Re: [cfaussie] Re: Problems installing CFMX 7

2005-02-23 Thread Nick de Voil
I have a similar problem, though I arrived at it a different way.

IIS 5 on Windows XP. CF running in J2EE mode on top of JRun4.

Befor installing CF7 I decided to re-install JRun. That went fine. I
downloaded the J2EE version of CF 7  installed the cfusion server in
JRun. That's also fine. I can run CF apps and JSPs/servlets via the JRun web
server with no problem. Also, IIS is serving HTML, ASP and Perl with no
problems.

Now, to connect CF up to IIS. I ran the JRun Web Server Config Tool and
connected the cfusion server to All web sites in IIS. I see in IIS that
the JRunScripts virtual dir has been created and the jrun.dll has appeared,
and the mappings for cfm, cfc etc have been created. However, when I try to
hit a .cfm page that's located under wwwroot I get Cannot find server or
DNS error. Or sometimes, it just hangs.

What am I missing?

Thanks

Nick

- Original Message - 
From: Sean Corfield [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 7:35 AM
Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Re: Problems installing CFMX 7


 Mike,

 I wish I could offer some help here... I can only suggest that you
 apply for the position of Macromedia ColdFusion Installation QA since
 you seem capable of breaking our installers in every possible way...
 :)

 I'll send parts of this thread to the installer guys here and see if
 they can help you off-list...

 Sean


 On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 07:13:19 +1100, Mike Kear [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
  Thanks Michael, I did both of those things, and they apparently did
  what they're supposed to, because there were no error messages,  but
  then what?
 
  I still can't get the administrator to work, because   it still wants
  to download the index.cfm file rather than run it.
 
  If i run the jrun web server configuration tool, it still doesn't
  enable the OK button, still can't find any Jrun.   If I try to
  manually configure the IIS5.1 because apparently the installAnywhere
  routine doesnt want to,  I can't even add the .cfm file extension to
  the configuration of the default site, because there is no .exe file
  to add to the dialog box.
 
  I still say there ought to be some information at macromedia.com to
  help people for whom things dont go perfectly.   Like me.   I think
  that's far more important than explaining what happens when it's a
  perfect installation  for people who never need to see it.
 

 

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Re: [cfaussie] Re: Problems installing CFMX 7

2005-02-23 Thread Mike Kear
I'm continuing with this farce ... 

Now i've deleted it all again, using uninstall, then deleted the
folders that were left over because even after a simple install, the
uninstall can't clean up after itself. (I really think Macromedia
ought to look for another install engine - this one doesn't do much of
a job of wrapping up all the files,  closing down apps it doesnt like
on the target machine and install in a way it can delete properly. )

Now when I close down my anti-virus app, and turn off the firewall,  I
reinstall CF7.

Whoah.  Excitement! But nothing different.   It appears to install
correctly, I let it have whatever defaults it wants,  followed all the
instructions the installer gave me, but no change.Still wants to
download any .cfm file instead of execute it.

I can't use IIS to enable .CFM files to be executed like .htm files
becuase there is no coldfusion executable for it to associate with the
..cfm files.

So does anyone else have any other suggestions?  

(This is the reason I dont participate in beta tests - I can't afford
to have my business closed down for all this time.  I have had no
development facility in my shop now for 2 days.)

Cheers
Mike Kear
Windsor, NSW, Australia
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On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 09:19:18 -, Nick de Voil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I have a similar problem, though I arrived at it a different way.
 
 IIS 5 on Windows XP. CF running in J2EE mode on top of JRun4.
 
 Befor installing CF7 I decided to re-install JRun. That went fine. I
 downloaded the J2EE version of CF 7  installed the cfusion server in
 JRun. That's also fine. I can run CF apps and JSPs/servlets via the JRun web
 server with no problem. Also, IIS is serving HTML, ASP and Perl with no
 problems.
 
 
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RE: [cfaussie] Re: Problems installing CFMX 7

2005-02-23 Thread James Holmes
For personal dev, I always install using the built-in server. Have you tried
that? 

-Original Message-
From: Mike Kear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, 23 February 2005 6:36 
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Re: Problems installing CFMX 7

I'm continuing with this farce ... 

Now i've deleted it all again, using uninstall, then deleted the folders
that were left over because even after a simple install, the uninstall can't
clean up after itself. (I really think Macromedia ought to look for another
install engine - this one doesn't do much of a job of wrapping up all the
files,  closing down apps it doesnt like on the target machine and install
in a way it can delete properly. )

Now when I close down my anti-virus app, and turn off the firewall,  I
reinstall CF7.

Whoah.  Excitement! But nothing different.   It appears to install
correctly, I let it have whatever defaults it wants,  followed all the
instructions the installer gave me, but no change.Still wants to
download any .cfm file instead of execute it.

I can't use IIS to enable .CFM files to be executed like .htm files becuase
there is no coldfusion executable for it to associate with the ..cfm files.

So does anyone else have any other suggestions?  

(This is the reason I dont participate in beta tests - I can't afford to
have my business closed down for all this time.  I have had no development
facility in my shop now for 2 days.)

Cheers
Mike Kear
Windsor, NSW, Australia
Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer
AFP Webworks
http://afpwebworks.com
ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month


On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 09:19:18 -, Nick de Voil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I have a similar problem, though I arrived at it a different way.
 
 IIS 5 on Windows XP. CF running in J2EE mode on top of JRun4.
 
 Befor installing CF7 I decided to re-install JRun. That went fine. I 
 downloaded the J2EE version of CF 7  installed the cfusion server 
 in JRun. That's also fine. I can run CF apps and JSPs/servlets via the 
 JRun web server with no problem. Also, IIS is serving HTML, ASP and 
 Perl with no problems.
 
 
[snip]



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Re: [cfaussie] Re: Problems installing CFMX 7

2005-02-23 Thread Mike Kear
No I haven't.  Why?   Wouldn't that mean IIS wouldnt be running and
therefore my non-CF sites woudlnt work?

I could give it a try I guess.  Nothing else has worked.  But I still
think the installation routine ought to work with WinXPPro, (which it
apparently does in most cases) but give a hint as to what was wrong
when it doesnt go as expected.  Then it ought to either give
instructions about what to do, or point the user (me) to some
resources to help solve the issue.

This has been a bloody fiasco, and has cost me a considerable amount
of time and trouble, and it's just a good thing I'm not earning all my
income from coldfusion development at the moment or it would have cost
me two days income so far.


Cheers
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On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 18:48:08 +0800, James Holmes
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 For personal dev, I always install using the built-in server. Have you tried
 that?
 


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Re: [cfaussie] Re: Problems installing CFMX 7

2005-02-23 Thread Nick de Voil
Mike

 No I haven't.  Why?   Wouldn't that mean IIS wouldnt be running and
 therefore my non-CF sites woudlnt work?

No, you can run IIS and JRun's builtin server simultaneously on different
ports. JRun will automatically choose a port that's free.

However, using the builtin server isn't really very satisfactory if you want
a local dev or staging copy of a site which is deployed on IIS in
production - which is why I too am trying to get IIS connected to CF.

Nick




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RE: [cfaussie] Re: Problems installing CFMX 7

2005-02-23 Thread James Holmes
Exactly, the IIS sites would be on port 80 and CF would be on port 8500 (by
default, anyway). Agreed, it isn't a perfect staging setup but at least it
gets you working again. 

-Original Message-
From: Nick de Voil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, 23 February 2005 7:59 
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Re: Problems installing CFMX 7

Mike

 No I haven't.  Why?   Wouldn't that mean IIS wouldnt be running and
 therefore my non-CF sites woudlnt work?

No, you can run IIS and JRun's builtin server simultaneously on different
ports. JRun will automatically choose a port that's free.

However, using the builtin server isn't really very satisfactory if you want
a local dev or staging copy of a site which is deployed on IIS in production
- which is why I too am trying to get IIS connected to CF.

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Re: [cfaussie] Re: Problems installing CFMX 7

2005-02-23 Thread Mike Kear
So that means I'd have to uninstall it (AGAIN!) and reinstall it,
using the internal web server option wouldn't it?

Gawd it'll mean hours of testing and reconfiguring all my sites.   I
am NOT looking forward to this.  And the only reason I started this at
all was because Tim Buntel convinced me it was easy to install,
wouldn't cause muh disruption  and I'd be able to get a good look at
the new product.  Not for any immediate use, mind you, but just in
case I work for a client who has CF7.

Sometimes I think I'm a really really slow learner.  I had this same
kind of problem installing CFMX6.0 - took a week in that case - and I
swore I'd never install a version x.0 of anything ever again.   I
forgot that lesson and look what happened.

Pity Macromedia's install guys haven't learned from the fiasco their
MX6.0 caused.  Remember the way it wouldn't install unless you had a
256colour video card on your server, but none of the documentation
said so?They have been pretty short-changed on documentation on
this install routine too.  Guess they havent learned a thing from the
MX6.0 fiasco.

Cheers
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Windsor, NSW, Australia
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On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 20:34:45 +0800, James Holmes
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Exactly, the IIS sites would be on port 80 and CF would be on port 8500 (by
 default, anyway). Agreed, it isn't a perfect staging setup but at least it
 gets you working again.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Nick de Voil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, 23 February 2005 7:59
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Re: Problems installing CFMX 7
 
 Mike
 
  No I haven't.  Why?   Wouldn't that mean IIS wouldnt be running and
  therefore my non-CF sites woudlnt work?


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Re: [cfaussie] Re: Problems installing CFMX 7

2005-02-23 Thread Adrocknaphobia
Mike,

I'm afraid you are in a vast minority here as 1000s of people have
installed CF7 successfully. Placing the blame on MM may be a bit
hasty. From you last post, the install seems to be working fine, but
the web server connector is failing.

Being that there are a number of external issues you may introduce
with how you setup IIS, I would focus on trying to reestablish that
connection rather than keep reinstalling. Have you tried running
wsconfig?

Will CF parse templates through the built-in web server?

-Adam


On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 23:46:47 +1100, Mike Kear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 So that means I'd have to uninstall it (AGAIN!) and reinstall it,
 using the internal web server option wouldn't it?
 
 Gawd it'll mean hours of testing and reconfiguring all my sites.   I
 am NOT looking forward to this.  And the only reason I started this at
 all was because Tim Buntel convinced me it was easy to install,
 wouldn't cause muh disruption  and I'd be able to get a good look at
 the new product.  Not for any immediate use, mind you, but just in
 case I work for a client who has CF7.
 
 Sometimes I think I'm a really really slow learner.  I had this same
 kind of problem installing CFMX6.0 - took a week in that case - and I
 swore I'd never install a version x.0 of anything ever again.   I
 forgot that lesson and look what happened.
 
 Pity Macromedia's install guys haven't learned from the fiasco their
 MX6.0 caused.  Remember the way it wouldn't install unless you had a
 256colour video card on your server, but none of the documentation
 said so?They have been pretty short-changed on documentation on
 this install routine too.  Guess they havent learned a thing from the
 MX6.0 fiasco.
 
 Cheers
 Mike Kear
 Windsor, NSW, Australia
 Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer
 AFP Webworks
 http://afpwebworks.com
 ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month
 
 On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 20:34:45 +0800, James Holmes
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Exactly, the IIS sites would be on port 80 and CF would be on port 8500 (by
  default, anyway). Agreed, it isn't a perfect staging setup but at least it
  gets you working again.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Nick de Voil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Wednesday, 23 February 2005 7:59
  To: CF-Talk
  Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Re: Problems installing CFMX 7
 
  Mike
 
   No I haven't.  Why?   Wouldn't that mean IIS wouldnt be running and
   therefore my non-CF sites woudlnt work?
 
 
 

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Re: [cfaussie] Re: Problems installing CFMX 7

2005-02-22 Thread Mike Kear
I had to download the distribution file twice. I opened it with winzip
the first time and it wouldn't extract.  So i didnt proceed any
further. I downloaded another copy and that did extract ok with 
winzip.  I deleted the extracted files and double clicked the
installation and it went ahead and did it's tricks.  Looked fine.

That's where the happy experience ended. 

It broke my CFMX installation, deleting the CFIDE directory so I
couldn't administer that.  It didnt work itself.  I had no choice but
to remove both CFMX (and 18 months of tweaks and settings, 30-or so
datasources, and 40 plus mappings)

I removed both versions and started again fresh. 

WONT BLOODY WORK!  This is just like the problems I had installing
CFMX6.0.  That took more than 14 hours for my single PC setup.

I try to use the web server confirguration tool and it won't enable
the OK button so I'm stuffed there.No indication on the livedocs
(the only way I can see the documentation now my local server's
broken) as to what to do if something doesnt go exactly as normal.

So now, not only do i NOT have a CFMX7 installation, I dont have a
CFMX6.1 either, and none of my dev sites work.  Nor does my intranet,
and most of my resources are unavailable to me now.

I HATE INSTALLING
COLDFUSION!!

But it's after midnight now, I'm going to give it another 30 minutes,
and then i'm going to have to leave it until tomorrow night. 
GR!!!



RGHH!


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On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 23:04:22 +1000, Gary Menzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I've had this experience before.
 
 Today - attempting to download the TRIAL edition - it was taking AGES.
 
 It was telling me (on a cable connection) it was going to take 16+
 hours to download.
 
 I started the DEVELOPER download in a different browser and got the
 whole file in less than 15 minutes.  I obviously stopped the other
 download.
 
 I haven't tried to run it yet though.
 
 Regards,
 Gary
 


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Re: [cfaussie] Re: Problems installing CFMX 7

2005-02-22 Thread Mike Kear
Do add to the frustration, nowhere on the site or any of the
documentation does it say that ColdFusionMX7 will run with IIS5.1 
only IIS6.  Does anyone knwo if it does run with IIS5 as used in
WinXPProSP2??

Under to verify your IIS installation it says 
[quote]
Verify that the following file was created:
cf_root/runtime/lib/wsconfig/jrun.dll
[/quote]

Well the file that was created there is not called jrun.dll, it's
called jrunwin32.dll.   Does that make a difference?

Is that why when I start up the web server configuration tool, It
doesnt work because it can't connect to a jrun server?

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Re: [cfaussie] Re: Problems installing CFMX 7

2005-02-22 Thread Mike Kear
Oh I do love installation instructions that are totally useless like
the Macromedia livedocs Getting started documentation.   If everything
works fine, you dont need to read them because it all works, and you
never even get to look at them.

But look at what it does in the To verify your IIS configuration section: 

[quote]
3. Verify that each of your IIS websites has a virtual directory
called JRunScripts.
[/quote]

But no hint as to what to do if you dont have such a virtual
directory.Oh yes I could create one, but is that all I'd have to
do?  Just create a directory?

hey guys at Macromedia - the ONLY reason I'm reading this documentaion
is because IT DIDNT GO WELL!!! I NEED HELP ABOUT WHAT TO DO TO FIX
THIS BLOODY MESS!You give no help whatsoever for
anyone who doesnt have everything working perfectly.

And anyone who has everything working perfectly doesnt need your documentation.

What's with that/?  What were you guys thinking of???


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RE: [cfaussie] Re: Problems installing CFMX 7

2005-02-22 Thread Michael T. Tangorre
 

 From: Mike Kear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 hey guys at Macromedia - the ONLY reason I'm reading this documentaion
 is because IT DIDNT GO WELL!!! I NEED HELP ABOUT WHAT TO DO TO FIX
 THIS BLOODY MESS!You give no help whatsoever for
 anyone who doesnt have everything working perfectly.

1.Run Remove_ALL_connectors.bat
2.Run IIS_connectors.bat



 



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Re: [cfaussie] Re: Problems installing CFMX 7

2005-02-22 Thread Mike Kear
Thanks Michael, I did both of those things, and they apparently did
what they're supposed to, because there were no error messages,  but
then what?

I still can't get the administrator to work, because   it still wants
to download the index.cfm file rather than run it.

If i run the jrun web server configuration tool, it still doesn't
enable the OK button, still can't find any Jrun.   If I try to
manually configure the IIS5.1 because apparently the installAnywhere
routine doesnt want to,  I can't even add the .cfm file extension to
the configuration of the default site, because there is no .exe file
to add to the dialog box.

I still say there ought to be some information at macromedia.com to
help people for whom things dont go perfectly.   Like me.   I think
that's far more important than explaining what happens when it's a
perfect installation  for people who never need to see it.


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On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 13:02:33 -0500, Michael T. Tangorre
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
  From: Mike Kear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  hey guys at Macromedia - the ONLY reason I'm reading this documentaion
  is because IT DIDNT GO WELL!!! I NEED HELP ABOUT WHAT TO DO TO FIX
  THIS BLOODY MESS!You give no help whatsoever for
  anyone who doesnt have everything working perfectly.
 
 1.Run Remove_ALL_connectors.bat
 2.Run IIS_connectors.bat
 


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Re: [cfaussie] Re: Problems installing CFMX 7

2005-02-22 Thread Sean Corfield
Mike,

I wish I could offer some help here... I can only suggest that you
apply for the position of Macromedia ColdFusion Installation QA since
you seem capable of breaking our installers in every possible way...
:)

I'll send parts of this thread to the installer guys here and see if
they can help you off-list...

Sean


On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 07:13:19 +1100, Mike Kear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Thanks Michael, I did both of those things, and they apparently did
 what they're supposed to, because there were no error messages,  but
 then what?
 
 I still can't get the administrator to work, because   it still wants
 to download the index.cfm file rather than run it.
 
 If i run the jrun web server configuration tool, it still doesn't
 enable the OK button, still can't find any Jrun.   If I try to
 manually configure the IIS5.1 because apparently the installAnywhere
 routine doesnt want to,  I can't even add the .cfm file extension to
 the configuration of the default site, because there is no .exe file
 to add to the dialog box.
 
 I still say there ought to be some information at macromedia.com to
 help people for whom things dont go perfectly.   Like me.   I think
 that's far more important than explaining what happens when it's a
 perfect installation  for people who never need to see it.


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