Re: iText version in CF9

2010-03-22 Thread Tom Chiverton

On Monday 15 Mar 2010, Craigsell wrote:
 I jsut started working with iText version 5.0.1 from my CF8 8.0.0 instance.
  Soon we will be migrating to CF9.  Does anyone know the itext version that
 ships with CF9 and if there are any differences with the latest version?  I
 know the new version was refactored so that it no longer conflicts with the
 older  one.

We're accessing iText through the JavaLoader (on RIAForge) project so we don't 
have to worry about these things. The only way to know for sure in your case 
would be to run it and see, but if it makes a subtle change in the output you 
wont know with eye balling every output...

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Re: Coldfusion 8 Webservice Help!

2010-03-22 Thread Mike Chabot

ColdFusion comes with a free manual and developer's guide that can be
found online. The developer's guide is very good and contains
examples. What you are trying to do is built into the product, so you
don't need to download anything extra.

http://help.adobe.com/en_US/ColdFusion/9.0/Developing/index.html

Enjoy,
Mike Chabot

On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 3:52 PM, Ken Willis
k...@alliedinformationresource.com wrote:

 I am trying to create a webservice that someone can post to me and then i 
 read it into cf, process and send response.  I am new to this and have been 
 trying to find a solution with specific examples with no luck.  i have 
 installed soxml and msxml6 and have not been able to get it to work.  if i 
 could get my hands on a good example i could probably figure it out (maybe) 
 :)  any help would be appreciated.

 

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Coldfusion SQL Hack

2010-03-22 Thread Anthony Doherty

I have a site page that is only using the query below and the site keeps 
getting hit by SQL hacks.  I have looked through every SQL query and all the 
queries are using cfqueryparam value=#URL.???# cfsqltype=cf_sql_numeric 
so they cant be hacked.

Can someone explain how I can amend this query so its not hackable??

cfquery name=RS1 datasource=DS1
SELECT FEEDBACK.ID, FEEDBACK.FEEDBACK, FEEDBACK.LEFT_BY, County.County, 
County.ID
FROM FEEDBACK INNER JOIN
  County ON (FEEDBACK.COUNTY = County.ID)
/cfquery

Thanks 

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RE: Coldfusion SQL Hack

2010-03-22 Thread Hugo Ahlenius

Anthony Doherty wrote on 2010-03-22:
 I have a site page that is only using the query below and the site keeps
 getting hit by SQL hacks.  I have looked through every SQL query and all
 the queries are using cfqueryparam value=#URL.???#
 cfsqltype=cf_sql_numeric so they cant be hacked.

What makes you think that is susceptible to SQL injection attacks? To me it 
looks safe, maybe you missed to paste something (there were no variables in 
your query).

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Re: Coldfusion SQL Hack

2010-03-22 Thread Joe None

 I have a site page that is only using the query below and the site 
 keeps getting hit by SQL hacks.  I have looked through every SQL query 
 and all the queries are using cfqueryparam value=#URL.???# 
 cfsqltype=cf_sql_numeric so they cant be hacked.
 
 Can someone explain how I can amend this query so its not hackable??
 
 cfquery name=RS1 datasource=DS1
 SELECT FEEDBACK.ID, FEEDBACK.FEEDBACK, FEEDBACK.LEFT_BY, County.
 County, County.ID
 FROM FEEDBACK INNER JOIN
  
 County ON (FEEDBACK.COUNTY = County.ID)
 /cfquery
 
 Thanks 


Where are you using cfqueryparam above? With County.ID? 

What are they doing to hack your site? Can you give an example? 

You can use IsValid before your query as well:

cfif isValid(integer, form.value)
 Your Query Here
/cfif 

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Re: Coldfusion SQL Hack

2010-03-22 Thread Dorioo

I'm making certain assumptions but are you ensuring your feedback is
clean when it's saved? If it's not, that'd explain how they're getting
nastiness into the DB which is the called in that query.

If not, explain a little more of the attack as that query would not be
susceptible to sql injection from the url.

- Gabriel

On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 7:04 AM, Anthony Doherty
a.dohe...@advancesystems.co.uk wrote:

 I have a site page that is only using the query below and the site keeps 
 getting hit by SQL hacks.  I have looked through every SQL query and all the 
 queries are using cfqueryparam value=#URL.???# cfsqltype=cf_sql_numeric 
 so they cant be hacked.

 Can someone explain how I can amend this query so its not hackable??

 cfquery name=RS1 datasource=DS1
 SELECT     FEEDBACK.ID, FEEDBACK.FEEDBACK, FEEDBACK.LEFT_BY, County.County, 
 County.ID
 FROM         FEEDBACK INNER JOIN
                      County ON (FEEDBACK.COUNTY = County.ID)
 /cfquery

 Thanks

 

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Re: Coldfusion SQL Hack

2010-03-22 Thread Anthony Doherty

The Feedback section is entered with an administration section and this is 
locked down with a username and password.

The feedback section is only a text field and the person using the site lets 
say is not clued in!

Throughout the site i have a number of pages that are database driven and the 
customer feedback page is the only one that is being effected as all the other 
queries are using CFQUERYPARAM for variables.  They are amending the FEEDBACK 
field and entering a piece of javascript that redirects the user to a site that 
contains spyware and malware. 

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Re: Coldfusion SQL Hack

2010-03-22 Thread Peter Boughton

That's not SQL injection, it's HTML injection. (Or XSS as the fashionable term 
is).

You need to use HtmlEditFormat (or similar function) to ensure all content 
output to HTML pages gets appropriately escaped.

(If you need to allow certain HTML, escape it all, and then unescape only the 
safe whitelist.) 

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Re: Coldfusion SQL Hack

2010-03-22 Thread Dorioo

The query you provided is only retrieving the offending code but would
likely not be the source. I'd look at other sources.

1. Check if the javascript is saved in the database along with the
feedback. If it is, then start looking at all the places where the
feedback is entered.

2. Are you storing the IP address of who left the feedback with the
embedded javascript? If you are, you can then check if it's coming
from you not clued in user's computer.

- Gabriel

On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 7:46 AM, Anthony Doherty
a.dohe...@advancesystems.co.uk wrote:

 The Feedback section is entered with an administration section and this is 
 locked down with a username and password.

 The feedback section is only a text field and the person using the site lets 
 say is not clued in!

 Throughout the site i have a number of pages that are database driven and the 
 customer feedback page is the only one that is being effected as all the 
 other queries are using CFQUERYPARAM for variables.  They are amending the 
 FEEDBACK field and entering a piece of javascript that redirects the user to 
 a site that contains spyware and malware.

 

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ColdFusion Builder now available, includes Flash Builder

2010-03-22 Thread lists

Last night at midnight EST Adobe made available for purchase the final
version of ColdFusion Builder. Priced at $299 it includes a full license of
Flash Builder Standard.

 

http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/buy/

 

You can even upgrade to CFBuilder and Flash Builder from Flex Builder 3 for
only $299.

 

 

andy





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good forums

2010-03-22 Thread Richard White

hi,

i have used this forum whilst learning coldfusion and the community is 
excellent. I have always had answers to my questions within minutes and has 
really helped.

I am currently very new to extjs and attempting to learn it from scratch. 
Unfortunately there are many questions I have but the forums on 
www.extjs.com/forum/ dont appear to be as helpful. I dont get replies to 
answers very often and when i do the answers are very confusing.

Does anyone know of any good forums for learning extjs

thanks 

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Re: Coldfusion SQL Hack

2010-03-22 Thread Anthony Doherty

How can I check use this function 'HtmlEditFormat' on my FEEDBACK field?

Also before I removed the code there was some javascript being stored in the 
FEEDBACK field as well.

I dont think they are entering the HACK from the administration section but 
could this type of HACK be made from a contact form - The contact form just 
asks for a NAME, EMAIL  COMMENTS field - and the COMMENTS section is just a 
simple text box.

Thanks



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Re: Coldfusion SQL Hack

2010-03-22 Thread Dorioo

1. You'd use HtmlEditFormat on any page that displayed the feedback.
So on the public page if you show it back to the user and on the admin
page. Generally, anywhere you're using #feedback# you'd want to do
#htmlEditFormat(feedback)#

2. Yes, if you have a public form that is a simple text box then that
is very much likely the way they're doing it. They're simply
submitting the javascript code directly along with with the fake
feedback.

It's up to you to sanitize input data. At a minimum, you'd be looking
to remove any javascript from the input as that's what's being
exploited here.

- Gabriel

On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 8:24 AM, Anthony Doherty
a.dohe...@advancesystems.co.uk wrote:

 How can I check use this function 'HtmlEditFormat' on my FEEDBACK field?

 Also before I removed the code there was some javascript being stored in the 
 FEEDBACK field as well.

 I dont think they are entering the HACK from the administration section but 
 could this type of HACK be made from a contact form - The contact form just 
 asks for a NAME, EMAIL  COMMENTS field - and the COMMENTS section is just a 
 simple text box.

 Thanks



 

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Re: Coldfusion SQL Hack

2010-03-22 Thread Mike Chabot

The query you wrote is not hackable via SQL injection. No changes need
to be made to it.

-Mike Chabot

On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 7:04 AM, Anthony Doherty
a.dohe...@advancesystems.co.uk wrote:

 I have a site page that is only using the query below and the site keeps 
 getting hit by SQL hacks.  I have looked through every SQL query and all the 
 queries are using cfqueryparam value=#URL.???# cfsqltype=cf_sql_numeric 
 so they cant be hacked.

 Can someone explain how I can amend this query so its not hackable??

 cfquery name=RS1 datasource=DS1
 SELECT     FEEDBACK.ID, FEEDBACK.FEEDBACK, FEEDBACK.LEFT_BY, County.County, 
 County.ID
 FROM         FEEDBACK INNER JOIN
                      County ON (FEEDBACK.COUNTY = County.ID)
 /cfquery

 Thanks

 

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Re: Data Parse error

2010-03-22 Thread Steven Sprouse

Scott,

The error is: Error Executing Database Query. [Macromedia][SequeLink JDBC 
Driver][ODBC Socket][DataDirect][ODBC SequeLink driver][ODBC 
Socket][DataDirect][ODBC FileMaker driver][FileMaker]Parse Error in SQL brThe 
error occurred on line 473.


I tried simplifying the insert query to just the first item, and I'm still 
getting an error. The first item is just the first name. This leads me to 
believe that it HAS to be something with the actual database somewhere, right? 
The reason I ask is because I know that this database used to exist as a 
Filemaker 4 database, and the person did some work to convert it to a filemaker 
10. I feel like I've quadruple checked the INSERT query and it's syntax is 
correct. 

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RE: ColdFusion SQL Hack

2010-03-22 Thread Paul Alkema

I would ensure that every single update / insert on your site is using
cfqueryparam's for security sake, however It sounds to me like your issue is
not SQL injection.. but more XSS attacks. An XSS attack is where data is
inserted into into a page usually via a database input field somewhere which
then executes a javascript or other piece of code into a site which can
cause users sessions to be hijacked or the user could be simpley redirected,
which is what is sounds like this xsser is doing.

Dorioo is right on about the fix for this, I would either sanitize all data
that a customer has access to input with the htmleditformat() or sanitize
the output with htmleditformat().

IE; 

INSERT INTO users (userId, userName)
VALUES ('#form.username#')

Should be..

INSERT INTO users (userId, userName)
VALUES ('#htmlEditFormat(form.username)#')

Another option would be to enable Global Script Protection in the settings
area of your coldfusion administrator. Doing this will cause you to never
have the ability to pass javascript tags and object tags via CGI, FORM and
URL variables though, so I would be careful about this global option.

Good luck!
Paul Alkema
AlkemaDesigns.com

-Original Message-
From: Mike Chabot [mailto:mcha...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 9:25 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Coldfusion SQL Hack


The query you wrote is not hackable via SQL injection. No changes need
to be made to it.

-Mike Chabot

On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 7:04 AM, Anthony Doherty
a.dohe...@advancesystems.co.uk wrote:

 I have a site page that is only using the query below and the site keeps
getting hit by SQL hacks.  I have looked through every SQL query and all the
queries are using cfqueryparam value=#URL.???#
cfsqltype=cf_sql_numeric so they cant be hacked.

 Can someone explain how I can amend this query so its not hackable??

 cfquery name=RS1 datasource=DS1
 SELECT     FEEDBACK.ID, FEEDBACK.FEEDBACK, FEEDBACK.LEFT_BY,
County.County, County.ID
 FROM         FEEDBACK INNER JOIN
                      County ON (FEEDBACK.COUNTY = County.ID)
 /cfquery

 Thanks

 



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Cfsearch - Spell Checker

2010-03-22 Thread Paul Alkema

Hi All,

The CfSearch tag has a built in spell checker however, the company I work
for is an engineering company so words that people would search for and make
spelling issues are a bit more advanced than the built in spell checker that
adobe has provided by default via the cfSearch tag.

 

Does anyone know if there is a way to edit the list of spell fixes?

 

Best Regards,

Paul



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RE: ColdFusion SQL Hack

2010-03-22 Thread Mark A. Kruger

Script protection can also be enabled on an application basis. If you are
confident that your admin tools are not easily hacked you can have a
public application with scriptprotect disabled and an admin section with
it enabled... this is fairly common when using a CMS. 

cfapplication name=blah scriptprotect=all 

Or in an application.cfc

This.scriptprotect= all;

-Mark


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-Original Message-
From: Paul Alkema [mailto:paulalkemadesi...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 8:56 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: RE: ColdFusion SQL Hack


I would ensure that every single update / insert on your site is using
cfqueryparam's for security sake, however It sounds to me like your issue is
not SQL injection.. but more XSS attacks. An XSS attack is where data is
inserted into into a page usually via a database input field somewhere which
then executes a javascript or other piece of code into a site which can
cause users sessions to be hijacked or the user could be simpley redirected,
which is what is sounds like this xsser is doing.

Dorioo is right on about the fix for this, I would either sanitize all data
that a customer has access to input with the htmleditformat() or sanitize
the output with htmleditformat().

IE; 

INSERT INTO users (userId, userName)
VALUES ('#form.username#')

Should be..

INSERT INTO users (userId, userName)
VALUES ('#htmlEditFormat(form.username)#')

Another option would be to enable Global Script Protection in the settings
area of your coldfusion administrator. Doing this will cause you to never
have the ability to pass javascript tags and object tags via CGI, FORM and
URL variables though, so I would be careful about this global option.

Good luck!
Paul Alkema
AlkemaDesigns.com

-Original Message-
From: Mike Chabot [mailto:mcha...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 9:25 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Coldfusion SQL Hack


The query you wrote is not hackable via SQL injection. No changes need
to be made to it.

-Mike Chabot

On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 7:04 AM, Anthony Doherty
a.dohe...@advancesystems.co.uk wrote:

 I have a site page that is only using the query below and the site keeps
getting hit by SQL hacks.  I have looked through every SQL query and all the
queries are using cfqueryparam value=#URL.???#
cfsqltype=cf_sql_numeric so they cant be hacked.

 Can someone explain how I can amend this query so its not hackable??

 cfquery name=RS1 datasource=DS1
 SELECT     FEEDBACK.ID, FEEDBACK.FEEDBACK, FEEDBACK.LEFT_BY,
County.County, County.ID
 FROM         FEEDBACK INNER JOIN
                      County ON (FEEDBACK.COUNTY = County.ID)
 /cfquery

 Thanks

 





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Re: good forums

2010-03-22 Thread Won Lee

1) http://www.extjs.com/learn/Main_Page.  You should do the tutorials.

2) While not a forum, Cutter's blog is worth reading while drinking one's
morning coffee.  http://blog.cutterscrossing.com/

3) I'm surprised that the ExtJs forums hasn't been more helpful.   I've had
a lot of success on there.


On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 8:11 AM, Richard White rich...@j7is.co.uk wrote:


 hi,

 i have used this forum whilst learning coldfusion and the community is
 excellent. I have always had answers to my questions within minutes and has
 really helped.

 I am currently very new to extjs and attempting to learn it from scratch.
 Unfortunately there are many questions I have but the forums on
 www.extjs.com/forum/ dont appear to be as helpful. I dont get replies to
 answers very often and when i do the answers are very confusing.

 Does anyone know of any good forums for learning extjs

 thanks

 

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Re: CF8 cfselect ajax features - what am I missing?

2010-03-22 Thread Tony Bentley

Looks like you've made progress but the change is happening without any user 
notification. You need the fancy web 2.0 ajax icon. 

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Does not contain dilema

2010-03-22 Thread Orlini, Robert

I have a form with a field call intype which I need to filter and NOT send an 
email if the form does contain a certain list of states, but does not contain 
the value k-12 for intype.

The cfif I have that does not seem to work is:

CFIF United States Contains Country and K-12 does not contain intype and 
IL Contains State or IA Contains State.

I've tried, but it still sends the email which I don't want:

CFIF United States Contains Country and K-12 does not contain intype and 
(State is IL) or (State is IA)

Any easier way to do this please?

Thanks.

RO
HWW


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session variables

2010-03-22 Thread daniel kessler

I have a login page that sets session  (session.user).  I was told that to make 
it a secure login, I needed to go to that page using https instead of http.  I 
did that and had certificate problems so I backed out my changes.  

Since then, anyone that tried to log in when it was using https is now having 
problems with their session variables when logging now that it is using http.

Is this expected?  Is there a session space that is different when using https 
rather than http?  Is it maybe not letting go of old information?

Am I explaining this well?  If not, please ask questions.  

Also, I don't have access to the server (it's a central, shared environment), 
but I can make a request that something specific be done. 

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RE: Does not contain dilema

2010-03-22 Thread DURETTE, STEVEN J (ATTASIAIT)

Not knowing the exact logic, I believe you need to change to this.

cfif United States Contains Country and K-12 does not contain
intype and ((State is IL) or (State is IA))

Better yet:

cfif listFindNoCase(Country, United States), and NOT
listFindNoCase(intype, K-12) and listFindNoCase(IL,IA, State)

Steve


-Original Message-
From: Orlini, Robert [mailto:rorl...@hwwilson.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 11:51 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Does not contain dilema


I have a form with a field call intype which I need to filter and NOT
send an email if the form does contain a certain list of states, but
does not contain the value k-12 for intype.

The cfif I have that does not seem to work is:

CFIF United States Contains Country and K-12 does not contain
intype and IL Contains State or IA Contains State.

I've tried, but it still sends the email which I don't want:

CFIF United States Contains Country and K-12 does not contain
intype and (State is IL) or (State is IA)

Any easier way to do this please?

Thanks.

RO
HWW




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RE: session variables

2010-03-22 Thread Justin Scott

 Since then, anyone that tried to log in when it was using
 https is now having problems with their session variables
 when logging now that it is using http.

Are you using the secure attribute when setting the cookies?  Is the SSL
domain the same as the non-SSL domain (i.e. secure.example.com vs.
www.example.com)?


-Justin



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Re: session variables

2010-03-22 Thread daniel kessler

Are you using the secure attribute when setting the cookies?  

I don't know about a secure attribute.  I'm not setting cookies though, but 
session variables.

 Is the SSL
domain the same as the non-SSL domain (i.e. secure.example.com vs.
www.example.com)?

I'm just adding an s to http.  In other words
http://sph.umd.edu/home/index.cfm
became
https://sph.umd.edu/home/index.cfm

And then I reverted the change back again to 
http://sph.umd.edu/home/index.cfm



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Re: ColdFusion SQL Hack

2010-03-22 Thread Anthony Doherty

I have added the #htmlEditFormat# TAG and will monitor the site over the coming 
weeks and she what happens

Thanks for everyone who helped! 

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Re: session variables

2010-03-22 Thread Ian Skinner

On 3/22/2010 8:55 AM, daniel kessler wrote:

 Are you using the secure attribute when setting the cookies?
  
 I don't know about a secure attribute.  I'm not setting cookies though, but 
 session variables.



CFML relies on two values CFID and CFTOKEN, or a single value JSESSIONID 
if configured that way in the Administrator, to know what client 
requests belong to what session state data.

These values are usually passed as cookies.

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CFC Newbie

2010-03-22 Thread Scott Raley

I'm trying to get out of MX non CFC world. I've now working with CF8 and
want to start converting some of my things to use CFC's. Specifically how I
can use forms to interact with CFC's to add/edit/delete data. I've read a
few tutorials from adobe about them and what I've seen on a few blogs but
none address using cfc's in form to do the data add/editing.. Anyone have
links to tutorials/readme's ? examples?

TIA



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RE: Does not contain dilema

2010-03-22 Thread Paul Alkema

First off, as a general rule I would put the variable first, then the
string. So you have cfif united States contains country. I would try cfif
country contains united states.

Secondly..

You need to var your variables.

If country is a form variable refer to it as form.country... not just
country. This could really mess you up down the road, plus it's just a bad
practice.


Some something like...
cfif 
form.country contains United States 
and form.state contains IL
and not form.inType contains K-12
 /

Also, what I do in instances where I'm using multiple IF arguments and I'm
trying to find which one is causing my IF statement to fail, is I remove the
cif at the beginning and the closing IF bracket.

Then I wrap an cfoutput tag around the IF statement and put pound signs
around each statement. This should output YES or NO if the statement is
passing or not. This is a good way to diagnose which 

For instance this should tell you exactly which IF argument is causing your
IF statement to fail.

cfoutput
#United States Contains Country# and #K-12 does not contain intype# and
#(State is IL) or (State is IA)#
/cfoutput
cfabort /

Regards,
Paul Alkema
http://www.alkemadesigns.com

-Original Message-
From: Orlini, Robert [mailto:rorl...@hwwilson.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 11:51 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Does not contain dilema


I have a form with a field call intype which I need to filter and NOT send
an email if the form does contain a certain list of states, but does not
contain the value k-12 for intype.

The cfif I have that does not seem to work is:

CFIF United States Contains Country and K-12 does not contain intype
and IL Contains State or IA Contains State.

I've tried, but it still sends the email which I don't want:

CFIF United States Contains Country and K-12 does not contain intype
and (State is IL) or (State is IA)

Any easier way to do this please?

Thanks.

RO
HWW




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Re: session variables

2010-03-22 Thread Jason Fisher

 From a session perspective, the session cookie (the browser side of the 
session) for https://www.mysite.com is *not* shared with the session 
cookie for http://www.mysite.com.  If crossing from one to the other, 
therefore, there are 2 options:

1)  User has to log back in after the switch

2)  The switch has to pass along the session code, for example:

cflocation url=https://www.mysite.com/welcomeBack.cfm; addtoken=Yes /

You can add the session token manually (cookie.cftoken and cookie.cfid) 
but the addtoken attribute of cflocation will automate it for you, if 
you're using that tag.

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Re: CFC Newbie

2010-03-22 Thread Dave Watts

 I'm trying to get out of MX non CFC world. I've now working with CF8 and
 want to start converting some of my things to use CFC's. Specifically how I
 can use forms to interact with CFC's to add/edit/delete data. I've read a
 few tutorials from adobe about them and what I've seen on a few blogs but
 none address using cfc's in form to do the data add/editing.. Anyone have
 links to tutorials/readme's ? examples?

There are some examples in the ACFD 8 courseware available here:

http://www.adobe.com/education/instruction/teach/cfcurriculum.html

Basically, in the simplest case, you write functions within CFCs to
accept your field values, and have those functions run the appropriate
SQL. You invoke those functions from your action page, instead of
having the SQL embedded in-place. Note that this is only the simplest
case; many developers use CFCs to represent individual records (beans
or value objects), and use other CFCs to manipulate those beans by
reading from and writing to the database.

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/
http://training.figleaf.com/

Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on
GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized
instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite.

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ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-22 Thread Adrocknaphobia

The subject says it all.

If you haven't looked at ColdFusion Builder since the last public beta, you
should check out the final release. There have been about 4 months of
performance enhancements, bug fixes and tweaks since then. You can download
a 60-day trial of ColdFusion Builder from Adobe.com.

http://bit.ly/TryBolt

-Adam


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RE: session variables

2010-03-22 Thread Justin Scott

 I'm not setting cookies though, but session variables.

That's what I get for responding to the list while on the phone, doh!


-Justin



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RE: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-22 Thread Eric Roberts

299.00?  WTF?  What the heck is Adobe smoking?  Looks like its back to
CFEclipse for me!

Eric

-Original Message-
From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:adrocknapho...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 11:46 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: ColdFusion Builder Released!


The subject says it all.

If you haven't looked at ColdFusion Builder since the last public beta, you
should check out the final release. There have been about 4 months of
performance enhancements, bug fixes and tweaks since then. You can download
a 60-day trial of ColdFusion Builder from Adobe.com.

http://bit.ly/TryBolt

-Adam




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Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-22 Thread Jake Churchill

It's bundled with FlashBuilder 4 which is nice.  That's actually a pretty
decent price.

On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 12:10 PM, Eric Roberts 
ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:


 299.00?  WTF?  What the heck is Adobe smoking?  Looks like its back to
 CFEclipse for me!

 Eric

 -Original Message-
 From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:adrocknapho...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 11:46 AM
 To: cf-talk
 Subject: ColdFusion Builder Released!


 The subject says it all.

 If you haven't looked at ColdFusion Builder since the last public beta, you
 should check out the final release. There have been about 4 months of
 performance enhancements, bug fixes and tweaks since then. You can download
 a 60-day trial of ColdFusion Builder from Adobe.com.

 http://bit.ly/TryBolt

 -Adam




 

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RE: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-22 Thread Eric Roberts

Considering that I don't need flash...no it's not.  If flash is the cost,
then they should offer a version without flash builder.  I think it is an
outrageous price for a plugin.

Eric

-Original Message-
From: Jake Churchill [mailto:reyna...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 12:14 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!


It's bundled with FlashBuilder 4 which is nice.  That's actually a pretty
decent price.

On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 12:10 PM, Eric Roberts 
ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:


 299.00?  WTF?  What the heck is Adobe smoking?  Looks like its back to
 CFEclipse for me!

 Eric

 -Original Message-
 From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:adrocknapho...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 11:46 AM
 To: cf-talk
 Subject: ColdFusion Builder Released!


 The subject says it all.

 If you haven't looked at ColdFusion Builder since the last public beta,
you
 should check out the final release. There have been about 4 months of
 performance enhancements, bug fixes and tweaks since then. You can
download
 a 60-day trial of ColdFusion Builder from Adobe.com.

 http://bit.ly/TryBolt

 -Adam




 



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Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-22 Thread Charlie Griefer

Yeah, assuming you have an interest in FlashBuilder.

There was no way Adobe was going to please everybody (well, not without
outright giving it away... which wouldn't have pleased the shareholders).

For those who are interested in FlashBuilder (and I'm one of 'em), this is a
pretty smokin' deal.  For those who aren't... I can definitely see their
point.

On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Jake Churchill reyna...@gmail.com wrote:


 It's bundled with FlashBuilder 4 which is nice.  That's actually a pretty
 decent price.

 On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 12:10 PM, Eric Roberts 
 ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:

 
  299.00?  WTF?  What the heck is Adobe smoking?  Looks like its back to
  CFEclipse for me!
 
  Eric
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:adrocknapho...@gmail.com]
  Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 11:46 AM
  To: cf-talk
  Subject: ColdFusion Builder Released!
 
 
  The subject says it all.
 
  If you haven't looked at ColdFusion Builder since the last public beta,
 you
  should check out the final release. There have been about 4 months of
  performance enhancements, bug fixes and tweaks since then. You can
 download
  a 60-day trial of ColdFusion Builder from Adobe.com.
 
  http://bit.ly/TryBolt
 
  -Adam
 
 
 
 
 

 

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Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-22 Thread Jake Churchill

There's a $249 version that doesn't have FlashBuilder

On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 12:21 PM, Charlie Griefer charlie.grie...@gmail.com
 wrote:


 Yeah, assuming you have an interest in FlashBuilder.

 There was no way Adobe was going to please everybody (well, not without
 outright giving it away... which wouldn't have pleased the shareholders).

 For those who are interested in FlashBuilder (and I'm one of 'em), this is
 a
 pretty smokin' deal.  For those who aren't... I can definitely see their
 point.

 On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Jake Churchill reyna...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 
  It's bundled with FlashBuilder 4 which is nice.  That's actually a pretty
  decent price.
 
  On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 12:10 PM, Eric Roberts 
  ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:
 
  
   299.00?  WTF?  What the heck is Adobe smoking?  Looks like its back to
   CFEclipse for me!
  
   Eric
  
   -Original Message-
   From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:adrocknapho...@gmail.com]
   Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 11:46 AM
   To: cf-talk
   Subject: ColdFusion Builder Released!
  
  
   The subject says it all.
  
   If you haven't looked at ColdFusion Builder since the last public beta,
  you
   should check out the final release. There have been about 4 months of
   performance enhancements, bug fixes and tweaks since then. You can
  download
   a 60-day trial of ColdFusion Builder from Adobe.com.
  
   http://bit.ly/TryBolt
  
   -Adam
  
  
  
  
  
 
 

 

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Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-22 Thread Jake Churchill

Sorry, I think that's if you want FlashBuilder without ColdFusionBuilder

On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Jake Churchill reyna...@gmail.com wrote:

 There's a $249 version that doesn't have FlashBuilder


 On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 12:21 PM, Charlie Griefer 
 charlie.grie...@gmail.com wrote:


 Yeah, assuming you have an interest in FlashBuilder.

 There was no way Adobe was going to please everybody (well, not without
 outright giving it away... which wouldn't have pleased the shareholders).

 For those who are interested in FlashBuilder (and I'm one of 'em), this is
 a
 pretty smokin' deal.  For those who aren't... I can definitely see their
 point.

 On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Jake Churchill reyna...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 
  It's bundled with FlashBuilder 4 which is nice.  That's actually a
 pretty
  decent price.
 
  On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 12:10 PM, Eric Roberts 
  ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:
 
  
   299.00?  WTF?  What the heck is Adobe smoking?  Looks like its back to
   CFEclipse for me!
  
   Eric
  
   -Original Message-
   From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:adrocknapho...@gmail.com]
   Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 11:46 AM
   To: cf-talk
   Subject: ColdFusion Builder Released!
  
  
   The subject says it all.
  
   If you haven't looked at ColdFusion Builder since the last public
 beta,
  you
   should check out the final release. There have been about 4 months of
   performance enhancements, bug fixes and tweaks since then. You can
  download
   a 60-day trial of ColdFusion Builder from Adobe.com.
  
   http://bit.ly/TryBolt
  
   -Adam
  
  
  
  
  
 
 

 

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RE: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-22 Thread Eric Roberts

That is still crazy for a plugin.  Adobe...please lay off the crack.  There
is no way that CFBuilder is worth that much.

Eric

-Original Message-
From: Jake Churchill [mailto:reyna...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 12:23 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!


There's a $249 version that doesn't have FlashBuilder

On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 12:21 PM, Charlie Griefer charlie.grie...@gmail.com
 wrote:


 Yeah, assuming you have an interest in FlashBuilder.

 There was no way Adobe was going to please everybody (well, not without
 outright giving it away... which wouldn't have pleased the shareholders).

 For those who are interested in FlashBuilder (and I'm one of 'em), this is
 a
 pretty smokin' deal.  For those who aren't... I can definitely see their
 point.

 On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Jake Churchill reyna...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 
  It's bundled with FlashBuilder 4 which is nice.  That's actually a
pretty
  decent price.
 
  On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 12:10 PM, Eric Roberts 
  ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:
 
  
   299.00?  WTF?  What the heck is Adobe smoking?  Looks like its back to
   CFEclipse for me!
  
   Eric
  
   -Original Message-
   From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:adrocknapho...@gmail.com]
   Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 11:46 AM
   To: cf-talk
   Subject: ColdFusion Builder Released!
  
  
   The subject says it all.
  
   If you haven't looked at ColdFusion Builder since the last public
beta,
  you
   should check out the final release. There have been about 4 months of
   performance enhancements, bug fixes and tweaks since then. You can
  download
   a 60-day trial of ColdFusion Builder from Adobe.com.
  
   http://bit.ly/TryBolt
  
   -Adam
  
  
  
  
  
 
 

 



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Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-22 Thread Joe None

The subject says it all.

If you haven't looked at ColdFusion Builder since the last public beta, you
should check out the final release. There have been about 4 months of
performance enhancements, bug fixes and tweaks since then. You can download
a 60-day trial of ColdFusion Builder from Adobe.com.

http://bit.ly/TryBolt

-Adam

I think it's a mistake to charge for it. Microsoft has Visual Studio that's 
free (last I checked anyhow) and I believe there are free IDE's for PHP as 
well. $249-299 seems steep if you want to expand CF to a larger audience. Maybe 
they don't though. 

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Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-22 Thread Charlie Griefer

On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Eric Roberts 
ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:


 Considering that I don't need flash...no it's not.  If flash is the cost,
 then they should offer a version without flash builder.  I think it is an
 outrageous price for a plugin.


That really depends on how much time it saves you.  I picked on 'em in the
cfeclipse list... but if oXygen can charge $350-$450 for a plugin that does
XML...

There will be people that think $299 is too much.  Had it been $199, or even
$99, I guarantee you there'd still be people who would have thought it was
too much.  As I said in my initial response... there's no way Adobe (or
anybody else) is going to please everybody.

If enough people are put off by the price tag, then Adobe won't have much of
a choice but to lower it.  Gotta sit back and see how it goes ;)

-- 
Charlie Griefer
http://charlie.griefer.com/

I have failed as much as I have succeeded. But I love my life. I love my
wife. And I wish you my kind of success.


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RE: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-22 Thread brad

 There's a $249 version that doesn't have FlashBuilder

Do you have a link for that?  I was unable to find a copy of CF Builder
without Flash Builder (Even though I would rather have it with).
I did, however, find a version of Flash Builder Standard for $250.  Are
you sure that isn't what you found?

~Brad




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Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-22 Thread Casey Dougall

On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 1:20 PM, Joe None drue...@comcast.net wrote:




 I think it's a mistake to charge for it. Microsoft has Visual Studio that's
 free (last I checked anyhow) and I believe there are free IDE's for PHP as
 well. $249-299 seems steep if you want to expand CF to a larger audience.
 Maybe they don't though.



Even more so as flash is 2000 n' late! Flex is dead unless they get it
runing on iPhone!


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Re: ColdFusion SQL Hack

2010-03-22 Thread Joe None

 I have added the #htmlEditFormat# TAG and will monitor the site over 
 the coming weeks and she what happens
 
 Thanks for everyone who helped! 

The Feedback section is entered with an administration section and this is 
locked down with a username and password.

If you say the person doing this has already signed into your admin app, try 
recording their IP address when they add the XSS code. Then fire them. If you 
have access to the web logs and the time they've added this malicious code 
(timestamp), you could look back at the ones they've already entered.  

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RE: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-22 Thread Eric Roberts

I can see $50 or $60 for this...not $299 or even $249.  I think Adobe has
forgotten who their greatest marketing tools are...the folks who are taking
up the slack where they are criminally absent.

Eric

-Original Message-
From: Jake Churchill [mailto:reyna...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 12:23 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!


There's a $249 version that doesn't have FlashBuilder

On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 12:21 PM, Charlie Griefer charlie.grie...@gmail.com
 wrote:


 Yeah, assuming you have an interest in FlashBuilder.

 There was no way Adobe was going to please everybody (well, not without
 outright giving it away... which wouldn't have pleased the shareholders).

 For those who are interested in FlashBuilder (and I'm one of 'em), this is
 a
 pretty smokin' deal.  For those who aren't... I can definitely see their
 point.

 On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Jake Churchill reyna...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 
  It's bundled with FlashBuilder 4 which is nice.  That's actually a
pretty
  decent price.
 
  On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 12:10 PM, Eric Roberts 
  ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:
 
  
   299.00?  WTF?  What the heck is Adobe smoking?  Looks like its back to
   CFEclipse for me!
  
   Eric
  
   -Original Message-
   From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:adrocknapho...@gmail.com]
   Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 11:46 AM
   To: cf-talk
   Subject: ColdFusion Builder Released!
  
  
   The subject says it all.
  
   If you haven't looked at ColdFusion Builder since the last public
beta,
  you
   should check out the final release. There have been about 4 months of
   performance enhancements, bug fixes and tweaks since then. You can
  download
   a 60-day trial of ColdFusion Builder from Adobe.com.
  
   http://bit.ly/TryBolt
  
   -Adam
  
  
  
  
  
 
 

 



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RE: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-22 Thread mark

You guys are a bunch of whiners.  I don't know if I'll buy ColdFusion
Builder yet, but if I do...$300 is cheap, for any software.  What do you
guys want?!  Free?  How much work do you do for free?  Don't buy it...fine,
but don't whine about $300.

-Original Message-
From: Eric Roberts [mailto:ow...@threeravensconsulting.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 1:24 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: RE: ColdFusion Builder Released!


That is still crazy for a plugin.  Adobe...please lay off the crack.  There
is no way that CFBuilder is worth that much.

Eric

-Original Message-
From: Jake Churchill [mailto:reyna...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 12:23 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!


There's a $249 version that doesn't have FlashBuilder

On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 12:21 PM, Charlie Griefer charlie.grie...@gmail.com
 wrote:


 Yeah, assuming you have an interest in FlashBuilder.

 There was no way Adobe was going to please everybody (well, not without
 outright giving it away... which wouldn't have pleased the shareholders).

 For those who are interested in FlashBuilder (and I'm one of 'em), this is
 a
 pretty smokin' deal.  For those who aren't... I can definitely see their
 point.

 On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Jake Churchill reyna...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 
  It's bundled with FlashBuilder 4 which is nice.  That's actually a
pretty
  decent price.
 
  On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 12:10 PM, Eric Roberts 
  ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:
 
  
   299.00?  WTF?  What the heck is Adobe smoking?  Looks like its back to
   CFEclipse for me!
  
   Eric
  
   -Original Message-
   From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:adrocknapho...@gmail.com]
   Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 11:46 AM
   To: cf-talk
   Subject: ColdFusion Builder Released!
  
  
   The subject says it all.
  
   If you haven't looked at ColdFusion Builder since the last public
beta,
  you
   should check out the final release. There have been about 4 months of
   performance enhancements, bug fixes and tweaks since then. You can
  download
   a 60-day trial of ColdFusion Builder from Adobe.com.
  
   http://bit.ly/TryBolt
  
   -Adam
  
  
  
  
  
 
 

 





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RE: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-22 Thread Scott Raley

Not when cfeclipse does a lot of what they are trying to do and hell
cfbuilder looks like cfeclipse

-Original Message-
From: Eric Roberts [mailto:ow...@threeravensconsulting.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 1:24 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: RE: ColdFusion Builder Released!


That is still crazy for a plugin.  Adobe...please lay off the crack.  There
is no way that CFBuilder is worth that much.

Eric

-Original Message-
From: Jake Churchill [mailto:reyna...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 12:23 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!


There's a $249 version that doesn't have FlashBuilder

On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 12:21 PM, Charlie Griefer charlie.grie...@gmail.com
 wrote:


 Yeah, assuming you have an interest in FlashBuilder.

 There was no way Adobe was going to please everybody (well, not without
 outright giving it away... which wouldn't have pleased the shareholders).

 For those who are interested in FlashBuilder (and I'm one of 'em), this is
 a
 pretty smokin' deal.  For those who aren't... I can definitely see their
 point.

 On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Jake Churchill reyna...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 
  It's bundled with FlashBuilder 4 which is nice.  That's actually a
pretty
  decent price.
 
  On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 12:10 PM, Eric Roberts 
  ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:
 
  
   299.00?  WTF?  What the heck is Adobe smoking?  Looks like its back to
   CFEclipse for me!
  
   Eric
  
   -Original Message-
   From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:adrocknapho...@gmail.com]
   Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 11:46 AM
   To: cf-talk
   Subject: ColdFusion Builder Released!
  
  
   The subject says it all.
  
   If you haven't looked at ColdFusion Builder since the last public
beta,
  you
   should check out the final release. There have been about 4 months of
   performance enhancements, bug fixes and tweaks since then. You can
  download
   a 60-day trial of ColdFusion Builder from Adobe.com.
  
   http://bit.ly/TryBolt
  
   -Adam
  
  
  
  
  
 
 

 





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RE: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-22 Thread Justin Scott

 There was no way Adobe was going to please everybody
 (well, not without outright giving it away... which
 wouldn't have pleased the shareholders).

Even if they gave it away it's still pretty much useless for my workflow.  I
need a lightweight editor which has some basic knowledge of ColdFusion and
can open/edit/save files anywhere, not a full-blown IDE with integrated
debugging support and a lock-in to their project model.  If I ever have a
need for a full-on IDE then I would say $299 isn't so bad, but as it stands
Adobe has made CF Builder pretty much impossible for me to use.


-Justin



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Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-22 Thread Casey Dougall

On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 1:33 PM, mark m...@mdprofinish.com wrote:


 You guys are a bunch of whiners.  I don't know if I'll buy ColdFusion
 Builder yet, but if I do...$300 is cheap, for any software.  What do you
 guys want?!  Free?  How much work do you do for free?  Don't buy it...fine,
 but don't whine about $300.




$329.95 for Microsoft Office... Now some say that's over priced but look at
what you get...


Access
Excel
Outlook with Business Contact Manager
PowerPoint
Publisher
Word


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Re: session variables

2010-03-22 Thread daniel kessler

From a session perspective, the session cookie (the browser side of the 
session) for https://www.mysite.com is *not* shared with the session 
cookie for http://www.mysite.com.

It sounds like they then won't mess with each other.  If I wanted to get rid of 
the https variables then I could just have a blank page with a structDelete in 
it, it would seem.

Honestly, I'm not sure I'm understanding the problem and I am just trying to 
work through it.  

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Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-22 Thread Wil Genovese

I switched back to CFEclipse last week. CFBuilder is not ready for prime
time in too many ways.  There are over 2000 open bugs and issues listed in
the public bug tracker.

If you read my morning blog post you'll know that CFBuilder also suffers
from very poor performance.

At $299 I expect a product that is enterprise ready and the free Flash
Builder does nothing for me.  I don't do flash/flex.

Wil Genovese
Blog: http://www.trunkful.com


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Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-22 Thread Charlie Griefer

On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 10:36 AM, Justin Scott jscott-li...@gravityfree.com
 wrote:


  There was no way Adobe was going to please everybody
  (well, not without outright giving it away... which
  wouldn't have pleased the shareholders).

 Even if they gave it away it's still pretty much useless for my workflow.
  I
 need a lightweight editor which has some basic knowledge of ColdFusion and
 can open/edit/save files anywhere, not a full-blown IDE with integrated
 debugging support and a lock-in to their project model.  If I ever have a
 need for a full-on IDE then I would say $299 isn't so bad, but as it stands
 Adobe has made CF Builder pretty much impossible for me to use.


The fact that it doesn't fit your particular workflow also falls into the
There was no way Adobe was going to please everybody bucket :)

If you happen to be on a Mac, I'd highly recommend TextMate as that
lightweight editor which has some basic knowledge of ColdFusion. I've been
using it for a few months now, and I'm pretty happy with it overall.
 Definitely lightweight, and has bundles (plugins) for both ColdFusion and
Railo.

But hey... we digress.  This is the coming out party for CFBuilder!  So to
address your CFBuilder related points... I agree that $299 is not a bad
price.  It's a great price if you need FlashBuilder... but even if not... if
it makes you more productive for a few hours, you've recovered your
investment.

Charlie Griefer
http://charlie.griefer.com/

I have failed as much as I have succeeded. But I love my life. I love my
wife. And I wish you my kind of success.


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Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-22 Thread Jason Fisher

@Joe, last time I got a quote for Visual Studio for my developers, it 
ran over $600 / seat ...

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Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-22 Thread Charlie Griefer

On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 10:40 AM, Casey Dougall 
ca...@uberwebsitesolutions.com wrote:


 On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 1:33 PM, mark m...@mdprofinish.com wrote:

 
  You guys are a bunch of whiners.  I don't know if I'll buy ColdFusion
  Builder yet, but if I do...$300 is cheap, for any software.  What do you
  guys want?!  Free?  How much work do you do for free?  Don't buy
 it...fine,
  but don't whine about $300.
 
 


 $329.95 for Microsoft Office... Now some say that's over priced but look at
 what you get...


For me personally, none of those products within the Office Suite are going
to make me money.  $299 on CFBuilder -and- FlashBuilder?  How long would it
take me to bang out either a CF site or a Flex site that would recover my
$299 investment?

To Mark's point... we use these tools to help us make money.  Yet there seem
to be a lot of people who get pretty indignant over the fact that we're
expected to pay money for these tools (as if they were magically conceived
by fairy dust and unicorn farts).

-- 
Charlie Griefer
http://charlie.griefer.com/

I have failed as much as I have succeeded. But I love my life. I love my
wife. And I wish you my kind of success.


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Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-22 Thread Dave Watts

 $329.95 for Microsoft Office... Now some say that's over priced but look at
 what you get...

 Access
 Excel
 Outlook with Business Contact Manager
 PowerPoint
 Publisher
 Word

They're able to do this because they sell enough copies. I doubt there
will be hundreds of millions of people buying CF Builder, or any other
developer product.

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/
http://training.figleaf.com/

Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on
GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized
instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite.

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RE: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-22 Thread Eric Roberts

The issue is that it is a plugin, not a full IDE...Eclipse already provides
the IDE and that is free.  If this was a package that they developed on
there own like DW...then that would be different.  Even so, they should be
encouraging developers, since we are the ones doing their marketing work for
them so that we will encourage our employers and clients to use CF.

Eric

-Original Message-
From: Justin Scott [mailto:jscott-li...@gravityfree.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 12:37 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: RE: ColdFusion Builder Released!


 There was no way Adobe was going to please everybody
 (well, not without outright giving it away... which
 wouldn't have pleased the shareholders).

Even if they gave it away it's still pretty much useless for my workflow.  I
need a lightweight editor which has some basic knowledge of ColdFusion and
can open/edit/save files anywhere, not a full-blown IDE with integrated
debugging support and a lock-in to their project model.  If I ever have a
need for a full-on IDE then I would say $299 isn't so bad, but as it stands
Adobe has made CF Builder pretty much impossible for me to use.


-Justin





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RE: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-22 Thread Eric Roberts

That is a full package that contains 5 or 6+ individual programs...not a
plugin for a free and open source IDE...

Eric

-Original Message-
From: Casey Dougall [mailto:ca...@uberwebsitesolutions.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 12:40 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!


On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 1:33 PM, mark m...@mdprofinish.com wrote:


 You guys are a bunch of whiners.  I don't know if I'll buy ColdFusion
 Builder yet, but if I do...$300 is cheap, for any software.  What do you
 guys want?!  Free?  How much work do you do for free?  Don't buy
it...fine,
 but don't whine about $300.




$329.95 for Microsoft Office... Now some say that's over priced but look at
what you get...


Access
Excel
Outlook with Business Contact Manager
PowerPoint
Publisher
Word




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Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-22 Thread Michael Dinowitz

Just to nip this in the bud. I'm letting debate on cfbuilder go on for
the moment (it's not really technical) but once we get close to attack
language, it's getting close to closing the thread. Keep it civil and
on topic and we're all good.

Thanks for helping me be less of a bad guy list manager. :)

--
Michael Dinowitz




On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 1:33 PM, mark m...@mdprofinish.com wrote:

 You guys are a bunch of whiners.  I don't know if I'll buy ColdFusion
 Builder yet, but if I do...$300 is cheap, for any software.  What do you
 guys want?!  Free?  How much work do you do for free?  Don't buy it...fine,
 but don't whine about $300.

 -Original Message-
 From: Eric Roberts [mailto:ow...@threeravensconsulting.com]
 Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 1:24 PM
 To: cf-talk
 Subject: RE: ColdFusion Builder Released!


 That is still crazy for a plugin.  Adobe...please lay off the crack.  There
 is no way that CFBuilder is worth that much.

 Eric

 -Original Message-
 From: Jake Churchill [mailto:reyna...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 12:23 PM
 To: cf-talk
 Subject: Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!


 There's a $249 version that doesn't have FlashBuilder

 On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 12:21 PM, Charlie Griefer charlie.grie...@gmail.com
 wrote:


 Yeah, assuming you have an interest in FlashBuilder.

 There was no way Adobe was going to please everybody (well, not without
 outright giving it away... which wouldn't have pleased the shareholders).

 For those who are interested in FlashBuilder (and I'm one of 'em), this is
 a
 pretty smokin' deal.  For those who aren't... I can definitely see their
 point.

 On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Jake Churchill reyna...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 
  It's bundled with FlashBuilder 4 which is nice.  That's actually a
 pretty
  decent price.
 
  On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 12:10 PM, Eric Roberts 
  ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:
 
  
   299.00?  WTF?  What the heck is Adobe smoking?  Looks like its back to
   CFEclipse for me!
  
   Eric
  
   -Original Message-
   From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:adrocknapho...@gmail.com]
   Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 11:46 AM
   To: cf-talk
   Subject: ColdFusion Builder Released!
  
  
   The subject says it all.
  
   If you haven't looked at ColdFusion Builder since the last public
 beta,
  you
   should check out the final release. There have been about 4 months of
   performance enhancements, bug fixes and tweaks since then. You can
  download
   a 60-day trial of ColdFusion Builder from Adobe.com.
  
   http://bit.ly/TryBolt
  
   -Adam
  
  
  
  
  
 
 







 

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RE: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-22 Thread Justin Scott

 The fact that it doesn't fit your particular workflow
 also falls into the There was no way Adobe was going
 to please everybody bucket :)

Exactly.  I need a Ford F-150, they've delivered a Caterpillar 797B.

 If you happen to be on a Mac, I'd highly recommend TextMate

I don't use a Mac personally, but I can second this anyway.  There are
several people in our office who use Mac and have been very happy with
TextMate.  They even extended the bundles to work with our in-house
development framework.  I tried the E editor for Windows, which supports
TextMate bundles, but it just wasn't my style.

 if it makes you more productive for a few hours, you've
 recovered your investment.

I agree.  $300 for a tool that makes you more productive isn't a lot to ask.
Heck, we just had a client drop $400 for Fusion Reactor so we could debug an
issue with their server.  It would have taken hours to crawl through their
code by hand to find the problem (way more than $400 in time anyway), so it
was a bargain.  If you buy CF Builder you're probably going to use it for
several years, so if it saves you a little bit of time each day that will
add up to some significant savings over the long-term.  In my case, the IDE
and project concept just gets in my way, so it actually slows me down, but
for those who work within the concepts that it's designed for I'd say it's a
fair deal.


-Justin



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RE: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-22 Thread Paul Alkema

I agree, I wouldn't want flashbuilder but I would want cfbuilder. I wouldn't
want to pay for flashbuilder if I don't want it.

I'm switching back to cfEclipse.


-Original Message-
From: Eric Roberts [mailto:ow...@threeravensconsulting.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 1:18 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: RE: ColdFusion Builder Released!


Considering that I don't need flash...no it's not.  If flash is the cost,
then they should offer a version without flash builder.  I think it is an
outrageous price for a plugin.

Eric

-Original Message-
From: Jake Churchill [mailto:reyna...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 12:14 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!


It's bundled with FlashBuilder 4 which is nice.  That's actually a pretty
decent price.

On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 12:10 PM, Eric Roberts 
ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:


 299.00?  WTF?  What the heck is Adobe smoking?  Looks like its back to
 CFEclipse for me!

 Eric

 -Original Message-
 From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:adrocknapho...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 11:46 AM
 To: cf-talk
 Subject: ColdFusion Builder Released!


 The subject says it all.

 If you haven't looked at ColdFusion Builder since the last public beta,
you
 should check out the final release. There have been about 4 months of
 performance enhancements, bug fixes and tweaks since then. You can
download
 a 60-day trial of ColdFusion Builder from Adobe.com.

 http://bit.ly/TryBolt

 -Adam




 





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Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-22 Thread Casey Dougall

On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 1:48 PM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote:


  $329.95 for Microsoft Office... Now some say that's over priced but look
 at
  what you get...
 
  Access
  Excel
  Outlook with Business Contact Manager
  PowerPoint
  Publisher
  Word

 They're able to do this because they sell enough copies. I doubt there
 will be hundreds of millions of people buying CF Builder, or any other
 developer product.




ColdFusion Builder is a new product for the more than one million ColdFusion
developers.

Even if they sold it to 100,000 developers... Mind you it also includes
flexBuilder and stuff...

$29,900,000

Not a bad profit...

Back to corporate America doing their part to raise money for share holders,
at the expense of their employees working harder for less.


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Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-22 Thread Dave Watts

 The issue is that it is a plugin, not a full IDE...Eclipse already provides
 the IDE and that is free.  If this was a package that they developed on
 there own like DW...then that would be different.

Why would this be any different?

Your problem here, in my opinion, is that you're looking at the
complexity of what you're buying, and the perceived value of the
amount of work done to build it. That really is completely irrelevant.
There's only one thing that's relevant: would buying this make you a
more productive developer and quickly cover the cost of the product?
If the answer is yes, you should buy it, even if it was easy for Adobe
to develop compared to other products. If the answer is no, you should
not buy it.

 Even so, they should be encouraging developers, since we are the ones doing
 their marketing work for them so that we will encourage our employers and
 clients to use CF.

Clearly, this argument is not compelling enough to Adobe, who
apparently feel entitled to make a profit on their work, just like you
and me.

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/
http://training.figleaf.com/

Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on
GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized
instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite

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RE: Cfsearch - Spell Checker

2010-03-22 Thread Paul Alkema

I asked this question at 10:03 AM this morning. Does anyone have any idea's
on this?

 

Thanks,

Paul

 

From: Paul Alkema [mailto:paulalkemadesi...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 10:03 AM
To: 'cf-talk@houseoffusion.com'
Subject: Cfsearch - Spell Checker

 

Hi All,

The CfSearch tag has a built in spell checker however, the company I work
for is an engineering company so words that people would search for and make
spelling issues are a bit more advanced than the built in spell checker that
adobe has provided by default via the cfSearch tag.

 

Does anyone know if there is a way to edit the list of spell fixes?

 

Best Regards,

Paul



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Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-22 Thread Dave Watts

 Back to corporate America doing their part to raise money for share holders,
 at the expense of their employees working harder for less.

You work for free? If not, why do you expect others to give you things for free?

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/
http://training.figleaf.com/

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Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-22 Thread Charlie Griefer

On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 10:59 AM, Eric Roberts 
ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:


 The issue is that it is a plugin, not a full IDE...Eclipse already provides
 the IDE and that is free.  If this was a package that they developed on
 there own like DW...then that would be different.  Even so, they should be
 encouraging developers, since we are the ones doing their marketing work
 for
 them so that we will encourage our employers and clients to use CF.


I'm going to go ahead and disagree with the fact that it being a plugin for
an existing framework should have any bearing on the cost.

The cost has to do with Adobe being a publicly traded company needing to
generate revenue and hopefully post a profit.  The cost would therefore more
likely be based on the amount of effort (time/money) involved in developing
(research, planning, developing, testing, marketing) the product.

I build web sites on existing frameworks (Model-Glue or ColdBox).  I don't
charge less money.  I charge for the time I spend, and the rate is something
that I calculate that makes the time I spend working (and away from my
family) worth the effort.

By building it on top of Eclipse, Adobe is giving you the flexibility to
extend the IDE to fit your needs by installing any number of the hundreds of
existing plugins.  I think that's a good move for most (again, bearing in
mind you can't please everybody).

I also think their move to bundle CFBuilder with FlashBuilder -is-
encouraging developers.  It's encouraging me to make the foray into Flex,
which is something that I've wanted to do for a while now.  It will likely
also encourage Flex developers (who may be using PHP on the server) to take
a look at ColdFusion.  I get that it doesn't encourage you, and I'm
genuinely sorry to hear that.  Again tho, it falls into the bucket of ain't
gonna please everybody.

I think these types of discussions in general would be far more productive
if people would keep that in mind.  It may not work for you... but it may
very well work for a majority of others.  Saying, as Justin did, it doesn't
work for me is far less provoking than, man, Adobe WTF?  What are you guys
smoking?.

Again, if it doesn't work for you (and by you, I mean anybody who shares
your sentiment), and cfeclipse does... I'd suggest that you be grateful that
a project like cfeclipse exists.  It was suggested on their mailing list
that those who fit into that category maybe take some fo the $ that they're
-not- spending on CFBuilder and donate it to cfeclipse.  Or, as was also
suggested on their list, donate your time in helping out the project
(doesn't have to be with actually coding the IDE, but maintaining the web
site, etc).



-- 
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http://charlie.griefer.com/

I have failed as much as I have succeeded. But I love my life. I love my
wife. And I wish you my kind of success.


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Re: ColdFusion SQL Hack

2010-03-22 Thread Al Musella, DPM

I would also add this:
http://www.cflib.org/udf/FormStripHTMLhttp://www.cflib.org/udf/FormStripHTML
strip out the html before it goes into the database.

This query below is only hackable if the County.ID is a text field 
and people can enter it from a website. (Like if you ask for an 
abbreviation as the country ID)

  cfquery name=RS1 datasource=DS1
  SELECT FEEDBACK.ID, FEEDBACK.FEEDBACK, FEEDBACK.LEFT_BY, 
County.County, County.ID
  FROM FEEDBACK INNER JOIN
   County ON (FEEDBACK.COUNTY = County.ID)
  /cfquery





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Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-22 Thread Jordan Michaels

Agreed. I like that CFBuilder comes with the Adobe-Specific features. We 
don't use Flash or Flex extremely often, but when we do it's nice to 
have the option to use a tool that is designed to make using those 
technologies super-simple.

Warm regards,
Jordan Michaels
Vivio Technologies
http://www.viviotech.net/
Open BlueDragon Steering Committee
Railo Community Distributions


Jake Churchill wrote:
 It's bundled with FlashBuilder 4 which is nice.  That's actually a pretty
 decent price.
 
 On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 12:10 PM, Eric Roberts 
 ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:
 
 299.00?  WTF?  What the heck is Adobe smoking?  Looks like its back to
 CFEclipse for me!

 Eric

 -Original Message-
 From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:adrocknapho...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 11:46 AM
 To: cf-talk
 Subject: ColdFusion Builder Released!


 The subject says it all.

 If you haven't looked at ColdFusion Builder since the last public beta, you
 should check out the final release. There have been about 4 months of
 performance enhancements, bug fixes and tweaks since then. You can download
 a 60-day trial of ColdFusion Builder from Adobe.com.

 http://bit.ly/TryBolt

 -Adam





 
 

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Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-22 Thread denstar

On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Dave Watts wrote:

 Back to corporate America doing their part to raise money for share holders,
 at the expense of their employees working harder for less.

 You work for free? If not, why do you expect others to give you things for 
 free?

I do a lot of work for free (if there is such a thing).

And I still wouldn't expect others to give me things for free.  :)

:Den

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Hide our ignorance as we will, an evening of wine soon reveals it.
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Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-22 Thread Casey Dougall

On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 2:18 PM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote:


  Back to corporate America doing their part to raise money for share
 holders,
  at the expense of their employees working harder for less.

 You work for free? If not, why do you expect others to give you things for
 free?



Nothing is free in life... I don't actually have a problem with the price,
but that being said, they could afford to promote coldfusion more if they
sell 100,000 copies.


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Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-22 Thread Kris Sisk

You guys are a bunch of whiners.  I don't know if I'll buy ColdFusion
Builder yet, but if I do...$300 is cheap, for any software.  What do you
guys want?!  Free?  How much work do you do for free?  Don't buy it...fine,
but don't whine about $300.


$300 cheap for any software? What kind of Kool Aid have you been drinking? 

Don't get me wrong. ColdFusion Builder is a great IDE and I'll probably shell 
out the $300 for it (or get my company to buy it). The issue is that we're 
already shelling out at least $1200 to Adobe for a product that has free 
products as its chief competition. It would have been wise, given that price 
tag versus the price tag of PHP (or even Railo) to give us a free, or at least 
inexpensive, IDE. As is, I'm feeling shafted. I almost certainly won't use 
Flash Builder so I fell like I'm being forced to buy a $250 IDE that I won't 
use to get a $50 IDE that I will.

That said, I'm on my way to my boss' office to ask if we've got the money in 
the budget for it now. Most likely it won't happen due to the budget cuts we're 
facing, and working for public schools certainly doesn't give me the kind of 
financial flexibility I'd need to buy a $300 IDE any time soon. 

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Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-22 Thread Adrocknaphobia

Eric,

It's clear that ColdFusion Builder is not for you. However, there are a lot
of people who don't mind paying for a tool that they will use 40+ hour a
week. You clearly aren't one of them and that's why CFE isn't going
anywhere. :-)

Will,

It would be helpful if you could provide specific bugs that you think impede
the use of ColdFusion Builder.

-Adam

On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 2:29 PM, Casey Dougall 
ca...@uberwebsitesolutions.com wrote:


 On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 2:18 PM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote:

 
   Back to corporate America doing their part to raise money for share
  holders,
   at the expense of their employees working harder for less.
 
  You work for free? If not, why do you expect others to give you things
 for
  free?
 
 

 Nothing is free in life... I don't actually have a problem with the price,
 but that being said, they could afford to promote coldfusion more if they
 sell 100,000 copies.


 

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Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-22 Thread Wil Genovese

Adam, those are already in the bug tracker.  I was really disappointed when 
CFBuilder we released this morning. I really think it needs more work.  

I highlight my main beefs on my blog this morning.  
http://www.trunkful.com/index.cfm/CF-Builder

  
Wil Genovese

One man with courage makes a majority.
-Andrew Jackson

A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well. 

On Mar 22, 2010, at 1:55 PM, Adrocknaphobia wrote:

 
 Eric,
 
 It's clear that ColdFusion Builder is not for you. However, there are a lot
 of people who don't mind paying for a tool that they will use 40+ hour a
 week. You clearly aren't one of them and that's why CFE isn't going
 anywhere. :-)
 
 Will,
 
 It would be helpful if you could provide specific bugs that you think impede
 the use of ColdFusion Builder.
 
 -Adam
 
 On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 2:29 PM, Casey Dougall 
 ca...@uberwebsitesolutions.com wrote:
 
 
 On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 2:18 PM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote:
 
 
 Back to corporate America doing their part to raise money for share
 holders,
 at the expense of their employees working harder for less.
 
 You work for free? If not, why do you expect others to give you things
 for
 free?
 
 
 
 Nothing is free in life... I don't actually have a problem with the price,
 but that being said, they could afford to promote coldfusion more if they
 sell 100,000 copies.
 
 
 
 
 

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RE: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-22 Thread Andy Matthews

What does that have to do with it? That's a pretty lame excuse. I could say
why should you charge for a website when Microsoft or Apache built the web
server your site runs on?


andy 

-Original Message-
From: Eric Roberts [mailto:ow...@threeravensconsulting.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 1:00 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: RE: ColdFusion Builder Released!


The issue is that it is a plugin, not a full IDE...Eclipse already provides
the IDE and that is free.  If this was a package that they developed on
there own like DW...then that would be different.  Even so, they should be
encouraging developers, since we are the ones doing their marketing work for
them so that we will encourage our employers and clients to use CF.

Eric

-Original Message-
From: Justin Scott [mailto:jscott-li...@gravityfree.com]
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 12:37 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: RE: ColdFusion Builder Released!


 There was no way Adobe was going to please everybody
 (well, not without outright giving it away... which
 wouldn't have pleased the shareholders).

Even if they gave it away it's still pretty much useless for my workflow.  I
need a lightweight editor which has some basic knowledge of ColdFusion and
can open/edit/save files anywhere, not a full-blown IDE with integrated
debugging support and a lock-in to their project model.  If I ever have a
need for a full-on IDE then I would say $299 isn't so bad, but as it stands
Adobe has made CF Builder pretty much impossible for me to use.


-Justin







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Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-22 Thread Jochem van Dieten

On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Jake Churchill wrote:
 It's bundled with FlashBuilder 4 which is nice.  That's actually a pretty
 decent price.

You get it for 'free' with Flash Builder 4 Premium, which is a EUR 270
upgrade from Flex Builder 3. Over 2 years that is less then 60 cents
per day. Most companies spend three times as much on coffee.

Jochem


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RE: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-22 Thread Andy Matthews

Kris...

If ColdFusion has free products as its chief competition then why are you
dropping the money to purchase ColdFusion? There's a reason for that...it's
the same reason you might drop cash for ColdFusion Builder, and it's the
same argument that Charlie has been making since the thread started.
ColdFusion, and CFBuilder, makes you more productive.


andy

-Original Message-
From: Kris Sisk [mailto:ks...@gckschools.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 1:47 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!


You guys are a bunch of whiners.  I don't know if I'll buy ColdFusion 
Builder yet, but if I do...$300 is cheap, for any software.  What do 
you guys want?!  Free?  How much work do you do for free?  Don't buy 
it...fine, but don't whine about $300.


$300 cheap for any software? What kind of Kool Aid have you been drinking? 

Don't get me wrong. ColdFusion Builder is a great IDE and I'll probably
shell out the $300 for it (or get my company to buy it). The issue is that
we're already shelling out at least $1200 to Adobe for a product that has
free products as its chief competition. It would have been wise, given that
price tag versus the price tag of PHP (or even Railo) to give us a free, or
at least inexpensive, IDE. As is, I'm feeling shafted. I almost certainly
won't use Flash Builder so I fell like I'm being forced to buy a $250 IDE
that I won't use to get a $50 IDE that I will.

That said, I'm on my way to my boss' office to ask if we've got the money in
the budget for it now. Most likely it won't happen due to the budget cuts
we're facing, and working for public schools certainly doesn't give me the
kind of financial flexibility I'd need to buy a $300 IDE any time soon. 



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RE: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-22 Thread Andy Matthews

Two years ago my company of 60+ was spending almost $20k a year on coffee.


andy 

-Original Message-
From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:joch...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 2:27 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!


On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Jake Churchill wrote:
 It's bundled with FlashBuilder 4 which is nice.  That's actually a 
 pretty decent price.

You get it for 'free' with Flash Builder 4 Premium, which is a EUR 270
upgrade from Flex Builder 3. Over 2 years that is less then 60 cents per
day. Most companies spend three times as much on coffee.

Jochem


--
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http://jochem.vandieten.net/



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CFPDFForm and iText signature

2010-03-22 Thread Chad Gray

I am using CFPDFForm to populate a PDF form with data from a database and save 
it to the server.  This works fine. I open it and the data is in the PDF.
 
I added another step to the CFM page that after CFPDFForm saves the file I run 
iText to apply a signature to the PDF and flatten the form.
 
I open the new PDF with the signature and all my form data is gone.  Only the 
signature is on the PDF.
 
I thought maybe it was a timing issue that CFPDFForm was not saving the file 
before iText got a hold of it.  This is not the case.  I can take the CFPDFform 
generated PDF and only run the iText code on it and the form data is never 
retained.  Only the signature is on the PDF.
 
I opened the PDF with form data in Acrobat and did a save.  Ran my iText code 
on it and the form data and signature was on the PDF.
 
I am baffled.  I don’t understand why when I run the iText signature code that 
the data put into the form by CFPDFForm would be deleted.
 
Ideas?
Thanks,
Cha

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Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-22 Thread Adrocknaphobia

Wil,

If you can provide the bug numbers, I'll dig into them. We spent the last 2
months working 1:1 with prerelease users on performance issues and resolved
every single one we knew about. There is only so much we can do about the
performance of 3rd party SVN plug-ins or the resources required by eclipse.

-Adam

On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Wil Genovese jugg...@visi.com wrote:


 Adam, those are already in the bug tracker.  I was really disappointed when
 CFBuilder we released this morning. I really think it needs more work.

 I highlight my main beefs on my blog this morning.
 http://www.trunkful.com/index.cfm/CF-Builder


 Wil Genovese

 One man with courage makes a majority.
 -Andrew Jackson

 A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well.

 On Mar 22, 2010, at 1:55 PM, Adrocknaphobia wrote:

 
  Eric,
 
  It's clear that ColdFusion Builder is not for you. However, there are a
 lot
  of people who don't mind paying for a tool that they will use 40+ hour a
  week. You clearly aren't one of them and that's why CFE isn't going
  anywhere. :-)
 
  Will,
 
  It would be helpful if you could provide specific bugs that you think
 impede
  the use of ColdFusion Builder.
 
  -Adam
 
  On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 2:29 PM, Casey Dougall 
  ca...@uberwebsitesolutions.com wrote:
 
 
  On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 2:18 PM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote:
 
 
  Back to corporate America doing their part to raise money for share
  holders,
  at the expense of their employees working harder for less.
 
  You work for free? If not, why do you expect others to give you things
  for
  free?
 
 
 
  Nothing is free in life... I don't actually have a problem with the
 price,
  but that being said, they could afford to promote coldfusion more if
 they
  sell 100,000 copies.
 
 
 
 
 

 

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Re: session variables

2010-03-22 Thread Ian Skinner

On 3/22/2010 10:35 AM, daniel kessler wrote:

 Honestly, I'm not sure I'm understanding the problem and I am just trying to 
 work through it.


Session data in ColdFusion is tied to unique combinations of user, 
browser and domain.  And the http and https versions of your website are 
viewed as two different domains.  This is due to the normal behavior of 
ColdFusion using cookies to pass the tokens that lets it know with 
session data goes with what http requests.

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Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-22 Thread Casey Dougall

On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 3:29 PM, Andy Matthews li...@commadelimited.comwrote:


 Two years ago my company of 60+ was spending almost $20k a year on coffee.


 andy



Could be cheaper to buy everyone one 5 hour energy a day...


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Re: CFC Newbie

2010-03-22 Thread Tony Bentley

ask and you shall be enlightened:

http://www.bennadel.com/blog/726-ColdFusion-Application-cfc-Tutorial-And-Application-cfc-Reference.htm
 

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Re: CFC Newbie

2010-03-22 Thread Dave Watts

 ask and you shall be enlightened:

 http://www.bennadel.com/blog/726-ColdFusion-Application-cfc-Tutorial-And-Application-cfc-Reference.htm

While that's useful information to be sure, it doesn't address the
original poster's question, which is about CFC use in general.
Application.cfc is quite a bit different from other CFCs in how it's
used - you don't explicitly instantiate it, for example.

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http://training.figleaf.com/

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RE: CFC Newbie

2010-03-22 Thread Ben Forta

These are old, but may answer the question:

http://www.adobe.com/devnet/coldfusion/articles/intro_cfcs.html
http://www.adobe.com/devnet/coldfusion/extreme/bforta_cfc.html

--- Ben


-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 3:44 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: CFC Newbie


 ask and you shall be enlightened:


http://www.bennadel.com/blog/726-ColdFusion-Application-cfc-Tutorial-And-App
lication-cfc-Reference.htm

While that's useful information to be sure, it doesn't address the
original poster's question, which is about CFC use in general.
Application.cfc is quite a bit different from other CFCs in how it's
used - you don't explicitly instantiate it, for example.

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/
http://training.figleaf.com/

Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on
GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized
instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite.



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RE: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-22 Thread Stephens, Larry V

So, for those of us who haven't used CFEclipse or kept track of CF Builder: 
what are the advantages of CF Builder over Dreamweaver. Another version of the 
same general animal or a different realm entirely?

Larry Stephens

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Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-22 Thread Adrocknaphobia

Ray Camden posted a comparison matrix showing the differences between the
various CF tools and Builder.

http://www.coldfusionjedi.com/index.cfm/2010/3/22/Three-useful-ColdFusion-Builder-links

http://www.coldfusionjedi.com/index.cfm/2010/3/22/Three-useful-ColdFusion-Builder-links
-Adam

On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Stephens, Larry V steph...@indiana.eduwrote:


 So, for those of us who haven't used CFEclipse or kept track of CF Builder:
 what are the advantages of CF Builder over Dreamweaver. Another version of
 the same general animal or a different realm entirely?

 Larry Stephens

 

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RE: CFC Newbie

2010-03-22 Thread Scott Raley

Yep read those first Ben!

-Original Message-
From: Ben Forta [mailto:b...@forta.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 3:49 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: RE: CFC Newbie


These are old, but may answer the question:

http://www.adobe.com/devnet/coldfusion/articles/intro_cfcs.html
http://www.adobe.com/devnet/coldfusion/extreme/bforta_cfc.html

--- Ben


-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 3:44 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: CFC Newbie


 ask and you shall be enlightened:


http://www.bennadel.com/blog/726-ColdFusion-Application-cfc-Tutorial-And-App
lication-cfc-Reference.htm

While that's useful information to be sure, it doesn't address the
original poster's question, which is about CFC use in general.
Application.cfc is quite a bit different from other CFCs in how it's
used - you don't explicitly instantiate it, for example.

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/
http://training.figleaf.com/

Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on
GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized
instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite.





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Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-22 Thread Wil Genovese

Bugs:

Bug# 82359 is a big one CFBuilder opens files from wrong location.
Bug# 82358, 82290
Bug#'s 82190,81586,79025,74920
Bug# 82103
Bug# 82419 - no 64bit support on the Mac or on 64Bit Windows.

Adam, the only plugin I use with ColdFusion Builder is Subversive.  I use the 
exact plugin with my CFEclipse installation and I do not experience the same 
issues.  I really do not believe the performance issues can be pawned off on 
the Eclipse foundation or third party plugins.  Well, then again to be fair I 
am using the 64 Bit version of Eclipse for my CFEclipse install on my Mac.  
Maybe that is the performance difference.  If it is see bug number 82419.  

Wil Genovese

One man with courage makes a majority.
-Andrew Jackson

A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well. 

On Mar 22, 2010, at 2:31 PM, Adrocknaphobia wrote:

 
 Wil,
 
 If you can provide the bug numbers, I'll dig into them. We spent the last 2
 months working 1:1 with prerelease users on performance issues and resolved
 every single one we knew about. There is only so much we can do about the
 performance of 3rd party SVN plug-ins or the resources required by eclipse.
 
 -Adam
 
 On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Wil Genovese jugg...@visi.com wrote:
 
 
 Adam, those are already in the bug tracker.  I was really disappointed when
 CFBuilder we released this morning. I really think it needs more work.
 
 I highlight my main beefs on my blog this morning.
 http://www.trunkful.com/index.cfm/CF-Builder
 
 
 Wil Genovese
 
 One man with courage makes a majority.
 -Andrew Jackson
 
 A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well.
 
 On Mar 22, 2010, at 1:55 PM, Adrocknaphobia wrote:
 
 
 Eric,
 
 It's clear that ColdFusion Builder is not for you. However, there are a
 lot
 of people who don't mind paying for a tool that they will use 40+ hour a
 week. You clearly aren't one of them and that's why CFE isn't going
 anywhere. :-)
 
 Will,
 
 It would be helpful if you could provide specific bugs that you think
 impede
 the use of ColdFusion Builder.
 
 -Adam
 
 On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 2:29 PM, Casey Dougall 
 ca...@uberwebsitesolutions.com wrote:
 
 
 On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 2:18 PM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote:
 
 
 Back to corporate America doing their part to raise money for share
 holders,
 at the expense of their employees working harder for less.
 
 You work for free? If not, why do you expect others to give you things
 for
 free?
 
 
 
 Nothing is free in life... I don't actually have a problem with the
 price,
 but that being said, they could afford to promote coldfusion more if
 they
 sell 100,000 copies.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

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Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-22 Thread Casey Dougall

On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 3:53 PM, Adrocknaphobia adrocknapho...@gmail.comwrote:


 Ray Camden posted a comparison matrix showing the differences between the
 various CF tools and Builder.


 http://www.coldfusionjedi.com/index.cfm/2010/3/22/Three-useful-ColdFusion-Builder-links




Doesn't Dreamweaver have secure ftp support?

 And what is

Extensible w/ CFML


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RE: CFPDFForm and iText signature

2010-03-22 Thread Chad Gray

Hmmm I had to add a CFPDF flatten=yes  tag after CFPDFForm to flatten 
the PDF before stepping into the iText code.

Slows the page WAY down, but that is the only solution I have found so far.



-Original Message-
From: Chad Gray [mailto:cg...@careyweb.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 3:31 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: CFPDFForm and iText signature


I am using CFPDFForm to populate a PDF form with data from a database and save 
it to the server.  This works fine. I open it and the data is in the PDF.
 
I added another step to the CFM page that after CFPDFForm saves the file I run 
iText to apply a signature to the PDF and flatten the form.
 
I open the new PDF with the signature and all my form data is gone.  Only the 
signature is on the PDF.
 
I thought maybe it was a timing issue that CFPDFForm was not saving the file 
before iText got a hold of it.  This is not the case.  I can take the CFPDFform 
generated PDF and only run the iText code on it and the form data is never 
retained.  Only the signature is on the PDF.
 
I opened the PDF with form data in Acrobat and did a save.  Ran my iText code 
on it and the form data and signature was on the PDF.
 
I am baffled.  I don’t understand why when I run the iText signature code that 
the data put into the form by CFPDFForm would be deleted.
 
Ideas?
Thanks,
Cha



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Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-22 Thread Dave Watts

 Doesn't Dreamweaver have secure ftp support?

Yes.

  And what is

 Extensible w/ CFML

You can write CF Builder Extensions that have a server-side component,
written in CFML. Some of the extensions that come with CF Builder do
this already, I think.

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RE: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-22 Thread Chad Gray

My only .02 on the subject is I hope it is eventually bundled with Creative 
Suite for web.

Or maybe there needs to be a Creative Suite for Coder.  

I don’t use Illustrator, fireworks, soundbooth, bridge etc.  So take those out 
and put in CFB and Flash Builder.

Chad

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Eclipse and FTP Support...

2010-03-22 Thread Christopher Stowell

does anyone have a link(s) to FTP plugins for Eclipse?  Which ones do you 
recommend?



  

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Re: Eclipse and FTP Support...

2010-03-22 Thread Wil Genovese

Personally I never use FTP from within my IDE.   That makes it to tempting to 
just edit code live and bypass the SVN and local dev testing.

I think its a mater of enforcing best practices.  


Wil Genovese

One man with courage makes a majority.
-Andrew Jackson

A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well. 

On Mar 22, 2010, at 3:19 PM, Christopher Stowell wrote:

 
 does anyone have a link(s) to FTP plugins for Eclipse?  Which ones do you 
 recommend?
 
 
 
 
 
 

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Re: Eclipse and FTP Support...

2010-03-22 Thread Jake Churchill

CF Eclipse has a File Explorer View which supports FTP.  I am working on a
project now where the development server has a complex setup and it's just
easier to code that way than set it up locally.

On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 3:25 PM, Wil Genovese jugg...@visi.com wrote:


 Personally I never use FTP from within my IDE.   That makes it to tempting
 to just edit code live and bypass the SVN and local dev testing.

 I think its a mater of enforcing best practices.


 Wil Genovese

 One man with courage makes a majority.
 -Andrew Jackson

 A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well.

 On Mar 22, 2010, at 3:19 PM, Christopher Stowell wrote:

 
  does anyone have a link(s) to FTP plugins for Eclipse?  Which ones do you
 recommend?
 
 
 
 
 
 

 

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RE: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-22 Thread Eric Nicholas Sweeney

Amen Chad - - I would like to See Flex in there as well.

Very frustrating to buy the Master Collection and have it missing a few
tools I would prefer to have...  However - I don't think they should
remove anything - I just think the term Master Collection should include
more - if not everything.

And as I suggested before - it should ship with the developer edition of
Coldfusion. 

It boggles me when I watch their videos and the cross reference their own
tools - and then don't package them together. (Probably in the works though
*sigh*)

- Nick

-Original Message-
From: Chad Gray [mailto:cg...@careyweb.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 3:19 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: RE: ColdFusion Builder Released!


My only .02 on the subject is I hope it is eventually bundled with Creative
Suite for web.

Or maybe there needs to be a Creative Suite for Coder.  

I don't use Illustrator, fireworks, soundbooth, bridge etc.  So take those
out and put in CFB and Flash Builder.

Chad



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Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-22 Thread Wil Genovese

I had suggested to Adobe last June via my blog and in direct emails with
Adam Lehman about a Builder Suite.

http://www.trunkful.com/index.cfm/2009/6/12/New-Adobe-Pricing-and-Software-Bundles

I was assured back then that discussion were deep at Adobe on this subject.
It looks like they are starting with a very basic Builder Suite bundle. By
guess is once ColdFusion Builder is strong enough to stand on its own we'll
see a more fully rounded Builder Suite.

Wil



On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 2:35 PM, Eric Nicholas Sweeney 
n...@bigfatdesigns.com wrote:


 Amen Chad - - I would like to See Flex in there as well.

 Very frustrating to buy the Master Collection and have it missing a few
 tools I would prefer to have...  However - I don't think they should
 remove anything - I just think the term Master Collection should include
 more - if not everything.

 And as I suggested before - it should ship with the developer edition of
 Coldfusion.

 It boggles me when I watch their videos and the cross reference their own
 tools - and then don't package them together. (Probably in the works though
 *sigh*)

 - Nick

 -Original Message-
 From: Chad Gray [mailto:cg...@careyweb.com]
 Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 3:19 PM
 To: cf-talk
 Subject: RE: ColdFusion Builder Released!


 My only .02 on the subject is I hope it is eventually bundled with Creative
 Suite for web.

 Or maybe there needs to be a Creative Suite for Coder.

 I don't use Illustrator, fireworks, soundbooth, bridge etc.  So take those
 out and put in CFB and Flash Builder.

 Chad



 

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Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-22 Thread Ian Skinner

On 3/22/2010 1:35 PM, Eric Nicholas Sweeney wrote:
 Amen Chad - - I would like to See Flex in there as well.


Flash Builder is the new name of what used to be called 'Flex' Builder.


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Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-22 Thread Casey Dougall

On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 4:49 PM, Ian Skinner h...@ilsweb.com wrote:


 On 3/22/2010 1:35 PM, Eric Nicholas Sweeney wrote:
  Amen Chad - - I would like to See Flex in there as well.
 

 Flash Builder is the new name of what used to be called 'Flex' Builder.



Does Flash builder include Coldfusion Builder, I'm confused on that one...


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Re: ColdFusion Builder Released!

2010-03-22 Thread Charlie Griefer

On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Casey Dougall 
ca...@uberwebsitesolutions.com wrote:


 On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 4:49 PM, Ian Skinner h...@ilsweb.com wrote:

 
  On 3/22/2010 1:35 PM, Eric Nicholas Sweeney wrote:
   Amen Chad - - I would like to See Flex in there as well.
  
 
  Flash Builder is the new name of what used to be called 'Flex' Builder.
 
 

 Does Flash builder include Coldfusion Builder, I'm confused on that one...


The premium edition does.

Adobe Flash Builder 4 Premium Edition adds professional testing tools,
including profilers, network monitoring, and unit testing support, and
includes a license for Adobe ColdFusion® Builder™ software.

http://www.adobe.com/products/flex/buy/


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