urlencode mangling accented letters
I need to urlencode something. When it involves an accented letter, the letter comes out mangled as a series of symbols. Any solutions? __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: form.cfid ignored. Why?
From MM livedocs, cf5, which we are on: "you must maintain client state by passing CFID and CFToken between pages, either in hidden form fields or appended to URLs." > thats true, but there's nothing to stop you copying form.cfid and form. > token into into the URL scope, and this will do the trick as long as > its before the the CFapplication tag. Hmm. How do I ensure it's before the application? It's called first automatically, no? [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Flex is out
To be fair--- Lazslo (God I hate typing that) has a way of querying a DB... Dick On Mar 29, 2004, at 10:02 PM, Dick Applebaum wrote: > It is late, but I offer you this: > > http://www.laszlosystems.com/developers/learn/documentation/tutorials/ > data_app_7.php > > To do a dril-ldown the Flash Client, Laszlo (God I hate typing that) > invokes a Web service that: > > 1) invokes a JSP program > 2) the JSP program Queries the DB > 3) the JSP Prog converts the query to XML > 4)the Laszlo (God I hate typing that) program manipulates the XML > 5) the XML is sent to the client > > Unless I am way 'round the bend, that's a lotta' crap! > > Is XML to become the internal lingua franca of web apps (computer > programs) -- if so we all better get jobs with SBC > > Dick > > > > On Mar 29, 2004, at 8:33 PM, PC Wroble wrote: > > > FORGET flex! Go Laszlo! > > > > I was sick of waiting for flex since the beta list was so small > so > > I've been playing around with Laszlo (LPS) for a while. It rocks! > I > > figured Flex would be priced out of range of us small guys and of > > course it is. I actually thought it would start at about $5000 per > cpu > > which is way out of range of us small guys but it's even more than > I > > imagined. > > I had previously noted: > > > > >>But, since MM gives away the Flash player and Sells The IDE, I > think > > >>anything that provides an alternative to buying the IDE is a > > >>competitor, No? > > > > > >Well, yes, if this were really an alternative IDE. Laszlo does > not > > have an > > >IDE that I see. They assume you'll use another IDE to code your > > Laszlo > > >applications (which is fine by me). Further, from what I read on > > various > > >mailing lists from the true Flash pros, most of *them* don't > even > > use the > > >Flash IDE for most of their development work (most of which is in > > >ActionScript). > > > > See how use Eclipse as a Laszlo IDE at: > > http://www.laszlosystems.com/developers/community/forums/ > > showthread.php?s=&threadid=751 > > > > >>One thing I haven;t been able to determine is what LZ (Hate > typing > > >>Laszlo) sells -- and how much it costs. > > > > > >They sell the J2EE EAR/WAR file that contains the Laszlo engine. > > It's akin > > >to how Macromedia (most likely) will be offering the Flex engine > > when it's > > >done (integration with Blackstone aside, perhaps). As for price, > > they seem > > >to be like any other vendor who sells a pricey productyou > have > > to work > > >through a sales person to negotiate cost! Macromedia does with > with > > products > > >like Breeze, for example. > > > > Laszlo has changed their pricing/version model. For most of it's > life > > they just had the Enterpise Edition which was out of reach of > small > > guys. Just a few weeks ago they were selling the Professional > Edition > > for $995 (or $999) and the Enterprise Edition for $2495 (or > $2499). > > Last week they rebranded the Professional Edition as the Express > > Edition and changed the price to $1999 and you now have to call > the > > for pricing on the Enterprise edition. They probably had a run on > the > > Pro edition and realized they could get more for it plus they must > of > > had wind of the Flex pricing. In version 2 of the Developer Edition > it > > supported simultaneous connections from up to 2 remote IP > addresses > > per hour. In version DE 2.1 that was released the other day they > > changed it to support simultaneous connections from up to 5 remote > IP > > addresses per hour. Last week they also released the > Non-Commercial > > Edition which is free for no-commercial use. That should make it a > hit > > with non-profits &! other non-commercial uses. > > > > With the outrageous pricing of Flex and considering most of my > > clients are non-profits then Laszlo is for me. I'll be deleting > the > > idea Flex from my memory now. > > > > PC > > > [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Flex is out
It is late, but I offer you this: http://www.laszlosystems.com/developers/learn/documentation/tutorials/ data_app_7.php To do a dril-ldown the Flash Client, Laszlo (God I hate typing that) invokes a Web service that: 1) invokes a JSP program 2) the JSP program Queries the DB 3) the JSP Prog converts the query to XML 4)the Laszlo (God I hate typing that) program manipulates the XML 5) the XML is sent to the client Unless I am way 'round the bend, that's a lotta' crap! Is XML to become the internal lingua franca of web apps (computer programs) -- if so we all better get jobs with SBC Dick On Mar 29, 2004, at 8:33 PM, PC Wroble wrote: > FORGET flex! Go Laszlo! > > I was sick of waiting for flex since the beta list was so small so > I've been playing around with Laszlo (LPS) for a while. It rocks! I > figured Flex would be priced out of range of us small guys and of > course it is. I actually thought it would start at about $5000 per cpu > which is way out of range of us small guys but it's even more than I > imagined. > I had previously noted: > > >>But, since MM gives away the Flash player and Sells The IDE, I think > >>anything that provides an alternative to buying the IDE is a > >>competitor, No? > > > >Well, yes, if this were really an alternative IDE. Laszlo does not > have an > >IDE that I see. They assume you'll use another IDE to code your > Laszlo > >applications (which is fine by me). Further, from what I read on > various > >mailing lists from the true Flash pros, most of *them* don't even > use the > >Flash IDE for most of their development work (most of which is in > >ActionScript). > > See how use Eclipse as a Laszlo IDE at: > http://www.laszlosystems.com/developers/community/forums/ > showthread.php?s=&threadid=751 > > >>One thing I haven;t been able to determine is what LZ (Hate typing > >>Laszlo) sells -- and how much it costs. > > > >They sell the J2EE EAR/WAR file that contains the Laszlo engine. > It's akin > >to how Macromedia (most likely) will be offering the Flex engine > when it's > >done (integration with Blackstone aside, perhaps). As for price, > they seem > >to be like any other vendor who sells a pricey productyou have > to work > >through a sales person to negotiate cost! Macromedia does with with > products > >like Breeze, for example. > > Laszlo has changed their pricing/version model. For most of it's life > they just had the Enterpise Edition which was out of reach of small > guys. Just a few weeks ago they were selling the Professional Edition > for $995 (or $999) and the Enterprise Edition for $2495 (or $2499). > Last week they rebranded the Professional Edition as the Express > Edition and changed the price to $1999 and you now have to call the > for pricing on the Enterprise edition. They probably had a run on the > Pro edition and realized they could get more for it plus they must of > had wind of the Flex pricing. In version 2 of the Developer Edition it > supported simultaneous connections from up to 2 remote IP addresses > per hour. In version DE 2.1 that was released the other day they > changed it to support simultaneous connections from up to 5 remote IP > addresses per hour. Last week they also released the Non-Commercial > Edition which is free for no-commercial use. That should make it a hit > with non-profits &! other non-commercial uses. > > With the outrageous pricing of Flex and considering most of my > clients are non-profits then Laszlo is for me. I'll be deleting the > idea Flex from my memory now. > > PC > [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Flex is out
FORGET flex! Go Laszlo! I was sick of waiting for flex since the beta list was so small so I've been playing around with Laszlo (LPS) for a while. It rocks! I figured Flex would be priced out of range of us small guys and of course it is. I actually thought it would start at about $5000 per cpu which is way out of range of us small guys but it's even more than I imagined. I had previously noted: >>But, since MM gives away the Flash player and Sells The IDE, I think >>anything that provides an alternative to buying the IDE is a >>competitor, No? > >Well, yes, if this were really an alternative IDE. Laszlo does not have an >IDE that I see. They assume you'll use another IDE to code your Laszlo >applications (which is fine by me). Further, from what I read on various >mailing lists from the true Flash pros, most of *them* don't even use the >Flash IDE for most of their development work (most of which is in >ActionScript). See how use Eclipse as a Laszlo IDE at: http://www.laszlosystems.com/developers/community/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=751 >>One thing I haven;t been able to determine is what LZ (Hate typing >>Laszlo) sells -- and how much it costs. > >They sell the J2EE EAR/WAR file that contains the Laszlo engine. It's akin >to how Macromedia (most likely) will be offering the Flex engine when it's >done (integration with Blackstone aside, perhaps). As for price, they seem >to be like any other vendor who sells a pricey productyou have to work >through a sales person to negotiate cost! Macromedia does with with products >like Breeze, for example. Laszlo has changed their pricing/version model. For most of it's life they just had the Enterpise Edition which was out of reach of small guys. Just a few weeks ago they were selling the Professional Edition for $995 (or $999) and the Enterprise Edition for $2495 (or $2499). Last week they rebranded the Professional Edition as the Express Edition and changed the price to $1999 and you now have to call the for pricing on the Enterprise edition. They probably had a run on the Pro edition and realized they could get more for it plus they must of had wind of the Flex pricing. In version 2 of the Developer Edition it supported simultaneous connections from up to 2 remote IP addresses per hour. In version DE 2.1 that was released the other day they changed it to support simultaneous connections from up to 5 remote IP addresses per hour. Last week they also released the Non-Commercial Edition which is free for no-commercial use. That should make it a hit with non-profits & other non-commercial uses. With the outrageous pricing of Flex and considering most of my clients are non-profits then Laszlo is for me. I'll be deleting the idea Flex from my memory now. PC [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Flex is out
On Mon, 2004-03-29 at 21:11, Geoff Bowers wrote: > So Flex is expensive.. its a product we all want to use today but > probably won't be able to till tomorrow. We all fall somewhere within > the developer spectrum but none of us are everywhere at once. > > If Flex is successful in the enterprise space as Contribute has been in > the consumer space Macromedia would be on a winner, no? I guess, back to the beta max analogy (which is apples to windows) - they still use beta maxes in TV studios. I think I get where they are coming from though, for example: IBM WebSphere Application Server Advanced Edition 4.0 (20P5323) for PC, Unix - $12,108 Microsoft Content Management Server Enterprise Edition (V04-00018) for PC - $12,031 Microsoft Content Management Server Enterprise Edition For PC - $34,841 and while its true that M$ has like 80 billion dollars in the bank, it seems like if that is the market they want - then they are in the right price range. If they don't want the poor playing with their stuff, then so be it. -- Rob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Flex is out
eloquently stated geoff. it's the quarterly, mm is getting bought, cf is going to be gobbled up by .net, run and hide thread...its almost like we should have anniversary parties for it... tw -Original Message- From: Geoff Bowers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 12:11 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Flex is out Dwayne Cole wrote: >> if MACR sells 1.000 or even 10.000 Flex license they will be >> distracted and lose the war (IMO) > > I agree Dick, In fact I felt this way when they deployed Contribute. > RIA has promise but not if these guys lose focus by chasing consumer > (including corporations) markets, and trying to be all things to all > developers. Here we go again with another round of product releases > that we feel completely left out of. MM is completely distracted, > which considering understandable. They have alot of challenges - > shareholders, banks, a vertical integration strategy, diversified > product portfolio, intense competition - hell that's enough to keep > even the best managed companies distrated. Bah.. phooey. Microsoft releases new version of SQL Server. Office users squeal that they have been abandoned and that Microsoft have lost their focus. Or was that... Microsoft releases ASP.NET and Exchange users squeal that they have been abandoned and that Microsoft have lost their focus... Or was that... Just because MM are increasing their portfolio of products does not constitute a lack of developer focus. Has the release cycle for Studio suddenly doubled or something?? So Flex is expensive.. its a product we all want to use today but probably won't be able to till tomorrow. We all fall somewhere within the developer spectrum but none of us are everywhere at once. If Flex is successful in the enterprise space as Contribute has been in the consumer space Macromedia would be on a winner, no? -- geoff http://www.daemon.com.au/ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Flex is out
but we aren't MMs only customers. _ From: Dwayne Cole [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: March 29, 2004 10:39 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Flex is out >if MACR sells 1.000 or even 10.000 Flex license they will be distracted >and lose the war (IMO) > I agree Dick, In fact I felt this way when they deployed Contribute. RIA has promise but not if these guys lose focus by chasing consumer (including corporations) markets, and trying to be all things to all developers. Here we go again with another round of product releases that we feel completely left out of. MM is completely distracted, which considering understandable. They have alot of challenges - shareholders, banks, a vertical integration strategy, diversified product portfolio, intense competition - hell that's enough to keep even the best managed companies distrated. _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Flex is out
Dwayne Cole wrote: >> if MACR sells 1.000 or even 10.000 Flex license they will be >> distracted and lose the war (IMO) > > I agree Dick, In fact I felt this way when they deployed Contribute. > RIA has promise but not if these guys lose focus by chasing consumer > (including corporations) markets, and trying to be all things to all > developers. Here we go again with another round of product releases > that we feel completely left out of. MM is completely distracted, > which considering understandable. They have alot of challenges - > shareholders, banks, a vertical integration strategy, diversified > product portfolio, intense competition - hell that's enough to keep > even the best managed companies distrated. Bah.. phooey. Microsoft releases new version of SQL Server. Office users squeal that they have been abandoned and that Microsoft have lost their focus. Or was that... Microsoft releases ASP.NET and Exchange users squeal that they have been abandoned and that Microsoft have lost their focus... Or was that... Just because MM are increasing their portfolio of products does not constitute a lack of developer focus. Has the release cycle for Studio suddenly doubled or something?? So Flex is expensive.. its a product we all want to use today but probably won't be able to till tomorrow. We all fall somewhere within the developer spectrum but none of us are everywhere at once. If Flex is successful in the enterprise space as Contribute has been in the consumer space Macromedia would be on a winner, no? -- geoff http://www.daemon.com.au/ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Flex is out
Dwayne Rob said it all: "(Bit disenchanted sorry)" On Mar 29, 2004, at 8:38 PM, Dwayne Cole wrote: > >if MACR sells 1.000 or even 10.000 Flex license they will be > distracted > >and lose the war (IMO) > > > > I agree Dick, In fact I felt this way when they deployed Contribute. > RIA has promise but not if these guys lose focus by chasing consumer > (including corporations) markets, and trying to be all things to all > developers. Here we go again with another round of product releases > that we feel completely left out of. MM is completely distracted, > which considering understandable. They have alot of challenges - > shareholders, banks, a vertical integration strategy, diversified > product portfolio, intense competition - hell that's enough to keep > even the best managed companies distrated. > [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Flex is out
>if MACR sells 1.000 or even 10.000 Flex license they will be distracted >and lose the war (IMO) > I agree Dick, In fact I felt this way when they deployed Contribute. RIA has promise but not if these guys lose focus by chasing consumer (including corporations) markets, and trying to be all things to all developers. Here we go again with another round of product releases that we feel completely left out of. MM is completely distracted, which considering understandable. They have alot of challenges - shareholders, banks, a vertical integration strategy, diversified product portfolio, intense competition - hell that's enough to keep even the best managed companies distrated. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Flex is out
While I'm sure the niche, enterprise market is lucrative, I think there is enough enthusiasm among the poorer folk to have driven some impressive sales volume in this product. > >It just seems like is overlooking a opportunity to build a tremendous technology advantage, catching Microsoft on its backfoot. > DITTO! Dwayne Cole, MS in MIS, MBA Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer 850-591-0212 [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Flex is out
I predict that Macromedia is going to sell off ColdFusion within the next 2 years. Their product portfolio is too diversified and their customer segments have very little in common - Flash, ColdFusion, Director, Fireworks, Breeze, and now Flex - very different developer communities. Macromedia is all over the place and their strongest commitment is still to their original flagship product lines. ColdFusion was only valuable to MM because it provided the "dynamic" support that Flash was missing and it was much better than ultra-dev. Now that .NET and PHP is gaining strength, Macromedia is having a difficult time staying loyal. Don't get me wrong, with out a doubt, Macromedia has done a very good job with ColdFusion MX (I still think they made a serious mistake by abandoning ColdFusion Studio) but I do not believe that they are willing and better yet capable of providing the necessary support to ensure that "ColdFusion Development" stay ahead of the pack (.NET, PHP, ASP). From an operational perspective, I don't think it's sustainable effort. I respect Macromedia's apparent strategy but I believe that selling off ColdFusion to a very close and "up and coming" partner will do both Macromedia and ColdFusion a great deal of good. If they don't sell off ColdFusion they should and probably will sell off something else because they are struggling trying to hold it all (ColdFusion, Breeze, Authorware, SoundEdit, Director, Contribute, Flex, Dreamweaver etc.) together. If they have smart people on their board of directors, they are probably having this discussion as we speak, if not we should all be concerned. We should be greatful to MM for it's investment and support of the Community, but don't do to ColdFusion what Eisner did to Disney and what TimeWarner did to AOL. Dwayne Cole, MS in MIS, MBA Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer 850-591-0212 "It can truly be said that nothing happens until there is vision. But it is equally true that a vision with no underlying sense of purpose, no calling, is just a good idea - all "sound and fury, signifying nothing." The Fifth Discipline - Peter Senge -- Original Message -- From: Dick Applebaum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 19:47:49 -0800 >After reflection: > >I was very upset, as are most of about a missed opportunity. > >But the market will decide > >yes, the market will decide > >Dick > >On Mar 29, 2004, at 7:15 PM, Dick Applebaum wrote: > >> Danielle >> >> I agree with most (if not all) of what you say. >> >> RIAs... yes >> >> Flex (half a job well done) --- yeah, in theory! >> >> But a separate, very expensive, server to do half a job --- why, >> little >> potential gain (IMO) and big potential loss (also IMO) >> >> if MACR sells 1.000 or even 10.000 Flex license they will be >> distracted >> and lose the war (IMO) >> >> Dick >> >> On Mar 29, 2004, at 6:01 PM, Danielle Romain wrote: >> >> > If Macromedia sees the Internet's future in RIAs (a point to which I >> > agree, BTW), how does a $12000 product enable that future? >> > >> > Flex succeeds because it bring the positives of Flash of a content >> > delivery standpoint while freeing developers of the Flash IDE, which >> > some find very intimidating. >> > >> > In the next generation of Internet applications, it is going to be >> > tough to discern between a web app and a traditional desktop >> > application. This is the same motivation, I think, behind >> Microsoft's >> > XAML, due out with Longhorn. Given the delays in Longhorn, its deep >> > Flash development base and legions of ColdFusion developers, MM has >> > roughly 1 year to grab market and mindshare. While I'm sure the >> > niche, enterprise market is lucrative, I think there is enough >> > enthusiasm among the poorer folk to have driven some impressive >> sales >> > volume in this product. >> > >> > It just seems like is overlooking a opportunity to build a >> tremendous >> > technology advantage, catching Microsoft on its backfoot. >> > >> > > [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Flex is out
(Bit disenchanted sorry) On Mon, 2004-03-29 at 19:46, Dave Carabetta wrote: > > If Macromedia sees the Internet's future in RIAs (a point to which I > agree, BTW), how does a $12000 product enable that future? > > > > To a certain extent, it helps to establish legitimacy among larger (read: > enterprise) organizations. Why not make it a billion dollars then. Then they'll really think it's great. I don't know many CTOs (let alone CFOs) that would want to spend 12,000 on a technology that is not totally proven. You think it's a good idea, I think its a good idea... but c'mon. > And along the way, they can generate some revenue to > make up for the R&D that went in to the Flex development process. ... whatever ... > I don't > know if I see the $12K price tag and the be all, end all of Flex pricing. In > the future, with the potential integration with CFMX and increased small > business awareness, there will probably be multiple pricing points which > will make Flex more affordable to a broader development base. This confuses me to no end here. So this is like the trickle down theory? I guess thats it. > > Flex succeeds because it bring the positives of Flash of a content > delivery standpoint while freeing developers of the Flash IDE, which some > find very intimidating. > > > > I think that Flex succeeds because it opens the Flash development process up > to a wider developer community who don't think in terms of timelines. ... Don't think in terms of timelines and have 12,000 bucks - that's more than I spent on my car btw - so this product is definitely not for me or any of my clients (or anyone I speak to) > Flex may indeed have its issues that will take some growing pains to sort > out, but I don't think that pricing will be the make-or-break for the > product. Yeah... like the beta max right. The growing pain is orders of magnitude higher then any tiny like rib pain or something - more like fatal cranial trauma. I was so stoked to use it too... -- Rob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Flex is out
But, given the jsp taglibs... is that all there is? On Mar 29, 2004, at 6:45 PM, Danielle Romain wrote: > Actually, I think MM is right not to have created a "full" server > product with Flex. It seems that their strategy is to incorporate > Flex functionality into the next version of CF. But I think it would > have been an equally poor choice to lock Flex with ColdFusion > development. Macromedia has done a good job in making products like > Flash, Dreamweaver, et al., applicable to developers using CF, .NET, > PHP or whatever. > > I think it's safe to assume that current Flash RIAs are sitting on > top of a separate web server (be it CF, or something else). So, the > frustration I among developers I have heard from today is not in Flex > being a separate server, but its price. > > I get the impression that developers see the need and usefulness of a > product like Flex today, but don't want to wait for Blackstone and > don't have an enterprise budget to work with. I am one of them. > [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Flex is out
After reflection: I was very upset, as are most of about a missed opportunity. But the market will decide yes, the market will decide Dick On Mar 29, 2004, at 7:15 PM, Dick Applebaum wrote: > Danielle > > I agree with most (if not all) of what you say. > > RIAs... yes > > Flex (half a job well done) --- yeah, in theory! > > But a separate, very expensive, server to do half a job --- why, > little > potential gain (IMO) and big potential loss (also IMO) > > if MACR sells 1.000 or even 10.000 Flex license they will be > distracted > and lose the war (IMO) > > Dick > > On Mar 29, 2004, at 6:01 PM, Danielle Romain wrote: > > > If Macromedia sees the Internet's future in RIAs (a point to which I > > agree, BTW), how does a $12000 product enable that future? > > > > Flex succeeds because it bring the positives of Flash of a content > > delivery standpoint while freeing developers of the Flash IDE, which > > some find very intimidating. > > > > In the next generation of Internet applications, it is going to be > > tough to discern between a web app and a traditional desktop > > application. This is the same motivation, I think, behind > Microsoft's > > XAML, due out with Longhorn. Given the delays in Longhorn, its deep > > Flash development base and legions of ColdFusion developers, MM has > > roughly 1 year to grab market and mindshare. While I'm sure the > > niche, enterprise market is lucrative, I think there is enough > > enthusiasm among the poorer folk to have driven some impressive > sales > > volume in this product. > > > > It just seems like is overlooking a opportunity to build a > tremendous > > technology advantage, catching Microsoft on its backfoot. > > > [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Flex is out
> If Macromedia sees the Internet's future in RIAs (a point to which I agree, BTW), how does a $12000 product enable that future? > To a certain extent, it helps to establish legitimacy among larger (read: enterprise) organizations. From a business standpoint, MM has a unique opportunity to present Flash-based RIAs to the enterprise and market its potential as something other than the annoying ads a lot of corporate execs associate with Flash. And along the way, they can generate some revenue to make up for the R&D that went in to the Flex development process. I don't know if I see the $12K price tag and the be all, end all of Flex pricing. In the future, with the potential integration with CFMX and increased small business awareness, there will probably be multiple pricing points which will make Flex more affordable to a broader development base. > Flex succeeds because it bring the positives of Flash of a content delivery standpoint while freeing developers of the Flash IDE, which some find very intimidating. > I think that Flex succeeds because it opens the Flash development process up to a wider developer community who don't think in terms of timelines. > In the next generation of Internet applications, it is going to be tough to discern between a web app and a traditional desktop application. This is the same motivation, I think, behind Microsoft's XAML, due out with Longhorn. Given the delays in Longhorn, its deep Flash development base and legions of ColdFusion developers, MM has roughly 1 year to grab market and mindshare. While I'm sure the niche, enterprise market is lucrative, I think there is enough enthusiasm among the poorer folk to have driven some impressive sales volume in this product. > Why one year? Longhorn isn't slated until at least late 2006, and by some MS blog accounts, perhaps 2007. That's two to three years. On top of that, you can't assume that pople will race to adopt the Avalon platform if for no other reason than users, especially corporate users, will not flock to upgrade to the new release. At least with Flex, you get the ability to develop applications that can be used by people now, let alone two to three years from now. > It just seems like is overlooking a opportunity to build a tremendous technology advantage, catching Microsoft on its backfoot. > Again, I think it's a bit premature to determine what opportunity Macromedia does and doesn't take advantage of. I mean, this product has been out for one day!! To presume that what you see today is what you'll see in a year, if not earlier, is probably a bit short-sighted. If cost is indeed a factor for you and your clients, you can still use the developer version to get up to speed until such time as the pricing becomes more affordable. Flex may indeed have its issues that will take some growing pains to sort out, but I don't think that pricing will be the make-or-break for the product. Regards, Dave. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Flex is out
Actually, I think MM is right not to have created a "full" server product with Flex. It seems that their strategy is to incorporate Flex functionality into the next version of CF. But I think it would have been an equally poor choice to lock Flex with ColdFusion development. Macromedia has done a good job in making products like Flash, Dreamweaver, et al., applicable to developers using CF, .NET, PHP or whatever. I think it's safe to assume that current Flash RIAs are sitting on top of a separate web server (be it CF, or something else). So, the frustration I among developers I have heard from today is not in Flex being a separate server, but its price. I get the impression that developers see the need and usefulness of a product like Flex today, but don't want to wait for Blackstone and don't have an enterprise budget to work with. I am one of them. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Speeding up the conversion of a Query to XML function
Opps...forgot to paste the code:
/**
* Generates an XMLDoc object from a basic CF Query.
*
* @param query The query to transform. (Required)
* @param rootElement Name of the root node. (Default is "query.")
(Optional)
* @param row Name of each row. Default is "row." (Optional)
* @param nodeMode Defines the structure of the resulting
XML. Options are 1) "values" (default), which makes each value of each
column mlText of individual nodes; 2) "columns", which makes each value of
each column an attribute of a node for that column; 3) "rows", which makes
each row a node, with the column names as attributes. (Optional)
* @return Returns a string.
* @author Nathan Dintenfass
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
* @version 2, November 15, 2002
*/
function queryToXML(query){
//the default name of the root element
var root = "query";
//the default name of each row
var row = "row";
//make an array of the columns for looping
var cols = listToArray(query.columnList);
//which mode will we use?
var nodeMode = "values";
//vars for iterating
var ii = 1;
var rr = 1;
//vars for holding the values of the current column and value
var thisColumn = "";
var thisValue = "";
//a new xmlDoc
var xml = xmlNew();
//if there are 2 arguments, the second one is name of the root element
if(structCount(arguments) GTE 2)
root = arguments[2];
//if there are 3 arguments, the third one is the name each element
if(structCount(arguments) GTE 3)
row = arguments[3];
//if there is a 4th argument, it's the nodeMode
if(structCount(arguments) GTE 4)
nodeMode = arguments[4];
//create the root node
xml.xmlRoot = xmlElemNew(xml,root);
//capture basic info in attributes of the root node
xml[root].xmlAttributes["columns"] = arrayLen(cols);
xml[root].xmlAttributes["rows"] = query.recordCount;
//loop over the recordcount of the query and add a row for each one
for(rr = 1; rr LTE query.recordCount; rr = rr + 1){
arrayAppend(xml[root].xmlChildren,xmlElemNew(xml,row));
//loop over the columns, populating the values of this row
for(ii = 1; ii LTE arrayLen(cols); ii = ii + 1){
thisColumn = lcase(cols[ii]);
thisValue = query[cols[ii]][rr];
switch(nodeMode){
case "rows":
xml[root][row][rr].xmlAttributes[thisColumn]
= thisValue;
break;
case "columns":
arrayAppend(xml[root][row][rr].xmlChildren,xmlElemNew(xml,thisColumn));
xml[root][row][rr][thisColumn].xmlAttributes["value"]
= thisValue;
break;
default:
arrayAppend(xml[root][row][rr].xmlChildren,xmlElemNew(xml,thisColumn));
xml[root][row][rr][thisColumn].xmlText
= thisValue;
}
}
}
//return the xmlDoc
return xml;
}
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Speeding up the conversion of a Query to XML function
I've been using this UDF (below) to convert a recordset to XML for use in webservice. It appears to be really slow with a recordset > 500. Is there a faster way to arrive at the same resulting XML? Brook [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Flex is out
Danielle I agree with most (if not all) of what you say. RIAs... yes Flex (half a job well done) --- yeah, in theory! But a separate, very expensive, server to do half a job --- why, little potential gain (IMO) and big potential loss (also IMO) if MACR sells 1.000 or even 10.000 Flex license they will be distracted and lose the war (IMO) Dick On Mar 29, 2004, at 6:01 PM, Danielle Romain wrote: > If Macromedia sees the Internet's future in RIAs (a point to which I > agree, BTW), how does a $12000 product enable that future? > > Flex succeeds because it bring the positives of Flash of a content > delivery standpoint while freeing developers of the Flash IDE, which > some find very intimidating. > > In the next generation of Internet applications, it is going to be > tough to discern between a web app and a traditional desktop > application. This is the same motivation, I think, behind Microsoft's > XAML, due out with Longhorn. Given the delays in Longhorn, its deep > Flash development base and legions of ColdFusion developers, MM has > roughly 1 year to grab market and mindshare. While I'm sure the > niche, enterprise market is lucrative, I think there is enough > enthusiasm among the poorer folk to have driven some impressive sales > volume in this product. > > It just seems like is overlooking a opportunity to build a tremendous > technology advantage, catching Microsoft on its backfoot. > [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: RSS Feeds
Eric,
On Monday, March 29, 2004, 7:13:50 PM, you wrote:
EH> Any quick good pointers to cf-based tag to pull rss feeds?
Here is something that has worked for me. MX is required. I'm not sure
if the method for detecting the feed type is all that great, but so
far so good.
It is set up to accept a list of feed URLs and return a record for
each. Within each 'meta' record is a 'results' cell which contains the
articles retrieved for that URL.
xmldoc=xmlparse(cfhttp.filecontent);
if(xmlchildpos(xmldoc,"rss",1) eq 1){
pathtometa="rss.channel";
pathtoitems="rss.channel.item";
}else{
pathtometa="rdf.channel";
pathtoitems="rdf.item";
}
meta=evaluate("xmldoc."&pathtometa);
items=evaluate("xmldoc."&pathtoitems);
if(structkeyexists(meta[1],"title")){title=meta[1].title.xmltext;}else{title="";}
if(structkeyexists(meta[1],"link")){link=meta[1].link.xmltext;}else{link="";}
if(structkeyexists(meta[1],"description")){desc=meta[1].description.xmltext;}else{desc="";}
queryaddrow(qrymeta);
querysetcell(qrymeta,"title",title);
querysetcell(qrymeta,"link",link);
querysetcell(qrymeta,"desc",desc);
querysetcell(qrymeta,"source",thisurl);
qryitems=querynew("title,link,desc");
for(i=1;i lte arraylen(items);i=i+1){
if(structkeyexists(items[i],"title")){title=items[i].title.xmltext;}else{title="";}
if(structkeyexists(items[i],"link")){link=items[i].link.xmltext;}else{link="";}
if(structkeyexists(items[i],"description")){desc=items[i].description.xmltext;}else{desc="";}
queryaddrow(qryitems);
querysetcell(qryitems,"title",title);
querysetcell(qryitems,"link",link);
querysetcell(qryitems,"desc",desc);
}
querysetcell(qrymeta,"results",qryitems);
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Re: Flex is out
If Macromedia sees the Internet's future in RIAs (a point to which I agree, BTW), how does a $12000 product enable that future? Flex succeeds because it bring the positives of Flash of a content delivery standpoint while freeing developers of the Flash IDE, which some find very intimidating. In the next generation of Internet applications, it is going to be tough to discern between a web app and a traditional desktop application. This is the same motivation, I think, behind Microsoft's XAML, due out with Longhorn. Given the delays in Longhorn, its deep Flash development base and legions of ColdFusion developers, MM has roughly 1 year to grab market and mindshare. While I'm sure the niche, enterprise market is lucrative, I think there is enough enthusiasm among the poorer folk to have driven some impressive sales volume in this product. It just seems like is overlooking a opportunity to build a tremendous technology advantage, catching Microsoft on its backfoot. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Flex is out
For Flex: 1) MXML file which is your Flex XML source 2) Browser requests mxml file 3) Flex compiles the application (first time only) and delivers SWF to the client browser 4) Application residing in the client browser can now interact with systems using Web Services, Java Objects, Remoting, XML over HTTP etc Myself I use a CF backing using both WS and Remoting...but I also tie into other systems via Web Services...somewhat of a central UI. -Stace _ From: Dick Applebaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 9:17 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Flex is out Considered responses, both! After discovering that flex has no backend db capability (RIA with static data). i guess. I looked again at Laszlo (damn I hate typing that) & what they do is: 1) use a jsp (or somesuch) ti issue the SQL dbquery 2) convert the query to XML (pay attention) 3) manipulate the XML within the Laszlo app (kidding, right) 4) send pure XML (or variation) to the client (still with me) 5) the client manipulates tis XML and generations data for the Presentation layer (I am Joking, right) Tell me that Flex doesn't follow the same model. Dick On Mar 29, 2004, at 6:06 PM, Barney Boisvert wrote: > If you take a look at Flash Remoting Server, it's $999 for a single > proc. > And yet CFMX Pro is $1399 for dual proc, and includes all the flash > remoting > stuff. We might all be pleasantly surprised to see that with CF 7 MM > decides to throw in a very potent Flex engine to help get market > penetration. If people are so fixed on non-CF J2EE or .NET that they > are > willing to spend $12K on Flex, it seems unlikely to me that they'll > suddenly > decide to bail on that and switch to CF, so I don't know that MM > would be > massively hurt in the enterprise sales area. > > Of course, I'm a coke monkey, not a business guru, so who knows. > > Cheers, > barneyb > > > -Original Message- > > From: Dave Carabetta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 5:53 PM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: Re: Flex is out > > > > >After reading Ben's preso and paper I am beginning to > > understand where > > >Flex fits vis-a-avis CFMX --- but it would be a lot clearer > > if the flex > > >jsp taglibs were available to CFMX. > > > > > >I am beginning to think that we are trying to slice web > > application pie > > >into too many slices (communication. help apps, demos, PIAs (Poor > > >Internet/Interface Apps), yadda, yadda, yadda! > > > > > >Do we really need separate servers for all these different slices > of > > >the same pie? > > > > > > > I don't think that we're slicing the "web application pie" > > into too many > > slices. I think Macromedia has made it abundantly clear that > > their vision of > > the internet's future centers around RIAs. Flex, in my mind, > > is their next > > logical step in that road map. They now have two products on > > the market that > > enterprise shops can look to to create two critical pieces of a web > > application -- the presentation and the business logic (let's > > leave the > > pricing aspect for another thread!). > > > > I think the current disconnect between Flex and CFMX is > > simply a result of > > completely different release cycles (obviously, since Flex > > never existed > > before today!). I would look for Blackstone (CF 7) to provide a more > > seamless integration of the CF/Flex libraries. My only > > hesitation with that > > is that I can only imagine what the integration of these two > > enterprise > > applications will mean to product pricing!! > > > > Regards, > > Dave. > > > > > > > > > _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Flex is out
Considered responses, both! After discovering that flex has no backend db capability (RIA with static data). i guess. I looked again at Laszlo (damn I hate typing that) & what they do is: 1) use a jsp (or somesuch) ti issue the SQL dbquery 2) convert the query to XML (pay attention) 3) manipulate the XML within the Laszlo app (kidding, right) 4) send pure XML (or variation) to the client (still with me) 5) the client manipulates tis XML and generations data for the Presentation layer (I am Joking, right) Tell me that Flex doesn't follow the same model. Dick On Mar 29, 2004, at 6:06 PM, Barney Boisvert wrote: > If you take a look at Flash Remoting Server, it's $999 for a single > proc. > And yet CFMX Pro is $1399 for dual proc, and includes all the flash > remoting > stuff. We might all be pleasantly surprised to see that with CF 7 MM > decides to throw in a very potent Flex engine to help get market > penetration. If people are so fixed on non-CF J2EE or .NET that they > are > willing to spend $12K on Flex, it seems unlikely to me that they'll > suddenly > decide to bail on that and switch to CF, so I don't know that MM > would be > massively hurt in the enterprise sales area. > > Of course, I'm a coke monkey, not a business guru, so who knows. > > Cheers, > barneyb > > > -Original Message- > > From: Dave Carabetta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 5:53 PM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: Re: Flex is out > > > > >After reading Ben's preso and paper I am beginning to > > understand where > > >Flex fits vis-a-avis CFMX --- but it would be a lot clearer > > if the flex > > >jsp taglibs were available to CFMX. > > > > > >I am beginning to think that we are trying to slice web > > application pie > > >into too many slices (communication. help apps, demos, PIAs (Poor > > >Internet/Interface Apps), yadda, yadda, yadda! > > > > > >Do we really need separate servers for all these different slices > of > > >the same pie? > > > > > > > I don't think that we're slicing the "web application pie" > > into too many > > slices. I think Macromedia has made it abundantly clear that > > their vision of > > the internet's future centers around RIAs. Flex, in my mind, > > is their next > > logical step in that road map. They now have two products on > > the market that > > enterprise shops can look to to create two critical pieces of a web > > application -- the presentation and the business logic (let's > > leave the > > pricing aspect for another thread!). > > > > I think the current disconnect between Flex and CFMX is > > simply a result of > > completely different release cycles (obviously, since Flex > > never existed > > before today!). I would look for Blackstone (CF 7) to provide a more > > seamless integration of the CF/Flex libraries. My only > > hesitation with that > > is that I can only imagine what the integration of these two > > enterprise > > applications will mean to product pricing!! > > > > Regards, > > Dave. > > > > > > > > > [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Flex is out
If you take a look at Flash Remoting Server, it's $999 for a single proc. And yet CFMX Pro is $1399 for dual proc, and includes all the flash remoting stuff. We might all be pleasantly surprised to see that with CF 7 MM decides to throw in a very potent Flex engine to help get market penetration. If people are so fixed on non-CF J2EE or .NET that they are willing to spend $12K on Flex, it seems unlikely to me that they'll suddenly decide to bail on that and switch to CF, so I don't know that MM would be massively hurt in the enterprise sales area. Of course, I'm a coke monkey, not a business guru, so who knows. Cheers, barneyb > -Original Message- > From: Dave Carabetta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 5:53 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: Flex is out > > >After reading Ben's preso and paper I am beginning to > understand where > >Flex fits vis-a-avis CFMX --- but it would be a lot clearer > if the flex > >jsp taglibs were available to CFMX. > > > >I am beginning to think that we are trying to slice web > application pie > >into too many slices (communication. help apps, demos, PIAs (Poor > >Internet/Interface Apps), yadda, yadda, yadda! > > > >Do we really need separate servers for all these different slices of > >the same pie? > > > > I don't think that we're slicing the "web application pie" > into too many > slices. I think Macromedia has made it abundantly clear that > their vision of > the internet's future centers around RIAs. Flex, in my mind, > is their next > logical step in that road map. They now have two products on > the market that > enterprise shops can look to to create two critical pieces of a web > application -- the presentation and the business logic (let's > leave the > pricing aspect for another thread!). > > I think the current disconnect between Flex and CFMX is > simply a result of > completely different release cycles (obviously, since Flex > never existed > before today!). I would look for Blackstone (CF 7) to provide a more > seamless integration of the CF/Flex libraries. My only > hesitation with that > is that I can only imagine what the integration of these two > enterprise > applications will mean to product pricing!! > > Regards, > Dave. > > > > [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Flex is out
>After reading Ben's preso and paper I am beginning to understand where >Flex fits vis-a-avis CFMX --- but it would be a lot clearer if the flex >jsp taglibs were available to CFMX. > >I am beginning to think that we are trying to slice web application pie >into too many slices (communication. help apps, demos, PIAs (Poor >Internet/Interface Apps), yadda, yadda, yadda! > >Do we really need separate servers for all these different slices of >the same pie? > I don't think that we're slicing the "web application pie" into too many slices. I think Macromedia has made it abundantly clear that their vision of the internet's future centers around RIAs. Flex, in my mind, is their next logical step in that road map. They now have two products on the market that enterprise shops can look to to create two critical pieces of a web application -- the presentation and the business logic (let's leave the pricing aspect for another thread!). I think the current disconnect between Flex and CFMX is simply a result of completely different release cycles (obviously, since Flex never existed before today!). I would look for Blackstone (CF 7) to provide a more seamless integration of the CF/Flex libraries. My only hesitation with that is that I can only imagine what the integration of these two enterprise applications will mean to product pricing!! Regards, Dave. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
CF Classified Ads Program
Excuse me, does anyone know of a CF classifieds Ad program I can purchase? I currently use a UNIX based one that is about 8 years old, and I would like to switch to CF. I have not had any luck locating one, but I figure there must be one out there. Thanks CF'ers! Tom [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: RSS Feeds
>Any quick good pointers to cf-based tag to pull rss feeds? > >Gracias, thanks, et al! > >Regards, > >Eric J. Hoffman >Managing Partner >Datastream Connexion, LLC >1.888.690.2893 > >results. delivered. CFLib.org has a good UDF that works with CF5 and MX http://www.cflib.org/udf.cfm?ID=813 >From the site: Description Takes a RSS feed from Blogger, Slashdot, ZDNet, etc and translates into a CF query. Based on the function TranslateMacromediaResourceFeed by Jeffry Houser ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). Also EasyCFM.com has a pretty good tutorial on how to process RSS feeds: http://tutorial208.easycfm.com/ hth, larry [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RSS Feeds
Any quick good pointers to cf-based tag to pull rss feeds? Gracias, thanks, et al! Regards, Eric J. Hoffman Managing Partner Datastream Connexion, LLC 1.888.690.2893 results. delivered. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: RE: asp.net...yuk
Then don't insult people on the list. - Original Message - From: Dan Farmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Monday, March 29, 2004 4:37 pm Subject: Re: RE: asp.net...yuk > Hey Kwang, you've had a pickle up your butt for about three months > now... > why not settle down and just enjoy the list instead? > > > __ > Daniel Farmer > Producer / Coldfusion Developer > http://www.bernardclark.com/danfarmer.ca > P: 613.284.1684 > > > > > > >From: Kwang Suh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: Re: RE: asp.net...yuk > >Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 16:25:44 -0700 > > > >If someone wants to have a reasonable conversation about ASP.NET > vs. CF, > >fine. If someone wants to bash ASP.NET and provide no reasons > why it's > >"yukky", well, where's the value in that? How many "CF is better > > >technology here>" threads do we need? > > > >- Original Message - > >From: "Michael T. Tangorre" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Date: Monday, March 29, 2004 4:16 pm > >Subject: RE: asp.net...yuk > > > > > CF-COMMUNITY is rarely techie from what I have seen. Lots of > > > conversationsabout politics, news, jokes, etc... > > > I love when people complain about a topic being too "non cf-talk" > > > and they > > > feel the need to respond, only adding to the total number of > > > threads and > > > replies on the very topic they were initially complaining about! > > > Haha. :-) > > > > > > CF v. .NET seems legit to me on here as long as CF remains > part of the > > > discussion; but then again, Mikey D may think otherwise and drop > > > kick this > > > thread into the CF-COMMUNITY. > > > > > > We shall see. > > > > > > I feel as though the more you can learn, the better off you are. > > > Technologychanges so fast and the more tools you have in your box > > > the better. I love > > > CF and it is the right tool for a lot of jobs, just as .NET offers > > > the right > > > tools for a lot of jobs. The thing to remember is that you > realy limit > > > yourself if you limit your skills. I say try and learn it all, > > > some things > > > faster than others and some things more in depth than others, but > > > damn, get > > > your feet wet at least... It might just save you that cross > country> > relocation because you can not find a CF job in your > area. :-) > > > > > > My 2 cents. > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > This isn't CF-Talk? Sounds like it has all the world to do > > > > with CF, and > > > > people seem to want to talk about it. > > > > > > > > While we're at it, what is the difference between CF-Talk and > > > > CF-Community? Sounds pretty redundant, which is good in the > > > > techie world, > > > > but not in the human world > > > > > > > > Just looking for clarification! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: RE: asp.net...yuk
DUDE, please. You are picking at anything right now. While it was not explicitly stated in that email, I think that everyone here made the assumption that the 'likeable, fun, efficient, suitable, ease of use' did not mean FORTRAN. Time to go home before this nasty case of the Monday blahs get me booted off this list before I have had a real chance to enjoy it. Ray At 06:35 PM 3/29/2004, Kwang Suh wrote: >There's a mention in Dan's original message about CF? News to me: > >"It's not an issue of not liking learning new things. The issue is whether or >not the new thing you are learning is likeable. And in this case likeable, >fun, efficient, suitable, ease of use etc...which in my opinion asp.net >fails on most counts for most small to medium web projects... which lucky >for me, is where I'm at." > >Where's CF mentioned here? > >- Original Message - >From: Ray Champagne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Date: Monday, March 29, 2004 4:27 pm >Subject: RE: asp.net...yuk > > > That is the best answer I have gotten yet. > > > > Is the delete button really that hard to operate? I could see the > > complaint if we were discussing Wil Ferrell's new movie, but this > > is a > > slightly OT convo about CF vs. MS. > > > > I agree with Dan > > > > Ray > > > > At 06:24 PM 3/29/2004, Dan Farmer wrote: > > >It's called some people are anal retentive. Probably MS folks. > > > > > > > > >__ > > >Daniel Farmer > > >Producer / Coldfusion Developer > > >http://www.bernardclark.com/danfarmer.ca > > >P: 613.284.1684 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Michael T. Tangorre" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >Subject: RE: asp.net...yuk > > > >Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 18:16:12 -0500 > > > > > > > >CF-COMMUNITY is rarely techie from what I have seen. Lots of > > conversations> >about politics, news, jokes, etc... > > > >I love when people complain about a topic being too "non cf- > > talk" and they > > > >feel the need to respond, only adding to the total number of > > threads and > > > >replies on the very topic they were initially complaining > > about! Haha. :-) > > > > > > > >CF v. .NET seems legit to me on here as long as CF remains part > > of the > > > >discussion; but then again, Mikey D may think otherwise and > > drop kick this > > > >thread into the CF-COMMUNITY. > > > > > > > >We shall see. > > > > > > > >I feel as though the more you can learn, the better off you > > are. Technology > > > >changes so fast and the more tools you have in your box the > > better. I love > > > >CF and it is the right tool for a lot of jobs, just as .NET > > offers the > > > >right > > > >tools for a lot of jobs. The thing to remember is that you > > realy limit > > > >yourself if you limit your skills. I say try and learn it all, > > some things > > > >faster than others and some things more in depth than others, > > but damn, get > > > >your feet wet at least... It might just save you that cross country > > > >relocation because you can not find a CF job in your area. :-) > > > > > > > >My 2 cents. > > > > > > > >Mike > > > > > > > > > This isn't CF-Talk? Sounds like it has all the world to do > > > > > with CF, and > > > > > people seem to want to talk about it. > > > > > > > > > > While we're at it, what is the difference between CF-Talk and > > > > > CF-Community? Sounds pretty redundant, which is good in the > > > > > techie world, > > > > > but not in the human world > > > > > > > > > > Just looking for clarification! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: RE: asp.net...yuk
Wow. Simmer down dude. Are we going to debate the validity of each and every reply? > -Original Message- > From: Kwang Suh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 6:35 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: RE: asp.net...yuk > > There's a mention in Dan's original message about CF? News to me: > > "It's not an issue of not liking learning new things. The > issue is whether or > not the new thing you are learning is likeable. And in this > case likeable, > fun, efficient, suitable, ease of use etc...which in my > opinion asp.net > fails on most counts for most small to medium web projects... > which lucky > for me, is where I'm at." > > Where's CF mentioned here? > > - Original Message - > From: Ray Champagne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Monday, March 29, 2004 4:27 pm > Subject: RE: asp.net...yuk > > > That is the best answer I have gotten yet. > > > > Is the delete button really that hard to operate? I could see the > > complaint if we were discussing Wil Ferrell's new movie, but this > > is a > > slightly OT convo about CF vs. MS. > > > > I agree with Dan > > > > Ray > > > > At 06:24 PM 3/29/2004, Dan Farmer wrote: > > >It's called some people are anal retentive. Probably MS folks. > > > > > > > > >__ > > >Daniel Farmer > > >Producer / Coldfusion Developer > > >http://www.bernardclark.com/danfarmer.ca > > >P: 613.284.1684 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Michael T. Tangorre" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >Subject: RE: asp.net...yuk > > > >Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 18:16:12 -0500 > > > > > > > >CF-COMMUNITY is rarely techie from what I have seen. Lots of > > conversations> >about politics, news, jokes, etc... > > > >I love when people complain about a topic being too "non cf- > > talk" and they > > > >feel the need to respond, only adding to the total number of > > threads and > > > >replies on the very topic they were initially complaining > > about! Haha. :-) > > > > > > > >CF v. .NET seems legit to me on here as long as CF remains part > > of the > > > >discussion; but then again, Mikey D may think otherwise and > > drop kick this > > > >thread into the CF-COMMUNITY. > > > > > > > >We shall see. > > > > > > > >I feel as though the more you can learn, the better off you > > are. Technology > > > >changes so fast and the more tools you have in your box the > > better. I love > > > >CF and it is the right tool for a lot of jobs, just as .NET > > offers the > > > >right > > > >tools for a lot of jobs. The thing to remember is that you > > realy limit > > > >yourself if you limit your skills. I say try and learn it all, > > some things > > > >faster than others and some things more in depth than others, > > but damn, get > > > >your feet wet at least... It might just save you that > cross country > > > >relocation because you can not find a CF job in your area. :-) > > > > > > > >My 2 cents. > > > > > > > >Mike > > > > > > > > > This isn't CF-Talk? Sounds like it has all the world to do > > > > > with CF, and > > > > > people seem to want to talk about it. > > > > > > > > > > While we're at it, what is the difference between CF-Talk and > > > > > CF-Community? Sounds pretty redundant, which is good in the > > > > > techie world, > > > > > but not in the human world > > > > > > > > > > Just looking for clarification! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: RE: asp.net...yuk
There's a mention in Dan's original message about CF? News to me: "It's not an issue of not liking learning new things. The issue is whether or not the new thing you are learning is likeable. And in this case likeable, fun, efficient, suitable, ease of use etc...which in my opinion asp.net fails on most counts for most small to medium web projects... which lucky for me, is where I'm at." Where's CF mentioned here? - Original Message - From: Ray Champagne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Monday, March 29, 2004 4:27 pm Subject: RE: asp.net...yuk > That is the best answer I have gotten yet. > > Is the delete button really that hard to operate? I could see the > complaint if we were discussing Wil Ferrell's new movie, but this > is a > slightly OT convo about CF vs. MS. > > I agree with Dan > > Ray > > At 06:24 PM 3/29/2004, Dan Farmer wrote: > >It's called some people are anal retentive. Probably MS folks. > > > > > >__ > >Daniel Farmer > >Producer / Coldfusion Developer > >http://www.bernardclark.com/danfarmer.ca > >P: 613.284.1684 > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Michael T. Tangorre" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Subject: RE: asp.net...yuk > > >Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 18:16:12 -0500 > > > > > >CF-COMMUNITY is rarely techie from what I have seen. Lots of > conversations> >about politics, news, jokes, etc... > > >I love when people complain about a topic being too "non cf- > talk" and they > > >feel the need to respond, only adding to the total number of > threads and > > >replies on the very topic they were initially complaining > about! Haha. :-) > > > > > >CF v. .NET seems legit to me on here as long as CF remains part > of the > > >discussion; but then again, Mikey D may think otherwise and > drop kick this > > >thread into the CF-COMMUNITY. > > > > > >We shall see. > > > > > >I feel as though the more you can learn, the better off you > are. Technology > > >changes so fast and the more tools you have in your box the > better. I love > > >CF and it is the right tool for a lot of jobs, just as .NET > offers the > > >right > > >tools for a lot of jobs. The thing to remember is that you > realy limit > > >yourself if you limit your skills. I say try and learn it all, > some things > > >faster than others and some things more in depth than others, > but damn, get > > >your feet wet at least... It might just save you that cross country > > >relocation because you can not find a CF job in your area. :-) > > > > > >My 2 cents. > > > > > >Mike > > > > > > > This isn't CF-Talk? Sounds like it has all the world to do > > > > with CF, and > > > > people seem to want to talk about it. > > > > > > > > While we're at it, what is the difference between CF-Talk and > > > > CF-Community? Sounds pretty redundant, which is good in the > > > > techie world, > > > > but not in the human world > > > > > > > > Just looking for clarification! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: RE: asp.net...yuk
Hey Kwang, you've had a pickle up your butt for about three months now... why not settle down and just enjoy the list instead? __ Daniel Farmer Producer / Coldfusion Developer http://www.bernardclark.com/danfarmer.ca P: 613.284.1684 >From: Kwang Suh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: RE: asp.net...yuk >Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 16:25:44 -0700 > >If someone wants to have a reasonable conversation about ASP.NET vs. CF, >fine. If someone wants to bash ASP.NET and provide no reasons why it's >"yukky", well, where's the value in that? How many "CF is better >technology here>" threads do we need? > >- Original Message - >From: "Michael T. Tangorre" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Date: Monday, March 29, 2004 4:16 pm >Subject: RE: asp.net...yuk > > > CF-COMMUNITY is rarely techie from what I have seen. Lots of > > conversationsabout politics, news, jokes, etc... > > I love when people complain about a topic being too "non cf-talk" > > and they > > feel the need to respond, only adding to the total number of > > threads and > > replies on the very topic they were initially complaining about! > > Haha. :-) > > > > CF v. .NET seems legit to me on here as long as CF remains part of the > > discussion; but then again, Mikey D may think otherwise and drop > > kick this > > thread into the CF-COMMUNITY. > > > > We shall see. > > > > I feel as though the more you can learn, the better off you are. > > Technologychanges so fast and the more tools you have in your box > > the better. I love > > CF and it is the right tool for a lot of jobs, just as .NET offers > > the right > > tools for a lot of jobs. The thing to remember is that you realy limit > > yourself if you limit your skills. I say try and learn it all, > > some things > > faster than others and some things more in depth than others, but > > damn, get > > your feet wet at least... It might just save you that cross country > > relocation because you can not find a CF job in your area. :-) > > > > My 2 cents. > > > > Mike > > > > > This isn't CF-Talk? Sounds like it has all the world to do > > > with CF, and > > > people seem to want to talk about it. > > > > > > While we're at it, what is the difference between CF-Talk and > > > CF-Community? Sounds pretty redundant, which is good in the > > > techie world, > > > but not in the human world > > > > > > Just looking for clarification! > > > > > > > > [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Flex is out
After reading Ben's preso and paper I am beginning to understand where Flex fits vis-a-avis CFMX --- but it would be a lot clearer if the flex jsp taglibs were available to CFMX. I am beginning to think that we are trying to slice web application pie into too many slices (communication. help apps, demos, PIAs (Poor Internet/Interface Apps), yadda, yadda, yadda! Do we really need separate servers for all these different slices of the same pie? Just thinkin' aloud! Dick On Mar 29, 2004, at 2:48 PM, Matt Robertson wrote: > Christine Lawson wrote: > >The pricing of Flex is a reflection of its value in its target > market. > > Which clearly isn't a lot of the development community. > > I'm reminded of what happened to the database world when Microsoft > released Access for US$99, and crushed a strong competitive field > permanently as a result. This seemed like another such long-term, > take-control opportunity. Looks like a different course is planned, > and its one that seems loaded with examples of failure. > > Thanks for listening anyway, Christine. Enough about this. I hope > you guys succeed with Flex. > > -- > --- > Matt Robertson,[EMAIL PROTECTED] > MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbase.com > --- > > -- > [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: RE: asp.net...yuk
If someone wants to have a reasonable conversation about ASP.NET vs. CF, fine. If someone wants to bash ASP.NET and provide no reasons why it's "yukky", well, where's the value in that? How many "CF is better " threads do we need? - Original Message - From: "Michael T. Tangorre" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Monday, March 29, 2004 4:16 pm Subject: RE: asp.net...yuk > CF-COMMUNITY is rarely techie from what I have seen. Lots of > conversationsabout politics, news, jokes, etc... > I love when people complain about a topic being too "non cf-talk" > and they > feel the need to respond, only adding to the total number of > threads and > replies on the very topic they were initially complaining about! > Haha. :-) > > CF v. .NET seems legit to me on here as long as CF remains part of the > discussion; but then again, Mikey D may think otherwise and drop > kick this > thread into the CF-COMMUNITY. > > We shall see. > > I feel as though the more you can learn, the better off you are. > Technologychanges so fast and the more tools you have in your box > the better. I love > CF and it is the right tool for a lot of jobs, just as .NET offers > the right > tools for a lot of jobs. The thing to remember is that you realy limit > yourself if you limit your skills. I say try and learn it all, > some things > faster than others and some things more in depth than others, but > damn, get > your feet wet at least... It might just save you that cross country > relocation because you can not find a CF job in your area. :-) > > My 2 cents. > > Mike > > > This isn't CF-Talk? Sounds like it has all the world to do > > with CF, and > > people seem to want to talk about it. > > > > While we're at it, what is the difference between CF-Talk and > > CF-Community? Sounds pretty redundant, which is good in the > > techie world, > > but not in the human world > > > > Just looking for clarification! > > > [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
SOT: Flex Pricing>>>
Uh...never mind, you'll only need $36-48k for an initial Flex application: http://www.macromedia.com/software/flex/productinfo/faq/#item-28 Q: How many CPUs will I need for my project? D: Each project is somewhat unique but, in general, an initial Flex application requires at least six to eight CPUs. [con't] When Macromedia says Enterprise, they aren't kidding. -fin _ From: Tyler Silcox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 5:52 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flex is out In other words: Flex was not developed: -To give the power of Flash to the people out in the trenches using such products as DevNet/Studio MX everyday. Even though it could make their lives easier and their products more powerful. But it was developed: -Only for big (read "rich") businesses that are ready to lay down 10s of thousands of dollars on a couple of apps, therefore ensuring semi-high revenue/ROI from the new product. Later on you might give some alms to the poor. I know that's not exactly what you are saying, but it is what I am hearing-> Tyler "I'm not mad at ya, just pissed..." _ From: Christine Lawson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 4:17 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flex is out Hi, I just thought I'd jump in here. The pricing of Flex is a reflection of its value in its target market. Flex is designed to meet the needs of organizations who want to put the power of rich Internet applications to work for strategic business systems. We definitely have our ears open on this list for any feedback you have regarding pricing, functionality, etc., but I'd also suggest you post to the wish form: http://www.macromedia.com/support/email/wishform/ Christine Lawson Macromedia Technical Support -Original Message- From: Phillip Beazley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 2:15 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flex is out At 02:09 PM 3/29/2004, you wrote: >Why does it cost so much? Crack abuse? -- Phillip Beazley Onvix -- Website Hosting, Development & E-commerce Visit http://www.onvix.com/ or call 727-578-9600. _ _ _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: asp.net...yuk
That is the best answer I have gotten yet. Is the delete button really that hard to operate? I could see the complaint if we were discussing Wil Ferrell's new movie, but this is a slightly OT convo about CF vs. MS. I agree with Dan Ray At 06:24 PM 3/29/2004, Dan Farmer wrote: >It's called some people are anal retentive. Probably MS folks. > > >__ >Daniel Farmer >Producer / Coldfusion Developer >http://www.bernardclark.com/danfarmer.ca >P: 613.284.1684 > > > > > > >From: "Michael T. Tangorre" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: RE: asp.net...yuk > >Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 18:16:12 -0500 > > > >CF-COMMUNITY is rarely techie from what I have seen. Lots of conversations > >about politics, news, jokes, etc... > >I love when people complain about a topic being too "non cf-talk" and they > >feel the need to respond, only adding to the total number of threads and > >replies on the very topic they were initially complaining about! Haha. :-) > > > >CF v. .NET seems legit to me on here as long as CF remains part of the > >discussion; but then again, Mikey D may think otherwise and drop kick this > >thread into the CF-COMMUNITY. > > > >We shall see. > > > >I feel as though the more you can learn, the better off you are. Technology > >changes so fast and the more tools you have in your box the better. I love > >CF and it is the right tool for a lot of jobs, just as .NET offers the > >right > >tools for a lot of jobs. The thing to remember is that you realy limit > >yourself if you limit your skills. I say try and learn it all, some things > >faster than others and some things more in depth than others, but damn, get > >your feet wet at least... It might just save you that cross country > >relocation because you can not find a CF job in your area. :-) > > > >My 2 cents. > > > >Mike > > > > > This isn't CF-Talk? Sounds like it has all the world to do > > > with CF, and > > > people seem to want to talk about it. > > > > > > While we're at it, what is the difference between CF-Talk and > > > CF-Community? Sounds pretty redundant, which is good in the > > > techie world, > > > but not in the human world > > > > > > Just looking for clarification! > > > > > > > > [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: asp.net...yuk
Not following ya Dan... > It's called some people are anal retentive. Probably MS folks. > > __ > Daniel Farmer > Producer / Coldfusion Developer > http://www.bernardclark.com/danfarmer.ca > P: 613.284.1684 [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: asp.net...yuk
It's called some people are anal retentive. Probably MS folks. __ Daniel Farmer Producer / Coldfusion Developer http://www.bernardclark.com/danfarmer.ca P: 613.284.1684 >From: "Michael T. Tangorre" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: asp.net...yuk >Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 18:16:12 -0500 > >CF-COMMUNITY is rarely techie from what I have seen. Lots of conversations >about politics, news, jokes, etc... >I love when people complain about a topic being too "non cf-talk" and they >feel the need to respond, only adding to the total number of threads and >replies on the very topic they were initially complaining about! Haha. :-) > >CF v. .NET seems legit to me on here as long as CF remains part of the >discussion; but then again, Mikey D may think otherwise and drop kick this >thread into the CF-COMMUNITY. > >We shall see. > >I feel as though the more you can learn, the better off you are. Technology >changes so fast and the more tools you have in your box the better. I love >CF and it is the right tool for a lot of jobs, just as .NET offers the >right >tools for a lot of jobs. The thing to remember is that you realy limit >yourself if you limit your skills. I say try and learn it all, some things >faster than others and some things more in depth than others, but damn, get >your feet wet at least... It might just save you that cross country >relocation because you can not find a CF job in your area. :-) > >My 2 cents. > >Mike > > > This isn't CF-Talk? Sounds like it has all the world to do > > with CF, and > > people seem to want to talk about it. > > > > While we're at it, what is the difference between CF-Talk and > > CF-Community? Sounds pretty redundant, which is good in the > > techie world, > > but not in the human world > > > > Just looking for clarification! > > > [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
CFUN-04 interviews 5 - Security with Matt Liotta, Competition winner, Flex
In the fifth part of our CFUN-04 interview series, Michael Smith interviews Matt Liotta about his security talk at CFUN-04. The interview is below. But first some news. The winner of the CFUN competition is Adam Dray. Over 200 people entered and 19 had all correct answers. You can read his winning quote and see the correct answers at http://www.cfconf.com/cfun-04/winner.cfm If you didn't win a free ticket to CFUN you still have 2 days left for the CFUN-04 early bird price deadline of 3/31/04. Also Macromedia today announced the immediate availability of Flex, a new presentation server and application framework for creating dynamic Rich Internet Flash applications. For more info see: http://www.macromedia.com/go/flex Now back to the interview... With computer security in the news, Michael Smith decided to talk with Matt Liotta about his CFUN-04 presentation on "Security". Michael Smith: Why is security important for programmers? Isn't this a network administrator subject? Matt Liotta: Well if there are any administrators in the attendance I am sure they will benefit from this presentation. However, this presentation is really meant for programmers. How we write code makes a big difference in the overall security of an application. Unfortunately, many programmers miss the potential security problems in their applications simply because they don't know any better. Or worse, they go to extraordinary lengths in the name of security only to miss subtle exploits that invalidate all their work. MS: That sounds like a lot of work! ML: Great security takes a lot of work, but good security can be achieved with a little insight... [You read the rest of the interview at http://www.cfconf.org/CFUN-04/news.cfm or on Fusion Authority] CFUN-04 is Saturday 6/26/04 - Sunday 6/27/04 in the Washington DC area. It costs $199 until 3/31/04 then $269. For more information on CFUN see http://www.cfconf.org/cfun- 04/. -- Michael Smith, TeraTech Inc - Tools for Programmers(tm) TeraTech voted Best Consulting Service by CFDJ readers! CF/ASP Web, VB, Math, Access programming tools and consulting 405 E Gude Dr Ste 207, Rockville MD 20850 USA Please check out http://www.teratech.com/ - email mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED], or call us for more information; in the USA at 1-800-447-9120, +1-301-424-3903 International, Fax 301-762-8185 Thanks! [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: asp.net...yuk
Perfectly stated :-) > CF-Talk is a list for the CF community to talk about CF. > CF-Community is a > list for the CF community to talk about whatever the hell it > wants (more or > less). > > Cheers, > barneyb [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: asp.net...yuk
CF-COMMUNITY is rarely techie from what I have seen. Lots of conversations about politics, news, jokes, etc... I love when people complain about a topic being too "non cf-talk" and they feel the need to respond, only adding to the total number of threads and replies on the very topic they were initially complaining about! Haha. :-) CF v. .NET seems legit to me on here as long as CF remains part of the discussion; but then again, Mikey D may think otherwise and drop kick this thread into the CF-COMMUNITY. We shall see. I feel as though the more you can learn, the better off you are. Technology changes so fast and the more tools you have in your box the better. I love CF and it is the right tool for a lot of jobs, just as .NET offers the right tools for a lot of jobs. The thing to remember is that you realy limit yourself if you limit your skills. I say try and learn it all, some things faster than others and some things more in depth than others, but damn, get your feet wet at least... It might just save you that cross country relocation because you can not find a CF job in your area. :-) My 2 cents. Mike > This isn't CF-Talk? Sounds like it has all the world to do > with CF, and > people seem to want to talk about it. > > While we're at it, what is the difference between CF-Talk and > CF-Community? Sounds pretty redundant, which is good in the > techie world, > but not in the human world > > Just looking for clarification! [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: asp.net...yuk
CF-Talk is a list for the CF community to talk about CF. CF-Community is a list for the CF community to talk about whatever the hell it wants (more or less). Cheers, barneyb > -Original Message- > From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 3:04 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: asp.net...yuk > > This isn't CF-Talk? Sounds like it has all the world to do > with CF, and > people seem to want to talk about it. > > While we're at it, what is the difference between CF-Talk and > CF-Community? Sounds pretty redundant, which is good in the > techie world, > but not in the human world > > Just looking for clarification! > > Ray > > At 05:55 PM 3/29/2004, Kwang Suh wrote: > >Can this conversation be moved to cf-community? PLEASE? > > > >- Original Message - > >From: Dan Farmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Date: Monday, March 29, 2004 3:43 pm > >Subject: asp.net...yuk > > > > > It's not an issue of not liking learning new things. The issue is > > > whether or > > > not the new thing you are learning is likeable. And in this case > > > likeable, > > > fun, efficient, suitable, ease of use etc...which in my opinion > > > asp.net > > > fails on most counts for most small to medium web projects... > > > which lucky > > > for me, is where I'm at. > > > > > > __ > > > Daniel Farmer > > > Producer / Coldfusion Developer > > > http://www.bernardclark.com/danfarmer.ca > > > P: 613.284.1684 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: asp.net...yuk
Cf-talk = specific technical inquiries (or major event discussions around CF, can't help this) CF-Community = Philosophical discussions and anything else Stace :D _ From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 6:04 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: asp.net...yuk This isn't CF-Talk? Sounds like it has all the world to do with CF, and people seem to want to talk about it. While we're at it, what is the difference between CF-Talk and CF-Community? Sounds pretty redundant, which is good in the techie world, but not in the human world Just looking for clarification! Ray At 05:55 PM 3/29/2004, Kwang Suh wrote: >Can this conversation be moved to cf-community? PLEASE? > >- Original Message - >From: Dan Farmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Date: Monday, March 29, 2004 3:43 pm >Subject: asp.net...yuk > > > It's not an issue of not liking learning new things. The issue is > > whether or > > not the new thing you are learning is likeable. And in this case > > likeable, > > fun, efficient, suitable, ease of use etc...which in my opinion > > asp.net > > fails on most counts for most small to medium web projects... > > which lucky > > for me, is where I'm at. > > > > __ > > Daniel Farmer > > Producer / Coldfusion Developer > > http://www.bernardclark.com/danfarmer.ca > > P: 613.284.1684 > > > > > > > > > > _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Need 4 related selects code...
Aye, this was it: http://www.pengoworks.com/index.cfm?action=""> _ From: Qasim Rasheed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 3:25 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Need 4 related selects code... I guess your best bet is to modify the 3 selected to handle 4 selected. Qasim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 2:25 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Need 4 related selects code... Anyone have decent 4 related selects code I can swipe? I downloaded the one tage from the gallery which purports to support 2-n related selects, but for the life of me I couldn't get it to work. I can get 3 working just fine using cf_threeRelatedSelects (great tag), but I need 4. Any help would be hugely appreciated. -Kev _ _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Need 4 related selects code...
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the package you are looking for is called, um, Qform? I'd have to look since I haven't used in awhile, but it solved a boatload of problems for me in that area. _ From: Qasim Rasheed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 3:25 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Need 4 related selects code... I guess your best bet is to modify the 3 selected to handle 4 selected. Qasim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 2:25 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Need 4 related selects code... Anyone have decent 4 related selects code I can swipe? I downloaded the one tage from the gallery which purports to support 2-n related selects, but for the life of me I couldn't get it to work. I can get 3 working just fine using cf_threeRelatedSelects (great tag), but I need 4. Any help would be hugely appreciated. -Kev _ _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: asp.net...yuk
This isn't CF-Talk? Sounds like it has all the world to do with CF, and people seem to want to talk about it. While we're at it, what is the difference between CF-Talk and CF-Community? Sounds pretty redundant, which is good in the techie world, but not in the human world Just looking for clarification! Ray At 05:55 PM 3/29/2004, Kwang Suh wrote: >Can this conversation be moved to cf-community? PLEASE? > >- Original Message - >From: Dan Farmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Date: Monday, March 29, 2004 3:43 pm >Subject: asp.net...yuk > > > It's not an issue of not liking learning new things. The issue is > > whether or > > not the new thing you are learning is likeable. And in this case > > likeable, > > fun, efficient, suitable, ease of use etc...which in my opinion > > asp.net > > fails on most counts for most small to medium web projects... > > which lucky > > for me, is where I'm at. > > > > __ > > Daniel Farmer > > Producer / Coldfusion Developer > > http://www.bernardclark.com/danfarmer.ca > > P: 613.284.1684 > > > > > > > > > > [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: asp.net...yuk
Can this conversation be moved to cf-community? PLEASE? - Original Message - From: Dan Farmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Monday, March 29, 2004 3:43 pm Subject: asp.net...yuk > It's not an issue of not liking learning new things. The issue is > whether or > not the new thing you are learning is likeable. And in this case > likeable, > fun, efficient, suitable, ease of use etc...which in my opinion > asp.net > fails on most counts for most small to medium web projects... > which lucky > for me, is where I'm at. > > __ > Daniel Farmer > Producer / Coldfusion Developer > http://www.bernardclark.com/danfarmer.ca > P: 613.284.1684 > > > > [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Installation woes
It was the graphics drivers... the installer needs atleast 256 color to run... shame. - Original Message - From: Doug White To: CF-Talk Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 8:57 AM Subject: Re: Installation woes - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 6:25 AM Subject: Re: Installation woes > hola CF-Talkers > > Im having trouble getting CFMX 6.1 installed on a machine. > when i run the exe, the "installanywhere" deal runs like its > extracting the files... when it gets to 100%. it closes and then > nothing else happens > > its a pentium4 512 mb ram win2k pro all windows updates > > anybody else seen this? I had this issue installing the Beta on a win2k pro machine even with a 256 color graphics card. In my case the issue turned out to be related to a previous JRun installation. Not sure if that applies to your situation, but what I had to do was uninstall JRun, then edit my registry to get rid of any and all references to JRun (apparently the uninstall of JRun didn't do this completely ...), reboot, and then the CFMX install went fine. Again, not sure if that will help you in your situation but since the behavior I saw was the same I thought I'd at least mention it. Matt Additionally, when the installer gets to 100%, there is some scripting going on in the background that is not readily apparent. Sometimes this can appear to be a locked up computer for as long as ten minutes or so. Sometimes it is a lock-up. Once it does complete, usually a re-boot is needed, although the specific instructions usually do not appear to tell you to do the reboot. Upon rebooting, you must run CFMX administrator immediately, which will complete the install by running quite a few more scripts. This is one of the very unfortunate things about a great product, and that is that Macromedia just can't seem to get it together with their installer packages. It is the same with their other products as well, and especially with updaters. == Stop spam on your domain, Anti-spam solutions http://www.clickdoug.com/mailfilter.cfm For hosting solutions http://www.clickdoug.com == If you woke up breathing, congratulations! You have been given another chance! [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Flex is out
In other words: Flex was not developed: -To give the power of Flash to the people out in the trenches using such products as DevNet/Studio MX everyday. Even though it could make their lives easier and their products more powerful. But it was developed: -Only for big (read "rich") businesses that are ready to lay down 10s of thousands of dollars on a couple of apps, therefore ensuring semi-high revenue/ROI from the new product. Later on you might give some alms to the poor. I know that's not exactly what you are saying, but it is what I am hearing-> Tyler "I'm not mad at ya, just pissed..." _ From: Christine Lawson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 4:17 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flex is out Hi, I just thought I'd jump in here. The pricing of Flex is a reflection of its value in its target market. Flex is designed to meet the needs of organizations who want to put the power of rich Internet applications to work for strategic business systems. We definitely have our ears open on this list for any feedback you have regarding pricing, functionality, etc., but I'd also suggest you post to the wish form: http://www.macromedia.com/support/email/wishform/ Christine Lawson Macromedia Technical Support -Original Message- From: Phillip Beazley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 2:15 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flex is out At 02:09 PM 3/29/2004, you wrote: >Why does it cost so much? Crack abuse? -- Phillip Beazley Onvix -- Website Hosting, Development & E-commerce Visit http://www.onvix.com/ or call 727-578-9600. _ _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Flex is out
Christine Lawson wrote: >The pricing of Flex is a reflection of its value in its target market. Which clearly isn't a lot of the development community. I'm reminded of what happened to the database world when Microsoft released Access for US$99, and crushed a strong competitive field permanently as a result. This seemed like another such long-term, take-control opportunity. Looks like a different course is planned, and its one that seems loaded with examples of failure. Thanks for listening anyway, Christine. Enough about this. I hope you guys succeed with Flex. -- --- Matt Robertson, [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbase.com --- -- [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
asp.net...yuk
It's not an issue of not liking learning new things. The issue is whether or not the new thing you are learning is likeable. And in this case likeable, fun, efficient, suitable, ease of use etc...which in my opinion asp.net fails on most counts for most small to medium web projects... which lucky for me, is where I'm at. __ Daniel Farmer Producer / Coldfusion Developer http://www.bernardclark.com/danfarmer.ca P: 613.284.1684 [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Flex is out
>>To date I believe the only major players that have gone up against MS and survived -- over any sort of long term -- are Intuit and MM. ... and Oracle. -- ___ See some cool custom tags here: http://www.contentbox.com/claude/customtags/tagstore.cfm Please send any spam to this address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Flex is out
>>Their sales dept accidentally typed an extra zero back a few months ago, and no one caught it until last week If it is like other bugs in their soft, they'll never admit it was a mistake ;-) -- ___ See some cool custom tags here: http://www.contentbox.com/claude/customtags/tagstore.cfm Please send any spam to this address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Long startup times CFMX and random long running template
> >So, this could possibly be attributed to a lack of memory slowing down the >startup process? > I'm not sure it's a lack of memory. Admittedly, I'm not very well versed in the inner workings of JRun, but my statements are based on almost 2 years of *empirical* evidence (and, sometimes, headaches). My guess is that it's the JVM acquiring its initial heap space (specified in jvm.config) that causes some of the slowdown. So, if anything, the reverse of your statement might be appropriate -- the *more* memory you allocate, the longer the pause is. That being said, there are other processes going on (compilations, etc.) as well as memory allocation from what I've observed, so I doubt it's a pure memory issue. Regards, Dave. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Replacement for CFUpdate
Before I start making a replacement, does anyone already have a CFInsert/CFUpdate replacement custom tag. I love the using those 2 tags, but I want to extend them a bit. I'd like to be able to return the last id inserted on the cfinsert side. Marlon [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Flex is out
Matt Robertson wrote: > > Me, I wouldn't push my luck, and would grab market- and mindshare and > run with it, lengthening the lead I already have... but of course I'm > just a simple geek prone to idle speculation. I love speculation :-) Have you looked at the Blackstone speculation blurbs? Flash this, Flash that. Next to the Flash we already have of course. Have you seen that Flex can run on top of CF MX Enterprise? My speculation would be that Flex currently is and will continue to be targeted at enterprise customers. However, we will gradually see Flex features show up in CF. Not enough to eat away the enterprise market of Flex itself, but just enough to give CF an edge over competing languages. That way Macromedia can sell their work twice :-) Jochem -- I don't get it immigrants don't work and steal our jobs - Loesje [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Flex is out
Because development communities don't drive product sales? =P - Calvin - Original Message - From: Rob To: CF-Talk Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 2:09 PM Subject: RE: Flex is out On Mon, 2004-03-29 at 11:07, Mark Leder wrote: > >> The really sad thing is I have clients that own CF and love it now. I > was hoping to use Flex as the entre into revamping their older > in-office systems so that both web and desktop ran off the same system. > I can forget that idea, at least for now. > > Ditto. As I watched the demo, I was brainstorming about all new products, > apps, etc. using Flex. So my bubble is burst. Why does it cost so much? -- Rob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Need 4 related selects code...
I guess your best bet is to modify the 3 selected to handle 4 selected. Qasim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 2:25 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Need 4 related selects code... Anyone have decent 4 related selects code I can swipe? I downloaded the one tage from the gallery which purports to support 2-n related selects, but for the life of me I couldn't get it to work. I can get 3 working just fine using cf_threeRelatedSelects (great tag), but I need 4. Any help would be hugely appreciated. -Kev _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Flex is out
Hi, To my knowledge, Laszlo doesn't publish their pricing for the full featured version of their software. Christine -Original Message- From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 2:54 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Flex is out What does Lazlo price at? -adam > -Original Message- > From: Matt Robertson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 07:49 PM > To: 'CF-Talk' > Subject: RE: Flex is out > > Barney Boisvert wrote: > >Their sales dept accidentally typed an extra zero > > I could sell $1,200. $12,000 is enough to get me laughed out the door. > > They are charging that much because someone made the decision that the > loss of volume and alienation of their grass roots will be made up for > by cash income. > > Just like Allaire did with Spectra. > > I would argue that this is a short term view. MM isn't stupid, contrary > to what a lot of us are thinking right now. To date I believe the only > major players that have gone up against MS and survived -- over any sort > of long term -- are Intuit and MM. They *must* have decided they can > hold off on a generally available product for X months while MS catches > up to them. > > Me, I wouldn't push my luck, and would grab market- and mindshare and > run with it, lengthening the lead I already have... but of course I'm > just a simple geek prone to idle speculation. > > > Matt Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] > MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbase.com > _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Flex is out
Hi, I just thought I'd jump in here. The pricing of Flex is a reflection of its value in its target market. Flex is designed to meet the needs of organizations who want to put the power of rich Internet applications to work for strategic business systems. We definitely have our ears open on this list for any feedback you have regarding pricing, functionality, etc., but I'd also suggest you post to the wish form: http://www.macromedia.com/support/email/wishform/ Christine Lawson Macromedia Technical Support -Original Message- From: Phillip Beazley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 2:15 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flex is out At 02:09 PM 3/29/2004, you wrote: >Why does it cost so much? Crack abuse? -- Phillip Beazley Onvix -- Website Hosting, Development & E-commerce Visit http://www.onvix.com/ or call 727-578-9600. _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
OT: COunt Characters with Javascript on a CFMX page
Hi,
I am having a problem on a page where I have a text area that user can only
type in 8000. I provide a count of each character used as they type so they
know were they are up to. The problem is that all of a sudden the code is
counting a as 3 characters and a new line as 6 characters. The
original code worked correctly under CF4.5 but seems like it is not under MX.
Here is the _javascript_ that I use:
function update() {
var old = document.f.counter.value;
document.f.counter.value=document.f.box.value.length;
if(document.f.counter.value > limit && old <= limit) {
alert('Too much data in the text box!');
if(document.styleSheets) {
document.f.counter.style.fontWeight = 'bold';
document.f.counter.style.color = '#ff'; } }
else if(document.f.counter.value <= limit && old > limit
&& document.styleSheets ) {
document.f.counter.style.fontWeight = 'normal';
document.f.counter.style.color = '#00'; }
}
Has anyone had this problem before.
Thanks
Mario
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Re: Flex is out
Adam wrote >What does Lazlo price at? $1999 for a single-processor system. Free for approved non-commercial deployments. Something I would never have looked twice at until today. -- --- Matt Robertson, [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbase.com --- -- [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RDS Timed out
RDS server is timing out within HS+ & CF-Studio 5 when I try to connect my development box (CF-Studio 5 is on this box). I've restarted the CFMX server, but I still don't have RDS within HS+ & CF-Studio 5. I can see my RDS drives just fine, but when I try to connect to the data sources, it times out. I thought to maybe do a repair install, but that option does not seem to be available with MX. I've also added a new RDS server within HS+ just in case, but that does not good. System Information: XP Pro, CFMX 6,1,0,63958, Developer Edition Any suggestions? Thank you, Stan Winchester [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: why I love coldfusion...and not .net
hey I love cf too, but I think this is cfcommunity material? one vote here... tw -Original Message- From: Morgan Senkal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 2:57 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: why I love coldfusion...and not .net VB6 was where I came from...I loved the language and the IDE. However when I first encountered CF, i realized I could do everything I wanted to do as far as web development faster, easier and have a lot more fun with CF than I ever could with VB. I have not had a chance to take a close look at asp.net, but all I can say is if you can actually debug it now it's a big improvement. I would jump on the asp.net wagon if I had the time or the training budget allowed to me :-) But CF will always be first in my book for quick and dirty RAD web projects. When I start having to do some major integration with some of the other systems, I will be looking at asp...but only where it's needed. >I agree that learning something new is fun and I am sort of enjoying .NET. >My chief complaint would be that M$ makes you go around the block when >all you need to do is just go down to the end of the street in regards >to coding. I also realize that as a pure CF developer I am not nearly >as marketable as I was a few years ago (I am ONLY referring to the DFW area). >If I move to DC or VA, I can get a job no problem. However, being >forced to learn something new sort of takes the joy out of it. My >driving force at this moment is the fact that I have to pay the bills >and support a family and the fact that I am more marketable in the area >should the need to find a new place of employment ever arise. > > > >Bruce > > > > _ > >From: Gaulin, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 1:48 PM >To: CF-Talk >Subject: RE: why I love coldfusion...and not .net > > > >I always thought learning something new was fun... but I guess if you >want to make it a drag, that's your business. > > >(I have no opinion of asp.net at this point since I haven't had the >opportunity to play with it... yet.) > > > Mark > >-Original Message- >From: Dan Farmer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 2:11 PM >To: CF-Talk >Subject: RE: why I love coldfusion...and not .net > >Ughhh. the day I have to learn asp.net and stop using coldfusion is the >day web development would cease to be enjoyable and thus I would be >looking for a new job. > > _ > > _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Long startup times CFMX and random long running template
So, this could possibly be attributed to a lack of memory slowing down the startup process? Brook At 12:47 PM 3/29/2004, you wrote: > >I have this very strange problem that popped up a few days ago. When I > >restart the CFMX server, and then hit my application, the first execution > >is really slow, between 30-50 seconds. I've tracked down the templates that > >run long and then removed them by adding a at the top of each for > >debugging. When I do this they go down to 0ms and some other seamingly > >random template's execution time goes up to 25 seconds or so. > > > >This is a huge mystery to me at this point. My website is made up of 2 > >applications (as defined by a cfapplication tag) and the other application > >starts up fine and CFMX is serving other pages fine while processing the > >startup of the other application. The processor goes to 100%. > > > >What could possibly be going on here? Not much happens when this app > >starts. Yes, there is some data written to the application scope, but FAR > >less than on the which starts up in an expected timeframe. > > > >Any pointers are greatly appreciated. As it sits, if I need to cycle CFMX > >during the day and their is a load it can cause serious problems right now. > >The problem is exacerbated under load. > > > >The issue, in my experience, is that there is an inherent startup delay when >accessing MX resources the first time after restarting. While your >particular application may or may not be doing something process intensive >up front, MX is an application that runs inside of a JRun instance. As such, >there are initial compilation and caching processes going on between JRun >and CFMX. Even after you are able to pull up CF pages in your browser, you >may notice a big of "sluggishness" for the first few minutes while the >background processes are acquiring the appropriate memory resources. > >In short, it's just something you deal with. > >Regards, >Dave. > >-- >[ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: why I love coldfusion...and not .net
VB6 was where I came from...I loved the language and the IDE. However when I first encountered CF, i realized I could do everything I wanted to do as far as web development faster, easier and have a lot more fun with CF than I ever could with VB. I have not had a chance to take a close look at asp.net, but all I can say is if you can actually debug it now it's a big improvement. I would jump on the asp.net wagon if I had the time or the training budget allowed to me :-) But CF will always be first in my book for quick and dirty RAD web projects. When I start having to do some major integration with some of the other systems, I will be looking at asp...but only where it's needed. >I agree that learning something new is fun and I am sort of enjoying .NET. >My chief complaint would be that M$ makes you go around the block when all >you need to do is just go down to the end of the street in regards to >coding. I also realize that as a pure CF developer I am not nearly as >marketable as I was a few years ago (I am ONLY referring to the DFW area). >If I move to DC or VA, I can get a job no problem. However, being forced to >learn something new sort of takes the joy out of it. My driving force at >this moment is the fact that I have to pay the bills and support a family >and the fact that I am more marketable in the area should the need to find a >new place of employment ever arise. > > > >Bruce > > > > _ > >From: Gaulin, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 1:48 PM >To: CF-Talk >Subject: RE: why I love coldfusion...and not .net > > > >I always thought learning something new was fun... but I guess if you want >to make it a drag, that's your business. > > >(I have no opinion of asp.net at this point since I haven't had the >opportunity to play with it... yet.) > > > Mark > >-Original Message- >From: Dan Farmer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 2:11 PM >To: CF-Talk >Subject: RE: why I love coldfusion...and not .net > >Ughhh. the day I have to learn asp.net and stop using coldfusion is the day >web development would cease to be enjoyable and thus I would be looking for >a new job. > > _ > > _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Long startup times CFMX and random long running template
>I have this very strange problem that popped up a few days ago. When I >restart the CFMX server, and then hit my application, the first execution >is really slow, between 30-50 seconds. I've tracked down the templates that >run long and then removed them by adding a at the top of each for >debugging. When I do this they go down to 0ms and some other seamingly >random template's execution time goes up to 25 seconds or so. > >This is a huge mystery to me at this point. My website is made up of 2 >applications (as defined by a cfapplication tag) and the other application >starts up fine and CFMX is serving other pages fine while processing the >startup of the other application. The processor goes to 100%. > >What could possibly be going on here? Not much happens when this app >starts. Yes, there is some data written to the application scope, but FAR >less than on the which starts up in an expected timeframe. > >Any pointers are greatly appreciated. As it sits, if I need to cycle CFMX >during the day and their is a load it can cause serious problems right now. >The problem is exacerbated under load. > The issue, in my experience, is that there is an inherent startup delay when accessing MX resources the first time after restarting. While your particular application may or may not be doing something process intensive up front, MX is an application that runs inside of a JRun instance. As such, there are initial compilation and caching processes going on between JRun and CFMX. Even after you are able to pull up CF pages in your browser, you may notice a big of "sluggishness" for the first few minutes while the background processes are acquiring the appropriate memory resources. In short, it's just something you deal with. Regards, Dave. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
conferences
Has anyone ever attended the JavaOne conference? I was curious if it's worth attending. Regards, Dave Bosky HTC Disclaimer: The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. Thank you. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Migrating CF 4.5 to MX 6.1
We moved from 4.5 to 6.0 (and then to 6.1 after it was released) a while back and the code analyzer worked fine for us. I don't recall having any issues with the code that it didn't alert us to. Had more problems with 6.0->6.1 than 4.5->6.0, particularly regarding the CFMAILPARAM tag, because we had to rewrite all of our multi-part message scripts. Cheers, barneyb > -Original Message- > From: Barbara Langston [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 11:37 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Migrating CF 4.5 to MX 6.1 > > We will soon migrate from CF 4.5 to CFMX 6.1. The release > notes talk about using the Code Analyzer for CF 5. Has > anyone used it for 4.5 and if so, does it work the same, or > are there issues with it. > > [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Migrating CF 4.5 to MX 6.1
>We will soon migrate from CF 4.5 to CFMX 6.1. The release notes talk about >using the Code Analyzer for CF 5. Has anyone used it for 4.5 and if so, >does it work the same, or are there issues with it. > It works the same. We used it without issue. Regards, Dave. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Migrating CF 4.5 to MX 6.1
We will soon migrate from CF 4.5 to CFMX 6.1. The release notes talk about using the Code Analyzer for CF 5. Has anyone used it for 4.5 and if so, does it work the same, or are there issues with it. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: why I love ColdFusion...and not .net
I agree that learning something new is fun and I am sort of enjoying .NET. My chief complaint would be that M$ makes you go around the block when all you need to do is just go down to the end of the street in regards to coding. I also realize that as a pure CF developer I am not nearly as marketable as I was a few years ago (I am ONLY referring to the DFW area). If I move to DC or VA, I can get a job no problem. However, being forced to learn something new sort of takes the joy out of it. My driving force at this moment is the fact that I have to pay the bills and support a family and the fact that I am more marketable in the area should the need to find a new place of employment ever arise. Bruce _ From: Gaulin, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 1:48 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: why I love coldfusion...and not .net I always thought learning something new was fun... but I guess if you want to make it a drag, that's your business. (I have no opinion of asp.net at this point since I haven't had the opportunity to play with it... yet.) Mark -Original Message- From: Dan Farmer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 2:11 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: why I love coldfusion...and not .net Ughhh. the day I have to learn asp.net and stop using coldfusion is the day web development would cease to be enjoyable and thus I would be looking for a new job. >From: Dave Watts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: why I love coldfusion... >Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 12:18:14 -0500 > > > My large, 100% CF company was bought by a behemoth that's > > decided the only approved "enterprise standard" will be > > WebSphere. I'm in a learn it or lose it position myself. > >Some people in similar positions are able to continue using CFMX, since it >can be considered part of the "enterprise standard" - it can run on >WebSphere. You might try that pitch if you haven't already. > >Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software >http://www.figleaf.com/ >phone: 202-797-5496 >fax: 202-797-5444 > > > _ _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Test If Object is...
Use getMetaData() on the object. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Test If Object is...
All, I have created an object like this from a *.cfc (personbean.cfc): Now I want to test that session.bean is actually a personbean and not something else. How would I do this. I see that there is a CFXM function call IsObject(), but I could be any object and not specifically an personbean object. Thanks for your help, -- Troy Simpson Applications Analyst/Programmer, OCPDBA, MCSE, SCSA North Carolina State University Libraries Campus Box 7111 | Raleigh | North Carolina ph.919.515.3855 | fax.919.513.3330 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Flex is out
What does Lazlo price at? -adam > -Original Message- > From: Matt Robertson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 07:49 PM > To: 'CF-Talk' > Subject: RE: Flex is out > > Barney Boisvert wrote: > >Their sales dept accidentally typed an extra zero > > I could sell $1,200. $12,000 is enough to get me laughed out the door. > > They are charging that much because someone made the decision that the > loss of volume and alienation of their grass roots will be made up for > by cash income. > > Just like Allaire did with Spectra. > > I would argue that this is a short term view. MM isn't stupid, contrary > to what a lot of us are thinking right now. To date I believe the only > major players that have gone up against MS and survived -- over any sort > of long term -- are Intuit and MM. They *must* have decided they can > hold off on a generally available product for X months while MS catches > up to them. > > Me, I wouldn't push my luck, and would grab market- and mindshare and > run with it, lengthening the lead I already have... but of course I'm > just a simple geek prone to idle speculation. > > > Matt Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] > MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbase.com > [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: why I love coldfusion...and not .net
I always thought learning something new was fun... but I guess if you want to make it a drag, that's your business. (I have no opinion of asp.net at this point since I haven't had the opportunity to play with it... yet.) Mark -Original Message- From: Dan Farmer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 2:11 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: why I love coldfusion...and not .net Ughhh. the day I have to learn asp.net and stop using coldfusion is the day web development would cease to be enjoyable and thus I would be looking for a new job. >From: Dave Watts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: why I love coldfusion... >Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 12:18:14 -0500 > > > My large, 100% CF company was bought by a behemoth that's > > decided the only approved "enterprise standard" will be > > WebSphere. I'm in a learn it or lose it position myself. > >Some people in similar positions are able to continue using CFMX, since it >can be considered part of the "enterprise standard" - it can run on >WebSphere. You might try that pitch if you haven't already. > >Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software >http://www.figleaf.com/ >phone: 202-797-5496 >fax: 202-797-5444 > > > _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Flex is out
Barney Boisvert wrote: >Their sales dept accidentally typed an extra zero I could sell $1,200. $12,000 is enough to get me laughed out the door. They are charging that much because someone made the decision that the loss of volume and alienation of their grass roots will be made up for by cash income. Just like Allaire did with Spectra. I would argue that this is a short term view. MM isn't stupid, contrary to what a lot of us are thinking right now. To date I believe the only major players that have gone up against MS and survived -- over any sort of long term -- are Intuit and MM. They *must* have decided they can hold off on a generally available product for X months while MS catches up to them. Me, I wouldn't push my luck, and would grab market- and mindshare and run with it, lengthening the lead I already have... but of course I'm just a simple geek prone to idle speculation. Matt Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbase.com [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Opposite of JSStringFormat()
Use cfusion_encrypt, which will yield a string (just hex digits, I believe) that won't need to be JSStringFormat()ed. Cheers, barneyb > -Original Message- > From: Tangorre, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 11:38 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Opposite of JSStringFormat() > > Here's the deal... > > encVal = Encrypt(someVar,someKey) > safeVal = JSStringFormat(encVal) > > I need to use JSStringFormat to make the encrypted value JS > safe, but when > trying to decrypt it, it obviosuly is thrown off since there > are escape > slashes in the string nw... is there anyway to reverse JSStringFormat? > > Thanks! > > Mike > > > [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Opposite of JSStringFormat()
Here's the deal... encVal = Encrypt(someVar,someKey) safeVal = JSStringFormat(encVal) I need to use JSStringFormat to make the encrypted value JS safe, but when trying to decrypt it, it obviosuly is thrown off since there are escape slashes in the string nw... is there anyway to reverse JSStringFormat? Thanks! Mike [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Flex is out
How about a Flex light (like maybe "Warm up") that has less features? Maybe? -- Rob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Flex is out
On Mon, 2004-03-29 at 11:21, Barney Boisvert wrote: > > Why does it cost so much? > > Their sales dept accidentally typed an extra zero back a few months ago, and > no one caught it until last week, but by then it was way to late to remake > everything with the right price. Hehehe, but I mean really. Flash is a time tested technology, but writing a whole site in flash is not. I guess they have some really big dogs lined up because it seems like bringing up technology through grass roots has been the way macr has become who they are. It would only make logical sense to price this in range of the lamers like us who would proliferate the market ... but what do I know I am a bad business man :( ... -- Rob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Flex is out
Rob wrote: > On Mon, 2004-03-29 at 11:07, Mark Leder wrote: >> >> Ditto. As I watched the demo, I was brainstorming about all new products, >> apps, etc. using Flex. So my bubble is burst. > > Why does it cost so much? Because Macromedia knows enterprises will pay up. There really is no competition in the niche that is targeted. Jochem -- I don't get it immigrants don't work and steal our jobs - Loesje [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Benchmarks of different JVM's
Has anyone done benchmarks using different JVM's with CF 6.1? I'm wondering what measurable performance gains there are with switching in a different JVM than that which ships with CF 6.1 If you've switched in a different one, is there any advice you'd give to one considering such a move? I operate a hobby site which is getting 400,000 page views a day on a dedicated w2k box, and I'd like to see it as performant as possible. Thanks -Dov NOTICE: If received in error, please destroy and notify sender. Sender does not waive confidentiality or privilege, and use is prohibited. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: why I love coldfusion...and not .net
Actually, I am _very_ impressed by .Net and c#. It is certainly not as RAD as CF - but don't knock it especially if your only experience is the older ASP stuff. .Net has some _very_ nice features and does somethings very well. As just a random example - .Net has a built-in caching system that allows for a max size, dependancies, etc. All stuff you can do with CF (and I have w/ my scopeCache custom tags, as have others), but this is a native part of the language. Again - if you have not looked into it - you should. It will never be number one in my book, but it is a strong number two. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Slow query on CF5 why?
Hi Steve, This particular one returns one record but there are others with the same symptom which return around 30 or so rows. Granted they are lengthy queries. It's a shared server so there are several applications accessing the same DB server and CF server. It is consistently slow. -Frank > > _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Need 4 related selects code...
www.happyhacker.com > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 2:25 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Need 4 related selects code... > > Anyone have decent 4 related selects code I can swipe? I > downloaded the one tage from the gallery which purports to > support 2-n related selects, but for the life of me I > couldn't get it to work. I can get > 3 working just fine using cf_threeRelatedSelects (great tag), > but I need 4. > > Any help would be hugely appreciated. > > -Kev > > > [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: CF Curriculum
grab a ben forta book. use that! heehe - Original Message - From: Westin, Ken To: CF-Talk Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 12:10 PM Subject: CF Curriculum Hello all, I work for a university and have been asked by an instructor to come in for two days and provide a ColdFusion boot camp for a web design class. I was wondering if anyone knew of any good resources for curriculum, teaching CF etc. I started putting some things together, but am quickly realizing there is a big difference between "doing" and "teaching". Thanks [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Flex is out
> Why does it cost so much? Their sales dept accidentally typed an extra zero back a few months ago, and no one caught it until last week, but by then it was way to late to remake everything with the right price. > -Original Message- > From: Rob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 11:10 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Flex is out > > On Mon, 2004-03-29 at 11:07, Mark Leder wrote: > > >> The really sad thing is I have clients that own CF and > love it now. I > > was hoping to use Flex as the entre into revamping their older > > in-office systems so that both web and desktop ran off the > same system. > > I can forget that idea, at least for now. > > > > Ditto. As I watched the demo, I was brainstorming about all > new products, > > apps, etc. using Flex. So my bubble is burst. > > > -- > Rob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Need 4 related selects code...
Anyone have decent 4 related selects code I can swipe? I downloaded the one tage from the gallery which purports to support 2-n related selects, but for the life of me I couldn't get it to work. I can get 3 working just fine using cf_threeRelatedSelects (great tag), but I need 4. Any help would be hugely appreciated. -Kev [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Flex is out
At 02:09 PM 3/29/2004, you wrote: >Why does it cost so much? Crack abuse? -- Phillip Beazley Onvix -- Website Hosting, Development & E-commerce Visit http://www.onvix.com/ or call 727-578-9600. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Slow query on CF5 why?
Does it return a huge amount of data? That could tie up the odbc driver. Is your CF server's CPU peaked at 100% for some reason? If you're running on two servers, the DB server could be fine, but the CF server could be overloaded. Does it do it every time or just the first time? Steve Nelson _ From: Frank Mamone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 12:36 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Slow query on CF5 why? WHat are the possible reasons for a query taking 2.3 seconds thru CF(CF5) but a few milliseconds in Query Analyzer? Same DB server. Thanks, Frank _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Flex is out
On Mon, 2004-03-29 at 11:07, Mark Leder wrote: > >> The really sad thing is I have clients that own CF and love it now. I > was hoping to use Flex as the entre into revamping their older > in-office systems so that both web and desktop ran off the same system. > I can forget that idea, at least for now. > > Ditto. As I watched the demo, I was brainstorming about all new products, > apps, etc. using Flex. So my bubble is burst. Why does it cost so much? -- Rob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: why I love coldfusion...and not .net
Ughhh. the day I have to learn asp.net and stop using coldfusion is the day web development would cease to be enjoyable and thus I would be looking for a new job. >From: Dave Watts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: why I love coldfusion... >Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 12:18:14 -0500 > > > My large, 100% CF company was bought by a behemoth that's > > decided the only approved "enterprise standard" will be > > WebSphere. I'm in a learn it or lose it position myself. > >Some people in similar positions are able to continue using CFMX, since it >can be considered part of the "enterprise standard" - it can run on >WebSphere. You might try that pitch if you haven't already. > >Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software >http://www.figleaf.com/ >phone: 202-797-5496 >fax: 202-797-5444 > > > [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Flex is out
>> The really sad thing is I have clients that own CF and love it now. I was hoping to use Flex as the entrée into revamping their older in-office systems so that both web and desktop ran off the same system. I can forget that idea, at least for now. Ditto. As I watched the demo, I was brainstorming about all new products, apps, etc. using Flex. So my bubble is burst. Thanks, Mark _ From: Matt Robertson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 1:37 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flex is out Mark Leder wrote: >However the price as advertised by MM simply is way out of reach >for most smaller shops (like me). Its obviously being targeted at the >enterprise level. Yes, so much for MM leveraging their mass of developers, and I guess we can forget about seeing a market stampede to their technology. They've opted for a niche market, at least for the present. Makes you wonder what MS would do if they were in their place, but not for long. The really sad thing is I have clients that own CF and love it now. I was hoping to use Flex as the entrée into revamping their older in-office systems so that both web and desktop ran off the same system. I can forget that idea, at least for now. Matt Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbase.com _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Monitor if newsletter is opened
All of my CF5 code ran without problems in CFMX 6.1 (didn't buy into 6.0) -- in fact, I still have CF5 installed on one machine and I test some code I write under both 5 and 6.1 to make sure it runs in both environments. The only anoyance in 6.1 vs 5 is that when a CFQUERY fails on a called action page, I get a blank page displayed without any debugging information. There may be a setting to get around this, but I have not bothered to go looking for it. -Original Message- From: cfhelp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 9:35 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Monitor if newsletter is opened That's actually quite brilliant and simple. I would setup a website that is just for this so there are no other visits logged. Use ODBC Logging and then run an SELECT DISTINCT IP against it. But if the recipient is using preview it will be in accurate. Rick -Original Message- From: C. Hatton Humphrey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 6:22 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Monitor if newsletter is opened Send an HTML message and have at least one of the images pull from your webserver, then check your web logs. That's the first thing that comes to my mind ;) Hatton > Anyone have a code sample that will allow us to track what % of our > newsletter is actually opened by the recipiant? > > Any help you can offer would be appreciated. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.642 / Virus Database: 410 - Release Date: 3/24/2004 _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Flex is out
Mark Leder wrote: >However the price as advertised by MM simply is way out of reach >for most smaller shops (like me). Its obviously being targeted at the >enterprise level. Yes, so much for MM leveraging their mass of developers, and I guess we can forget about seeing a market stampede to their technology. They've opted for a niche market, at least for the present. Makes you wonder what MS would do if they were in their place, but not for long. The really sad thing is I have clients that own CF and love it now. I was hoping to use Flex as the entrée into revamping their older in-office systems so that both web and desktop ran off the same system. I can forget that idea, at least for now. Matt Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbase.com [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: OT: Sneaky Virus
FYI, when this email came through it converted the HTML link. The email 'looked' like a text only email that had the url highlighted by the client. Like this: www.maracasmedia.com/inbox/blists/read.php?sessionid-22898 Brook If the message will not displayed automatically, follow the link to read the delivered message. At 10:10 AM 3/29/2004, you wrote: >I just got this sneaky ass virus. The link in the email looked like a URL >and it had my domain in it so I thought I would click on it just to see. We >do not have webmail so I knew it was bull, but did not realize the apparent >URL was actually a link to an attachment! This email did not have an >attachment so maybe it was sent earlier!! > >Start Message: > >If the message will not displayed automatically, >follow the link to read the delivered message. > >Received message is available at: > >Files\Qualcomm\Eudora\Embedded\message3.zlq>www.maracasmedia.com/inbox/blists/read.php?sessionid-22898 > > >-- >Just thought I would pass this on, as I think it is rather sneaky. BTW, >Zone Alarm Pro Mail Quarantine warned me before actually opening the file >when I clicked the link. > >Brook > >-- >[ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
