RE: Looking for very simple CMS

[Micha Schopman]

They probably won't even want to talk to you for a minor deal of $500.
You are talking with sales people, not with donkeys ;)
 
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Re: Best Rich Text Editor

[Matt Robertson]

> a good CMS should NOT allow users to use HTML to fulfill all their
> fantasies.
 See, this is -- to me at least -- where the laboratory gets hit smack in 
the face with reality. Yes of course styles should rule. But try telling a 
user their tabulated data can't be entered into the cms (tables are about 
the only way that'll happen) or that because the Board of Directors wants to 
use Comic Sans in 96-pt Muave for their monthly report's page title that you 
can't accomodate them because only a bad system would allow such a thing... 
Like it or not you have to allow users to muck up their sites if they so 
choose and it has nothing to do with whether the cms is saintly or eee-vil.
 > Finally, the HTML editor should not allow users to upload any image 
anytime.
 Oh my God! If I were to pick one feature that users were explicitly 
delirious over, and which management expressly listed as a job requirement, 
it would be the ability to upload an image or document (pdf, .doc; .xls or 
somesuch) inline directly into the page via the wysiwyg editor. I used to do 
it the way you describe and no, your users won't tolerate it unless you are 
the one writing the paychecks, or you have a plant inside management who is 
of a like mind and damn the torpedoes.
 Not speaking to you personally, Claude, but it amazes me how parochial and 
textbook-oriented so many developers are with respect to what a 'good' CMS 
is. A good CMS does what its users want it to do. If it doesn't its a 
textbook-correct product sitting on a shelf.
 
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Re: Best Rich Text Editor (was: RE: Looking for very simple CMS)

[Roger B.]

> So what is the best Rich Text editor today, for those of who need to build
> our own simple CMS? 

Until TinyMCE gets native Spellerpages support, I'll consider
FCKeditor the go-to WYSIWYG editor.

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Re: DatePart and QoQ ?

[Dina Hess]

Macromedia has provided a QoQ BNF resource, which includes a handful
of  aggregate functions (but that's about it)
at(http://livedocs.macromedia.com/coldfusion/6/Developing_ColdFusion_MX_Applications_with_CFML/using_recordsets5.htm

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Re: MAX 2005 - things to do in Anaheim

[Ron Gowen]

Newport Beach is nice, and only bout a half hour away, The Wedge is at
the end of the beach towards the end of Balboa up against the
jetty...Huge waves, and well worth a visit to watch the body and
boogie board surfers..if the waves are breaking

On 8/10/05, Ken Ferguson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Well, when you're in Anaheim, you're basically in LA, so you just might
> be able to find one or two things going on!
> http://www.losangeles.com/
> http://www.anaheim.org/index.html
> http://www.laparks.org/dos.htm
> http://www.la.com
> 
> Check the schedule at www.nhl.com to see if you'll be able to catch a
> Kings or Ducks game.
> 
> The Icehouse in Pasadena and Comedy Underground in Santa Monica are both
> greatness. There's tons of great live music to be heard in LA too.
> Outdoor venues, indoor, whatever. There are plenty of local bands to see.
> 
> If you're one of the guys bringing family along, head out to Carlsbad
> and check out Legoland.
> 
> Wake up early and drive 1-2 hours to Joshua Tree. If you climb, I don't
> need to say any more than that. If you don't, hit up
> http://www.joshuatreerockclimbing.com/ for their 1-day class and you'll
> have the time of your life.
> 
> Best of all if you've got $1,000 to spare, head to Fullerton and fly in
> a dogfight at www.aircombatusa.com! (Even better if you get a group of
> guys from MAX to head out with you!)
> 
> Lots of strong golf courses in the LA area if you're so inclined.
> 
> You'll have no dificulty finding things to do, that's for sure.
> 
> Also, you're only about 1-2 hours from San Diego, so that opens up
> another million or so possiblities that many would argue are even better
> than LA.
> 
> --Ferg
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> 
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Re: CF7 lots of new "Ambiguous column name" issues

[Dina Hess]

Well, I'd like to see the parsed query to be certain that your problem
is fully addressed but, from what you've provided, I'd say Claude has
honed in on your issue. You need to scope the formobjectitemid and
archive columns with either the version or companynews table. This is
best practice for any SQL statement that references more than one
table.

If you'd like to provide the parsed query, you can do so in one of two
ways: 1) copy the parsed query from your debug info or 2) comment out
the CFQUERY tags and replace them with CFOUTPUT tags.

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Re: Looking for very simple CMS

[Claude Schneegans]

 >>Really, really simple.

Simple ideed, for someone who just want to edit HTML pages, but for CF 
users?

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RE: Measuring URL response times

[Karl]

At 09:16 AM 8/10/05, Fabio wrote:
>You should give a try do GetTickCount() function.


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Re: Looking for very simple CMS

[Dan O'Keefe]

That is pretty cool for basic quick and dirty edits. Have you used
this in production anywhere?

Dan

On 8/10/05, Jim Curran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://www.edit.com
> 
> Really, really simple.
> 
> - j
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: David Adams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 5:08 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Looking for very simple CMS
> 
> I am looking for a VERY simple Content Management System written in CF for a
> small community group that has no money but has CF hosting.
> 
> Can anyone recommend one or donate some code?
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> David Adams
> Ottawa Ontario
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Error Handling for Apps

[Matt Robertson]

If you use a site-wide error handler, that does not mean you have to have 
one error handler for every site. You can customize the error handling as 
much as you please. In the error handling tutorial on my web site I 
demonstrate the use of a switch that differentiates on cgi.server_name IIRC. 
You can vary a lot more finely than that if you wanted to.

For app-wide error handlers I use cferror and type="Exception" and go from 
there. You could also wrap an entire template in try/catch, but that is a 
pain and inefficient (been there, done that).

If your server or network is down you pretty much need an external monitor 
to page you. I wrote SitePeeker (free tag) to do that for me and use a 
cheapo hosting acct at hostmysite to do all of that.

Cheers,

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On 8/10/05, Ali Awan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> I know this is a topic that has been discussed before so I apologize. I
> went through the archives on here and got some ideas, but just wanted to
> validate/invalidate my assumptions before I started down a path.
> 
> 
> 
> Basically what I'm looking for is somewhere to just bounce my ideas off 
> of,
> and get some advice/best practices in setting up Error Handling for Apps.
> 
> 
> 
> I have multiple apps on my server, and I was going to use the Site-Wide
> error template in the ColdFusion Administrator. Am I correct in assuming
> that I will get the exact same error template for every app on my server?
> 
> 
> 
> If so, what is the best way to handle an App-Wide error template? Would
> that be the CFError tag? Also if I use the CFError tag, and I just want to
> handle every possible error imaginable do I just set the Type attribute to
> "Exception"?
> 
> 
> 
> What if my server or network is down? Is there a way to catch that?
> 
> 
> 
> I appreciate any and all input on this.
> 
> cheers,
> 
> Ali
> 
> 
> 
> 

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Re: Error Handling for Apps

[Ali Awan]

Dave,

That's basically what I was looking for.  Meaning that I wondered what the 
"VALIDATION" attribute really did within CFERROR.

Thank you Dave and Barney for your advice, I have enough to go on now to build 
my own site-wide custom error-handling.


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RE: Fetching a website?

[Jim Davis]

> -Original Message-
> From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 7:21 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Fetching a website?
> 
> > We have these conversations a lot. Somebody asks how to do
> > something and somebody (sometimes myself) gets all high-and-
> > mighty that they should be using a better, more appropriate tool.
>
> Q: I want to write a CF application which fetches a site, like HTTrack
> does.
> A: Use wget with CFEXECUTE.
> Q: But I want to do it in CF, just because I can.
> A: Well ok then, but it's going to suck compared to, well, almost anything
> else, because CF isn't good at that.

I think the point was specifically that he wanted to do it in CF because he
_counldn't_.  ;^)

He was purposefully setting himself a challenge to his skills - which I'm
all for.  He'll learn a lot.

But in the end I agree with you much more than I disagree - it may be better
for him to learn something else to do it - if it made sense (and in this
case it doesn't seem to me).

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Re: FTP and file permissions

[Scott Brady]

On 8/9/05, Jim Davis  wrote:
> You're not running the CF task via CFEXECUTE, you're running a DOS Batch
> file which would use the Windows command line FTP program to do the actual
> FTP work.
> 
> You'd be taking CF out of the loop when it comes to FTP.  CF would just be
> launching the process and reaping the spoils but not doing any of the actual
> work.  Just like any good manager.  ;^)

Well, that worked like a champ.  You have no idea how relieved I am to
have a working process again. (We still have to verify overnight that
the process actually works when the scheduler actually runs, but I
don't see why it won't work).

As afar has reaping the spoils without doing any actual work . . .
that's why I'd make a horrible manager. I don't even think of such
things. :)

Thank you very much.

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Re: CFFORM error

[Charlie Griefer]

before digging thru this...is that  after your 
supposed to be there?

On 8/10/05, Russ Michaels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ok here's the code.

(snipped)

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Re: MAX 2005 - things to do in Anaheim - CFCommunity?

[Charlie Griefer]

and "things to do in Anaheim" hardly relates to ColdFusion.

On 8/10/05, Charlie Griefer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> yeah, but this list is supposed to be specific to CF coding issues.
> 
> On 8/10/05, Connie DeCinko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Is full of garbage and this topic relates to Coldfusion.
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Greg Luce [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 3:40 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: Re: MAX 2005 - things to do in Anaheim - CFCommunity?
> >
> > CFCommunity?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 

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RE: Fetching a website?

[Dave Watts]

> We have these conversations a lot. Somebody asks how to do 
> something and somebody (sometimes myself) gets all high-and-
> mighty that they should be using a better, more appropriate tool.
> 
> But the world doesn't work that way.  We have limitations.
> 
> Sometimes we have to do the best we can with what we have and 
> what we know in the time we have.
> 
> I agree it's getting silly. But so is chastising people who want 
> to complete tasks as best they can with what they got.

Your representation is inaccurate. The original conversation went something
like this:

Q: I want to write a CF application which fetches a site, like HTTrack does.
A: Use wget with CFEXECUTE.
Q: But I want to do it in CF, just because I can.
A: Well ok then, but it's going to suck compared to, well, almost anything
else, because CF isn't good at that.

Now, I don't have a problem with that - there's nothing wrong with doing
something for fun, because you can. But it's certainly not the best approach
to solving the problem. There's nothing high or mighty about that. So, I
stand by my proposition that the original poster would probably be better
off spending his time learning another language to do this than to do it
with CF.

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Re: MAX 2005 - things to do in Anaheim - CFCommunity?

[Charlie Griefer]

yeah, but this list is supposed to be specific to CF coding issues.  

On 8/10/05, Connie DeCinko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Is full of garbage and this topic relates to Coldfusion.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Greg Luce [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 3:40 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: MAX 2005 - things to do in Anaheim - CFCommunity?
> 
> CFCommunity?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

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RE: CFFORM error

[Russ Michaels]

Ok here's the code. 





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Sent: 10 August 2005 21:26
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CFFORM error

Russ,

I'm guessing some other tag is missing a closing tag or some other syntax
error.  Can you post your code?

Dave

-Original Message-
From: Russ Michaels [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 4:24 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: CFFORM error


OK this is doing my head in, I am getting  this error.

Context validation error for tag cfform.  
The end tag  encoutered on line 117 at column 3 requires a matching
start tag.  

Which is rubbish.

I have 1 and only 1 CFFORM tag in my page  and it has both a starting and
closing tag.

So why the hell am I getting this error.


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RE: Fetching a website?

[Jim Davis]

> -Original Message-
> From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 6:24 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Fetching a website?
> 
> > > > I still maintain that a well-written CF app can still beat a
> > > > crappily written pure Java app.
> > >
> > > Absolutely. However, part of writing a well-written application is
> > > choosing the appropriate language for the task.
> >
> > With one caveat: choose the most appropriate language that
> > you can use well.
> >
> > This may mean hiring somebody to do it or learning something
> > new before tackling it - but the best tool overall is not the
> > best tool if you don't know how to use properly.
> 
> Well, this is getting a bit silly I think. If I know how to use a hammer,
> but I don't know how to use a wrench, you probably don't want me working
> on
> your plumbing.

Exactly - but here's my point:

We have these conversations a lot.  Somebody asks how to do something and
somebody (sometimes myself) gets all high-and-mighty that they should be
using a better, more appropriate tool.

But the world doesn't work that way.  We have limitations.

Sometimes we have to do the best we can with what we have and what we know
in the time we have.

I agree it's getting silly.  But so is chastising people who want to
complete tasks as best they can with what they got.

This isn't a "hammer and a wrench" situation.  This is a shovel and a
backhoe situation: both can get the job done but one is vastly superior, but
requires much more training and resources.

Which is exactly why the best tool for the job may not be the right tool for
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RE: MAX 2005 - things to do in Anaheim - CFCommunity?

[Connie DeCinko]

Is full of garbage and this topic relates to Coldfusion.
 

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Re: MAX 2005 - things to do in Anaheim - CFCommunity?

[Greg Luce]

CFCommunity?

On 8/10/05, Ken Ferguson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> 
> Well, when you're in Anaheim, you're basically in LA, so you just might
> be able to find one or two things going on!
> http://www.losangeles.com/
> http://www.anaheim.org/index.html
> http://www.laparks.org/dos.htm
> http://www.la.com
> 
> Check the schedule at www.nhl.com  to see if you'll be 
> able to catch a
> Kings or Ducks game.
> 
> The Icehouse in Pasadena and Comedy Underground in Santa Monica are both
> greatness. There's tons of great live music to be heard in LA too.
> Outdoor venues, indoor, whatever. There are plenty of local bands to see.
> 
> If you're one of the guys bringing family along, head out to Carlsbad
> and check out Legoland.
> 
> Wake up early and drive 1-2 hours to Joshua Tree. If you climb, I don't
> need to say any more than that. If you don't, hit up
> http://www.joshuatreerockclimbing.com/ for their 1-day class and you'll
> have the time of your life.
> 
> Best of all if you've got $1,000 to spare, head to Fullerton and fly in
> a dogfight at www.aircombatusa.com ! (Even 
> better if you get a group of
> guys from MAX to head out with you!)
> 
> Lots of strong golf courses in the LA area if you're so inclined.
> 
> You'll have no dificulty finding things to do, that's for sure.
> 
> Also, you're only about 1-2 hours from San Diego, so that opens up
> another million or so possiblities that many would argue are even better
> than LA.
> 
> --Ferg
> 
> 
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RE: Best Rich Text Editor (was: RE: Looking for very simple CMS)

[Jim Curran]

I love Xstandard.

http://www.xstandard.com

- j 

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> -Original Message-
> From: Connie DeCinko [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> So what is the best Rich Text editor today, for those of who need to 
> build our own simple CMS?

I still love TinyMCE.

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RE: Looking for very simple CMS

[Jim Curran]

http://www.edit.com

Really, really simple.

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Subject: Looking for very simple CMS

I am looking for a VERY simple Content Management System written in CF for a
small community group that has no money but has CF hosting.

Can anyone recommend one or donate some code? 

Thanks in advance.
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Re: Looking for very simple CMS

[Sebastian Mork]

Hi,
I just read a couple of msgs in this thread.. so I just want to give my
vote to farcry.
Some weeks ago I needed a free (&easy) cms, too. for plannning and
collecting/sharing some ideas about a project..
farcry was fast and easy to set up and after understanding the basics
how it works (because I didnt use cms before:) easy to use. and
including a basic, free wysiwyg-editor was no prob.,too..
well ..
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David  Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I am looking for a VERY simple Content Management System written in CF for a 
> small community group that has no money but has CF hosting.
> 
> Can anyone recommend one or donate some code? 
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> David Adams
> Ottawa Ontario
> 
> 

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RE: Error Handling for Apps

[Dave Watts]

> Do you know if the catch-all type of "Exception" also handles 
> form submission errors? Or would I need to include a second 
> CFERROR tag in my application to handle those?

It depends on what you mean by a form submission error. If someone enters
the wrong datatype within a form field, and you then submit that to a
database, CFERROR will trap that. It would be a database exception. If you
write your own validation to check data, you have to figure out how to deal
with invalid data. If you use the built-in "server-side" validation that
consists of hidden form fields (ex: "fieldname_required", "fieldname_date",
etc), you can customize the error page that's presented using CFERROR with
the TYPE attribute set to "VALIDATION".

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RE: Fetching a website?

[Dave Watts]

> > > I still maintain that a well-written CF app can still beat a
> > > crappily written pure Java app.
> > 
> > Absolutely. However, part of writing a well-written application is
> > choosing the appropriate language for the task.
> 
> With one caveat: choose the most appropriate language that 
> you can use well.
> 
> This may mean hiring somebody to do it or learning something 
> new before tackling it - but the best tool overall is not the 
> best tool if you don't know how to use properly.

Well, this is getting a bit silly I think. If I know how to use a hammer,
but I don't know how to use a wrench, you probably don't want me working on
your plumbing.

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RE: Looking for very simple CMS

[Dave Watts]

> > Contribute is around $150 per seat. Hosting companies 
> > don't offer it; it doesn't require a server-side component. 
> > It's a WYSIWYG HTML authoring tool. Typically, you use it 
> > with Dreamweaver templates.
> 
> Then it is not really a CMS.

Really? There are plenty of people (myself included) who would disagree.
Within a Contribute site, you can control what authors can do within an HTML
page, and you can control who can edit which pages. The administrator of the
Contribute site uses Contribute itself to administer the site, create user
accounts, specify permissions, and so on. All this can be done within
Dreamweaver as well.

> That makes it a CES, Content Editing System, rather than a 
> Content Management System. For me the management part is the 
> workflow portion.

For you, perhaps. However, it is considered a CMS product by the CMS world
at large, for what that's worth. In addition, you can implement limited
workflow (draft and approval process) within a Contribute site. The
server-side CMS component allows greater flexibility with this, but even
using just Contribute you can specify that an author can't publish something
without an editor's approval.

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Re: Error Handling for Apps

[Ali Awan]

Thanks again Barney.  That makes sense.
Do you know if the catch-all type of "Exception" also handles form submission 
errors?
Or would I need to include a second CFERROR tag in my application to handle 
those?

Thanks for taking the time to answer all my questions by the way.
Cheers,
Ali

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Re: Looking for very simple CMS

[Claude Schneegans]

 >>I think that's what it does--- doesn't it?

 >>I'm not sure, I've never used it, but from the little I've seem it 
does most
 >>everything on the authoring side that I'd expect of a CMS.

Neither did I, but if there is no server component, as someone said, 
where is the structure handled ?
If it allows any one to write down a page and claim "Here is a news 
release", the user manages the content,
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Re: Fusebox, Mach-II, GlueCode... the Oscar goes to...

[Scott Stroz]

Model-glue = more gooder.

Though, I agree with Barney and Joe, the answer really is, 'It depends'.

On what? Well, the type of application, what level of OO experience you 
have, stuff like that.


On 8/10/05, Joe Rinehart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> Shrug...I don't think there is one. It depends on what you need. I
> wrote Model-Glue, but I'm sitting here using Fusebox because it makes
> the most sense for the project I'm working on.
> 
> -Joe
> 
> On 8/10/05, Michel Deloux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Personal point of view: choose the best Framework for CF.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > MD
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> >
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RE: Looking for very simple CMS

[Jim Davis]

> -Original Message-
> From: Claude Schneegans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 5:36 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Looking for very simple CMS
> 
>  >>it does manage access to content and the content itself (or least it
> seems to).
> 
> May be, but a CMS is supposed to be a system that manages content.
> If it just does text editing, then it is a text editor, if it gives
> access to HTML formating,
> then it is also an HTML editor, but it is not a SYSTEM, just a program.
> 
> A true CMS is able to managed a STRUCTURED content, including pages,
> paragraphs,
> titles, images, agenda, news releases, etc. all with or without some
> workflow management.

I think that's what it does--- doesn't it?

I'm not sure, I've never used it, but from the little I've seem it does most
everything on the authoring side that I'd expect of a CMS.

Of course, again, there's no hard and fast definition.  We use StoryServer
at the office... but the only interface to change pages is a simple WYSIWYG
IE editing control.  However the engine itself does manage the content -
caching, timed deploys, workflow, etc.  It's just that actual creation of
the content is cutting edge for 1998.

They call it CMS but it pales next to anything I'd call a CMS.  ;^)

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Re: Looking for very simple CMS

[Claude Schneegans]

 >>it does manage access to content and the content itself (or least it 
seems to).

May be, but a CMS is supposed to be a system that manages content.
If it just does text editing, then it is a text editor, if it gives 
access to HTML formating,
then it is also an HTML editor, but it is not a SYSTEM, just a program.

A true CMS is able to managed a STRUCTURED content, including pages, 
paragraphs,
titles, images, agenda, news releases, etc. all with or without some 
workflow management.

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Re: CF7 lots of new "Ambiguous column name" issues

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On 8/10/05, jonese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It is definatly a sql issue because when i copy out the queries and past
> them into enterprise manager or query analyzer i get the same error.

I got this a few times yesterday actually - but in my case, the
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Re: Error Handling for Apps

[Barney Boisvert]

Correct, compile-time errors aren't handled by CFERROR, which is a
runtime construct.  The assumption being that you'll never have code
with compiler errors in production.  So try  or
something, and you should see the CFERROR-defined message, not the raw
CF one.

cheers,
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> 
> I forgot to mention that this is for a server running CF5.
> I'm testing out CFError by deliberately putting an error in one of my pages 
> by not closing the CFSET tag
> Example:  
> But it's still displaying the Coldfusion generated error in plain view.  It 
> does not seem to be executing the CFError tag.
> I'm not really sure what to specify as the Type attribute if I want to handle 
> all errors.  I tried putting in Type="Exception" but I still see the error, 
> rather than the template.
> 
> Ali
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Re: Error Handling for Apps

[Ali Awan]

Thanks Barney,

I forgot to mention that this is for a server running CF5.
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RE: Looking for very simple CMS

[Jim Davis]

> -Original Message-
> From: Connie DeCinko [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 5:15 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Looking for very simple CMS
> 
> That makes it a CES, Content Editing System, rather than a Content
> Management System.  For me the management part is the workflow portion.

I dunno - it does manage access to content and the content itself (or least
it seems to).

There are no hard and fixed definitions here but I'd call it a client-side
CMS - it's definitely more than just an editor in my opinion.

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RE: Looking for very simple CMS

[Connie DeCinko]

That makes it a CES, Content Editing System, rather than a Content
Management System.  For me the management part is the workflow portion.
 

-Original Message-
From: Claude Schneegans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 2:08 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Looking for very simple CMS

 >>Contribute is around $150 per seat. Hosting companies don't offer it; it
doesn't require a server-side component. It's a WYSIWYG HTML authoring tool.
Typically, you use it with Dreamweaver templates.

Then it is not really a CMS.




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Re: Error Handling for Apps

[Barney Boisvert]

CFERROR or Application.cfc's onError method is what you want.  That'll
let you configure per-app error messages, because you're exactly
right, the site-wide error template is really a server-wide error
template.

If your server/network is down and the server's not getting the
requests or can't respond to them, you're not going to be able to
provide an error message to your visitors.  That'd have to happen at
some higher level.

cheers,
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On 8/10/05, Ali Awan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I know this is a topic that has been discussed before so I apologize.  I
> went through the archives on here and got some ideas, but just wanted to
> validate/invalidate my assumptions before I started down a path.
> 
> 
> 
> Basically what I'm looking for is somewhere to just bounce my ideas off of,
> and get some advice/best practices in setting up Error Handling for Apps.
> 
> 
> 
> I have multiple apps on my server, and I was going to use the Site-Wide
> error template in the ColdFusion Administrator.  Am I correct in assuming
> that I will get the exact same error template for every app on my server?
> 
> 
> 
> If so, what is the best way to handle an App-Wide error template?  Would
> that be the CFError tag?  Also if I use the CFError tag, and I just want to
> handle every possible error imaginable do I just set the Type attribute to
> "Exception"?
> 
> 
> 
> What if my server or network is down?  Is there a way to catch that?
> 
> 
> 
> I appreciate any and all input on this.
> 
> cheers,
> 
> Ali
> 
> 
> 
> 

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Error Handling for Apps

[Ali Awan]

I know this is a topic that has been discussed before so I apologize.  I
went through the archives on here and got some ideas, but just wanted to
validate/invalidate my assumptions before I started down a path.

 

Basically what I'm looking for is somewhere to just bounce my ideas off of,
and get some advice/best practices in setting up Error Handling for Apps.

 

I have multiple apps on my server, and I was going to use the Site-Wide
error template in the ColdFusion Administrator.  Am I correct in assuming
that I will get the exact same error template for every app on my server?

 

If so, what is the best way to handle an App-Wide error template?  Would
that be the CFError tag?  Also if I use the CFError tag, and I just want to
handle every possible error imaginable do I just set the Type attribute to
"Exception"?

 

What if my server or network is down?  Is there a way to catch that?

 

I appreciate any and all input on this.

cheers,

Ali



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Re: Looking for very simple CMS

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 >>Contribute is around $150 per seat. Hosting companies don't offer it; it
doesn't require a server-side component. It's a WYSIWYG HTML authoring tool.
Typically, you use it with Dreamweaver templates.

Then it is not really a CMS.

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Re: Best Rich Text Editor

[Claude Schneegans]

 >>None of them do exactly what we want

What for instance would you like to have?

I've designed my own, because I didn't find any (at that time) which had 
all the characteristics
I thought should belong to an HTML editor in a good CMS.

- a good CMS should NOT allow users to use HTML to fulfill all their 
fantasies.
So, users should not be able to define any color, font size and what 
ever, instead, they
should be able to select a style (or a class) the site designers have 
designed for them.
- a good HTML editor should be callable from several places in a form, 
each instance
having it's own set of tools and styles available to the user. For 
instance when editing
a News Release, I ask the user to fill a summary and the main content. I 
don't want him
to have access to all the tools for the summary, not even to bold, since 
this is handled
by the News Release template any way.
- a good HTML Editor should not be embeded in a textarea, instead, it 
should open a new window
which can be resized any sized to resemble the final page the text is 
intended,
otherwise it is not really WYSIWYG.
- a good HTML editor should not allow pasting from MS Word with no basic 
cleaning.

Finally, the HTML editor should not allow users to upload any image anytime.
The problem with HTML Editors is that they are completely independant 
from the CMS system.
Images should be managed by some tool in the CMS admin module, and 
registered in the database,
including image sizes, some title, description etc.
Then, the CMS provides some tool  to select and display images from the 
database, not the editor.

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Re: Flights to MAX

[Ken Ferguson]

How about flying into Long Beach? I've flown in there before and 
remember it being really easy!
http://www.longbeach.gov/airport/


Connie DeCinko wrote:

>Well that sucks.  Glad I didn't buy those LAX tickets yet.  Just wish
>Southwest would put Orange County on sale.
> 
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Ken Ferguson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 11:53 AM
>To: CF-Talk
>Subject: Re: Flights to MAX
>
>I've also found that getting a rental car at LAX is sometimes more expensive
>too!!! You may want to check into this if you are planning on getting a
>ride. You may end up saving 15 bucks to fly into the hell that is LAX only
>to pay an extra 50 for your rental.
>
>--Ferg
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Re: MAX 2005 - things to do in Anaheim

[Ken Ferguson]

Well, when you're in Anaheim, you're basically in LA, so you just might 
be able to find one or two things going on!
http://www.losangeles.com/
http://www.anaheim.org/index.html
http://www.laparks.org/dos.htm
http://www.la.com

Check the schedule at www.nhl.com to see if you'll be able to catch a 
Kings or Ducks game.

The Icehouse in Pasadena and Comedy Underground in Santa Monica are both 
greatness. There's tons of great live music to be heard in LA too. 
Outdoor venues, indoor, whatever. There are plenty of local bands to see.

If you're one of the guys bringing family along, head out to Carlsbad 
and check out Legoland.

Wake up early and drive 1-2 hours to Joshua Tree. If you climb, I don't 
need to say any more than that. If you don't, hit up 
http://www.joshuatreerockclimbing.com/ for their 1-day class and you'll 
have the time of your life.

Best of all if you've got $1,000 to spare, head to Fullerton and fly in 
a dogfight at www.aircombatusa.com! (Even better if you get a group of 
guys from MAX to head out with you!)

Lots of strong golf courses in the LA area if you're so inclined.

You'll have no dificulty finding things to do, that's for sure.

Also, you're only about 1-2 hours from San Diego, so that opens up 
another million or so possiblities that many would argue are even better 
than LA.

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RE: stupid simple piece of javascript code

[Ian Skinner]

if ((theForm.send_email.value != 
theForm.v_sendemail.value)||(theForm.ecs_email.value != 
theForm.v_ecsName.value))**ERROR**;**ERROR*

You don't put a ";" at the end of the "if" clause.  It end the entire if/else 
block leaving the rest flapping in the wind.

Most likely a typo, but of archive sake added an explanation.
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Re: stupid simple piece of javascript code

[Jerry Johnson]

the semicolon after the )) on the if line.

On 8/10/05, SStewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Can somebody debug this? The Netscape javascript console says there's a 
> syntax error at else
> 
> 
> function checkEmail() {
> if ((theForm.send_email.value != 
> theForm.v_sendemail.value)||(theForm.ecs_email.value != 
> theForm.v_ecsName.value));
> {
> window.alert("The emails don\'t match!");
> return false;
> }
> else
> {
> return true;
> }
> }
> 
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> 
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> -Original Message-
> From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 04:47 pm
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Fetching a website?
> Importance: Low
> 
> > I still maintain that a well-written CF app can still beat a
> > crappily written pure Java app.
> 
> Absolutely. However, part of writing a well-written application is choosing
> the appropriate language for the task.
> 
> Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
> http://www.figleaf.com/
> 
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> instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta,
> Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location.
> Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information!
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Re: stupid simple piece of javascript code

[Barney Boisvert]

semicolon after the if clause.

On 8/10/05, SStewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Can somebody debug this? The Netscape javascript console says there's a 
> syntax error at else
> 
> 
> function checkEmail() {
> if ((theForm.send_email.value != 
> theForm.v_sendemail.value)||(theForm.ecs_email.value != 
> theForm.v_ecsName.value));
> {
> window.alert("The emails don\'t match!");
> return false;
> }
> else
> {
> return true;
> }
> }
> 
> Scott A. Stewart,
> Web Application Developer
> 

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stupid simple piece of javascript code

[SStewart]

Can somebody debug this? The Netscape javascript console says there's a syntax 
error at else


function checkEmail() {
if ((theForm.send_email.value != 
theForm.v_sendemail.value)||(theForm.ecs_email.value != 
theForm.v_ecsName.value));
{
window.alert("The emails don\'t match!");
return false;
} 
else 
{
return true;
}
}

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-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 04:47 pm
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Fetching a website?
Importance: Low

> I still maintain that a well-written CF app can still beat a
> crappily written pure Java app.

Absolutely. However, part of writing a well-written application is choosing
the appropriate language for the task.

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
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RE: Fetching a website?

[Jim Davis]

> -Original Message-
> From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 4:47 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Fetching a website?
> 
> > I still maintain that a well-written CF app can still beat a
> > crappily written pure Java app.
> 
> Absolutely. However, part of writing a well-written application is
> choosing
> the appropriate language for the task.

With one caveat: choose the most appropriate language that you can use well.

This may mean hiring somebody to do it or learning something new before
tackling it - but the best tool overall is not the best tool if you don't
know how to use properly.

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Dreamweaver 8 and CSS

[Connie DeCinko]

Anyone know how this helps in regards to cross-browser support?  I spent
many hours this week finding CSS that made both IE and FF happy.
 
Take CSS-based design to the next level.
The new, unified CSS panel makes complex CSS simple. See a visual
representation of the cascade as it applies to content for quick access and
power. Plus, the new CSS layout visualization provides design-time visual
aids for quick review of page structure, and the styles rendering toolbar
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RE: Fetching a website?

[Dave Watts]

> I still maintain that a well-written CF app can still beat a
> crappily written pure Java app.

Absolutely. However, part of writing a well-written application is choosing
the appropriate language for the task.

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Re: SPAM-LOW: CFFORM error

[Matthew Blatchley]

I stopped using CFFORM about a year ago...know I just write JavaScript 
validations instead

:(

- Original Message - 
From: "Russ Michaels" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" 
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 3:23 PM
Subject: SPAM-LOW: CFFORM error


> OK this is doing my head in, I am getting  this error.
>
> Context validation error for tag cfform.
> The end tag  encoutered on line 117 at column 3 requires a 
> matching
> start tag.
>
> Which is rubbish.
>
> I have 1 and only 1 CFFORM tag in my page  and it has both a starting and
> closing tag.
>
> So why the hell am I getting this error.
>
>
> Russ
>
>
>
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Re: CFFORM error

[Charlie Griefer]

would need to see what's inside of the  tags.  if
it's ridiculously long, maybe paste it at www.nomorepasting.com?

On 8/10/05, Russ Michaels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> OK this is doing my head in, I am getting  this error.
> 
> Context validation error for tag cfform.
> The end tag  encoutered on line 117 at column 3 requires a matching
> start tag.
> 
> Which is rubbish.
> 
> I have 1 and only 1 CFFORM tag in my page  and it has both a starting and
> closing tag.
> 
> So why the hell am I getting this error.
> 
> 
> Russ
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Fetching a website?

[Jochem van Dieten]

housi mueller wrote:
> At the moment I do have only basic knowledge about java. It would be not 
> sufficient to write threaded classes. But I will work on it =:0)

An unthreaded java class will be magnitudes faster than a 
synchronous CF application because it can maintain the 
connection. CF will have to re-establish the connection on each 
request.

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RE: MAX 2005 - things to do in Anaheim

[Connie DeCinko]

Universal Studios is a great trip for one day.  Also, you might check out
the beach.
 

-Original Message-
From: Bosky, Dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 12:33 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: MAX 2005 - things to do in Anaheim

I've never been to the west coast before so I'm staying a few days after the
conference for vacation.

What are some things to do/see while in Anaheim besides Disney stuff?

 

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RE: CFFORM error

[Dave.Phillips]

Russ,

I'm guessing some other tag is missing a closing tag or some other syntax 
error.  Can you post your code?

Dave

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Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 4:24 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: CFFORM error


OK this is doing my head in, I am getting  this error.

Context validation error for tag cfform.  
The end tag  encoutered on line 117 at column 3 requires a matching
start tag.  

Which is rubbish.

I have 1 and only 1 CFFORM tag in my page  and it has both a starting and
closing tag.

So why the hell am I getting this error.


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RE: MAX 2005 - things to do in Anaheim

[Connie DeCinko]

Check out the City Pass which gives you discounts to many things for one
ticket including Disneyland.
 

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Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 12:43 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: MAX 2005 - things to do in Anaheim

Tons and tons of Touristy stuff.

Just going down the main drag, off the top of my head; there's the Wax
museum, Radio and Television museum.  Two dinner shows, one medieval knight
based the other American old west based.

Hit the Anaheim/Orange County Chamber of Commerce and/or tourist board I'm
sure there is plenty of info on how to spend way too much money. 





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RE: Flights to MAX

[Bosky, Dave]

I'm taking Delta from Atlanta, they go to OC fairly cheap $380ish.

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Well that sucks.  Glad I didn't buy those LAX tickets yet.  Just wish
Southwest would put Orange County on sale.
 

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I've also found that getting a rental car at LAX is sometimes more
expensive
too!!! You may want to check into this if you are planning on getting a
ride. You may end up saving 15 bucks to fly into the hell that is LAX
only
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CFFORM error

[Russ Michaels]

OK this is doing my head in, I am getting  this error.

Context validation error for tag cfform.  
The end tag  encoutered on line 117 at column 3 requires a matching
start tag.  

Which is rubbish.

I have 1 and only 1 CFFORM tag in my page  and it has both a starting and
closing tag.

So why the hell am I getting this error.


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RE: Flights to MAX

[Connie DeCinko]

Well that sucks.  Glad I didn't buy those LAX tickets yet.  Just wish
Southwest would put Orange County on sale.
 

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I've also found that getting a rental car at LAX is sometimes more expensive
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RE: web services.... sharing request pool?

[Katz, Dov B \(IT\)]

I would have assumed that, but for some reason there's a web services
section in CFAdmin and that had me curious
 

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> -Original Message-
> From: Katz, Dov B (IT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 3:46 PM
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> Subject: web services sharing request pool?
> 
> if I want to install some web services on my CF MX 6.1 server, do the 
> requests they handle get stuffed into the regular thread pool for CF 
> or is there a separate webservice thread pool? I'm trying to determine

> whether they'd both queue up on the same queue if one type of access 
> gets busier than the other one...

I may be wrong but I don't see how they could be separate - to determine
if the request is a web service CF has to process the request... to do
that it needs to assign a thread...

(Web Service requests are no different in structure than any other HTTP
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RE: web services.... sharing request pool?

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> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 3:46 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: web services sharing request pool?
> 
> if I want to install some web services on my CF MX 6.1 server, do the
> requests they handle get stuffed into the regular thread pool for CF or
> is there a separate webservice thread pool? I'm trying to determine
> whether they'd both queue up on the same queue if one type of access
> gets busier than the other one...

I may be wrong but I don't see how they could be separate - to determine if
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needs to assign a thread...

(Web Service requests are no different in structure than any other HTTP
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RE: Fetching a website?

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> -Original Message-
> From: Russ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> Subject: RE: Fetching a website?
> 
> Why not just write a simple java app that could be perhaps called from cf?
> I've been usually switching to java and writing some simple threaded
> classes
> when I ran into these kinds of projects...

Well... I think the universal answer to that might be "because I don't know
Java".  ;^)

I couldn't do it - I don't know Java (although, dammit, I've really got to
learn).

I still maintain that a well-written CF app can still beat a crappily
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RE: Fetching a website?

[housi mueller]

At the moment I do have only basic knowledge about java. It would be not 
sufficient to write threaded classes. But I will work on it =:0)

Russ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Why not just write a simple java app that could be perhaps called from cf?
I've been usually switching to java and writing some simple threaded classes
when I ran into these kinds of projects... 


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[Katz, Dov B \(IT\)]

if I want to install some web services on my CF MX 6.1 server, do the
requests they handle get stuffed into the regular thread pool for CF or
is there a separate webservice thread pool? I'm trying to determine
whether they'd both queue up on the same queue if one type of access
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RE: MAX 2005 - things to do in Anaheim

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Tons and tons of Touristy stuff.

Just going down the main drag, off the top of my head; there's the Wax museum, 
Radio and Television museum.  Two dinner shows, one medieval knight based the 
other American old west based.

Hit the Anaheim/Orange County Chamber of Commerce and/or tourist board I'm sure 
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RE: Fetching a website?

[housi mueller]

Thank you for the detailed explanation. 
Now I learned something new. Right now I am not concerned
about performence so I will go one with CF.
 
Thank you
 
Helmut

Jim Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> >> I saw wget already. I know why to invent the wheel again, if
> >> it already exists... but I would like to write something like
> >> this on my one...
> >
> >I submit that CF is a spectacularly poor choice for doing this, though.
> >
> Could you also tell me please why CF is a poor choice to do this and which
> Script Language would you recommend??

The problem isn't one of capability, it's one of performance.

The main problem is that "plain" CF is a serialized, procedural language -
you can only do one thing at a time. An app like the one you describe, to
be fast, really needs to have good control over threading and process
management (when a single web page might require several dozen HTTP requests
doing them in serial just kills an apps performance).

Using the ASynch gateway you can launch multiple processes at the same time
helps immensely, but each of these requests is a "full request" in CF - all
of the overhead related to any CF request is there.

A more "atomic" language (like C or Java) can launch threads in a very
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overhead as possible.

In general you're looking at a well written CF application being orders of
magnitude slower than a well written Java or C application. (Although, of
course, a great CF app can still beat a crappy Java or C application.)

As for scripting languages... none of them are perfectly suited this kind of
highly concurrent task. Script languages are optimized for use, not for
performance generally.

But you COULD build it in a lot of languages. JavaScript or VBScript
(leveraging COM objects in a Windows Scripting Host or HTA Container) could
do it.

PERL may be the best choice but you'd really need to add on some of the more
esoteric extensions to get the request performance up. PERL is very good at
parsing text, but it's not the parsing so much as the HTTP traffic that
worries me. So PERL may not be significantly faster than CF on such a job.

In the right container (something that wasn't security limited to a host
site for example) pretty much any scripting language with the ability to do
HTTP and string manipulation could do it. Python and TCL come to mind.
Heck, you COULD do this in Lingo if you wanted. ;^)

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MAX 2005 - things to do in Anaheim

[Bosky, Dave]

I've never been to the west coast before so I'm staying a few days after
the conference for vacation.

What are some things to do/see while in Anaheim besides Disney stuff?

 

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RE: Fetching a website?

[Russ]

Why not just write a simple java app that could be perhaps called from cf?
I've been usually switching to java and writing some simple threaded classes
when I ran into these kinds of projects... 

-Original Message-
From: Jim Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 3:05 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Fetching a website?

> -Original Message-
> From: Meli Helmut [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 2:16 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Fetching a website?
> 
> >> I saw wget already. I know why to invent the wheel again, if
> >> it already exists... but I would like to write something like
> >> this on my one...
> >
> >I submit that CF is a spectacularly poor choice for doing this, though.
> >
> Could you also tell me please why CF is a poor choice to do this and which
> Script Language would you recommend??

The problem isn't one of capability, it's one of performance.

The main problem is that "plain" CF is a serialized, procedural language -
you can only do one thing at a time.  An app like the one you describe, to
be fast, really needs to have good control over threading and process
management (when a single web page might require several dozen HTTP requests
doing them in serial just kills an apps performance).

Using the ASynch gateway you can launch multiple processes at the same time
helps immensely, but each of these requests is a "full request" in CF - all
of the overhead related to any CF request is there.

A more "atomic" language (like C or Java) can launch threads in a very
efficient way that allows you to get your specific job done with as little
overhead as possible.

In general you're looking at a well written CF application being orders of
magnitude slower than a well written Java or C application.  (Although, of
course, a great CF app can still beat a crappy Java or C application.)

As for scripting languages... none of them are perfectly suited this kind of
highly concurrent task.  Script languages are optimized for use, not for
performance generally.

But you COULD build it in a lot of languages.  JavaScript or VBScript
(leveraging COM objects in a Windows Scripting Host or HTA Container) could
do it.
 
PERL may be the best choice but you'd really need to add on some of the more
esoteric extensions to get the request performance up.  PERL is very good at
parsing text, but it's not the parsing so much as the HTTP traffic that
worries me.  So PERL may not be significantly faster than CF on such a job.

In the right container (something that wasn't security limited to a host
site for example) pretty much any scripting language with the ability to do
HTTP and string manipulation could do it.  Python and TCL come to mind.
Heck, you COULD do this in Lingo if you wanted.  ;^)

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RE: Fetching a website?

[Jim Davis]

> -Original Message-
> From: Meli Helmut [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 2:16 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Fetching a website?
> 
> >> I saw wget already. I know why to invent the wheel again, if
> >> it already exists... but I would like to write something like
> >> this on my one...
> >
> >I submit that CF is a spectacularly poor choice for doing this, though.
> >
> Could you also tell me please why CF is a poor choice to do this and which
> Script Language would you recommend??

The problem isn't one of capability, it's one of performance.

The main problem is that "plain" CF is a serialized, procedural language -
you can only do one thing at a time.  An app like the one you describe, to
be fast, really needs to have good control over threading and process
management (when a single web page might require several dozen HTTP requests
doing them in serial just kills an apps performance).

Using the ASynch gateway you can launch multiple processes at the same time
helps immensely, but each of these requests is a "full request" in CF - all
of the overhead related to any CF request is there.

A more "atomic" language (like C or Java) can launch threads in a very
efficient way that allows you to get your specific job done with as little
overhead as possible.

In general you're looking at a well written CF application being orders of
magnitude slower than a well written Java or C application.  (Although, of
course, a great CF app can still beat a crappy Java or C application.)

As for scripting languages... none of them are perfectly suited this kind of
highly concurrent task.  Script languages are optimized for use, not for
performance generally.

But you COULD build it in a lot of languages.  JavaScript or VBScript
(leveraging COM objects in a Windows Scripting Host or HTA Container) could
do it.
 
PERL may be the best choice but you'd really need to add on some of the more
esoteric extensions to get the request performance up.  PERL is very good at
parsing text, but it's not the parsing so much as the HTTP traffic that
worries me.  So PERL may not be significantly faster than CF on such a job.

In the right container (something that wasn't security limited to a host
site for example) pretty much any scripting language with the ability to do
HTTP and string manipulation could do it.  Python and TCL come to mind.
Heck, you COULD do this in Lingo if you wanted.  ;^)

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RE: Flights to MAX

[Connie DeCinko]

I fear the return trip as we will be going back during rush hour traffic.
Coming in on Friday morning.
 

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NO It is not worth it.  At least the one time I did it.  LAX is just
too frigin huge.  And a long way through of some horrible traffic to get
where your going to want to be.  Sunday may not be so bad, but Wednesday or
Thursday could be a bear.

But then again, I'm driving, I'm only 350 miles away.  Assuming my request
is approved with the powers that be.





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RE: Fetching a website?

[Ian Skinner]

http://www.lawyersweeklyusa.com/images/lwlogo.gif";
path="C:\" file="image.gif">

Works like a charm. Lovely for dling PDFs from state and federal court sites.


Cool, I will file that to the back of my head for the future when I may need to 
do this.  Just one of those things I've never needed to do in my 8 year CF 
career.  


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Re: Fetching a website?

[Jerry Johnson]

I should have stated that, rather than asking.

You can just use the cfhttp file and path attributes to save a
binary/include file directly to disk.

http://www.lawyersweeklyusa.com/images/lwlogo.gif";
path="C:\" file="image.gif">

Works like a charm. Lovely for dling PDFs from state and federal court sites.

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> binary/included files directly to disk?
> 
> 
> I don't know.  I have never, ever tried to get a binary file from another 
> system using http.  My gut says it's probably possible; my head has no idea 
> how.  It would be interesting to know, if anybody has time to experiment (or 
> has already done so).

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Re: Flights to MAX

[Ken Ferguson]

I've also found that getting a rental car at LAX is sometimes more 
expensive too!!! You may want to check into this if you are planning on 
getting a ride. You may end up saving 15 bucks to fly into the hell that 
is LAX only to pay an extra 50 for your rental.

--Ferg

Ian Skinner wrote:

>NO It is not worth it.  At least the one time I did it.  LAX is just 
>too frigin huge.  And a long way through of some horrible traffic to get where 
>your going to want to be.  Sunday may not be so bad, but Wednesday or Thursday 
>could be a bear.
>
>But then again, I'm driving, I'm only 350 miles away.  Assuming my request is 
>approved with the powers that be.
>
>
>
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RE: Fetching a website?

[Connie DeCinko]

That's one thing the stand alone apps can do, is allow you to set how many
threads you want to use to pull down the site, rather than one at a time.
For a large site, it can mean minutes vs. hours.
 

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Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 11:16 AM
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Subject: RE: Fetching a website?

As for performance I would highly recommend checking out the Asynch gateway
- using this in CF MX 7 you can launch multiple threads at your target to
collect all those little assets (images, scripts, styles, etc) instead of
waiting for each to come in serial.

That alone would make you app several orders of magnitude faster.

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Re: Fetching a website?

[Meli Helmut]

>I see, you just love a challenge!  Hey, get it to work and submit it for a
>CFDJ article.

When I get it to work I will definitely publish the project...

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RE: Flights to MAX

[Ian Skinner]

NO It is not worth it.  At least the one time I did it.  LAX is just 
too frigin huge.  And a long way through of some horrible traffic to get where 
your going to want to be.  Sunday may not be so bad, but Wednesday or Thursday 
could be a bear.

But then again, I'm driving, I'm only 350 miles away.  Assuming my request is 
approved with the powers that be.



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RE: Fetching a website?

[Connie DeCinko]

That's one thing the stand alone apps can do, is allow you to set how many
threads you want to use to pull down the site, rather than one at a time.
For a large site, it can mean minutes vs. hours.
 

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Subject: RE: Fetching a website?

As for performance I would highly recommend checking out the Asynch gateway
- using this in CF MX 7 you can launch multiple threads at your target to
collect all those little assets (images, scripts, styles, etc) instead of
waiting for each to come in serial.

That alone would make you app several orders of magnitude faster.

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Re: Fetching a website?

[Meli Helmut]

>Dave is right that CF isn't even close to the best tool for the job... but
>for what it's worth this ColdFusion (CF MX 7) is the best ColdFusion ever
>for this job.  ;^)
>
>I think it's a great exercise to try - you'll learn a lot and will end up
>with a nice tool that could solve a lot of problems even if it's not
>suitable for a full-fledged web scraper.
>
>(It's also something that you might consider open-sourcing for the
>community... hint, hint. ;^)  )
>
>As for performance I would highly recommend checking out the Asynch gateway
>- using this in CF MX 7 you can launch multiple threads at your target to
>collect all those little assets (images, scripts, styles, etc) instead of
>waiting for each to come in serial.
>
>That alone would make you app several orders of magnitude faster.
>
>Jim Davis

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RE: Fetching a website?

[Ian Skinner]

Can't you just us the cfhttp file and path attributes to save the 
binary/included files directly to disk?


I don't know.  I have never, ever tried to get a binary file from another 
system using http.  My gut says it's probably possible; my head has no idea 
how.  It would be interesting to know, if anybody has time to experiment (or 
has already done so).


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RE: Best Rich Text Editor

[Kevin Aebig]

That's not a problem. It already is. =]

Cheers,

Kevin

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Sent: August 10, 2005 12:30 PM
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Subject: Re: Best Rich Text Editor

If I could recommend a feature, make is Flash6 Player compatible.

-Adam

On 8/10/05, Kevin Aebig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> www.flashtexteditor.com
> 
> I'm working on a free version in my spare time, but its nowhere near ready
> for beta.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Kevin
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pete Jordan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: August 10, 2005 11:28 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Best Rich Text Editor
> 
> Connie DeCinko wrote:
> 
> > So what is the best Rich Text editor today, for those of who need to
build
> > our own simple CMS?  I keep hearing FCK lately, but until recently never
> > heard of it.  Others I have heard about, seems no one talks about
anymore.
> 
> We're moving from soeditor (having finally given up waiting for the new
> version) to fckeditor, which seems to be as good as any others we've
> evaluated. None of them do exactly what we want but fckeditor is as good
> as any, being open source, allows us to hack it as required.
> 
> Our changes will be sent back to them when they're remotely complete but
> FYI the changes to date are:
> 
> * allow available styles to be extracted from a database table
> 
> * enable the code (especially the image browser) to be easily shared in
> our linux hosting environment
> 
> * rewrite the image browser and its associated XMLHttpRequest connector
> to play nicely with our MySQL/mod_perl/ImageMagick image management system
> 
> * as I write, I'm rewriting the link browser to integrate with our CMS
> 
> The last two items won't likely be of direct interest to anyone but us,
> but will hopefully provide a template for anyone else wanting to do
> similar hacks.
> 
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> 
> 
> 
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Re: Best Rich Text Editor

[Adrocknaphobia]

If I could recommend a feature, make is Flash6 Player compatible.

-Adam

On 8/10/05, Kevin Aebig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> www.flashtexteditor.com
> 
> I'm working on a free version in my spare time, but its nowhere near ready
> for beta.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Kevin
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pete Jordan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: August 10, 2005 11:28 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Best Rich Text Editor
> 
> Connie DeCinko wrote:
> 
> > So what is the best Rich Text editor today, for those of who need to build
> > our own simple CMS?  I keep hearing FCK lately, but until recently never
> > heard of it.  Others I have heard about, seems no one talks about anymore.
> 
> We're moving from soeditor (having finally given up waiting for the new
> version) to fckeditor, which seems to be as good as any others we've
> evaluated. None of them do exactly what we want but fckeditor is as good
> as any, being open source, allows us to hack it as required.
> 
> Our changes will be sent back to them when they're remotely complete but
> FYI the changes to date are:
> 
> * allow available styles to be extracted from a database table
> 
> * enable the code (especially the image browser) to be easily shared in
> our linux hosting environment
> 
> * rewrite the image browser and its associated XMLHttpRequest connector
> to play nicely with our MySQL/mod_perl/ImageMagick image management system
> 
> * as I write, I'm rewriting the link browser to integrate with our CMS
> 
> The last two items won't likely be of direct interest to anyone but us,
> but will hopefully provide a template for anyone else wanting to do
> similar hacks.
> 
> --
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> Horus Web Engineering Ltd
> http://www.webhorus.net/
> 
> 
> 
> 

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Re: Get Java Version

[HOFLee _]

>Is it possible to get the servers JVM Version 

Did you try ..?


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Re: Get Java Version

[Barney Boisvert]

You need to look at the system properties.  Try



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On 8/10/05, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
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> Is it possible to get the servers JVM Version using maybe the service
> factory?  Reason I am asking as I am doing a little side project on a shared
> hosting environment and want to know what version it is using.
> 
> I have dumped the service factory and server scope but it doesnt have the
> Java version anywhere.
> 
> TIA
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Re: Fetching a website?

[Jerry Johnson]

Can't you just us the cfhttp file and path attributes to save the
binary/included files directly to disk?

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> As many have said, it can be done.  But as many have also said, it's not 
> something CF is going to be good at, so I doubt you are going to find 
> anything already done in it.
> 
> But if you want to do this; the major pieces you are going to need are 
>  which will give you a page.  Refind() will allow you to parse the 
> returnd page to look for links of all types.  I'm not sure what one does 
> about fetching binary files such as images, but my first guess would be the 
> base64 functions and cffile.  You'll also be wanting the ability to fire off 
> new requests to get linked pages found with the refind() functions.  MX7 
> enterprise, if you have access to it, would be a big help with its asynchrous 
> gateway functionality.

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Re: Fetching a website?

[Mike Chabot]

I have used WebCopier to do what you are asking for. I think it is a great 
shareware program.
 -Mike Chabot
 On 8/10/05, housi mueller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> 
> I would like to know how to grab a entire website, download and save it to 
> the harddisk. Replace all absolute paths into relative paths so that the 
> site can be viewed offline.
> 
> I would like to write something similar like the program Httrack but in 
> ColdFusion. So if someone knows of tutorials, scripts etc.
> 
> Any help would be appreciated
> 
> Thank you in advance...
> 
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RE: Fetching a website?

[Jim Davis]

> -Original Message-
> From: Meli Helmut [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 2:03 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Fetching a website?
> 
> I just wanted to write an application like this on my one. This will give
> me a good idea how to parse a website etc. There are some Spider written
> in PHP so I thought to write something like this in ColdFusion.

Dave is right that CF isn't even close to the best tool for the job... but
for what it's worth this ColdFusion (CF MX 7) is the best ColdFusion ever
for this job.  ;^)

I think it's a great exercise to try - you'll learn a lot and will end up
with a nice tool that could solve a lot of problems even if it's not
suitable for a full-fledged web scraper.

(It's also something that you might consider open-sourcing for the
community... hint, hint. ;^)  )

As for performance I would highly recommend checking out the Asynch gateway
- using this in CF MX 7 you can launch multiple threads at your target to
collect all those little assets (images, scripts, styles, etc) instead of
waiting for each to come in serial.

That alone would make you app several orders of magnitude faster.

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Re: Fetching a website?

[Meli Helmut]

>> I saw wget already. I know why to invent the wheel again, if 
>> it already exists... but I would like to write something like 
>> this on my one...
>
>I submit that CF is a spectacularly poor choice for doing this, though.
>
Could you also tell me please why CF is a poor choice to do this and which 
Script Language would you recommend??

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RE: Fetching a website?

[Connie DeCinko]

I see, you just love a challenge!  Hey, get it to work and submit it for a
CFDJ article.
 

-Original Message-
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Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 11:03 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Fetching a website?

I just wanted to write an application like this on my one. This will give me
a good idea how to parse a website etc. There are some Spider written in PHP
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RE: Fetching a website?

[Ian Skinner]

As many have said, it can be done.  But as many have also said, it's not 
something CF is going to be good at, so I doubt you are going to find anything 
already done in it.

But if you want to do this; the major pieces you are going to need are  
which will give you a page.  Refind() will allow you to parse the returnd page 
to look for links of all types.  I'm not sure what one does about fetching 
binary files such as images, but my first guess would be the base64 functions 
and cffile.  You'll also be wanting the ability to fire off new requests to get 
linked pages found with the refind() functions.  MX7 enterprise, if you have 
access to it, would be a big help with its asynchrous gateway functionality.

Have Fun.


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Re: Fetching a website?

[Jochem van Dieten]

Meli Helmut wrote:
> 
> I just wanted to write an application like this on my one. This will give me 
> a good idea how to parse a website etc. There are some Spider written in PHP 
> so I thought to write something like this in ColdFusion.

Then maybe it is a good idea to take a look at the source of 
those PHP spiders.

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Re: Cfhttp vs web services

[Tanguy Rademakers]

>Finally, there is stronger data typing in web services than you will 
>find in a form-posting solution. On a form post, your ID field (a 
>numeric) can be sent as "123abc" and you have no control over it. You 
>have to double-check on the server-side. On a web service, that field 
>would be guaranteed to be numeric. Checking is done on the client 
>(consumer) side without having to hit your back-end server.

That's not 100% accurate - at least the part about it being done on the client 
side. You can build up your own SOAP envelope (example here: 
http://jibbering.com/2002/4/httprequest.html - scroll down to "Using XMLHTTP 
with GOOGLE's SOAP API") and put a string in a field marked as "int". What you 
gain by using SOAP (in cf at least) is that the server side checking is done by 
the framework, so you don't have to write any of it. Better yet, if you do 
submit such a malformed SOAP request you get a nice standardized error 
response. 

If you have one parameter then you're not gaining much, but if you have dozens 
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RE: Best Rich Text Editor (was: RE: Looking for very simple CMS)

[Damien McKenna]

> -Original Message-
> From: Connie DeCinko [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> 
> So what is the best Rich Text editor today, for those of who 
> need to build our own simple CMS?

I still love TinyMCE.

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Re: Fetching a website?

[Meli Helmut]

>Actually, HTTrack works very well.  I've used it a couple times.  Any reason
>you don't just use it?
> 
>
>I would like to know how to grab a entire website, download and save it to
>the harddisk. Replace all absolute paths into relative paths so that the
>site can be viewed offline.
>
>I would like to write something similar like the program Httrack but in
>ColdFusion. So if someone knows of tutorials, scripts etc.
>
>Any help would be appreciated 
>
>Thank you in advance...


I just wanted to write an application like this on my one. This will give me a 
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thought to write something like this in ColdFusion.


>Helmut

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RE: Fetching a website?

[Connie DeCinko]

Yeah, I agree.  Seems like the wrong tool for the job.  Sure you can bang in
nails with a screw driver, but should you?
 

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> I saw wget already. I know why to invent the wheel again, if it 
> already exists... but I would like to write something like this on my 
> one...

I submit that CF is a spectacularly poor choice for doing this, though.

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RE: Best Rich Text Editor (was: RE: Looking for very simple CMS)

[Russ Michaels]

FCKeditor.

Russ 

-Original Message-
From: Connie DeCinko [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 10 August 2005 18:01
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Best Rich Text Editor (was: RE: Looking for very simple CMS)

So what is the best Rich Text editor today, for those of who need to build
our own simple CMS?  I keep hearing FCK lately, but until recently never
heard of it.  Others I have heard about, seems no one talks about anymore.
 
 
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RE: Fetching a website?

[Connie DeCinko]

Actually, HTTrack works very well.  I've used it a couple times.  Any reason
you don't just use it?
 

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Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 8:58 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Fetching a website?

I would like to know how to grab a entire website, download and save it to
the harddisk. Replace all absolute paths into relative paths so that the
site can be viewed offline.

I would like to write something similar like the program Httrack but in
ColdFusion. So if someone knows of tutorials, scripts etc.

Any help would be appreciated 

Thank you in advance...
 
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RE: Looking for very simple CMS

[Russ Michaels]

That's pretty much my thoughts on it too.

russ 

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Sent: 10 August 2005 16:12
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Looking for very simple CMS

Dave,
Ok - here's my take

I'm sorry to disagree with you - but the goal of "call for pricing" is not
usually to shield customers from your pricing for their own good. It is to
get someone - some person (some salesperson usually) to talk with you and
make a pitch. I think there is definitely a moral dimension to it in some
cases. I'm NOT making a comment specifically about commonSpot or any other
product - and I do not know your connection with that product, but consider
this scenario.

Customer "A" calls in with a question about the product. He indicates he's
the IT director of a large company and they are looking to replace their
current CMS (let's say red dot) with a new one because they are not happy
with the product - no mention of it's costliness.  The CMS provider being
savvy knows that Red Dot's pricing model is per seat with an installed
enterprise license of 70k. So he or she bids in that neighborhood with per
seat pricing. They maximize the profit margin by targeting the current price
point (even though they may typically sell the product at a much lower cost
- say 40,000).

Customer "B" calls in and they are a small to medium size business with a
portal site that has grown unwieldy.  They are looking to implement CMS for
the first time and they need a product, training, ongoing support etc.  The
sales person senses that budget is an issue so they target a price that is
much lower than for customer "A" even though the actual product offering may
be strikingly similar. Because of the complexity of the product AND the
obscurity in pricing, customer "A" will never know they overpaid.

In my view (and granted I may be the only one) this is not even handed
enough to qualify as "ok" or "right" - sorry. Perhaps my standard is too
high, but I think it's deceptive and wrong.  I don't mind companies who
offer discounts or make deals if they are above board about it, but they
should not obscure the price of for market product just to give themselves
"wiggle room".

The complexity of the product IS a factor in pricing, but there's no reason
not to post a base price sheet for levels and/or modules with the caveat
that some modules and services incur additional cost. Yes, your customers
may get "confused" by your pricing scheme - at which point you could try
simplifying it (there's a thought) or explaining it.  It's not an
intractable problem - just a difficult one.  And the idea of "shielding your
customers from your pricing scheme" because they might get confused is high
handed. It reminds me of that Phil Hartman routine with the caveman - "I'm
just a simple caveman. I don't understand your big words like 'license' and
'module'"

You are right that it is common practice for complex product offerings to
NOT post their prices, but there are certainly very complex product
offerings that DO post their prices (as anyone who has tried to navigate the
complexity of Microsoft licensing can attest).

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For the record, this is not how CommonSpot pricing works. They do have fixed
prices for their products. However, different clients tend to need different
products and different numbers of licenses, so it would be difficult for
Paperthin to post prices on their site and have people make sense of them.
Unfortunately, the fact is that complex products tend to have complex
pricing schemes.

As for moral reprehensibility, that's silly. There is no moral dimension to
pricing. The goal of any seller is to maximize profit, and if flexible
pricing schemes make that happen, that's the logical way to sell.

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RE: Best Rich Text Editor

[Kevin Aebig]

www.flashtexteditor.com 

I'm working on a free version in my spare time, but its nowhere near ready
for beta.

Cheers,

Kevin

-Original Message-
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Sent: August 10, 2005 11:28 AM
To: CF-Talk
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Connie DeCinko wrote:

> So what is the best Rich Text editor today, for those of who need to build
> our own simple CMS?  I keep hearing FCK lately, but until recently never
> heard of it.  Others I have heard about, seems no one talks about anymore.

We're moving from soeditor (having finally given up waiting for the new 
version) to fckeditor, which seems to be as good as any others we've 
evaluated. None of them do exactly what we want but fckeditor is as good 
as any, being open source, allows us to hack it as required.

Our changes will be sent back to them when they're remotely complete but 
FYI the changes to date are:

* allow available styles to be extracted from a database table

* enable the code (especially the image browser) to be easily shared in 
our linux hosting environment

* rewrite the image browser and its associated XMLHttpRequest connector 
to play nicely with our MySQL/mod_perl/ImageMagick image management system

* as I write, I'm rewriting the link browser to integrate with our CMS

The last two items won't likely be of direct interest to anyone but us, 
but will hopefully provide a template for anyone else wanting to do 
similar hacks.

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