component's functions, it
> >> would overwrite the structure "instance" with a new, empty
> >> structure, so all of the keys within the original structure
> >> would be 

RE: OOP, Custom Tags..

[Owens, Howard]

I've learned ... I've learned ... 

Before I ask a question on CF-Talk, and I do ask a lot of stupid questions,
I guess, so my system isn't perfect ... but ... 

-- Check my printed docs; check the online docs (especially now with
livedoc).
-- Search google
-- Search macromedia

If I still haven't found the answer, or something helpful, then I ask a
question.  I generally don't check the list archives, but I often find that
a frustrating exercise in trying to drill down to exactly what my issue is.
For some reason, I can rarely find the right post that answers my question,
and have to read through a lot of stuff that doesn't help me.  That's not to
say that I haven't used the archives successfully, and I still do try them
some times, if I feel my search params will be specific enough to extract
something helpful.

When I ask the question, especially on something complicated, I try to 

-- Include what steps I've taken to try and solve the problem
-- Include my code, or at least one snippet of one of my attempts to solve
my problem
-- as much detail as possible about what it is I'm trying to do.
-- version and platform and DB information, as relevant.

That still doesn't stop unhelpful answers ... and I consider an unhelpful
answer one that ignores the key question, and instead takes off on a
tangent.  That happens a lot on this list.

Still, I've got to say, this is still the best development community on the
net, as I've said before. CF-Talk rocks.  

I just thought I would post a little about what I learned over the last few
years on the best way to use this list, since the subject was addressed in
this thread.

H.



> -Original Message-
> From: webguy [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 3:44 PM
> To:   CF-Talk
> Subject:  RE: OOP, Custom Tags..
> 
> > But it's dang good advice. As the admin for cflib, you wouldn't believe
> > how many submissions we get for UDFs that mimic things CF already does -
> > simply because people don't bother to read the docs and see what CFML
> > can do.
> 
> yes sometimes a RTFM is apt.
> 
> I've always wondered if every mail that came to cf-talk was indexed
> (removing stop words) and when a message was sent to the list a
> auto-responder would search the archive and reply to the sender, with
> most likely mail threads and CF documentation, how well it would work.
> What % of questions would it answer you think?
> 
> WG
> 
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RE: OOP, Custom Tags..

[webguy]

> But it's dang good advice. As the admin for cflib, you wouldn't believe
> how many submissions we get for UDFs that mimic things CF already does -
> simply because people don't bother to read the docs and see what CFML
> can do.

yes sometimes a RTFM is apt.

I've always wondered if every mail that came to cf-talk was indexed
(removing stop words) and when a message was sent to the list a
auto-responder would search the archive and reply to the sender, with
most likely mail threads and CF documentation, how well it would work.
What % of questions would it answer you think?

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Re: SOT: Serv-U?

[Jochem van Dieten]

samcfug wrote:
> 
> Multiple FTP users using the same port will only be able to access the directory
> set up.  FTP on IIS will not allow the use of a single port and allow users to
> access directories based on user name.

Just name the FTP virtual directory the same as the username of the 
acoount used to log in and it works.

Jochem

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RE: SOT: Serv-U?

[Rick Faircloth]

I'll give a "thumbs-up" to that!  ;o)

Rick

>  -Original Message-
>  From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>  Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 5:09 PM
>  To: CF-Talk
>  Subject: RE: SOT: Serv-U?
>  
>  
>  > Yeah...come to think of it, she'd be better off just 
>  > putting the files onto a disk...believe it or not, 
>  > they'd probably fit on a floppy...
>  
>  I'd actually recommend one of the solid-state USB drives - 
>  "thumb-drives".
>  They work really well, they don't require drivers on newer 
>  computers, and
>  they're less prone to failure than floppy disks. Plus, their storage
>  capacity is a lot bigger.
>  
>  Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
>  http://www.figleaf.com/
>  voice: (202) 797-5496
>  fax: (202) 797-5444
>  
>  
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Re: SOT: Serv-U?

[samcfug]

|
| I'm not sure what the original poster meant by that, exactly. No, IIS's FTP
| server supports multiple users on the same port. I don't know how well it
| scales, but it can support more than one user at least!
|

Multiple FTP users using the same port will only be able to access the directory
set up.  FTP on IIS will not allow the use of a single port and allow users to
access directories based on user name.

As for IIS FTP and Serv_U coexisting, the answer is yes, they will co-exist, but
not on the same port.

=
Douglas White
group Manager
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.samcfug.org
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Re: Typing Test...calculating WPM

[cf-talk]

Some of the "professional" software that I've seen actually monitors you as
you type.  If you type a wrong key it will not accept it.  I don't really
consider this a great solution due to the simple fact that I'd get typing up
a storm, only to miss one character and realize several keystrokes later
that the program wasn't accepting my input!

I guess that's one way to teach 100% accuracy on data entry... (shrug)

Personally, I'd be more inclined to separate the words at the spaces and
consider a mistyped word as an error... then check the next word to see if
it was correct.  Of course the problem there is if the person gets multiple
words off.

The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog again.
The qui k brown fo x jumped over the lazy dog again.

Would be VERY off on errors if you were doing it in a linear fashion.  One
possible solution to this might be to compare the whole list at the same
time.

The (correct)
quick (error)
brown (correct)
fox (error)
jumped (correct)
over (correct)
the (correct)
lazy (correct)
dog (correct)
again. (correct)

80% accuracy (as far as comparing words goes)

-Novak

- Original Message -
From: "charlie griefer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 2:19 PM
Subject: Re: Typing Test...calculating WPM


> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> > I believe that the easiest way to calculate WPM is to count the
individual
> > characters.  Four non space characters make a word (my memory on this is
> > fuzzy).  So, if you typed 100 characters in one minute you'd be at
25WPM.
> >
> > You can then calculate the accuracy of what they typed.
> >
> > Check around on google for WPM calculations.  But I seem to recall that
was
> > the basic way of doing it.
>
> Yah, the basic calculation I'm okay with...i've done many google searches
on
> this so far, and none deal with how specifically to handle errors.
>
> Again, if I treat both the text that was typed, and the text that the user
> was typing as arrays and loop over them, and the user misses a single
word,
> everything after that will be wrong.  that just seems to be a bit
> harsh...but...if that's the way calculations are normally performed, so be
> it.  I just can't find anything online that addresses that.
>
> thx,
> charlie
>
>
>
> > -Novak
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "charlie griefer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 1:31 PM
> > Subject: WOT: Typing Test...calculating WPM
> >
> >
> >> Hey all:
> >>
> >> just for grins, I want to put up an online typing test.
> >>
> >> I can figure out most of how to do it... but one thing's concerning
me...
> >>
> >> If i basically take both strings (the text to type and what the user
> > typed),
> >> convert to an array using a space as a delimiter...loop over that and
> >> compare each word...
> >>
> >> well...what happens if the user skips the very first word?  everything
> > after
> >> that will be 'incorrect'.  Or if the user acciden tally puts a space in
a
> >> word.
> >>
> >> Is this 'standard' when calculating WPM?  Doesn't seem quite right to
me.
> >>
> >> If anybody knows a better way to calculate WPM including errors...i'd
> >> appreciate any advice i could get.
> >>
> >> TIA :)
> >> charlie
> >>
> >
> 
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Starting CF with cfstart.bat - Can you assign an account?

[brook]

Is there anyway to tell CF what account to run under when calling the 
cfstart.bat file? Does it run under the local system account?

Thanks for the help.

Brook Davies
maracasmedia.com


At 11:49 PM 1/31/2003 +0100, you wrote:
>paul smith wrote:
> > That's another question.  What is the list of vulnerabilities CFFILE 
> exposes?
>
>File system access. The implications of file system access should be
>described in the OS manual, but typically it means everything that is
>bad all at once.
>
>Jochem
>
>
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Re: Securing CFFILE (was OOP, Custom Tags..)

[Jochem van Dieten]

paul smith wrote:
> That's another question.  What is the list of vulnerabilities CFFILE exposes?

File system access. The implications of file system access should be 
described in the OS manual, but typically it means everything that is 
bad all at once.

Jochem

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RE: File Not Found Error

[Ryan Kime]

You're close. Here's a different approach for you.

Keep the "Check that file exists" and look in the Custom Errors tab for the
website in IIS MMC. Right-click on website>Properties>Custom Errors
tab...scroll down to 404 and either keep the standard IIS error page or Edit
and select URL from "Message Type" and put in a custom CF error page. That
way you could run application.cfm.

In addition, you might want to stop and start all the CF services PLUS stop
and start the "World Wide Web Publishing" service.


HTH,

Ryan

-Original Message-
From: Benjamin S. Rogers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 3:45 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: File Not Found Error


Hello,

We're testing ColdFusion MX and it seems it performs a bit differently than
earlier versions of ColdFusion in regards to non-existent files.
Specifically, in earlier versions of ColdFusion, if we unchecked the "Check
that file exists" option in the IIS application extension mapping for .cfm
pages, then we could trap requests for non-existent .cfm pages in the
Application.cfm.

This no longer seems to be the case with ColdFusion MX. ColdFusion MX throws
a generic "File not found" error when requesting non-existent files. In
other words, ColdFusion MX doesn't run the Application.cfm before throwing
the error as prior versions of ColdFusion do.

I've tried editing the web.xml file and adding the following servlet
mapping:


CfmServlet
*


That seems to work for those folks using search engine safe URLs, but it
didn't work in our case. We even went so far as to boot the server and
delete all the class files after making the change. Nada.

Anyway, if we're missing something, or anybody has any ideas, we'd
appreciate it. We've poured over the configuration files, news groups and
forums, and every bit of documentation we can find and haven't come across
anything.

Thanks.

Benjamin S. Rogers
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f.508.240.0057


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RE: Securing CFFILE (was OOP, Custom Tags..)

[paul smith]

That's another question.  What is the list of vulnerabilities CFFILE exposes?

best, paul

At 03:43 PM 1/31/03 -0500, you wrote:
> > Is a CFAS 5 solution securing CFFILE possible only
> > with Sandbox?
>
>Yes, if by securing it you mean allowing people to use it only within their
>own directories on a shared server. If, on the other hand, you mean keeping
>CF from touching files it shouldn't be able to touch, that's a different
>matter entirely:

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Re: Typing Test...calculating WPM

[charlie griefer]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 

> I believe that the easiest way to calculate WPM is to count the individual
> characters.  Four non space characters make a word (my memory on this is
> fuzzy).  So, if you typed 100 characters in one minute you'd be at 25WPM. 
> 
> You can then calculate the accuracy of what they typed. 
> 
> Check around on google for WPM calculations.  But I seem to recall that was
> the basic way of doing it.

Yah, the basic calculation I'm okay with...i've done many google searches on 
this so far, and none deal with how specifically to handle errors. 

Again, if I treat both the text that was typed, and the text that the user 
was typing as arrays and loop over them, and the user misses a single word, 
everything after that will be wrong.  that just seems to be a bit 
harsh...but...if that's the way calculations are normally performed, so be 
it.  I just can't find anything online that addresses that. 

thx,
charlie 

 

> -Novak 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "charlie griefer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 1:31 PM
> Subject: WOT: Typing Test...calculating WPM 
> 
> 
>> Hey all: 
>>
>> just for grins, I want to put up an online typing test. 
>>
>> I can figure out most of how to do it... but one thing's concerning me... 
>>
>> If i basically take both strings (the text to type and what the user
> typed),
>> convert to an array using a space as a delimiter...loop over that and
>> compare each word... 
>>
>> well...what happens if the user skips the very first word?  everything
> after
>> that will be 'incorrect'.  Or if the user acciden tally puts a space in a
>> word. 
>>
>> Is this 'standard' when calculating WPM?  Doesn't seem quite right to me. 
>>
>> If anybody knows a better way to calculate WPM including errors...i'd
>> appreciate any advice i could get. 
>>
>> TIA :)
>> charlie 
>> 
> 
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Re: Typing Test...calculating WPM

[cf-talk]

I believe that the easiest way to calculate WPM is to count the individual
characters.  Four non space characters make a word (my memory on this is
fuzzy).  So, if you typed 100 characters in one minute you'd be at 25WPM.

You can then calculate the accuracy of what they typed.

Check around on google for WPM calculations.  But I seem to recall that was
the basic way of doing it.

-Novak

- Original Message -
From: "charlie griefer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 1:31 PM
Subject: WOT: Typing Test...calculating WPM


> Hey all:
>
> just for grins, I want to put up an online typing test.
>
> I can figure out most of how to do it... but one thing's concerning me...
>
> If i basically take both strings (the text to type and what the user
typed),
> convert to an array using a space as a delimiter...loop over that and
> compare each word...
>
> well...what happens if the user skips the very first word?  everything
after
> that will be 'incorrect'.  Or if the user acciden tally puts a space in a
> word.
>
> Is this 'standard' when calculating WPM?  Doesn't seem quite right to me.
>
> If anybody knows a better way to calculate WPM including errors...i'd
> appreciate any advice i could get.
>
> TIA :)
> charlie
> 
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RE: SOT: Serv-U?

[Dave Watts]

> Yeah...come to think of it, she'd be better off just 
> putting the files onto a disk...believe it or not, 
> they'd probably fit on a floppy...

I'd actually recommend one of the solid-state USB drives - "thumb-drives".
They work really well, they don't require drivers on newer computers, and
they're less prone to failure than floppy disks. Plus, their storage
capacity is a lot bigger.

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Mac enthusiast

[Mark A. Kruger - CFG]

Talkers,

I need someone who is a MAC enthusiast and knows a bit about hardware to
contact me off list for a quick hardware question.  I'm looking for
information regarding setting up external disks, transfer rate etc  ... for
a multi-media shop in need of an upgrade.  I know you are out there .

-mk


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RE: SOT: Serv-U?

[Rick Faircloth]

Yeah...come to think of it, she'd be better off just putting the files
onto a disk...believe it or not, they'd probably fit on a floppy...
They've just gotten hyped up over the CF office app I built for them
which allows their central office to handle data and all their
partner companies to tap into their relevant info over the Internet,
and allows the public to access info from the database to promote
their services.  They like all that...and I'm *glad* they like it...
gd for business... ;o)

At least one good thing has come out of all this...I've learned a lot
about FTP programs available.  :o)

Thanks, everyone...

Rick


>  -Original Message-
>  From: Matt Robertson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>  Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 4:09 PM
>  To: CF-Talk
>  Subject: RE: SOT: Serv-U?
>
>
>  I should have read Rick's last post more carefully.  For
>  that use a portable HD is a better solution than messing
>  with your server.
>
>  They also make great offsite backup devices, especially for
>  large-but-not-collossal systems.  I lug around a 120 gb unit
>  for one client.  It and its cabling fit into a small padded
>  aluminum pistol case I got for US$20 at sportsmansguide.com.
>   Last week Office Depot had 80gb Maxtor units on sale here
>  in town for US$99.
>
>  ---
>   Matt Robertson, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbase.com
>  ---
>
>
>  -- Original Message --
>  From: Dave Watts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 13:54:46 -0500
>
>  >> I've done no FTP serving up to this point.
>  >> I had a client yesterday who asked about being able to
>  >> have a way to access documents on her PC at work
>  >> and at home, and I thought of an FTP site on my server.
>  >> (She's almost completely computer illiterate and doesn't
>  >> want to spend much money.)
>  >>
>  >> That would mean she'd have to upload and download
>  >> documents...not the best solution...I thought about VPN
>  >> or something like that (that I've never dealt with either),
>  >> but that seemed more complicated and probably more costly...
>  >
>  >There are any number of other options you might look at -
>  you could even
>  >just build a CF application that handles her uploads and
>  downloads! (Not
>  >that that would be the best solution in most cases, just
>  thought I'd throw
>  >it out there.) But you could look at WebDAV (when properly
>  configured, you
>  >can easily access and change MS Office documents through
>  it, for example).
>  >
>  >You might even consider the idea of portable storage - for
>  example, those
>  >USB drives you can get now. That would certainly be an easy
>  solution to
>  >implement, and you wouldn't have to deal with any software
>  at all, in most
>  >cases.
>  >
>  >> I tried to setup an FTP on Win2K, but even with
>  >> creating a User, assigning permissions, and
>  >> passwords, etc., I couldn't get in with that User's
>  >> password...seems like, based other comments in this
>  >> thread that each user has to have their own port...
>  >> rather than the default port of 21...didn't know
>  >> that. Maybe that's the problem.
>  >>
>  >> Does IIS FTP not have the capability of allowing
>  >> many users on one port? There's only so many ports
>  >> available to use! Right?
>  >
>  >I'm not sure what the original poster meant by that,
>  exactly. No, IIS's FTP
>  >server supports multiple users on the same port. I don't
>  know how well it
>  >scales, but it can support more than one user at least!
>  >
>  >There could, of course, be any number of other problems you
>  might have run
>  >into.
>  >
>  >Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
>  >http://www.figleaf.com/
>  >voice: (202) 797-5496
>  >fax: (202) 797-5444
>  >
>  >
>  
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RE: CFMX on FreeBSD

[Ben Arledge]

Thanks Jochem. :) If anyone else is interested, here's the link:

http://webforums.macromedia.com/coldfusion/messageview.cfm?catid=10&thre
adid=430738

Cheers,

Ben Arledge
www.arledge.net

-Original Message-
From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 1:50 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CFMX on FreeBSD


Ben Arledge wrote:
> Has anyone been able to get CFMX and FreeBSD working together?
> 
> If so, have you experienced problems with this setup? Solutions?

Details have been posted to the Macromedia Forums earlier this week. I 
think it was the Unix section, but use the search.

Jochem


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File Not Found Error

[Benjamin S. Rogers]

Hello,

We're testing ColdFusion MX and it seems it performs a bit differently
than earlier versions of ColdFusion in regards to non-existent files.
Specifically, in earlier versions of ColdFusion, if we unchecked the
"Check that file exists" option in the IIS application extension mapping
for .cfm pages, then we could trap requests for non-existent .cfm pages
in the Application.cfm.

This no longer seems to be the case with ColdFusion MX. ColdFusion MX
throws a generic "File not found" error when requesting non-existent
files. In other words, ColdFusion MX doesn't run the Application.cfm
before throwing the error as prior versions of ColdFusion do.

I've tried editing the web.xml file and adding the following servlet
mapping:


CfmServlet
*


That seems to work for those folks using search engine safe URLs, but it
didn't work in our case. We even went so far as to boot the server and
delete all the class files after making the change. Nada.

Anyway, if we're missing something, or anybody has any ideas, we'd
appreciate it. We've poured over the configuration files, news groups
and forums, and every bit of documentation we can find and haven't come
across anything.

Thanks.

Benjamin S. Rogers
http://www.c4.net/
v.508.240.0051
f.508.240.0057

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RE: CFCs - property access best practices

[Andy Ousterhout]

Let me try to say back what I heard with an example to see if I understand
correctly..

A class is a generic form that is used to create specific objects as
required.  Objects have a limited life, while classes live throughout the
application.  For example, in an order management system, you may have
classes for Users, Customers, People, Invoices, Orders and Payments.  When I
create an new order, I instantiate the object from the Order Class, which
contains definitions of all of the properties (or fields from my college
days) and methods (no direct translation, but basically all of the
activities that can happen to an order).

Classes can build off of other classes in two ways:

1.  An Class can add additional properties and methods to an existing class,
like User may extend Customer by adding User ID and Password properties and
associated methods to those that already exist for a person.
2.  A Class can be built off of other classes, creating a "has-a"
relationship.  For example, An Order is built off of multiple people (has-a
Bill-To Person, has-a Ship-To Person, etc).  Is Order in this case a
composite class?  Would a class like address be considered a Root class(from
VISIO).

How'd I do?

Andy


-Original Message-
From: Christian Cantrell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 2:58 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CFCs - property access best practices


Think of a class at a template or prototype from which object instances
are created.  Java files are compiled into class files, and class files
are loaded from disk (usually) by the JVM's classloader and cached, and
those classes are used to create instances of objects.  Also, you can
typically think of object instances as having a relatively short life
span.  Objects are usually instantiated, used for some purpose, and
typically left to be garbage collected when they have gone out of scope.

Does that make sense?

Christian

On Friday, January 31, 2003, at 10:05 AM, Andy Ousterhout wrote:

> Thanks.
>
> I am so stoked about how easy this makes programming.  I am even
> starting to
> understand OO programming, although I still don't get what a class is.
>  For
> example, I thought that the Generic INVOICE was a class, while a
> specific
> Invoice was an object.  Now I am just confused.
>
> Oh well.  Keep coding and learn as you go.
>
> Andy
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 8:23 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: CFCs - property access best practices
>
>
> CFCs can go in 3 places:
>
> Webroot (and under web root)
> CF mappings folders
> Custom tag paths
>
> Where you put them depends on how you want to use them. If you plan on
> using Flash Remoting (or using the CFC as a web service), you need to
> put it under the webroot.
>
> p.s. You can also build a CFC to handle remote calls that works as a
> 'broker' for your CFCs not under webroot. I believe SCorfield has an
> article about that on macromedia.com.
>
> ===
> Raymond Camden, ColdFusion Jedi Master for Mindseye, Inc
>
> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> WWW  : www.camdenfamily.com/morpheus
> Yahoo IM : morpheus
>
> "My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is." - Yoda
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Andy Ousterhout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 6:17 PM
>> To: CF-Talk
>> Subject: RE: CFCs - property access best practices
>>
>>
>> Where do I put my CFC files so that CF finds them?  Root
>> directory?  Do I need to define the location within Admin?
>>
>> Andy
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 6:02 PM
>> To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
>> Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
>> Subject: RE: CFCs - property access best practices
>>
>>
 Furthermore, you want to use the unnamed scope for
 your instance data
 (and this seems to be a popular idiom):





>>>
>>> What does:
>>> 
>>>
>>> do for your component?
>>
>> If called from within one of the component's functions, it
>> would overwrite the structure "instance" with a new, empty
>> structure, so all of the keys within the original structure
>> would be lost. It can't be called outside of the component,
>> since it's not exposed as a public member variable.
>>
>> Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
>> http://www.figleaf.com/
>> voice: (202) 797-5496
>> fax: (202) 797-5444
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

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WOT: Typing Test...calculating WPM

[charlie griefer]

Hey all: 

just for grins, I want to put up an online typing test. 

I can figure out most of how to do it... but one thing's concerning me... 

If i basically take both strings (the text to type and what the user typed), 
convert to an array using a space as a delimiter...loop over that and 
compare each word... 

well...what happens if the user skips the very first word?  everything after 
that will be 'incorrect'.  Or if the user acciden tally puts a space in a 
word. 

Is this 'standard' when calculating WPM?  Doesn't seem quite right to me. 

If anybody knows a better way to calculate WPM including errors...i'd 
appreciate any advice i could get. 

TIA :)
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RE: RDS/Database views timeout under CFMX

[Ken Wilson]

Nope, had not seen that tech note...thanks!

Ken
 


-Original Message-
From: Debbie Dickerson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 4:07 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: RDS/Database views timeout under CFMX


Have you tried the recommendation from this TechNote?
http://www.macromedia.com/v1/Handlers/index.cfm?ID=22293&Method=Full

Deb

-Original Message-
From: Ken Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 3:57 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RDS/Database views timeout under CFMX


Wondering if anyone might suggest a solution or direction to look in
solving a problem. When trying to expand the database tables list in the
CF Studio database tab we're getting a timeout error after about 30
seconds. The specific error is:

"The database objects could not be retrieved due to an error: Error -1
occured: The operation timed out."

The problem does not appear when accessing the database via CF5 Server,
only via CFMX. This particular database has a huge number of tables in
it so I'm guessing there must be a timeout setting somewhere in CFMX
that is controlling it. Smaller databases do not exhibit the problem.
The timeout that is kicking in is significantly shorter than the
timemout set in the DSN panel in CF Admin so I'm thinking this timeout
is being controlled elsewhere.

Has anyone seen and solved this problem already? Any ideas where I might
start a search...other than MM support. Not trying to shun them, just
prefer to investigate it a bit before whipping out my CC.  :)

Any suggestions appreciated.

Ken

 



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RE: RDS/Database views timeout under CFMX

[Debbie Dickerson]

Have you tried the recommendation from this TechNote?
http://www.macromedia.com/v1/Handlers/index.cfm?ID=22293&Method=Full

Deb

-Original Message-
From: Ken Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 3:57 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RDS/Database views timeout under CFMX


Wondering if anyone might suggest a solution or direction to look in
solving a problem. When trying to expand the database tables list in the
CF Studio database tab we're getting a timeout error after about 30
seconds. The specific error is:

"The database objects could not be retrieved due to an error: Error -1
occured: The operation timed out."

The problem does not appear when accessing the database via CF5 Server,
only via CFMX. This particular database has a huge number of tables in
it so I'm guessing there must be a timeout setting somewhere in CFMX
that is controlling it. Smaller databases do not exhibit the problem.
The timeout that is kicking in is significantly shorter than the
timemout set in the DSN panel in CF Admin so I'm thinking this timeout
is being controlled elsewhere.

Has anyone seen and solved this problem already? Any ideas where I might
start a search...other than MM support. Not trying to shun them, just
prefer to investigate it a bit before whipping out my CC.  :)

Any suggestions appreciated.

Ken

 


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Creating a COM object

[stas]

I've got a function that I need to converted from ASP to CF. The logic is
simple, but I am stumbled on how to create the actual object.

I've tried this, but the page just won't finish running. I've got everything
set up on my workstation, and the ASP version works. Thanks!

Does this look right as far as the object creation, compared to ASP below?




Function compose(CommandLine)
 Set dlc = CreateObject("DLQueueClient")
 Status = dlq.ConnectRemote("server", "username", "password", 30)
 If Status <> DLQ_ConnStatus_Connected Then Exit Function

 Set Job = CreateObject("DLQueueJob")
 Job.Name = "mailer"
 Job.CommandLine = CommandLine

 Error = dlq.SubmitJob(Job, 300, True)
End Function




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Lead generator

[Robert Everland]

Round and about, we are looking for a separate application, not related to
the above, and I thought of asking you if you may have something like it.
The application is a lead manager and email blaster. Basically it is a db
application to store leads and have sales people (each via separate login)
update records (which include contact info and sales process status) so we
can communicate with them about what's going on and confirm there are no
conflict with other sales efforts that take place. Additionally, we would
like to be able to group these leads and allow the sales people to do mass
mailings to their contacts (by the groups they set up).

Robert Everland III
Web Developer Extraordinaire
Dixon Ticonderoga Company
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(OT) Join Us at the Winter 2003 Technical Conference

[Michael Dinowitz]

The Southern California ColdFusion User Group (CFUG) is 

hosting a one-day technical event: The Winter 2003 Technical 

Conference. Seats are limited, so REGISTER NOW at:

http://www.sccfug.org/ 

~

SCCFUG is happy to present its third one-day technical 

conference. The two previous conferences (in 1998 and 2001) 

were smashing successes and we anticipate a great conference 

this year as well. There will be door prizes for the first 

50 people to register. 

The conference fee includes parking, drinks and snacks, 

a box lunch and a beverage. We'll be providing printed copies 

of presentations and will be making presentation materials 

available to registered attendees on the SCCFUG.ORG website 

shortly after the conference. 

A wide-range of speakers have already been confirmed,

including:

- Noted CF columnist and guru Charlie Arehart

- A special guest speaker from Macromedia (we're hoping it's Ben Forta again)

- Mike Brunt and Patrick Quinn of WebApper

- Mike O'Brien of Advanta Solutions, Inc.

- Marcleo Lewin, creator of the ColdFusion Toolbox

- Leon Chalnick, SCCFUG founder and co-author Ben Forta's CF.W.A.C.K. book

As of now, the topics planned will include:

- Dreamweaver MX for CF Studio Users

- ColdFusion Components

- Building and Using Web Services

- Working With XML in ColdFusion MX

- Securing ColdFusion Applications

- Using Fusebox With ColdFusion MX

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to seeing you at their conference!  If you have any questions

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We hope to see you there!

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RE: SOT: Serv-U?

[Matt Robertson]

I should have read Rick's last post more carefully.  For that use a portable HD is a 
better solution than messing with your server.  

They also make great offsite backup devices, especially for large-but-not-collossal 
systems.  I lug around a 120 gb unit for one client.  It and its cabling fit into a 
small padded aluminum pistol case I got for US$20 at sportsmansguide.com.  Last week 
Office Depot had 80gb Maxtor units on sale here in town for US$99.

---
 Matt Robertson, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbase.com
---


-- Original Message --
From: Dave Watts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 13:54:46 -0500

>> I've done no FTP serving up to this point.
>> I had a client yesterday who asked about being able to
>> have a way to access documents on her PC at work
>> and at home, and I thought of an FTP site on my server.
>> (She's almost completely computer illiterate and doesn't
>> want to spend much money.)
>> 
>> That would mean she'd have to upload and download
>> documents...not the best solution...I thought about VPN
>> or something like that (that I've never dealt with either),
>> but that seemed more complicated and probably more costly...
>
>There are any number of other options you might look at - you could even
>just build a CF application that handles her uploads and downloads! (Not
>that that would be the best solution in most cases, just thought I'd throw
>it out there.) But you could look at WebDAV (when properly configured, you
>can easily access and change MS Office documents through it, for example).
>
>You might even consider the idea of portable storage - for example, those
>USB drives you can get now. That would certainly be an easy solution to
>implement, and you wouldn't have to deal with any software at all, in most
>cases.
>
>> I tried to setup an FTP on Win2K, but even with 
>> creating a User, assigning permissions, and 
>> passwords, etc., I couldn't get in with that User's 
>> password...seems like, based other comments in this
>> thread that each user has to have their own port...
>> rather than the default port of 21...didn't know 
>> that. Maybe that's the problem.
>> 
>> Does IIS FTP not have the capability of allowing 
>> many users on one port? There's only so many ports 
>> available to use! Right?
>
>I'm not sure what the original poster meant by that, exactly. No, IIS's FTP
>server supports multiple users on the same port. I don't know how well it
>scales, but it can support more than one user at least!
>
>There could, of course, be any number of other problems you might have run
>into.
>
>Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
>http://www.figleaf.com/
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RE: Excel 'Lookup' Function

[Bruce, Rodney S HQISEC/Veridian IT Services]

you can look here and see if its any help


http://www.cfcomet.com/excel/

-Original Message-
From: Jillian Carroll [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 1:17 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Excel 'Lookup' Function


I'm really stumped here.
 
Can anybody tell me how to turn this Excel formula into CF friendly
code?
 
=LOOKUP(B58,$A47:$A52,B47:B52)+(B57/100)*(B167-LOOKUP(B57,$A39:$A45,B39:
B45))
 
I'd be forever in your debt!! :)
 
Thanks!
 
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RE: SOT: Serv-U?

[Matt Robertson]

Yes, and for US$40 or so you can have the standard ver of ServU to do it.  You'll be 
up and running in a few minutes.  However your client will also have to buy/learn an 
ftp client.  I've always preferred FTP Voyager, which by sheer coincidence is now 
distributed by the same guys who distribute Serv-U.  I have gotten complete Luddite 
users up and running on it over the phone.  Will cost the user another US$40 or so.

OR you can build your own ul/dl application in CF.  Ever think of that?  Maybe outside 
your budget and time constraints, tho'.


---
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 MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbase.com
---


-- Original Message --
From: "Rick Faircloth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 13:39:16 -0500

>I've done no FTP serving up to this point.
>I had a client yesterday who asked about being able to
>have a way to access documents on her PC at work
>and at home, and I thought of an FTP site on my server.
>(She's almost completely computer illiterate and doesn't
>want to spend much money.)
>
>That would mean she'd have to upload and download
>documents...not the best solution...I thought about VPN
>or something like that (that I've never dealt with either),
>but that seemed more complicated and probably more costly...
>
>I tried to setup an FTP on Win2K, but even with creating a User,
>assigning permissions, and passwords, etc., I couldn't get in with
>that User's password...seems like, based other comments in this
>thread that each user has to have their own port...rather than the
>default port of 21...didn't know that.  Maybe that's the problem.
>
>Does IIS FTP not have the capability of allowing many users
>on one port?  There's only so many ports available to use!  Right?
>
>I guess Serv-U is set up to overcome that limitation by allowing
>many users on one port...correct?
>
>Rick
>
>
>
>>  -Original Message-
>>  From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>  Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 12:57 PM
>>  To: CF-Talk
>>  Subject: RE: SOT: Serv-U?
>>
>>
>>  > Choosing to use Serv-U instead of Windows 2000 Server's
>>  > regular means of FTP account management is desirable
>>  > because it's simpler and easier and provides more feedback
>>  > on usage, etc.?
>>
>>  I think the answer to this will depend on what you're trying
>>  to accomplish.
>>  Personally, I usually find the IIS FTP server to be
>>  sufficient for my uses,
>>  but then again I'm not running a hosting company. The IIS
>>  FTP server has
>>  some characteristics that will be advantages for some, and
>>  disadvantages for
>>  others.
>>
>>  If you're providing FTP services to people who already have
>>  Windows accounts
>>  in your domain, and aren't concerned about Windows account security
>>  ramifications, IIS FTP is very nice, since you don't have to
>>  do any account
>>  management at all - it simply uses your existing accounts.
>>  On the other
>>  hand, if you want to provide non-anonymous FTP to a lot of
>>  people, you'll
>>  probably prefer something that doesn't require you to add
>>  users to your
>>  Windows user database.
>>
>>  Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
>>  http://www.figleaf.com/
>>  voice: (202) 797-5496
>>  fax: (202) 797-5444
>>
>>  
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RE: Excel 'Lookup' Function

[Bruce, Rodney S HQISEC/Veridian IT Services]

Guess that would all depend on what you are trying to do?

are you trying to read from a spreadsheet into a CF page?
Do you have these numbers in a query output and just need to reproduce the
formula in your CF page?

Could use a little more detail ;o)



-Original Message-
From: Jillian Carroll [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 1:17 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Excel 'Lookup' Function


I'm really stumped here.
 
Can anybody tell me how to turn this Excel formula into CF friendly
code?
 
=LOOKUP(B58,$A47:$A52,B47:B52)+(B57/100)*(B167-LOOKUP(B57,$A39:$A45,B39:
B45))
 
I'd be forever in your debt!! :)
 
Thanks!
 
--
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Re: CFCs - property access best practices

[Christian Cantrell]

Think of a class at a template or prototype from which object instances  
are created.  Java files are compiled into class files, and class files  
are loaded from disk (usually) by the JVM's classloader and cached, and  
those classes are used to create instances of objects.  Also, you can  
typically think of object instances as having a relatively short life  
span.  Objects are usually instantiated, used for some purpose, and  
typically left to be garbage collected when they have gone out of scope.

Does that make sense?

Christian

On Friday, January 31, 2003, at 10:05 AM, Andy Ousterhout wrote:

> Thanks.
>
> I am so stoked about how easy this makes programming.  I am even  
> starting to
> understand OO programming, although I still don't get what a class is.  
>  For
> example, I thought that the Generic INVOICE was a class, while a  
> specific
> Invoice was an object.  Now I am just confused.
>
> Oh well.  Keep coding and learn as you go.
>
> Andy
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 8:23 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: CFCs - property access best practices
>
>
> CFCs can go in 3 places:
>
> Webroot (and under web root)
> CF mappings folders
> Custom tag paths
>
> Where you put them depends on how you want to use them. If you plan on
> using Flash Remoting (or using the CFC as a web service), you need to
> put it under the webroot.
>
> p.s. You can also build a CFC to handle remote calls that works as a
> 'broker' for your CFCs not under webroot. I believe SCorfield has an
> article about that on macromedia.com.
>
> ===
> Raymond Camden, ColdFusion Jedi Master for Mindseye, Inc
>
> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> WWW  : www.camdenfamily.com/morpheus
> Yahoo IM : morpheus
>
> "My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is." - Yoda
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Andy Ousterhout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 6:17 PM
>> To: CF-Talk
>> Subject: RE: CFCs - property access best practices
>>
>>
>> Where do I put my CFC files so that CF finds them?  Root
>> directory?  Do I need to define the location within Admin?
>>
>> Andy
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 6:02 PM
>> To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
>> Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
>> Subject: RE: CFCs - property access best practices
>>
>>
 Furthermore, you want to use the unnamed scope for
 your instance data
 (and this seems to be a popular idiom):





>>>
>>> What does:
>>> 
>>>
>>> do for your component?
>>
>> If called from within one of the component's functions, it
>> would overwrite the structure "instance" with a new, empty
>> structure, so all of the keys within the original structure
>> would be lost. It can't be called outside of the component,
>> since it's not exposed as a public member variable.
>>
>> Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
>> http://www.figleaf.com/
>> voice: (202) 797-5496
>> fax: (202) 797-5444
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> 
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RDS/Database views timeout under CFMX

[Ken Wilson]

Wondering if anyone might suggest a solution or direction to look in
solving a problem. When trying to expand the database tables list in the
CF Studio database tab we're getting a timeout error after about 30
seconds. The specific error is:

"The database objects could not be retrieved due to an error: Error -1
occured: The operation timed out."

The problem does not appear when accessing the database via CF5 Server,
only via CFMX. This particular database has a huge number of tables in
it so I'm guessing there must be a timeout setting somewhere in CFMX
that is controlling it. Smaller databases do not exhibit the problem.
The timeout that is kicking in is significantly shorter than the
timemout set in the DSN panel in CF Admin so I'm thinking this timeout
is being controlled elsewhere.

Has anyone seen and solved this problem already? Any ideas where I might
start a search...other than MM support. Not trying to shun them, just
prefer to investigate it a bit before whipping out my CC.  :)

Any suggestions appreciated.

Ken

 

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Re: CFMX on FreeBSD

[Jochem van Dieten]

Ben Arledge wrote:
> Has anyone been able to get CFMX and FreeBSD working together? 
> 
> If so, have you experienced problems with this setup? Solutions?

Details have been posted to the Macromedia Forums earlier this week. I 
think it was the Unix section, but use the search.

Jochem

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RE: Logging Slow pages probelm

[Dave Watts]

> I have enabled logging of slow pages in our CF server to 
> assist in tracking down some performance issues. However 
> I get this on the log:
> 
> "Warning","TID=101","01/31/03","11:47:42","Template: 
> /index.cfm, Ran: 66
> seconds."
> "Warning","TID=390","01/31/03","11:48:44","Template: 
> /index.cfm, Ran: 85
> seconds."
> 
> Now we host several domains on the server (Website/CF4.0.1) 
> and they all use an index.cfm. How do I tell which ones 
> were reported in the log?

The only thing I can think of is to compare times with your web server log
file, which will identify the file.

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RE: Securing CFFILE (was OOP, Custom Tags..)

[Dave Watts]

> Hmmm..., Dave, I spent a few hours yesterday with 
> Google, Macromedia, et al, looking for docs on how 
> to secure CFAS 5 against CFFILE you alluded to in 
> an earlier post (where you noted it was easier to 
> do with CFMX) and all I could find was Sandbox, and 
> a $1200 app from Macromedia's dev tags.
> 
> Is a CFAS 5 solution securing CFFILE possible only 
> with Sandbox?

Yes, if by securing it you mean allowing people to use it only within their
own directories on a shared server. If, on the other hand, you mean keeping
CF from touching files it shouldn't be able to touch, that's a different
matter entirely:

http://www.defusion.com/articles/index.cfm?ArticleID=89

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[SOT]: Flash Commerce Server & co-browsing?

[Reed Powell]

A bit off the path:  Anyone out there using Flash Commerce Server to do
co-browsing (aka page-push or web-touring) applications?  I'd like to chat
offline.

thanks
-reed


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Excel 'Lookup' Function

[Jillian Carroll]

I'm really stumped here.
 
Can anybody tell me how to turn this Excel formula into CF friendly
code?
 
=LOOKUP(B58,$A47:$A52,B47:B52)+(B57/100)*(B167-LOOKUP(B57,$A39:$A45,B39:
B45))
 
I'd be forever in your debt!! :)
 
Thanks!
 
--
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RE: OOP, Custom Tags..

[Dave Watts]

> An up-to-date reference couldn't hurt..

No, it wouldn't:

http://livedocs.macromedia.com/
http://www.macromedia.com/support/coldfusion/documentation.html

It's all there.

> Neither would reading posts that don't involve me..
>
> I just never said I'm learning a new language - I've 
> built many applications in CF relying on this CF book 
> I got back in '99, and feel perfectly free to
> ask about that which I don't know..

No, and I'm not really trying to discourage your participation. We all have
a limited amount of time, though, and in my opinion, if I were trying to
learn about ColdFusion, I'd start with the documentation. Since you'd never
heard of CFSCRIPT, my assumption was that you were new to ColdFusion 5 or
higher.

You should feel free to ask about anything CF-related here - again, it
wasn't my intent to discourage or criticize. Of course, I feel free to
suggest people should read the documentation.

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RE: OOP, Custom Tags..

[Raymond Camden]

> 
> > Dave W:
> > While this list is great and all, may I suggest that you spend more 
> > time reading the documentation instead? I'm being 
> completely serious. 
> > I wouldn't want to learn a new programming language by reading a 
> > mailing list - you'll learn bits and pieces, but not the core 
> > concepts.
> 
> Jezz and that comes from the top poster :-) 
> 

But it's dang good advice. As the admin for cflib, you wouldn't believe
how many submissions we get for UDFs that mimic things CF already does -
simply because people don't bother to read the docs and see what CFML
can do.

===
Raymond Camden, ColdFusion Jedi Master for Mindseye, Inc

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Re: OOP, Custom Tags..

[Rahmin Pavlovic]

> > Dave W:
> > While this list is great and all, may I suggest that you spend more time
> > reading the documentation instead? I'm being completely serious.
> > I wouldn't want to learn a new programming language by reading a mailing
> > list - you'll learn bits and pieces, but not the core concepts.
>
> Jezz and that comes from the top poster :-)

An up-to-date reference couldn't hurt..

Neither would reading posts that don't involve me..

I just never said I'm learning a new language - I've built many applications
in CF relying on this CF book I got back in '99, and feel perfectly free to
ask about that which I don't know..

But yeah - online documentation = good, especially now that I'm on a CF5
server..

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Securing CFFILE (was OOP, Custom Tags..)

[paul smith]

Hmmm..., Dave, I spent a few hours yesterday with Google, Macromedia, et 
al, looking for docs on how to secure CFAS 5 against CFFILE you alluded to 
in an earlier post (where you noted it was easier to do with CFMX) and all 
I could find was Sandbox, and a $1200 app from Macromedia's dev tags.

Is a CFAS 5 solution securing CFFILE possible only with Sandbox?

best,  paul

At 07:00 PM 1/31/03 +, you wrote:
> > Dave W:
> > While this list is great and all, may I suggest that you spend more time
> > reading the documentation instead? I'm being completely serious.
> > I wouldn't want to learn a new programming language by reading a mailing
> > list - you'll learn bits and pieces, but not the core concepts.
>
>Jezz and that comes from the top poster :-)
>
>WG
>
>
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Re: does CFPARAM have to be used at the beginning of a template?

[Michael Dinowitz]

CFPARAM can be used anywhere in a ColdFusion template but should be used before
the variable that your checking.


> Hi,
>
> I'm new to this mail list.  Anyways, I was wondering if the CFPARAM tag has to
go at the beginning of a template.  I see most codes where CFPARAM is set at the
top.  Is this required?  Can it be set at the middle or end of a template or
does that cause problems or performance issues.  Thanks
>
>
>
> 
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RE: does CFPARAM have to be used at the beginning of a template?

[Tony Weeg]

it doesn't HAVE TO BE anywhere.

it just has to be right above where you would want
to use it.

its not something that has to be declared before any processing.

...tony

Tony Weeg
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UnCertified Advanced ColdFusion Developer
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Subject: does CFPARAM have to be used at the beginning of a template?


Hi, 

I'm new to this mail list.  Anyways, I was wondering if the CFPARAM tag
has to go at the beginning of a template.  I see most codes where
CFPARAM is set at the top.  Is this required?  Can it be set at the
middle or end of a template or does that cause problems or performance
issues.  Thanks




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does CFPARAM have to be used at the beginning of a template?

[ttran_18]

Hi, 

I'm new to this mail list.  Anyways, I was wondering if the CFPARAM tag has to go at 
the beginning of a template.  I see most codes where CFPARAM is set at the top.  Is 
this required?  Can it be set at the middle or end of a template or does that cause 
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RE: OOP, Custom Tags..

[webguy]

> Dave W:
> While this list is great and all, may I suggest that you spend more time
> reading the documentation instead? I'm being completely serious. 
> I wouldn't want to learn a new programming language by reading a mailing 
> list - you'll learn bits and pieces, but not the core concepts.

Jezz and that comes from the top poster :-) 

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RE: OOP, Custom Tags..

[webguy]

> > True, pity you can't do
> > 
> > function myf (name string, o myobject)
> > 
> > You would think it would very easy since  
> Sounds like a wishform request to me!
> 
> Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software

Good idea, done. Stuck function overloading in there too :-) 

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RE: CF Capability but not CF.

[Matt Liotta]

It doesn't compare at all. I wrote it as a proof of concept and nothing
more. It is not a complete implementation of CFML or even a useable
implementation of CFML.

If you are looking for a full implementation of CFML I would check our
BlueDragon, which is a very nice product indeed. In addition, it would
appear that BlueDragon will soon support .NET in some way based Vince's
talk found at http://www.cfconf.org/cfun-03/speakers.cfm.

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> -Original Message-
> From: Matthew Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 1:47 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: CF Capability but not CF.
> 
> How does it compare (features) to CF5.0?  CFMX? What is the price? Has
> there ever been any testing done against CFMX?
> 
> Matthew Small
> IT Supervisor
> Showstopper National Dance Competitions
> 3660 Old Kings Hwy
> Murrells Inlet, SC 29576
> 843-357-1847
> http://www.showstopperonline.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 1:39 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: CF Capability but not CF.
> 
> I do, what do you want to know?
> 
> Matt Liotta
> President & CEO
> Montara Software, Inc.
> http://www.montarasoftware.com/
> 888-408-0900 x901
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Matthew Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 1:22 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: RE: CF Capability but not CF.
> >
> > You have an existing CFML parser for .NET?  Explain more, I am very
> > interested.
> >
> > Matthew Small
> > IT Supervisor
> > Showstopper National Dance Competitions
> > 3660 Old Kings Hwy
> > Murrells Inlet, SC 29576
> > 843-357-1847
> > http://www.showstopperonline.com
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 1:18 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: RE: CF Capability but not CF.
> >
> > There is also JavaCC, which I have used successfully to create a
CFML
> > parser and basic interpreter. Further, I was able to port the code
> > generated with JavaCC to .NET using J# without too much issue thus
> > making a .NET CFML parser and interpreter. In fact, when I broke the
> > story on J# I used my CFML parser code as an example. See
> > http://archive.devx.com/dotnet/articles/lp100901/lp100901.asp if you
> are
> > interested.
> >
> > Matt Liotta
> > President & CEO
> > Montara Software, Inc.
> > http://www.montarasoftware.com/
> > 888-408-0900 x901
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: webguy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 1:05 PM
> > > To: CF-Talk
> > > Subject: RE: CF Capability but not CF.
> > >
> > > > There are a few books to read as well - there is a classic one,
> The
> > > > Dragon Book (Compilers: Principals, Techniques and Tools), which
> was
> > > > originally written in the 70s as Principles of Compiler Design
> (has
> > been
> > > > updated since, mine was an '86 version) is by the gurus of
> compiler
> > > > design.
> > > > It's really boring, though.
> > >
> > > The red dragon book boring What! Great book.
> > >
> > > ... but only really for those that want to build hard core
compliers
> > (i.e.
> > > nerds like J.J. & Sean C. ), you can use things like lex and Yacc
> (Yet
> > > Another Compiler Compiler) to build a compiler. Building a
compiler
> is
> > > just
> > > 1 step away from being a computer programmer nirvana.
> > > Building an OS is nirvana.
> > >
> > > I _am_ a nerd.. Its a good thing.
> > >
> > > WG
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> 
> 
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RE: OOP, Custom Tags..

[Dave Watts]

> > You ... haven't ... read ... the ... documentation? 
> > It's in there.
> 
> Nope - I'm not primarily a CF developer - my knowledge 
> is mainly CF4 - but I never knew about cflib.org.. 
> opens up a whole new world.
> 
> I should start reading messages more - I just get so 
> damn many..

While this list is great and all, may I suggest that you spend more time
reading the documentation instead? I'm being completely serious. I wouldn't
want to learn a new programming language by reading a mailing list - you'll
learn bits and pieces, but not the core concepts.

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RE: SOT: Serv-U?

[Dave Watts]

> I've done no FTP serving up to this point.
> I had a client yesterday who asked about being able to
> have a way to access documents on her PC at work
> and at home, and I thought of an FTP site on my server.
> (She's almost completely computer illiterate and doesn't
> want to spend much money.)
> 
> That would mean she'd have to upload and download
> documents...not the best solution...I thought about VPN
> or something like that (that I've never dealt with either),
> but that seemed more complicated and probably more costly...

There are any number of other options you might look at - you could even
just build a CF application that handles her uploads and downloads! (Not
that that would be the best solution in most cases, just thought I'd throw
it out there.) But you could look at WebDAV (when properly configured, you
can easily access and change MS Office documents through it, for example).

You might even consider the idea of portable storage - for example, those
USB drives you can get now. That would certainly be an easy solution to
implement, and you wouldn't have to deal with any software at all, in most
cases.

> I tried to setup an FTP on Win2K, but even with 
> creating a User, assigning permissions, and 
> passwords, etc., I couldn't get in with that User's 
> password...seems like, based other comments in this
> thread that each user has to have their own port...
> rather than the default port of 21...didn't know 
> that. Maybe that's the problem.
> 
> Does IIS FTP not have the capability of allowing 
> many users on one port? There's only so many ports 
> available to use! Right?

I'm not sure what the original poster meant by that, exactly. No, IIS's FTP
server supports multiple users on the same port. I don't know how well it
scales, but it can support more than one user at least!

There could, of course, be any number of other problems you might have run
into.

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
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RE: OOP, Custom Tags..

[Dave Watts]

> True, pity you can't do
> 
> function myf (name string, o myobject)
> 
> You would think it would very easy since http://www.figleaf.com/
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RE: CF Capability but not CF.

[Matthew Small]

How does it compare (features) to CF5.0?  CFMX? What is the price? Has
there ever been any testing done against CFMX?  

Matthew Small
IT Supervisor
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-Original Message-
From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 1:39 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF Capability but not CF.

I do, what do you want to know?

Matt Liotta
President & CEO
Montara Software, Inc.
http://www.montarasoftware.com/
888-408-0900 x901

> -Original Message-
> From: Matthew Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 1:22 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: CF Capability but not CF.
> 
> You have an existing CFML parser for .NET?  Explain more, I am very
> interested.
> 
> Matthew Small
> IT Supervisor
> Showstopper National Dance Competitions
> 3660 Old Kings Hwy
> Murrells Inlet, SC 29576
> 843-357-1847
> http://www.showstopperonline.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 1:18 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: CF Capability but not CF.
> 
> There is also JavaCC, which I have used successfully to create a CFML
> parser and basic interpreter. Further, I was able to port the code
> generated with JavaCC to .NET using J# without too much issue thus
> making a .NET CFML parser and interpreter. In fact, when I broke the
> story on J# I used my CFML parser code as an example. See
> http://archive.devx.com/dotnet/articles/lp100901/lp100901.asp if you
are
> interested.
> 
> Matt Liotta
> President & CEO
> Montara Software, Inc.
> http://www.montarasoftware.com/
> 888-408-0900 x901
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: webguy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 1:05 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: RE: CF Capability but not CF.
> >
> > > There are a few books to read as well - there is a classic one,
The
> > > Dragon Book (Compilers: Principals, Techniques and Tools), which
was
> > > originally written in the 70s as Principles of Compiler Design
(has
> been
> > > updated since, mine was an '86 version) is by the gurus of
compiler
> > > design.
> > > It's really boring, though.
> >
> > The red dragon book boring What! Great book.
> >
> > ... but only really for those that want to build hard core compliers
> (i.e.
> > nerds like J.J. & Sean C. ), you can use things like lex and Yacc
(Yet
> > Another Compiler Compiler) to build a compiler. Building a compiler
is
> > just
> > 1 step away from being a computer programmer nirvana.
> > Building an OS is nirvana.
> >
> > I _am_ a nerd.. Its a good thing.
> >
> > WG
> >
> >
> 
> 

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RE: OOP, Custom Tags..

[webguy]

> Dave said:
> I might prefer the syntax of CFSCRIPT too, but that's easily outweighed by
> the ability in CFFUNCTION to validate argument datatypes and requirements
> with the TYPE and REQUIRED attributes of CFARGUMENT, and specify
> the return
> datatype of the function using the RETURNTYPE attribute of CFFUNCTION. To
> me, both of those things - and especially the first - make up for
> any syntax
> preferences I might have for C-style code.

True, pity you can't do

function myf (name string, o myobject)

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RE: CF Capability but not CF.

[Bryan F. Hogan]

Yes, this is why I asked about the SDK. Thanks for your previous reply, I'll
check it out.

Thanks


Bryan F. Hogan
Director of Internet Development
Macromedia Certified ColdFusion MX Developer
Digital Bay Media, Inc.
1-877-72DIGITAL


-Original Message-
From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 1:39 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF Capability but not CF.


There is no SDK available and you can't rely on the docs because
sometimes they are either incomplete or just wrong.

Matt Liotta
President & CEO
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888-408-0900 x901

> -Original Message-
> From: Bryan F. Hogan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 1:17 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: CF Capability but not CF.
>
> Makes perfect since. Thanks for your reply.
>
> I think I have seen on Macromedia where you can download something
like an
> SDK for the SWF format, is there an equivalent to that for CF. Like a
SDK,
> rather than relying on the Docs and experience only.
>
> 
> Bryan F. Hogan
> Director of Internet Development
> Macromedia Certified ColdFusion MX Developer
> Digital Bay Media, Inc.
> 1-877-72DIGITAL
> 
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Barney Boisvert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 1:03 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: CF Capability but not CF.
>
>
> If you want to use Java (which I'd recommend), baseically all you need
to
> do
> is come up with a language specification (or use CFML's), and then
create
> a
> system that will convert that language into Java source code, which
can
> then
> be compiled as you would any other Java class.  Along with that comes
the
> need to be able to do some reflection so that you can translate errors
in
> the Java back to the appropriate CFML (or whatever), as well as keep
track
> of when you need to update your Java files, based on the modification
> dates
> of the templates.
>
> In addition to the basic compilation, you'll also probably want to
provide
> functionality that Java doesn't provide, or at least encapsulate it
into
> more easily usable pieces, like CF does with CFQUERY and datasources.
> Keep
> in mind that you can also perform encapsulation with internal CFML (or
> wahtever) templates, like CF does (for instance, CFDUMP and
> CFSAVECONTENT).
> You'll definitely want to decide which pieces to encapulate first, or
> you'll
> be throwing away alot of compilation work, because it'll become
unneeded.
>
> Apache Tomcat is a free Java Servlet container which would serve as a
good
> base, assuming you follow the CFML compiles to Java Servlets pattern,
> which
> makes the most sense to me of the other options that come readily to
mind.
> I wouldn't worry about making deployment easy until you have a working
> system, so I'd see the system initially working like this:
>
> 1) write the template in CFML or whatever
> 2) run a command line compiler to make the Java source
> 3) copy the Java source to the Tomcat application directory
> 4) load the pages and let Tomcat automatically compile the .java files
> into
> .class files for you, as well as take care of putting them in the
right
> place in the filesystem.
>
> Then once you have a langauge that you can use, you can start worrying
> about
> rolling step 2-4 together.  You'll want a Tomcat app that encapsulates
> your
> CFML-Java compiler, and then your CFML applications would be housed
within
> that application.  You'd want to set up an alternative mapping to your
> compiler app so that it runs based on .cfm, rather like Struts' setup
with
> the .do extension.
>
> Hopefully that all makes sense.
>
> Footnote: I'm relying on logic here, not any actual experience working
> with
> such a system, so don't flame me.  However, while I have no intention
of
> writing such a system, I'd be interested to hear feedback and
suggestions.
>
> barneyb
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Bryan F. Hogan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 9:33 AM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: OT: CF Capability but not CF.
> >
> >
> > Does anyone know where or how I can learn about writing my own
> application
> > server such as Blue Dragon has. This really interests me. Not that I
> could
> > compete I would just like to know how it is done.
> >
> > 
> > Bryan F. Hogan
> > Director of Internet Development
> > Macromedia Certified ColdFusion MX Developer
> > Digital Bay Media, Inc.
> > 1-877-72DIGITAL
> > 
> >
> >
>
>

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RE: Missing CFMAGIC cookie??

[Gaulin, Mark]

Ah! Thanks! We don't set SetDomainCookie to true on our dev server because
the cookies don't work if the host name has only one "." in it.

With SetDomainCookie = true...
1. host = "staging", cookie domain is not set; this works.
2. host = "test.staging.com", cookie domain = ".staging.com"; this works.
3. host = "test.staging", cookie domain = ".staging", but the cookie domains
are supposed to have two dots in them to be valid; NS and IE won't pass
these cookies back to the server.

(This is for CF5 and earlier; don't know about MX.)

In our application.cfm we test for at least three dots in a host name before
setting SetDomainCookie to true.

Thanks again...
Mark


-Original Message-
From: Barney Boisvert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 12:17 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Missing CFMAGIC cookie??


CFMAGIC is only set if you have setDomainCookies set to true in your
CFAPPLICATION tag.  It's there to allow you to have multiple domains read
the same cookies to tie together a session across them.  I'd imagine that
you (or someone) accidentally removed that line from the CFAPPLICATION tag
on the dev server, but didn't publish to the production server.

HTH,
barneyb

> -Original Message-
> From: Gaulin, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 9:11 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Missing CFMAGIC cookie??
>
>
> Hi Folks
> You know the three cookies that CFAPPLICATION sets when you use session
> management... CFID, CFTOKEN, and CFMAGIC? (CFMAGIC is just
> "CFID:CFTOKEN").
> Well we just noticed that one of our development servers is not setting
> CFMAGIC. I don't know when this happened, but it is weird.
>
> Anybody have an idea as to why this might be happening?
>
> My test is to clear cookies, then turn on cookie prompting (using NS4 at
> this point), then hit a page. I see CFID and CFTOKEN coming, but
> no CFMAGIC.
> Do the same test on a production server and you get all three.
>
> Development machine is running CF5 sp 2
> Production machine is running CF5 sp 3
>
> Thanks!
>
>   Mark
> 

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RE: CF Capability but not CF.

[Matt Liotta]

I have no idea if it was ever called anything else.

Matt Liotta
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> -Original Message-
> From: webguy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 1:28 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: CF Capability but not CF.
> 
> > There is also JavaCC, which I have used successfully to create a
CFML
> 
> Cool, javaCC was that called Jack at some stage?
> 
> WG
> 
> 
> 
> 
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RE: CF Capability but not CF.

[Matt Liotta]

I do, what do you want to know?

Matt Liotta
President & CEO
Montara Software, Inc.
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888-408-0900 x901

> -Original Message-
> From: Matthew Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 1:22 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: CF Capability but not CF.
> 
> You have an existing CFML parser for .NET?  Explain more, I am very
> interested.
> 
> Matthew Small
> IT Supervisor
> Showstopper National Dance Competitions
> 3660 Old Kings Hwy
> Murrells Inlet, SC 29576
> 843-357-1847
> http://www.showstopperonline.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 1:18 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: CF Capability but not CF.
> 
> There is also JavaCC, which I have used successfully to create a CFML
> parser and basic interpreter. Further, I was able to port the code
> generated with JavaCC to .NET using J# without too much issue thus
> making a .NET CFML parser and interpreter. In fact, when I broke the
> story on J# I used my CFML parser code as an example. See
> http://archive.devx.com/dotnet/articles/lp100901/lp100901.asp if you
are
> interested.
> 
> Matt Liotta
> President & CEO
> Montara Software, Inc.
> http://www.montarasoftware.com/
> 888-408-0900 x901
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: webguy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 1:05 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: RE: CF Capability but not CF.
> >
> > > There are a few books to read as well - there is a classic one,
The
> > > Dragon Book (Compilers: Principals, Techniques and Tools), which
was
> > > originally written in the 70s as Principles of Compiler Design
(has
> been
> > > updated since, mine was an '86 version) is by the gurus of
compiler
> > > design.
> > > It's really boring, though.
> >
> > The red dragon book boring What! Great book.
> >
> > ... but only really for those that want to build hard core compliers
> (i.e.
> > nerds like J.J. & Sean C. ), you can use things like lex and Yacc
(Yet
> > Another Compiler Compiler) to build a compiler. Building a compiler
is
> > just
> > 1 step away from being a computer programmer nirvana.
> > Building an OS is nirvana.
> >
> > I _am_ a nerd.. Its a good thing.
> >
> > WG
> >
> >
> 
> 
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RE: CF Capability but not CF.

[Matt Liotta]

There is no SDK available and you can't rely on the docs because
sometimes they are either incomplete or just wrong.

Matt Liotta
President & CEO
Montara Software, Inc.
http://www.montarasoftware.com/
888-408-0900 x901

> -Original Message-
> From: Bryan F. Hogan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 1:17 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: CF Capability but not CF.
> 
> Makes perfect since. Thanks for your reply.
> 
> I think I have seen on Macromedia where you can download something
like an
> SDK for the SWF format, is there an equivalent to that for CF. Like a
SDK,
> rather than relying on the Docs and experience only.
> 
> 
> Bryan F. Hogan
> Director of Internet Development
> Macromedia Certified ColdFusion MX Developer
> Digital Bay Media, Inc.
> 1-877-72DIGITAL
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Barney Boisvert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 1:03 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: CF Capability but not CF.
> 
> 
> If you want to use Java (which I'd recommend), baseically all you need
to
> do
> is come up with a language specification (or use CFML's), and then
create
> a
> system that will convert that language into Java source code, which
can
> then
> be compiled as you would any other Java class.  Along with that comes
the
> need to be able to do some reflection so that you can translate errors
in
> the Java back to the appropriate CFML (or whatever), as well as keep
track
> of when you need to update your Java files, based on the modification
> dates
> of the templates.
> 
> In addition to the basic compilation, you'll also probably want to
provide
> functionality that Java doesn't provide, or at least encapsulate it
into
> more easily usable pieces, like CF does with CFQUERY and datasources.
> Keep
> in mind that you can also perform encapsulation with internal CFML (or
> wahtever) templates, like CF does (for instance, CFDUMP and
> CFSAVECONTENT).
> You'll definitely want to decide which pieces to encapulate first, or
> you'll
> be throwing away alot of compilation work, because it'll become
unneeded.
> 
> Apache Tomcat is a free Java Servlet container which would serve as a
good
> base, assuming you follow the CFML compiles to Java Servlets pattern,
> which
> makes the most sense to me of the other options that come readily to
mind.
> I wouldn't worry about making deployment easy until you have a working
> system, so I'd see the system initially working like this:
> 
> 1) write the template in CFML or whatever
> 2) run a command line compiler to make the Java source
> 3) copy the Java source to the Tomcat application directory
> 4) load the pages and let Tomcat automatically compile the .java files
> into
> .class files for you, as well as take care of putting them in the
right
> place in the filesystem.
> 
> Then once you have a langauge that you can use, you can start worrying
> about
> rolling step 2-4 together.  You'll want a Tomcat app that encapsulates
> your
> CFML-Java compiler, and then your CFML applications would be housed
within
> that application.  You'd want to set up an alternative mapping to your
> compiler app so that it runs based on .cfm, rather like Struts' setup
with
> the .do extension.
> 
> Hopefully that all makes sense.
> 
> Footnote: I'm relying on logic here, not any actual experience working
> with
> such a system, so don't flame me.  However, while I have no intention
of
> writing such a system, I'd be interested to hear feedback and
suggestions.
> 
> barneyb
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Bryan F. Hogan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 9:33 AM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: OT: CF Capability but not CF.
> >
> >
> > Does anyone know where or how I can learn about writing my own
> application
> > server such as Blue Dragon has. This really interests me. Not that I
> could
> > compete I would just like to know how it is done.
> >
> > 
> > Bryan F. Hogan
> > Director of Internet Development
> > Macromedia Certified ColdFusion MX Developer
> > Digital Bay Media, Inc.
> > 1-877-72DIGITAL
> > 
> >
> >
> 
> 
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RE: SOT: Serv-U?

[Rick Faircloth]

I've done no FTP serving up to this point.
I had a client yesterday who asked about being able to
have a way to access documents on her PC at work
and at home, and I thought of an FTP site on my server.
(She's almost completely computer illiterate and doesn't
want to spend much money.)

That would mean she'd have to upload and download
documents...not the best solution...I thought about VPN
or something like that (that I've never dealt with either),
but that seemed more complicated and probably more costly...

I tried to setup an FTP on Win2K, but even with creating a User,
assigning permissions, and passwords, etc., I couldn't get in with
that User's password...seems like, based other comments in this
thread that each user has to have their own port...rather than the
default port of 21...didn't know that.  Maybe that's the problem.

Does IIS FTP not have the capability of allowing many users
on one port?  There's only so many ports available to use!  Right?

I guess Serv-U is set up to overcome that limitation by allowing
many users on one port...correct?

Rick



>  -Original Message-
>  From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>  Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 12:57 PM
>  To: CF-Talk
>  Subject: RE: SOT: Serv-U?
>
>
>  > Choosing to use Serv-U instead of Windows 2000 Server's
>  > regular means of FTP account management is desirable
>  > because it's simpler and easier and provides more feedback
>  > on usage, etc.?
>
>  I think the answer to this will depend on what you're trying
>  to accomplish.
>  Personally, I usually find the IIS FTP server to be
>  sufficient for my uses,
>  but then again I'm not running a hosting company. The IIS
>  FTP server has
>  some characteristics that will be advantages for some, and
>  disadvantages for
>  others.
>
>  If you're providing FTP services to people who already have
>  Windows accounts
>  in your domain, and aren't concerned about Windows account security
>  ramifications, IIS FTP is very nice, since you don't have to
>  do any account
>  management at all - it simply uses your existing accounts.
>  On the other
>  hand, if you want to provide non-anonymous FTP to a lot of
>  people, you'll
>  probably prefer something that doesn't require you to add
>  users to your
>  Windows user database.
>
>  Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
>  http://www.figleaf.com/
>  voice: (202) 797-5496
>  fax: (202) 797-5444
>
>  
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RE: OOP, Custom Tags..

[Dave Watts]

> > If you're using CFMX, though, you might not even 
> > bother with it. Its popularity is largely based 
> > on the fact that it's the only way to write
> > user-defined functions in CF 5. You can do a lot 
> > more (and do it better) with the CFFUNCTION tag 
> > in CFMX.
> 
> Really Dave ? I would say programmers coming from 
> php,c,java,javascript would find  in some a lot of cases. I do. Especially for loops in 
> loops etc...

I might prefer the syntax of CFSCRIPT too, but that's easily outweighed by
the ability in CFFUNCTION to validate argument datatypes and requirements
with the TYPE and REQUIRED attributes of CFARGUMENT, and specify the return
datatype of the function using the RETURNTYPE attribute of CFFUNCTION. To
me, both of those things - and especially the first - make up for any syntax
preferences I might have for C-style code.

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http://www.figleaf.com/
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RE: CF Capability but not CF.

[webguy]

> There is also JavaCC, which I have used successfully to create a CFML

Cool, javaCC was that called Jack at some stage? 

WG



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RE: CF Capability but not CF.

[Matthew Small]

You have an existing CFML parser for .NET?  Explain more, I am very
interested.

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-Original Message-
From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 1:18 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF Capability but not CF.

There is also JavaCC, which I have used successfully to create a CFML
parser and basic interpreter. Further, I was able to port the code
generated with JavaCC to .NET using J# without too much issue thus
making a .NET CFML parser and interpreter. In fact, when I broke the
story on J# I used my CFML parser code as an example. See
http://archive.devx.com/dotnet/articles/lp100901/lp100901.asp if you are
interested.

Matt Liotta
President & CEO
Montara Software, Inc.
http://www.montarasoftware.com/
888-408-0900 x901

> -Original Message-
> From: webguy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 1:05 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: CF Capability but not CF.
> 
> > There are a few books to read as well - there is a classic one, The
> > Dragon Book (Compilers: Principals, Techniques and Tools), which was
> > originally written in the 70s as Principles of Compiler Design (has
been
> > updated since, mine was an '86 version) is by the gurus of compiler
> > design.
> > It's really boring, though.
> 
> The red dragon book boring What! Great book.
> 
> ... but only really for those that want to build hard core compliers
(i.e.
> nerds like J.J. & Sean C. ), you can use things like lex and Yacc (Yet
> Another Compiler Compiler) to build a compiler. Building a compiler is
> just
> 1 step away from being a computer programmer nirvana.
> Building an OS is nirvana.
> 
> I _am_ a nerd.. Its a good thing.
> 
> WG
> 
> 

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Re: OOP, Custom Tags..

[Michael Dinowitz]

In CFMX there is no evidence of CFSCRIPT processing faster than the tag version
but I agree with you on its use. I use it for all my 'core' logic and for just
about all my UDFs as well. There's something clean about it over tags while
keeping much of the same read-ability.


> I love CFSCRIPT.  less typing, and supposedly faster execution that
> tag-based CF.  It is a pain that there aren't 'real' operators in it, but
> such is life.  If I'm not actively outputing text, or doing something that
> requires a tag (like queries), I'm usually in CFSCRIPT blocks.
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: webguy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 10:07 AM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: RE: OOP, Custom Tags..
> >
> >
> > > If you're using CFMX, though, you might not even bother with it. Its
> > > popularity is largely based on the fact that it's the only way to write
> > > user-defined functions in CF 5. You can do a lot more (and do it better)
> > > with the CFFUNCTION tag in CFMX.
> >
> > Really Dave ? I would say programmers coming from php,c,java,javascript
> > would find  > I do. Especially for loops in loops etc...
> >
> > Pity stuff like ==, != and i++ aren't is cfscript .
> >
> > > > I'll look into the syntax more, but can you tell
> > > > me if I can include all my cfscripts in a separate
> > > > doc? I can just make it a cfinclude, why not
> >
> > You can even put a function into application, session etc. scope.
> >
> > WG
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RE: OOP, Custom Tags..

[Barney Boisvert]

I love CFSCRIPT.  less typing, and supposedly faster execution that
tag-based CF.  It is a pain that there aren't 'real' operators in it, but
such is life.  If I'm not actively outputing text, or doing something that
requires a tag (like queries), I'm usually in CFSCRIPT blocks.

> -Original Message-
> From: webguy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 10:07 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: OOP, Custom Tags..
>
>
> > If you're using CFMX, though, you might not even bother with it. Its
> > popularity is largely based on the fact that it's the only way to write
> > user-defined functions in CF 5. You can do a lot more (and do it better)
> > with the CFFUNCTION tag in CFMX.
>
> Really Dave ? I would say programmers coming from php,c,java,javascript
> would find  I do. Especially for loops in loops etc...
>
> Pity stuff like ==, != and i++ aren't is cfscript .
>
> > > I'll look into the syntax more, but can you tell
> > > me if I can include all my cfscripts in a separate
> > > doc? I can just make it a cfinclude, why not
>
> You can even put a function into application, session etc. scope.
>
> WG
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RE: CF Capability but not CF.

[Matt Liotta]

There is also JavaCC, which I have used successfully to create a CFML
parser and basic interpreter. Further, I was able to port the code
generated with JavaCC to .NET using J# without too much issue thus
making a .NET CFML parser and interpreter. In fact, when I broke the
story on J# I used my CFML parser code as an example. See
http://archive.devx.com/dotnet/articles/lp100901/lp100901.asp if you are
interested.

Matt Liotta
President & CEO
Montara Software, Inc.
http://www.montarasoftware.com/
888-408-0900 x901

> -Original Message-
> From: webguy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 1:05 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: CF Capability but not CF.
> 
> > There are a few books to read as well - there is a classic one, The
> > Dragon Book (Compilers: Principals, Techniques and Tools), which was
> > originally written in the 70s as Principles of Compiler Design (has
been
> > updated since, mine was an '86 version) is by the gurus of compiler
> > design.
> > It's really boring, though.
> 
> The red dragon book boring What! Great book.
> 
> ... but only really for those that want to build hard core compliers
(i.e.
> nerds like J.J. & Sean C. ), you can use things like lex and Yacc (Yet
> Another Compiler Compiler) to build a compiler. Building a compiler is
> just
> 1 step away from being a computer programmer nirvana.
> Building an OS is nirvana.
> 
> I _am_ a nerd.. Its a good thing.
> 
> WG
> 
> 
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RE: CF Capability but not CF.

[Bryan F. Hogan]

Makes perfect since. Thanks for your reply.

I think I have seen on Macromedia where you can download something like an
SDK for the SWF format, is there an equivalent to that for CF. Like a SDK,
rather than relying on the Docs and experience only.


Bryan F. Hogan
Director of Internet Development
Macromedia Certified ColdFusion MX Developer
Digital Bay Media, Inc.
1-877-72DIGITAL


-Original Message-
From: Barney Boisvert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 1:03 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF Capability but not CF.


If you want to use Java (which I'd recommend), baseically all you need to do
is come up with a language specification (or use CFML's), and then create a
system that will convert that language into Java source code, which can then
be compiled as you would any other Java class.  Along with that comes the
need to be able to do some reflection so that you can translate errors in
the Java back to the appropriate CFML (or whatever), as well as keep track
of when you need to update your Java files, based on the modification dates
of the templates.

In addition to the basic compilation, you'll also probably want to provide
functionality that Java doesn't provide, or at least encapsulate it into
more easily usable pieces, like CF does with CFQUERY and datasources.  Keep
in mind that you can also perform encapsulation with internal CFML (or
wahtever) templates, like CF does (for instance, CFDUMP and CFSAVECONTENT).
You'll definitely want to decide which pieces to encapulate first, or you'll
be throwing away alot of compilation work, because it'll become unneeded.

Apache Tomcat is a free Java Servlet container which would serve as a good
base, assuming you follow the CFML compiles to Java Servlets pattern, which
makes the most sense to me of the other options that come readily to mind.
I wouldn't worry about making deployment easy until you have a working
system, so I'd see the system initially working like this:

1) write the template in CFML or whatever
2) run a command line compiler to make the Java source
3) copy the Java source to the Tomcat application directory
4) load the pages and let Tomcat automatically compile the .java files into
.class files for you, as well as take care of putting them in the right
place in the filesystem.

Then once you have a langauge that you can use, you can start worrying about
rolling step 2-4 together.  You'll want a Tomcat app that encapsulates your
CFML-Java compiler, and then your CFML applications would be housed within
that application.  You'd want to set up an alternative mapping to your
compiler app so that it runs based on .cfm, rather like Struts' setup with
the .do extension.

Hopefully that all makes sense.

Footnote: I'm relying on logic here, not any actual experience working with
such a system, so don't flame me.  However, while I have no intention of
writing such a system, I'd be interested to hear feedback and suggestions.

barneyb

> -Original Message-
> From: Bryan F. Hogan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 9:33 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: OT: CF Capability but not CF.
>
>
> Does anyone know where or how I can learn about writing my own application
> server such as Blue Dragon has. This really interests me. Not that I could
> compete I would just like to know how it is done.
>
> 
> Bryan F. Hogan
> Director of Internet Development
> Macromedia Certified ColdFusion MX Developer
> Digital Bay Media, Inc.
> 1-877-72DIGITAL
> 
>
>

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RE: CF Capability but not CF.

[Matt Liotta]

You have suggested an approach that is inline with ColdFusion MX, but
not BlueDragon as BlueDragon doesn't compile CFML into Java; it is a
Java based interpreter of CFML. This is a fundamental difference that
creates a completely different performance profile among other things.

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888-408-0900 x901

> -Original Message-
> From: Barney Boisvert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 1:03 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: CF Capability but not CF.
> 
> If you want to use Java (which I'd recommend), baseically all you need
to
> do
> is come up with a language specification (or use CFML's), and then
create
> a
> system that will convert that language into Java source code, which
can
> then
> be compiled as you would any other Java class.  Along with that comes
the
> need to be able to do some reflection so that you can translate errors
in
> the Java back to the appropriate CFML (or whatever), as well as keep
track
> of when you need to update your Java files, based on the modification
> dates
> of the templates.
> 
> In addition to the basic compilation, you'll also probably want to
provide
> functionality that Java doesn't provide, or at least encapsulate it
into
> more easily usable pieces, like CF does with CFQUERY and datasources.
> Keep
> in mind that you can also perform encapsulation with internal CFML (or
> wahtever) templates, like CF does (for instance, CFDUMP and
> CFSAVECONTENT).
> You'll definitely want to decide which pieces to encapulate first, or
> you'll
> be throwing away alot of compilation work, because it'll become
unneeded.
> 
> Apache Tomcat is a free Java Servlet container which would serve as a
good
> base, assuming you follow the CFML compiles to Java Servlets pattern,
> which
> makes the most sense to me of the other options that come readily to
mind.
> I wouldn't worry about making deployment easy until you have a working
> system, so I'd see the system initially working like this:
> 
> 1) write the template in CFML or whatever
> 2) run a command line compiler to make the Java source
> 3) copy the Java source to the Tomcat application directory
> 4) load the pages and let Tomcat automatically compile the .java files
> into
> .class files for you, as well as take care of putting them in the
right
> place in the filesystem.
> 
> Then once you have a langauge that you can use, you can start worrying
> about
> rolling step 2-4 together.  You'll want a Tomcat app that encapsulates
> your
> CFML-Java compiler, and then your CFML applications would be housed
within
> that application.  You'd want to set up an alternative mapping to your
> compiler app so that it runs based on .cfm, rather like Struts' setup
with
> the .do extension.
> 
> Hopefully that all makes sense.
> 
> Footnote: I'm relying on logic here, not any actual experience working
> with
> such a system, so don't flame me.  However, while I have no intention
of
> writing such a system, I'd be interested to hear feedback and
suggestions.
> 
> barneyb
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Bryan F. Hogan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 9:33 AM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: OT: CF Capability but not CF.
> >
> >
> > Does anyone know where or how I can learn about writing my own
> application
> > server such as Blue Dragon has. This really interests me. Not that I
> could
> > compete I would just like to know how it is done.
> >
> > 
> > Bryan F. Hogan
> > Director of Internet Development
> > Macromedia Certified ColdFusion MX Developer
> > Digital Bay Media, Inc.
> > 1-877-72DIGITAL
> > 
> >
> >
> 
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RE: OOP, Custom Tags..

[Raymond Camden]

> > > I'll look into the syntax more, but can you tell
> > > me if I can include all my cfscripts in a separate
> > > doc? I can just make it a cfinclude, why not
> 
> You can even put a function into application, session etc. scope.
> 

Which is NOT recommended by Macromedia. You would need a cflock tag
everytime you call the UDF (prior to cfmx).

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Re: SOT: Serv-U?

[Dimo Michailov]

We have been considering using more and more FTP (and of course, 
replacing the IIS default FTP server). One thing I am not sure, however, 
is whether Serv-U can handle authentication with NT domain accounts - we 
don't want to recreate all NT user accounts for FTP.

Anyone can throw something in here?

Thanks,

Dimo M.

samcfug wrote:
> As one who has "Been there, Done that" with FTP account administration on my
> Win2k servers, I sincerely believe that by switching over to WU-FTP and
> eventually disabling the IIS version of FTP on your servers will make you wonder
> just how you have lived this long without it.   The convenience for the user,
> and ease of administration gives the product a lot of points..  Not to mention
> you will be looking for something to do with all the time you will be saving.
> 
> Sure there are other FTP server Applets in the marketplace, but I really believe
> this one has the larger share of the market, and as you can tell by all the
> comments from middle to very large hosts, it has become an essential to their
> software collection.
> 
> I just can't say it any plainer than that. (I don't even work for them or own
> any of their stock)
> 
> 
> =
> Douglas White
> group Manager
> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.samcfug.org
> =
> - Original Message -
> From: "Rick Faircloth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 7:42 AM
> Subject: RE: SOT: Serv-U?
> 
> 
> | Hi, Matt, et al...
> |
> | Now that I know its a great FTP server,
> | which is used to actually administer FTP accounts...
> | I want to make sure, before I install it, that it
> | works well with Windows 2000 Server and that I'll
> | be able to handle all FTP matters, including security, etc.,
> | from within Serv-U without any issues?
> |
> | In other words, works well as a "replacement" for FTP
> | administration on Windows 2000 Server?
> |
> | Choosing to use Serv-U instead of Windows 2000 Server's
> | regular means of FTP account manangement is desirable
> | because it's simpler and easier and provides more feedback
> | on usage, etc.?
> |
> | Thanks,
> |
> | Rick
> |
> |
> |
> |
> | >  -Original Message-
> | >  From: Matt Robertson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> | >  Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 2:15 AM
> | >  To: CF-Talk
> | >  Subject: Re: SOT: Serv-U?
> | >
> | >
> | >  Hi Rick,
> | >
> | >  I learned of Serv-U back when I was on shared hosts.  All of
> | >  my ISPs used
> | >  it, so I bought it when I got into my own servers.  Another
> | >  invaluable
> | >  feature to add to the pile already discussed:  Its a snap to
> | >  give a user
> | >  access to different directories which aren't necessaily
> | >  grouped together.
> | >
> | >  Spend an hour with IIS and Serv-U each... you'll answer your
> | >  own question :D
> | >
> | >  --Matt Robertson--
> | >  MSB Designs, Inc.
> | >  http://mysecretbase.com
> | >
> | >  - Original Message -
> | >  From: "Rick Faircloth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> | >  To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> | >  Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 7:22 PM
> | >  Subject: RE: SOT: Serv-U?
> | >
> | >
> | >  > HI, Matt.
> | >  >
> | >  > I've looked over Serv-U at their site,
> | >  > but still not sure what it's used for.
> | >  > Couldn't I do the same things, basically, that it does
> | >  > with administration tools in Windows 2000 Server, like
> | >  > setting up FTP accounts, etc.?
> | >  >
> | >  > I saw the traffic analysis stuff...but is that the benefit?
> | >  >
> | >  > (Although I've been unsuccessful trying to setup regular
> | >  User FTP accounts
> | >  > on my server, unless the user is part of the Administrator Group.
> | >  > Haven't figured that one out, yet...)
> | >  >
> | >  > Rick
> | >  >
> | >  >
> | >  > >  -Original Message-
> | >  > >  From: Matt Robertson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> | >  > >  Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 5:20 PM
> | >  > >  To: CF-Talk
> | >  > >  Subject: Re: SOT: Serv-U?
> | >  > >
> | >  > >
> | >  > >  http://serv-u.com :D
> | >  > >
> | >  > >  I've used it for quite a while and prefer it.
> | >  > >
> | >  > >  ---
> | >  > >   Matt Robertson, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> | >  > >   MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbase.com
> | >  > >  ---
> | >  > >
> | >  > >
> | >  > >  -- Original Message
> | >  --
> | >  > >  From: "Tilbrook, Peter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> | >  > >  Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> | >  >

RE: CFMX on FreeBSD

[Ben Arledge]

Yes, I wondered if it might work now that MacOSX (limited) support has
been added. Perhaps some Macromedia folks can shed some light on this?

BlueDragon really isn't an option for me as I really don't see it going
anywhere other than its small niche market.

Thanks :)

Ben Arledge
www.arledge.net


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To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CFMX on FreeBSD


May be a total shot in the dark, but since Mac OSX is BSD at the core,
you could try the OSX CFMXJ2EE version on BSD. I would bet money
BlueDragon J2EE runs on BSD.

I don't claim any BSD knowledge though, just my first thought.

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-Original Message-
From: Ben Arledge [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 12:12 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: CFMX on FreeBSD


Has anyone been able to get CFMX and FreeBSD working together? 

If so, have you experienced problems with this setup? Solutions?

And for the folks at Macromedia, is there a possibility that you will
support CF on this (superior) platform?


Thanks :)

Ben Arledge
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RE: Flash example...

[Stephenie Hamilton]

http://www.soh.nsw.gov.au/h/credits.html

Gives you the site credits


~~
Stephenie Hamilton
Macromedia Certified ColdFusion Professional
CFXHosting





-Original Message-
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Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 12:35 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: OT: Flash example...


Any of you aussies out there know who did this site?  Very cool. 

http://www.soh.nsw.gov.au/h/t_virtual_tour_fs1.html


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RE: OOP, Custom Tags..

[webguy]

> If you're using CFMX, though, you might not even bother with it. Its
> popularity is largely based on the fact that it's the only way to write
> user-defined functions in CF 5. You can do a lot more (and do it better)
> with the CFFUNCTION tag in CFMX.

Really Dave ? I would say programmers coming from php,c,java,javascript
would find  > I'll look into the syntax more, but can you tell
> > me if I can include all my cfscripts in a separate
> > doc? I can just make it a cfinclude, why not

You can even put a function into application, session etc. scope.

WG

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RE: CF Capability but not CF.

[webguy]

> There are a few books to read as well - there is a classic one, The
> Dragon Book (Compilers: Principals, Techniques and Tools), which was
> originally written in the 70s as Principles of Compiler Design (has been
> updated since, mine was an '86 version) is by the gurus of compiler
> design.
> It's really boring, though.

The red dragon book boring What! Great book.

... but only really for those that want to build hard core compliers (i.e.
nerds like J.J. & Sean C. ), you can use things like lex and Yacc (Yet
Another Compiler Compiler) to build a compiler. Building a compiler is just
1 step away from being a computer programmer nirvana.
Building an OS is nirvana.

I _am_ a nerd.. Its a good thing.

WG

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RE: CFC Question

[Andy Ousterhout]

Thanks.

I thought that you'd be able to hide the "has-a" relationship from the
accessing programs and perform this in the Invoice Object Methods.  I see
from this and documentation at Macromedia that the accessing program such as
the Invoice Form, create the relationship explicitly.

Again, thanks for taking the time to educate me.

Andy

-Original Message-
From: Sean A Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 11:08 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CFC Question


On Friday, Jan 31, 2003, at 05:52 US/Pacific, Andy Ousterhout wrote:
> Ok, so in your example, Invoice "has-a" Ordering Person, how do I set
> FirstName?
>
> Invoice.OrderingPerson.setFirst("Sean"); ?

Not quite - see below.

>   
>   
>   
>   
>   
>   
>   
>   
>   

You use this as follows:









Or you can just use "this" scope to have publicly accessible data
members:







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RE: CF Capability but not CF.

[Barney Boisvert]

If you want to use Java (which I'd recommend), baseically all you need to do
is come up with a language specification (or use CFML's), and then create a
system that will convert that language into Java source code, which can then
be compiled as you would any other Java class.  Along with that comes the
need to be able to do some reflection so that you can translate errors in
the Java back to the appropriate CFML (or whatever), as well as keep track
of when you need to update your Java files, based on the modification dates
of the templates.

In addition to the basic compilation, you'll also probably want to provide
functionality that Java doesn't provide, or at least encapsulate it into
more easily usable pieces, like CF does with CFQUERY and datasources.  Keep
in mind that you can also perform encapsulation with internal CFML (or
wahtever) templates, like CF does (for instance, CFDUMP and CFSAVECONTENT).
You'll definitely want to decide which pieces to encapulate first, or you'll
be throwing away alot of compilation work, because it'll become unneeded.

Apache Tomcat is a free Java Servlet container which would serve as a good
base, assuming you follow the CFML compiles to Java Servlets pattern, which
makes the most sense to me of the other options that come readily to mind.
I wouldn't worry about making deployment easy until you have a working
system, so I'd see the system initially working like this:

1) write the template in CFML or whatever
2) run a command line compiler to make the Java source
3) copy the Java source to the Tomcat application directory
4) load the pages and let Tomcat automatically compile the .java files into
.class files for you, as well as take care of putting them in the right
place in the filesystem.

Then once you have a langauge that you can use, you can start worrying about
rolling step 2-4 together.  You'll want a Tomcat app that encapsulates your
CFML-Java compiler, and then your CFML applications would be housed within
that application.  You'd want to set up an alternative mapping to your
compiler app so that it runs based on .cfm, rather like Struts' setup with
the .do extension.

Hopefully that all makes sense.

Footnote: I'm relying on logic here, not any actual experience working with
such a system, so don't flame me.  However, while I have no intention of
writing such a system, I'd be interested to hear feedback and suggestions.

barneyb

> -Original Message-
> From: Bryan F. Hogan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 9:33 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: OT: CF Capability but not CF.
>
>
> Does anyone know where or how I can learn about writing my own application
> server such as Blue Dragon has. This really interests me. Not that I could
> compete I would just like to know how it is done.
>
> 
> Bryan F. Hogan
> Director of Internet Development
> Macromedia Certified ColdFusion MX Developer
> Digital Bay Media, Inc.
> 1-877-72DIGITAL
> 
>
> 
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RE: SOT: Serv-U?

[Dave Watts]

> Choosing to use Serv-U instead of Windows 2000 Server's
> regular means of FTP account management is desirable
> because it's simpler and easier and provides more feedback
> on usage, etc.?

I think the answer to this will depend on what you're trying to accomplish.
Personally, I usually find the IIS FTP server to be sufficient for my uses,
but then again I'm not running a hosting company. The IIS FTP server has
some characteristics that will be advantages for some, and disadvantages for
others.

If you're providing FTP services to people who already have Windows accounts
in your domain, and aren't concerned about Windows account security
ramifications, IIS FTP is very nice, since you don't have to do any account
management at all - it simply uses your existing accounts. On the other
hand, if you want to provide non-anonymous FTP to a lot of people, you'll
probably prefer something that doesn't require you to add users to your
Windows user database.

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
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RE: OOP, Custom Tags..

[Dave Watts]

> why... have... I... not... seen... cfscript 
> until.. now?

You ... haven't ... read ... the ... documentation? It's in there.

If you're using CFMX, though, you might not even bother with it. Its
popularity is largely based on the fact that it's the only way to write
user-defined functions in CF 5. You can do a lot more (and do it better)
with the CFFUNCTION tag in CFMX.

> I'll look into the syntax more, but can you tell 
> me if I can include all my cfscripts in a separate 
> doc? I can just make it a cfinclude, why not

Yes, you can certainly do that - it's a very popular thing to do with CF 5.
You can download entire prewritten libraries from cflib.org, then just
CFINCLUDE them at the top of pages as appropriate, if you like.

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RE: SOT: Serv-U? on Win2K=great

[Rick Faircloth]

Thanks, Matt!

I'll give it a try...

Rick


>  -Original Message-
>  From: Matt Robertson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>  Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 11:55 AM
>  To: CF-Talk
>  Subject: Re: SOT: Serv-U? on Win2K=great
>
>
>  You don't have to disable iis ftp, but you certainly should,
>  since servu
>  replaces it entirely.  Only takes a few secs in the
>  component services
>  cpanel list.
>
>  Cheers,
>
>  --Matt Robertson--
>  MSB Designs, Inc.
>  http://mysecretbase.com
>
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Re: OOP, Custom Tags..

[Rahmin Pavlovic]

why... have... I... not... seen... cfscript until.. now?

How excellent - I - can't - wait

I'll look into the syntax more, but can you tell me if I can include all my
cfscripts in a separate doc? I can just make it a cfinclude, why not

This is great - thank you so much - I feel like a schoolgirl.


- Original Message -
From: "webguy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 12:07 PM
Subject: RE: OOP, Custom Tags..


> UDF = User Defined Functions
>
> with
>  or  function ...
>
> Check out cflib.org for examples (lots)
> including
>
> CapFirst(string)
> Returns the string with the first character of each word capitalized.
> http://www.cflib.org/udf.cfm?ID=9
>
> Nice one RayC.
>
> WG
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Rahmin Pavlovic [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: 31 January 2003 17:00
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: CF: OOP, Custom Tags..
> >
> >
> > Ok - so I have several standards I use that I'd like to abstract
> > into a more
> > global format. Like, to always capitalize the first letter of a
> > string I use
> > this method frequently:
> >
> > #UCase(Left(LCase(str), 1))##Mid(LCase(str), 2, Len(LCase(str)))#
> >
> > I do LCase() the string before capitalizing the first letter, but
> > this is an
> > example of something I'd like to have automated, or in some global form.
> >
> > So my first question is: can I create my own methods in CF?
> >
> > If so that'd be hot lunch on a hot plate. In this example, I'd extend my
> > string object to include my own Capitalize() method, and all'd be
toasty.
> >
> > In JS this'd be something along the lines of
> >
> > String.prototype.capitalize=function() {
> > return this.substring(0,1).toUpperCase() +
> > this.substring(1,this.length).toLowerCase();
> > }
> >
> > Does any know if there is an OO equivalent in CF?
> >
> > So my second question is: would something like this be better
accomplished
> > as a custom tag, and if so, is there a way to include a global library
of
> > stuff like this? Like, if I wanted to have my custom tag available in
all
> > sub-directories, can I point all templates to say: /cflib/Capitalize.cfm
?
> >
> > That'd be cool cause then I could just say something like
> >
> > 
> >
> > or better yet
> >
> > 
> >
> > I'm just trying to wrap my mind around the scope of this project
> > and part of
> > that is abstracting functionality like this.
> >
> > TIA for and and all tips n tricks.
> >
> > R
> >
> >
> 
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RE: CF Capability but not CF.

[Matthew Small]

Take a compiler class at a local university.  It will be plenty of
information.

There are a few books to read as well - there is a classic one, The
Dragon Book (Compilers: Principals, Techniques and Tools), which was
originally written in the 70s as Principles of Compiler Design (has been
updated since, mine was an '86 version) is by the gurus of compiler
design.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0201100886/qid=1044034661/
sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/104-0796221-7752719?v=glance&s=books

It's really boring, though.  The class, when taught properly, is
amazing.   

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-Original Message-
From: Bryan F. Hogan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 12:33 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: OT: CF Capability but not CF.

Does anyone know where or how I can learn about writing my own
application
server such as Blue Dragon has. This really interests me. Not that I
could
compete I would just like to know how it is done.


Bryan F. Hogan
Director of Internet Development
Macromedia Certified ColdFusion MX Developer
Digital Bay Media, Inc.
1-877-72DIGITAL



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RE: CF Capability but not CF.

[webguy]

Well AFIAK Bluedragon is basically a J2ee App (as is CFMX)
so you'll need to learn all about J2ee http://java.sun.com/j2ee/
Mostly servlets and Jsp/Tag libs/.

You can write you own "tag type" snytax using
Java Tag libs  look here
http://jakarta.apache.org/taglibs/index.html

You can also use these tags in CF using cfimport

WG



> -Original Message-
> From: Bryan F. Hogan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 31 January 2003 17:33
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: OT: CF Capability but not CF.
>
>
> Does anyone know where or how I can learn about writing my own application
> server such as Blue Dragon has. This really interests me. Not that I could
> compete I would just like to know how it is done.
>
> 
> Bryan F. Hogan
> Director of Internet Development
> Macromedia Certified ColdFusion MX Developer
> Digital Bay Media, Inc.
> 1-877-72DIGITAL
> 
>
> 
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OT: Flash example...

[Mark A. Kruger - CFG]

Any of you aussies out there know who did this site?  Very cool. 

http://www.soh.nsw.gov.au/h/t_virtual_tour_fs1.html

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OT: CF Capability but not CF.

[Bryan F. Hogan]

Does anyone know where or how I can learn about writing my own application
server such as Blue Dragon has. This really interests me. Not that I could
compete I would just like to know how it is done.


Bryan F. Hogan
Director of Internet Development
Macromedia Certified ColdFusion MX Developer
Digital Bay Media, Inc.
1-877-72DIGITAL


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Re: CFC Question

[Sean A Corfield]

On Friday, Jan 31, 2003, at 05:52 US/Pacific, Andy Ousterhout wrote:
> Ok, so in your example, Invoice "has-a" Ordering Person, how do I set
> FirstName?
>
> Invoice.OrderingPerson.setFirst("Sean"); ?

Not quite - see below.

>   
>   
>   
>   
>   
>   
>   
>   
>   

You use this as follows:









Or you can just use "this" scope to have publicly accessible data 
members:







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RE: CFMX on FreeBSD

[Joshua Miller]

May be a total shot in the dark, but since Mac OSX is BSD at the core,
you could try the OSX CFMXJ2EE version on BSD.
I would bet money BlueDragon J2EE runs on BSD.

I don't claim any BSD knowledge though, just my first thought.

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-Original Message-
From: Ben Arledge [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 12:12 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: CFMX on FreeBSD


Has anyone been able to get CFMX and FreeBSD working together? 

If so, have you experienced problems with this setup? Solutions?

And for the folks at Macromedia, is there a possibility that you will
support CF on this (superior) platform?


Thanks :)

Ben Arledge
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RE: CFMX on FreeBSD

[Cantrell, Adam]

Could you please update me on your findings if you find it through an
alternate source - I'm interested in this combination as well.

Adam.



> -Original Message-
> From: Ben Arledge [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 11:12 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: CFMX on FreeBSD
> 
> 
> Has anyone been able to get CFMX and FreeBSD working together? 
> 
> If so, have you experienced problems with this setup? Solutions?
> 
> And for the folks at Macromedia, is there a possibility that you will
> support CF on this (superior) platform?
> 
> 
> Thanks :)
> 
> Ben Arledge
> www.arledge.net
> 
> 
> 
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