Re: Odd Code Showing up in URL

[Russ Michaels]

here are a couple of security solutions that will help you protect your
code.

http://foundeo.com/security/

http://portcullis.riaforge.org/

Russ

On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 11:55 PM, David Moore  wrote:

>
> >I've found that a lot of these issues are caused by either bots, or
> someone
> >linking to a webpage and made a typo. Most likely bots.
>
> I am checking to see if it is a bot or not. In this case, it was not. I
> guess that's why I was more curious. If it is a bot, like Google or Slurp, I
> mark it up to junk in/junk out.
>
> I am using cfqueryparam everywhere now at the bequest of Mark Kruger, my
> mentor and guide through this world of CF Programming.
>
> If anyone has any other suggestions, please continue to provide them. I am
> doing some URL Clean-up and will add some more  page> as has been suggested in this post as well.
>
> I feel like it is someone looking for a way to hack in and I would love to
> know the best way to discourage this kind of coding.
>
> David G. Moore, Jr.
>
> "Learning every day"
>
> 

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Re: Odd Code Showing up in URL

[David Moore]

>I've found that a lot of these issues are caused by either bots, or someone
>linking to a webpage and made a typo. Most likely bots.

I am checking to see if it is a bot or not. In this case, it was not. I guess 
that's why I was more curious. If it is a bot, like Google or Slurp, I mark it 
up to junk in/junk out.

I am using cfqueryparam everywhere now at the bequest of Mark Kruger, my mentor 
and guide through this world of CF Programming.

If anyone has any other suggestions, please continue to provide them. I am 
doing some URL Clean-up and will add some more  as has been suggested in this post as well.

I feel like it is someone looking for a way to hack in and I would love to know 
the best way to discourage this kind of coding.

David G. Moore, Jr.

"Learning every day" 

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RE: multiple checkbox

[Brian Polackoff]

Not sure if this applies or if it will work for you, but this is what I have
done in the past (for small inserts only).  On the "UPDATE" do a "DELETE"
from table 2 all data for that WKID, then simply do an insert.  This way you
don't have to determine which is checked or not checked. Quick and easy.

Brian

-Original Message-
From: Frank Liu [mailto:fliu2...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 4:07 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: multiple checkbox


Hello everyone.
I am new to coldfusion. Please help.
In table1, I have something like:

WKIDName
1002High School

In table2, I have something like:
WKTitleApproval
1002  Math Teacher Yes/No
1002  Scienct Teacher  Yes/No
1002  English Teacher  Yes/No

My form looks like this:
WKID:   1002
Name:   High School
TitleApproval
Math Teacher checkbox
Science Teacher  checkbox
English Teacher  checkbox

My problem is if I only check one checkbox, but in table2, every checkbox is
checked (yes) and saved. How do I know which one is checked? if so only
checked box is saved in table2.

I see something like this:

  
 .


But I do not know the detail. 

Thanks




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multiple checkbox

[Frank Liu]

Hello everyone.
I am new to coldfusion. Please help.
In table1, I have something like:

WKIDName
1002High School

In table2, I have something like:
WKTitleApproval
1002  Math Teacher Yes/No
1002  Scienct Teacher  Yes/No
1002  English Teacher  Yes/No

My form looks like this:
WKID:   1002
Name:   High School
TitleApproval
Math Teacher checkbox
Science Teacher  checkbox
English Teacher  checkbox

My problem is if I only check one checkbox, but in table2, every checkbox is 
checked (yes) and saved. How do I know which one is checked? if so only checked 
box is saved in table2.

I see something like this:


 
 .


But I do not know the detail. 

Thanks


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check multi checkbox

[Frank Liu]

Hello everyone.
I am new to coldfusion. Please help.
In table1, I have something like:

WKIDName
1002High School

In table2, I have something like:
WKTitleApproval
1002  Math Teacher Yes/No
1002  Scienct Teacher  Yes/No
1002  English Teacher  Yes/No

My form looks like this:
WKID:   1002
Name:   High School
TitleApproval
Math Teacher checkbox
Science Teacher  checkbox
English Teacher  checkbox

My problem is if I only check one checkbox, but in table2, every checkbox is 
checked (yes) and saved. How do I know which one is checked? if so only checked 
box is saved in table2.

I see something like this:


 
 .


But I do not the detail. 

Thanks
 


 


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check multi checkbox

[Frank Liu]

Hello everyone.

I am new to coldfusion. Please help.

In table1, I have something like:

WKIDName
1002High School

In table2, I have something like:
WKTitleApproval
1002  Math Teacher Yes/No
1002  Scienct Teacher  Yes/No
1002  English Teacher  Yes/No

My form like this:
WKID:   1002
Name:   High School
TitleApproval
Math Teacher checkbox
Science Teacher
 


 


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Re: html to pdf... again.

[Mike Chabot]

There are a lot of settings, many of which are important, such as those
controlling image handling and page margins. The reference guide lists all
of them.

-Mike Chabot

On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 3:36 PM, Les Irvin  wrote:

>
> Are there innumerable options and settings needed within the
> CFdocument tag, or it just simply wrapping that sucker within the
> simple tag and going for it?  Background colors and css is all
> preserved?
>
> On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 1:33 PM, Robert Harrison
>  wrote:
> >
> > We've done this a few times. If you're using advanced CSS and  in
> the HTML layout, the results when you go to CFPDF can be tricky.
> >
> > We've found if you generate more rigid old style HTML tables the results
> on going to PDF are more predictable.
> >
> >
> >
> > Robert B. Harrison
> > Director of Interactive Services
> > Austin & Williams
> > 125 Kennedy Drive, Suite 100
> > Hauppauge NY 11788
> > P : 631.231.6600 Ext. 119
> > F : 631.434.7022
> > http://www.austin-williams.com
> >
> > Great advertising can't be either/or.  It must be &.
> >
> > Plug in to our blog: A&W Unplugged
> > http://www.austin-williams.com/unplugged
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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RE: Odd Code Showing up in URL

[Robert Harrison]

Error on line -1

I've seen this a couple of time also and have asked this on list without 
getting a solid answer. If it helps I can tell you that the few times I've seen 
this myself the error has been related to a query. 

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Re: html to pdf... again.

[Mike Chabot]

It depends on the makeup of the HTML you are trying to convert and which
version of CF you are using. The cfdocument tag is one that has seen good
improvements in each release of CF, so you are going to have an easier time
using it if you are using CF9. cfdocument doesn't support the same level of
HTML and CSS that a Web browser supports and it is one of the most
frustrating tags to deal with. If you have control over the HTML/CSS, you
might want to simplify it to get a page that looks good in the browser, and
also looks good when converted to PDF. This might involve techniques like
using tables to precisely control the layout instead of CSS positioning.
Third party commercial programs do a better job at turning HTML into
PDFs. ActivePDF is a popular third party tool that works well.

-Mike Chabot

On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 3:14 PM, Les Irvin  wrote:

>
> This should be easy.  I'm working on a site to allow real estate
> agents to tweak a brochure on-line, then save it as a PDF.  All I want
> to do is take the resulting page of html, convert it exactly as it
> looks in the browser to a PDF file (including colors, backgrounds,
> images, formating, etc.), then print the sucker using the PDF they've
> created. CFdocument and all its children are producing horrible
> results and causing me to pull out what little hair I have left.
>
> Is there anyway to do this within CF, or do I need to look elsewhere?
>
> Thanks,
> Les
>
> 

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Re: html to pdf... again.

[Les Irvin]

Are there innumerable options and settings needed within the
CFdocument tag, or it just simply wrapping that sucker within the
simple tag and going for it?  Background colors and css is all
preserved?

On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 1:33 PM, Robert Harrison
 wrote:
>
> We've done this a few times. If you're using advanced CSS and  in the 
> HTML layout, the results when you go to CFPDF can be tricky.
>
> We've found if you generate more rigid old style HTML tables the results on 
> going to PDF are more predictable.
>
>
>
> Robert B. Harrison
> Director of Interactive Services
> Austin & Williams
> 125 Kennedy Drive, Suite 100
> Hauppauge NY 11788
> P : 631.231.6600 Ext. 119
> F : 631.434.7022
> http://www.austin-williams.com
>
> Great advertising can't be either/or.  It must be &.
>
> Plug in to our blog: A&W Unplugged
> http://www.austin-williams.com/unplugged
>
>
>
> 

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RE: html to pdf... again.

[Robert Harrison]

We've done this a few times. If you're using advanced CSS and  in the 
HTML layout, the results when you go to CFPDF can be tricky. 

We've found if you generate more rigid old style HTML tables the results on 
going to PDF are more predictable. 



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Austin & Williams
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Hauppauge NY 11788
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F : 631.434.7022
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Re: html to pdf... again.

[Michael Grant]

It's extremely easy. Though sometimes getting everything pixel perfect is
tough.
 if you are on cf9, or  if you are cf7/8

On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 3:14 PM, Les Irvin  wrote:

>
> This should be easy.  I'm working on a site to allow real estate
> agents to tweak a brochure on-line, then save it as a PDF.  All I want
> to do is take the resulting page of html, convert it exactly as it
> looks in the browser to a PDF file (including colors, backgrounds,
> images, formating, etc.), then print the sucker using the PDF they've
> created. CFdocument and all its children are producing horrible
> results and causing me to pull out what little hair I have left.
>
> Is there anyway to do this within CF, or do I need to look elsewhere?
>
> Thanks,
> Les
>
> 

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RE: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?

[Robert Harrison]

>  I've seen a lot of real crap code on some of the older sites I've taken 
> over.  On those sites CF wasn't the problem, the coder was the problem

In fairness, I should add... I've looked at a lot of my own code from my first 
few sites and said "that's crap".  

CF turned me into a newt... well, I got better :-)


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Re: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?

[Josh Nathanson]

Michael is echoing what I meant to say;  I should have been more clear that
when I said "grow the product" I actually meant "grow the user base of the
product."

On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 6:27 PM, Michael Grant  wrote:

>
> >
> > You really believe they're not "grow[ing] the product" with all of those
> > advances and investment and effort??
> >
>
> I know for me the issue isn't that they aren't growing the product. The
> product just keeps getting better. It's that they aren't growing the user
> base enough.
>
>
> 

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RE: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?

[Robert Harrison]

> No one is saying you're "responsible" for making CF successful.

In many ways, we are. 

If all CF Coders were hacks and the code doesn't work, the market place is just 
as likely to think CF is garbage as it is to realize their site didn't work 
because they hired a hack. No matter how good CF is, lots of  poorly sites code 
could definitely affect the market perception of CF. 

In part, I've always thought this was some of what happened to CF initially.  
I've seen a lot of real crap code on some of the older sites I've taken over.  
On those sites CF wasn't the problem, the coder was the problem. And I've seen 
clients who've said, yeah, I had a CF site and it never worked right. Don't use 
CF. It doesn't work. 

Maybe just the opposite is happening and Adobe is saving CF by "making is 
harder to use".Maybe that will drive away the hacks and as a result CF 
sites will get better and stronger.

... Just a thought :-)

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html to pdf... again.

[Les Irvin]

This should be easy.  I'm working on a site to allow real estate
agents to tweak a brochure on-line, then save it as a PDF.  All I want
to do is take the resulting page of html, convert it exactly as it
looks in the browser to a PDF file (including colors, backgrounds,
images, formating, etc.), then print the sucker using the PDF they've
created. CFdocument and all its children are producing horrible
results and causing me to pull out what little hair I have left.

Is there anyway to do this within CF, or do I need to look elsewhere?

Thanks,
Les

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Re: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?

[Michael Grant]

>
> We could have been having this same conversation ten years ago.
>

Too right. However how you interpret that is up to you. I guess it could be
seen as a positive sign that despite all the doom and gloom CF is still
around. Or it could be seen as a negative sign that after ten years CF still
hasn't been able to shake off the "cf is dying" stigma.


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Re: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?

[Dave Watts]

> So just because that is the way things have been, they should continue?
> Come on Dave...  Imagine if people saw a big market for CF and companies
> knew the full extent of its capabilities.  Imagine of Adobe spent as much as
> it does for Flash or Photoshop in getting the word out as it does for CF.
> Having a smaller pool of developers is beneficial to us as it keeps our
> rates high, but that is not sustainable.  I find more and more companies
> moving away from CF...partly because of misconceptions about the product and
> partly because of the difficulty of finding developers period...let alone
> good developers.  Most CF shops I have been to (here in the US)are mostly
> staffed with folks from, India because they can't find any American
> developers because the American developers are already employed, or they
> have moved on to other languages that have a larger corporate audience.
> Don't you think that it would behoove Adobe to go out and do some marketing
> and get some good awareness of CF and get the facts out?  The status quo is
> not working...we are hemorrhaging companies that use CF...Hel...there was a
> discussion earlier this week about how the government is even going away
> from CF.  Sounds to me like Adobe (as Macromedia did) sat on CF's laurels in
> the marketing department and didn't do much to grow the business.

I think that Adobe will do what behooves Adobe. Adobe wants to make a
profit on CF sales. There have been discussions FOREVER about how
everyone's abandoning CF. We could have been having this same
conversation ten years ago.

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
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Re: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?

[Dave Watts]

> Are you responsible for making that your car or your refrigerator or your
> TV is a commercial success?

No. But this is not even wrong as a response: once again, illustrating
the limits of analogies.

Cars and refrigerators aren't anything like programming languages. I
don't get any benefit from people buying the same car as I do, but I
may benefit from people using the same tools as I do, especially if I
get paid to use those tools. Do you get paid to drive your car? Or to
open your refrigerator?

No one is saying you're "responsible" for making CF successful. You
can do what you like. But that doesn't affect the very simple
observation that the success of programming languages is often driven
by their users, not by their creators.

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Re: cfUniform Help

[cold.fusion]

  I'll reply here, in case someone else has the same questions.

Basically I have either a select or an input that I'm trying toplace an 
'add' icon directly next to it, to which I can then bind aclick action to 
open a modal window. Resizing the actual field isfairly easy (just add an 
additional class declaration), but theimage always rolls to the next line 
(has to be on the same line).

Yeah, I saw the multiField in the demo (that's what I'm using for
side-by-side field placement). I'm actually trying to put adatepicker field 
on the same line as another datepicker field, orwith a select, or with an 
input... Just wondering if there was aneasy way to do it. In the 
type="custom" field, I added an input likethis:



But that didn't add it. I tracked down the generated JS forinitializing 
the datepickers:

$('#addEditForm .addDatePicker').datepick();

I have the 'addDatePicker' class associated with that field, so I
thought it might be a selector issue. I ran a console.log statementin 
Firebug on the selector and it came back with the field. Hmmm?

I read up a bit on the plugin. Since I'm using JQueryUI anyway I canuse 
it's (scaled down) datepicker. I took out the loadDateUI fromthe form and 
added my own dp call, which rendered the datepickers,once I figured out the 
options I needed.

Of course, now the calendar icons are rolling down to the nextline...;)
Steve 'Cutter' BladesAdobe Certified ExpertAdvanced Macromedia ColdFusion 
MX 7 Developerhttp://blog.cutterscrossing.com"The best way to 
predict the future is to help create it"
On 1/14/2011 11:18 AM, Matt Quackenbush wrote:  Steve,I already 
replied to your email, but since you opened this thread, I willcopy that reply 
here.  :-)1) If by "add" trigger you mean dynamically adding/removing fields, 
thenperhaps this link will 
help:http://www.quackfuzed.com/demos/jQuery/dynamicField/cfUniFormIntegration.cfm.If
 you meant something else, please elaborate.2) I don't have any side-by-side 
stuff in any of my apps, so I havepersonally never even played with it.  I do 
know that others have, however.There are three classes that spring to mind that 
should help with thesizing: medium, short, multiField.  The first two would be 
placed on theinput element itself to decrease the width.  For an example of 
multiField,check out the all-in-a-row date examples on the Kitchen Sink demo 
(http://www.quackfuzed.com/demos/cfUniForm/kitchenSink.cfm).HTH!

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RE: (ot) Server Setup Opinions

[Che Vilnonis]

Thanks for all of the responses.
Looks like I'll be doing what I always have done... keeping the db and the
app server separate. 

-Original Message-
From: Russ Michaels [mailto:r...@michaels.me.uk] 
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 12:40 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: RE: (ot) Server Setup Opinions


Hey Al,

This is actually not true.
A hardware failure will affect everything yes yes, but if CF fails this will
not affect ASP or .net or PHP or HTML pages and vice versa.
If the DB server fails this will not affects pages that do not use the DB or
where the queries are cached.

Russ

-Original Message-
From: Al Musella, DPM [mailto:muse...@virtualtrials.com]
Sent: 14 January 2011 16:51
To: cf-talk
Subject: RE: (ot) Server Setup Opinions


Actually - that is a point in FAVOR of combining the 2.   If you have 
2 servers - one for database and one for Webserver/CF,  a failure on either
one will bring down all of your websites. You double the chance that there
will be a problem.


   I run a server that combines everything.. It only has a few small
websites, and CPU is usually sitting at about 2%.  I would say combine them
all, and see how it goes. When it gets to the point where the websites
aren't snappy enough, separate out the database server to a different
computer.

I am about to upgrade to a newer server also. (Mine is about 5 years old)..
what are people using for a firewall / security appliance? I am looking at a
cisco 5505.



At 10:17 AM 1/14/2011, you wrote:
>This does cause you a single point of failure  though, so if CF for 
>example canes the CPU then this will affect the database server as well.







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Re: Odd Code Showing up in URL

[Justin Scott]

> You will notice the ServiceID of -1%27 which should be an integer. It
> also did not come from a Search Engine, which is a whole other
> issue I have noticed that I did not before.

It's likely an automated bot probing the site for weaknesses.  If
you're properly sanitizing user input through data scrubbing and
following up with protections like cfqueryparam then it shouldn't be
much of a concern.  For integer URL values, I will always...




This guarantees a positive integer or zero.  That gets followed up
with use of cfqueryparam on any queries it touches.  Since it's a
positive integer or zero, the query won't error.  You can then check
to see if the query returned any results and take appropriate action.
For example, on a product detail page, there should always be an ID
value and the query should always return one product.  If the
recordcount is zero, then something is wrong with the URL value so I
just redirect them back to the home page.  Keeps the error reports to
a minimum and brushes off these kinds of probes without any sweat.


-Justin Scott

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RE: Odd Code Showing up in URL

[Paul Alkema]

I've found that a lot of these issues are caused by either bots, or someone
linking to a webpage and made a typo. Most likely bots.

In your error reporting do you have anything that grabs the user agent of
the error? I've found that looking at user agents can sometime help me to
determine if it's a bot or not but you have to keep in mind that there are
definitely tricky bots out there that emulate real people.

One of the websites I maintain has around 800,000 pageviews a month. This
website also has an error reporting like yours and I've found that the
majority of them are just bots.

I would just make sure you take proper security precautions on all of your
code and you should be fine. 

-Original Message-
From: David Moore [mailto:dgmoor...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 12:48 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Odd Code Showing up in URL


I recently added an  to my websites and it has helped me discover a
lot of issues I needed to fix. At the same time, I have some very odd code
showing up and didn't know if it is something I should address or is it
someone trying to hack into my websites. Here is an example:

http://www.oconeemed.org/index.cfm?PageID=21&ParentPageID=4&NavID=4&ServiceI
D=-1%27&PageText=off

You will notice the ServiceID of -1%27 which should be an integer. It also
did not come from a Search Engine, which is a whole other issue I have
noticed that I did not before.

I guess I am asking is if I should be concerned about this or is it just
some kind of oddity. I am noticing it showing up on many of the websites I
host.

Thank you in advance,

David G. Moore, Jr. 



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Odd Code Showing up in URL

[David Moore]

I recently added an  to my websites and it has helped me discover a 
lot of issues I needed to fix. At the same time, I have some very odd code 
showing up and didn't know if it is something I should address or is it someone 
trying to hack into my websites. Here is an example:

http://www.oconeemed.org/index.cfm?PageID=21&ParentPageID=4&NavID=4&ServiceID=-1%27&PageText=off

You will notice the ServiceID of -1%27 which should be an integer. It also did 
not come from a Search Engine, which is a whole other issue I have noticed that 
I did not before.

I guess I am asking is if I should be concerned about this or is it just some 
kind of oddity. I am noticing it showing up on many of the websites I host.

Thank you in advance,

David G. Moore, Jr. 

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RE: (ot) Server Setup Opinions

[Russ Michaels]

Hey Al,

This is actually not true.
A hardware failure will affect everything yes yes, but if CF fails this will
not affect ASP or .net or PHP or HTML pages and vice versa.
If the DB server fails this will not affects pages that do not use the DB or
where the queries are cached.

Russ

-Original Message-
From: Al Musella, DPM [mailto:muse...@virtualtrials.com] 
Sent: 14 January 2011 16:51
To: cf-talk
Subject: RE: (ot) Server Setup Opinions


Actually - that is a point in FAVOR of combining the 2.   If you have 
2 servers - one for database and one for Webserver/CF,  a failure on either
one will bring down all of your websites. You double the chance that there
will be a problem.


   I run a server that combines everything.. It only has a few small
websites, and CPU is usually sitting at about 2%.  I would say combine them
all, and see how it goes. When it gets to the point where the websites
aren't snappy enough, separate out the database server to a different
computer.

I am about to upgrade to a newer server also. (Mine is about 5 years old)..
what are people using for a firewall / security appliance? I am looking at a
cisco 5505.



At 10:17 AM 1/14/2011, you wrote:
>This does cause you a single point of failure  though, so if CF for 
>example canes the CPU then this will affect the database server as well.





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Re: (ot) job-placement agent

[Brandon]

+1 For TEKSystems

On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 10:16 AM, Jason Fisher  wrote:

>
> Got great help a number of years ago from TEKSystems and I've had good
> experiences with Kforce as well.
>
> 
>
> From: "John M Bliss" 
> Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 10:25 AM
> To: "cf-talk" 
> Subject: (ot) job-placement agent
>
> Have you every used a job-placement agent?  (Not sure if that's exactly
> what
> they're called.)  Someone who helps with your CV, markets you, sets up
> interviews, and then gets paid by employer that eventually hires you.  If
> so, can you recommend one and/or a company that does this sort of thing?
> URL?
>
> Thanks!
>
> P.S. Boss, if you're reading this, I'm not looking...it's for a friend.
> :-)
>
> --
> John Bliss - http://about.me/jbliss
>
>
>
> 

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Re: cfUniform Help

[Matt Quackenbush]

Steve,

I already replied to your email, but since you opened this thread, I will
copy that reply here.  :-)

1) If by "add" trigger you mean dynamically adding/removing fields, then
perhaps this link will help:
http://www.quackfuzed.com/demos/jQuery/dynamicField/cfUniFormIntegration.cfm.
If you meant something else, please elaborate.

2) I don't have any side-by-side stuff in any of my apps, so I have
personally never even played with it.  I do know that others have, however.
There are three classes that spring to mind that should help with the
sizing: medium, short, multiField.  The first two would be placed on the
input element itself to decrease the width.  For an example of multiField,
check out the all-in-a-row date examples on the Kitchen Sink demo (
http://www.quackfuzed.com/demos/cfUniForm/kitchenSink.cfm).

HTH!


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RE: (ot) Server Setup Opinions

[Al Musella, DPM]

Actually - that is a point in FAVOR of combining the 2.   If you have 
2 servers - one for database and one for Webserver/CF,  a failure on 
either one will bring down all of your websites. You double the 
chance that there will be a problem.


   I run a server that combines everything.. It only has a few small 
websites, and CPU is usually sitting at about 2%.  I would say 
combine them all, and see how it goes. When it gets to the point 
where the websites aren't snappy enough, separate out the database 
server to a different computer.

I am about to upgrade to a newer server also. (Mine is about 5 years 
old)..  what are people using for a firewall / security appliance? I 
am looking at a cisco 5505.



At 10:17 AM 1/14/2011, you wrote:
>This does cause you a single point of failure  though, so if CF for example
>canes the CPU then this will affect the database server as well.



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cfUniform Help

[cold.fusion]

  Diving in head first on my first foray into using cfUniForm, and
hitting some snags someone may have already dealt with.

1) When using a field of type="custom" for side-by-side fieldlayout, I 
am trying to add an "add" trigger button to bind a modalwindow. I can't 
figure out the css to place my trigger next to afield in the layout?

2) When using a field to type="custom" for side-by-side fieldlayout, I 
am trying to use 1, 2 or more datefields in a row (ormixed with selects or 
inputs). Is there an easy way to do this? Ordo I need to hack my datefields 
directly?
-- Steve 'Cutter' BladesAdobe Certified ExpertAdvanced Macromedia 
ColdFusion MX 7 Developerhttp://blog.cutterscrossing.com"The best 
way to predict the future is to help create it"  



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Re: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?

[Gerald Guido]

>>Preaching to the choir is important, but does it
grow the developer base if our corporate datacenters won't
support CF?

The ranting crazy guy is right.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8To-6VIJZRE

G!

On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Roger Austin  wrote:

>
>  I am enjoying the conversation on this as I think it is healthy.
>
>  Adobe is very gracious to the developer community. They
> provide funds for user groups and local conferences all the
> time. They groom the CF ACP people to be evangelists for the
> product. Preaching to the choir is important, but does it
> grow the developer base if our corporate datacenters won't
> support CF? Spend some money on marketing to the CIOs.
>
>  @RogerTheGeek
>
> 

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Re: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?

[Roger Austin]

  I am enjoying the conversation on this as I think it is healthy.

  Adobe is very gracious to the developer community. They
provide funds for user groups and local conferences all the
time. They groom the CF ACP people to be evangelists for the
product. Preaching to the choir is important, but does it
grow the developer base if our corporate datacenters won't
support CF? Spend some money on marketing to the CIOs.

  @RogerTheGeek

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re: (ot) job-placement agent

[Jason Fisher]

Got great help a number of years ago from TEKSystems and I've had good 
experiences with Kforce as well.



From: "John M Bliss" 
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 10:25 AM
To: "cf-talk" 
Subject: (ot) job-placement agent

Have you every used a job-placement agent?  (Not sure if that's exactly 
what
they're called.)  Someone who helps with your CV, markets you, sets up
interviews, and then gets paid by employer that eventually hires you.  If
so, can you recommend one and/or a company that does this sort of thing?
URL?

Thanks!

P.S. Boss, if you're reading this, I'm not looking...it's for a friend.  
:-)

-- 
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RE: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?

[Mark A. Kruger]

I'm with Robert on this one... more work than we can shake a stick at...
high profile clients.


-Original Message-
From: Robert Harrison [mailto:rob...@austin-williams.com] 
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 9:18 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: RE: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?


> Just because MORE businesses aren't using ColdFusion, doesn't mean that
businesses aren't using MORE ColdFusion

I think I can attest to that. We add another 20 or so CF sites to the list
every year. And our client aren't slouches. They include banks, credit
unions, major law firms, hospitals, and colleges.  These clients are large
and are making major investments in the CF technologies we are developing
for them. Many of these sites are in the six figure range. For a college,
bank, or hospital, rebuilding a web site is a MAJOR undertaking and those
site will be around for a long time to come. 

And just like you see .NET and PHP replacing CF sites, we've replaced a lot
of .NET and PHP site with Cold Fusion... and the clients are very happy with
the results. 
 

Robert B. Harrison
Director of Interactive Services
Austin & Williams
125 Kennedy Drive, Suite 100 
Hauppauge NY 11788
P : 631.231.6600 Ext. 119 
F : 631.434.7022
http://www.austin-williams.com 

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(ot) job-placement agent

[John M Bliss]

Have you every used a job-placement agent?  (Not sure if that's exactly what
they're called.)  Someone who helps with your CV, markets you, sets up
interviews, and then gets paid by employer that eventually hires you.  If
so, can you recommend one and/or a company that does this sort of thing?
 URL?

Thanks!

P.S. Boss, if you're reading this, I'm not looking...it's for a friend.  :-)

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RE: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?

[Robert Harrison]

>  Imagine of Adobe spent as much as it does for Flash or Photoshop in getting 
> the word out as it does for CF

There's one thing that kills me. I think CF may be around a lot longer than 
Flash. Talk around here is that Flash may die. I know we are using jQuery and 
CSS more and more and relying on Flash less and less. And when HTML 5 comes 
full force and the new video Codec wars settle, I see even less use for Flash. 

We continue to develop or CF assets at full speed ahead.  If I were Adobe I 
take some of those Flash dollars and move them to CF :-)


Robert B. Harrison
Director of Interactive Services
Austin & Williams
125 Kennedy Drive, Suite 100 
Hauppauge NY 11788
P : 631.231.6600 Ext. 119 
F : 631.434.7022
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RE: (ot) Server Setup Opinions

[Mark A. Kruger]

I'm a fan of A where possible.

In your scenario you can probably get away with one server with CF + MSSQL
for a while and move the separate DB to your scalability plan. But you
should carefully tune the CF heap and memory limit of SQL server to make
sure that each of them uses only X amount of memory. If you don't, SQL
server will expand to use up all available memory and when your heap needs
to reszie you may get an outofmemory error. But most folks forget that SQL
can be fine tuned to use only a certain amount of physical memory. You
should also disable Named pipes and shared memory libraries - leaving ONLY
tcp/ip as the net library of choice for DB access. Disable all uneeded
services and exclude DB folders from AV scanning. That's my 2 cents 

(hey Kelly :)

-Original Message-
From: Kelly Matthews [mailto:ke...@webdiva.org] 
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 8:45 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: (ot) Server Setup Opinions


I'd go with option A. The one time I had SQL and CF on the same box it
caused issues and was not efficient. 

>No problem. Were a Windows shop. So it will be Microsoft 2008 R2 for the OS
>and the DB. 
>
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RE: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?

[Robert Harrison]

> Just because MORE businesses aren't using ColdFusion, doesn't mean that 
> businesses aren't using MORE ColdFusion

I think I can attest to that. We add another 20 or so CF sites to the list 
every year. And our client aren't slouches. They include banks, credit unions, 
major law firms, hospitals, and colleges.  These clients are large and are 
making major investments in the CF technologies we are developing for them. 
Many of these sites are in the six figure range. For a college, bank, or 
hospital, rebuilding a web site is a MAJOR undertaking and those site will be 
around for a long time to come. 

And just like you see .NET and PHP replacing CF sites, we've replaced a lot of 
.NET and PHP site with Cold Fusion... and the clients are very happy with the 
results. 
 

Robert B. Harrison
Director of Interactive Services
Austin & Williams
125 Kennedy Drive, Suite 100 
Hauppauge NY 11788
P : 631.231.6600 Ext. 119 
F : 631.434.7022
http://www.austin-williams.com 

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RE: (ot) Server Setup Opinions

[Russ Michaels]

You will never get the best performance having them on the same server, but
disks is the real bottleneck. As long as you have your databases running of
a different physical disk than everything else then you can get away with
having it all on one machine, more so if you can isolate the CPU's or cores
to different processes.
This does cause you a single point of failure  though, so if CF for example
canes the CPU then this will affect the database server as well.

If you can afford separate servers then get separate servers.

This is less of an issue on VPS with say RAID 10 setup, as there always
multiple disks being read/write to anyway, so the performance hit is no
where near as bad, and in tests SQL Server has performed well in a VPS
environment.


Russ

-Original Message-
From: Che Vilnonis [mailto:ch...@asitv.com] 
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 9:55 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: (ot) Server Setup Opinions


I host approx. 5-6 dozen (small traffic) database driven CF sites on
multiple servers and I am in the market for new server hardware. Since I
last purchased hardware, the capabilities of server hardware has increased
dramatically. That said, for those of you whose company hosts CF web sites,
do you:

A: Have a separate database server and a separate web server for 'X' number
of sites?
B: Have one server that is the combined database/web server for only 'X'
number of sites? 
C: Have one 'mega' server that is the combined database/web server for all
of your sites?
D: Some other combo. Please explain.

I guess I'm wondering if it is still frowned upon to combine the database
and the web server on the same machine? Any responses would be appreciated.

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RE: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?

[Eric Roberts]

So just because that is the way things have been, they should continue?
Come on Dave...  Imagine if people saw a big market for CF and companies
knew the full extent of its capabilities.  Imagine of Adobe spent as much as
it does for Flash or Photoshop in getting the word out as it does for CF.
Having a smaller pool of developers is beneficial to us as it keeps our
rates high, but that is not sustainable.  I find more and more companies
moving away from CF...partly because of misconceptions about the product and
partly because of the difficulty of finding developers period...let alone
good developers.  Most CF shops I have been to (here in the US)are mostly
staffed with folks from, India because they can't find any American
developers because the American developers are already employed, or they
have moved on to other languages that have a larger corporate audience.
Don't you think that it would behoove Adobe to go out and do some marketing
and get some good awareness of CF and get the facts out?  The status quo is
not working...we are hemorrhaging companies that use CF...Hel...there was a
discussion earlier this week about how the government is even going away
from CF.  Sounds to me like Adobe (as Macromedia did) sat on CF's laurels in
the marketing department and didn't do much to grow the business.

-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 22:00 
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?


> > This bodes well in that as long as it is profitable they won't kill 
> > it entirely, but it's certainly no way to grow the product.
>
> Oh come on! After the huge list of enhancements added in both ACF8 and 
> ACF9? And creating a dedicated IDE for CFML development? And a roadmap 
> containing updated versions of both ACF ("X") and CFBuilder (plans for
> 2.0 and 3.0)? You really believe they're not "grow[ing] the product"
> with all of those advances and investment and effort??

Yeah, I don't really get this either. Adobe's clearly pouring tons of effort
into improving the product, even cannibalizing features from other products.
But if there's one thing that's always been true of the CF user base, it's
always had its fair share of vocal critics of how CF is being managed,
marketed, etc. I've been working with CF since version 1, and this has
always been the way things are.

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RE: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?

[Eric Roberts]

Are you responsible for making  that your car or your refrigerator or your
TV is a commercial success?  

-Original Message-
From: Sean Corfield [mailto:seancorfi...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 20:16 
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?


On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 5:07 PM, Wil Genovese  wrote:
> I would also argue that price and the lack of ANY school, college, etc
exposing students to ColdFusion is also a big part of this.

I'll argue against this being an issue (as I've argued against it several
times in the past): most of the people I know doing software for a living
are not using the technology they learned at school / college. Many of them
didn't learn any technology at school / college but here they are writing
code now.

> But I think Adobe NEEDS to get into schools at all levels and push
ColdFusion very hard. Yes, I know the educational license is available.

And there's the full curriculum freely available too.

> IMHO one reason why some companies are moving away from ColdFusion is due
to the relatively small number of CF programmers.

Yet some companies are moving from, say, Java to other languages with far
smaller communities than CF (Clojure, Scala). I think Groovy's community is
only about the same size as CF's and Ruby is only twice that - yet companies
are moving to those languages. I suspect companies complaining about the
lack of good CF programmers just think the grass will be greener elsewhere.
the reality is that finding good developers is hard in almost any technology
(although in the niche, leading edge languages, the bar tends to be much
higher so quality is generally better, even if the numbers are even worse).

> Plus I think we cost more? I'm not sure about this, but all the PHP jobs I
saw this past year paid poorly.

True. PHP jobs in general pay much less than CF jobs. I'll posit that
Clojure, Scala, Groovy and Ruby jobs all pay a lot more than PHP too (and
probably more than CF jobs for the most part?).

> To me, the growth and future of ColdFusion depends on the community as
well as Adobe.

Yes. I'm not saying Adobe is absolved from responsibility here - I'm just
pushing back on people who seem to think it's entirely Adobe's
responsibility and that the community should be able to just sit back and
enjoy financial success because of Adobe "doing everything".

> I'd rather have a ColdFusion language that was a bit more difficult to
learn so that real programmers programmed CF. I'm not being elitist or
arrogant, I'm just expressing my opinion that has been based on what I have
seen.

I've been flamed for making similar comments :)

> It's up to everyone to step up and promote ColdFusion.

Amen.
--
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RE: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?

[Eric Roberts]

No he said that is how Adobe and Macromedia before them has treated it...not
that it is how it should be.  That is what  everyone seems to be advocating.

-Original Message-
From: Gerald Guido [mailto:gerald.gu...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 19:58 
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?


On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 7:55 PM, Sean Corfield
wrote:
>> Didn't you read what I said?

Loosely translated, you said that the continued success of a commercial
product is the responsibility of the consumer to advocate it's use to other
consumers and not the company that produced the product.

Flame on Garth,
G!

On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 7:55 PM, Sean Corfield
wrote:

>
> On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 4:47 PM, Michael Grant  wrote:
> > If the success of CF isn't Adobe's responsibility then who's is it?
>
> Didn't you read what I said?
>
> >> Remember: the success of PHP, Ruby and other languages has come 
> >> about _without_ a company spending money on marketing. Those 
> >> languages have become popular because their users - their 
> >> communities - have evangelized and created tutorials and books and 
> >> great free open source software and so on. You can't lay the fault at
Adobe's door...
>
> Community promotion made PHP, Ruby et al popular.
>
> Sean
>
> 



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Re: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?

[James Holmes]

Not many, in my employer's case. Now I'm a .NET developer.

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On 14 January 2011 22:06, Eric Roberts  wrote:
>
> How many times does a company have to
> look for CF devs and not find any before they move on to a different
> language?

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RE: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?

[Eric Roberts]

It's not even on the list of featured downloads...you actually have to dig a
little to find a link to download it.  I also don't think that Adobe really
cares about CF all that much.

-Original Message-
From: Michael Grant [mailto:mgr...@modus.bz] 
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 19:41 
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?


No. I'm comparing little apples (Allaire) to bigger apples (Macromedia) to
enormous apples (Adobe).

I've been using CF for many many years. I've done a lot to spread the word
in my neck of the woods. I've been laughed at for years for my choice of
go-to languages. I've talked until I'm blue in the face defending CF against
all the uninformed opinions and pre-conceived notions. I've had to convince
clients why CF is a good choice. I've fought the good fight since v4. And I
have noticed, as I'm sure others have, that since Adobe purchased Macromedia
CF seems to be treated like the ugly cousin that came with Flash.

It's about optics. And since Adobe got CF it is virtually invisible in the
dev world outside of it's community. It's can't be all left up to the user
base to make the product successful. Where we're at right now with CF is as
far as the community can take it.

That's what I think anyway. For whatever that's worth.



On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 8:21 PM, Matt Quackenbush
wrote:

>
> Hmm.  Isn't that exactly what you (and others) are doing, too?  
> Comparing apples to oranges?
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 7:18 PM, Michael Grant wrote:
>
> >
> > He's comparing free open source products (apples) to extremely 
> > expensive products (oranges) and saying the reason it isn't 
> > successful is because the community hasn't evangelized enough.
> >
>
>
> 



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RE: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?

[Eric Roberts]

No kidding, if evangelize any more, they are going to start calling us
Apostles ;-)  I have to agree with Michael.  Marketing has been an issue
throughout CF's history.  Allaire was probably the last to do any decent
marketing.  Macromedia didn't do squat and neither has Adobe.  How may
"Death of CF" articles does it take to realize that there are some serious
chunks of misinformation out there that haven't been cleared up by Adobe.
We the developers can only do so much.  When was the last time you saw a CF
billboard?  I see billboards for other enterprise level products like
databases and even IDE's on the subways of Chicago because they know that
CIO and other management also take those trains and they can get the word
out.  When was the last time you saw an ad in a tech rag or on a tech
website?  Yeah, Adobe's idea of a market is different from just about
everyone else...its non-existent.  How many times does a company have to
look for CF devs and not find any before they move on to a different
language?

-Original Message-
From: Michael Grant [mailto:mgr...@modus.bz] 
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 19:18 
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?


I didn't miss his point at all. Don't interpret a differing opinion as a
lack of understanding. He's comparing free open source products (apples) to
extremely expensive products (oranges) and saying the reason it isn't
successful is because the community hasn't evangelized enough. I don't think
that's accurate.

It certainly seems obvious that Adobe and I have different opinions of what
success is for ColdFusion. If Adobe thinks CF is successful in the
marketplace then that's great. Good for them. As CF continues to lose devs
they can continue to get a warm fuzzy that they've sold a few copies.

I'll continue to love the language and lament that Adobe ever bought it.

On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 8:08 PM, Matt Quackenbush
wrote:

>
> Of course it is (now) Adobe's responsibility to make its offerings 
> (CF, in this case) successful in the marketplace.  And CF **is** 
> extremely successful in the marketplace.  You and Adobe's idea of 
> marketplace just happen to be two different things.  But since their 
> business relies on their marketplace, their opinion is the only one 
> that matters.
>
> All of that said, you entirely missed Sean's point, which was, by the 
> way, accurate.  :-)
>
> On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 6:47 PM, Michael Grant wrote:
>
> >
> > It's not the responsibility of a company to make it's offerings
> successful
> > in the marketplace?
> > If the success of CF isn't Adobe's responsibility then who's is it?
> >
>
>
> 



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Re: (ot) Server Setup Opinions

[Kelly Matthews]

I'd go with option A. The one time I had SQL and CF on the same box it caused 
issues and was not efficient. 

>No problem. Were a Windows shop. So it will be Microsoft 2008 R2 for the OS
>and the DB. 
>
>Oops sorry for the dupe. 

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Re: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?

[Eric Cobb]

Here's another viewpoint to throw into the pile.

Just because MORE businesses aren't using ColdFusion, doesn't mean that 
businesses aren't using MORE ColdFusion.  The product can continue to 
grow without adding new customers.

At my last job, when I started working there we had 4 CF developers and 
3 CF 7 production servers. A little over a year later we had the same 4 
CF developers, but 15 CF 8 production servers.  Adobe got to sell 12 
more CF8 licenses, plus the 3 original upgrades, and there was not 1 new 
developer or new customer added to their list.   They got to see roughly 
5x the revenue from one customer, with no marketing or promotional 
expense (to us) on their end.

Not a bad deal for Adobe, eh?  I wish my customers would do that.  :)

Thanks,

Eric Cobb
ECAR Technologies, LLC
http://www.ecartech.com
http://www.cfgears.com


On 1/13/2011 8:27 PM, Michael Grant wrote:
>> You really believe they're not "grow[ing] the product" with all of those
>> advances and investment and effort??
>>
> I know for me the issue isn't that they aren't growing the product. The
> product just keeps getting better. It's that they aren't growing the user
> base enough.
>
>
> 

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RE: (ot) Server Setup Opinions

[Che Vilnonis]

No problem. Were a Windows shop. So it will be Microsoft 2008 R2 for the OS
and the DB. 

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Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 8:59 AM
To: cf-talk
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Oops sorry for the dupe.

>Windows or Linux?  What type of DB? MS SQL? mySQL?
>
>>www.asitv.com



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Re: (ot) Server Setup Opinions

[Kelly Matthews]

Oops sorry for the dupe.

>Windows or Linux?  What type of DB? MS SQL? mySQL?
>
>>www.asitv.com 

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Re: (ot) Server Setup Opinions

[Kelly Matthews]

Windows or Linux?  What type of DB? MS SQL? mySQL?

>I host approx. 5-6 dozen (small traffic) database driven CF sites on
>multiple servers and I am in the market for new server hardware. Since I
>last purchased hardware, the capabilities of server hardware has increased
>dramatically. That said, for those of you whose company hosts CF web sites,
>do you:
>
>A: Have a separate database server and a separate web server for 'X' number
>of sites?
>B: Have one server that is the combined database/web server for only 'X'
>number of sites? 
>C: Have one 'mega' server that is the combined database/web server for all
>of your sites?
>D: Some other combo. Please explain.
>
>I guess I'm wondering if it is still frowned upon to combine the database
>and the web server on the same machine? Any responses would be appreciated.
>
>Che Vilnonis
>Application Developer
>Advertising Systems Incorporated
>8470C Remington Avenue
>Pennsauken, NJ 08110
>p: 856.488.2211
>f: 856.488.1990
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re: (ot) Server Setup Opinions

[Jason Fisher]

It used to be very bad to have DB and CF on the same server, but I'm not 
sure that's still the case ... probably depends largely on the RDBMS you're 
using.  In any event, it is certainly best practice to have production 
boxes separate.  Running dozens of databases (or even 100) on a single DB 
server is no problem.  Running many sites on a single CF server is also no 
problem, assuming you give yourself proper sizing on disk space and RAM.



From: "Che Vilnonis" 
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 8:56 AM
To: "cf-talk" 
Subject: (ot) Server Setup Opinions

I host approx. 5-6 dozen (small traffic) database driven CF sites on
multiple servers and I am in the market for new server hardware. Since I
last purchased hardware, the capabilities of server hardware has increased
dramatically. That said, for those of you whose company hosts CF web 
sites,
do you:

A: Have a separate database server and a separate web server for 'X' 
number
of sites?
B: Have one server that is the combined database/web server for only 'X'
number of sites? 
C: Have one 'mega' server that is the combined database/web server for all
of your sites?
D: Some other combo. Please explain.

I guess I'm wondering if it is still frowned upon to combine the database
and the web server on the same machine? Any responses would be 
appreciated.

Che Vilnonis
Application Developer
Advertising Systems Incorporated
8470C Remington Avenue
Pennsauken, NJ 08110
p: 856.488.2211
f: 856.488.1990
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Re: (ot) Server Setup Opinions

[Kelly Matthews]

Windows or Linux?  What type of DB? MS SQL? mySQL?

>I host approx. 5-6 dozen (small traffic) database driven CF sites on
>multiple servers and I am in the market for new server hardware. Since I
>last purchased hardware, the capabilities of server hardware has increased
>dramatically. That said, for those of you whose company hosts CF web sites,
>do you:
>
>A: Have a separate database server and a separate web server for 'X' number
>of sites?
>B: Have one server that is the combined database/web server for only 'X'
>number of sites? 
>C: Have one 'mega' server that is the combined database/web server for all
>of your sites?
>D: Some other combo. Please explain.
>
>I guess I'm wondering if it is still frowned upon to combine the database
>and the web server on the same machine? Any responses would be appreciated.
>
>Che Vilnonis
>Application Developer
>Advertising Systems Incorporated
>8470C Remington Avenue
>Pennsauken, NJ 08110
>p: 856.488.2211
>f: 856.488.1990
>www.asitv.com 

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Re: (ot) Server Setup Opinions

[Kelly Matthews]

Windows or Linux?  What type of DB? MS SQL? mySQL?

>I host approx. 5-6 dozen (small traffic) database driven CF sites on
>multiple servers and I am in the market for new server hardware. Since I
>last purchased hardware, the capabilities of server hardware has increased
>dramatically. That said, for those of you whose company hosts CF web sites,
>do you:
>
>A: Have a separate database server and a separate web server for 'X' number
>of sites?
>B: Have one server that is the combined database/web server for only 'X'
>number of sites? 
>C: Have one 'mega' server that is the combined database/web server for all
>of your sites?
>D: Some other combo. Please explain.
>
>I guess I'm wondering if it is still frowned upon to combine the database
>and the web server on the same machine? Any responses would be appreciated.
>
>Che Vilnonis
>Application Developer
>Advertising Systems Incorporated
>8470C Remington Avenue
>Pennsauken, NJ 08110
>p: 856.488.2211
>f: 856.488.1990
>www.asitv.com 

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RE: (ot) Server Setup Opinions

[Duane Boudreau]

It depends on your database server you are using.

We use MS SQL Server and always go with option A, as our apps tend to be Stored 
Procedure driven. We push as much of our code as makes sense and is possible 
into the stored procedures and let the database handle the bulk of the work. 
Because of that 3/4 of the hardware budget is usually spent on the hardware for 
the database.

I'm sure others will have different opinions, but this is what has worked for 
me.

Duane

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Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 9:55 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: (ot) Server Setup Opinions


I host approx. 5-6 dozen (small traffic) database driven CF sites on multiple 
servers and I am in the market for new server hardware. Since I last purchased 
hardware, the capabilities of server hardware has increased dramatically. That 
said, for those of you whose company hosts CF web sites, do you:

A: Have a separate database server and a separate web server for 'X' number of 
sites?
B: Have one server that is the combined database/web server for only 'X'
number of sites? 
C: Have one 'mega' server that is the combined database/web server for all of 
your sites?
D: Some other combo. Please explain.

I guess I'm wondering if it is still frowned upon to combine the database and 
the web server on the same machine? Any responses would be appreciated.

Che Vilnonis
Application Developer
Advertising Systems Incorporated
8470C Remington Avenue
Pennsauken, NJ 08110
p: 856.488.2211
f: 856.488.1990
www.asitv.com 





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(ot) Server Setup Opinions

[Che Vilnonis]

I host approx. 5-6 dozen (small traffic) database driven CF sites on
multiple servers and I am in the market for new server hardware. Since I
last purchased hardware, the capabilities of server hardware has increased
dramatically. That said, for those of you whose company hosts CF web sites,
do you:

A: Have a separate database server and a separate web server for 'X' number
of sites?
B: Have one server that is the combined database/web server for only 'X'
number of sites? 
C: Have one 'mega' server that is the combined database/web server for all
of your sites?
D: Some other combo. Please explain.

I guess I'm wondering if it is still frowned upon to combine the database
and the web server on the same machine? Any responses would be appreciated.

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Re: help w/ DateDiff() please

[Michael Grant]

Wonderful. And just in time for the weekend.



On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 8:33 AM, Jay Birdsell wrote:

>
> > Here's what Google tells me regarding days between "now()" and a
> > database
> > column value.
> >
> > select extract(day from (sysdate - dte_2dlcl))
> >
> > I have no idea if that's correct and can't test. I think it's a step
> > in the
> > right direction.
> >
> > Here's the reference:
> > http://stackoverflow.
> com/questions/1>
> 646001/how-can-i-get-the-number-of-days-between-2-dates-in-oracle-11g
> >
> Michael,
>  select extract(day from (sysdate - dte_2dlcl)) if run in sql plus or toad
> but not from with 
>
> However, this works:
>
> ORACLE:
>
> 
>select corr_id, CAST(dte_2dlcl - #today#  as integer) as draft,
> CAST( dte_final - #today# as integer) as final
>from EXECCORESP000
>
>
>
> The result:  draft = 0,  final = 3 which is correct as dte_2dlcl= 1/14/11
> and dte_final = 1/17/11
>
> CF
>
>  
>select c.*
>from EXECCORESP000 c
>
>   
> 
> 
>
> This also provides the correct value.
>
> Thanks for you input.
>
> JB
>
> 

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Re: help w/ DateDiff() please

[Jay Birdsell]

> Here's what Google tells me regarding days between "now()" and a 
> database
> column value.
> 
> select extract(day from (sysdate - dte_2dlcl))
> 
> I have no idea if that's correct and can't test. I think it's a step 
> in the
> right direction.
> 
> Here's the reference:
> http://stackoverflow.
com/questions/1> 
646001/how-can-i-get-the-number-of-days-between-2-dates-in-oracle-11g
> 
Michael,
 select extract(day from (sysdate - dte_2dlcl)) if run in sql plus or toad but 
not from with 

However, this works:

ORACLE: 


select corr_id, CAST(dte_2dlcl - #today#  as integer) as draft, 
CAST( dte_final - #today# as integer) as final
from EXECCORESP000 
 


The result:  draft = 0,  final = 3 which is correct as dte_2dlcl= 1/14/11 and 
dte_final = 1/17/11

CF

 
select c.*
from EXECCORESP000 c  

   



This also provides the correct value.

Thanks for you input.

JB 

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Re: help w/ DateDiff() please

[Michael Grant]

Here's what Google tells me regarding days between "now()" and a database
column value.

select extract(day from (sysdate - dte_2dlcl))

I have no idea if that's correct and can't test. I think it's a step in the
right direction.

Here's the reference:
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1646001/how-can-i-get-the-number-of-days-between-2-dates-in-oracle-11g

On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 8:15 AM, Michael Grant  wrote:

> Wait. I don't think Oracle 11g even has a dateDiff function. Does it?
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 7:53 AM, Jay Birdsell 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> >I suspect dte_2dlcl is the name of a date/time column in his database.
>> >Though it shouldn't be surrounded in single quotes if that's the case.
>> >
>> >On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 3:23 PM, Russ Michaels 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>>
>> Thank you everyone for your input.   I'm using an oracle 11g db, dte_2dlcl
>> is a date field in the table I am working with. I need to determine the
>> interval between two dates and need to display any records with a date
>> interval in the range of  0 - 8,
>>
>> I have tried both database dateDiff() and the CF version. obviously, i am
>> getting confused with what should be surrounded by quotes. I'll try the
>> suggestions you all have posted and get back to you.
>>
>> thanks again.
>>
>> 

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Re: help w/ DateDiff() please

[Michael Grant]

Wait. I don't think Oracle 11g even has a dateDiff function. Does it?



On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 7:53 AM, Jay Birdsell wrote:

>
> >I suspect dte_2dlcl is the name of a date/time column in his database.
> >Though it shouldn't be surrounded in single quotes if that's the case.
> >
> >On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 3:23 PM, Russ Michaels 
> wrote:
> >
> >>
>
> Thank you everyone for your input.   I'm using an oracle 11g db, dte_2dlcl
> is a date field in the table I am working with. I need to determine the
> interval between two dates and need to display any records with a date
> interval in the range of  0 - 8,
>
> I have tried both database dateDiff() and the CF version. obviously, i am
> getting confused with what should be surrounded by quotes. I'll try the
> suggestions you all have posted and get back to you.
>
> thanks again.
>
> 

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Re: help w/ DateDiff() please

[Jay Birdsell]

>I suspect dte_2dlcl is the name of a date/time column in his database.
>Though it shouldn't be surrounded in single quotes if that's the case.
>
>On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 3:23 PM, Russ Michaels  wrote:
>
>>

Thank you everyone for your input.   I'm using an oracle 11g db, dte_2dlcl is a 
date field in the table I am working with. I need to determine the interval 
between two dates and need to display any records with a date interval in the 
range of  0 - 8,

I have tried both database dateDiff() and the CF version. obviously, i am 
getting confused with what should be surrounded by quotes. I'll try the 
suggestions you all have posted and get back to you.

thanks again. 

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Re: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?

[John M Bliss]

> Where is this CF Roadmap anyway

Page 6 of
http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/pdfs/cf_evangelist_kit.pdf


On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 6:20 AM, Russ Michaels  wrote:

>
> Indeed, it winds me up when people come out with such nonsense that CF is
> dying and Adobe are junking it, when clearly it is not true and there is no
> evidence to even hint at that.
> I also suspect we have Railo to thank for a lot of the effort being put
> into
> CF recently, being as it has upset certain people so much :-)
>
> Where is this CF Roadmap anyway, I didn't think there was one, if there is
> then I should add it to my Railo or ColdFusion comparison matrix on
> cfmldeveloper
>
>
> Regards
> --
> Russ Michaels
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>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com]
> Sent: 14 January 2011 04:00
> To: cf-talk
> Subject: Re: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?
>
>
> > > This bodes well in that as long as it is profitable they won't kill
> > > it entirely, but it's certainly no way to grow the product.
> >
> > Oh come on! After the huge list of enhancements added in both ACF8 and
> > ACF9? And creating a dedicated IDE for CFML development? And a roadmap
> > containing updated versions of both ACF ("X") and CFBuilder (plans for
> > 2.0 and 3.0)? You really believe they're not "grow[ing] the product"
> > with all of those advances and investment and effort??
>
> Yeah, I don't really get this either. Adobe's clearly pouring tons of
> effort
> into improving the product, even cannibalizing features from other
> products.
> But if there's one thing that's always been true of the CF user base, it's
> always had its fair share of vocal critics of how CF is being managed,
> marketed, etc. I've been working with CF since version 1, and this has
> always been the way things are.
>
> Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
> http://www.figleaf.com/
> http://training.figleaf.com/
>
> Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule,
> and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our
> training centers, online, or onsite.
>
>
>
> 

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Re: help w/ DateDiff() please

[Jay Birdsell]

>Wait, I'm confused, are you trying to use the CF dateDiff() function, or 
>a database's dateDiff() function?  

Actually Eric , I tried both. I'll try the quotes around TODAY see what that 
yields. 

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RE: drag and drop widgets

[Russ Michaels]

CF used to use Adobe's own Spry framework, and they still do for code
generated in Dreamweaver. 

-Original Message-
From: Andrew Scott [mailto:andr...@andyscott.id.au] 
Sent: 14 January 2011 00:41
To: cf-talk
Subject: RE: drag and drop widgets


Actually I disagree.

1) ExtJS is the best framework for doing RIA out there at the moment.
2) jQuery and ExtJS Core are on par for DOM manipulation, and it comes down
to personal taste in the syntax.
3) ColdFusion has always used ExtJS for its UI stuff.

When comparing jQuery and ExtJS Core (The very cut down, and free version to
its bigger sister), there really is nothing to compare they both do the same
job with the same outcome. 

Regards,
Andrew Scott
http://www.andyscott.id.au/


> -Original Message-
> From: Russ Michaels [mailto:r...@michaels.me.uk]
> Sent: Friday, 14 January 2011 11:28 AM
> To: cf-talk
> Subject: Re: drag and drop widgets
> 
> 
> jQuery is the best overall js library for RIA I reckon, but not much 
> in
the way
> of drag'n'drop widgets. I believe extjs is what CF now uses for its 
> built
in
> widgets.
> 




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RE: drag and drop widgets

[Russ Michaels]

I know it has a library to do it, but I mean it doesn't have much in the way
of ready made widgets. ExtJS has a lot of these.

-Original Message-
From: Josh Nathanson [mailto:joshnathan...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 14 January 2011 00:57
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: drag and drop widgets


> jQuery is the best overall js library for RIA I reckon, but not much 
> inthe
way
> of drag'n'drop widgets.

jQuery UI is a separate library that deals with the draggy and droppy type
stuff.  The first couple iterations were a little rough but it is much
improved now.  The syntax is very similar to jQuery syntax and easy to use.

http://jqueryui.com

-- Josh




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RE: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?

[Russ Michaels]

Indeed, it winds me up when people come out with such nonsense that CF is
dying and Adobe are junking it, when clearly it is not true and there is no
evidence to even hint at that.
I also suspect we have Railo to thank for a lot of the effort being put into
CF recently, being as it has upset certain people so much :-)

Where is this CF Roadmap anyway, I didn't think there was one, if there is
then I should add it to my Railo or ColdFusion comparison matrix on
cfmldeveloper


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--
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-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com] 
Sent: 14 January 2011 04:00
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?


> > This bodes well in that as long as it is profitable they won't kill 
> > it entirely, but it's certainly no way to grow the product.
>
> Oh come on! After the huge list of enhancements added in both ACF8 and 
> ACF9? And creating a dedicated IDE for CFML development? And a roadmap 
> containing updated versions of both ACF ("X") and CFBuilder (plans for
> 2.0 and 3.0)? You really believe they're not "grow[ing] the product"
> with all of those advances and investment and effort??

Yeah, I don't really get this either. Adobe's clearly pouring tons of effort
into improving the product, even cannibalizing features from other products.
But if there's one thing that's always been true of the CF user base, it's
always had its fair share of vocal critics of how CF is being managed,
marketed, etc. I've been working with CF since version 1, and this has
always been the way things are.

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/
http://training.figleaf.com/

Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule,
and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our
training centers, online, or onsite.



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Re: Open source - No Mortgage

[Dominic Watson]

And even when not making money, others do it alongside their day jobs (that
may not give them enough variation) to develop their skills and enhance
their CV.

On 14 January 2011 03:50, Dave Watts  wrote:

>
> > I suppose that it is possible to make some money around the "edges" of
> > these technologies, but, I have this vision of an army of "geeks"
> > working on these open source projects while they live in the garage of
> > their parents house ...
>
> Maybe, if their parents happen to be IBM and Google.
>
> Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
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> http://training.figleaf.com/
>
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> GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized
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>
> 

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Re: CF9 Standard vs Enterprise Performance

[Russ Michaels]

enterprise allows more threads for certain tasks, and also has better cfmail
performance and can handle higher loads, server monitoring is a bonus too.

On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 6:53 AM, Matt Quackenbush wrote:

>
> Assuming you are only going to run a single instance, I would not expect to
> see a performance difference between Standard and Enterprise.  Of course,
> if
> you need multiple instances (on the same server), then Enterprise is a
> requirement.  So, basically speaking, unless you need some of the
> Enterprise-only features, then Standard will suit your needs.
>
>
> 

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