Re: sql 'is numeric' question

[ksuh]

What DB?

- Original Message -
From: "Wurst, Keith D." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 1:33 pm
Subject: sql 'is numeric' question

> does anyone know if you can build in an 'is numeric' validation 
> into a where
> clause of a sql statement? i would also like to check to see if 
> the column
> im working with has 6 digits (places). thanks for the help.
> 
>
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Re: SOT: How do I tell if I got FlashMX "professional"?

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The install file for both versions is the same.

When you enter the appropriate serial number, you will get either a choice of which version to install, or the standard version will install.

- Original Message -
From: Jeff Small <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 12:40 pm
Subject: SOT: How do I tell if I got FlashMX "professional"?

> I just upgraded to StudioMX 2004, purchased from the 
> Macromedia site by our IT guy, and I made sure that I told 
> him I wanted Flash "Professional" as I understood that 
> this one was the one you wanted if you wanted to integrate 
> CF and Flash. When I downloaded it, I noticed that my 
> Flash installer said "Install_Flash_MX_2004.exe". Is this 
> the "professional" version? How does one verify that it's 
> the right one? 
>
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Re: OT: Good beginner cold fusion book

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The Forta one is quite good.  I've had a gander through the latest editions and they've gotten much better over the years.

- Original Message -
From: Rob Rohan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Monday, February 9, 2004 1:27 pm
Subject: OT: Good beginner cold fusion book

> I have a friend who, for some unknown reason, wants to learn CF :).
> 
> Anybody have a recommendation for a good beginning cold fusion 
> book for
> someone without any coding experience? Or perhaps a class in the San
> Francisco Area. I am pretty sure he knows HTML; it would be nice 
> if the
> book covered MX too.
> 
> I figure Ben Forta would have at least a couple (and amazon says he
> does), but I've never read any cold fusion books let alone a beginning
> one so I can't in good conscience recommend any.
> 
> Any input is welcome
> 
> Thanks
> 
> -- 
> Vale,
> Rob
> 
> Luxuria immodica insaniam creat.
> Sanam formam viatae conservate!
> 
> http://www.rohanclan.com
> http://treebeard.sourceforge.net
> http://ashpool.sourceforge.net
> 
>
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Re: SSL redirect

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Yes.

However, end users don't normally know this.  So, most sites will have the entry form ssl'd as well.

- Original Message -
From: Deanna Schneider <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Monday, February 9, 2004 12:39 pm
Subject: Re: SSL redirect

> Cameron,
> So, if you post from non-ssl to ssl, the posted data is still secure?
> 
> -Deanna (who will be dealing with this same issue, shortly)
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Cameron Childress" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 1:29 PM
> Subject: RE: SSL redirect
> 
> 
> > You should be able to leave the form page non-ssl and just post 
> the form
> to
> > https.  Improves performance/speed on the homepage without 
> comprimising> security.
> >
> > -Cameron
> >
> > -
> > Cameron Childress
> > Sumo Consulting Inc
> > ---
> > land:  858.509.3098
> > cell:  678.637.5072
> > aim:   cameroncf
> > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: stas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 10:48 AM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: SSL redirect
> >
> >
> > We have a username/password form fields on the home page and the 
> clientdoes
> > not want these to be sent in clear text. We do have SSL running, 
> but I am
> > trying to figure out how to tell the home page to redirect to 
> the https by
> > default without going into a loop.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> >
> > 
>
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Re: RE: RE: MySQL and CF

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Thanks.  I found their licensing pages on their site; they don't really mention anything about hosted applications.  Is there a specific page with that information on it?

- Original Message -
From: Barney Boisvert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Friday, February 6, 2004 11:15 am
Subject: RE: RE: MySQL and CF

> Only if you distribute MySQL as part of your application.
> 
> If the application runs on your server then you don't need a 
> license.  If
> you distribute the application for clients to install on their 
> servers, and
> you require that they have MySQL installed to run you app, then 
> it's kind of
> grey, but I would say you probably DON'T need a license, 
> especially if the
> binding from your app to a MySQL database is minimal (no native 
> functionlibraries, etc).  If you distribute an installer package 
> that installs your
> app and MySQL in one fell swoop, then you definitely need a commercial
> license.
> 
> Note, I'm not a lawyer, just a code monkey.  However, I'm quite 
> confident my
> interpretation is very close accurate.
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 9:59 AM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: Re: RE: MySQL and CF
> > 
> > But if I create an application that uses mySQL for profit, I 
> > must obtain a mySQL commercial license, correct?  Or not?
> 
>
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Re: RE: RE: MySQL and CF

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Phew :)

Ok, I feel better now.  Thanks guys.

- Original Message -
From: Tom Kitta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Friday, February 6, 2004 11:11 am
Subject: RE: RE: MySQL and CF

> You mean that you just created CFML application that uses mySQL as 
> a backend
> and sell that application, right? Then as long as you don't 
> distribute mySQL
> with it (for any small app 99% of cases you would not) I 
> understand that GPL
> does not require you to show your code to anyone you don't wish to 
> show it
> too. Also, same thing holds for websites that use mySQL as a backend.
> Otherwise mySQL would be only useful for strictly non-commercial
> applications and it would simply be useless to most people.
> 
> TK
> 
> [Tom Kitta]
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 12:59 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: RE: MySQL and CF
> 
> 
>  But if I create an application that uses mySQL for profit, I 
> must obtain a
> mySQL commercial license, correct?  Or not?
> 
>  - Original Message -
>  From: Barney Boisvert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  Date: Friday, February 6, 2004 10:39 am
>  Subject: RE: MySQL and CF
> 
>  > It seems there's some disagreement about what the GPL means.
>  > MySQL is
>  > distributed under the GPL, so MySQL AB can't add any restrictions
>  > on use
>  > beyond what are already in the license.  If you need to do things
>  > that the
>  > GPL doesn't let you (like distribute MySQL as part of a non-GPL
>  > softwarepackage, or distribute a modified version of MySQL under
>  > non-GPL license),
>  > then MySQL AB also provides commercial licenses for your use.
>  >
>  > In general, as long as you're not distributing software, the GPL
>  > is very
>  > thin on limitations.  And even if you are distributing something
>  > that is
>  > based on or derived from MySQL, you're not limited to a GPL
>  > license for that
>  > software as long as it can be considered "reasonably considered
>  > independentand separate works in themselves" (from subsection 
> 2 of
>  > the Terms section).
>  >
>  > Someone pointed out that as long as your app is not strictly 
> bound to
>  > MySQL-specific syntax (LIMIT clause, for example), then you're
>  > safe from
>  > licensing restrictions.  Even if your code uses MySQL-specific
>  > syntax, that
>  > doesn't necessarily bind it either.  As long as your code can be
>  > consideredit's own separate work (and is distributed separately),
>  > then you're fine.
>  > On the flip side, if you have purely non-MySQL-specific
>  > application code,
>  > but you distribute it bundled with MySQL, then you ARE bound by
>  > the GPL,
>  > even though your app is totally independent of MySQL.
>  >
>  > Cheers,
>  > barneyb
>  >
>  > > -Original Message-
>  > > From: Vince Bonfanti [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  > > Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 8:06 AM
>  > > To: CF-Talk
>  > > Subject: RE: MySQL and CF
>  > >
>  > > Not to comment at all on its technical merits, anyone using
>  > > MySQL should be
>  > > familiar with their licensing terms. Specifically, MySQL is
>  > > *not* free for
>  > > commercial development. If you use MySQL for a commercial
>  > > product and don't
>  > > purchase a commercial license, then you run the risk of
>  > inadvertently> releasing your source code for free.
>  > >
>  > > MySQL is released under GPL, unlike Linux, for example, which
>  > > is released
>  > > under LGPL. Under the LGPL, if you write an application that
>  > > runs on Linux
>  > > you can redistribute that application without releasing the
>  > > source code.
>  > > Under the GPL, however, if you release an application that
>  > > runs on MySQL,
>  > > then you must release the source code of your application.
>  > >
>  > > Here are the relevant quotes from the MySQL licensing page on
>  > > their web
>  > > site:
>  > >
>  > > http://www.mysql.com/products/licensing.html
>  > >
>  > > Regarding their Open Source license, which is the GPL:
>  > >
>  > > "The Open Source License allows you to use the software
>  > > at no charge
>  > > under the condition that if you use MySQL in an application you
>  > > redistribute, the complete source code for your application 
> must be
>  > > available and freely redistributable under reasonable 
> conditions."  > >
>  > > If you don't want to release the source code of your
>  > > application, you must
>  > > purchase a commercial license:
>  > >
>  > > "The Commercial License, which allows you to provide
>  > > commercial software
>  > > licenses to your customers or distribute MySQL-based
>  > > applications within
>  > > your organization. This is for organizations that do not want
>  > > to release the
>  > > source code for their applications as open source / free
>  > > software; in other
>  > > words they do not want to comply with the GNU General Public
>  > > License (GPL)."
>  > >
>  > > Note that it's not just the MySQL database that's covered under
>  > th

Re: RE: MySQL and CF

[ksuh]

But if I create an application that uses mySQL for profit, I must obtain a mySQL commercial license, correct?  Or not?

- Original Message -
From: Barney Boisvert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Friday, February 6, 2004 10:39 am
Subject: RE: MySQL and CF

> It seems there's some disagreement about what the GPL means.  
> MySQL is
> distributed under the GPL, so MySQL AB can't add any restrictions 
> on use
> beyond what are already in the license.  If you need to do things 
> that the
> GPL doesn't let you (like distribute MySQL as part of a non-GPL 
> softwarepackage, or distribute a modified version of MySQL under 
> non-GPL license),
> then MySQL AB also provides commercial licenses for your use.
> 
> In general, as long as you're not distributing software, the GPL 
> is very
> thin on limitations.  And even if you are distributing something 
> that is
> based on or derived from MySQL, you're not limited to a GPL 
> license for that
> software as long as it can be considered "reasonably considered 
> independentand separate works in themselves" (from subsection 2 of 
> the Terms section).
> 
> Someone pointed out that as long as your app is not strictly bound to
> MySQL-specific syntax (LIMIT clause, for example), then you're 
> safe from
> licensing restrictions.  Even if your code uses MySQL-specific 
> syntax, that
> doesn't necessarily bind it either.  As long as your code can be 
> consideredit's own separate work (and is distributed separately), 
> then you're fine.
> On the flip side, if you have purely non-MySQL-specific 
> application code,
> but you distribute it bundled with MySQL, then you ARE bound by 
> the GPL,
> even though your app is totally independent of MySQL.
> 
> Cheers,
> barneyb
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Vince Bonfanti [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 8:06 AM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: RE: MySQL and CF
> > 
> > Not to comment at all on its technical merits, anyone using 
> > MySQL should be
> > familiar with their licensing terms. Specifically, MySQL is 
> > *not* free for
> > commercial development. If you use MySQL for a commercial 
> > product and don't
> > purchase a commercial license, then you run the risk of 
> inadvertently> releasing your source code for free.
> > 
> > MySQL is released under GPL, unlike Linux, for example, which 
> > is released
> > under LGPL. Under the LGPL, if you write an application that 
> > runs on Linux
> > you can redistribute that application without releasing the 
> > source code.
> > Under the GPL, however, if you release an application that 
> > runs on MySQL,
> > then you must release the source code of your application.
> > 
> > Here are the relevant quotes from the MySQL licensing page on 
> > their web
> > site:
> > 
> > http://www.mysql.com/products/licensing.html
> > 
> > Regarding their Open Source license, which is the GPL:
> > 
> > "The Open Source License allows you to use the software 
> > at no charge
> > under the condition that if you use MySQL in an application you
> > redistribute, the complete source code for your application must be
> > available and freely redistributable under reasonable conditions."
> > 
> > If you don't want to release the source code of your 
> > application, you must
> > purchase a commercial license:
> > 
> > "The Commercial License, which allows you to provide 
> > commercial software
> > licenses to your customers or distribute MySQL-based 
> > applications within
> > your organization. This is for organizations that do not want 
> > to release the
> > source code for their applications as open source / free 
> > software; in other
> > words they do not want to comply with the GNU General Public 
> > License (GPL)."
> > 
> > Note that it's not just the MySQL database that's covered under 
> these> license terms--they also apply to the MySQL JDBC and ODBC 
> > drivers. (This is
> > the reason BlueDragon no longer ships the MySQL JDBC driver).
> > 
> > So if you use MySQL--be careful. If you don't purchase a 
> > commercial license,
> > anyone can demand that you give them your source code under 
> > the terms of the
> > GPL license.
> > 
> > Vince Bonfanti
> > New Atlanta Communications, LLC
> > http://www.newatlanta.com
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
>
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Re: RE: jRockit

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Ah, maybe that was it.

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From: Dave Watts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Friday, February 6, 2004 9:50 am
Subject: RE: jRockit

> > Hmm, did 6.0 use IBM's?  I distinctly remember reading 
> > something about that.
> 
> No, it didn't, although it did use Jikes for something or other.
> 
> Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
> http://www.figleaf.com/
> phone: 202-797-5496
> fax: 202-797-5444
> 
>
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RE: MySQL and CF

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Yikes!  Well, I'll never be using mySQL again.

- Original Message -
From: Vince Bonfanti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Friday, February 6, 2004 9:05 am
Subject: RE: MySQL and CF

> Not to comment at all on its technical merits, anyone using MySQL 
> should be
> familiar with their licensing terms. Specifically, MySQL is *not* 
> free for
> commercial development. If you use MySQL for a commercial product 
> and don't
> purchase a commercial license, then you run the risk of inadvertently
> releasing your source code for free.
> 
> MySQL is released under GPL, unlike Linux, for example, which is 
> releasedunder LGPL. Under the LGPL, if you write an application 
> that runs on Linux
> you can redistribute that application without releasing the source 
> code.Under the GPL, however, if you release an application that 
> runs on MySQL,
> then you must release the source code of your application.
> 
> Here are the relevant quotes from the MySQL licensing page on 
> their web
> site:
> 
>    http://www.mysql.com/products/licensing.html
> 
> Regarding their Open Source license, which is the GPL:
> 
>    "The Open Source License allows you to use the software at no 
> chargeunder the condition that if you use MySQL in an application you
> redistribute, the complete source code for your application must be
> available and freely redistributable under reasonable conditions."
> 
> If you don't want to release the source code of your application, 
> you must
> purchase a commercial license:
> 
>    "The Commercial License, which allows you to provide 
> commercial software
> licenses to your customers or distribute MySQL-based applications 
> withinyour organization. This is for organizations that do not 
> want to release the
> source code for their applications as open source / free software; 
> in other
> words they do not want to comply with the GNU General Public 
> License (GPL)."
> 
> Note that it's not just the MySQL database that's covered under these
> license terms--they also apply to the MySQL JDBC and ODBC drivers. 
> (This is
> the reason BlueDragon no longer ships the MySQL JDBC driver).
> 
> So if you use MySQL--be careful. If you don't purchase a 
> commercial license,
> anyone can demand that you give them your source code under the 
> terms of the
> GPL license.
> 
> Vince Bonfanti
> New Atlanta Communications, LLC
> http://www.newatlanta.com
> 
> 
> 
>
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Re: jRockit

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Hmm, did 6.0 use IBM's?  I distinctly remember reading something about that.

Oh well, maybe I'm just on crack :)

- Original Message -
From: Christian Cantrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Friday, February 6, 2004 8:59 am
Subject: Re: jRockit

> On Feb 6, 2004, at 8:58 AM, Kwang Suh wrote:
> 
> > CFMX comes with and uses the IBM JRE, not Sun's.
> 
> JRun and ColdFusion use Sun's JRE.
> 
> IBM's can be found here:
> 
> http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/java/jdk/index.html
> 
> Christian
> 
>
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Re: RE: XML storage

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Remove the periods at the end of the links.

- Original Message -
From: Tom Kitta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thursday, February 5, 2004 1:01 pm
Subject: RE: XML storage

> Matt, I have checked all of your links and none of them lead to 
> articles you
> mentioned.
> 
> TK
>  -Original Message-
>  From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 4:02 PM
>  To: CF-Talk
>  Subject: XML storage
> 
> 
>  I would normally responsd to specific messages, but I am away 
> from my
>  email client. However, I wanted to address the question in 
> regard to XML
>  storage as well as the responses.
> 
>  First, storing XML in an RDBMS is not a good idea. See my 
> article on the
>  subject at http://builder.com.com/5100-6388-1051795.html.
> 
>  Next, if you are interested in storing XML in a native XML 
> database then
>  do take a look at Apache Xindice. See my article on the subject at
>  http://www.devx.com/xml/article/9796. The Java code used in the 
> article  was written in a way to be used easily from CFML. I even 
> created a CFC
>  wrapper for it, but I seem to have lost it somewhere along the way.
>  Although, I do remember sharing it with a list at some point so 
> an archive
>  may very well have it.
> 
>  Finally, you should also be aware of a project I am 
> participating in named
>  Tahoe at http://sourceforge.net/projects/tahoe. I am currently 
> work on
>  adding support for LDAP, which is often a better place to store 
> XML then
>  an RDBMS because of its hierarchical query engine.
> 
>  -Matt
> 
>
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Re: RE: OT: Windows 2003 - unknown file extension

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Hmm, try this out:

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url="">

- Original Message -
From: Sean McCarthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wednesday, February 4, 2004 10:22 am
Subject: RE: OT: Windows 2003 - unknown file extension

> I had a feeling...  I tried the application/x-unknown it still 
> didnt prompt
> me.  It is now returning a 500 server message though.  I called 
> webex they
> said the mime type would be application/octet-stream
> but that didnt work either.
> 
> Any other mime types i could try?
> 
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Sean
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 11:35 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: OT: Windows 2003 - unknown file extension
> 
> 
> Oh, and try a mime type of application/x-unknown.
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Wednesday, February 4, 2004 9:26 am
> Subject: Re: OT: Windows 2003 - unknown file extension
> 
> > Yup, in IIS6, unknown file extensions are never served.
> > 
> > You'll have to set up a mime type for that extension.  That'll 
> fix it.
> > 
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Sean McCarthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Date: Wednesday, February 4, 2004 9:23 am
> > Subject: OT: Windows 2003 - unknown file extension
> > 
> > > We have some webex files (.wrf) hosted internally on our 
> > > webserver.  When a
> > > user requests a .wrf file the url is configured as follows:
> > > 
> > > 
> >
> ">http://aCompany.webex.com/aCompany/playback.php?FileName=http://myIntranet
> .a
> 
> a> > Company.com/eLearning/Webcasts/Forms.wrf
> > > 
> >
> 
> > aCompany.com/eLearning/Webcasts/Forms.wrf> 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > The first part of the url sends the request to webex to check 
> to 
> > > see if the
> > > user has the plugin for playback.  The second half loads the 
> > > internallyhosted file into the users webex player.
> > > 
> > > Now heres the kicker.
> > > 
> > > On windows 2000 server (IIS 5) everything works fine.  On 
> > windows 
> > > 2003 (iis
> > > 6) I get a connection failed message in the webex player.
> > > 
> > > After further investigation I have found that when requesting 
> a 
> > > file with an
> > > unknow extension on IIS 5 it will prompt the user to 'open or 
> > save 
> > > to disk'.
> > > Examlple:
> > > 
> > 
> ">http://myIntranet2000SERVER.aCompany.com/eLearning/Webcasts/Forms.wrf<" target="l">http://myIntranet2000SERVER.aCompany.com/eLearning/Webcasts/Forms.wrf> > <"
> 
> > > target="l">" 
> >
> target="l">http://myIntranet2000SERVER.aCompany.com/eLearning/Webcasts/Forms
> .wrf> 
> > > 
> > > On IIS 6.0 when a file is requested with an unknown file type. 
> 
> > It 
> > > returns a
> > > 'page cannot be found'
> > > Examlple:
> > > 
> > 
> ">http://myIntranet2003SERVER.aCompany.com/eLearning/Webcasts/Forms.wrf<" target="l">http://myIntranet2003SERVER.aCompany.com/eLearning/Webcasts/Forms.wrf> > <"
> 
> > > target="l">" 
> >
> target="l">http://myIntranet2003SERVER.aCompany.com/eLearning/Webcasts/Forms
> .wrf> 
> > > 
> > > I believe this is why the webex player ends up with a 
> connection 
> > > failedmessage.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Does anyone know how to force a unknown file extension on IIS 
> 6 
> > to 
> > > work as
> > > it did in IIS 5?
> > > 
> > > I attempted to create a bogus MIME type in IIS 6 thinking that 
> > may 
> > > force the
> > > user to be prompted with the 'open or save to disk' but it 
> didnt 
> > > work.  
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Any other ideas??
> > > 
> > > Thanks for your input.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Sean
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
>  _  
> 
> 
>
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Re: OT: Windows 2003 - unknown file extension

[ksuh]

Oh, and try a mime type of application/x-unknown.

- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wednesday, February 4, 2004 9:26 am
Subject: Re: OT: Windows 2003 - unknown file extension

> Yup, in IIS6, unknown file extensions are never served.
> 
> You'll have to set up a mime type for that extension.  That'll fix it.
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Sean McCarthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Wednesday, February 4, 2004 9:23 am
> Subject: OT: Windows 2003 - unknown file extension
> 
> > We have some webex files (.wrf) hosted internally on our 
> > webserver.  When a
> > user requests a .wrf file the url is configured as follows:
> > 
> > 
> http://aCompany.webex.com/aCompany/playback.php?FileName=http://myIntranet.a> Company.com/eLearning/Webcasts/Forms.wrf
> > 
>  aCompany.com/eLearning/Webcasts/Forms.wrf> 
> > 
> > 
> > The first part of the url sends the request to webex to check to 
> > see if the
> > user has the plugin for playback.  The second half loads the 
> > internallyhosted file into the users webex player.
> > 
> > Now heres the kicker.
> > 
> > On windows 2000 server (IIS 5) everything works fine.  On 
> windows 
> > 2003 (iis
> > 6) I get a connection failed message in the webex player.
> > 
> > After further investigation I have found that when requesting a 
> > file with an
> > unknow extension on IIS 5 it will prompt the user to 'open or 
> save 
> > to disk'.
> > Examlple:
> > 
> http://myIntranet2000SERVER.aCompany.com/eLearning/Webcasts/Forms.wrf> <" 
> > target="l">" 
> target="l">http://myIntranet2000SERVER.aCompany.com/eLearning/Webcasts/Forms.wrf> 
> > 
> > On IIS 6.0 when a file is requested with an unknown file type.  
> It 
> > returns a
> > 'page cannot be found'
> > Examlple:
> > 
> http://myIntranet2003SERVER.aCompany.com/eLearning/Webcasts/Forms.wrf> <" 
> > target="l">" 
> target="l">http://myIntranet2003SERVER.aCompany.com/eLearning/Webcasts/Forms.wrf> 
> > 
> > I believe this is why the webex player ends up with a connection 
> > failedmessage.
> > 
> > 
> > Does anyone know how to force a unknown file extension on IIS 6 
> to 
> > work as
> > it did in IIS 5?
> > 
> > I attempted to create a bogus MIME type in IIS 6 thinking that 
> may 
> > force the
> > user to be prompted with the 'open or save to disk' but it didnt 
> > work.  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Any other ideas??
> > 
> > Thanks for your input.
> > 
> > 
> > Sean
> > 
> > 
>
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Re: OT: Windows 2003 - unknown file extension

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Yup, in IIS6, unknown file extensions are never served.

You'll have to set up a mime type for that extension.  That'll fix it.

- Original Message -
From: Sean McCarthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wednesday, February 4, 2004 9:23 am
Subject: OT: Windows 2003 - unknown file extension

> We have some webex files (.wrf) hosted internally on our 
> webserver.  When a
> user requests a .wrf file the url is configured as follows:
> 
> http://aCompany.webex.com/aCompany/playback.php?FileName=http://myIntranet.a
> Company.com/eLearning/Webcasts/Forms.wrf
> 
> aCompany.com/eLearning/Webcasts/Forms.wrf> 
> 
> 
> The first part of the url sends the request to webex to check to 
> see if the
> user has the plugin for playback.  The second half loads the 
> internallyhosted file into the users webex player.
> 
> Now heres the kicker.
> 
> On windows 2000 server (IIS 5) everything works fine.  On windows 
> 2003 (iis
> 6) I get a connection failed message in the webex player.
> 
> After further investigation I have found that when requesting a 
> file with an
> unknow extension on IIS 5 it will prompt the user to 'open or save 
> to disk'.
> Examlple:
> http://myIntranet2000SERVER.aCompany.com/eLearning/Webcasts/Forms.wrf
> <" 
> target="l">http://myIntranet2000SERVER.aCompany.com/eLearning/Webcasts/Forms.wrf> 
> 
> On IIS 6.0 when a file is requested with an unknown file type.  It 
> returns a
> 'page cannot be found'
> Examlple:
> http://myIntranet2003SERVER.aCompany.com/eLearning/Webcasts/Forms.wrf
> <" 
> target="l">http://myIntranet2003SERVER.aCompany.com/eLearning/Webcasts/Forms.wrf> 
> 
> I believe this is why the webex player ends up with a connection 
> failedmessage.
> 
> 
> Does anyone know how to force a unknown file extension on IIS 6 to 
> work as
> it did in IIS 5?
> 
> I attempted to create a bogus MIME type in IIS 6 thinking that may 
> force the
> user to be prompted with the 'open or save to disk' but it didnt 
> work.  
> 
> 
> 
> Any other ideas??
> 
> Thanks for your input.
> 
> 
> Sean
> 
>
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Re: HTML getting converted problem.

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Try this out:

http://www.cflib.org/udf.cfm?ID=800

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From: Ketan Patel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 12:22 pm
Subject: HTML getting converted problem.

> Hi All,
> I have a problem with HTML conversion. I am perfoming a XML 
> Service call and
> when I get back the results I get all the HTML in the results 
> converted.eg:  is converted to 
> 
> Following is a example of my results returned:
> 
> From Birmingham Int'l Airport: 
> to I-459
> South. 
> Go right heading east and go down two miles.  
> located on
> the right-hand side.
> 
> 
> Any help in converting back to original HTML format will be 
> helpfull or is
> ther any way I can say in my XML call that preserve HTML.
> 
> 
> Ketan Patel
> 
> 
>
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Re: (OT) Best streaming video type

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Windows Media Encoder is free, but you have to do a lot of very annoying checking to make sure you render the correct browser to the client for the version of windows media you encoded with.  OTOH, you can protect your media files somewhat by using ASX files to stream your videos.  And you can be fairly certain that the client has Windows Media 6.4 installed at least.

Quicktime streams too, but the files are huge.

Flash video is quite nice, but requires the Flash player.  The encoder is free, IIRC.

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From: "Burns, John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thursday, January 22, 2004 1:02 pm
Subject: RE: Re: (OT) Best streaming video type

> Or real media?  And you can generate .ram files automatically to make
> the files stream.  I think the question really falls to what 
> client app
> most of your audience is going to have installed on their machines.
> 
> John 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: brobborb [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 3:08 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Re: (OT) Best streaming video type
> 
> or ASF? :-D or WMV?
> 
>  - Original Message -
>  From: Mike Brunt
>  To: CF-Talk
>  Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 2:35 PM
>  Subject: RE: Re: (OT) Best streaming video type
> 
> 
>  What about FLV Michael.
> 
>  Kind Regards - Mike Brunt
> 
>  Original Message ---
>  hmmm, MPG
> 
>    - Original Message - 
>    From: Michael Dinowitz 
>    To: CF-Talk 
>    Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 1:50 PM
>    Subject: (OT) Best streaming video type
> 
>    I'm looking at a CF app to upload a video file to a server and 
> thenallow
>    people to view it. I know some video file types automatically 
> streamand
>    others don't. What is the best type for an app like this?
>    Thanks
> 
> 
>
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Re: OT: printing from web

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You can use CSS to define a different style sheet for printing.

Or you can create a printer friendly template that you can use as well.

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From: "Jones, Becky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thursday, January 22, 2004 1:00 pm
Subject: OT: printing from web

> this is sort of off topic but i hope u can help.
> does anyone know how to programmatically remove the header and 
> footer from a web page when you print?  
> 
> thanks for your help
> bec.
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Re: RE: cf administrator + odbc

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Yes, the developer edition installs both the server and client tools in XP.  I've done it myself.

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From: "Burns, John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thursday, January 15, 2004 11:16 am
Subject: RE: cf administrator + odbc

> Oh, so it has to be the developer's edition?  I know I've tried it in
> the past with a full version and it says that you can only install the
> client tools on XP.  I'll have to try it when I get home and see 
> if it
> works for me.  If anyone has a sure answer on this, please let me 
> know.
> John 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Dave Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 12:53 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: cf administrator + odbc
> 
> > How'd you get SQL server 2000 running on a Win XP machine? I 
> thought 
> > when you tried installing the sql 2k server on win xp it told 
> you that
> 
> > it couldn't install on that OS?
> 
> I'm pretty sure that the developers' version will install on XP.
> 
> Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
> http://www.figleaf.com/
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> fax: (202) 797-5444
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Re: RE: cf administrator + odbc

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SQL Server 2000 installs fine on XP.

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From: "Burns, John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thursday, January 15, 2004 10:37 am
Subject: RE: cf administrator + odbc

> How'd you get SQL server 2000 running on a Win XP machine?  I thought
> when you tried installing the sql 2k server on win xp it told you that
> it couldn't install on that OS? 
> 
> John Burns
> 
> PS- Sorry I don't have any help for your initial question. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Won Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 12:30 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: cf administrator + odbc
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> Looking through macromedia.com but not having too much luck on this.
> I'm trying to create an ODBC connection from my cf 5.0 running on 
> redhat9.0 to my sql server 2000 running on a win 2k3 machine.
> I'm confused because my cf server can create an ODBC connection to
> another sql server 2000 server on a win xp machine.
> 
> I not only created a user but also tried the sa account in the
> cfsettings.
> Am I missing something?
> 
> 
> 
>
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Re:

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It becomes a session cookie.

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Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 10:44 am
Subject: 

> If you set a cookie with
> 
> what expiration is given to that cookie ?
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Re: OT: C# equivalent of CFDUMP

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Do you mean asp.net?  If so, turn on tracing on in your web.config file.

- Original Message -
From: Thomas Chiverton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thursday, January 8, 2004 10:42 am
Subject: Re: OT: C# equivalent of CFDUMP

> On Thursday 08 Jan 2004 16:21 pm, Mauricio Giraldo wrote:
> > is there an equivalent to cfdump in c#?
> 
> printf :-)
> 
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Re: Create PDF (without CFEXECUTE)

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Dunno about iText, but this is super easy with XSLFO :)

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From: Bryan Stevenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2004 12:42 pm
Subject: Re: Create PDF (without CFEXECUTE)

> While we're on the dynamic PDF generation topis...does anybody 
> know (perhaps using iText) how to add a header/footer to each page 
> (assuming an unknown number of pages...all depends on amount of data)?
> 
> TIA
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
> VP & Director of E-Commerce Development
> Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
> t. 250.920.8830
> e. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
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>  - Original Message - 
>  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>  To: CF-Talk 
>  Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 11:28 AM
>  Subject: Re: Create PDF (without CFEXECUTE)
> 
> 
>  I have used XSL-FO with great success using CF.  It's quite nice 
> in that you can use CSS syntax for styles and a fairly simple XML 
> markup language for creating the templates.
> 
>  Do a google search for coldfusion and XSLFO, I'm fairly certain 
> there's some tutorials and code out there for you to use.
> 
>  - Original Message -
>  From: Spectrum WebDesign <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2004 10:48 am
>  Subject: Create PDF (without CFEXECUTE)
> 
>  > What's the best choice (maybe open source) to create PDF files 
> on-
>  > the-fly with CF MX?
>  > 
>  > 
>  > 
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Re: Create PDF (without CFEXECUTE)

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I have used XSL-FO with great success using CF.  It's quite nice in that you can use CSS syntax for styles and a fairly simple XML markup language for creating the templates.

Do a google search for coldfusion and XSLFO, I'm fairly certain there's some tutorials and code out there for you to use.

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From: Spectrum WebDesign <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2004 10:48 am
Subject: Create PDF (without CFEXECUTE)

> What's the best choice (maybe open source) to create PDF files on-
> the-fly with CF MX?
> 
> 
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Re: RE: Regex Help

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The best way to reduce bandwidth consumption is to use http compression.

- Original Message -
From: Ryan Edgar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2004 3:05 pm
Subject: RE: Regex Help

> Yes I'm removing whitespace to reduce page size.
> I inherited a CF5 project with huge amounts of modules and 
> includes and the
> whitespace generated was unbelieveable.
> The size of the page source alone on most pages was in and around 
> 70k. When
> I removed the whitespace, this dropped to around 20k.
> The client has strict bandwidth utilisation rules, so anything I 
> can do to
> drop the page size is important.
> 
> Thanks for your help.
> 
> Ryan
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Ben Doom [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, 7 January 2004 2:24 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Regex Help
> 
> 
> With regular expressions, it tends to much, much harder to say "do 
> thiswhen a condition is false" than "do this when a condition is 
> true".
> One option that would at least fix the problem with the scripts 
> (thoughnot the textareas or the PRE blocks) would be to replace 
> [[:space:]]with a class of space and tab.  This wouldn't remove 
> line breaks.
> 
> Peter's suggestion of searching through some regex libraries is a good
> one.  You may find something you could modify.
> 
> To get a better grip on the problem, can I ask why you're removing
> whitespace?  Is this just to reduce page size?  Or is there a reason
> I've overlooked?
> 
> --Ben Doom
> 
> Ryan Edgar wrote:
> 
> > I've written a simple Regex to remove all the whitespace from my
> templates:
> >
> > 
> ", "ALL")>
> >
> > The problem I'm having is if there is _javascript_ on a page and 
> there are
> > inline comments, the _javascript_ won't work.
> >
> > alert('Hello'); // 1st line comment
> > alert('Is anyone there?'); // 2nd line comment
> >
> > becomes:
> >
> > alert('Hello'); // 1st line comment alert('Is anyone there?'); 
> // 2nd line
> > comment
> >
> > Is there any way I can tell the Regex to ignore
> > (.*) ?
> > The same problem also exists with TEXTAREA and PRE where I want 
> to keep
> text
> > formatting in place.
> >
> > I've looked through the archives high and low but haven't been 
> able to
> find
> > anything, so any help at all would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> > TIA,
> >
> > Ryan Edgar
> >
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Re: RE: CFCACHE in Static Pages

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In addition to what Dave said, if you really want the ultimate in static page delivery performance, you can actually get servers now that serve only static pages.  They're a very simple web server; the upside being that since they are so featureless, they have less concerns with security.

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From: Dave Watts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thursday, January 1, 2004 1:43 pm
Subject: RE: CFCACHE in Static Pages

> > we're developing a CMS writing static pages from DB data. No secret.
> > But, for improving performance, we're looking for cache 
> solutions for
> > that static pages.
> >
> > Our CMS works like:
> >
> > - get data from DB
> > - with cfcontent and cffile create static pages
> > - every time any data is change(menu or content) ALL static 
> pages is
> > generated
> >
> > Is possible cache all static pages for fast load?
> >
> > How to do that?
> 
> If your "static pages" are really that - static HTML files that aren't
> processed by your application server - caching won't be an issue 
> for you.
> 
> If your CMS doesn't require personalization or application-based 
> security,why not just have it write out static HTML pages to the 
> filesystem, and let
> your web server serve those static files directly?
> 
> Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
> http://www.figleaf.com/
> phone: 202-797-5496
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> 
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Re: RE: Joining the dark side - using DWMX

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Well, after using DWMX for some editing last day, I do have to say that the design view still needs some work.  It still doesn't render properly for some things.

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From: Daniel O'Keefe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 8:52 am
Subject: RE: Joining the dark side - using DWMX

> As long as the settlement comes through from the class action 
> lawsuit regarding ALLR stock.
> 
> Dan
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Daniel Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 12:43 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Joining the dark side - using DWMX
> 
> 
> ALLAIRE FOREVER!
> 
>  - Original Message - 
>  From: Daniel Farmer 
>  To: CF-Talk 
>  Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 12:38 PM
>  Subject: Re: Joining the dark side - using DWMX
> 
>  ALLAIRE RULES
>    - Original Message - 
>    From: Dave Watts 
>    To: CF-Talk 
>    Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 12:43 PM
>    Subject: RE: Joining the dark side - using DWMX
> 
>    > CFS5 Kicks DWMX ass anytime. It is faster and more stable. I 
>    > don't care what hardware you are on - the bottom line is 
> that 
>    > CFS5 is faster than DWMX on any hardware.
> 
>    We're talking about a text editor, not a compiler. How fast 
> does it have to
>    be? On my laptop (which is hardly a blazing machine) 
> Dreamweaver MX 2004
>    runs well enough that it doesn't slow me down any.
> 
>    In exchange, it gives me a usable design view, templates, an 
> incredibly    powerful search and replace interface, and all sorts 
> of other stuff I find
>    very helpful.
> 
>    There are plenty of things I don't like about Dreamweaver, but 
> they're    outweighed by the good things in my opinion. For that 
> matter, there were
>    plenty of things I didn't like about CF Studio - it's not like 
> that was
>    God's gift to text editing, either.
> 
>    Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
>    http://www.figleaf.com/
>    voice: (202) 797-5496
>    fax: (202) 797-5444 
>  _  
> 
> 
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Re: Quiz builder?

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Thanks.  Will download now! :)

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From: Doug White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Friday, December 19, 2003 5:38 pm
Subject: Re: Quiz builder?

> It is part of the Macromedia DRK and is described on the 
> Macromedia Web site.
> 
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> - Original Message - 
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 6:07 PM
> Subject: Re: Quiz builder?
> 
> 
> | Say, do you have a link for this?  I searched google and mm and 
> didn't find
> anything,
> |
> | - Original Message -
> | From: Doug White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> | Date: Friday, December 19, 2003 4:01 pm
> | Subject: Re: Quiz builder?
> |
> | > Have you looked at FlashMX Virtual Classroom?   It makes awesome
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> | > - Original Message - 
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> | > Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 4:59 PM
> | > Subject: Re: Quiz builder?
> | >
> | >
> | > | Joe Hobson wrote:
> | > | >I've been looking for a nice quiz/test builder for an online
> | > course >system
> | > |
> | > | I've got this built into the user-friendly form builder in
> | > CMPro.  Its
> | > something I built for a client's online continuing education and
> | > left in the
> | > retail product.  It was meant to run the whole show, though; a
> | > basic course
> | > management system whereby instructors can create content for their
> | > students, and
> | > where everyone has to be permissioned properly to see or edit
> | > stuff (i.e.
> | > instructors can only edit their own stuff, students can only see
> | > what they've
> | > signed up for).
> | > |
> | > | If a student passes a test a course completion certificate can
> | > be gotten hold
> | > of; the user has a course list showing what courses they have
> | > enrolled in etc.
> | > etc.  Questions can be weighted so you don't have to have an
> | > absolute right or
> | > wrong answer.
> | > |
> | > | Police officers should:
> | > | A. Protect and serve the public trust  +100
> | > | B. Lay off the donuts and eat right  +5
> | > | C. Polish their badges until shiny  +0
> | > | D. Shoot first and ask questions later  -100
> | > |
> | > | It'll also accept and evaluate case sensitive/insensitive text
> | > input.|
> | > | The demo is offline as we get ready to roll out CMProV.3.  I can
> | > arrange for a
> | > private one if you like.  Contact me off list if you're 
> interested.| > |
> | > | Cheers,
> | > |
> | > |
> | > | --
> | > | ---
> | > |  Matt Robertson, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> | > |  MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbase.com
> | > | ---
> | > |
> | > | --
> | > |
> | >
> | 
>
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Re: Quiz builder?

[ksuh]

Say, do you have a link for this?  I searched google and mm and didn't find anything,

- Original Message -
From: Doug White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Friday, December 19, 2003 4:01 pm
Subject: Re: Quiz builder?

> Have you looked at FlashMX Virtual Classroom?   It makes awesome 
> online courses!
> 
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> - Original Message - 
> From: "Matt Robertson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 4:59 PM
> Subject: Re: Quiz builder?
> 
> 
> | Joe Hobson wrote:
> | >I've been looking for a nice quiz/test builder for an online 
> course >system
> |
> | I've got this built into the user-friendly form builder in 
> CMPro.  Its
> something I built for a client's online continuing education and 
> left in the
> retail product.  It was meant to run the whole show, though; a 
> basic course
> management system whereby instructors can create content for their 
> students, and
> where everyone has to be permissioned properly to see or edit 
> stuff (i.e.
> instructors can only edit their own stuff, students can only see 
> what they've
> signed up for).
> |
> | If a student passes a test a course completion certificate can 
> be gotten hold
> of; the user has a course list showing what courses they have 
> enrolled in etc.
> etc.  Questions can be weighted so you don't have to have an 
> absolute right or
> wrong answer.
> |
> | Police officers should:
> | A. Protect and serve the public trust  +100
> | B. Lay off the donuts and eat right  +5
> | C. Polish their badges until shiny  +0
> | D. Shoot first and ask questions later  -100
> |
> | It'll also accept and evaluate case sensitive/insensitive text 
> input.|
> | The demo is offline as we get ready to roll out CMProV.3.  I can 
> arrange for a
> private one if you like.  Contact me off list if you're interested.
> |
> | Cheers,
> |
> |
> | --
> | ---
> |  Matt Robertson, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> |  MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbase.com
> | ---
> |
> | --
> | 
>
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Re: Flash Remoting to CF

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But the test results are totally spurious.  What the hell's the point of running a benchmark if we know that one the contestants is totally broken?

Besides, I'm sure the memory usage chart (useless as it is) won't have web services consuming every byte of memory like it does now once the leak is fixed.

- Original Message -
From: "Darron J. Schall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Friday, December 19, 2003 1:08 pm
Subject: Re: Flash Remoting to CF

> While the memory leak is part of the slower performance of SOAP 
> vs. Flash-Remoting, it's not the only reason.  Did you read the 
> last few lines?
> 
> "The SOAP approach results in larger payloads and greater CPU 
> processing, resulting from the XML Schema validation and XML 
> parsing. The Flash Remoting approach benefits from a binary 
> representation of request/response as well as the invocation- 
> batching feature. For any application that requires moderate to 
> high remote invocation volume and/or that involves complex data 
> types and large arrays, Flash Remoting is a better fit. "
> 
> Because remoting uses AMF (ActionScript Message Format), which is 
> a binary protocol, Flash Remoting will always be faster and less 
> memory intensive than text-heavy xml data.  Memory leak or not.
> 
> -d
>  - Original Message - 
>  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>  To: CF-Talk 
>  Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 2:43 PM
>  Subject: Re: Flash Remoting to CF
> 
> 
>  I'm not even sure why they bothered to run this.  I'm sure the 
> situation will change once the memory leak is fixed.
> 
>  - Original Message -
>  From: "Darron J. Schall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  Date: Friday, December 19, 2003 12:35 pm
>  Subject: Re: Flash Remoting to CF
> 
>  > The article can be found by clicking around on sys-con's mxdj page
>  > 
>  > magazine:http://www.sys-con.com/mx/
>  > article: http://www.sys-con.com/story/?storyid=37919&DE=1#RES
>  > 
>  > I highly suggest getting a print copy - the results are shown 
> as 
>  > charts which don't seem to be viewable in the online version 
> of 
>  > the article.
>  > 
>  > -d
>
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Re: Flash Remoting to CF

[ksuh]

I'm not even sure why they bothered to run this.  I'm sure the situation will change once the memory leak is fixed.

- Original Message -
From: "Darron J. Schall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Friday, December 19, 2003 12:35 pm
Subject: Re: Flash Remoting to CF

> The article can be found by clicking around on sys-con's mxdj page
> 
> magazine:http://www.sys-con.com/mx/
> article: http://www.sys-con.com/story/?storyid=37919&DE=1#RES
> 
> I highly suggest getting a print copy - the results are shown as 
> charts which don't seem to be viewable in the online version of 
> the article.
> 
> -d
>  - Original Message - 
>  From: Mark Leder 
>  To: CF-Talk 
>  Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 2:27 PM
>  Subject: RE: Flash Remoting to CF
> 
> 
>  Yes, I have CFMX 6.1 installed on the production server.  I thought
>  something looked screwy.  Thanks for your advice.
>  BTW: where's this performance test results in MXDJ?  URL?
> 
>  Thanks, Mark 
> 
>  -Original Message-
>  From: Darron J. Schall [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>  Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 2:19 PM
>  To: CF-Talk
>  Subject: Re: Flash Remoting to CF
> 
>  If you're running ColdFusion MX or greater, you already have the 
> capability  to do remoting - it's built in to the server.  
> Macromedia sells a .NET
>  version, and that is where the cost per CPU comes in.
> 
>  If you need a php or java version, check out http://amfphp.org/ and
>  http://www.openamf.org
> 
>  Remoting rocks over XML.  Just look at the performance test 
> results in MXDJ.
> 
>  -d
>
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Re: RE: Scrambling Data

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CF has the hash() function, which does an MD5 hash.

- Original Message -
From: Mosh Teitelbaum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Monday, December 15, 2003 12:19 pm
Subject: RE: Scrambling Data

> Hatton:
> 
> I prefer salting and hashing passwords stored in a database.  The 
> hashingprovides one-way encryption and the salting protects 
> against people who have
> the same password.  MSDN has a good intro to password security at
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/msdnmag/issues/03/08/securitybriefs/default.aspx
> 
> ColdFusion doesn't have any built-in hashing functions but there 
> are some
> good CustomTags available at the Dev Exchange that do hashing.
> 
> --
> Mosh Teitelbaum
> evoch, LLC
> Tel: (301) 942-5378
> Fax: (301) 933-3651
> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> WWW: http://www.evoch.com/
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: C. Hatton Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 1:43 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Scrambling Data
> 
> 
> I am working out a database schema for an intranet and need to 
> figure out
> some way to mask the password field in the users table from simple 
> SELECTgrabs.
> 
> I know that CF has some built-in encryption tools but I can't 
> remember what
> they are.  Can someone point me in the right direction?
> 
> At this moment I'm just trying to figure out what to store in the 
> database.I know I'll need a field for the password but do I need 
> to also provide a
> field for a key or key pair?
> 
> Thanks!
> Hatton
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Re: First foray into COM - getting an error

[ksuh]

Is outlook installed on the server where CF is installed?

- Original Message -
From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Monday, December 15, 2003 3:16 am
Subject: First foray into COM -  getting an error

> Why am I getting 
> 
> "An exception occurred when instantiating a Com object. 
> The cause of this exception was that:
> coldfusion.runtime.com.ComObjectInstantiationException: An exception
> occurred when instantiating a Com object.. "
> 
> 
> From the following code ?
> 
> 
> 	
> 	
>  name="objOutlook"
>  class="Outlook.Application"
>  action="">
> 	
> 	
>	
>	
>  name="objOutlook"
>  class="Outlook.Applicaton"
>  action="">
> 	
> 
> 
> Any COM folks shed some light onto this ?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Darren
> 
>
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Re: How to make ColdFusion Verity/search better?

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Yeah, I do follow these suggestions.  I think the problem was that so many people were using the full text search that it'd be too slow by the end of the day.

- Original Message -
From: Geoff Bowers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thursday, December 11, 2003 4:08 pm
Subject: Re: How to make ColdFusion Verity/search better?

> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Although I will reply to Tom's questions soon, what suggestions 
> do you 
> > have to ensure that I'm not optimizing incorrectly?
> 
> I wasn't aiming the "sucks hard" comment at yourself -- it's a 
> very 
> common response.  So apologies if it seemed that way.
> 
> -- optimising
> You can't optimise incorrectly.  You just have to make sure that 
> you 
> optimise frequently enough to keep the fragmentation of the index 
> down.
> -- indexing
> Make sure that the collection fragmentation is minimised by doing 
> bulk 
> updates rather than lots of little updates.
> 
> -- REFERSH vs UPDATE
> REFRESH effectively purges the entire collection and rebuilds from 
> scratch.  This might be ok for spring cleaning or smaller 
> collections 
> but for large collections can make updates very labour intensive.
> 
> -- geoff
> http://www.daemon.com.au/
> 
> 
>
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Re: How to make ColdFusion Verity/search better?

[ksuh]

Although I will reply to Tom's questions soon, what suggestions do you have to ensure that I'm not optimizing incorrectly?

- Original Message -
From: Geoff Bowers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thursday, December 11, 2003 3:15 pm
Subject: Re: How to make ColdFusion Verity/search better?

> Tom,
> 
> Tom Jordahl wrote:
> > Sample questions:
> > - Do you use our Search?  Another technology?  Why? Why not?
> 
> We use Verity search quite a bit.  Why?  Well it ships with CF and 
> its 
> dead simple to set up. The only times we don't use it are when the 
> client already has an existing search technology they would prefer 
> to 
> leverage.  Or perhaps if we need to spider multiple sites and 
> provide an 
> integrated collection.
> 
> > - Do you use a K2 server?  Did you know it goes faster if you 
> do? :-)
> 
> Sometimes we use K2 if the search is actually been hit quite a 
> bit. 
> Generally we don't bother -- i think this is a bit of a legacy 
> "mind-set" issue in that you couldn't simply use the same 
> collection 
> name for both VDK and K2 -- K2 required a unique alias name.  And 
> you 
> had to start and configure an additional service to run on the 
> server. 
> Not all that hard but I gave up explaining it to folks over and over.
> 
> I can't remember if the aliasing issue was resolved in CFMX.
> 
> > - What document types do you index?
> 
> Mainly database queries and PDF.  Occaisionally we'll be involved 
> in an 
> intranet project where all sorts of file types are indexed.
> 
> > - How many documents do you index?
> 
> Varies greatly.  As a side note, I'm not sure that individual 
> records in 
> a DB query should be treated as individual documents.  Why not do 
> this 
> licensing on the basis of collection size?
> 
> > - How many collections do you have?
> 
> Our approach has generally been to have a separate collection per 
> document or content type.  Makes it easier to offer advanced 
> search 
> options and filtering.
> 
> > - What features do you like?
> 
> I really like that in CF all Verity collections look the same.  So 
> it 
> doesn't matter if you are working with PDF's or database queries 
> or a 
> combination you can represent the results all in a single query.
> 
> > - What features are we missing?
> 
> -- maintenance
> Maybe this is changed in later versions of Verity... but you 
> really need 
> a better explanation of when to use CFINDEX actions, in particular 
> UPDATE vs REFRESH.  An explanation of why and how often to 
> OPTIMISE and 
> so on.  So many folks give up on Verity because they update it so 
> inefficiently, don't optimise and wonder why it runs slowly.  
> Actually 
> at that point most folk just say Verity "sucks hard" and cease 
> wondering.
> --spider
> I find this spider thing a nightmare.  Not really an issue with 
> the 
> technology more an issue with the licensing.  There are so many 
> spiders 
> out there... why not make the Verity spider open beyond localhost? 
> It's 
> not like it offers any huge competitive advantage -- I realise 
> this is 
> more Verity than Macromedia.
> 
> --mapping alternative properties
> I often find myself hacking the collection style files to include 
> things 
> like datelastupdated in the query output.  Perhaps for files at 
> least 
> this should be there by default.  What about file size, create 
> date and 
> other metadata??  Much of this is already in there, just not 
> exposed by 
> default in the CF/Verity gateway.
> 
> --additional search types
> Fuzzy logic, synonym, phonetic and the like.  I'd like to have the 
> option of setting up my own lexicon of terms to map to synonyms 
> and the 
> like.  These are all options in Verity Enterprise... so I'm not 
> sure 
> what is on offer in their v5 SDK.
> 
> That's all I can think of for now.
> 
> -- geoff
> http://www.daemon.com.au/
> 
> 
> 
>
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Re: CF and MS SQL server authentication

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Currenly, the drivers that come with CFMX do not support windows authentication, although they are supposed to be included in a later release.

To login into a private remote computer, log onto a computer than you can access publicly, and then from that computer, remote login into the private computer.

- Original Message -
From: Tom Kitta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tuesday, December 9, 2003 12:16 pm
Subject: Re: CF and MS SQL server authentication

> I want Windows Authentication for security reasons, SQL server 
> simply is not as secure as Windows. SQL server 2000 does not 
> support locking out, minimal password length, password expiry etc. 
> So someone can setup a system whereas the SQL server is being 
> bombarded with attempts to gain access, windows will lock the user 
> out. SQL server admin guide recommends using windows 
> authentication and fall back to SQL authentication in special 
> circumstances (also for someone out there using win98 or winME 
> which do not support windows authentication).
> 
> As for running SQL server on private network, that would be fine 
> except for remote administration - how can one with ease connect 
> to a host on a private network from a remote location.
> 
> TK
>  - Original Message - 
>  From: Tangorre, Michael 
>  To: CF-Talk 
>  Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 1:38 PM
>  Subject: RE: CF and MS SQL server authentication
> 
> 
>  Tom,
> 
> 
>  Just out of curiosity, why do you prefer Windows authentication? 
> I always
>  thought SQL Server authentication was better...
>  I am definitely Interested in responses...
> 
> 
>  Mike
> 
>  -Original Message-
>  From: Tom Kitta [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>  Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 1:37 PM
>  To: CF-Talk
>  Subject: CF and MS SQL server authentication
> 
>  When setting up ColdFusion to work with MS SQL server 2000 I am 
> having  trouble with usage of Windows only authentication 
> (prefered), I am forced to
>  use SQL authentication. SQL and CF run on different computers on 
> the same
>  network. What accounts (permissions) should SQL and CF work on 
> for windows
>  authentication to work?
> 
>  TK 
>    _
> 
>
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Re: RE: ListFind(Problems)

[ksuh]

Actually, the xml format would be:



There are probably some required attributes as well (id, most likely).

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From: "Tangorre, Michael" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Friday, December 5, 2003 9:02 am
Subject: RE: ListFind(Problems)

> NOT  XHTML format:
> 
> 
> 
> XHTML format:
> 
> 
> 
> If your doctype is xhtml then you need the latter.
> 
> Mike 
> 
>
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Re: Generating Primary Key in Oracle (part 2)

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What's wrong with using a sequence?

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From: Stacy Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thursday, December 4, 2003 6:25 pm
Subject: Generating Primary Key in Oracle (part 2)

> I was thinking of using a single db table with single db column to 
> storethe current 'highest value' for the primary key.
> 
> If anyone's used this method before...do you this incremental value
> across multiple tables? i.e. I have a table for 'orders' and 
> another for
> 'users'. Would both feed off this single primary key table?
> 
> Any downsides to this? I need to avoid the use of any triggers or 
> storedprocs in this project. I'm so tempted to just use 
> UUIDs...but the amount
> of data can potentially grow quite large and I'm a little worried 
> aboutthe join performance with UUIDs.
> 
> Any opinions appreciated
> 
> Stace
> 
> 
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For Bushy - An FTP web client

[ksuh]

Here's something that might help you:

http://www.jscape.com/ftpapplet/ftp_applet_demo.jsp
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Re: RE: Update Verity Collections Execution Time

[ksuh]

Thanks for the info.  It makes me feel better (really, it does).

- Original Message -
From: Tom Jordahl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2003 11:09 am
Subject: RE: Update Verity Collections Execution Time

> > No, CF uses a castrated version of the K2 engine.  God knows 
> what they
> castrated, other than the # docs limit.
> 
> 
> 
> The K2 server and VDK libraries we use in ColdFusion are the fully 
> capablerelease 2.6.1 binaries.
> 
> Our license limits the (legal) document count.
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Tom Jordahl
> Macromedia Server Development
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
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Re: Update Verity Collections Execution Time

[ksuh]

No, CF uses a castrated version of the K2 engine.  God knows what they castrated, other than the # docs limit.

BTW, how many companies do you know that use the CF Verity engine successfully?

- Original Message -
From: Geoff Bowers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2003 4:09 pm
Subject: Re: Update Verity Collections Execution Time

> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > I agree with Matt.  The Verity that comes with CF sucks.  Hard.
> 
> Oh well.  CF uses the standard Verity K2 engine.  So I guess 
> Verity 
> ought to just throw in the towel -- clearly all the folks out 
> there 
> using their product successfully for the last 5 years have been duped.
> 
> -- geoff
> http://www.daemon.com.au/
> 
> 
>
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Re: Update Verity Collections Execution Time

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I agree with Matt.  The Verity that comes with CF sucks.  Hard.

- Original Message -
From: Matt Liotta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2003 7:45 am
Subject: Re: Update Verity Collections Execution Time

> > Performance issues??  In a context that vague any solution on earth
> > could be deemed to have "performance" issues.  But for a free text
> > search over a 10,000 record collection for the average CF app 
> you'd be
> > hard pushed to make Verity break sweat.
> >
> Your the one who made the assumption that someone's implementation 
> is 
> wrong because Verity wasn't performing well for them. I simply 
> pointing 
> out that the person isn't alone in their findings, which isn't 
> vague at 
> all.
> 
> > In fact, I have never seen an Apache project Lucene solution on 
> a 
> > single
> > server that outperformed that of the Verity solution.  Truth be 
> known> I've never had the chance to compare them in that way.  But 
> that's my
> > point -- what a silly response.
> >
> I can't really help that you don't do your homework and learn 
> about all 
> of the available tools to determine their strengths and 
> weaknesses. I'm 
> sure your clients would appreciate knowing that. But silly me for 
> suggesting that their may be another way to solve a problem then 
> what 
> is directly available in ColdFusion.
> 
> > You've always been a master sophist, Matt.  Verity is a solution 
> that> has worked hand in hand with CF since the beginning of 
> time.  It's> hardly non-sensical to suggest that it's more likely 
> the Verity
> > implementation is not optimal than Verity itself is broken.
> >
> Verity's history with CF has no bering on how well it performs 
> compared 
> to other solutions that can be used with CF. Using that logic all 
> CF 
> applications would be built using Pointbase since it ships with CF 
> as 
> opposed to Oracle or some other enterprise database.
> 
> Matt Liotta
> President & CEO
> Montara Software, Inc.
> http://www.MontaraSoftware.com
> (888) 408-0900 x901
> 
>
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Re: RE: Application.cfm and Fusebox

[ksuh]

In Fusebox 3, the cfapplication tag is normally placed in the fbx_settings file.

- Original Message -
From: Charlie Griefer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Monday, December 1, 2003 10:24 am
Subject: Re: RE: Application.cfm and Fusebox

> >> From: Dwayne Cole 
> >> To: CF-Talk 
> >> 
> >> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 10:11 AM
> >> Subject: Re: RE: Application.cfm and Fusebox
> >> 
> >> application.cfm.  And does that mean that I can still use the 
> >> cf_applicationtag?  
> >
> >It is a common misperception that the cfapplication tag only 
> works in Application.cfm.  In fact, you can use it anywhere.
> 
> 
> Just out of curiousity...when/where/why would one use a 
> cfapplication tag anyplace other than in an Application.cfm template?
> 
> 
> 
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Re: RE: Application.cfm and Fusebox

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> application.cfm.  And does that mean that I can still use the 
> cf_applicationtag?  

It is a common misperception that the cfapplication tag only works in Application.cfm.  In fact, you can use it anywhere.
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Re: RE: JJ Allaire?

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Ok.  It is actually Joey Joe Jeneau Shabadoo.

- Original Message -
From: Peter Tilbrook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 1:32 am
Subject: RE: JJ Allaire?

> Hey ppl - this was a serious request. JJ it must be if the best 
> anyone can
> "prove" is Jumping Jellybeans. As I am not allowed to laugh at 
> work, or have
> fun of any sort, this response was most distressing. I myself have 
> alwaysknown JJ as JJ and admire him to a high degree - but as 
> tasked with
> converting developers to CF and telling it's history I thought it 
> would be
> nice to know for when the casual smart-arse "What does JJ stand for?"
> question crops up. Would be nice for the rest of us to for trivia 
> sake.
> I know that Jeremy has moved on to other things but WTF is JJ up 
> to these
> days?
> 
> Regards,
> Peter Tilbrook
> ColdFusion Applications Developer
> ColdGen Internet Solutions
> Manager, ACT and Region ColdFusion Users Group - 
> http://www.actcfug.com4/73 Tharwa Road
> Queanbeyan, NSW, 2620
> AUSTRALIA
> 
> Telephone: +61-2-6284-2727
> Mobile: +61-0439-401-823
> E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> World Wide Web: http:/www.coldgen.com/
> 
>  -Original Message-
>  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  Sent: Wednesday, 19 November 2003 10:01 AM
>  To: CF-Talk
>  Subject: OT: JJ Allaire?
> 
> 
>  Does anyone know what JJ Allaire'es full name is (ie what is JJ 
> shortfor).
>  I saw it somewhere years ago but can't remember what it is.
> 
>  Also any ColdFusion trivia tidbits?
> 
>  Thanks!
> 
>  Peter Tilbrook
>  Transitional Services - Enterprise eSolutions
>  Centrelink (http://www.centrelink.gov.au)
>  2 Faulding Street
>  Symonston ACT 2609
> 
>  Tel: (02) 62115927
> 
> 
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Re: Altering Date Objects?

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Why do you think dates are immutable, and even if they are, why does it matter?

- Original Message -
From: Craig Earls <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 6:58 pm
Subject: Re: Altering Date Objects?

> Thanks, as it turns out that is what I am doing in a way.  So I have
> just wasted a lot of bandwidth. I was hoping someone was going to tell
> me I had missed something big about accessing properties in CF
> objects.  But it looks like dates really are immutable.
> 
> On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 17:46:00 -0800, you wrote:
> 
> >Ah, HA!
> >
> >I see three solutions, given that after submitting the second 
> page you'll
> >have 4 pieces of info: a date (myDate), an hours value (hr), a 
> minutes value
> >(min), and a seconds value (sec).
> >
> >1) myDate = createDate(year(myDate), month(myDate), day(myDate), hr,
> >min,sec);
> >2) myDate = dateAdd(myDate, "h", hr);
> >    myDate = dateAdd(myDate, "n", min);
> >    myDate = dateAdd(myDate, "s", sec);
> >3) myDate = parseDate(dateFormat(myDate, "mm/dd/") & "
> >#hr#:#min#:#sec#");
> >
> >I think the first is best, but thats just opinion.
> >  -Original Message-
> >  From: Craig Earls [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >  Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 5:22 PM
> >  To: CF-Talk
> >  Subject: Re: Altering Date Objects?
> >
> >
> >  I am talking in circles, sorry.  Let me clarify the question:  
> I am
> >  ultimately going to stick a ODBCDateTime object into a 
> database, but
> >  first I have to create it.
> >
> >  My workflow is such that the user selects the date from a widget
> >  (system creates the object using createDate()). On the next 
> page (this
> >  is a wizard type of thing, don't get me started) the user sets the
> >  time of a meeting.  So now I have a date object with the actual 
> date>  of the meeting, and I want to set the time in that date 
> object so I
> >  can feed it to createODBCDateTime and stuff it into a database.
> >
> >  On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 17:58:49 -0700, you wrote:
> >
> >  >Databases are a persistent data store, not an object store.  
> So yes,
> >you'd have to change the date somewhere and update the 
> corresponding entry
> >in the database (you can do these two operations in one SQL 
> statement).>  >
> >  >- Original Message -
> >  >From: Craig Earls <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >  >Date: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 5:49 pm
> >  >Subject: Re: Altering Date Objects?
> >  >
> >  >> I thought of that, but for the sake of argument let's say I 
> am storing
> >  >> a date object in my DB.  If I reschedule the meeting then I 
> would like
> >  >> to just directly alter the values, not compute an offest 
> then add
> >  >> them.  Their is no copy ocntructor that I can see, so I have 
> been>  >> creating a new datetime object using the individual 
> properties of the
> >  >> old date object. It seems clumsy.
> >  >>
> >  >> On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 16:19:29 -0800, you wrote:
> >  >>
> >  >> >just hit it with a dateAdd() and specify "h", "n", or "s" 
> for the
> >  >> date part.
> >  >> >Yes, that's an "n", not an "m".  "m" is month, "n" is minute.
> >  >> >
> >  >> >  -Original Message-
> >  >> >  From: Craig Earls [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >  >> >  Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 4:13 PM
> >  >> >  To: CF-Talk
> >  >> >  Subject: Altering Date Objects?
> >  >> >
> >  >> >
> >  >> >  I need to allow a user to specify a time and date for a
> >  >> meeting.  I am
> >  >> >  using a calendar widget to choose the date, and a few
> >  >> comboboxes to
> >  >> >  choose the time.  This brught the following question up:
> >  >> >
> >  >> >  Suppose I create a date object with CreateDate(Year, Month,
> >  >> Day), then
> >  >> >  later want to modify the time in that date object.  How 
> would I do
> >  >> >  that?  Are date objects immutable?
> >  >> >
> >  >> >
> >  >> >
> >  >>
> >  >
> >
> >
> 
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Re: Altering Date Objects?

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Set the time using dateAdd(), like the other poster suggested.

Don't use createODBCDateTime until you're actually doing the insert.

- Original Message -
From: Craig Earls <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 6:22 pm
Subject: Re: Altering Date Objects?

> I am talking in circles, sorry.  Let me clarify the question:  I am
> ultimately going to stick a ODBCDateTime object into a database, but
> first I have to create it.  
> 
> My workflow is such that the user selects the date from a widget
> (system creates the object using createDate()). On the next page (this
> is a wizard type of thing, don't get me started) the user sets the
> time of a meeting.  So now I have a date object with the actual date
> of the meeting, and I want to set the time in that date object so I
> can feed it to createODBCDateTime and stuff it into a database.
> 
> On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 17:58:49 -0700, you wrote:
> 
> >Databases are a persistent data store, not an object store.  So 
> yes, you'd have to change the date somewhere and update the 
> corresponding entry in the database (you can do these two 
> operations in one SQL statement).
> >
> >- Original Message -
> >From: Craig Earls <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Date: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 5:49 pm
> >Subject: Re: Altering Date Objects?
> >
> >> I thought of that, but for the sake of argument let's say I am 
> storing>> a date object in my DB.  If I reschedule the meeting 
> then I would like
> >> to just directly alter the values, not compute an offest then add
> >> them.  Their is no copy ocntructor that I can see, so I have been
> >> creating a new datetime object using the individual properties 
> of the
> >> old date object. It seems clumsy.
> >> 
> >> On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 16:19:29 -0800, you wrote:
> >> 
> >> >just hit it with a dateAdd() and specify "h", "n", or "s" for 
> the 
> >> date part.
> >> >Yes, that's an "n", not an "m".  "m" is month, "n" is minute.
> >> >
> >> >  -Original Message-
> >> >  From: Craig Earls [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> >  Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 4:13 PM
> >> >  To: CF-Talk
> >> >  Subject: Altering Date Objects?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >  I need to allow a user to specify a time and date for a 
> >> meeting.  I am
> >> >  using a calendar widget to choose the date, and a few 
> >> comboboxes to
> >> >  choose the time.  This brught the following question up:
> >> >
> >> >  Suppose I create a date object with CreateDate(Year, Month, 
> >> Day), then
> >> >  later want to modify the time in that date object.  How 
> would I do
> >> >  that?  Are date objects immutable?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> 
> >
> 
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Re: Altering Date Objects?

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Databases are a persistent data store, not an object store.  So yes, you'd have to change the date somewhere and update the corresponding entry in the database (you can do these two operations in one SQL statement).

- Original Message -
From: Craig Earls <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 5:49 pm
Subject: Re: Altering Date Objects?

> I thought of that, but for the sake of argument let's say I am storing
> a date object in my DB.  If I reschedule the meeting then I would like
> to just directly alter the values, not compute an offest then add
> them.  Their is no copy ocntructor that I can see, so I have been
> creating a new datetime object using the individual properties of the
> old date object. It seems clumsy.
> 
> On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 16:19:29 -0800, you wrote:
> 
> >just hit it with a dateAdd() and specify "h", "n", or "s" for the 
> date part.
> >Yes, that's an "n", not an "m".  "m" is month, "n" is minute.
> >
> >  -Original Message-
> >  From: Craig Earls [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >  Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 4:13 PM
> >  To: CF-Talk
> >  Subject: Altering Date Objects?
> >
> >
> >  I need to allow a user to specify a time and date for a 
> meeting.  I am
> >  using a calendar widget to choose the date, and a few 
> comboboxes to
> >  choose the time.  This brught the following question up:
> >
> >  Suppose I create a date object with CreateDate(Year, Month, 
> Day), then
> >  later want to modify the time in that date object.  How would I do
> >  that?  Are date objects immutable?
> >
> >
> >
> 
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Re: OT: JJ Allaire?

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John John

- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 4:01 pm
Subject: OT: JJ Allaire?

> Does anyone know what JJ Allaire'es full name is (ie what is JJ 
> short for).
> I saw it somewhere years ago but can't remember what it is.
> 
> Also any ColdFusion trivia tidbits?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Peter Tilbrook
> Transitional Services - Enterprise eSolutions
> Centrelink (http://www.centrelink.gov.au)
> 2 Faulding Street
> Symonston ACT 2609
> 
> Tel: (02) 62115927
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> are not the intended recipient you are notified that any review, 
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Re: limit to the number of records for a SQL Server 2k table?

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Correct.

FYI, 400k is hardly anything.  We've got a table here with 500 million records in it.

- Original Message -
From: Stan Winchester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thursday, November 13, 2003 1:02 pm
Subject: limit to the number of records for a SQL Server 2k table?

> I have been searching to see if there is a limit to the number of 
> records a
> SQL Server 2k table can have, and it seems that the limit is only 
> limited by
> available storage, is this correct? We may end up having about 
> 400,000 or
> more records in one table, and I want to be sure we don?t max out.
> Thank you,
> Stan Winchester
> Aftershock Web Design, LLC
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.aftershockweb.com/
> Phone 503-244-3440
> Fax 503-244-3454
> 
> 
> 
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Re: CFFILE BUG CF5.0 (DEADLOCK)

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Use  around the  command.

In MX, I'm not sure what underlying classes are being used (java.io vs. java.nio), so you'll probably have to do the same thing in MX.

 sucks.  What CF needs is the ability to read/write file streams.

- Original Message -
From: Chris More <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thursday, November 13, 2003 11:12 am
Subject: CFFILE BUG CF5.0 (DEADLOCK)

> I have been experiencing a CF Bug for quite some time now and I 
> wrote some code to get around the problem, but I am amazed that 
> Macromedia never posted a fix other then saying to upgrade to MX.
> 
> I am writing a text file from a very large query. It takes a few 
> minutes to run and exports of the order of 16,000 rows of data to 
> a text file. The first CFFILE is a write that only added one row 
> of column header descriptions. As I loop through the query I 
> append on one row of data at a time. Well I have experienced on 
> large queries that CF doesn't always close the file before the 
> loop continues. So the next time the CFFILE append is executed an 
> error is generated because the file is currently in use. It 
> happens at random times and it takes a random amount of time for 
> CF to release the file and allow it to continue. 
> 
> I put a TRY/CATCH statement around the CFFILE append and I could 
> catch the error. I then jumped into a loop that would continuously 
> try to append to the file up to 500 retries. After the first 
> successful retry it jumps out of the loop and continues to read 
> the query and append the file. 500 retries seem to work as at 300 
> tries I still had a few times that the file was still open when 
> the next append occurred.
> 
> Other people have complained about this problem, but Macromedia 
> never did anything about it. 
> 
> No one else is using the file when the error occurs since the 
> filename is always dynamic and unique when created.
> 
> Does anyone know if someone wrote a CFX version of CFFILE that 
> gets around this bug?
> 
> Thanks,
> Chris More
> 
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Re: Odd db error

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This is a known bug with CFMX 6.1.

Look here: http://webforums.macromedia.com/coldfusion/messageview.cfm?catid=6&threadid=684306
The workaround sucks, but you might not have any choice.

- Original Message -
From: Bryan Stevenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 12:56 pm
Subject: Re: Odd db  error

> You now know everythingthere is no more data...please wipe 
> your brain clean and press "Re-Start" ;-)
> 
> Sorry had to.
> 
> I've seen that error before, but can't remeber what caused it.  
> Did you give Google Groups a whirl yet for that error?
> 
> Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
> VP & Director of E-Commerce Development
> Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
> t. 250.920.8830
> e. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> -
> Macromedia Associate Partner
> www.macromedia.com
> -
> Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group
> Founder & Director
> www.cfug-vancouverisland.com
>  - Original Message - 
>  From: DeMarco, Alex 
>  To: CF-Talk 
>  Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 11:51 AM
>  Subject: Odd db error
> 
> 
>  What would cause this error?
> 
>  "No More data avilable to read"
> 
>  It's a simple query, that has never returned an error before...
> 
>  - Alex
> 
> 
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Flash Remoting question

[ksuh]

Does the Flash Remoting component that comes with CFMX work for .NET as well?  Or do I have to purchase Flash Remoting separately for .NET?

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Re: Re:form variables not passed to action page - please help!

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No, the server license won't matter.

You can save yourself a lot of work by using the "preservedata" attribute of the cfform tag.  Just make fields that are the same name in the next page of the wizard.  They'll be automatically populated upon submit.

- Original Message -
From: ColdFusion Programmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Monday, November 3, 2003 7:39 am
Subject: Re:form variables not passed to action page - please help!

> One thing I forgot to mention in my previous post, I have CFMX 
> developer edition on my local development server, both the action 
> pages display the form variables, it all works. However I've got 
> CFMX Standard edition on my server and it does not display the 
> form variables when the "order" button is clicked. Does the server 
> licence got anything to do with the problem I've having? I hope 
> not. Both are Windows 2000 Machines
> 
> >I'm assigning the form field values to hidden variables because 
> it is 
> >a 4 pages form and I am passing the values from one page to 
> another in 
> >hidden variables. I have chceked the code in both the action 
> pages, 
> >they both have the same code, I just don't understand what's 
> >happenning here, I've turned debugging on. One another thing I've 
> >noticed is if I remove the "id" attribute from the text input 
> fields, 
> >I get a _javascript_ error when submitting the form (form variable 
> >FirstName is not undefined). I thought the "id" attribute was 
> optional. 
> >Any ideas?
> >
> >>okay I copied your code and made a rental and order page. the 
> page 
> >submits
> >>fine to either page depending on which button I press. One thing 
> I 
> >dont
> >>understand is why you are assingning the values from a form 
> field 
> >that is
> >>already being passed into a hidden field that is also passed?
> >> 
> >>couldnt you do this in the js functions?
> >> 
> >> function rentSubmit()
> >>  {
> >>    document.the_form.action = "">
> >>    document.the_form.submit();
> >>  }
> >> 
> >> function orderSubmit()
> >>  {
> >>   document.the_form.action = "">
> >>    document.the_form.submit();
> >>  }
> >> 
> >>but, either way it seems to be submitting fine. i guess you 
> could 
> >check the
> >>syntax of your dump statement on the one page, and also turn 
> >debugging on to
> >>see  the form variables being passed.
> >> 
> >>hope this helps.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>-Original Message-
> >>From: Allan Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 10:06 AM
> >>To: CF-Talk
> >>Subject: form variables not passed to action page - please help!
> >>
> >>
> >>Hi Guys,
> >>Am really hoping for someone to help me. I have this
> >>problem and can't find a solution. I have a form with
> >>two buttons with an onClick event each. Each button
> >>calls a _javascript_ function. When the user clicks on
> >>the button, I'm assigning all form field values to
> >>hidden variables. When I dump the form values on the
> >>action page,
> >>I see the form field values (including hidden form
> >>field values) for button 1, but don't see the same
> >>when button 2 is clicked. Here is my code
> >>
> >>

> >>

> >>  function rentSubmit()

> >>  {

> >> with (document.the_form) {

> >>FirstName_hid.value = FirstName.value;

> >>  LastName_hid.value = LastName.value;

> >>    }

> >>    document.the_form.action = "">
> >>    document.the_form.submit();

> >>  }

> >>

> >>  function orderSubmit()

> >>  {

> >>  with (document.the_form) {

> >>  FirstName_hid.value = FirstName.value;

> >>    LastName_hid.value = LastName.value;

> >>  }

> >>    document.the_form.action = "">
> >>    document.the_form.submit();

> >>  }

> >>  

> >>  
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>value="" size="56">
> >>
> >>value="" size="56">
> >>    
> >>
> >>
> >>    
> >>
> >>>
> >>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>When I click on the "Rent" button, I am taken to
> >>RentalForm.cfm. In this file, I have a 
> >>
> >>It dumps all the form variables as I expect it to. But
> >>when I click on the "Order" button, I get directed to
> >>OrderForm.cfm but the cfdump on that page displays
> >>nothing. I don't understand why I don't see the form
> >>variables? Can somebody show/tell me how to fix this
> >>problem.
> >>
> >>Many Thanks,
> >>Allan
> >>
> >>__
> >>Do you Yahoo!?
> >>Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears
> >>http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/
> >><" target="l">http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/>  
> >>  _  
> >>
> >
> 
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Re: Sessions - won't stick around

[ksuh]

As others have stated, set setclientcookies to "yes".

- Original Message -
From: Paul Giesenhagen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Friday, October 10, 2003 3:48 pm
Subject: Re: Sessions - won't stick around

> Deleting all my cookies didn't work .. also, this was working fine 
> for days .. just this day it decided to crap out ..
> 
> Paul Giesenhagen
> QuillDesign
> 
>  - Original Message - 
>  From: Matt Robertson 
>  To: CF-Talk 
>  Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 4:18 PM
>  Subject: Re: Sessions - won't stick around
> 
> 
>  Paul wrote:
>  >I am not using client variables ...
> 
>  If you shut off client management you also shut off CF's ability 
> to track your sessions on its own, since it keeps track of 
> visitors server-side via client.cfid and client.cftoken.  
> Setclientcookies has to be set to "yes" (or left out as its the 
> default) as it sets the key pair on the client side.  You need 'em 
> both to get the job done, but you can do without one, the other or 
> both if you faithfully, manually pass the key pair around.
> 
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Re: Sessions - won't stick around

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Try deleting all your cookies.

- Original Message -
From: Paul Giesenhagen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Friday, October 10, 2003 2:54 pm
Subject: Re: Sessions - won't stick around

> I am not using client variables ...
> 
> This was working .. I was coding and then refreshed and it stopped 
> working...  I hadn't changed any settings ... just coding and 
> saving and reloading the browser .. and then poof!  It stopped 
> working.
> I am going to load some old code and see if it is something I 
> possibly did ...
> 
> Paul Giesenhagen
> QuillDesign
> 
>  - Original Message - 
>  From: Andre Turrettini 
>  To: CF-Talk 
>  Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 3:16 PM
>  Subject: RE: Sessions - won't stick around
> 
> 
>  Paul, it appears youre not having cf send cookies to the 
> browser.  So, in
>  this case you would have to add the cfid and token to your url 
> string.  Are
>  you doing this?  If not, I'd try setting setclientcookies = 'yes'.
> 
> 
>  DRE
> 
>  -Original Message-
>  From: Paul Giesenhagen [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>  Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 1:46 PM
>  To: CF-Talk
>  Subject: Sessions - won't stick around
> 
>  Has anyone ever been working with application that uses sessions 
> and for
>  some reason, your server will not hold sessions?
> 
>  All of a sudden CFMX 6.1 stopped .. i could set the session, but 
> as soon as
>  I reloaded the page, the session was gone.
> 
>  Exampe:
>  
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  It would output just fine .. and then if I reload the page,
>  session.sessionTest was not there.
> 
>  I have this in my application.cfm file:
> 
>  
> sessionmanagement="yes"  setclientcookies="no" 
> setdomaincookies="no" sessiontimeout="30">
> 
>  And in the CF Admin sessions are set to 20 minutes .. NOTHING 
> has changed in
>  the application or CF Settings .. I have even rebooted the server.
> 
>  Very strange.. Also, I though maybe some code I put in possibly 
> was deleting
>  the session .. but I put that sessionTest in the app and it 
> didn't stick
>  either ..
> 
>  CFMX 6.1 WindowsXP (local box).
> 
>  Thanks
>  Paul Giesenhagen
>  QuillDesign
> 
>    _  
> 
> 
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Re: Sessions - won't stick around

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You need to use the createTimeSpan function within the sessionTimeout value.

- Original Message -
From: Paul Giesenhagen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Friday, October 10, 2003 1:55 pm
Subject: Re: Sessions - won't stick around

> I think that value is for minutes ...
> 
> But even at that .. in my application it imediately does a 
> redirect and that takes maybe 1 second .. so it should stick at 
> least for that.
> 
> But I will check on that time issue (good to know anyway).
> 
> Paul Giesenhagen
> QuillDesign
> 
>  - Original Message - 
>  From: DURETTE, STEVEN J (AIT) 
>  To: CF-Talk 
>  Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 2:52 PM
>  Subject: RE: Sessions - won't stick around
> 
> 
>  Paul,
> 
> 
>  Just off the top of my head wouldn't the sessiontimeout="30" set 
> the timeout
>  to 30 seconds.
> 
> 
>  Steve
> 
>  -Original Message-
>  From: Paul Giesenhagen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 3:46 PM
>  To: CF-Talk
>  Subject: Sessions - won't stick around
> 
>  Has anyone ever been working with application that uses sessions 
> and for
>  some reason, your server will not hold sessions?
> 
>  All of a sudden CFMX 6.1 stopped .. i could set the session, but 
> as soon as
>  I reloaded the page, the session was gone.
> 
>  Exampe:
>  
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  It would output just fine .. and then if I reload the page,
>  session.sessionTest was not there.
> 
>  I have this in my application.cfm file:
> 
>  
> sessionmanagement="yes"  setclientcookies="no" 
> setdomaincookies="no" sessiontimeout="30">
> 
>  And in the CF Admin sessions are set to 20 minutes .. NOTHING 
> has changed in
>  the application or CF Settings .. I have even rebooted the server.
> 
>  Very strange.. Also, I though maybe some code I put in possibly 
> was deleting
>  the session .. but I put that sessionTest in the app and it 
> didn't stick
>  either ..
> 
>  CFMX 6.1 WindowsXP (local box).
> 
>  Thanks
>  Paul Giesenhagen
>  QuillDesign
> 
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> 
> 
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Re: RE: Maybe You'll See Something I Don't

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Use something like chr(7) - the bell.

- Original Message -
From: "Owens, Howard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 4:59 pm
Subject: RE: Maybe You'll See Something I Don't

> OK, well ... I guess I need to change these delims before 
> processing ... to
> something not likely to be in the text ... and that's the tough 
> part ...
> hopefull "^" will work.
> 
> H.
> 
> 
> 
> ~~
> Howard Owens
> Internet Operations Coordinator
> Ventura County Star / E.W. Scripps Co.
> www.venturacountystar.com
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> AIM: GoCatGo1956
> ~~
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From:   Barney Boisvert [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent:   Wednesday, September 24, 2003 3:57 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject:RE: Maybe You'll See Something I Don't
> > 
> > the delimiter argument to the list functions is not a multicharacter
> > string,
> > it's a set of delimiter characters.  So listGetAt(myList, 3, 
> ">>") isn't
> > looking for the third item using ">>" as the delimiter, it's 
> looking for
> > the
> > third item using ">" OR ">" as the delimiter.  More clearly,
> > listGetAt(myList, 3, ";,") isn't looking for the third item 
> using ";," as
> > the delimiter, it's looking for the third item using ";" OR "," 
> as the
> > delimiter.
> > 
> > listGetAt("i,like;cheese", 3, ";,") will return 'cheese'
> > 
> > barneyb
> > 
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Owens, Howard [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 3:48 PM
> > > To: CF-Talk
> > > Subject: Maybe You'll See Something I Don't
> > >
> > >
> > 
> 
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Re: Parsing XML in ColdFusion - Help!!

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Here's an example of getting the name out:








#name[1].XmlText#


BTW, that XML file is horribly malformed.

- Original Message -
From: "Bailey, Neal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thursday, September 18, 2003 2:37 pm
Subject: Parsing XML in ColdFusion - Help!!

> Hello everyone... 
> 
> This is my first post to the list... 
> 
> Hopefully someone here can help me out. I'm pretty new to XML and 
> I need to
> parse an xml page so that I can extract the information out of it and
> include this information into a different page using ColdFusion MX 
> 6.1. 
> 
> I think my main problem is just understating how it all works using
> ColdFusion. I cannot fine many resources on the net that can help 
> explainhow to do this. All I need to do is extract very little 
> data out of a XML
> file. Almost like a news feed. 
> 
> Does anyone know of any useful resources that explain Parsing XML 
> usingColdFusion MX 6.1?
> 
> The file I'm trying to parse is below. The only information I need to
> extract is the Name, TagLine and Details. I then want to show this
> information on a new page. If possible can some one give me an 
> example of
> how to do this? 
> 
> Thanks,
> Neal
> 
> 
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Re: RE: OO modeling Hell

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> 
> My initial idea was to have a "Performances" (or perhaps "Showings")
> property in "Event" that was a two dimensional array of TimeSlot/Venue
> references.
> 
> Sound good?

I think an EventCollection object would work better in this case.



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Re: RE: OO modeling Hell

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Here's a quick stab at the problem:

If you wanted to know what events where being held at a specific venue, you could 
write a method in the venue object that would return event objects at that venue.  If 
you wanted to know what events were being held for a particular venue at a particular 
time, you'd create another method that would take a timeslot object and then give back 
a bunch of event objects.

You'd then iterate through the events, and then get their timeslot object.

The timeslot object could be somewhat trickier.  You could make a base timeslot class, 
and derive timeslot classes for each time that you'd mentioned.  But I'm actually not 
sure how "correct" this approach would be.

For insertion, you could create:

event.add(object venue, object timeslot);

venue.add(object event, object timeslot);

But if I were you, I'd wait for Sean Corfield to pipe up :)

- Original Message -
From: Jim Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thursday, September 18, 2003 2:35 pm
Subject: RE: OO modeling Hell

> I think I misrepresented my problem.
> 
> The objects are "virtual" - they have no database access themselves
> (this is handled, as you suggest, by separate implementation classes,
> which handle all persistent data access).
> 
> The problem I'm having is that in the procedural world I'm coming 
> from I
> would have a big run which returned, for example, all the events 
> takingplace at a Venue.
> 
> In the object world, after all this stuff has been instantiated and
> cached, I'm having trouble connecting the objects together.  In this
> specific case an Event can have several TimeSlots each at its own 
> Venue,a Venue can have many events and a Timeslot can have many 
> Events.
> In use all of this information will actually be stored as cached 
> objectsin memory - there will be no DB calls.  This is possible 
> because of the
> (relatively) small size of the total dataset (about 200 events at some
> 70 venues) and should increase performance significantly.
> 
> My old version of the system simple loaded all of the data into
> persistent (application scoped) queries and the application pulled it
> from there using QofQ.
> 
> Thinking in objects I'm not sure how to translate that...
> 
> Am I confusing everybody else as much as I am myself?  ;^)
> 
> Jim Davis
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Shawn Grover [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 3:56 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: RE: OO modeling Hell
> > 
> > I think you are on the right track but missed the business rules end
> of
> > OO.
> > 
> > I would do the same as you - create objects for dealing with my
> underlying
> > tables.  I call these objects "data access components", and normally
> store
> > them in a different folder called data.  Now, you have the concept
> that an
> > event, venue, and a time slot are related.  This is a business rule.
> In
> > this case, I create another object that will implement the business
> rules.
> > In your case, I might call the new object an Event object, but store
> it in
> > a
> > different folder or name it differently so that I know it is NOT a
> data
> > access component.  This object would then do any application 
> specific> validation, and processing.  The tough part with this is 
> that you have
> to
> > make a choice where your transactions take place - in the 
> database, or
> in
> > CF
> > (or whatever language you're using).  If you opt for placing the
> > transactions in the database (I'd recommend this where 
> possible), then
> the
> > call to the stored proc should happen within one of your data access
> > components - the business rule component should not be dealing
> directly
> > with
> > the database, that is not it's role.
> > 
> > Conceptually, you might end up with something like this:
> > 
> > EVENT Rules
> >   - Data Access Components
> >   - Event data access component
> >   - Venue data access component
> >   - Timeslot data access component
> >   - Specialized data access component (if needed).
> >   - Business functions
> >   - Save Event (-which might call individual functions on the
> member
> > data components)
> > 
> > Not sure if this is entirely clear, but hopefully it get's you 
> movingin
> > the
> > right direction...
> > 
> > Shawn
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Jim Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 1:14 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: OO modeling Hell
> > 
> > 
> > Sorry - thismay be semi-off topic (but then again it may be semi-on
> > topic - possibly even flat-out on topic!)
> > 
> > I'm working on modeling an existing procedural system (first 
> built in
> CF
> > 4) to CFMX and want to implement "correctly" (as possible) in an
> OO/CFC
> > framework.
> > 
> > I'm doing the static model now and have run into a conceptual 
> problem.> Hoping for some opinions.
> > 
> > The system is an event planner for a large, single-day festival.
> > Stripping it down to the problem 

Re: RE: Anyone know of a decent SQL ide?

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Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!

You have just made my month!

- Original Message -
From: Mike Brunt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Friday, September 12, 2003 11:24 am
Subject: RE: Anyone know of a decent SQL ide?

> Chris, check out Aqua Data Studio, we have a link to it here.
> 
> http://www.webapper.net/index.cfm?fuseaction=Fuseblog.ShowComments&ArticleID=20030904071557
> 
> Kind Regards - Mike Brunt
> 
> Original Message ---
> Hi everyone,
> 
> I am searching for a good SQL IDE.  I currently use Query 
> Analyzer, but
> would really like to find something a bit more robust.  Since most 
> of you
> guys also write SQL, I figured this would be the best place to 
> ask.  
> 
> Anyone have any suggestions?
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> Chris
> 
> 
> 
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Re: RE: CFERROR

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Use type="exception"

- Original Message -
From: Dave Sueltenfuss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Friday, September 12, 2003 9:01 am
Subject: RE: CFERROR

> No, there is no error page defined in the CFAdmin. 
> 
> Dave
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pascal Peters [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 11:01 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: CFERROR
> 
> 
> Type request is only called if no other handler catches the error. In
> your case, you probably have an error page defined in the 
> administrator. 
> 
>   -Oorspronkelijk bericht- 
>   Van: Dave Sueltenfuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>   Verzonden: vr 12/09/2003 15:48 
>   Aan: CF-Talk 
>   CC: 
>   Onderwerp: CFERROR
>   
>   
> 
>   I have setup  my application.cfm, with a type of
> REQUEST that
>   calls a local CF page. For some reason, when a syntax error
> occurs, the
>   tag does not get called, and the standard error code shows. Any
> Ideas? I
>   have included the code.
>   
>   Code within application.cfm
>   
>   
>   
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Basic CFC method design question.

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The first choice is the pinnacle of bad OO design, and is totally unnecessary in OO 
languages (it's what method overloading is for).  The second choice is much better.

- Original Message -
From: Ian Skinner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thursday, September 11, 2003 3:36 pm
Subject: Basic CFC method design question.

> Generally which is better, a single method with branching logic 
> based on a
> parameter, or separate methods? Or is there no really difference 
> and depends
> on the personal choice and the situation.
> 
> I am in the process of converting some procedural code onto cfc's. 
> I have
> several queries that where written to serve multiple purposes 
> based on the
> parameter passed to them.  Basically something along these lines...
> 
> 
> 
>   INSERT INTO tableA  
>   (Field1, Field, Field 3)
>   Values (A,B,C)
>   
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   INSERT INTO tableB
>   (field1, field2, field3)
>   VALUES(D,E,F)
> 
> 
> Basicaly if the insert is a new category add category date to the 
> category,if it is just a new data about an existing category added 
> it to the details
> table.  How might some of you more expienced OO types design this?
> 
> --
> Ian Skinner
> Web Programmer
> BloodSource
> www.BloodSource.org
> Sacramento, CA
> 
> 
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Re: RE: RE: Image manipulation

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IIRC, If you're using Photoshop, then when you are resizing/reshaping/whatever, make 
sure that you change the DPI and the pixel sizes at the same time for the web ready 
images.

- Original Message -
From: Rick Faircloth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thursday, September 11, 2003 3:39 pm
Subject: RE: RE: Image manipulation

> That part I got...what I wasn't factoring in was the "resampling" that
> was taking place when I was resizing the images...
> 
> When resampling occurs, the image is changed.  When resizing
> occurs without resampling, a new image is not created.
> 
> I think, if I'm not mistaken, that when you say "you'd have to 
> *resample*your image to 1500*2100 pixels..." you reallly mean 
> *resize*, because
> *resampling* causes the confusion we had earlier.
> 
> I need to *resample* when creating thumbnails or onscreen display 
> versions.That reduces file size...resizing without resampling does 
> not reduce file
> size
> and is therefore a bad practice for onscreen display images.
> For printing, images should be *resized*, but not *resampled*.
> 
> If you work with Photoshop, and work with resizing as well as 
> resamplingimages, which can both be done at the same time, you'll 
> know what I'm
> referring to...
> 
> Rick
> 
> 
>>  -Original Message-
>>  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>  Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 1:41 PM
>>  To: CF-Talk
>>  Subject: Re: RE: Image manipulation
>>
>>
>>  I don't understand why you're having such problems with
>>  this.  An 8X10 image @ 300 dpi is a 2400 X 3000 pixel image.
>>   Resize this image to whatever pixel dimensions you want for
>>  display purposes.  You're confusing yourself with the 72dpi.
>>   That's irrelevant.  Don't worry about it.
>>
>>  For a 5X7 @ 300 dpi, you'd have to resample your image to
>>  1500 * 2100 pixels.
>>
>>  For a 4X6 @ 300 dpi, you have 1200 * 1800 pixels.
>>
>>
>>  - Original Message -
>>  From: Rick Faircloth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>  Date: Thursday, September 11, 2003 11:12 am
>>  Subject: RE: Image manipulation
>>
>>  > It was the resampling that was complicating the
>>  discussion...my bad...
>>  >
>>  > But that brings me back to my original question about the 
> CF image
>>  > manipulation tags.  I want to be able to automatically 
> resample>  > the images
>>  > for display so the file size is smaller while keeping the
>>  > originals (if they
>>  > are
>>  > scanned or taken at higher resolutions) at the same ppi.
>>  >
>>  > I don't know yet whether or not any of the tags will 
> perform that
>>  > function.
>>  > I want to be able to upload a hi-res 8x10 image, have it 
> downsized>  > (dimensions only)
>>  > to a 5x7 and 4x6 (still at same ppi, if the camera's ppi 
> setting is
>>  > variable)
>>  > then resample the image to 72 ppi for display on the 
> website.  The
>>  > 8x10,5x7, and 4x6
>>  > are for downloading, saving, and printing...that's what
>>  I'm trying to
>>  > accomplish.
>>  >
>>  > Anyone know what tag can do this?  CFX_Image?
>>  > CF_MagickTag/ImageMagick?CFX_ImageCR from Efflare?
>>  >
>>  > If CFX_ImageCR can accomplish all of that... ppi 
> manipulation and
>>  > resampling, too,
>>  > then it'll be worth $149, easily...
>>  >
>>  > Thanks for your help...
>>  >
>>  > Rick
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >>  -Original Message-
>>  >>  From: Claude Schneegans [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>  >>  Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 12:32 PM
>>  >>  To: CF-Talk
>>  >>  Subject: Re: Image manipulation
>>  >>
>>  >>
>>  >>  >>Can't agree there...perhaps we're comparing 
> apples to
>>  > oranges...>
>>  >>  Excatly: you are comparing two different images!
>>  >>
>>  >>  >>Took the same photo and resampled it to 72 pixels per
>>  > inch (ppi),
>>  >>  360 pixels wide, and 503 pixels high. (Maximum 
> quality JPEG
>>  > setting)>
>>  >>  When you "resample" an image this way you get a 
> different>  > image.>  You say yourself one is "1501 
> pixels wide", the other
>>  > one is
>>  >>  360 pixels.
>>  >>  Of course, if you print them at the same size, thay 
> won't>  >>  look the same.
>>  >>  Here are your apples and oranges.
>>  >>
>>  >>  >>I'm not sure if we're missing something in this 
> discussion,>  >>
>>  >>  I'm pretty sure I'm not ;-)
>>  >>
>>  >>  >>Does using "ppi" as opposed to "dpi" to refer to
>>  >>  resolution make any difference in our discussion?
>>  >>
>>  >>  If you see a difference between a pixel and a dot, 
> yes it
>>  >>  could make a difference, but for me it doesn't.
>>  

Re: RE: Image manipulation

[ksuh]

I don't understand why you're having such problems with this.  An 8X10 image @ 300 dpi 
is a 2400 X 3000 pixel image.  Resize this image to whatever pixel dimensions you want 
for display purposes.  You're confusing yourself with the 72dpi.  That's irrelevant.  
Don't worry about it.

For a 5X7 @ 300 dpi, you'd have to resample your image to 1500 * 2100 pixels.

For a 4X6 @ 300 dpi, you have 1200 * 1800 pixels.


- Original Message -
From: Rick Faircloth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thursday, September 11, 2003 11:12 am
Subject: RE: Image manipulation

> It was the resampling that was complicating the discussion...my bad...
> 
> But that brings me back to my original question about the CF image
> manipulation tags.  I want to be able to automatically resample 
> the images
> for display so the file size is smaller while keeping the 
> originals (if they
> are
> scanned or taken at higher resolutions) at the same ppi.
> 
> I don't know yet whether or not any of the tags will perform that 
> function.
> I want to be able to upload a hi-res 8x10 image, have it downsized
> (dimensions only)
> to a 5x7 and 4x6 (still at same ppi, if the camera's ppi setting is
> variable)
> then resample the image to 72 ppi for display on the website.  The 
> 8x10,5x7, and 4x6
> are for downloading, saving, and printing...that's what I'm trying to
> accomplish.
> 
> Anyone know what tag can do this?  CFX_Image?  
> CF_MagickTag/ImageMagick?CFX_ImageCR from Efflare?
> 
> If CFX_ImageCR can accomplish all of that... ppi manipulation and
> resampling, too,
> then it'll be worth $149, easily...
> 
> Thanks for your help...
> 
> Rick
> 
> 
>>  -Original Message-
>>  From: Claude Schneegans [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>  Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 12:32 PM
>>  To: CF-Talk
>>  Subject: Re: Image manipulation
>>
>>
>>  >>Can't agree there...perhaps we're comparing apples to 
> oranges...>
>>  Excatly: you are comparing two different images!
>>
>>  >>Took the same photo and resampled it to 72 pixels per 
> inch (ppi),
>>  360 pixels wide, and 503 pixels high. (Maximum quality JPEG 
> setting)>
>>  When you "resample" an image this way you get a different 
> image.>  You say yourself one is "1501 pixels wide", the other 
> one is
>>  360 pixels.
>>  Of course, if you print them at the same size, thay won't
>>  look the same.
>>  Here are your apples and oranges.
>>
>>  >>I'm not sure if we're missing something in this discussion,
>>
>>  I'm pretty sure I'm not ;-)
>>
>>  >>Does using "ppi" as opposed to "dpi" to refer to
>>  resolution make any difference in our discussion?
>>
>>  If you see a difference between a pixel and a dot, yes it
>>  could make a difference, but for me it doesn't.
>>
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Re: CFTry/CFCatch

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Why not just use a  tag in your application.cfm?

- Original Message -
From: Dave Sueltenfuss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thursday, September 11, 2003 11:12 am
Subject: CFTry/CFCatch

> Good Afternoon
> 
> Is it at all possible to put CFTry/CFCatch into a page by using two
> include statements? (one at the top, and one at the bottom) I am 
> tryingto setup better error handling on my site, but do not want 
> to have to
> put the full code in each page, just include it. This way, If I 
> need to
> add something to it, I can just change it in one spot
> 
> Any help is appreciated
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Dave Sueltenfuss 
> Application Developer 
> Certified ColdFusion MX Developer 
> Arch Wireless 
> Phone: 508-870-6711 
> Fax: 508-836-2760
> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> 
> 
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Re: Gzipping cold fusion pages on IIS 5.0

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If you're using CFMX, you should be able to install a gzip filter servlet.  This will 
give you the benefits of gzipping without having to modify all your pages.

Do a google search for filters.  I haven't tried this myself - it's speculation.

- Original Message -
From: Scott Ashman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 12:27 pm
Subject: Re: Gzipping cold fusion pages on IIS 5.0

> I may need to rework some pages to get under 50% as most are 
> heavily dynamic
> and receieve over 13 hits/sec.  I'd hate to run the gzip that 
> often and
> considering I can't cache the gzip output on those particular 
> pages, I don't
> think it's feasible.  The rest of the site should work very well 
> with gzip
> though.  Thanks for the links!
> 
> > Scott:
> > if you decide to you'll save a lot more than 50%.  I just tested 
> that> 109k (html) sitemap and it gets gzipped to 12k (104979 to 
> 12279).  I set
> > cf_GZipPage to 9 on that one; the max.  You can easily test this by
> > commenting out the gzip file delete line in the tag and then just
> > viewing the file in a zip program.
> 
> 
> 
> ---
> 
> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
> Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 8/24/2003
> 
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Re: How do your ISPs handle CF mappings?

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LOL!  Anyhow, the fact that you're on Linux has no bearing on the BS they're sending 
you.

- Original Message -
From: Mauricio Giraldo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Friday, September 5, 2003 4:08 pm
Subject: How do your ISPs handle CF mappings?

> >And what does that have to do with CF mappings?
> 
> I dunno... but I feel like the weird kid in the block whose dad 
> got the Renault when everyone has a Ford or a Chrysler. When I 
> mention they have Linux, the List goes silent  :(
> 
> - mga
> 
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Re: Passing WDDX data in a form field

[ksuh]

e.g.:



- Original Message -
From: Brook Davies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Friday, September 5, 2003 3:58 pm
Subject: Passing WDDX data in a form field

> Hello,
> 
> How do you pass WDDX data in a hidden form field without it 
> breaking the 
> form and showing up on the page?
> 
> Brook
> 
> 
> 
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Re: CFObject in shared host? (Was: RE: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us? )

[ksuh]

An unscrupulous person could easily reformat a server's hard drive, kill databases, 
plant viruses, and do all sorts of nasty things way before anybody at the hosting 
company would even have a clue about what's going on.

- Original Message -
From: Doug White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wednesday, September 3, 2003 10:40 am
Subject: Re: CFObject in shared host? (Was: RE: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us? )

> Probably correct, but any shared hosting provider would probably 
> immediatelyclose your account upon the appearance of code such as 
> that - All of them do
> have Terms of Service and a legitimate user will comply willingly.
> 
> ==
> Stop spam on your domain, use our gateway!
> For hosting solutions http://www.clickdoug.com
> Featuring Win2003 Enterprise, RedHat Linux, CFMX 6.1 and all 
> databases.ISP rated: http://www.forta.com/cf/isp/isp.cfm?isp_id=772
> Suggested corporate Anti-virus policy: 
> http://www.dshield.org/antivirus.pdf==
> If you are not satisfied with my service, my job isn't done!
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Matt Liotta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 11:12 AM
> Subject: Re: CFObject in shared host? (Was: RE: DWMX 2004 - Whats 
> new for us? )
> 
> 
> | Whether cfobject is enabled or not doesn't affect the insecurity 
> of a
> | CFMX installation for shared hosting. For example...
> |
> | 
> | badThing = CreateObject("java", "a.BadThing");
> | // is the same as...
> | foo = "";
> | clazz = foo.getClass();
> | clazz = clazz.forName("a.badThing");
> | badThing = clazz.newInstance();
> | 
> |
> | -Matt
> |
> | On Wednesday, September 3, 2003, at 11:40 AM, Oliver Cookson wrote:
> |
> | > I know this has been covered before but has there been any 
> solutions to
> | > using CFObject in a shared host without creating a security 
> hazard?| >
> | > Cheers
> | >
> | > -Original Message-
> | > From: Ryan Kime [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> | > Sent: 03 September 2003 16:36
> | > To: CF-Talk
> | > Subject: RE: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us?
> | >
> | >
> | > That's a $10 a month difference and they list out versions 
> they use. I
> | > see that pricing as more agreeable for both sides and I think it's
> | > great
> | > that prices are coming down.
> | >
> | > There's a threshold where you start to lose money on every new 
> customer| > and I'm sure it's different for everyone. But I 
> remember Dell got into
> | > hosting and were offering $16.95 plans with CF. Guess how long 
> that| > lasted? About a year. And they are a huge company, so it 
> makes me
> | > wonder
> | > about the smaller hosts and their ability to sustain at that 
> level of
> | > price vs. features without cutting corners.
> | >
> | > Just want to make sure people ask the right questions when 
> they look
> | > for
> | > hosting. I look forward to seeing that BD hosting list.
> | >
> | > -Ryan
> | >
> | > -Original Message-
> | > From: Massimo Foti [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> | > Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 10:15 AM
> | > To: CF-Talk
> | > Subject: Re: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us?
> | >
> | >
> | >> "There's no such thing as a free lunch"
> | >>
> | >> I would be leery of *free* CF and SQL Server, both of those 
> cost a
> | >> pretty penny and are not easy to cover without passing some 
> of the
> | >> cost on to customers. It also makes me wonder why they use 
> the term
> | >> "FREE" and not "included" when describing their plans.
> | >>
> | >> Which version of CF are they using? If it's Pro/Standard and not
> | > Enterprise,
> | >> don't walk, but run away as fast as you can.
> | >
> | > Other companies offer low prices too:
> | >
> | > http://www.crystaltech.com/plan2.htm
> | >
> | > The quality is excellent, with SQL Server 2000 and CF 6.1 
> Enterprise| > running on Win 2003. Hosting prices keep going down, 
> not as fast as a
> | > few years ago, but they are more affordable than ever
> | >
> | > 
> | > Massimo Foti
> | > Certified Dreamweaver MX Developer
> | > Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer
> | > http://www.massimocorner.com/
> | > 
> | >
> | >
> | >
> | >
> | >
> | 
> 
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Re: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us?

[ksuh]

> Does it work with CFMX at all?

No, it doesn't work with CFMX.

and would probably 
> require  
> substantial changes to CFMX's compiler to support the sort of  
> single-step / step-in / step-out / breakpoint / watch point stuff 
> that  
> some languages boast. Part of the problem when writing debugging 
> tools  
> for high-level languages like CFML is how to map the source code 
> to /  
> from the executable code in a debugger and how to provide the 
> 'hooks'  
> necessary for a debugger to peek inside a running program - you  
> normally end up with 'compile-for-debug' vs 'compile-for-
> production'  
> switches. I'd love to see it in CF at some point but I'm not 
> holding my  
> breath!

Well, it was available in CF4-5.  And those versions of CF were written in C/C++.



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Re: RE: RE: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us?

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> While I probably wouldn't have used the phrase "steaming pile of 
> crap", I
> agree that it's not nearly as good for the single task of writing 
> ASP.NETapplications as VS.NET. I don't really think that MM 
> intends Dreamweaver to
> be a replacement for VS.NET, though. There's no facility to write
> code-behind classes, for example; I get the impression that the 
> intent is to
> have people use it for presentation logic, then have other people 
> writingbusiness logic and code-behind stuff using VS.NET. While 

Then MM should market it as such.

What you've described with the multi-tier project does make sense.  However, does DWMX 
understand VS.NET projects?  How about source control?  Does DWMX properly render 
ASP.NET custom controls?

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Re: RE: RE: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us?

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> I think if you judge 'competition' on what's most important... sales.
> Then VS has its work cut out for it. Cuz I don't know anyone 
> (includingmyself) who paid for VS (outside of MSDN).

Other than anecdotal evidence (which is the worst kind), how well has VS been selling? 
 And I'd say MS is making quite a bit of money even with just MSDN sales.

> And last I checked, VS has _no_ CF support.

So?

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Re: RE: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us?

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> In the end, I think having an IDE that welcomes other developers 
> is an
> excellent R&D opportunity as well. If MM knows what ASP and PHP coders
> are doing, what their tools offer, etc. it gives them better 
> insight on
> how to keep CF competitive - or one step ahead as is the current
> situation.

In regards to .NET, DW is a steaming pile of crap compared to VS.NET.  They're not 
even in the same league.  Mind you, DW is way cheaper than VS.NET :)  But, I'd still 
buy VS.NET over DW any day of the week.  The  Professional version is a little bit 
more than DW, and it contains interactive debugging, a fully featured database front 
end, great help, intellisense, a better code editor, and the higher editions have 
design tools that DW will probably _never_ have.  Or, I can get VS.NET standard for < 
$100, which is far, far cheaper than DW.

Or heck, I can get Primal Code for $249, I can then code in .NET, php, and CF, and a 
whole bunch of other languages.

Or, I can get Eclipse for free, and do what I want with it.

Point being: MM has a heck of a lot (and I mean a LOT) of work to do with DW before it 
becomes a serious contender in the IDE market.

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Re: RE: CF in XSL, passing variables

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Shh, it's open source and written in Java, therefore it must be good :)

- Original Message -
From: "Bryan F. Hogan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 9:26 am
Subject: RE: CF in XSL, passing variables

> Yep, :)
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 11:28 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: CF in XSL, passing variables
> 
> 
> The true irony here is that Apache Xalan has significantly more
> proprietary extensions to the XSLT specification than MSXML does.
> 
> Matt Liotta
> President & CEO
> Montara Software, Inc.
> http://www.MontaraSoftware.com
> (888) 408-0900 x901
> 
> 
> 
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Re: clustered processing?

[ksuh]

It's called distributed computing.  A popular layman's example would be [EMAIL 
PROTECTED]  Do a google search.

In CF?  Could be done at a certain level.

- Original Message -
From: "LI, Chunshen (Don)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 3:39 pm
Subject: clustered processing?

> Hi,
> 
> It strucks me that there must be a way to do some sort
> of 'clustered' processing, which is sort of analogous
> to 'server clustering' if my basic understanding of
> 'server clustering' is correct.
> 
> Hear this, one complex request (the request actually
> has several parts) needs an extremely complex query,
> now, is there any way to delegate 'each part' of a
> complex request to 'each process unit/script', then,
> make 'each process unit' return resultset to a common
> resultset unit?
> 
> Or this sort of problem is usually adequately solved
> by CF servers clustering?  Since I've never used
> server clustering I'm in the dark about that.
> 
> Any ideas/thoughts?  Thanks.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: RE: CF in XSL, passing variables

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Eh?  MSXML is a COM component that implements XML functionality (XSLT, XPath, etc).  
Earlier versions didn't really follow the W3C specs, but the latest version is 
supposed to suck less.

- Original Message -
From: "Bryan F. Hogan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 3:36 pm
Subject: RE: CF in XSL, passing variables

> MSXML will only work on Windows. It is the same thing as "There 
> may be a few
> 3rd party tools that can help with this."
> 
> Just keep in mind if you don't know already that MSXML is not part 
> of the
> specification of XML and XSLT. It's just like the CFML solutions 
> that people
> posted.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Bruce Rojas-Rennke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 5:25 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: CF in XSL, passing variables
> 
> 
> Hello all,
> 
>  Just cracked it - using CF 5.0, MSxml 3.0, win2k server
> guess it can be done.. used an url variable & addparameter method 
> in the
> transformation with MUCH trial and error on syntax and components. 
> wottaMESS - can't say I'm in love with XML/XSL at the moment...
> 
> - Flashlight
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Bryan F. Hogan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 2:00 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: CF in XSL, passing variables
> 
> 
> Bruce it is not possible to pass a variable to your stylesheet 
> with the
> current implementation of XSLT. I have seen posts on xml.com 
> regarding XSLT2
> where this is in the works for the next version of XSLT. There may 
> be a few
> 3rd party tools that can help with this. The first place I would 
> check is
> xml.com, I remember seeing a solution to your problem awhile back 
> but don't
> remember where I had seen it.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Bruce Rojas-Rennke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 11:12 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: CF in XSL, passing variables
> 
> 
> Hey thanks for the post,
> 
>  Actually I'm wanting to generate HTML, not XML with my XSL 
> transform. does
> that negate the below approach?
> 
> thanks- Flashlight
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Ciaran Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: None
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: CF in XSL, passing variables
> 
> 
> I think I know what you are trying to do, and it's simply not 
> possible. You
> want to be able to access a variable like a URL variable in a HTML 
> page from
> within your XSL page.
> There is a way to do this in Java's implementation of XSL, but not the
> flavour that Cold fusion have given us. I even went to CF_Europe and
> cornered a guy about it and he says that MM weren't planning to 
> allow that
> functionality, and to essentially move on and find another way :(
> But I did, even though it's a bit of a pain.
> What I did (this assumes you are using your XSL to render a XML 
> document)was insert a generic node set under the root node of the 
> doc I was trying to
> render, like so:
> 
> 
> ...Data
> 
> 
> 
>  2323221
>  Oil Filter
> 
> 
> 
> 
> The values are totally up to you. Since you then know in your XSL 
> that you
> have a generic nodeset under the root node of your XML document, 
> you can
> create hidden variables in your HTML from these, and then use them 
> like form
> variables.
> 
> Hope this helps your situation :)
> 
> Ciaran
> 
> 
> >Hello all,
> >
> >I am trying to pass an url variable from one xsl page to another 
> and USE
> it.
> >
> >How could I...
> >
> >a.) invoke the url-variable in xsl..
> >
> >OR
> >
> >b.) output Cold Fusion in the XSL page, like..
> >#url.item#
> >
> >this has gotten me NO replies in various XSL forums,
> >gawd - can't you pass a bloody variable in XSL, what a pain in 
> the a**
> >
> >all thanks - flashlight
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: OT: MS-SQL EXEC Statement and subqueries

[ksuh]

Not using stored procs.  In SQL Server 2000, you can use UDFs, which will do what you 
need.

- Original Message -
From: Tyler Clendenin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 12:37 pm
Subject: OT: MS-SQL EXEC Statement and subqueries

> This is a multiparter.
> 1.  Given the Statement EXEC('SELECT GetDate()') Returns the current
> datetime.  Now lets say that 'SELECT GetDate()' Is stored in the 
> database in
> the table Temp with an PK of 1.  
> Is there a way to do this:
>EXEC((SELECT QueryVal FROM Temp WHERE Temp_id = 1))
> Without having to do this:
>SET @tempVar = (SELECT QueryVal FROM Tests WHERE Test_id = 1)
>EXEC(@tempVar)
> 
> 2.  If i have a stored procedure which returns an INT can i EXEC 
> the stored
> procedure inside of a subquery.  
> Example:
>SELECT * FROM MyTable WHERE MyID = (EXEC sp_getID)
> 
> 3.  Could I combine the two ideas above.
> Example:
>SELECT * FROM MyTable WHERE MyDate = (EXEC((SELECT QueryVal 
> FROM Temp
> WHERE Temp_id = 1)))
> 
> I am asking this because i am trying to build an application to 
> query the
> database and create groupings based on query values and also allow 
> groups to
> include other groups.
> 
> Tyler Clendenin
> GSL Solutions
> 
> 
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Re: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us?

[ksuh]

Whoa, MX 3004!  That one better be good!

- Original Message -
From: Doug White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Monday, August 25, 2003 2:02 pm
Subject: Re: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us?

> I strongly recommend that every Cf'er, studio, and dreamweaver 
> user, who have
> not already planned to do so to contact the user group in your 
> area who is
> participating in the Worldwide Macromedia user group meeting 
> sponsored by
> Macromedia via Breeze on September 3, 2004.   An additional perk 
> is a copy of
> StudioMX 3004 will be raffled off at each meeting (a $499.00 value)
> 
> You will get to see all the new features and functionality, as 
> well as have the
> opportunity to ask all the questions you want of the development 
> team and
> presenters.
> 
> This will be a live, interactive audio and visual presentation, 
> the first of
> it's kind.
> 
> http://www.macromedia.com/  click on "user groups" on the right 
> site of the
> page!
> 
> ==
> Stop spam on your domain, use our gateway!
> For hosting solutions http://www.clickdoug.com
> ISP rated: http://www.forta.com/cf/isp/isp.cfm?isp_id=772
> Suggested corporate Anti-virus policy: 
> http://www.dshield.org/antivirus.pdf==
> If you are not satisfied with my service, my job isn't done!
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Sandy Clark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 1:20 PM
> Subject: DWMX 2004 - Whats new for us?
> 
> 
> | I've gone through all the features in the Macromedia Site and 
> I'm still
> | confused.
> |
> | I went to the Dreamweaver MX Vision session at last year's 
> DevCon and one of
> | the things that impressed me was the speaker's admission that 
> they knew they
> | hadn't created a DWMX that was able to be everything for the CF 
> Coder.  He
> | promised that the next version (2004) was going to be the one 
> that "got it
> | right for CF coders".  I also went to Ben's Bird of a Feather on 
> the same
> | subject and there was a lot of good stuff that came out of that 
> forum as
> | well.
> |
> | However, the stuff I am seeing on the Web site, CSS Support, 
> built in
> | graphics editor, still seems to mostly be aimed at the designer 
> and not the
> | programmer.
> |
> | Could someone who was on the beta (assuming your NDA is expired) 
> or from
> | MACR give us a listing of updates that will benefit CF Coders?
> |
> | Can we now:
> | Assign Snippets to keystrokes?
> | SQL builder ala Homesite +?
> | Anything else?
> |
> | I'm really curious. I still haven't really switched to DWMX 
> since I can code
> | faster in Homesite+.  I've written extensions for DWMX so I 
> don't consider
> | myself a neophyte or someone who hasn't tried.  I really want to 
> like it.  I
> | really want to know what are the new features for coders, not 
> designers.|
> | Sandy
> |
> |
> | 
> 
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Re: RE: MS SQL Server vs. MySQL

[ksuh]

Go to http://www.microsoft.com/sql/msde/default.asp for more info.

- Original Message -
From: Bryan Stevenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Monday, August 25, 2003 10:08 am
Subject: Re: RE: MS SQL Server vs. MySQL

> Hey Jeff,
> 
> Great...thanks for the info.  I'm certainly starting to think that 
> MSDE will
> be a great alternative for our smaller clients.
> 
> Now it sounds like it's totally free??  any licenceing issues?
> 
> Does anybody know of ISPs that will host MSDE DBs?  or is 
> generally used for
> apps running co-lo or dedicated servers?
> 
> TIA
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
> VP & Director of E-Commerce Development
> Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
> t. 250.920.8830
> e. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> -
> Macromedia Associate Partner
> www.macromedia.com
> -
> Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group
> Founder & Director
> www.cfug-vancouverisland.com
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jeff Lucido" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 9:02 AM
> Subject: RE: RE: MS SQL Server vs. MySQL
> 
> 
> > Bryan:
> >
> > 1. Yes, I use Enterprise Manager to connect to several MSDE 
> databases> running at client locations.
> > 2. Yes, MSDE can be found on both the Office 2K and XP Professional
> > CD's. You can also download a new instance by downloading MSDE 
> SP3 from
> > Microsoft. I just did it as a test this past week where I had no
> > previous install of MSDE and I ran MSDE SP3 and it installed a 
> brand-new
> > instance for me.
> >
> > Hope that helps!
> >
> > Good luck,
> > -JSLucido
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Bryan Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 10:44 AM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: Re: RE: MS SQL Server vs. MySQL
> >
> >
> > Just wondering from those that use MSDE
> >
> > 1) Can Enterprise Manager from a licenced copy of MS SQL Server 
> connect> to a remote MSDE DB?
> >
> > 2) Can you get MSDE seperate from the Standard or Enterprise 
> versions of
> > MS SQL Server (because the MS site seems to say it comes 
> with...in which
> > case a client would have to cough up full price for a full-blown 
> version> = no benefit)?
> >
> > TIA
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
> > VP & Director of E-Commerce Development
> > Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
> > t. 250.920.8830
> > e. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > -
> > Macromedia Associate Partner
> > www.macromedia.com
> > -
> > Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group
> > Founder & Director
> > www.cfug-vancouverisland.com
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Josh Remus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 12:09 PM
> > Subject: RE: RE: MS SQL Server vs. MySQL
> >
> >
> > > It does include osql if you just need shell-type/command-
> prompt SQL
> > access.
> > > We have licenses for SQL Server, so I do use Enterprise 
> Manager to
> > > manage our MSDE databases.
> > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 1:49 PM
> > > > To: CF-Talk
> > > > Subject: Re: RE: MS SQL Server vs. MySQL
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >  but to
> > > > > get the 2k version, you need either MSDN, Sql server 2k, 
> or Office
> >
> > > > > XP.
> > > >
> > > > Yeah, it looks that way now.  Funny, I went to their site a 
> couple> > > of months ago and downloaded from there.  Those wacky 
> MS guys.
> > > >
> > > > One thing:  MSDE comes with no front end tools, so you'll need
> > > > either the client tools from Enterprise Manager, or Access, 
> or a
> > > > third party front end.  One might be better off getting a 
> developer> > > license for SQL Server, which is now only $49.  
> There was a thread
> > > > about it a while ago.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> > 
> 
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Re: RE: RE: CFREPORT

[ksuh]

You can use a windows platform.  If you need more help, email me directly.

- Original Message -
From: "Ciliotta, Mario" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Friday, August 22, 2003 4:41 pm
Subject: RE: RE: CFREPORT

> This looks really cool.  I assume you need to running Apache web 
> server for
> this.  Is there an NT or Win200x versions or something equivalent.
> 
> Mario
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 5:52 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: RE: CFREPORT
> 
> 
> Also, there's FOP - http://xml.apache.org/fop.  I've been using it 
> recentlyand I LOVE it.  Absolute positioning, and it understands 
> pages!!
> - Original Message -
> From: Joshua Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Friday, August 22, 2003 3:12 pm
> Subject: RE: CFREPORT
> 
> > Look at HTML2PDF ... It's a great tag that easilly converts your 
> HTML> output to PDF.
> > 
> > Or just add a print icon with the click-action
> > onclick="javascript:window.print()"
> > 
> > Joshua Miller
> > Head Programmer / IT Manager
> > Garrison Enterprises Inc.
> > www.garrisonenterprises.net
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > (704) 569-0801 ext. 254
> > 
> > 
> > 
> *
> > Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual 
> > sender,except where the sender states them to be the views of 
> > Garrison Enterprises Inc.
> > 
> > This e-mail is intended only for the individual or entity to 
> which 
> > it is
> > addressed and contains information that is private and 
> > confidential. If
> > you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any
> > dissemination, distribution or copying is strictly prohibited. 
> If 
> > you 
> > have received this e-mail in error please delete it immediately and
> > advise us by return e-mail to 
> >
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > *
> > 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Kris Pilles [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 11:48 AM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: RE: CFREPORT
> > 
> > 
> > Lol I know... That's what I was trying to avoid
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Marlon Moyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 11:46 AM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: Re: CFREPORT
> > 
> > 
> > No, but Crystal Decisions will sell you a piece of software that 
> > does 
> > for only the price of a small car. :-)
> > 
> > Marlon
> > 
> > Kris Pilles wrote:
> > 
> > >OK.  I got it to work.  Now, is there a way with CFREPORT to 
> > print the
> > >report or generate it as a pdf?
> > >
> > >KP
> > >
> > >-Original Message-
> > >From: Kris Pilles
> > >Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 10:28 AM
> > >To: CF-Talk
> > >Subject: RE: CFREPORT
> > >
> > >
> > >Thanks... I copied over the DLLnow lets hope the rest works
> > >
> > >-Original Message-
> > >From: Josh Remus [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 10:23 AM
> > >To: CF-Talk
> > >Subject: RE: CFREPORT
> > >
> > >
> > >I could never get CFREPORT to work for me, but this tech note 
> > explains>what needs to be done to correct THAT problem. 51249
> > >   Crystal Reports 9 no longer installs the crpe32.dll file in 
> the 
> > >C:\Winnt\system32 directory; it installs the file in the 
> > C:\Program 
> > >Files\Common Files\Crystal Decisions\2.0\bin directory. 
> > ColdFusion 
> > >looks for this file in the C:\Winnt\system32 directory. If the 
> > wrong 
> > >version of the crpe32.dll is in theC:\Winnt\system32 directory, 
> > users 
> > >receive the error "An unexpected error occurred while using the 
> > Crystal
> > >Engine.Error number 525 occurred."
> > >
> > >If you use Crystal Reports 9, copy the crpe32.dll file from the
> > >C:\Program Files\Common Files\Crystal Decisions\2.0\bin 
> directory 
> > to 
> > >the C:\Winnt\system32 directory.
> > >
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> > >>-Original Message-
> > >>From: Kris Pilles [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >>Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 10:11 AM
> > >>To: CF-Talk
> > >>Subject: CFREPORT
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>Do you need Crystal Reports Enterprise to use CFREPORT???
> > >>
> > >>We have verion 9 of the report application server  and I get the
> > >>following error:
> > >>
> > >>Error Occurred While Processing Request
> > >>The Crystal Reports Engine (CRPE32.DLL) could not be located 
> on this
> > >>server. ColdFusion's reporting functionality requires the 
> > Crystal>>
> > >>
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> > >>Engine. Please verify that you have installed this component 
> before> >>using the CFREPORT tag.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>Please try the following:
> > >>* Enable Robust Exception Information to provide greater detail
> > >>about the source of errors. In the Administrator, click 
> > Debugging &
> > >>Logging > Debugging Settings, and select the Robust Exception 
> > >>Information option.
> > >>* Check the ColdFusion documentation
> > >><" target="l">" 
> target="l">http://www.macromedia.com/go/p

Re: RE: CFREPORT

[ksuh]

Also, there's FOP - http://xml.apache.org/fop.  I've been using it recently and I LOVE 
it.  Absolute positioning, and it understands pages!!

- Original Message -
From: Joshua Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Friday, August 22, 2003 3:12 pm
Subject: RE: CFREPORT

> Look at HTML2PDF ... It's a great tag that easilly converts your HTML
> output to PDF.
> 
> Or just add a print icon with the click-action
> onclick="javascript:window.print()"
> 
> Joshua Miller
> Head Programmer / IT Manager
> Garrison Enterprises Inc.
> www.garrisonenterprises.net
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> (704) 569-0801 ext. 254
> 
> 
> *
> Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual 
> sender,except where the sender states them to be the views of 
> Garrison Enterprises Inc.
> 
> This e-mail is intended only for the individual or entity to which 
> it is
> addressed and contains information that is private and 
> confidential. If
> you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any
> dissemination, distribution or copying is strictly prohibited. If 
> you 
> have received this e-mail in error please delete it immediately and
> advise us by return e-mail to 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> *
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Kris Pilles [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 11:48 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: CFREPORT
> 
> 
> Lol I know... That's what I was trying to avoid
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Marlon Moyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 11:46 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: CFREPORT
> 
> 
> No, but Crystal Decisions will sell you a piece of software that 
> does 
> for only the price of a small car. :-)
> 
> Marlon
> 
> Kris Pilles wrote:
> 
> >OK.  I got it to work.  Now, is there a way with CFREPORT to 
> print the
> >report or generate it as a pdf?
> >
> >KP
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: Kris Pilles
> >Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 10:28 AM
> >To: CF-Talk
> >Subject: RE: CFREPORT
> >
> >
> >Thanks... I copied over the DLLnow lets hope the rest works
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: Josh Remus [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 10:23 AM
> >To: CF-Talk
> >Subject: RE: CFREPORT
> >
> >
> >I could never get CFREPORT to work for me, but this tech note 
> explains>what needs to be done to correct THAT problem. 51249
> > Crystal Reports 9 no longer installs the crpe32.dll file in the 
> >C:\Winnt\system32 directory; it installs the file in the 
> C:\Program 
> >Files\Common Files\Crystal Decisions\2.0\bin directory. 
> ColdFusion 
> >looks for this file in the C:\Winnt\system32 directory. If the 
> wrong 
> >version of the crpe32.dll is in theC:\Winnt\system32 directory, 
> users 
> >receive the error "An unexpected error occurred while using the 
> Crystal
> >Engine.Error number 525 occurred."
> >
> >If you use Crystal Reports 9, copy the crpe32.dll file from the
> >C:\Program Files\Common Files\Crystal Decisions\2.0\bin directory 
> to 
> >the C:\Winnt\system32 directory.
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >>-Original Message-
> >>From: Kris Pilles [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 10:11 AM
> >>To: CF-Talk
> >>Subject: CFREPORT
> >>
> >>
> >>Do you need Crystal Reports Enterprise to use CFREPORT???
> >>
> >>We have verion 9 of the report application server  and I get the
> >>following error:
> >>
> >>Error Occurred While Processing Request
> >>The Crystal Reports Engine (CRPE32.DLL) could not be located on this
> >>server. ColdFusion's reporting functionality requires the 
> Crystal>>
> >>
> >
> >  
> >
> >>Engine. Please verify that you have installed this component before
> >>using the CFREPORT tag.
> >>
> >>
> >>Please try the following:
> >>*   Enable Robust Exception Information to provide greater detail
> >>about the source of errors. In the Administrator, click 
> Debugging &
> >>Logging > Debugging Settings, and select the Robust Exception 
> >>Information option.
> >>*   Check the ColdFusion documentation
> >><" target="l">http://www.macromedia.com/go/proddoc_getdoc>  to 
> verify that you are
> >>using the correct syntax.
> >>*   Search the Knowledge Base
> >><" target="l">http://www.macromedia.com/support/coldfusion/>  to 
> find a solution to
> >>
> >>
> >
> >  
> >
> >>your problem.
> >>Browser Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; .NET
> >>CLR 1.0.3705; .NET CLR 1.1.4322)
> >>Remote Address  7.1.1.4
> >>Referrerhttp://webmaster.wsboces.org/Crystal/index.cfm
> >>Date/Time   22-Aug-03 10:10 AM
> >>
> >>
> >>Kris Pilles
> >>Website Manager
> >>Western Suffolk BOCES
> >>507 Deer Park Rd., Building C
> >>Phone: 631-549-4900 x 267
> >>E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 
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Re: RE: RE: MS SQL Server vs. MySQL

[ksuh]

Oh yeah, forgot about osql.  Ah well, if one does need a visual interface, then keep 
in mind MSDE's lack of an included on.

- Original Message -
From: Dave Watts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Friday, August 22, 2003 1:12 pm
Subject: RE: RE: MS SQL Server vs. MySQL

> > One thing:  MSDE comes with no front end tools, so you'll 
> > need either the client tools from Enterprise Manager, or 
> > Access, or a third party front end.
> 
> ... or you can use the osql command-line tool which comes with it, 
> if you're
> comfortable with T-SQL - you can perform most tasks through it, 
> such as
> database and table creation.
> 
> Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
> http://www.figleaf.com/
> voice: (202) 797-5496
> fax: (202) 797-5444
> 
> 
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Re: RE: MS SQL Server vs. MySQL

[ksuh]

 but to
> get the 2k version, you need either MSDN, Sql server 2k, or Office XP.

Yeah, it looks that way now.  Funny, I went to their site a couple of months ago and 
downloaded from there.  Those wacky MS guys.

One thing:  MSDE comes with no front end tools, so you'll need either the client tools 
from Enterprise Manager, or Access, or a third party front end.  One might be better 
off getting a developer license for SQL Server, which is now only $49.  There was a 
thread about it a while ago.

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Re: MS SQL Server vs. MySQL

[ksuh]

Oh yeah, replication.  mySQL's replication is quite good.  I like it a lot more than 
SQL Server's.

- Original Message -
From: John Paul Ashenfelter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thursday, August 21, 2003 5:40 pm
Subject: Re: MS SQL Server vs. MySQL

> Interestingly enough, MySQL was developed for a data warehousing 
> projectsince the existing tools were too heavyweight (and 
> expensive) for the
> project budget.
> 
> I taught a course at OSCON on MySQL Datawarehousing and it was *very*
> popular -- the Yahoo guys were there. And Monty. And a whole bunch 
> of folks
> looking for fast database backends for reporting.
> 
> It's been interesting to see the criticism over time for MySQL. It 
> used to
> be "No transactions so it sucks" which was solved by InnoDB and 
> BDB tables.
> There were all the "it's really slow" complaints which were 
> knocked out of
> the park in 4.0 for many applications (the infamous eWeek 
> comparison for
> example). There's always the referential integrity issue (you can 
> acutuallydefine foreign keys -- the engine simply doesn't enforce 
> them... yet). And
> then the whole views/stored procs/triggers thing. And what else -- 
> replication (works well in 4.0), unions (4.0), subqueries (working 
> in 4.1
> alpha). And of course the phpMyAdmin sucks (it does) which is 
> partiallyanswered by the new free cross-platform MySQLCC tool from 
> MySQL AB.
> 
> I can think of a much longer list of complaints about MySQL from 
> years of
> use. varchar(255) is my biggest peeve, esp when converting from 
> other dbs.
> 
> Can't wait to see the criticism once 5.0 is out -- running out of 
> things to
> miss :) By all means, please look at postgres if you need an 
> "enterprise"db. Or MySAP at least until MySQL AB's finished 
> integrating it. But
> MySQL has it's place. Datawarehousing (reporting) is one prime 
> area. Places
> were speed is more important than amount of code (ie more code for
> referential integrity) developed. And as Jochem points out, it 
> does a few
> weird things SQL-wise when you pass in bad values and strange 
> situations -- 
> that happens in most dbs, but MySQL seems to have (many) more quirks.
> 
> Plenty of cool things. Customized table types PER TABLE (need a 
> bunch of
> non-ACID lookup tables? MyISAM those puppies). The memory cache 
> rocks! Runs
> on 64-bit AMD and Intel processors right now. DATE data types (try 
> goingback to the MS-SQL date difference code once you've worked 
> with date
> intervals). Lots of internationalization options (even if it 
> defaults to
> Swedish alphabet sorting in some versions... :) And most importantly,
> they've got the money to do things right (upwards of US$20M) which 
> has let
> them hire all the key MySQL developers from the community (and 
> writers like
> Paul DuBois).
> 
> So you evaluate it -- does it work for your app or not? I now 
> generallystart projects either on MSDE/MS-SQL or MySQL for small-
> mid sized clients.
> The cost for Access (or MS-SQL) to MySQL is non-trivial so it's a 
> good idea
> to make that decision early.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> John Paul Ashenfelter
> CTO/Transitionpoint
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Jochem van Dieten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 5:43 PM
> Subject: Re: MS SQL Server vs. MySQL
> 
> 
> > Bryan Stevenson wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm not all that familiar with MySQL, but from what I hear 
> it's not as
> good
> > > as MS SQL Server (which I use along with Oracle).
> >
> > "good" depends on the task.
> >
> >
> > > The MySQL.com website says that upcoming features for version 
> 5 include:
> > > -views
> > > -stored procedures
> > > -triggers
> > > -sub-queries
> > >
> > > Now if it's missing all that then what is itAccess on 
> steroids?? ;-)
> >
> > It is a fast data storage mechanism with a SQL like syntax. As
> > for SQL support and 'doing the right thing' I rate it lower as
> > Access, but it is fast and can handle concurrency better as Access.
> >
> > Very suited for read-only systems where data integrity or
> > relational features are not so important. (For instance, the US
> > Census Bureau uses MySQL to power their webservers. It is very
> > suited for that due to its speed and the price, but the actual
> > data the Census Bureau depends on is stored in Oracle and loaded
> > into the MySQL servers every night. Many other organizations use
> > MySQL like that.)
> >
> > IMHO it is most definitely not suited as a "no brains" upgrade
> > from Access. Due to the lack of features such as referential
> > integrity and views and the way in which some functionality
> > behaves totally different from Access (or any other database or
> > the SQL standard for that matter) you actually need to know quite
> > a bit about it.
> >
> > Jochem
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> 
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Re: RE: MS SQL Server vs. MySQL

[ksuh]

Yes, very true.  Especially things like DTS, the various export functionality 
(although some of the mySQL front ends do this for you), and the Query Analyser.

- Original Message -
From: "Mark A. Kruger - CFG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thursday, August 21, 2003 5:27 pm
Subject: RE: MS SQL Server vs. MySQL

> Not to play devils advocate but... IMO - MSSQL is really NOT that 
> expensivewhen you consider the overall cost of development for a 
> high quality
> Application.  In my opinion it can defray development costs by 
> shifting some
> tasks (referential integrity, data routines etc) to the db 
> platform.  Yes,
> using MySQL saves you money on the platform, but you end up 
> shoveling it out
> to developers on the other end for more complex code base (which
> incedentally leads to higher code maintenanance cost - an 
> reoccuring drain).
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Matt Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 3:35 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: MS SQL Server vs. MySQL
> 
> 
> > Now if it's missing all that then what is itAccess on
> > steroids?? ;-)
> 
> Yes, precisely.  All the basics and none of the fancy stuff, plus 
> speed.  If
> you've outgrown Access and your budget is not ready for the MSSQL 
> hit then
> mySQL is a viable alternative.
> 
> I use it myself quite a bit, and I do love it, but its not a full-
> featureproduct.
> 
> --
> ---
> Matt Robertson, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbase.com
> ---
> 
> --
> 
> 
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Re: MS SQL Server vs. MySQL

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> Speed when you read data, on insert it can slow down quite a lot. 
> I don't
> know about version 4.x, but older versions used to lock on write 
> at the
> table level; totally insane in my opinion.

Version 4 locks at the page level, IIRC.  On the other hand, I don't think locking at 
the table level is all that bad - it takes time to lock a particular row, or a page, 
and that may take longer than just locking the whole table outright.

> 
> It can also slow down developing since it doesn't enforce referential
> integrity and you have to do it on the application (same for cascading
> delete)

Using InnoDB tables gives you referential integrity.  This was introduced in a later 
version of v3, IIRC.

On the whole, I like mySQL.  Earlier versions were simply deplorable and near useless, 
but v4 looks very nice.  My biggest pet peeves are the lack of subqueries, and no 
views.  Everything else I could live without.  And the price is right. :)

Oh, and mySQL's date handling is far, far superior to SQL Server's.  It's on a whole 
other level.


> 
> 
> > If you've outgrown Access and your budget is not ready for the 
> MSSQL hit
> > then mySQL is a viable alternative.
> 
> I really think that in this scenario Postgres is a much better 
> alternative,but maybe it's just me...
> 
> 
> Massimo Foti
> Certified Dreamweaver MX Developer
> Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer
> http://www.massimocorner.com/
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: WOT: Securing word docs, excel, etc in a web app

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Two choices:

1)  Place the files in a non-web accessible directory.  Then, create a CF template 
that retrieves the file from the non-web accessible directory.

2)  Place the files into a database.  Then, create a CF template that retrieves the 
file from the database.

- Original Message -
From: Griffin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thursday, August 21, 2003 12:11 pm
Subject: WOT: Securing word docs, excel, etc in a web app

> Hi,
> This is off topic, but I am sure many of you have had to deal with
> issues such as these in the past.
> 
> I have been living in a bubble for the past 3 years and have 
> developpedmany web apps in CF, ASP and JSP on secure networks with 
> no Internet
> connection. For the first time, I am building an Internet based 
> web app
> in CF. Creating the members only portion with user authentication 
> and so
> on is no problem. 
> 
> However, the site's main focus is to share research data among 
> members.Most members want to upload MS Word docs, MS Excel docs 
> and PDFs. The
> site will be hosted at an ISP, so using IIS or NT security is not an
> option. 
> 
> So here is my dilema, once I have uploaded documents that I only want
> members to access, how can I achieve something better than "security
> through obscurity" and prevent people from stumbling on the docs by
> guessing or as the result of a search engine search? Same question for
> images. There will be images in .jpg and .gif format which are 
> destinedfor members eyes only.
> 
> Any recommendations appreciated.
> 
> Grif
> 
> 
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Re: OT: packet sniffer

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Telnet is your cheapest alternative, and lets you see all the info that gets passed.

- Original Message -
From: "Michael T. Tangorre" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Monday, August 18, 2003 9:21 am
Subject: OT: packet sniffer

> I am in the hunt for a tool that will allow me see the http 
> traffic to and from ym machine. I am trying to debug an 
> application that makes http posts to some servers and need to see 
> what im sending and receiving.
> 
> I have ethereal now, are there any alternatives (free if possible).
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> ---
> ---
> Michael Tangorre
> Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer
> Real Magnet, LLC
> 202-244-7845
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
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Re: Objects Everywhere!

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> 1.One of the things I'd like to do is populate a user's session
> with a user object that persists. Now my concern here is that this
> object is being created for each authenticated user. I'm assuming that
> all methods effectively get copied ot every user as well (again I'm
> assuming). This sounds expensive. If I get to 200, 300, etc. 
> concurrentlogged-in users, is this an inefficient way to do things?

Although there could be 200 instances (object) of a CFC (class), there would only be 
one definition of a particular method, and thus only one instantiation of that method, 
IIRC.

> 
> 2.Another sort of related quesiton is the idea of an object having
> other objects (i.e. composition). Here's my concern here. Let's 
> say I've
> got a user object that has one to many bookmarks associated with 
> it. If
> a user has say 15 bookmarks, this also seems inefficient. Hal Helms
> explained composition nicely with a simple Person-Address composition
> relationship (i.e. a person has an address). This makes sense and 
> isn'tworrisome b/c it is more or less a one-to-one relationship 
> (or close to
> it). But if an object is composed of potentially many objects - is 
> thisstill the best way to go? The alternative obviously is to just 
> pull back
> the bookmarks as part & parcel of the person object's get method and
> just make it a native property of person (structure/query/whatever).

Well, according to the Gang of Four, you should favor composition over inheritance, as 
well as make classes responsible for themselves.  So, your present approach sounds 
good from a design point of view.


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Re: RE: Crossborwser support WAS: Simple html question

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Don't forget http://www.oswd.org

- Original Message -
From: Sandy Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 1:09 pm
Subject: RE: Crossborwser support WAS: Simple html question

> Try these sites for some good css/layouts.
> 
> 
> http://glish.com/css/
> http://www.bluerobot.com/web/layouts/
> http://realworldstyle.com/
> http://www.fu2k.org/alex/css/layouts/3Col_OrderedAbsolute.mhtml
> 
> Keep in mind though that when using web standards, you have to be 
> designingfor web standard compatible browsers.  You have to throw 
> out the idea that a
> design will look exactly the same in all browsers, on all 
> computers, on all
> os's and in all versions.  Its not possible and will drive you 
> crazy.  At
> best, allow your sites to degrade so that while it might not be 
> pretty, the
> content will still be there.  My site, http://www.shayna.com, is 
> readable in
> NS 4, but not pretty.  And that's fine.
> 
> Also if you are using Fusebox4, you can use contentvariables to stuff
> display stuff in andthen output it to a particular layout (either 
> css or
> tables) depending on the browser you sniff (I send to web 
> standards by
> default and table for NS4 only on some stuff I do).
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Ian Skinner [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 1:53 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Crossborwser support WAS: Simple html question
> 
> 
> You bring up something that I have debated in my head many times.  
> How can
> anybody bring about better browser compliance so that it is easier 
> to make
> good clean and accessible web pages.
> 
> I have been working on a project for the last 6 months, and I'm 
> finding that
> I'm having to fall back on age old tricks and kludges to get the 
> pages to
> work similar.  I'm still using tables for layout because I can't get
> divisions to do what I need them to do.  Which is basically
> multi-column/cell layout.  For example, I wanted something fairly 
> simplesuch as this.  I needed two divisions at the bottom of a 
> larger division so
> that I could have images with captions side by side.  I never did 
> figure out
> how to do this in such a way that it worked properly.
> 
> ||
> ||
> || | |
> ||image|image|
> ||text | |
> ||
> ||
> --
> 
> I really like the idea of CSS and universally standard rendering 
> of designs
> so that I can make clean pages, but I'm not sure we're there yet.  
> In my
> darkest hours, I wonder if we are even moving that direction!
> 
> 
> Ian Skinner
> Web Programmer
> BloodSource
> Sacramento, CA
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Charlie Griefer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 10:09 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Simple html question
> 
> 
> Well, the 'big question' may not be that big to everybody :)
> 
> Yes, it works in NS.  Will it work in NS 4.x?  I don't know.
> 
> Personally, I don't worry about NS 4.x anymore.  In my opinion, 
> the number
> of users with NS 4.x is an acceptable level of loss.  I can't spend
> resources on making sure a page will render properly for a browser 
> thatrepresents such a small % of my audience.  To me, that time 
> spent would be a
> greater loss.
> 
> This might not be the most popular stance...but given the limited 
> resourcesthat I do have to work with, my feeling is that if my 
> code is
> standards-compliant (by current standards), then I've done my job. 
> Also
> (and I'm sure this is a very naive belief), I feel that the more 
> we, as Web
> Developers, cater to each and every browser (if i do *this* then 
> it will
> work correctly in that browser...and add a condition here to make 
> sure it
> works in *that* browser), then we give the browser companies no 
> motivationto ensure that their products will render code 'properly'.
> 
> I know that digresses a bit from the original comment (dealing 
> with older
> browsers)...but I'm curious to know if others feel this way...and 
> if so, do
> you act on it?  Or are you in a position where you don't have the 
> option (or
> desire) to discount any certain browser(s)?
> 
> As this isn't directly related to CF, hope it's not considered off-
> topic.Seems that since we all develop for the Web, it would be 
> relevant.
> Charlie
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Bryan Stevenson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 10:02 AM
> Subject: Re: Simple html question
> 
> 
> > and the big question...does it work in Nutscrape and if so...how 
> far back?
> > version 4.x? ;-)
> >
> > Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
> > VP & Director of E-Commerce Development
> > Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
> > t. 250.920.8830
> > e. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > -
> > Macromedia Associate Partner
> > www.macromedia.com
> > -
> > Vancouver Island ColdFusion U

Re: RE: Re: CF or .DotNet what do you think?

[ksuh]

FlashMX works with .NET.

- Original Message -
From: Mike Brunt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2003 3:45 pm
Subject: RE: Re: CF or .DotNet what do you think?

> It is very true that most websites out there are HTML with fancy 
> stuff like JavaScript/DHTML however as web applications continue 
> their march into replacing legacy enterprise apps that will not be 
> enough.
> We see the integration of CFMX and FlashMX (and MX successors) to 
> be a pivotal issue in Application Server/Environment choice.  .NET 
> does not offer such a logical path to building RIA's.  If we add 
> to that the RAD advantages of ColdFusion, we have no doubts that 
> CF holds sway over .NET for all that we are involved in.
> 
> Kind Regards Mike Brunt
> Original Message ---
> Currently there are things one can do with ASP.net that cannot 
> efficiently be
> done in CF, however for most web development, it has already been 
> shown a number
> of times that same or similar functionality can be done in CF with 
> far less
> lines of code that in ASP.
> 
> True, one does not have to be a C, C# or VB.NET programmer to 
> learn CF.
> 
> All that said, the fact remains that the majority of web sites are 
> mostly plain
> 'ol HTML, with some JavaScript thrown in.   The actual dynamic 
> data driven sites
> have a shorter development time in CF than in .ASP, however, XML 
> handling is
> still a moving target for CF, but they are getting there.
> 
> For the evolving present, however, there seems to be room for a 
> combination of
> all the technologies, including even (gag) java!
> 
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> - Original Message - 
> From: "Eric Creese" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 3:19 PM
> Subject: CF or .DotNet what do you think?
> 
> 
> | A while back I had posed a question about CF vs .DotNet.  Well 
> the discussion
> here is picking up again and want to go to the mat for CF. I know, 
> like it, and
> have built several apps and sites. I have 4  VB developers on 
> staff with limited
> ASP and web development. They of course will probably lean towards 
> .DotNET. One
> who has more ASP experience had to let me know that a real 
> developer would use
> ASP and that CF is for non-developers. Another basically said CF 
> can not provide
> the robustness needed for a full blown App.
> |
> | Well I am asking for this boards feedback on the matter. Your 
> pros and cons
> would be much appreciated for my presentation.
> |
> | Eric
> | 
> 
> 
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Re: CF or .DotNet what do you think?

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In what ways?

- Original Message -
From: Mike Brunt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2003 4:48 pm
Subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: CF or .DotNet what do you think?

> Thanks for that we realize it, however our belief is that there 
> will be ongoing better functionalities and closer coupling between 
> CF and Flash.
> 
> Kind Regards - Mike Brunt
> 
> Original Message ---
> FlashMX works with .NET.
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Mike Brunt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2003 3:45 pm
> Subject: RE: Re: CF or .DotNet what do you think?
> 
> > It is very true that most websites out there are HTML with fancy 
> > stuff like JavaScript/DHTML however as web applications continue 
> > their march into replacing legacy enterprise apps that will not 
> be 
> > enough.
> > We see the integration of CFMX and FlashMX (and MX successors) 
> to 
> > be a pivotal issue in Application Server/Environment choice.  
> .NET 
> > does not offer such a logical path to building RIA's.  If we add 
> > to that the RAD advantages of ColdFusion, we have no doubts that 
> > CF holds sway over .NET for all that we are involved in.
> > 
> > Kind Regards Mike Brunt
> > Original Message ---
> > Currently there are things one can do with ASP.net that cannot 
> > efficiently be
> > done in CF, however for most web development, it has already 
> been 
> > shown a number
> > of times that same or similar functionality can be done in CF 
> with 
> > far less
> > lines of code that in ASP.
> > 
> > True, one does not have to be a C, C# or VB.NET programmer to 
> > learn CF.
> > 
> > All that said, the fact remains that the majority of web sites 
> are 
> > mostly plain
> > 'ol HTML, with some JavaScript thrown in.   The actual dynamic 
> > data driven sites
> > have a shorter development time in CF than in .ASP, however, XML 
> > handling is
> > still a moving target for CF, but they are getting there.
> > 
> > For the evolving present, however, there seems to be room for a 
> > combination of
> > all the technologies, including even (gag) java!
> > 
> > ==
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> > 
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "Eric Creese" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 3:19 PM
> > Subject: CF or .DotNet what do you think?
> > 
> > 
> > | A while back I had posed a question about CF vs .DotNet.  Well 
> > the discussion
> > here is picking up again and want to go to the mat for CF. I 
> know, 
> > like it, and
> > have built several apps and sites. I have 4  VB developers on 
> > staff with limited
> > ASP and web development. They of course will probably lean 
> towards 
> > .DotNET. One
> > who has more ASP experience had to let me know that a real 
> > developer would use
> > ASP and that CF is for non-developers. Another basically said CF 
> > can not provide
> > the robustness needed for a full blown App.
> > |
> > | Well I am asking for this boards feedback on the matter. Your 
> > pros and cons
> > would be much appreciated for my presentation.
> > |
> > | Eric
> > | 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
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Re: RE: CF or .DotNet what do you think?

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I would also bet that if I wanted to use Java to connect to Royale, I could.

- Original Message -
From: Stacy Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2003 5:32 pm
Subject: RE: CF or .DotNet what do you think?

> $10 says royale is built into cf 7...much like the remoting approach.
> 
> Stace
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 7:12 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: CF or .DotNet what do you think?
> 
> In what ways?
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Mike Brunt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2003 4:48 pm
> Subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: CF or .DotNet what do you think?
> 
> > Thanks for that we realize it, however our belief is that there 
> > will be ongoing better functionalities and closer coupling 
> between 
> > CF and Flash.
> > 
> > Kind Regards - Mike Brunt
> > 
> > Original Message ---
> > FlashMX works with .NET.
> > 
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Mike Brunt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2003 3:45 pm
> > Subject: RE: Re: CF or .DotNet what do you think?
> > 
> > > It is very true that most websites out there are HTML with 
> fancy 
> > > stuff like JavaScript/DHTML however as web applications 
> continue 
> > > their march into replacing legacy enterprise apps that will 
> not 
> > be 
> > > enough.
> > > We see the integration of CFMX and FlashMX (and MX successors) 
> > to 
> > > be a pivotal issue in Application Server/Environment choice.  
> > .NET 
> > > does not offer such a logical path to building RIA's.  If we 
> add 
> > > to that the RAD advantages of ColdFusion, we have no doubts 
> that 
> > > CF holds sway over .NET for all that we are involved in.
> > > 
> > > Kind Regards Mike Brunt
> > > Original Message ---
> > > Currently there are things one can do with ASP.net that cannot 
> > > efficiently be
> > > done in CF, however for most web development, it has already 
> > been 
> > > shown a number
> > > of times that same or similar functionality can be done in CF 
> > with 
> > > far less
> > > lines of code that in ASP.
> > > 
> > > True, one does not have to be a C, C# or VB.NET programmer to 
> > > learn CF.
> > > 
> > > All that said, the fact remains that the majority of web sites 
> > are 
> > > mostly plain
> > > 'ol HTML, with some JavaScript thrown in.   The actual dynamic 
> > > data driven sites
> > > have a shorter development time in CF than in .ASP, however, 
> XML 
> > > handling is
> > > still a moving target for CF, but they are getting there.
> > > 
> > > For the evolving present, however, there seems to be room for 
> a 
> > > combination of
> > > all the technologies, including even (gag) java!
> > > 
> > > ==
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> > > ISP rated: http://www.forta.com/cf/isp/isp.cfm?isp_id=772
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> > > 
> > > - Original Message - 
> > > From: "Eric Creese" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 3:19 PM
> > > Subject: CF or .DotNet what do you think?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > | A while back I had posed a question about CF vs .DotNet.  
> Well 
> > > the discussion
> > > here is picking up again and want to go to the mat for CF. I 
> > know, 
> > > like it, and
> > > have built several apps and sites. I have 4  VB developers on 
> > > staff with limited
> > > ASP and web development. They of course will probably lean 
> > towards 
> > > .DotNET. One
> > > who has more ASP experience had to let me know that a real 
> > > developer would use
> > > ASP and that CF is for non-developers. Another basically said 
> CF 
> > > can not provide
> > > the robustness needed for a full blown App.
> > > |
> > > | Well I am asking for this boards feedback on the matter. 
> Your 
> > > pros and cons
> > > would be much appreciated for my presentation.
> > > |
> > > | Eric
> > > | 
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
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Re: alter table question

[ksuh]

This is because EM will create a temporary table, copy your data over, and then drop 
the original table, recreate it, and then insert the old data into there and drop the 
temp table.

- Original Message -
From: Stan Winchester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2003 10:45 am
Subject: alter table question

> I just tried to convert a column from text to varchar in query 
> analyzer using "ALTER TABLE dbo.tbl_Items ALTER COLUMN Item 
> varchar(50)""ALTER TABLE [table name] ALTER COLUMN [column name] 
> [datatype]"
> The above example threw the following error:
> 
> Server: Msg 4928, Level 16, State 1, Line 1
> Cannot alter column 'Item' because it is 'text'.
> 
> However, I could change the datatype in Enterprise Manager from 
> text to varchar with no problems. NOTE: You will need to remove 
> any Contraints on the affected field before changing the datatype, 
> and then reapply any contraints as needed.
> 
> It seems the alter statement works fine between varchar and int, 
> but not from text. There may be other datatypes that cannot be 
> converted through query analyzer, but might be alterable in 
> enterprise manager. Maybe some SQL guru might enlighten us all.
> 
> Stan Winchester
> 
> >is there a query analyzer way to alter the column datatype?
> >
> >I have some text columns that should been varchar, and I need to 
> change>them...i don't care about losing data, since its only 10-25 
> characters>per cell...
> >
> >thanks!
> >
> >tony weeg
> >uncertified advanced cold fusion developer
> >tony at navtrak dot net
> >www.navtrak.net
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Re: RE: RE: RE: re: Mach-II

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He's not a troll.  He's a doofus gumby.

- Original Message -
From: "Heald, Tim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 4:51 pm
Subject: RE: RE: RE: re: Mach-II

> hehe you people really don't see the troll?
> 
> Matt != Fuseboxer;
> Hal == FuseboxGhod;
> Angus == Troll;
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 6:51 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: RE: RE: re: Mach-II
> 
> 
> Sigh...
> 
> Where did he say anywhere that those benefits are exclusive to 
> fusebox?
> Point is, fusebox provides those benefits, not that they're the 
> exclusivedomain of fusebox...
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Calvin Ward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 3:52 pm
> Subject: Re: RE: RE: re: Mach-II
> 
> > I have to comment on this
> > 
> > > > * it separates business logic from presentation logic, 
> making for
> > > > more organized, efficent code
> > 
> > Seperating presentation from logic is not limited to, nor 
> requires the
> > Fusebox methodology.
> > 
> > > > * it gives developers a common set of rules and methods to work
> > > > from, so that everyone can understand what the other people are
> > > > doing on a project regardless of the size of a team
> > 
> > Common sets of rules and methods are not limited to, nor require 
> > the Fusebox
> > methodology.
> > 
> > > > * it modularizes and encapsulates code, making it easier to 
> reuse> > > and thus to maintain
> > 
> > Encapsulation is not limited to, nor requires the Fusebox 
> methodology.> 
> > > > * it is self-documenting, containing a complete, inline XML
> > > > standard for documenting your applications
> > 
> > I wouldn't consider that feature of fusebox as self documenting, 
> > the inline
> > XML is a clever way of organizing comments in code that allows 
> > access to
> > them in ways other than opening source code. This is not limited 
> > to, nor
> > requires the Fusebox methodology.
> > 
> > > > * most importantly, there are thousands and thousands of fusebox
> > > > developers out there, and more and more shops are choosing 
> to use
> > > > it every day. it is close to becoming a de-facto standard, 
> > which I
> > > > doubt your mach-ii 'framework' will ever be able to match
> > 
> > This is the only semi-valid point. I think mach-ii has a lot 
> more 
> > promisethan Fusebox for object oriented development. Fusebox was 
> > an attempt to
> > bring OO into a procedural framework. Successful? Certainly. 
> > Effective?Apparently. Overwhelmingly so? I don't think so.
> > 
> > Any methodology is better than no methodology, and the right 
> > methodologydepends on the developer(s), the company, and/or the 
> > project.
> > Fusebox is not inherently better than all other methodologies, 
> > with the
> > caveat that it is more widely used than any other methodology 
> for 
> > CF, as far
> > as the casual observer can see.
> > 
> > - Calvin
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
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Re: RE: RE: re: Mach-II

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Oh man...

Hal Helms was one of the main creators and is one of the biggest supporters of fusebox.

Matt Liotta does not use fusebox.

You, sir, are out of it.

- Original Message -
From: Angus McFee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 3:09 pm
Subject: RE: RE: re: Mach-II

> Matt - 
> 
> Good to hear from a fellow fuseboxer!
> 
> No, this isn't a joke, this guy clearly has a problem with what 
> fusebox has become and has made this other framework that clearly 
> doesn't do most of what Fusebox is capable of. I don' t think him 
> having helped make fusebox or having been in a few books makes a 
> huge difference. My dog has been in a few books, that doesn't mean 
> he don't hate cats.
> 
> But this really sounds like he is dissing fusebox. "Mach-II, 
> though, is meant to be a pure OO framework. Fusebox and Mach-II 
> have in common some good software engineering principles, but are 
> very different things. I'm really referring to (a) backwards 
> compatibility and (b) cross-language compatibility." 
> 
> These things aren't new and they don't do something you can't do 
> with fusebox already. Fusebox already works in ColdFusion, PHP, 
> ASP, JSP and Perl, and I have even seen a TCL port for the 
> framework. In PHP, you can do all the object oriented programming 
> you want, so I don't see why there would be a need for this "mach-
> ii" except to take away from fusebox.
> 
> This guy is just one of the ones who is never going to get what it 
> is all about.
> 
> Angus McFee
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 4:37 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Mach-II
> 
> This is a joke right?
> -Matt
> On Wednesday, July 30, 2003, at 04:08 PM, Angus McFee wrote:
> > Hal -
> >
> > I've heard from plenty of people looking for a way to beat up on
> > Fusebox, but usually they have nothing to say when it comes to  
> > building a better framework. This is the first time in a long 
> time  
> > anyone has suggested an alternative approach, and I really don't 
> see  
> > how any of this benefits developers. This mach-ii stuff looks 
> like  
> > just another petty attack on Fusebox.
> >
> > It's pretty clear we see things differently when it comes to 
> building> Web applications. I don't know you, but I can tell you 
> are a pretty  
> > intelligent person, so you probably have some good reasons for 
> why you  
> > don't like or hate fusebox.
> >
> > What I have to ask you is: do you use fusebox? Becuase there are
> > plenty of people who are ready to attack it anytime and don't 
> even  
> > know ColdFusion, much less what a framework is. You will 
> probably  
> > never be convinced about the benefits of fusebox, all I can do 
> is  
> > disagree with you, and point out all the great things fusebox 
> does for  
> > developers:
> >
> > * it separates business logic from presentation logic, making 
> for more
> > organized, efficent code
> > * it gives developers a common set of rules and methods to work 
> from,  
> > so that everyone can understand what the other people are doing 
> on a  
> > project regardless of the size of a team
> > * it modularizes and encapsulates code, making it easier to 
> reuse and  
> > thus to maintain
> > * it is self-documenting, containing a complete, inline XML 
> standard  
> > for documenting your applications
> > * most importantly, there are thousands and thousands of fusebox 
> 
> > developers out there, and more and more shops are choosing to 
> use it  
> > every day. it is close to becoming a de-facto standard, which I 
> doubt  
> > your mach-ii 'framework' will ever be able to match
> >
> > Angus McFee
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Hal Helms [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 2:16 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: RE: RE: re: Mach-II
> >
> > You're right, Dave. We're not looking to be able to incorporate
> > Fusebox 3 (or 4) with Mach-II. We think that Fusebox is a great  
> > framework for procedural programmers. (Please, God, don't let 
> this  
> > degenerate into yet another pro/con Fusebox debate...)
> > Mach-II, though, is meant to be a pure OO framework. Fusebox and 
> 
> > Mach-II have in common some good software engineering 
> principles, but  
> > are very different things. I'm really referring to (a) backwards 
> 
> > compatibility and (b) cross-language compatibility.
> > Hal Helms
> > "Java for CF Programmers" class
> > in Las Vegas, August 18-22
> > www.halhelms.com
> >
> 
> 
> 
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Re: RE: RE: re: Mach-II

[ksuh]

Sigh...

Where did he say anywhere that those benefits are exclusive to fusebox?

Point is, fusebox provides those benefits, not that they're the exclusive domain of 
fusebox...


- Original Message -
From: Calvin Ward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 3:52 pm
Subject: Re: RE: RE: re: Mach-II

> I have to comment on this
> 
> > > * it separates business logic from presentation logic, making for
> > > more organized, efficent code
> 
> Seperating presentation from logic is not limited to, nor requires the
> Fusebox methodology.
> 
> > > * it gives developers a common set of rules and methods to work
> > > from, so that everyone can understand what the other people are
> > > doing on a project regardless of the size of a team
> 
> Common sets of rules and methods are not limited to, nor require 
> the Fusebox
> methodology.
> 
> > > * it modularizes and encapsulates code, making it easier to reuse
> > > and thus to maintain
> 
> Encapsulation is not limited to, nor requires the Fusebox methodology.
> 
> > > * it is self-documenting, containing a complete, inline XML
> > > standard for documenting your applications
> 
> I wouldn't consider that feature of fusebox as self documenting, 
> the inline
> XML is a clever way of organizing comments in code that allows 
> access to
> them in ways other than opening source code. This is not limited 
> to, nor
> requires the Fusebox methodology.
> 
> > > * most importantly, there are thousands and thousands of fusebox
> > > developers out there, and more and more shops are choosing to use
> > > it every day. it is close to becoming a de-facto standard, 
> which I
> > > doubt your mach-ii 'framework' will ever be able to match
> 
> This is the only semi-valid point. I think mach-ii has a lot more 
> promisethan Fusebox for object oriented development. Fusebox was 
> an attempt to
> bring OO into a procedural framework. Successful? Certainly. 
> Effective?Apparently. Overwhelmingly so? I don't think so.
> 
> Any methodology is better than no methodology, and the right 
> methodologydepends on the developer(s), the company, and/or the 
> project.
> Fusebox is not inherently better than all other methodologies, 
> with the
> caveat that it is more widely used than any other methodology for 
> CF, as far
> as the casual observer can see.
> 
> - Calvin
> 
> 
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Re: RE: RE: re: Mach-II

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heh heh.

- Original Message -
From: Angus McFee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 2:08 pm
Subject: RE: RE: re: Mach-II

> Hal - 
> 
> I've heard from plenty of people looking for a way to beat up on 
> Fusebox, but usually they have nothing to say when it comes to 
> building a better framework. This is the first time in a long time 
> anyone has suggested an alternative approach, and I really don't 
> see how any of this benefits developers. This mach-ii stuff looks 
> like just another petty attack on Fusebox.
> 
> It's pretty clear we see things differently when it comes to 
> building Web applications. I don't know you, but I can tell you 
> are a pretty intelligent person, so you probably have some good 
> reasons for why you don't like or hate fusebox. 
> 
> What I have to ask you is: do you use fusebox? Becuase there are 
> plenty of people who are ready to attack it anytime and don't even 
> know ColdFusion, much less what a framework is. You will probably 
> never be convinced about the benefits of fusebox, all I can do is 
> disagree with you, and point out all the great things fusebox does 
> for developers:
> 
> * it separates business logic from presentation logic, making for 
> more organized, efficent code 
> * it gives developers a common set of rules and methods to work 
> from, so that everyone can understand what the other people are 
> doing on a project regardless of the size of a team
> * it modularizes and encapsulates code, making it easier to reuse 
> and thus to maintain
> * it is self-documenting, containing a complete, inline XML 
> standard for documenting your applications
> * most importantly, there are thousands and thousands of fusebox 
> developers out there, and more and more shops are choosing to use 
> it every day. it is close to becoming a de-facto standard, which I 
> doubt your mach-ii 'framework' will ever be able to match
> 
> Angus McFee
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Hal Helms [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 2:16 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: RE: re: Mach-II
> 
> You're right, Dave. We're not looking to be able to incorporate 
> Fusebox 3 (or 4) with Mach-II. We think that Fusebox is a great 
> framework for procedural programmers. (Please, God, don't let this 
> degenerate into yet another pro/con Fusebox debate...) 
> Mach-II, though, is meant to be a pure OO framework. Fusebox and 
> Mach-II have in common some good software engineering principles, 
> but are very different things. I'm really referring to (a) 
> backwards compatibility and (b) cross-language compatibility.
> Hal Helms
> "Java for CF Programmers" class 
> in Las Vegas, August 18-22
> www.halhelms.com
> 
> 
> 
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Re: RE: re: Mach-II

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Hmm, .NET version, eh?

You've just saved me a ton of work :)

- Original Message -
From: Hal Helms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 3:43 pm
Subject: RE: re: Mach-II

> It's not just for cross-language purposes, Isaac, though that is
> important (we've got people working on PHP, Python, and Lasso with 
> .NETand Java to come shortly) but just as importantly, for consistency
> across multiple versions. Even if we change the internals of the
> framework between versions, the XML will provide a consistent 
> interfaceto the framework.
> 
> Hal Helms
> "Java for CF Programmers" class 
> in Las Vegas, August 18-22
> www.halhelms.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: S. Isaac Dealey [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 4:18 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: re: Mach-II
> 
> 
> Yep... I wasn't really in touch with where you folks were in that
> process (finishing the beta, getting documentation done, etc.)... I
> wasn't griping -- I had just noticed several people point to
> http://beta.fusebox.org and had the impression that this response was
> roughly equivalent of: 
> 
> Q. Can you explain relativity to me? 
> A. Relativity is relative. 
> 
> :)
> 
> I'll admit that until I read something specifically about converting
> mach-ii apps to other languages my basic reaction to the addition and
> application of the xml was to think it was gratuitous -- i.e. xml for
> the sake of xml instead of xml for the sake of meeting a goal. 
> Though in
> retrospect it makes sense if you're trying to create an architecture
> that makes it easier to port applications to disparate languages. 
> 
> Isaac
> 
> --- Hal Helms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hopefully, by the time we launch Mach-II, we'll have time to 
> write a 
> > much more accessible guide. Without some sample code to work 
> with, 
> > we're left with speaking in abstractions that, while true, are 
> not 
> > real helpful as far as providing specifics.
> > 
> > Hal Helms
> > "Java for CF Programmers" class
> > in Las Vegas, August 18-22
> > www.halhelms.com
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: s. isaac dealey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 12:51 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: RE: Re: Mach II
> > 
> > 
> > I think the general idea was that he found the info on that site 
> > confusing -- which is why he was asking for an "idiot's 
> guide"... I 
> > don't find it surprising... the verbiage is rather weighty... For
> > instance:
> > 
> > This headline: Event-Based, Implicit Invocation Architecture
> > on this page:
> > http://beta.fusebox.org/index.cfm?method=FuseboxMX.basicConcepts
> > 
> > Note that the method is labelled "basicConcepts" ... but the 
> verbiage 
> > isn't very basic... I think the average new person attacking 
> that site
> > is probably looking for something much more accessible...
> > Unfortunately
> > I don't have any good alternative verbiage off the top of my 
> head. 
> > 
> 
> 
> =
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