Re: "The long tail of ColdFusion fail"

[Ben Forta]

Sure, the installer could make things simpler, and maybe should. But, that's a 
double edged sword, make things easier and admins will be even less likely to 
learn and manage what they really need to. At the end of the day, whether it is 
Windows or Apache or your mail server or CF or Java or Oracle or anything else, 
if you think you can run install and click Next a few times and then ignore a 
public facing server, you are asking for trouble, and have no one to blame but 
yourself when it happens.

--- Ben

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> On Mar 26, 2014, at 10:54 AM, Claude Schnéegans  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>>> It's up to you to understand how web servers and web applications work, and 
>>> set it up
> 
> My point is that I'm pretty sure everything I've done by hand to move 
> CFIDE/administrator and declare a virtual directory to some special web site 
> could be done by the installer.
> 
> 
> 

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Re: "The long tail of ColdFusion fail"

[Ben Forta]

Dave is spot on. If ColdFusion were a complete self contained black box then 
the suggestion would be valid, but as it relies on an underlying OS, an HTTP 
server, DBMSs and more, it is the admin's job to manage and understand all of 
those (and more). The fact that CF deployment and development is easily 
achieved by less experienced individuals does not mean that less experienced 
admins should be trusted to keep the server secure.

--- Ben

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> On Mar 26, 2014, at 10:17 AM, Dave Watts  wrote:
> 
> 
>> What I mean is that Adobe recommands that CFIDE should be moved to a safer 
>> place, but, after several
>> versions, CFIDE is still installed the same way.
> 
> Of course it is. If It were somewhere else, you wouldn't be able to
> administer CF after an out-of-the-box install. It's up to you to
> understand how web servers and web applications work, and set it up
> properly after it's installed.
> 
> Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
> 1-202-527-9569
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> 
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> 
> 

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RE: SQL Global String Replace

[Ben Forta]

Actually, that's the kind of operation that you'd not want to perform in CF
(or PHP or any other database client). Unless you truly need all that data
within a CF page for some other reason, you shouldn't be sending it all
back and forth between DBMS and CF.

--- Ben

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On Mar 4, 2014 6:08 AM, "Robert Harrison" 
wrote:

>
> Yes, I do mean like that, but I was really hoping someone had it already
> written up in CF with a tested procedure they would be willing to share.
>
> I was able to find several downloads for PHP, but nothing for CF.
>
> Thanks
>
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Re: CF 10 on Mavericks AND Adobe download links not working

[Ben Forta]

Ok, I'll bite ...

I am running Windows 8.1 on my primary laptop, and now an app that I need
no longer runs. Actually, I've been running Windows 8.x for about a year
now, and a few apps that I need (including one really critical one) still
don't run. But that's a choice I made, I could have stayed on Windows 7
(which is what Adobe actually recommended, for just this reason), but I
wanted the newer OS and so I get to do without some of the apps I had
before.

I also updated my iPad to iOS7, and there is at least one app that used to
work and now does not. Again, my OS update decision, my app consequences.

There's a pattern here folks. If you update an OS that it is YOUR job to
make sure that the apps you need will work. You are free to ask for app
updates to support newer OSs, you can even make the case that those updates
are critical, but if you updated your OS without checking, well, you can't
really get mad at the software vendor for not doing something that they
never claimed they would do.

Bottom line: The CF team is working on ColdFusion 11 and 12. Going back to
make changes to CF10 to support an OS that was released post CF10 is a
business decision that they will have to make, one that will undoubtedly
have resources and schedule implications on those CF11 and CF12 plans. If
they decide that doing so is worthwhile then they will, and if not then not.

--- Ben


On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 11:42 AM, Scott Brady  wrote:

>
> We were getting a fairly generic "Error processing your request" with a
> number of links to the home page and to contact Adobe.  It's still
> happening (after a restart).  Someone else was able to get me the file, so
> now just to try to get it up and running again. Isn't Adobe in Apple's
> developer program and, thus, had access to the Mavericks builds so they
> could have had a fix out by now (rather than the community having to
> provide a mod_jk.so file)?
>
> (MAMP uses an older version of Apache, I believe, which is why that works.)
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 9:20 AM, Bruce Sorge  wrote:
>
> >
> > I did the mavericks fix for cf this morning and a reinstall and I am
> > working fine using apache and cf10. I already had the dmg for cf so I
> never
> > messed towing it.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone 4S.
> >
> > > On Oct 28, 2013, at 10:15 AM, Raymond Camden 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > I just tried and it worked for me - the download I mean. What problem
> did
> > > you have with the link?
> > >
> > > As for Mavericks - I updated yesterday and CF is running fine for me.
> > Note
> > > though that I do not use the OSX Apache but rather MAMP.
> > >
> > >
> > >> On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 9:10 AM, Scott Brady 
> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> I upgraded my Mac to Mavericks over the weekend and I had CF 10
> working
> > >> yesterday, by using the modified mod_jk.so that someone posted on the
> > net
> > >> (since there isn't a fix from Adobe yet).
> > >>
> > >> This morning, it stopped working after trying a CF restart, so I went
> > >> through the process again and still couldn't get it working.  So, I
> > figured
> > >> i'd try re-installing CF10.  Unfortunately, it looks like both the
> > download
> > >> links on Adobe's site for ColdFusion 10 aren't working (nor is the
> > "Report
> > >> a bug" link on their site), but other download links are working. (One
> > >> other developer can get to the download page, but another one can't --
> > we
> > >> thought maybe it was a VPN issue, but if I disconnect from the VPN, I
> > still
> > >> can't get to the download link).
> > >>
> > >> Since I can't report the problem and Ray is on this list, I'm hoping
> he
> > can
> > >> at least notify the web site team.
> > >>
> > >> Here's the download link I'm trying:
> > >> http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/tdrc/index.cfm?product=coldfusion
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> -
> > >> Scott Brady
> > >> http://www.scottbrady.net/
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
> 

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RE: Adobe no longer supports ColdFusion??? Really?

[Ben Forta]

Two things ...

1: It's not just CF. I am hearing from ASP and ASP.NET users who are also
wanting to know why DW won't open their files and where their server
behaviors have gone. I'm trying to get details from the DW team.

2: I have to disagree with the assertion that CF Builder missing from CC
downloads means anything ominous. ColdFusion is not a CC service, so it
makes no sense to include CF Builder. Now, if you want to discuss the pros
and cons of including CF as a CC service, that'll be a great discussion to
have. But CF Builder without CF itself is kinda useless.

--- Ben


-Original Message-
From: Patti, Michael [mailto:mpa...@sherwood-group.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 2:07 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: RE: Adobe no longer supports ColdFusion??? Really?


There is a conspicuous absence of CFBuilder amongst the applications that
are available for download through the Creative Cloud application manager.

Seems absurd that we'd have to pay extra for just this one product, when
almost every other tool Adobe makes is offered with the subscription.

FlashBuilder Premium is included, but not CFBuilder. Seriously?  Talk about
putting us between a rock and a hard place.

-Michael

-Original Message-
From: John M Bliss [mailto:bliss.j...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 12:58 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Adobe no longer supports ColdFusion??? Really?


FWIW, they still sell a CF-enabled IDE:
http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion-builder.html

And you can, of course, still use DW for HTML/CSS/JS/etc.


On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 1:46 PM, Gerald Guido wrote:

>
> Apparently that is the case.
>
> https://twitter.com/AlexHubner/status/342704099806023682
>
> G!
>
> On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 1:07 PM, Mike K  wrote:
>
> >
> > Have I missed something here?   I upgraded my Dreamweaver CS6 to
> > Dreamweaver CC and  ColdFusion is no longer supported apparently.
> >
> > There are no CFM file types,  no tag hinting or code completion etc 
> > for ColdFusion, apparently.
> >
> > Unless I've missed something somewhere and I have to change a 
> > setting or install an extension or something.
> >
> > Has anyone else found a fix for this?   Or have I got it wrong?
> >
> > --
> > Cheers
> > Mike Kear
> > Windsor, NSW, Australia
> > Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks 
> > http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion 9 Enterprise, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET 
> > hosting from AUD$15/month
> >
> >
> >
>
> 





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RE: Source control in CF

[Ben Forta]

This thread has gotten out of hand. So, Michael, if I may summarize ...

1: SVN, Git, ..., any option is better than no option, and you should
research them all to figure out what works best for you. There is no one
size fits all.

2: More importantly, development on a shared server is a big fat no-no.
Heck, the reason we made CF Developer Edition free so many years ago was to
eliminate cost as a factor in doing just that.

Now ignore all of the other messages in this thread. ;-)

--- Ben


-Original Message-
From: Adam Cameron [mailto:adamcameroncoldfus...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 11:24 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Source control in CF


To the OP: I'm really sorry to have accidentally turned this thread into one
of those "my toy is better than your toy" kind of discussions. That's
probably not what you were wanting :-(

--
Adam

On 30 January 2013 09:42, Adam Cameron
wrote:

> Before you go too far down the SVN route, what you're kinda suggesting 
> is akin to saying "we've finally decided to upgrade from Windows 3.1, 
> so we're upgrading to WindowsXP". SVN is great software, but it's not 
> really "where it's at" any more.
>
> You really ought to be looking at Git: either your own instance of it 
> running (and managed by by you), or perhaps better for your situation, 
> outsourcing the management of it to Github.
>
> Having a shared dev server is a bit of an old-school approach to 
> things, you really ought to look at getting the developers developing 
> on their own machines.
>
> --
> Adam
>
>
> On 29 January 2013 23:11, Michael Christensen  wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi all!
>>
>> At my company we're once again talking about setting up source 
>> control for our CF.
>>
>> I've been googling and reading for quite a while now and so far I've 
>> gathered, that we first of all need a SVN server of some sort on a 
>> central server, so that the entire team can access it.
>> I've looked at VisualSVN Server and managed to install it and even 
>> add a repository.
>>
>> But now I am getting into problems, which I am hoping someone here 
>> might be able to help me solve;
>>
>> Problem 1: We naturally already have a whole bunch of code that we'd 
>> like to put into our repository - but I can't figure out how to do that.
>> Is this where I need something like TortoiseSVN? And if so, how do I 
>> structure my repository?
>>
>> Problem 2: We don't use a setup where each developer runs a local 
>> copy of the code, instead we all run the code on a single develoment 
>> server, accessing the code-files via a webpath 
>> (\\server\project\file.cfm) So instead of checking the file out to a 
>> local copy, I'd like to use a "exclusive-lock-in-place" sort of thing -
is this possible?
>>
>> Problem 3: I am trying to use the Subclipse plugin, but I simply 
>> can't figure it out.
>> Does anyone know of a "how to use Subclipse for dummies" tutorial?
>>
>> Problem 4: Is it possible to auto-lock/check out files in Eclipse as 
>> soon as they are opened by a developer? (versus manually selecting to 
>> lock the opens a file? Or how does one go about ensuring that no two 
>> developers can change a file at the same time (referring to problem 2)?
>>
>> As you can tell, I'm at a bit of a loss at the moment, so any and all 
>> feedback is appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks a bunch!
>>
>> 



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RE: Does CF10 support 64-bit COM Objects?

[Ben Forta]

Wil,

Honestly, I would not assume that you could easily just switch from a 32bit
COM object to an equivalent 64bit COM object (if it were even to exist) and
expect all to work as is. My gut feel is that if you really need to support
legacy 32bit COM objects then you are better off installing a 32bit instance
of ColdFusion. 

--- Ben



-Original Message-
From: Wil Genovese [mailto:jugg...@trunkful.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 12:50 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Does CF10 support 64-bit COM Objects?


I agree Dave, 

Sometimes we are stuck supporting legacy code while upgrading platforms
(newer servers and newer CF versions). I had to do this for one client. I
finally convinced them to switch from the COM version of PDFLib to the new
Java version that was available. At least in this case the there was an
alternative. So yes, I agree that using an alternative to COM is a good
thing, however there may be legacy cases that we are forced to support.
Adobe "should" work on integrating the 64 BIT jIntegra
http://j-integra.intrinsyc.com/ .  

Regards,
Wil

 
Wil Genovese
Sr. Web Application Developer/
Systems Administrator
CF Webtools
www.cfwebtools.com

wilg...@trunkful.com
www.trunkful.com

On Jan 24, 2013, at 11:37 AM, Dave Watts  wrote:

> 
>> Jiminy Christmas, we live in a 64 bit world now, come-on Adobe!
> 
> We also live in a .NET world. I'm not sure how many Adobe customers 
> use COM any more. I would not recommend the use of COM from CF, based 
> on its history of poor performance as a COM client.
> 
> Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
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> http://training.figleaf.com/
> 
> Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA 
> Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized 
> instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite.
> 
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RE: CFZIP file protection

[Ben Forta]

It's not a matter of "sense". ColdFusion uses the java.util.zip APIs which
does not support ZIP password protection. You'll have to use third party
options.

--- Ben


-Original Message-
From: Robert Harrison [mailto:rob...@austin-williams.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 4:23 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: RE: CFZIP file protection


It seems like if they'd allow you to password protect a PDF file they'd have
the sense to allow you to protect a zip file.


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-Original Message-
From: Russ Michaels [mailto:r...@michaels.me.uk]
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 4:09 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: CFZIP file protection


if cfzip doesn't have that option then you could just use cfexecute to do it
instead


On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 8:52 PM, Robert Harrison
wrote:

>
> Need to create a password protected zip file using CFZip. Not seeing 
> how to do this in the documentation. The file contains confidential 
> bank documents so it need to be protected.
>
> Anyone know how protect a CFZip file?
>
> Thanks
>
> Robert Harrison
> Director of Interactive Services
>
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RE: Problem with CFX_Zip and page loading

[Ben Forta]

I'd not make them wait. If you have a long running process like this, fire
off an asynchronous request and have it run out of process, tell the user
you'll notify them when it's done, and then have that process send them a
notification (perhaps email) with any follow-up.

--- Ben




-Original Message-
From: Ethan Webb [mailto:eweb...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 10:57 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Problem with CFX_Zip and page loading


I'm currently trying to diagnose a problem for a client and I'm running
across the following issue. 

Client creates a large report then exports it to CSV. The CSV file is
created and then the CFX_Zip tag comes in and zips it up. 

When the user clicks to export the report to CSV a popup comes up that says
'Please wait this will take a few minutes...' once the file is zipped the
page should then advance to another page where the user can download the
zipped file.

This works for small reports just fine however the code after the CFX_Zip
tag isn't being called if its a large report. Any ideas why, or how I can
ensure the user can advance to the next page after the file is zipped?

Here is code of how its set up:



 

 


 



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RE: Alternative to CFOBJECT

[Ben Forta]

Bruce,

One word (well, ok, two words) - "dump them". Use a host that will give you
full control over your own instance or virtual machine.

--- Ben


-Original Message-
From: Bruce Sorge [mailto:sor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 3:21 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Alternative to CFOBJECT


This is everything that they disabled:

On the shared ColdFusion servers you will have access to all tags and
functions except for the following:

CF Tags:
CFCOLLECTION
CFCONTENT
CFDUMP
CFEXECUTE
CFLOG
CFOBJECT
CFOBJECTCACHE
CFREGISTRY


CF Functions:
SetProfileString
CreateObject(COM)
CreateObject(CORBA)
CreateObject(JAVA)
On Aug 30, 2012, at 1:09 PM, Scott Stroz  wrote:

> 
> Have they disabled createObject() (they probably have, though)
> 
> On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 3:04 PM, Bruce Sorge  wrote:
>> 
>> So I discovered today that the hosting company that I am using has
disabled CFOBJECT, which sucks because the PayPal API that I am using uses
the CFOBJECT tag. Is there an alternative to this?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Bruce
>> 
>> 
> 
> 



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RE: cfmailparam

[Ben Forta]

Short answer: It's not going to work reliably.

Longer answer: You can request notification, but there is no guarantee that
servers or clients will provide it. You may have more luck determining that
the message was delivered to a specific mailbox on the server depending on
the server used, but determining that the user actually got it and read it
is close to impossible to do reliably. There are tricks and workarounds,
like embedding web bugs, but even these are blocked by many clients
(including Outlook) and are generally considered to be poor e-behavior.

Bottom line, not doable using SMTP mail.




-Original Message-
From: Robert Harrison [mailto:rob...@austin-williams.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 1:29 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: cfmailparam


I just found out (with no help from the Adobe documentation) that you can
get an email generated via CF mail to return a read receipt by adding the
following to the mail content. 

 This is the Message Disposition Notification  -
the command that requests the user to confirm they have read the mail.  

What I really want to do is confirm that the mail has been delivered. 

That should be something like:


or   or


Does anyone know what the correct attribute is for Delivery Status
Notifications?   I can't find that documented anywhere. 

Thanks

Robert Harrison
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RE: cfcalendar does not work in chrome

[Ben Forta]

Honestly, I'd advise against using the CF UI widgets and control
abstractions, including . They might have made sense way back
when, but there are now far better ways to do this using JavaScript
libraries and frameworks. Do a quick search for "jQuery calendar" and you'll
find lots of options (including pop-up and full sized and more).

--- Ben



-Original Message-
From: fun and learning [mailto:funandlrnn...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 8:56 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: cfcalendar does not work in chrome


Hi All -

I am using cf 9 version and cfcalendar. This does not seem to be working
only on chrome. The date value is not getting passed to the next page. I get
the following error in chrome console

Uncaught ReferenceError: updateHiddenValue is not defined 

And in network tab of chrome, the following returns 304 not modified
cfform.swc.cfswf

Does anybody have an idea why this could be happening?

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RE: Adobe drops Flsh for mobile devices

[Ben Forta]

http://forta.com/blog/index.cfm/2011/11/9/Some-Thoughts-On-Flash-And-Devices


-Original Message-
From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:br...@electricedgesystems.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 7:07 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: RE: Adobe drops Flsh for mobile devices


I know Benit is truly amazing how much the media is assumed to be
correct ;-)

Mulder had it right - trust no one (except yourself that is)

Cheers


On Wed, 2011-11-09 at 14:46 -0500, Ben Forta wrote:

> And thank you for making that distinction, Bryan. It's amazing how the 
> masses have chosen to ignore that little fact. We're backing away from 
> Flash in-browser, but we're still hard at work on Flash for apps.
> 
> --- Ben
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:br...@electricedgesystems.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 2:29 PM
> To: cf-talk
> Subject: RE: Adobe drops Flsh for mobile devices
> 
> 
> Keep in mind Adobe AIR is still a perfectly valid option for Andriod, 
> Blackberry, and iOS
> 
> On Wed, 2011-11-09 at 14:07 -0500, Rick Faircloth wrote:
> 
> > I've always disliked Flash... just too much work for too little 
> > return. And I made a living for awhile working on similar timelines 
> > in Adobe Premiere.
> > 
> > Goodbye, Flash! :o)
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Irvin Gomez [mailto:ir...@pixel69.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 12:14 PM
> > To: cf-talk
> > Subject: Adobe drops Flsh for mobile devices
> > 
> > 
> > http://www.google.com/search?q=adobe+flash&num=20&hl=en&newwindow=1&;
> > sa
> > fe=off
> > &gbv=2&tbm=nws&source=lnt&tbs=qdr:w&sa=X&ei=V7O6TomxEeb30gH3w_XdCQ&v
> > ed
> > =0CA0Q
> > pwUoAw&biw=1920&bih=1075
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> 



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RE: Adobe drops Flsh for mobile devices

[Ben Forta]

And thank you for making that distinction, Bryan. It's amazing how the
masses have chosen to ignore that little fact. We're backing away from Flash
in-browser, but we're still hard at work on Flash for apps.

--- Ben


-Original Message-
From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:br...@electricedgesystems.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 2:29 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: RE: Adobe drops Flsh for mobile devices


Keep in mind Adobe AIR is still a perfectly valid option for Andriod,
Blackberry, and iOS

On Wed, 2011-11-09 at 14:07 -0500, Rick Faircloth wrote:

> I've always disliked Flash... just too much work for too little 
> return. And I made a living for awhile working on similar timelines in 
> Adobe Premiere.
> 
> Goodbye, Flash! :o)
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Irvin Gomez [mailto:ir...@pixel69.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 12:14 PM
> To: cf-talk
> Subject: Adobe drops Flsh for mobile devices
> 
> 
> http://www.google.com/search?q=adobe+flash&num=20&hl=en&newwindow=1&sa
> fe=off 
> &gbv=2&tbm=nws&source=lnt&tbs=qdr:w&sa=X&ei=V7O6TomxEeb30gH3w_XdCQ&ved
> =0CA0Q
> pwUoAw&biw=1920&bih=1075
> 
> 
> 
> 



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RE: CF vs. Java Web Developer

[Ben Forta]

CF=automatic, Java=stick-shift

You can start with one and then learn the other, but stick-shift drivers can
learn to drive automatic far easier than the reverse. When done, both
benefit from the added expertise, the stick-shift driver can benefit from
automatic simplicity (and be more productive thanks to a free hand), and the
automatic driver will benefit from the greater control afforded by
stick-shift.

--- Ben



-Original Message-
From: Sean Corfield [mailto:seancorfi...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 6:25 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: CF vs. Java Web Developer


On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 10:18 AM, scott bloodworth
 wrote:
> One can easily learn the other environment fairly easy, is this true?

As others have indicated, learning Java is much harder than learning CFML.

> is there a benefit in looking for one or the other in employment?

I don't think anyone will disagree that there are a lot more Java jobs out
there than CFML jobs.

You probably need to provide a bit more background about yourself, your
skills, your expectations etc before folks can really give you more specific
advice.
--
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RE: email from variable?

[Ben Forta]

Web browsers don't just tell the server the user email address because a
form was filled in. You need to ask for it in your form (or have a login
page before it and know who the logged in user is and have that information
perhaps in a profile).

--- Ben


-Original Message-
From: Orlini, Robert [mailto:rorl...@hwwilson.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 2:16 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: email from variable?


Hello,

How can I get the email address of a user who submitted a form so I can send
them a reply receipt? I looked over any cgi variables and of course could
not find one. I want to use it in a cfmail script.

Thanks.

RO
HWW




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RE: So to flog the preverbial undead horse

[Ben Forta]

This is not a CF issue as much as it is a don't be a "one trick pony" issue.
Regardless of the language or product or technology you focus on, you
absolutely need to also branch out and broaden your skills. And this is not
a new issue, back in the 90's I wrote about how the best ColdFusion
developers also had skills in other languages and technologies, and that
broadening your repertoire would actually help you write better CF, too.
Ideally you'd do this with related technologies, so that what you learn and
use adds value to your current job and projects while also setting you up
for future success, be it server-side Java (which is invaluable in CF
project but which also has value outside of CF) or mastering client
libraries like jQuery (again, useful with CF but also useful independent of
CF), and so on. Bottom line, be it CF or ASP or PHP or anything else, your
long time value in this industry requires that you keep adding to your
skillset - if you are not broadening your skillset then you're gradually
fading into obscurity.

--- Ben


-Original Message-
From: Integration Developer [mailto:tyrsbl...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 11:05 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: So to flog the preverbial undead horse


I've been a CF developer for over 8 years. in that time I've seen I don't
know how many threads on how CF is a dying language. In my experience
however it seems to have a consistent level of demand. Recruiters have told
me that in the future I should move out the CF field and more into C#/ASP
realm. I'm very happy in my current position and I am compensated quite
well. But as someone who is 36 and with 2 children there is some concern
about future career. So my question to all of you is easy: can you convince
me that CF will continue to pay my bills, clothe my children and put bacon
in the beans? If not, suggest some alternative pathways (honestly with a
CIS/Business minor degree I've thought about IT management.). 

Cheers 



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RE: How secure is RDS

[Ben Forta]

Short answer, how secure RDS is or isn't is really not the issue. What is
more important is that security fundamentals demand that you don't run
anything not completely necessary on production boxes. Your HTTP server is
necessary, remote access services (be it RDS or FTP or ...) are generally
not necessary and therefore should not be running. Now on a development box,
sure, go ahead, but on production boxes, nope, don't.

--- Ben



-Original Message-
From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:br...@electricedgesystems.com] 
Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2011 2:07 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: How secure is RDS


let's try that again... ;-)

Hi All,

Way back in the day I was told RDS was horribly insecure and I wrote it off
and never looked back.

Well now I'm into Flex and it uses RDS in order to use CF data services (or
I can use webservices).

So how safe is having RDS enabled?  Any good tutorials on setting it up
right?

I have done some searching, but there is a lot of noise given the long life
of CF and the huge volume of old articles talking about RDS being insecure
;-)

TIA

Cheers
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RE: CFImage at 300dpi

[Ben Forta]

Why not create a PDF form formatted exactly as you need, and then use CF to
populate the form fields? Seems like you'd get more control that way.

--- Ben


-Original Message-
From: Terry Troxel [mailto:terry.tro...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 12:26 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: RE: CFImage at 300dpi


You are exactly right Rick. Here is my problem:
I am writing an online application for a local print shop that does RxPads
for Doctors sold by Pharmaceutical Reps.
A Pharmaceutical rep will be able to logon to create an Rxpad for his Doctor
Client by selecting the Drug Bottle Image, Drug Logo Image, Drug Dosing
Image, add the Practice Information, License information, etc. And with
CFImage, CFX_ImageCR, CF_Imageflare I will place the existing images, create
the textual data into text images and place them all on a blank Image
pre-sized at 300dpi at their respective x,y coordinates to create a print
ready High quality image that all the print shop has to do is send to their
printer's RIP.
That’s why my question on creating, saving images at 300dpi as well as print
sizes as I do not want The user to have to do anything except PRINT.

Terry  

-Original Message-
From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 7:54 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: RE: CFImage at 300dpi


I understand the concerns you have, Claude, but
I would imagine that the concern is over how to
have a "print-ready" image available online.

Yes, the end user can change the dpi before printing,
as well as the dimensions of the image, but, when dealing
with print shops for advertising, I've always had to send
"print-ready", 300dpi images (if using .jpg files) if I didn't
want the printer to make adjustments to the file to change
print dimensions or dpi.

It seems the same would be true if I were putting an image
formatted for "high-quality" printing (300dpi) online for
download and printing without making dimension or resolution adjustments.

I haven't put anything online before to meet this requirement,
but it seems as if delivering the file by email as an attachment
or delivering as a download would be the same.

Thoughts?

Rick

-Original Message-
From: Claude Schnéegans 
[mailto:=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Claude_Schn=E9egans >Is it possible using CFIMAGE to create images in 300dpi format for print
quality reasons?

If it is for print quality reason, you need only be concerned with the total
number of pixels.
1. you may very well have an image defined at "300 dpi", but if it is only
300 px wide, you will only get a one inch "good quality" printed image.
2. the resolution at which the user will print the image is his final
decision anyway.
3. I know that the concept of so called "dots per inch" is embedded in image
files, I don't know who the idea comes from, but it just does not make any
sense : I agree that a virtual image does have dots, but where actually are
the inches to make "dot/inch"?

I other words, you may have a "75 dpi" image printed at a very good quality
if it is actually 4000 pix wide,
and a very poor "4000 dpi" printed image if it is only 75 pix wide.







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RE: Anyone know anything about this new ColdFusion conference?

[Ben Forta]

Charlie,

I'd love to have a productive discussion on this subject. And yes, I have
opinions on this one, I've shared them before and am happy to do so again.
And no, as much as I admire Adam's passion for ColdFusion (it's why I nudged
him into the role), I don't fully agree with his take on things. But
regardless, I don't think this thread can be steered anywhere. When
conversations denigrate to emotional rants and accusations and
unsubstantiated sweeping generalizations, that's when I back away.

--- Ben


-Original Message-
From: Charlie Griefer [mailto:charlie.grie...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 9:28 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Anyone know anything about this new ColdFusion conference?


Rather than ignore it... is it worth trying to steer in a more productive
direction?  Can it be a productive discussion?

I've gone on record before as saying I don't think the existence of the
alternate engines spells the doom of Adobe ColdFusion.  I may be wrong, but
lord I hope not.  Adobe ColdFusion has been -very- good to me over the past
15 years, not just professionally, but personally.
Many of the people that I consider my best friends are friends that I've
made in the CF community.  So I've got both a personal and professional
interest in this, and it's a subject that I care about quite a bit.

If it can't be done here... so be it.  Just seems that we have
representation from all sides, and nobody seems to be too shy about sharing
how they feel.  All we need to do is steer the discussion in a direction
where it's more productive and constructive.  Assuming that direction...
y'know... exists.

On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 7:14 PM, Ben Forta  wrote:
>
> Good point, I guess I blocked those from my memory.
>
> Oh well, I guess I'll just have to ignore this pointless banter up for 
> a few more days before the thread makes it to the CF-Talk Rogues Gallery.
>
> --- Ben
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com]
> Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 8:58 PM
> To: cf-talk
> Subject: Re: Anyone know anything about this new ColdFusion conference?
>
>
>> I officially nominate this thread as the least productive on cf-talk
ever.
>
> I'm sorry, Ben, but this one isn't even close. Are you forgetting all 
> the "why isn't CF/CFB free" threads? Or the "is CF dying" threads?
> This one will need at least twenty more replies before it's even in 
> the same category.
>
> Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
> http://www.figleaf.com/
> http://training.figleaf.com/
>
> Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA 
> Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized 
> instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite.
>
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RE: Anyone know anything about this new ColdFusion conference?

[Ben Forta]

Good point, I guess I blocked those from my memory.

Oh well, I guess I'll just have to ignore this pointless banter up for a few
more days before the thread makes it to the CF-Talk Rogues Gallery.

--- Ben


-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com] 
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 8:58 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Anyone know anything about this new ColdFusion conference?


> I officially nominate this thread as the least productive on cf-talk ever.

I'm sorry, Ben, but this one isn't even close. Are you forgetting all the
"why isn't CF/CFB free" threads? Or the "is CF dying" threads?
This one will need at least twenty more replies before it's even in the same
category.

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RE: Anyone know anything about this new ColdFusion conference?

[Ben Forta]

I officially nominate this thread as the least productive on cf-talk ever.

--- Ben


-Original Message-
From: Judah McAuley [mailto:ju...@wiredotter.com] 
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 7:58 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Anyone know anything about this new ColdFusion conference?


On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 4:54 PM, Adrocknaphobia 
wrote:
> If you think we are in a better place, then please ignore me. Just 
> please don't get bent out of shape when Adobe recognizes Railo/OpenBD 
> as a direct competitor. I think Judah provided a perfect example of 
> why that's so.

I am a perfect example of why Railo is a competitor, yes. You also seem to
fail to acknowledge any of the reasons *why* Railo is a competitor in my
situation. If you want to look at the problems Adobe has, you might start
there instead of complaining.

Judah



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RE: why is cf_builder so expensive?

[Ben Forta]

I know I should ignore this thread, I know I should, but ...

>> Perhaps the folks at Adobe even want to kill it off, judging by the price
charged for their Enterprise version.

And if you talk to the ColdFusion sales reps (all of them over the years,
Allaire reps, Macromedia reps, and Adobe reps) they'll tell you that the
biggest obstacle to selling ColdFusion Enterprise is that it is too cheap.
Yep, there, I said it. They want the price increased to match the
expectations of enterprise software, and are convinced that doing so would
help them sell far more product.

I only point this out so that you realize that while you are fully entitled
to your own opinion on this subject, you should not assume that it is the
only opinion, a majority one, or perhaps even a right one.

--- Ben





-Original Message-
From: Dave Long [mailto:d...@northgoods.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 5:05 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: RE: why is cf_builder so expensive?


I do appreciate the assistance I have received from members of this group
but overpriced goods squeeze the cynicism out of my pores.

It seems defenders of Adobe's pricing like to compare the cost of CFB to
tools used by carpenters, plumbers and mechanics. However, that comparison
is invalid because there is only a small reduction of manufacturing costs as
volume of real world tool sales increases. Margin does not necessarily
increase as more units are sold.

This is not true of software which, once developed, has only minute costs
involved as more copies are sold. Margin increases rapidly and thus the
software could be priced at one half the price and sales might double with
margin remaining intact, increasing at a slower rate perhaps but increasing
none the less. Oh well, they were told at Harvard that "greed is good!" Bill
Gates set the standard and they all want to be him at the expense of their
customers. Why settle for being millionaires when you can soak your
customers and be billionaires.

Another factor in Adobe's pricing is to discourage entry as much as
possible. This approach has been used by AutoDesk since the 1990s and
prevents a lot of architect wannabees carpenters from designing the
buildings they build. With CFNL as simple as it is, every high school senior
in the country might be jumping into data driven design.

Perhaps the folks at Adobe even want to kill it off, judging by the price
charged for their Enterprise version. 

Time to learn PHP, I guess.

Dave
 

-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 3:15 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: why is cf_builder so expensive?



> > > It would be nice if unicorns shit rainbows too.
> >
> > Well, you can get unicorn meat:)  
> > http://www.thinkgeek.com/caffeine/wacky-edibles/e5a7/
>
> I don't know. Look at where those rainbows are in the meat chart.

I think I covered that in my initial statement. I always choose my words
carefully.

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RE: Extracting a date from a string

[Ben Forta]

Oops, meant REMatch(), not REFind(). Use REMatch() and it'll do exactly what
you want. Just be sure to check the length of the returned array before
using it.

--- Ben


-Original Message-
From: Monique Boea [mailto:moniqueb...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 2:02 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Extracting a date from a string


This give me the value of 32



#dates#



On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 1:54 PM, Ben Forta  wrote:

>
> Assuming that the dates are always in mm/dd/ format, I'd use a 
> regular expression, something like this:
>
>   string)>
>
> 
> Code written on the fly with no testing ;-) 
>
> Dates will then be an array, and in your example dates[1] will be the 
> start date and dates[2] the second date.
>
> --- Ben
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Monique Boea [mailto:moniqueb...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 1:42 PM
> To: cf-talk
> Subject: Extracting a date from a string
>
>
> Hello All.
>
> How would you go about extracting the date from this string:
>
> *Department Summary by Employee 10/27/2010 - 10/27/2010*
>
>
>
>
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RE: Extracting a date from a string

[Ben Forta]

Assuming that the dates are always in mm/dd/ format, I'd use a regular
expression, something like this:





Code written on the fly with no testing ;-)


Dates will then be an array, and in your example dates[1] will be the start
date and dates[2] the second date.

--- Ben


-Original Message-
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Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 1:42 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Extracting a date from a string


Hello All.

How would you go about extracting the date from this string:

*Department Summary by Employee 10/27/2010 - 10/27/2010*




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RE: Coldfusion8: Multiple checks within a CFIF for a valid date

[Ben Forta]

Exactly. So, you have 4 columns that are for each certification. Those
belong in their own table that may look like this:

profileID (FK)
certID (FK)
certExp
certCompanu
certImage
certOnFile

You'd have another table of cert types:

certID (PK)
certName

And then another table for the profiles

profileID (PK)
and anything pertaining to the profile itself, like contact info etc.




-Original Message-
From: Adam Bourg [mailto:adam.bo...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 1:34 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Coldfusion8: Multiple checks within a CFIF for a valid date


Yes sir, so you're saying create 3 tables? 

This is what the total table looks like 

(The, exp, company, image and onFile follow the same pattern for all)
profileID, -- Bit

cprAdultExp, -- Date
cprAdultcompany, -- NvarChar
cprAdultImage, -- Nvarchar
cprAdultOnFile,Boolean

cprInfantChildExp,
cprInfantChildcompany,
cprInfantChildImage,
cprInfantChildOnFile,

cprFPRExp,
cprFPRcompany,
cprFPRImage,
cprFPROnFile,

aedExp,
aedcompany,
aedImage,
aedOnFile,

firstAidExp,
firstAidcompany,
firstAidImage,
firstAidOnFile,

emtExp,
emtcompany,
emtImage,
emtOnFile,

waterSafetyInstructionExp,
waterSafetyInstructioncompany,
waterSafetyInstructionImage,
waterSafetyInstructionOnFile,

bloodPathogensExp,
bloodPathogenscompany,
bloodPathogensImage,
bloodPathogensOnFile,

oxygenAdminExp,
oxygenAdmincompany,
oxygenAdminImage,
oxygenAdminOnFile,

lifegaurdingExp,
lifegaurdingcompany,
lifegaurdingImage,
lifegaurdingOnFile,

wildernessResponderExp,
wildernessResponderCompany,
wildernessResponderImage,
wildernessResponderOnFile, 

certNotes -- nvarchar(4000)


>One more note ...
>
>Do you have any control over table schemas? If you have to filter on 
>that many columns, and every row has all those columns, then the table 
>really needs to be broken into three, one with the profiles, one with 
>the certifications, and one joining the two with the expiration date. 
>That would make the data retrieval really easy.
>
>That would really be your best bet.
>
>--- Ben-->



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RE: Coldfusion8: Multiple checks within a CFIF for a valid date

[Ben Forta]

One more note ...

Do you have any control over table schemas? If you have to filter on that
many columns, and every row has all those columns, then the table really
needs to be broken into three, one with the profiles, one with the
certifications, and one joining the two with the expiration date. That would
make the data retrieval really easy.

That would really be your best bet.

--- Ben


-Original Message-
From: Adam Bourg [mailto:adam.bo...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 1:23 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Coldfusion8: Multiple checks within a CFIF for a valid date


>Sounds like you are retrieving data and then filtering on the client 
>with CF based date math. And if so, then the best advice I can give you is
don't.
>This is the type of thing you need to do at the database level (in a 
>SELECT statement or a view or a stored procedure etc.). DBMSs are 
>really good at this type of date calculation, and you could easily 
>create calculated fields with all of the expiration values calculated 
>automatically, and then you just SELECT the ones with expired dates.
>
>--- Ben

Thanks Ben. I've been reading your Coldfusion 8 books, they're very good
btw! 

How would I do that? Here's what my CFC looks like now: 

 

  



SELECT 
profileID,
dateDiff(day,getDate(),cprAdultExp) as adultExp,
dateDiff(day,getDate(),cprInfantChildExp) as kidExp,
dateDiff(day,getDate(),cprFPRExp) as frpExp,
dateDiff(day,getDate(),aedExp) as aExp,
dateDiff(day,getDate(),firstAidExp) as aidExp,
dateDiff(day,getDate(),emtExp) as eExp,
dateDiff(day,getDate(),waterSafetyInstructionExp) as waterExpt,
dateDiff(day,getDate(),bloodPathogensExp) as bloodExp,
dateDiff(day,getDate(),oxygenAdminExp) as oxyExp,
dateDiff(day,getDate(),lifegaurdingExp) as lifeExp,
dateDiff(day,getDate(),wildernessResponderExp) as  wildExp,
certNotes
FROM 
mod_studentCertifications
WHERE
cprAdultExp>'2008-01-01'
or
cprInfantChildExp>'2008-01-01'
or
cprFPRExp>'2008-01-01'
or
aedExp>'2008-01-01'
or
firstAidExp>'2008-01-01'
or
emtExp>'2008-01-01'
or
waterSafetyInstructionExp>'2008-01-01'
or
bloodPathogensExp>'2008-01-01'
or
oxygenAdminExp>'2008-01-01'
or
lifegaurdingExp>'2008-01-01'
or
wildernessResponderExp>'2008-01-01'

 
 


 



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RE: Coldfusion8: Multiple checks within a CFIF for a valid date

[Ben Forta]

Sounds like you are retrieving data and then filtering on the client with CF
based date math. And if so, then the best advice I can give you is don't.
This is the type of thing you need to do at the database level (in a SELECT
statement or a view or a stored procedure etc.). DBMSs are really good at
this type of date calculation, and you could easily create calculated fields
with all of the expiration values calculated automatically, and then you
just SELECT the ones with expired dates.

--- Ben



-Original Message-
From: Greg Morphis [mailto:gmorp...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 1:20 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Coldfusion8: Multiple checks within a CFIF for a valid date


Sure, you could add the names to check to a list I used this to check for
required form fields...

You can modify it for your needs



 


**#key# is required**">





On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 12:04 PM, Adam Bourg  wrote:
>
>>yeah you can't do that.. gotta do
>>if adultExp gt 60 OR kidExp gt 60 OR ...
>>
>>
>>>
>
> Is there an easier way to do that? Maybe a loop?
>
> 



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RE: Detecting Mobile user agent - what methods work best?

[Ben Forta]

BrowserHawk is a really nice commercial solution for this one, and has
built-in CF support.

http://www.cyscape.com/

--- Ben



-Original Message-
From: Mike Kear [mailto:afpwebwo...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 6:49 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Detecting Mobile user agent - what methods work best?


I have to convert a client site to enable phone users to use the site and I
was wondering what is the best method to detect the mobile user agent and
switch the css sheet?

As far as i have seen, there are  a few ways to do this - which is best?
(or maybe the way to put it is  'least bad')

[A]  a link at the top of the normal page, linking to a mobile version
of the page.   (yuk)
[B] javascript detection (but there are thousands of mobile
devices to detect.   YUK )
[C] Use CSS @media handheld  (but many cell phones don't support the
handheld media type )
[D] server side detection using CGI.User_Agent   (but there are so
many user agents to detect)
[E] screen resolution detection  (but is that reliable?)

Are there any other ways to do this?

How do the rest of you handle serving pages to both computer screens and
mobile device screens??
--
Cheers
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Re: CF Blog software

[Ben Forta]

There are indeed inherent risks and limitations with shared hosting. But
there are solutions, including ones less expensive than dedicated hosting.
Sandboxing is one option, although not an absolutely perfect one.

The preferred option (these days) is the one Dave mentioned, visualization,
where you get a dedicated isolated virtual instance without dedicated
hardware. And we've made sure that ColdFusion licensing makes this a viable
option.

And thus my original response.

--- Ben

(Sent from my Flash enabled Android device)

On Nov 9, 2010 4:15 PM, "Dave Watts"  wrote:


> Granted they shouldn't have unrestricted access, but I would argue that
you
> should be able to c...
Yes, the ability to build complex applications may well be hampered in
a shared hosting environment. I'm not an expert in how to best
configure a shared hosting environment, but I suspect that the more
you pay, the more likely your applications will be able to use these
specific features. I don't know if CreateObject can effectively be
sandboxed, for example, but that could be solved using multiple
instances or VPS.


Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
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Re: CF Blog software

[Ben Forta]

Change hosting companies. Really.

--- Ben

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On Nov 9, 2010 2:35 PM, "DURETTE, STEVEN J (ATTASIAIT)" 
wrote:


Hi all,



So I haven't blogged in about a year because of different issues with my
website provider...  Any how I'm looking to get my blog going again, but
I don't know how I should proceed. I used to use blogcfc, but my
provider restricts a bunch of tags (below).  Can anyone suggest which
blog software might be good to use under these restrictions or if there
are any "work around"  tutorials for the latest versions of blogging
code?  I'd prefer to stick with something CF based.



The restrictions I have are as follows:

CF Tags not allowed:

CFCOLLECTION

CFCONTENT

CFDUMP

CFEXECUTE

CFLOG

CFOBJECT

CFOBJECTCACHE

CFREGISTRY



CF Functions not allowed:

SetProfileString

CreateObject(COM)

CreateObject(CORBA)

CreateObject(JAVA)



Thanks for your insights.

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RE: Memory Upgrade - Revisited

[Ben Forta]

I know others have said this already, but it's worth reiterating. Database
access is almost always an application bottleneck, especially for highly
data-centric apps like the "typical" ColdFusion app. Microsoft Access *will*
be a choke point for your app. A powerful new machine, lots of memory, 64bit
OS and JVM, all are great, but they are wasted if you're going to be waiting
for Access. Kind of like buying a brand new sports car, loaded, but then
putting a two-stroke engine in it.

As for migrating, Access to SQL Server is really easy, there is a wizard in
Access that'll do it for you, and in my experience it usually works
flawlessly. Cheaper options, like MySQL, will require more effort to migrate
to, but still worth doing.

--- Ben


-Original Message-
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Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 10:03 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Memory Upgrade - Revisited


  On 10/21/2010 6:42 AM, Steve LaBadie wrote:
> Just to be clear my assumptions are correct that I do not need to 
> purchase the "Enterprise" version in order to utilize the memory?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: David McGraw [mailto:david.mcg...@gmail.com] There is something 
> wrong with the idea of using such a beastly web-server with an Access 
> DB backend, upgrade your DB while you are at it.
>
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 11:48 AM, Steve LaBadie
> wrote:
>> We purchase 12 GB of memory for our web server and come to find out 
>> that we need Windows 2003 Enterprise or upgrade to Windows 2008  in 
>> order for the memory to be recognized. We currently have MX 7 standard
installed.
>> I am going to upgrade to CF 9, Standard. I understand that CF 9 
>> Standard comes in 64 bit and can run 64 bit heaps. And I believe you 
>> can still run 32 bit ODBC drivers on a 64 bit windows so I can still 
>> use my Access DB's.

I believe it is more complex then that.  Yes you probably get 32bit ODBC
drivers to *work* on your 64 bit windows, but they will only work with other
32 bit applications.  I.E.  using them may very well require you to use 32
bit IIS which would in turn require you to use 32 bit ColdFusion.

So as said earlier, you may very well need to and probably should upgrade
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RE: Can't figure out a query to accomplish this...

[Ben Forta]

SELECT MINUS is indeed supported by MySQL 4.1 and later. But, basically it
is just an alternative for a subquery with a NOT IN. (Internal processing is
actually different, and the subquery option may perform worse with larger
data sets).

So, the following 2 statements should do the same thing:

select a, b, c
from tablea
minus
select a, b, c
from tableb

select a, b, c
from tablea
where a, b, c not in (select a, b, c from tableb)

In other words, you don't actually need SELECT MINUS. If you can't get it to
work, use the subquery.

And it looks like you tried just that in the first place. So I'd go back and
just execute the subquery to make sure it returns what you expect. Then, if
it does, try your outer query with a hardcoded list, to make sure it behaves
as you'd expect. Then try it all put together again.

--- Ben




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From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:ric...@whitestonemedia.com] 
Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 4:51 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: RE: Can't figure out a query to accomplish this...


With MySQL?  I couldn't find anything about "minus"
in the MySQL docs, except referencing arithmetic functionality.

When I tried this:

select  p.mls_number
fromproperties p
minus
select  pc.mls_number
fromproperties_copy pc

I get this error:

You have an error in your SQL syntax;
check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right
syntax to use near 'minus select pc.mls_number from properties_copy pc' at
line 3

I tried it like this:

select  mls_number
fromproperties
minus
select  mls_number
fromproperties_copy

and got this error:

You have an error in your SQL syntax;
check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right
syntax to use near 'select mls_number from properties_copy' at line 4



-Original Message-
From: Greg Morphis [mailto:gmorp...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 4:31 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Can't figure out a query to accomplish this...


I've always done

select a, b, c
from tablea
minus
select a, b, c
from tableb

pretty simple as long as the columns match

On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 2:49 PM, Michael Grant  wrote:
>
> I really don't see why your example won't work.
> It should be selecting the records from properties that don't appear in
> properties_copy and has 'hmls' as the mls value.
> Is this not giving you the results you expect or do you just not want a
sub
> select?
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 3:12 PM, Rick Faircloth
> wrote:
>
>>
>> I'm using MySQL 5.
>>
>> I want to compare table1 to table2 and get any
>> records in table1 that don't exist in table2.
>>
>> I have tried everything I could think of and that
>> I could find on the 'net.
>>
>> Nothing's working.
>>
>> I've tried
>>
>>        - select where not in (subselect)
>>        - select where not exists (subselect)
>>        - from dual
>>        - left join where null
>>        - blah, blah, blah (this one really performed badly)
>>
>> How can I write this to make it work?
>>
>> select   p.mls_number
>> from     properties p
>> where      p.mls = 'hmls'
>> and      p.mls_number not in (select pc.mls_number from properties_copy
pc
>> where pc.mls = 'hmls')
>>
>> Any kind suggestions for a weary soul?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Rick
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> 





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RE: Adobe Security update: Hotfix available for ColdFusion

[Ben Forta]

I believe it addresses a potential vulnerability in ColdFusion
Administrator.

--- Ben


-Original Message-
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Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 4:37 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Adobe Security update: Hotfix available for ColdFusion


They don't say what the vulnerability is but...
http://www.adobe.com/support/security/bulletins/apsb10-18.html


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RE: php.org is written in ColdFusion

[Ben Forta]

Yep, absolutely, and go a good grin from it. Just not sure that it's one I'd
blog. ;-)


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Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 5:30 PM
To: cf-talk
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True, but still kinda have to appreciate the irony :)

On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 1:52 PM, Ben Forta  wrote:

>
> Does not seem to be a valid site, more of a traffic troll, I think. 
> :-(
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Andy Allan [mailto:andy.al...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 4:49 PM
> To: cf-talk
> Subject: Re: php.org is written in ColdFusion
>
>
> It's just a resource site sitting on a CF shared host.
>
> Now if it was php.net that was running on ColdFusion, that would be 
> something to get interested in.
>
> Andy
>
> On 21 June 2010 21:15, Justin Scott  wrote:
> >
> >> "http://php.org/ appears to be written completely in ColdFusion."
> >
> > Looks like one of those generic directory/information sites where 
> > someone pulled a bunch of stuff off Wikipedia and embedded Google 
> > ads to generate revenue.  There's likely 1,000 other sites running 
> > on the same platform and has very little to do with promoting PHP 
> > outside of
> getting some ad clicks.
> >
> > A reverse IP check at www.yougetsignal.com shows a whole bunch of 
> > these types of sites and other questionable material hosted on the 
> > same
> IP
> block.
> > They all appear to be CF as well.
> >
> >
> > -Justin
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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RE: php.org is written in ColdFusion

[Ben Forta]

Does not seem to be a valid site, more of a traffic troll, I think. :-(


-Original Message-
From: Andy Allan [mailto:andy.al...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 4:49 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: php.org is written in ColdFusion


It's just a resource site sitting on a CF shared host.

Now if it was php.net that was running on ColdFusion, that would be
something to get interested in.

Andy

On 21 June 2010 21:15, Justin Scott  wrote:
>
>> "http://php.org/ appears to be written completely in ColdFusion."
>
> Looks like one of those generic directory/information sites where 
> someone pulled a bunch of stuff off Wikipedia and embedded Google ads 
> to generate revenue.  There's likely 1,000 other sites running on the 
> same platform and has very little to do with promoting PHP outside of
getting some ad clicks.
>
> A reverse IP check at www.yougetsignal.com shows a whole bunch of 
> these types of sites and other questionable material hosted on the same IP
block.
> They all appear to be CF as well.
>
>
> -Justin
>
>
>
> 



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RE: New CF security bulletin

[Ben Forta]

Ugh. Engineering team was able to recreate the issue on 64bit CF, but some
are seeing it on 32bit CF, too. They are working on a fix right now. If you
have yet to apply the patch, I'd suggest waiting a little longer.

--- Ben


-Original Message-
From: Ben Forta [mailto:b...@forta.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 3:32 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: RE: New CF security bulletin


Looks like there is an issue with CF8.0.1 64-bit with Hotfix 4 applied,
where it doesn't like the filename convention of the security update. It
appears that only CF8.0.1 64-bit with Hotfix 4 is impacted, so if you're
using that version don't apply the update yet.

--- Ben



-Original Message-
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Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 3:01 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: RE: New CF security bulletin


The majority of users who applied the hotfix did not run into issues, but
several have. So please make backups BEFORE applying the hotfix.

The CF team is looking into this one.

--- Ben


-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 2:57 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: New CF security bulletin


> > Just a note to let people know that several of us have had trouble 
> > with this hot fix.
>
> Problems how? I am just about to patch my dev box.

Jason included this link, which describes problems with datasources:

http://forta.com/blog/index.cfm/2010/5/11/ColdFusion-Security-Hotfix-Release
d#comments

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RE: New CF security bulletin

[Ben Forta]

Looks like there is an issue with CF8.0.1 64-bit with Hotfix 4 applied,
where it doesn't like the filename convention of the security update. It
appears that only CF8.0.1 64-bit with Hotfix 4 is impacted, so if you're
using that version don't apply the update yet.

--- Ben



-Original Message-
From: Ben Forta [mailto:b...@forta.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 3:01 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: RE: New CF security bulletin


The majority of users who applied the hotfix did not run into issues, but
several have. So please make backups BEFORE applying the hotfix.

The CF team is looking into this one.

--- Ben


-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 2:57 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: New CF security bulletin


> > Just a note to let people know that several of us have had trouble 
> > with this hot fix.
>
> Problems how? I am just about to patch my dev box.

Jason included this link, which describes problems with datasources:

http://forta.com/blog/index.cfm/2010/5/11/ColdFusion-Security-Hotfix-Release
d#comments

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RE: New CF security bulletin

[Ben Forta]

The majority of users who applied the hotfix did not run into issues, but
several have. So please make backups BEFORE applying the hotfix.

The CF team is looking into this one.

--- Ben


-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 2:57 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: New CF security bulletin


> > Just a note to let people know that several of us have had trouble 
> > with this hot fix.
>
> Problems how? I am just about to patch my dev box.

Jason included this link, which describes problems with datasources:

http://forta.com/blog/index.cfm/2010/5/11/ColdFusion-Security-Hotfix-Release
d#comments

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RE: ColdFusion 9 WACK

[Ben Forta]

To add to what's been said, existing CF users will likely NOT want Volume 1,
as the only significant change in it is coverage of ColdFusion Builder. Real
coverage of all that's new in CF9 is in Volumes 2 and 3. This is
intentional. I broke out Volume 1 last time into its own volume so that
existing users would not have to buy a book that they'd not need most of.
Volume 1 is definitely a beginners books, which is why we named it "Getting
Started".

--- Ben



-Original Message-
From: Eric . [mailto:mister...@mistergin.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 10:32 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: ColdFusion 9 WACK


Oh definitely.  I didn't want to imply anything otherwise :)  I have great
respect for the way Ben writes.  After all, halfway through the CF5 WACK, I
was making good money as a developer with little to no experience.  Far and
few between are books that you can point someone to and with little else,
have them ready for entry into the world of development.

In other words.. I'm awaiting the tasty morsels that are soon to come
regarding CF9's new tools :)

BTW, to your reply to Maureen - b3 == Book 3?


>Remember that the book is for beginners, so a 'rehash of the basics'
>is a bit unfair. If you _know_ CF, then you probably want to wait till
>the 3rd volume where more advanced topics are. If you _dont_ know CF,
>then I think the 1st volume is excellent. Of course, I'm fairly
>biased.
>
>
>> 



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RE: CF Education (was: ColdFusion Builder Released!)

[Ben Forta]

Actually, ColdFusion has been free for educational use for a long time now. 
https://freeriatools.adobe.com/coldfusion/

And ColdFusion Builder is now also free for educational use:
https://freeriatools.adobe.com/cfbuilder/

--- Ben


-Original Message-
From: Jordan Michaels [mailto:jor...@viviotech.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 3:09 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: CF Education (was: ColdFusion Builder Released!)


I was at a CFUnited a couple years ago and Adobe was talking about a new 
plan they had started that offered Adobe products for free to 
educational institutions. I haven't heard much beyond that but I doubt 
it would take too much more then a phone call to them if an Educational 
Institution would be interested in teaching about Adobe products.

I've been teaching a class in CFML at my local CC for many years (5?) 
now. I've been meaning to post the curriculum online for quite some 
time, but haven't done it yet.

I start teaching again in just over a week. So maybe now is a good time. =)

Warm regards,
Jordan Michaels
Vivio Technologies
http://www.viviotech.net/
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Roger Austin wrote:
>  Mary Jo Sminkey  wrote: 
>> Having said that, I really am thrilled to hear that they are giving it
for free for educational use. That certainly is a big step in the right
direction and that along with educational use of the server really shows
that they are starting to see that bringing in more developers is really
critical for the future of ColdFusion. 
> 
>  Most of the schools I know about are teaching Java. Sounds to me 
> like an uphill battle, but it is in Adobe's interest and long overdue.
> I would like to hear more about how Adobe plans to market to education 
> institutions. Is the ColdFusion Server actually going to be free to 
> education systems? I had not heard that.
> 
> --
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> 
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RE: CFC Newbie

[Ben Forta]

These are old, but may answer the question:

http://www.adobe.com/devnet/coldfusion/articles/intro_cfcs.html
http://www.adobe.com/devnet/coldfusion/extreme/bforta_cfc.html

--- Ben


-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 3:44 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: CFC Newbie


> ask and you shall be enlightened:
>
>
http://www.bennadel.com/blog/726-ColdFusion-Application-cfc-Tutorial-And-App
lication-cfc-Reference.htm

While that's useful information to be sure, it doesn't address the
original poster's question, which is about CFC use in general.
Application.cfc is quite a bit different from other CFCs in how it's
used - you don't explicitly instantiate it, for example.

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RE: CFIF within CFmail?

[Ben Forta]

Try this:




   



...



-Original Message-
From: Orlini, Robert [mailto:rorl...@hwwilson.com] 
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 9:57 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: CFIF within CFmail?


Hello,

I'm trying to include a cfif within a cfmail. If a form element is "K-12",
then I want to add a cc to the cfmail part.

Here is what I have in part:

cc="te...@test2.com"
Subject="New Jersey">

It generates an error. Is there a better way to do this?

Thanks.

RO
HWW




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Re: remote FTP directly from client browser

[Ben Forta]

Yep, that's why I said "may". :-) You need to clarify what is  
acceptable and what not. If the issue is physical storage then this  
may be an acceptable option. Or not.

--- Ben

(Sent from my phone, please pardon the typos)

On Nov 23, 2009, at 10:51 AM, "Mark Kruger"   
wrote:

>
> Ben,
>
> But wouldn't the file be "written" to physical memory? And if so,  
> you could
> not guarantee that the OS isn't caching part of the file in the Swap  
> (Unless
> I'm misunderstanding). Still, it might be enough to check off his
> requirement. I suspect they won't want the web server to touch the  
> file at
> all - memory or disk notwithstanding :)
>
> -Mark
>
>
>
> Mark A. Kruger, CFG, MCSE
> (402) 408-3733 ext 105
> www.cfwebtools.com
> www.coldfusionmuse.com
> www.necfug.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ben Forta [mailto:b...@forta.com]
> Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 9:35 AM
> To: cf-talk
> Subject: Re: remote FTP directly from client browser
>
>
> CF9 virtual file system may do what you need. You'll be able to read  
> and
> write and access files, but they'll not be written to disk on the  
> server.
>
> --- Ben
>
> (Sent from my phone, please pardon the typos)
>
> On Nov 23, 2009, at 10:24 AM, Robert Schimmel 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> So, here is my problem. I need to be able to get a file from a
>> client browser to a remote FTP server without storing the file on
>> the CF server. It's a government project that won't allow cffile to
>> upload a file from the client onto the webserver, but they gave me
>> access to an ftp server (requiring authentication of course). So
>> basically, I want to be able to use cfftp but that appears to only
>> be able to transfer files that are already on the local server.
>> Anyone have a solution that allows the user to get a simple browse
>> interface, i.e. cffile, but can put the file on a remote FTP server?
>>
>>
>
>
>
> 

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Re: remote FTP directly from client browser

[Ben Forta]

CF9 virtual file system may do what you need. You'll be able to read  
and write and access files, but they'll not be written to disk on the  
server.

--- Ben

(Sent from my phone, please pardon the typos)

On Nov 23, 2009, at 10:24 AM, Robert Schimmel   
wrote:

>
> So, here is my problem. I need to be able to get a file from a  
> client browser to a remote FTP server without storing the file on  
> the CF server. It's a government project that won't allow cffile to  
> upload a file from the client onto the webserver, but they gave me  
> access to an ftp server (requiring authentication of course). So  
> basically, I want to be able to use cfftp but that appears to only  
> be able to transfer files that are already on the local server.  
> Anyone have a solution that allows the user to get a simple browse  
> interface, i.e. cffile, but can put the file on a remote FTP server?
>
> 

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Re: ColdFusion 9 books

[Ben Forta]

As Ray and others have noted, yes, the books are on their way. We  
opted to wait for ColdFusion Builder to be further along as the new  
IDE has a significant impact on ColdFusion development and thus book  
content.

--- Ben

(Sent from my phone, please pardon the typos)

On Nov 11, 2009, at 5:47 AM, Raymond Camden  wrote:

>
> Speaking as one of the Et All (grin), I can definitely +1 this. We are
> all hard at work on the CFWACK9 series now.
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 11:48 AM, Charlie Griefer
>  wrote:
>>
>> There will be a ColdFusion 9 Web Application Construction Kit by  
>> Forta, et
>> al.
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 9:11 AM, Joshua Rowe  
>>  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Does anybody know of any ColdFusion 9 books that are already out  
>>> or will be
>>> coming out in the near future?  I'm looking for something similar  
>>> to the
>>> ColdFusion 8 Web Application Construction Kit series by Ben  
>>> Forta.  Thanks!
>>>
>
>
> -- 
> === 
> === 
> =
> Raymond Camden, ColdFusion Jedi Master
>
> Email: r...@camdenfamily.com
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>
> Keep up to date with the community: http://www.coldfusionbloggers.o
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Re: Free Database Enginer for ColdFusion

[Ben Forta]

How about Apache Derby which is included with ColdFusion 8 and 9?

--- Ben

(Sent from my phone, please pardon the typos)

On Oct 5, 2009, at 10:49 PM, "Arsalan Tariq Keen"  
 wrote:

>
> Hi fellows,
>
> does anyone know of a lightweight free database engine that I can  
> bundle with my applications for small and medium size businesses?
>
>
> Regards,
> Arsalan
>
> 

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RE: (ot) Server Backup Software

[Ben Forta]

Hey Rick,

You did not mention the OS you are using, but, if Windows, and if you are
backing up to a storage device (as opposed to tape or something else) then
this is what I use: http://www.backupforworkgroups.com/

It's lightweight, cheap (I think it starts at $100 per client), supports SQL
Server and Exchange too if needed, supports optional offsite mirroring ...
and their support is phenomenal.

Worth a look at.

--- Ben


-Original Message-
From: Rick Root [mailto:rick.r...@webworksllc.com] 
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 4:14 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: (ot) Server Backup Software


Hey all, I'm looking for recomendations on server backup software.  I
have 4 servers with large amounts of data, and we're looking for a
local backup solution.. ie... A server with Very Large hard drivers
(like 5x1tb or 5x2tb).

I'd then like to use some kind of server-based backup software (along
with agents running on the client) to perform (generally) incremental
backups of the other servers file systems.

Any recommendations for inexpensive solutions?  (inexpensive meaning,
hundres or thousands of dollars but not tens of thousands).

-- 
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Re: ColdFusion Builder - free or commercial product?

[Ben Forta]

We've not made any announcments regarding packaging and pricing yet.  
Stay tuned.

--- Ben

(Sent from my phone, please pardon the typos)

On Aug 25, 2009, at 12:11 PM, David McGuigan   
wrote:

>
> I'd heard that a set number of Builder licenses came with every server
> license, obviously proportional to the price of the edition. That  
> makes a
> lot of sense. And then shared-host-only developers would need to  
> purchase
> their own IDE license, etc.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 1:53 AM, Will Swain  wrote:
>
>>
>> I'd be very surprised if it's free. I suppose it might be bundled  
>> with CF9.
>>
>> I'm guessing a couple of hundred dollars personally.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Pete Ruckelshaus [mailto:pruckelsh...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: 25 August 2009 04:34
>> To: cf-talk
>> Subject: ColdFusion Builder - free or commercial product?
>>
>>
>> I've been using ColdFusion Builder and am more or less happy with  
>> it (any
>> unhappiness stems from Eclipse quirks and limitations), but I have a
>> question: Once it's out of beta, will CF Builder be a commercial  
>> product
>> that will need to be purchased, or will it be available for free?
>> Thanks
>>
>> Pete
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> 

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RE: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK

[Ben Forta]

As he said, this is a public beta, designed so that you can provide feedback
before it's too late to implement them. Take a big deep breath, and file all
bugs and enhancements requests, and the sooner the better.

--- Ben


-Original Message-
From: b...@bradwood.com [mailto:b...@bradwood.com] 
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 4:09 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: RE: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK


Take it easy-- it's a beta.  Log a bug and call it a day.  The new Flex
bug tracker is pretty kick butt.

http://cfbugs.adobe.com/bugreport/flexbugui/cfbugtracker/main.html

~Brad

 Original Message 
 Subject: RE: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK
 From: "Rick Faircloth" 
  
 Ahhh! Can only tags that are specified in Preferences be folded?
 
 Can I not set folding markers anywhere I want??
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com] 
  
 Tell me I'm just having a nightmare...
 
 Does CFB not maintain folded code state when opening a document?
 




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RE: Adobe's CF IDE, "Bolt"

[Ben Forta]

The formal Bolt beta has not yet started, so the fact that you've heard
nothing yet does not mean that you won't be. Hang in there ...

--- Ben


-Original Message-
From: C. Hatton Humphrey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 9:52 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Adobe's CF IDE, "Bolt"

> So...anyone *not* using the Bolt beta, please raise your hands...
>
> I don't see any hands, so it must be out.
>
> Is anyone allowed to confirm that it's out and being used and therefore
> I didn't get a chance to work with the beta?  :o(

I'm not - not even sure if I'm going to until I see a good reason to
change from CFEclipse and Notepad.



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RE: Adding & Updating empty values

[Ben Forta]

>> How do I get passed the "q1 is not defined in Form" CF error? All I want
to
>> do is enter an empty value. How can I allow it to do that for insert 
>> and updates?

Actually, you'd never want to have to deal with "not defined" errors in your
core code. That's what  is for, all form fields should be defined
(default them to "" if needed) higher up, along with form field validation,
and so on.

--- Ben



-Original Message-
From: Gerald Guido [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 4:10 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Adding & Updating empty values

Write a code generator for it.


fill out the form, and loop over the #Form.FIELDNAMES#

Like so





 







On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 3:46 PM, Rick Sanders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Is that the only way?
>
> It's a questionnaire form with 50 questions! You mean I have to do a

> for every question and assign it a blank value if there's no value!?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Rob Parkhill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: October-28-08 4:42 PM
> To: cf-talk
> Subject: Re: Adding & Updating empty values
>
> wrap it in a  so..
> 
>   
> 
>
> Rob
>
> On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 3:33 PM, Rick Sanders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Hey all,
> >
> >
> >
> > In my form some values may be left empty. For example a form field named
> > q1.
> >
> > It's fine if it's empty because the user can go back and fill it in
later
> > if
> > they wish.
> >
> >
> >
> > How do I get passed the "q1 is not defined in Form" CF error? All I want
> to
> > do is enter an empty value. How can I allow it to do that for insert and
> > updates?
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> >
> >
> > LogoSig
> >
> > Rick Sanders
> >
> > Webenergy
> >
> > Canada: 902-431-7279
> >
> > USA:   919-799-9076
> >
> > Canada: www.webenergy.ca
> >
> > USA:   www.webenergyusa.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> 



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RE: CFML Advisory Committee (was: Alternative to coldfusion8)

[Ben Forta]

And another portion (myself) utterly buried under MAX prep. But, we'll get
there ...

--- Ben


-Original Message-
From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 5:06 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: CFML Advisory Committee (was: Alternative to coldfusion8)

Unfortunately you have a portion of the group (Sean and myself) having
been -very- swamped the last few weeks. We are all still around of
course, and still very much dedicated.

On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 1:30 PM, Jordan Michaels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Indeed. It's been a while now. ;)
>
> Warm regards,
> Jordan Michaels
> Vivio Technologies
> http://www.viviotech.net/
> Open BlueDragon Steering Committee
> Adobe Solution Provider
>
>
> Adam Haskell wrote:
>> I think they are slightly closer to having a wiki space up than OpenBD at
>> this point...how long has it been since we were promised a wiki with info
on
>> OpenBD?
>>
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RE: CF8 enterprise, CF8 Standard, CF7 Standard on same computer?

[Ben Forta]

Yes, you can indeed install CF Enterprise in JE22 server configuration while
CF7 and CF8 are installed, but there are some gotchas to consider. The CF
service names are different, and the default HTTP ports are different, too.
However, installing additional services (like the ODBC services) will likely
overwrite the one you have already. And other services, like the integrated
LCDS will likely have port conflicts.

--- Ben



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Thanks Ben, that's what we want. So back to my original question. Can we
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RE: CF8 enterprise, CF8 Standard, CF7 Standard on same computer?

[Ben Forta]

You'll want to reinstall if you want the J2EE installation (the one that
will let you have multiple isolated dedicated instances of CF on a single
box). If you want to use CF Enterprise in standalone mode, just go into the
system info page in CF Admin and provide the new serial number. No restart
needed.

--- Ben


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Hi Mike, Ah, so we don't even need to insert the cf8 dvd and install from
there? Where then do we enter that serial number? Thanks! 



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RE: Lean, 'mean' cf8

[Ben Forta]

There are other J2EE options. CF officially supports JBoss as of CF8.

http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/systemreqs/

--- Ben



-Original Message-
From: Gerald Guido [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 8:44 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Lean, 'mean' cf8

>>So don't use JRun then, CF8 is a proper J2EE app.

Sure, let me pull $6800 out of my imaginary budget for the upgrade.;-)

On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 6:52 AM, Tom Chiverton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

> On Tuesday 12 Aug 2008, Gerald Guido wrote:
> > I doubt Don is talking about CPU usage. My biggest issue with Adobe CF
> Jrun
> > server instances is RAM. Compared to a lot of other App servers Adobe's
> > JRun app server is a glutton.
>
> So don't use JRun then, CF8 is a proper J2EE app.
>
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RE: SQL injection attack on House of Fusion

[Ben Forta]

Darn, I blew my cover! ;-)

--- Ben


-Original Message-
From: Ian Skinner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 12:27 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: SQL injection attack on House of Fusion

Ben Forta wrote:
> ... parasitic bottom-feeding bots created by
> despicable scum-sucking feeble-excuse-for-a-carbon-based-life-form
repugnant
> socially-inept basement-dwelling death-penalty-deserving hacker-wannabes.
>
> --- Ben

Now please don't hold back your feelings on our account.  Please just 
tell us how you really feel!

P.S.  As Mark said.  This is a cool side of a CF celebrity we just don't 
get to see.  Cool!




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RE: SQL injection attack on House of Fusion

[Ben Forta]

Yep, was curious about that too. I modified Justin's script to not send
e-mails, but to write a simple log entry - more an act of curiosity than
anything else - I just log the date, time, and client IP address.

--- Ben




-Original Message-
From: Brad Wood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 12:03 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: SQL injection attack on House of Fusion

Tell us how you really feel Ben.  :)

I had to temporarily stop apache on my site long enough to get a stop gap in

place.  My database is safe, but I was getting around 90 requests a second 
and ColdFusion and MySQL were eating up all the server's CPU trying to keep 
up.  SSH was even unresponsive.

I think I'm going to dump all these attempts in a database to analyze.  I 
curious where the majority of the IPs are coming from.  There has to be a 
way to squeak in the ear of ISPs loud enough to have them shut down infected

users until they are cleaned.

~Brad

- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ben Forta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" 
Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 10:50 AM
Subject: RE: SQL injection attack on House of Fusion


> Yep, I turned e-mail notifications off too, leave it on and you can
> inadvertently turn blocking SQL injection attacks into a self-imposed DoS
> attack. Fun stuff.
>
> On the plus side, it's nice to see CF finally getting the recognition it
> deserves, even if it is from parasitic bottom-feeding bots created by
> despicable scum-sucking feeble-excuse-for-a-carbon-based-life-form 
> repugnant
> socially-inept basement-dwelling death-penalty-deserving hacker-wannabes.
>
> --- Ben




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RE: SQL injection attack on House of Fusion

[Ben Forta]

Yep, I turned e-mail notifications off too, leave it on and you can
inadvertently turn blocking SQL injection attacks into a self-imposed DoS
attack. Fun stuff.

On the plus side, it's nice to see CF finally getting the recognition it
deserves, even if it is from parasitic bottom-feeding bots created by
despicable scum-sucking feeble-excuse-for-a-carbon-based-life-form repugnant
socially-inept basement-dwelling death-penalty-deserving hacker-wannabes.

--- Ben



-Original Message-
From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 11:41 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: SQL injection attack on House of Fusion

Which explains why House of Fusion is being so heavily hit. We're literally
everywhere on Google. Fusion Authority on the other hand has all of its urls
masked to .htm so the only one being attacked there is an old .cfm archive.
I'm working on a webserver level fix for this which will bypass the need to
block based on IPs. I just need a few moments. The attacks are hitting VERY
hard. I got 4000 alert emails in the space of 5 minutes before I turned them
off again.

On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 11:27 AM, Tom Chiverton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

> On Friday 08 Aug 2008, Scott Stewart wrote:
> > I'm almost flattered that someone thought my site was important enough
> > to attack...
>
> They didn't. The attack is probably driving itself based on a Google
search
> (
> [inurl:.cfm] ?) .
>
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RE: Chinese characters in CF

[Ben Forta]

I did something similar for CFFAQ. It supports all sorts of languages,
including Chinese and Urdu (a right-to-left language).

Default:http://www.cffaq.com/
Chinese:http://www.cffaq.com/index.cfm?language=cn
Urdu:   http://www.cffaq.com/index.cfm?language=ur
Russian:http://www.cffaq.com/index.cfm?language=ru
 and so on.

All data is stored in SQL Server in N data type fields. And UTF-8 is used
for all CF pages. The rest just kinda works.

All strings, and I do mean every single string, is in a massive externalized
string table. And there is an entire admin interface for defining new
strings, and then for translators to be presented with strings and to be
able to save translations.

Works beautifully!

(Now if the site was ever updated ...)

--- Ben


-Original Message-
From: Randy Messer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 4:41 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Chinese characters in CF

>We have a client who wants our CF based application to display chinese
>characters.  We've done a bit of research but haven't been able to pull it
>off yet.  So, I wanted to see if others have figured that out and have any
>words of advice to share.
>
>Thanks!
>
>Nick
>
>...
..
>.

For What's Its Worth. We have application requiring different languages
dependent upon users login. In my situation I built an admin interface
listing all phrases that needed to be translated. Translators login and post
translated phrases. Action inserts to Db and writes a cfm file. Set up
folders for Eng, JP, Sp, etc. For output, to avoid qry each phrase, instead
I read the files based on session language var required for page and set as
var for output. I also set a session var for the charset, UTF-8, or
Shift_JIS for Japanese. Once you have the initial set up, you can add
languages with ease. Don't know how this sounds to others, but it works like
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RE: (ot) URL Hack Attempt Leaves Me Scractching My Head... To Ben Forta

[Ben Forta]

RIAForge is back up ...

-Original Message-
From: Radek Valachovic [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 2:20 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: (ot) URL Hack Attempt Leaves Me Scractching My Head... To Ben
Forta

I have it installed already, but other guys in forums asking for scanner so
I suggest that one and when I came to riaforge it didnt work so I was
wondering why. Thanks anyway, but I think on your new page u should post it
there too to download from your server or blog with credits of RiaForge.

Radek

On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 2:20 PM, Brad Wood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hmm, it appears to be down-- and Ray is on vacation.  I can post it on my
> blog temporarily if I need to.
>
> Today is Operation cf_SQLprotect!
>
>
http://www.codersrevolution.com/index.cfm/2008/7/24/Announcing-the-first-eve
r-International-Operation-cfSQLprotect
>
> ~Brad
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Radek Valachovic" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Talk" 
> Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 1:11 PM
> Subject: Re: (ot) URL Hack Attempt Leaves Me Scractching My Head... To Ben
> Forta
>
>
> > RiaForge.org doesnt work, tryied to get the cfqueryparam scanner:
> >
> > http://qpscanner.riaforge.org/
> >
> > anybody knows what happenned?
> >
> > Radek
>
>
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RE: (ot) URL Hack Attempt Leaves Me Scractching My Head...

[Ben Forta]

MAXLENGTH would typically be the maximum the underlying table allows or the
maximum you want to accept. And MAXLENGTH is optional.

--- Ben


-Original Message-
From: Radek Valachovic [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 2:19 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: (ot) URL Hack Attempt Leaves Me Scractching My Head...

What would you suggest for this kind of thing:

Select USERID
from users
where email = '#trim(arguments.email)#' and password =
'#trim(arguments.password)#'


Something like this?

Select USERID
from users
where email =  and password = 

I put Question marks to MAXLENGHT still thinking if I should specify it for
more security (but guessing lenght of emails someone can be rejected) or can
it be without MAXLENGHT?

Radek



>
> Not using SELECT * is more of a "best practices" kind of thing.
>
> When you use it, you're potentially pulling more information than you
need,
> which is inefficient.  Additionally, specifying all of the columns you're
> pulling is more self-documenting.
>
> I'd much rather see:
>
> SELECT
> u.userName
> , u.userPhone
> , u.userEmail
> , u.userAddress
> FROM
> Users u
> WHERE
> 
>
> than
>
> SELECT * FROM Users
>
> with the former, I have a better idea of what i'm dealing with (without
the
> need to  the query and see it).
>
>
> --
> A byte walks into a bar and orders a pint. Bartender asks him "What's
> wrong?" Byte says "Parity error." Bartender nods and says "Yeah, I thought
> you looked a bit off."
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RE: (ot) URL Hack Attempt Leaves Me Scractching My Head...

[Ben Forta]

Fine, it's always a good idea to never use *

;-)

--- Ben


-Original Message-
From: Claude Schneegans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 2:13 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: (ot) URL Hack Attempt Leaves Me Scractching My Head...

 >>it's safe to say that avoiding "*" is a good idea,

Now that's the kind of statement I prefer: "a good idea",
better than *always* or *never* :-)

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RE: Galleon Forum - Ray Camden's Forum project

[Ben Forta]

DSN setting, and all settings, in settings.ini.cfm file. Read the docs, Ray
spells it all out in detail.

--- Ben


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 3:24 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Galleon Forum - Ray Camden's Forum project

I'm getting Data source "Galleon" not found.  Has anyone worked with Ray
Camden's
Forum software.  I can't find where the datasource is set and I've searched
through all
the related files.No matter what I make adjustments to, the error persists.

Thanks

D 




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RE: Any "Gotcha's" in using CF UUID for db record primary key?

[Ben Forta]

>> Whether it is a UUID created in ColdFusion or some other unique
value...you
>> KNOW what it is...every time, because you set it, not the DB.

Until you need to use another database client, one other than ColdFusion,
then things get messier. If you need to manually insert rows, or do a batch
import, or ... This is the main reason I'm not a big fan of database clients
(any clients, including ColdFusion) generating PKs.

--- Ben



-Original Message-
From: Mark Fuqua [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 10:00 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Any "Gotcha's" in using CF UUID for db record primary key?

What if you have four concurrent users (or four hundred if your app get
popular!), what happens if user two gets user three's id when she runs
LAST_INSERT_ID()?

That's the one of the only reasons I can see for using alternate keys.
Whether it is a UUID created in Coldfusion or someother unique value...you
KNOW what it is...everytime, because you set it, not the DB.

Mark



-Original Message-
From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 8:22 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Any "Gotcha's" in using CF UUID for db record primary key?

What's the reason for using the db instead of CF to
generate the UUID?  To keep the load off CF?

I was thinking I might use CF in the following manner to generate
a UUID for a record:

- Create UUID and variable to hold UUID via CF and cfset
- User completes form with textual information and photo selection via
cffile
- Run insert query to create primary textual record, including inserting
UUID
- Run second insert query to create records in photo table for each
  cffile field mentioned above, inserting UUID for relational key to textual
information

After doing some reading in the MySQL 5 docs, it looks like I could use the
LAST_INSERT_ID() function to return the auto-incrementing primary key of the
"main"
textual record of a property (Real Estate property), then run an insert
query for the
photo records on another table, using the LAST_INSERT_ID() as the relational
key to the
primary property table.

- User completes form with primary record info and selects photos
- Insert query runs creating primary property record
- Run another query to retrieve LAST_INSERT_ID() (or just use that value as
a variable,
#LAST_INSERT_ID()# ???)
- Run another query to insert photos into photo table using LAST_INSERT_ID
as relational key

Using LAST_INSERT_ID(), it seems that I could allow a single input form for
two tables,
property and property_photos, create a more user-friendly work flow, and
avoid the
"messiness" of UUID altogether.

Thoughts?

Rick


> -Original Message-
> From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 11:48 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Any "Gotcha's" in using CF UUID for db record primary key?
> 
> > At the same time I kind of DON'T agree with them if you're
> > doing what we were doing: if you're using the key to link
> > tables (so that you can combine multiple databases easily)
> > and using them to link to non-DB information (log files, etc)
> > then it seems like extra work to do a "real" auto-increment
> > PK as well.
> 
> I'll second this. Either use UUIDs or don't. In either case, I'd recommend
> that you use your database's ability to generate these instead of doing it
> from CF.
> 
> Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
> http://www.figleaf.com/
> 
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CF8 Wins 2008 Jolt Awards!

[Ben Forta]

http://www.drdobbs.com/blog/portal/archives/2008/03/jolt_award_winn.html

--- Ben

==
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RE: LinkedIn CF group

[Ben Forta]

And here's a Flex group, just coz ;-)

http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/65596/7DF3445D30E0

--- Ben


-Original Message-
From: James Wolfe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 6:01 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: LinkedIn CF group

I'm not sure what purpose it serves, but I created a LinkedIn CF group if
anyone cares

http://www.linkedin.com/groupInvitation?groupID=63526&sharedKey=59CB6255962F





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RE: How accurate is IP address / Geocode lookup?

[Ben Forta]

I've used this product, integrates with CF, too:

http://www.cyscape.com/products/chawk/

--- Ben


-Original Message-
From: Ben Doom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 5:42 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: How accurate is IP address / Geocode lookup?

 From what I understand, it's usually the ISP.  However, it is often the 
last hop before the actual client, so it would only be inaccurate if, 
say, the person was in TN and the ISP was in KY.

That said, at my last job, we were in KY, and we showed up as in (I 
think) PA, since that was where the router for static IPs was.  Alltel 
was our ISP, IIRC.

So it's a good approximation, but I would not rely on it for calculating 
sales tax.  :-)

--Doom

Jeff Chastain wrote:
> I have a client that is looking to ascertain the state ( or country if not
> US based ) of the current visitor to their web site.  One possibility has
> been to use their IP address and a geocode lookup, which I have never done
> before.  So, how accurate is doing a geocode lookup based upon IP?  Does
it
> really give the user's location or more often the ISP's location?
> 
>  
> 
> Any feedback would be appreciated.
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> 
> 
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RE: No 64-bit on Windows for CF8?

[Ben Forta]

I wish I could answer that question, but I really can't. I will, however,
say that we're not expecting any additional beta releases.

--- Ben



-Original Message-
From: William Seiter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 1:59 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: No 64-bit on Windows for CF8?

Hey Ben,

When you say 'soon-to-be-released' can the timeframe to the release be
counted in months, weeks, days, hours, etc?  How long would Rick need to
wait (obviously an estimate, not actual time...)

William

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-Original Message-
From: Ben Forta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 10:53 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: No 64-bit on Windows for CF8?

Regular CF8 can run on it, using a 32bit JVM. If you can wait a little
longer, you'll be able to use the soon-to-be-released 64bit version of CF8.

--- Ben


-Original Message-
From: Richard Colman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 1:48 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: No 64-bit on Windows for CF8?

HELP! I just bought a 64-bit windows server. What versions of CF7 or CF8
can I run on this machine?

Rick Colman 

-Original Message-
From: Ben Forta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 10:36 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: No 64-bit on Windows for CF8?

64bit CF8 is in final beta, watch for an announcement in the very near
future.

--- Ben


-Original Message-
From: Gaulin, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 1:32 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: No 64-bit on Windows for CF8?

Hi
Based on the CF8 feature list here
http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/features/ I am not seeing
support for 64-bit CF (on 64 bit java) on Windows.  I see from random a
blog posts over the years that 64-bit support was hoped for in CF8
(http://www.infoaccelerator.net/index.cfm?event=showEntry&entryId=5E205E
BA-1372-FA49-99C83B22E3A9AA30).

So, it isn't available on windows, right?

(My angle is to give more memory to the JVM, and 64-bit is the
quickest/only way to do it.)

Thanks
Mark











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RE: No 64-bit on Windows for CF8?

[Ben Forta]

Regular CF8 can run on it, using a 32bit JVM. If you can wait a little
longer, you'll be able to use the soon-to-be-released 64bit version of CF8.

--- Ben


-Original Message-
From: Richard Colman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 1:48 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: No 64-bit on Windows for CF8?

HELP! I just bought a 64-bit windows server. What versions of CF7 or CF8
can I run on this machine?

Rick Colman 

-Original Message-
From: Ben Forta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 10:36 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: No 64-bit on Windows for CF8?

64bit CF8 is in final beta, watch for an announcement in the very near
future.

--- Ben


-Original Message-
From: Gaulin, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 1:32 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: No 64-bit on Windows for CF8?

Hi
Based on the CF8 feature list here
http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/features/ I am not seeing
support for 64-bit CF (on 64 bit java) on Windows.  I see from random a
blog posts over the years that 64-bit support was hoped for in CF8
(http://www.infoaccelerator.net/index.cfm?event=showEntry&entryId=5E205E
BA-1372-FA49-99C83B22E3A9AA30).

So, it isn't available on windows, right?

(My angle is to give more memory to the JVM, and 64-bit is the
quickest/only way to do it.)

Thanks
Mark







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RE: No 64-bit on Windows for CF8?

[Ben Forta]

64bit CF8 is in final beta, watch for an announcement in the very near
future.

--- Ben


-Original Message-
From: Gaulin, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 1:32 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: No 64-bit on Windows for CF8?

Hi 
Based on the CF8 feature list here
http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/features/ I am not seeing
support for 64-bit CF (on 64 bit java) on Windows.  I see from random a
blog posts over the years that 64-bit support was hoped for in CF8
(http://www.infoaccelerator.net/index.cfm?event=showEntry&entryId=5E205E
BA-1372-FA49-99C83B22E3A9AA30).

So, it isn't available on windows, right?

(My angle is to give more memory to the JVM, and 64-bit is the
quickest/only way to do it.)

Thanks
Mark



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RE: CFC, YES OR NO

[Ben Forta]

Hi,

The answer is a definite "yes", you need to learn how to use CFCs. In fact,
just as in David Gassner's tutorials, in my own ColdFusion books I introduce
CFCs very early, and make them very usable and without adding complexity.

You are probably going to get quite a few responses to this message, and
many may suggest that you adopt full blown frameworks and learn some object
oriented basics. And while there is validity to those suggestions, you may
want to start much simpler than that. If, initially, you do nothing more
than tier your app so that all database access is via centralized CFC
methods, and never in .cfm files directly, that alone will be a major step
in the right direction.

-- Ben


-Original Message-
From: Ali [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 10:38 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: CFC, YES OR NO

Hi:
I am using CF for while now but I have no other programing background. I
used Lynda.com video tutorials to learn CF and some other online tutorials
like EasyCFM.com. Several days efore I recieved two new CF8 tutorials from
Lynda.com(Lynda.com ColdFusion 8 Essential Training | Lynda.com ColdFusion 8
Beyond the Basics) but I got confused completely! David Gassner the tutor
has a complete plan to talks about many corners of CF but he starts using
CFCs very soon at the middle of the first tutorial. He mentions you can
never use CFCs and make all the application using simple CF tags but knowing
CFCs helps you make it more reusable and manageable. I found CFCs VERY
confusing for myself. I tried to learn it but I didn't get it completely.
Maybe because I have no programing background with other languages other
than HTML. What do you think? Should I learn it? Does it gradually become
the core of CF programing to use CFCs? Please write me your opinions,
knowledge and experiences about the subject.
Thanks
Benign




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RE: Duplicates in Arrays or Lists

[Ben Forta]

And in general, don't use lists for large amounts of data. A list with
15,000 elements is generally not a good idea at all. Remember, lists are not
a true type (like arrays are, for example). A list is a string, and
extracting values, or traversing the list, or manipulating it in any way,
requires lots and lots of string parsing and processing for each operation.
Lists are great in that they are how data comes back from HTML forms, and
how SQL IN clauses accept data, and are therefore perfect for those
situations. But lists should generally not be used as a data storage type.

--- Ben



-Original Message-
From: Gaulin, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 11:26 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Duplicates in Arrays or Lists

Put the values in a Struct; in one pass you can create a second
array/list that avoids any values that are already in the Struct.
Mark

-Original Message-
From: Chad McCue [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 11:16 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Duplicates in Arrays or Lists

Anyone have a function that runs that will remove duplicates from a list
or array. My list will have over 15k items so I need it to run as fast
as possible.






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RE: CFIMAGE- stacking images

[Ben Forta]

Here's an ImageAppend() function for you. Pass it two image paths, and the
3rd Boolean flag is TRUE (default) to stack images on top of each other, or
FALSE to have them side by side. It returns an image object which you can
save, or write to the browser with .

--- Ben























































-Original Message-
From: Ben Forta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 2:18 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CFIMAGE- stacking images

ImageNew() to create a new blank image. ImageRead() and ImagePaste() to
paste first image, then another ImageNew() and ImagePaste() setting the x
and y so that it is where you want it relative to first image. Or just take
all of that and make a ImageAppend() function that dos it for you.

--- Ben


-Original Message-
From: Daniel Baughman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 2:14 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: CFIMAGE- stacking images

Hello all,

I keep trying to find ways to use CFIMAGE but almost every time am forced to
use another tool...

Is there any way to append images?  IE I have one image, a photo, that I
want to append a polaroid-like bottom to. It seems this is outside the
functionality of the CFIMAGE tag.  Or am I missing something?

- Dan






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RE: CFIMAGE- stacking images

[Ben Forta]

ImageNew() to create a new blank image. ImageRead() and ImagePaste() to
paste first image, then another ImageNew() and ImagePaste() setting the x
and y so that it is where you want it relative to first image. Or just take
all of that and make a ImageAppend() function that dos it for you.

--- Ben


-Original Message-
From: Daniel Baughman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 2:14 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: CFIMAGE- stacking images

Hello all,

I keep trying to find ways to use CFIMAGE but almost every time am forced to
use another tool...

Is there any way to append images?  IE I have one image, a photo, that I
want to append a polaroid-like bottom to. It seems this is outside the
functionality of the CFIMAGE tag.  Or am I missing something?

- Dan




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RE: CF8 and IPv6

[Ben Forta]

Yes, CF8 does support IPv6 for debugging IP addresses. CF7 does have some
IPv6 support, but (if I remember correctly)) not for debugging addresses.

--- Ben


-Original Message-
From: Brian Kotek [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 10:08 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CF8 and IPv6

There was an update to CF7 to allow some support for IPv6 (in things like
GetLocalHostIP()), which obviously are carried over to CF8. But for debug
IPs I have no idea. I'd download the developer edition and try it.

On Jan 29, 2008 9:55 AM, DURETTE, STEVEN J (ATTASIAIT) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Just a quick question.  Is CF8 (or even 7) IPv6 compatible?  Will the
> ColdFusion Administrator debug ips work with IPv6?
>
> I'm being asked because our network is switching to IPv6 and this could
> be an issue if it doesn't handle it.
>
> Right now we are on CF7 (we own CF8 but change comes slowly around
> here), but if it can't handle it and CF8 does I might be able to force
> an early upgrade (they want 3rd or 4th qtr).
>
>
> Thanks,
> Steve
>
>
>  Steve Durette
> 586-466-7654
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
>
>
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RE: Adobe ColdFusion IDE survey

[Ben Forta]

Larry,

Yep, there were lots of Macs. And in fact, the entire evangelism team use
Macs, with only two exceptions (one of whom is yours truly). But keep in
mind that CFUnited appeals to the high end ColdFusion developers, and the
demographic present at that event is absolutely not indicative of the
ColdFusion developer base in general. The very vocal high profile minority
present at events like CFUnited and cfObjective and Scotch and WebDU, and
subscribed to cf-talk and the like, are just that - very vocal, but
definitely a minority. For example, and I know many here won't believe this,
but among the greater CF community about half of developers use Dreamweaver
for their ColdFusion development, and they like it, too! Oh, and when I
visit customer sites I still find that most ColdFusion developers have yet
to ever use a CFC. Seriously. We'd never ignore the hardcore dedicated user
base that hangs around here, and the opinions shared here are taken very
seriously. But, just keep in mind that there is a much bigger CF world than
is present here. Which is why we need the bigger sampling in surveys.

--- Ben



-Original Message-
From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 9:37 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Adobe ColdFusion IDE survey

While a majority of developers may be on a win'dohs box, if last year's
CFUnited is any indication there were quite a few Mac users in attendance,
judging from the number Mac laptops I saw in use.

regards,

larry


>Gotta love statistics.  Where are you getting these numbers from again?
>
>I think it's in Adobe's best interest to make it cross-platform.  Else the
>wrath of Ray / Sean / some others might be felt. :) 



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RE: Adobe ColdFusion IDE survey

[Ben Forta]

I am not sure that we have really definitive numbers. But, the last time we
did some analysis, about 75% of CF servers were running on Windows, and the
number of ColdFusion developers who developed on Windows was even higher
than that, a lot higher. Having said that, multi-platform is indeed
important, which is why we ask about platform in the survey.

The best thing you guys can do to help us now is to get as many people as
possible to fill the survey in. Getting responses from the cf-talk readers
and frequent goog or MXNA readers is easy, but we also have a pretty good
idea what those responses will be. If you have co-workers or usergroup
members or others who can weigh in with their views, views we might not hear
as often, that would be invaluable.

--- Ben



-Original Message-
From: Mark Kruger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 3:24 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Adobe ColdFusion IDE survey

I'm afraid I'd have to say that is not the case I would say that it is a
significant majority.  

-Original Message-
From: Charlie Griefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 1:48 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Adobe ColdFusion IDE survey

On Jan 7, 2008 11:42 AM, Andy Matthews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Again...I would argue that the overwhelming majority of ColdFusion 
> developers are Windows based. It would be smart for them to make it 
> cross-platform, but it wouldn't affect that many people if it was 
> Windows only.

I don't pretend to have any figured in front of me, but I'd speculate that
while I -think- a majority of CF folks are on Windows, I don't know that I'd
suggest it's a *significant* majority.

My guess is that the investment in building a cross-platform solution would
be a worthwhile investment.  And yes, it's just a guess :)

--
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RE: Adobe ColdFusion IDE survey

[Ben Forta]

Ah, ok. Well, that is actually a frequently discussed option too! :-)

--- Ben


-Original Message-
From: Andrew Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 1:11 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Adobe ColdFusion IDE survey

lol,

Ben I think you should read that better, I was asking for Coldfusion
itself to be free. And I would pay for the IDE :-)


On 1/8/08, Ben Forta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hey, free is a valid option, which is why it is listed there! :-)
>
> --- Ben
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Andrew Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 12:48 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Adobe ColdFusion IDE survey
>
> Ben,
>
> When looking at the survey, one of the important things was how much
> would you pay.
>
> The one thing that I would like to add to that is I selected free,
> only because I couldn't add any reason behind that. My reasoning is
> this, Coldfusion is loosing ground in areas that I will not debate
> here. However my logic is this, I would love to see Coldfusion itself
> 100% free and the IDE I would pay for as long as it supported what I
> needed to do my job.
>
> So if Adobe was to take on CFEclipse, and throw support at it, I am
> prepared to pay for that. I guess to take on .Net and others I would
> like to see something that is as comparable to those models.
>
> Anyway I know I can dream :-)
>
>
> On 1/8/08, Ben Forta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Todd,
> >
> > You are jumping to conclusions. No one has said that we'll not do what
you
> > are suggestions. Actually, at this point no one has said anything at
all,
> > other than A) a CF IDE ranks as one of the top feature requests, B) we'd
> > like more input from the community to help drove decision making.
That's
> it
> > - for now.
> >
> > --- Ben
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Todd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 11:43 AM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: Re: Adobe ColdFusion IDE survey
> >
> > Hopefully this won't be yet another ColdFusion Studio "now you see it,
now
> > you don't."  I don't understand why they don't just throw some money at
> > CFEclipse or fix issues inside of DW.  All I see this doing is messing
up
> > the Adobe Future-CS3 bundles they have.
> >
> > On Jan 7, 2008 11:36 AM, Tom Chiverton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > > In case no one is reading RSS these days,
> > >
> > >
> >
>
http://weblogs.macromedia.com/mxna/controller.cfm?handler=PostHandler&action
> >
>
=click&postId=239231&nextPage=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Edcooper%2Eorg%2Fblog%2Fclie
> >
>
nt%2Findex%2Ecfm%3Fmode%3Dentry%26entry%3D54F8B07D%2D4E22%2D1671%2D5D4901CA2
> > 8DF6919
> > > --
> > > Tom Chiverton
> > > Helping to vitalistically leverage sexy products
> > > on: http://thefalken.livejournal.com
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> 



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RE: Adobe ColdFusion IDE survey

[Ben Forta]

Hey, free is a valid option, which is why it is listed there! :-)

--- Ben


-Original Message-
From: Andrew Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 12:48 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Adobe ColdFusion IDE survey

Ben,

When looking at the survey, one of the important things was how much
would you pay.

The one thing that I would like to add to that is I selected free,
only because I couldn't add any reason behind that. My reasoning is
this, Coldfusion is loosing ground in areas that I will not debate
here. However my logic is this, I would love to see Coldfusion itself
100% free and the IDE I would pay for as long as it supported what I
needed to do my job.

So if Adobe was to take on CFEclipse, and throw support at it, I am
prepared to pay for that. I guess to take on .Net and others I would
like to see something that is as comparable to those models.

Anyway I know I can dream :-)


On 1/8/08, Ben Forta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Todd,
>
> You are jumping to conclusions. No one has said that we'll not do what you
> are suggestions. Actually, at this point no one has said anything at all,
> other than A) a CF IDE ranks as one of the top feature requests, B) we'd
> like more input from the community to help drove decision making.  That's
it
> - for now.
>
> --- Ben
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Todd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 11:43 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Adobe ColdFusion IDE survey
>
> Hopefully this won't be yet another ColdFusion Studio "now you see it, now
> you don't."  I don't understand why they don't just throw some money at
> CFEclipse or fix issues inside of DW.  All I see this doing is messing up
> the Adobe Future-CS3 bundles they have.
>
> On Jan 7, 2008 11:36 AM, Tom Chiverton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> > In case no one is reading RSS these days,
> >
> >
>
http://weblogs.macromedia.com/mxna/controller.cfm?handler=PostHandler&action
>
=click&postId=239231&nextPage=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Edcooper%2Eorg%2Fblog%2Fclie
>
nt%2Findex%2Ecfm%3Fmode%3Dentry%26entry%3D54F8B07D%2D4E22%2D1671%2D5D4901CA2
> 8DF6919
> > --
> > Tom Chiverton
> > Helping to vitalistically leverage sexy products
> > on: http://thefalken.livejournal.com
> >
>
>
>
>
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RE: Adobe ColdFusion IDE survey

[Ben Forta]

Claude,

To be brutally blunt, that's far too expensive an option. CF Studio (and
HomeSite) are built in a language that is used for almost nothing else in
the company, and keeping a team of Delphi developers on just for that
product is hard to justify. Plus, the reality is that we've done nothing
with that product in about 8 years, so the catch-up work that would be
required would be immense. We discussed this at MAX in Chicago extensively,
and the consensus seemed to be that a CF IDE needs to either be Eclipse
based (aligned well with Flex Builder and more) or Dreamweaver based (or
possibly both). There are actually quite a few options available to us, and
many have been enumerated already here. The next step is to gather input and
feedback to help determine which option to pursue.

--- Ben




-Original Message-
From: Claude Schneegans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 12:29 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Adobe ColdFusion IDE survey

Why don't they simply continue to support and develop CF Studio ?

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RE: Adobe ColdFusion IDE survey

[Ben Forta]

Todd,

You are jumping to conclusions. No one has said that we'll not do what you
are suggestions. Actually, at this point no one has said anything at all,
other than A) a CF IDE ranks as one of the top feature requests, B) we'd
like more input from the community to help drove decision making.  That's it
- for now.

--- Ben


-Original Message-
From: Todd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 11:43 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Adobe ColdFusion IDE survey

Hopefully this won't be yet another ColdFusion Studio "now you see it, now
you don't."  I don't understand why they don't just throw some money at
CFEclipse or fix issues inside of DW.  All I see this doing is messing up
the Adobe Future-CS3 bundles they have.

On Jan 7, 2008 11:36 AM, Tom Chiverton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> In case no one is reading RSS these days,
>
>
http://weblogs.macromedia.com/mxna/controller.cfm?handler=PostHandler&action
=click&postId=239231&nextPage=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Edcooper%2Eorg%2Fblog%2Fclie
nt%2Findex%2Ecfm%3Fmode%3Dentry%26entry%3D54F8B07D%2D4E22%2D1671%2D5D4901CA2
8DF6919
> --
> Tom Chiverton
> Helping to vitalistically leverage sexy products
> on: http://thefalken.livejournal.com
>




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RE: FCKEditor Integration with CF8 for cftextarea use

[Ben Forta]

Actually, DBML was used in Cold Fusion 1.x only. It became CFML in Cold
Fusion 2, at the same time that CGI was replaced as the default interface in
favor of WSAPI and then NSAPI (ISAPI came much later).

And here's a fun fact for you. The old DBML syntax was supported for many
more versions, including the  tag. ;-)

--- Ben


-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 5:51 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: FCKEditor Integration with CF8 for cftextarea use

> I'm afraid that one went right over my head... "DBML"???

Until CF 3, if I recall correctly, what we now call CFML was called Database
Markup Language, or DBML. CFQUERY was DBQUERY, CFINCLUDE was DBINCLUDE, etc.

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RE: Select different records based on user input.

[Ben Forta]

Do you want to OR or AND those fields?

If OR, the SQL IN clause lets you specify a list if values, something like
WHERE key IN (117,123,141). So, if #cb# is the field  with the list you can
do WHERE key IN (#cb#).

If AND, then just loop through the list and AND conditions.

-- Ben


-Original Message-
From: George Linderman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 9:13 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Select different records based on user input.

Hey guys,

I have a real simple problem here, but unfortunately, I can't seem to figure
it out. I'm developing a site where there are different items that are
listed, by using a loop on a database. Really simple stuff, just looping the
row in the table with the different fields from the database.

Anyway, my client wants to have a checkbox on every item (or record.) When
the user wants to select a few of these items and look at only them, they'd
check the items and press "compare selected." Techincally, all this does is
filter the SQL query with the records that have been selected.

I immediately thought this would be a simple task. All I have to do is loop
the id of each of the checkboxes so that each record's checkbox would have
the value of the record's id. Then I'd submit the selected IDs to a
processor page, which would take the form variable and put it in a query
string towards the main page listing the items. Then the IDs would go into
the WHERE part of the SELECT query, and it would be beautifully filtered.

HOwever, my problem is that when there are more than one checkbox selected,
the value of each is put in a comma delimited list. Hence, if they select
items 117, 123, and 141--the form variable would be 117,123,141. When I put
this into the WHERE part of the query, it doesnt let me. The only way for a
WHERE to have more than one value is to use ANDs, which I can' do since the
commas are preprogrammed.

Not sure if that's understandable or clear, but basically, all I want to do
is filter a query based on several checkboxes that the user will select. An
example of such is here: http://www.transauto.be/car/export.php?chx=12&lg=en


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RE: What is happening to my request variables?

[Ben Forta]

You should not be creating the REQUEST structure with StructNew(), REQUEST
is already there, just assign the variables.

And generally you want to define APPLICATION variables in OnApplicationStart
and SESSION in OnSessionStart.

--- Ben


-Original Message-
From: Ian Skinner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 4:08 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: What is happening to my request variables?

I'm trying to use request variables set in the onRequestStart method of 
an Application.cfc file.  This is not something I do very often.  For 
some reason I can not fathom the variables are not making it to the body 
of the request.  Am I missing some basic understand here?

Application.cfc


   

request = structNew();
request.logout = "test";
request.errorMsg = " ";
request.foobar = true;
session.foobar = true;
application.foobar = true;

  


index.cfm




Session works, Application works, request is empty.  Interestingly on 
another template the request scope is working as expected.

TIA
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RE: To AIR or not to AIR?

[Ben Forta]

AIR apps are indeed desktop apps. But most AIR apps also need back-end
integration (to get to data, send e-mail, authenticate logins ... everything
CF is used for). And ColdFusion can indeed be the back-end for an AIR app,
allowing communication via Web Services, Flash Remoting, as well as via Data
Services.

--- Ben


-Original Message-
From: Scott Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 10:52 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: To AIR or not to AIR?

Meaning that the purpose behind AIR is to make portable Desktop apps out of
web apps (as I understand it, from my brief research). 
When you do this don't you negate any built in ColdFusion functionality. Or
have they built a ColdFusion parser into AIR?

Color me confused but curious

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-Original Message-
From: Andy Matthews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 10:35 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: To AIR or not to AIR?

How do you mean "doesn't work with CF"? 

-Original Message-
From: Scott Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 9:23 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: To AIR or not to AIR?

>From what I understand, AIR really doesn't work with ColdFusion yet..

Am I wrong?

sas

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-Original Message-
From: Cutter (CFRelated) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 4:04 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: To AIR or not to AIR?

You can create HTML AIR applications using the SDK and the Aptana IDE.

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Andy Matthews wrote:
> As far as I understand, to create an AIR application, you must have at
least
> the AIR SDK from Adobe. You don't have to create an AIR app using any 
> of Adobes TOOLS, but to build it requires the SDK which you'd have to 
> run command line.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: d l [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 2:18 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: To AIR or not to AIR?
> 
> I know I need air but do I need Adobe's AIR or not?  Please provide 
> some business case other than the Adobe's sample app links, and better 
> your own AIR app (hopefully not too slow).
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> P.S. I don't have FLEX nor graphics designer's background.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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RE: Coldfusion Consuming a .Net Control

[Ben Forta]

Not really, ASP.NET is not part of the integration story.

Another way to look at it, kinda, is that CF8 integrates with server side
..NET stuff, but not client side .NET stuff, like the ASP.NET UI controls.

--- Ben


-Original Message-
From: Scott Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 12:43 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Coldfusion Consuming a .Net Control

So the .net code would then call whatever controls you wanted to use.
Or is there a complete disconnect between ColdFusion and .Net controls?

Sorry for putting out inaccurate information. :)

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-Original Message-
From: Ben Forta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 12:06 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Coldfusion Consuming a .Net Control

Actually, that won't work. CF8 can consume .NET classes etc. You have access
to the .NET framework and any .NET code you write yourself. But CF cannot
use ASP.NET controls.

I see that Vince also responded, and he is correct.

--- Ben


-Original Message-
From: Scott Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 11:22 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Coldfusion Consuming a .Net Control

You should be able to with CF8.

Call it as a cfobject



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-Original Message-
From: Jose Diaz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 10:34 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Coldfusion Consuming a .Net Control

Hello All,

I have had the following request past onto me:

Can we pass CF a .net 3.0 dll containing a control - say the calendar
control, and then allow CF to consume this dll and display the
calendar.

I am using CF8 and I am aware that BlueDragon could be a possible
answer to this, I was wondering if this is possible with CF8.

The most I have done so far is use cfobject to expose some .net
methods and display the data they return.

Hope this makes sense.

Thanks,

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RE: Coldfusion Consuming a .Net Control

[Ben Forta]

Actually, that won't work. CF8 can consume .NET classes etc. You have access
to the .NET framework and any .NET code you write yourself. But CF cannot
use ASP.NET controls.

I see that Vince also responded, and he is correct.

--- Ben


-Original Message-
From: Scott Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 11:22 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Coldfusion Consuming a .Net Control

You should be able to with CF8.

Call it as a cfobject



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-Original Message-
From: Jose Diaz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 10:34 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Coldfusion Consuming a .Net Control

Hello All,

I have had the following request past onto me:

Can we pass CF a .net 3.0 dll containing a control - say the calendar
control, and then allow CF to consume this dll and display the
calendar.

I am using CF8 and I am aware that BlueDragon could be a possible
answer to this, I was wondering if this is possible with CF8.

The most I have done so far is use cfobject to expose some .net
methods and display the data they return.

Hope this makes sense.

Thanks,

Jose Diaz





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RE: sms

[Ben Forta]

Yes, you need an account with a provider, and ColdFusion essentially logs in
to the network as if it were a phone or a device. See this post for some
links:

http://www.forta.com/blog/index.cfm?mode=entry&entry=A61BC261-3048-80A9-EFAA
F627F9FBAB1E

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-Original Message-
From: Chad Gray [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 12:12 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: sms

Hello,

I would like to make an application that would allow one of our sales reps
to use their cell phone to create a new login/password for a CF application.

How does the cell phone send the data to the CF Event Gateway for SMS?

This must be some kind of service from the phone company that connects to
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RE: Stop View Source

[Ben Forta]

Do you mean the browser view source option, where the client-side code
(HTML, JavaScript, CSS, etc.) can be seen? If so, then yes, there is one way
and one way only to prevent the source from being seen - simply disconnect
your web server from the Internet. Other than that, no.

--- Ben


-Original Message-
From: Richard White [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 11:16 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Stop View Source

Hi,

I remember reading something that said in ColdFusion we can stop people from
viewing the page source code. 

I would appreciate any help as to whether this is this possible and how we
would go about doing it

Thanks

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RE: Galleon page

[Ben Forta]

Just to be fair to Ray, it was not his problem. I moved DNS between servers,
and some of the changes talk longer to propagate than others. But, all seems
to be working now. Sorry about this guys.

--- Ben


-Original Message-
From: mac jordan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 10:37 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Galleon page

On 16/10/2007, mac jordan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Anyone know what's happened to http://galleon.riaforge.org/ ?  I'm getting
> some sort of landing page here.




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RE: OT Sys-con at it again

[Ben Forta]

Oh, I couldn't help myself. :-) No links, but ...

http://www.forta.com/blog/index.cfm/2007/10/12/A-Moment-Of-Silence-For-

--- Ben


-Original Message-
From: Ben Forta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 11:51 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: OT Sys-con at it again

Yep, I am not responding on my blog either. I don't want to give them the
traffic.

But Jason Delmore did respond ...

http://www.cfinsider.com/index.cfm/2007/10/12/Is-Adobe-Officially-killing-Co
ldFusion

--- Ben


-Original Message-
From: Ryan, Terrence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 11:41 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: OT Sys-con at it again

Just saw this today.  http://java.sys-con.com/read/441186.htm 

 

I'm intentionally not blogging it to not give them my (paltry) traffic,
but talk about sour grapes. 

 

I guess none of us can ever leave a job, because according to sys-con,
it means that as we walk out the door our former company or office
EXPOLDES!

 

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RE: OT Sys-con at it again

[Ben Forta]

Yep, I am not responding on my blog either. I don't want to give them the
traffic.

But Jason Delmore did respond ...

http://www.cfinsider.com/index.cfm/2007/10/12/Is-Adobe-Officially-killing-Co
ldFusion

--- Ben


-Original Message-
From: Ryan, Terrence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 11:41 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: OT Sys-con at it again

Just saw this today.  http://java.sys-con.com/read/441186.htm 

 

I'm intentionally not blogging it to not give them my (paltry) traffic,
but talk about sour grapes. 

 

I guess none of us can ever leave a job, because according to sys-con,
it means that as we walk out the door our former company or office
EXPOLDES!

 

Terrence Ryan
I.T. Director
Wharton Computing and Information Technology
3733 Spruce Street
216 Vance Hall 
Philadelphia, PA  19104 
   
E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
Phone:  (215) 898-6705 
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RE: Exporting from ColdFuion to a Excel file

[Ben Forta]

Or, if the data is query data, use  which can output to Excel.

--- Ben


-Original Message-
From: Jerry Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 9:26 PM
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#pageContent#

I assume this will still work on 8

Jerry

On 10/11/07, Steve Sequenzia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Can someone please give me some insight into exporting data to excel using
CF8.
>
> I am having issues with all the code I am trying.
>
> Any help would be great.
>
> Thanks
>
> 



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RE: Security Questions

[Ben Forta]

If what they want is to separate ColdFusion from the web server, then sure,
it is called "distributed mode". While I am not sure I buy into the
assumption that this is more secure, it will do exactly what they want. So,
yes, CF can do, and has done it for years.

--- Ben


-Original Message-
From: Christopher Jordan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 1:57 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Security Questions

Hi folks,

I need some advice. One of our bigger clients has a handful of Java
developers working for them who don't particularly like ColdFusion. While
their initial complaints were that it wasn't open source and that you're
tied to one particular company (thoughts which I quickly squashed), now
they're whispering in the ear of the decision makers that Cold Fusion won't
do "Three Tiered Security".

I just now think I remember asking the group about this once before, but
it's probably worth talking about again. Their idea of the three tiered
security model is that there's a web server, an application server, and a
database server. The web server contains no code, no passwords, and can only
communicate to the application server by virtue of the web server's IP
address, and because the web server is the only machine that knows where the
application server is. Sounds a bit like "security through obscurity" to me,
but what do I know?

Anyway, these Java developers are telling the decision makers at this client
that ColdFusion just isn't secure because it can't do this three tiered
security stuff, but Java can. So they're saying, "why don't you just let us
rewrite everything in Java for you?"

Well, while my little company has never run CF as anything but a windows
service, using CF Standard. We figure that it's written in Java so we ought
to be able to make CF run in this sort of three tiered environment too.

So my questions are:

   * Are these developer's right? Is CF not capable of running this Three
Tiered model, and are we less safe for it?
   * If in fact, CF *can* run in this Three Tiered model, will we need to
upgrade to CF Enterprise to do it?
   * Lots of our code is proceedural, though we've been switching to using
CFCs slowly (not really OO, but rather storing related queries, and
functions in CFCs)
   * What arguments can we make to our client on this subject?
   * Can anyone point me to any articles or other materials online
concerning this topic specific to CF?

Thanks for any help guys and gals. I'm going to cross-this to CF-Talk, so I
apologize in advance for any duplication I may cause.

Chris

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RE: cf8 book by Ben Forta - release date?

[Ben Forta]

Apparently Amazon received a very small initial shipment (just a couple of
hundred books). But a bigger shipment is already on the way to Amazon and
they should have it early next week, which means they should be shipping it
out by the end of next week. I hope.

--- Ben


-Original Message-
From: Scott Slone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 8:54 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: cf8 book by Ben Forta - release date?

Amazon had my ship date for volume one as Sept. 17 until this  
morning, when they changed it to:
Updated Shipping Estimate: November 19, 2007

Two more months!
This is the third change for the ship date, though the published date  
remains Sept. 12.

Has anyone had any luck at brick and mortar/other online stores?

Thanks,
/Scott


On Sep 16, 2007, at 6:21 AM, Ben Forta wrote:

> No, I don't have copies to sell. But I am talking to the publisher and
> Amazon about getting these dates cleared up.
>
> --- Ben





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RE: cf8 book by Ben Forta - release date?

[Ben Forta]

Working on that.

--- Ben


-Original Message-
From: DataPacks.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 10:11 AM
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Subject: RE: cf8 book by Ben Forta - release date?

Hey Ben, will there be a package price for buying all three when they're all
released??

Bill

-Original Message-
From: Ben Forta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: September 16, 2007 9:21 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: cf8 book by Ben Forta - release date?

No, I don't have copies to sell. But I am talking to the publisher and
Amazon about getting these dates cleared up.

--- Ben


-Original Message-
From: Scott Weikert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 11:37 AM
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Subject: Re: cf8 book by Ben Forta - release date?

Since it looks like it's going to take a good while for us to get this book
in our hands...

A question to Ben - any chance folks can acquire the book directly from you
quicker?

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RE: cf8 book by Ben Forta - release date?

[Ben Forta]

No, I don't have copies to sell. But I am talking to the publisher and
Amazon about getting these dates cleared up.

--- Ben


-Original Message-
From: Scott Weikert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 11:37 AM
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Subject: Re: cf8 book by Ben Forta - release date?

Since it looks like it's going to take a good while for us to get this 
book in our hands...

A question to Ben - any chance folks can acquire the book directly from 
you quicker?

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RE: cf8 book by Ben Forta - release date?

[Ben Forta]

Volume 1 is indeed shipping. Volumes 2 and 3 to follow shortly.

--- Ben


-Original Message-
From: David Morgan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 12:33 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: cf8 book by Ben Forta - release date?


Amazon had the date as being today but I called my local store and they have
the date as Oct 15th.  Anyone know a real date when its available?

thx :)

David





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RE: CF8

[Ben Forta]

Um, it sounds like you are asking whether or not you'd get away with
installing the same license on two boxes. 

If you don't want to buy two licenses, but need two servers, you may want to
install CF on top of JRun (on a single box) but create two different
instances. The license does indeed allow that.

--- Ben



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From: Jim H [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 6:25 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: CF8

Does CF8 require activation?  We would like to upgrade to 8, but we would
like to have a development server in place and we are concerned about having
to buy 2 enterprise licenses.

Thanks!

JH 



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