Re: Blackstone Beta
The price of one copy of CF Pro Server and DW MX 2004 is about the cost of one copy of Visual Studio Enterprise Developer. -joe On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 08:53:45 -0400, Will Tomlinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ferrari's are fussy and very expensive to run so that's probably a very good analogy... Sean, Are you saying CF isn't fussy? And CF isn't more expensive than .NET? I'd really love to know. ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - CFDynamics http://www.cfdynamics.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187255 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Blackstone Beta
Can't Visual Studio be had via some of M$'s programs along with a ton of other software and at a rather large discount? I once recall someone pointing out how M$ wants developers so that their server products get used more and because of this that is why they make it possible to get the development tools severely discounted in said programs. Sorry I do not know the actual names of the things, never looked hard enough into it all since never had the need. On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 07:04:28 -0800, Joe Rinehart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The price of one copy of CF Pro Server and DW MX 2004 is about the cost of one copy of Visual Studio Enterprise Developer. -joe On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 08:53:45 -0400, Will Tomlinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ferrari's are fussy and very expensive to run so that's probably a very good analogy... Sean, Are you saying CF isn't fussy? And CF isn't more expensive than .NET? I'd really love to know. ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187256 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Blackstone Beta
I thought I would research this a bit A Server + Development tools CF MX 6.1 Enterprise: US $ 5999 (you get a $100 rebate at the moment so $5899) Dreamweaver MX US $ 399 (and you get a $100 on this too!) Total: $6198 .NET Visual Studio .NET 2003 Enterprise Architect $1,799 US or Visual Studio .NET 2003 Enterprise Developer $1,799 US or Visual Studio .NET 2003 Professional Special Edition $799 US What else would you need? (ok.. windows server licence and Database but you need this for both anyway so we dont add it to the mix) Thats the clever market penetration that MS does. It provides the platform and charges for the tools. It is a sad fact that a lot more companies are going .NET and ASP.NET because its All from Microsoft so we only need one supplier I love coding in CF, it provides a lot of things in the right way and marries it to Java (oh.. Java is pretty much free even as app servers are concerned) MD On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 07:04:28 -0800, Joe Rinehart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The price of one copy of CF Pro Server and DW MX 2004 is about the cost of one copy of Visual Studio Enterprise Developer. -joe On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 08:53:45 -0400, Will Tomlinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ferrari's are fussy and very expensive to run so that's probably a very good analogy... Sean, Are you saying CF isn't fussy? And CF isn't more expensive than .NET? I'd really love to know. ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - CFDynamics http://www.cfdynamics.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187259 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Blackstone Beta
Hey Aaron, Yep, there are discount programs. They require a small portion of your soul :) Actually, yes, MS is trying to make things more accessible. There are light versions of VS 2005 Beta available for free, and there are programs like MSDN that have a price tag attached. On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 09:16:58 -0600, Aaron Rouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can't Visual Studio be had via some of M$'s programs along with a ton of other software and at a rather large discount? I once recall someone pointing out how M$ wants developers so that their server products get used more and because of this that is why they make it possible to get the development tools severely discounted in said programs. Sorry I do not know the actual names of the things, never looked hard enough into it all since never had the need. On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 07:04:28 -0800, Joe Rinehart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The price of one copy of CF Pro Server and DW MX 2004 is about the cost of one copy of Visual Studio Enterprise Developer. -joe On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 08:53:45 -0400, Will Tomlinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ferrari's are fussy and very expensive to run so that's probably a very good analogy... Sean, Are you saying CF isn't fussy? And CF isn't more expensive than .NET? I'd really love to know. ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187260 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Blackstone Beta
The price of one copy of CF Pro Server and DW MX 2004 is about the cost of one copy of Visual Studio Enterprise Developer. I don't use Visual Studio, I use Web matrix, which is free. Let's talk about deployment instead Does 6K ring a bell? ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - RUWebby http://www.ruwebby.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187263 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Blackstone Beta
Heheheh, I think I'll pass, Jochem. Your comment proves a point I should've made stronger - up-front software license costs are fluid, and not a very good basis for decision making. -joe On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 16:51:06 +0100, Jochem van Dieten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joe Rinehart wrote: The price of one copy of CF Pro Server and DW MX 2004 is about the cost of one copy of Visual Studio Enterprise Developer. The only relevant question when comparing prices is Who do you want to be cheaper?. I can easily argue that Eclipse, Linux, PostgreSQL and Bluedragon is cheaper then Visual Studio, Windows and MS SQL Server. I can also argue that Dreamweaver, Windows, MS SQL Server and CF MX Enterprise is more expensive as Visual Studio, Windows and MS SQL Server. Feel free to do the math yourself for all the possible combinations :-) Jochem ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187264 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Blackstone Beta
6k? If you're an organization that actually needs CF Enterprise, it shouldn't be a very big bell. See my reply to Jochem. -joe On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 10:58:43 -0400, Will Tomlinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The price of one copy of CF Pro Server and DW MX 2004 is about the cost of one copy of Visual Studio Enterprise Developer. I don't use Visual Studio, I use Web matrix, which is free. Let's talk about deployment instead Does 6K ring a bell? ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - RUWebby http://www.ruwebby.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187265 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Blackstone Beta
Your comment proves a point I should've made stronger - up-front software license costs are fluid, and not a very good basis for decision making. There's the rub with CF. I agree with what you're saying, but then I have to explain to my small-medium sized clients this concept. You have to SELL them on CF. Do you do it by saying, the code is so much easier, and I'll have less development time involved in your project because of it? The small - medium guys are listening to me and looking at 6K up front! Is a shift to .NET taking place because clients aren't being *SOLD* on CF? ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187266 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Blackstone Beta
I think it could be because people are being sold on .NET everywhere they look. Why are you only selling people on enterprise? Most small and medium places are _fine_ with cf pro. -joe On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 11:21:58 -0400, Will Tomlinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your comment proves a point I should've made stronger - up-front software license costs are fluid, and not a very good basis for decision making. There's the rub with CF. I agree with what you're saying, but then I have to explain to my small-medium sized clients this concept. You have to SELL them on CF. Do you do it by saying, the code is so much easier, and I'll have less development time involved in your project because of it? The small - medium guys are listening to me and looking at 6K up front! Is a shift to .NET taking place because clients aren't being *SOLD* on CF? ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - New Atlanta http://www.newatlanta.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187268 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Blackstone Beta
Joe Rinehart wrote: The price of one copy of CF Pro Server and DW MX 2004 is about the cost of one copy of Visual Studio Enterprise Developer. The only relevant question when comparing prices is Who do you want to be cheaper?. I can easily argue that Eclipse, Linux, PostgreSQL and Bluedragon is cheaper then Visual Studio, Windows and MS SQL Server. I can also argue that Dreamweaver, Windows, MS SQL Server and CF MX Enterprise is more expensive as Visual Studio, Windows and MS SQL Server. Feel free to do the math yourself for all the possible combinations :-) Jochem ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - New Atlanta http://www.newatlanta.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187261 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Blackstone Beta
-Original Message- From: Mark Drew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 10:33 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Blackstone Beta What else would you need? (ok.. windows server licence and Database but you need this for both anyway so we dont add it to the mix) Just play devil's advocate: you do not need a windows license for both. You may, for example, run CF on Linux. Dreamweaver does, indeed, need either a Windows OR Mac license, however DreamWeaver is not the only (and often not considered the best) way to code CF. Eclipse will also run on Linux and is considered by many the preferred platform for CF development. Jim Davis ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187275 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Blackstone Beta
-Original Message- From: Joe Rinehart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 11:02 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Blackstone Beta 6k? If you're an organization that actually needs CF Enterprise, it shouldn't be a very big bell. Yes - I would agree. I've seen very few places that NEED Enterprise as well. And if you do need enterprise you're probably used to spending much, must more for software (compare, for example, the licensing costs of Oracle or Websphere to CF). Jim Davis ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - RUWebby http://www.ruwebby.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187277 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Blackstone Beta
Ferrari's are fussy and very expensive to run so that's probably a very good analogy... Sean, Are you saying CF isn't fussy? And CF isn't more expensive than .NET? I'd really love to know. ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - RUWebby http://www.ruwebby.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187252 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Blackstone Beta
-Original Message- From: Will Tomlinson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 10:22 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Blackstone Beta Your comment proves a point I should've made stronger - up-front software license costs are fluid, and not a very good basis for decision making. There's the rub with CF. I agree with what you're saying, but then I have to explain to my small-medium sized clients this concept. You have to SELL them on CF. Do you do it by saying, the code is so much easier, and I'll have less development time involved in your project because of it? The small - medium guys are listening to me and looking at 6K up front! Is a shift to .NET taking place because clients aren't being *SOLD* on CF? Small to medium sized clients are exactly the ones that would benefit from the professional edition of CF (at $1300 less depending on current deals) or BlueDragon Server (starting at free). Recommending CF Enterprise to small/medium clients is, in most cases, simply wrong and completely overkill. Jim Davis ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - New Atlanta http://www.newatlanta.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187278 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Blackstone Beta
If WE don't test the product and try all the stupid things that their developers don't even consider then how on earth can we expect a bug-free (relatively) product to hit the shelves. We owe it to ourselves to test this baby to death. Plus it's always nice to appear in the top bugfinder's list :) Martin Parry Macromedia Certified Developer http://www.BeetrootStreet.co.uk -Original Message- From: Jim McAtee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 December 2004 20:17 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Blackstone Beta I implore you. NOW! But I can't tell you why. Pass. Is there a really good reason that people seem so eager to become beta testers for someone else's product? I can see it perhaps if support tells you it addresses a problem you're having with the current generation. Or if you develop products or sell services based on the platform. I'd just as soon wait for the .1 version. - Original Message - From: Michael Dinowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 1:57 AM Subject: Blackstone Beta For those not in the blackstone beta, I implore you to get in on it NOW! http://www.macromedia.com/support/programs/beta.html ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187181 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Blackstone Beta
-Phil ASP.NET is lookin' pretty strong. I've always been a CF guy, but I recognize the power of .NET now. I built a .NET Contacts app in literally 15 minutes the other night. Fully functional, DONE! I'm sorry, but Blackstone has an uphill battle if it's going to compete with .NET. MM needs to take it further than it has! Will Sure a few forms a few display screens and some querys to support the forms and displays should take that long anyway. The bulk of the time I spend building apps is with analysis and design, is with with coordination and integration with other apps, is with structuring a GUI that makes sense, is with establishing and robust code architecture - .NET may be very helpful but I find it hard to belieave that any tools is going to make that easier. Frontpage makes is easy to generate webpages and so does Contribute and a host of other WYSIWYG type tools. But for what we do, we need way more control. My guess is that if one needs even more control then .NET or Java would provide control and more opportunity to code beyond the coldfusion web application server. Dwayne Cole, MS in MIS, MBA Certified ColdFusion Developer ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187183 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Blackstone Beta
You might want to read the Plum site before you run off building applications with it. You've made my point! .NET is ahead of CF. I'm sorry, but let's admit it so we can start moving CF forward faster! Important: The current release of Plum is a Public Beta, so you shouldn't use it to create production applications. This is true of just about *any* product in Beta, not just Plum. Betas are in a bit of flux by their very nature. I put that warning out there because there have been literally dozens of people wanting to use Plum immediately for production sites, and we'd like to go through a couple of Beta cycles first to get everyone's feedback. We built the new ProductivityEnhancement.com using the Beta of Plum to show people that we eat our own dog food, but sure enough we'll be moving over to Plum V1.0 Final Release when the next iterations of both ProductivityEnhancement.com and ColdFusionTraining.com go live. We hope everyone out there tries Plum during the Beta cycles and lets us know what they think. We're encouraged by the 200+ people who already have in just the past week. Respectfully, Adam Phillip Churvis Member of Team Macromedia http://www.ProductivityEnhancement.com Download Plum and other cool development tools, and get advanced intensive Master-level training: * C# ASP.NET for ColdFusion Developers * ColdFusion MX Master Class * Advanced Development with CFMX and SQL Server 2000 ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187201 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Blackstone Beta
How about a program that lets you run CF apps directly as part of ASP.NET, including the ability run execute CFML directly within an ASP.NET page and bind CFML query variables to ASP.NET controls, for example: cf:inline runat=server cfquery datasource=cfsnippets name=employees SELECT * FROM Employees /cfquery pcfdump var=#employees# label=employees /cf:inline % DIM Employees as System.Data.DataTable = Variables( employees ) grid.DataSource = new System.Data.DataView( Employees ) grid.DataBind() % pasp:DataGrid runat=server id=grid/ The above is a snippet from a working example on BlueDragon.NET. I'll be happy to email the complete example to you, along with examples of: 1) including CFML pages within ASP.NET pages, and including ASP.NET pages within CFML pages, with full sharing of VARIABLES, REQUEST, SESSION, APPLICATION, and CLIENT scopes; 2) invoking CFCs from ASP.NET pages; 3) invoking CFML custom tags from ASP.NET pages. You can download the current beta of BlueDragon.NET from our web site: http://www.newatlanta.com/c/products/bluedragon-beta/download/home Vince Bonfanti New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com -Original Message- From: Will Tomlinson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 9:24 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Blackstone Beta Last two posts are so true. I've been using ironspreed designer. Builds ASP.NET apps in VB.NET or C# faster that any CF code. It's ridiculous! www.ironspeed.com I'm thikingone could make millions building a program that converted CF apps to .NET apps! Will ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - New Atlanta http://www.newatlanta.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187202 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: OT: News extension WAS (Re: Blackstone Beta)
I don't really want to be notified about all the news from Macromedia bloggers, Well, seeing as that is all the extension does, I can see why you un-installed it. Yeah, I can see that too...I do more than CF (Flash and Dreamweaver) so the extension is butter for me. I love it. I sometimes forget that people here are a little more CF-centric and not so much Macromedia-centric. My bad, Mike. Yeah. I was explicitly trying not to make it a general purpose aggregator. One thing I am considering is releasing a version that is just for ColdFusion, and one just for Flash (in addition to the Macromedia one). Haha, I'd probably still just use the Macromedia one...That John Dowdell is one prolific blogger...lol... ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187204 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Blackstone Beta
pretty ugly apps if u ask me i bet plum makes them in cfm faster not to mention several thousand dollars cheaper, oh wait, plum is free! cfmmaker makes them faster to i'd say You might want to read the Plum site before you run off building applications with it. You've made my point! .NET is ahead of CF. I'm sorry, but let's admit it so we can start moving CF forward faster! Important: The current release of Plum is a Public Beta, so you shouldn't use it to create production applications. ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - New Atlanta http://www.newatlanta.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187197 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Blackstone Beta
how did i make your point? your point is stupid also i have been on the plum beta since the beggining so i know what it can and cant do if ur gunna come on here and say oh with this app i can write faster in .net that u can hand code in cfm thats just dumb, if u need to cheat to make u feel better then go ahead but i doubt anyone on here will be fooled. u ever hear of apples to apples? u shouldnt need something like that anyways, and i doubt thats the future, way to generic, unless ur used to frontpage template style sites. like someone else said the actually coding doesnt take that long its designing an unique and original site that takes the time, which that tool wont do. personally, i enjoy the coding part the furture? have u seen a cssp site yet? or an RIA? that tool u suggest doesnt seem to give u much creative control at least plum will let u still be an individual and style it how u wish i asked a .net friend of mine about it an here was his resoance [quote] I've heard of it. And from what I've heard it is crap.[/quote] so my point is compare it to something similiar -- Original Message -- From: Will Tomlinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 09:34:47 -0400 pretty ugly apps if u ask me i bet plum makes them in cfm faster not to mention several thousand dollars cheaper, oh wait, plum is free! cfmmaker makes them faster to i'd say You might want to read the Plum site before you run off building applications with it. You've made my point! .NET is ahead of CF. I'm sorry, but let's admit it so we can start moving CF forward faster! Important: The current release of Plum is a Public Beta, so you shouldn't use it to create production applications. ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187209 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Blackstone Beta
-Original Message- From: Will Tomlinson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2004 8:35 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Blackstone Beta You might want to read the Plum site before you run off building applications with it. You've made my point! .NET is ahead of CF. I'm sorry, but let's admit it so we can start moving CF forward faster! Important: The current release of Plum is a Public Beta, so you shouldn't use it to create production applications. Of course that is the point - everything leapfrogs each other (while, it seems, Java stays in the past...) Right now BOTH CF and .NET (and, I'll admit it, JSP and PHP) are very capable languages with a lot of useful abstractions. .NET, it might said, took much of it's inspiration from CF and in many areas topped it. (Remember all those ASP developers pining for debugging information like I see in ColdFusion 3?) It's not a statement of worth however, just a statement of... well, state. CFMX tops .NET in several areas but .NET definitely tops it in others. Blackstone will reverse some of this, but not all. The next version of the .NET will come out and leap frog (in places) again. The one that's currently on top doesn't really mean all that much to me as long as they're both moving in the right direction - and I think they both are. Jim Davis ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - New Atlanta http://www.newatlanta.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187210 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Blackstone Beta
On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 10:53:08 -0500, Adam Churvis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I put that warning out there because there have been literally dozens of people wanting to use Plum immediately for production sites, and we'd like to go through a couple of Beta cycles first to get everyone's feedback. The site makes it look very interesting - do you have any plans to make Plum available for non-Windows platforms? -- Sean A Corfield -- http://www.corfield.org/ Team Fusebox -- http://www.fusebox.org/ Breeze Me! -- http://www.corfield.org/breezeme If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187214 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Blackstone Beta
Yeap, Visual Studio definately is a great tool to use. I made the mistake of teaching myself Java and VB .NET around the same time. I say mistake because I ended up hating every tool I tried to code Java with due to being spoiled by Visual Studio at the same time. -- Aaron Rouse http://www.happyhacker.com/ On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 06:57:22 -0800, Joe Rinehart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it may be more valid to say the tools for .NET development are ahead of CF (Visual Studio is simply amazing). -Joe ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187216 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: OT: News extension WAS (Re: Blackstone Beta)
Mike Chambers wrote: On Dec 10, 2004, at 6:16 PM, Spike wrote: I don't really want to be notified about all the news from Macromedia bloggers, Well, seeing as that is all the extension does, I can see why you un-installed it. Yup, and that's not to say it's not a nice piece of work, it's just frustrating that it could be really useful to me and isn't :-/ If it was configurable to allow you to add feed URLs and to allow you to view the summaries as a tooltip in the news list then it would be a different story because it is nice to be notified when someone posts news you actually want to read. Yeah. I was explicitly trying not to make it a general purpose aggregator. Is there a particular reason why not? I think a general purpose one would be very popular if it was done well. One thing I am considering is releasing a version that is just for ColdFusion, and one just for Flash (in addition to the Macromedia one). I would probably use it if I could filter specific bloggers and/or categories. I wouldn't really mind whether it worked as an opt-in or opt-out filter, but it would certainly be handy. I will also be adding support for installing the extension in Thunderbird (early next week). The only thing I'm missing from Thunderbird is an option for a system tray notification that works the same way for news feeds as it does for email. If you know some Javascript, and can pick up some simple XUL / XML, then it would be pretty simple to add this to Thunderbird yourself. That's a good point. I might have a bit of a play around one day and see if I can get it done. mike chambers Jeff Small wrote: Okay, this is a PERFECT time to jump in here and pimp this thing... http://www.markme.com/macromedianews/ Dude, if you're using Firefox, you HAVE to load this extension. It's frickin unbelievable. It's single-handedly the coolest extension I've ever used. It blinks when there's updated content, it loads in a tab in the background, and it's just the most ubiquitous little way to keep up with the macromedia blog universe. I'm hooked like crack...er...not that I've ever tried crack...er...the drug, I mean...anyway, try that extension. It rules. ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - RUWebby http://www.ruwebby.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187220 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Blackstone Beta
how did i make your point? your point is stupid also i have been on the plum beta since the beggining so i know what it can and cant do Maybe they should take that notice off the site then? if ur gunna come on here and say oh with this app i can write faster in .net that u can hand code in cfm thats just dumb, if u need to cheat to make u feel better then go ahead but i doubt anyone on here will be fooled. u ever hear of apples to apples? Go to www.wtomlinson.com , look at the portfolio, and tell me if I cheat or not. You remind me of this little nerd I met who told me I was cheating by using Dreamweaver. He coded EVERYthing in Notepad. So I asked him a simple question. Did you drive to school today? Because if you drove and didn't walk, you cheated! that tool u suggest doesnt seem to give u much creative control at least plum will let u still be an individual and style it how u wish You're illustrating your ignorance of the product here. It's simple. You design a page however you like. html, javascript, etc. You can make it look like cirque du soleil for all it cares. Then place xml controls wherever they should be on the page. Open it in Iron Speed and it converts everything to asp.net. Done! ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - CFDynamics http://www.cfdynamics.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187221 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Blackstone Beta
maybe u should cheat and at least add doctypes to your sites from your homepage No DOCTYPE Found! Falling Back to HTML 4.01 Transitional and u still fail to see the point of the whole thing was that u said u can code so much faster in .net, what u failed to say was with an program that does most of the work generically for you and u pointed it towards someone who was hand coding cfm, well duh dingbat so are u saying that u can HAND CODE .net FASTER than HAND CODING cfm? and dont try and pull that i wasnt talking about hand coding either. if ur gunna compare something like that do it with LIKE properties and if those pages in your portfolio were generated by that tool, i would be scared, not even a doc type? come on now i cant find 1 of your pages that validates oh html, xhtml or css i wouldnt want a tool that did that -- Original Message -- From: Will Tomlinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 14:43:47 -0400 how did i make your point? your point is stupid also i have been on the plum beta since the beggining so i know what it can and cant do Maybe they should take that notice off the site then? if ur gunna come on here and say oh with this app i can write faster in .net that u can hand code in cfm thats just dumb, if u need to cheat to make u feel better then go ahead but i doubt anyone on here will be fooled. u ever hear of apples to apples? Go to www.wtomlinson.com , look at the portfolio, and tell me if I cheat or not. You remind me of this little nerd I met who told me I was cheating by using Dreamweaver. He coded EVERYthing in Notepad. So I asked him a simple question. Did you drive to school today? Because if you drove and didn't walk, you cheated! that tool u suggest doesnt seem to give u much creative control at least plum will let u still be an individual and style it how u wish You're illustrating your ignorance of the product here. It's simple. You design a page however you like. html, javascript, etc. You can make it look like cirque du soleil for all it cares. Then place xml controls wherever they should be on the page. Open it in Iron Speed and it converts everything to asp.net. Done! ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - New Atlanta http://www.newatlanta.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187222 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Blackstone Beta
I was thinking the same thing about application building systems. As far as the market fragmenting into those levels, heck they have seemed to be in those levels for years at least in my exeperiences. -- Aaron Rouse http://www.happyhacker.com/ On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 11:00:16 -0800, Sean Corfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I very much doubt it. Such 4GL application building systems have been around for decades and they haven't killed the hand-coder yet. Why? Because they don't do 100% of the job. They are, by nature, generic and try to cater for every developer and every application. I was use visual design / code generating systems fifteen years ago and, whilst they've gotten better over the years, they've never covered the full software liifecycle and never will, in my opinion. Personally I think it's more likely that the market will fragment into architects, designers and managers on one side and outsourced coders on the other. (Hey, if we're going to get controversial, let's talk about outsourcing!) ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - CFDynamics http://www.cfdynamics.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187217 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Blackstone Beta
[quote]Most of my stuff won't validate anyway. It all contains Flash.[/quote] so? my pages have flash too and they validate just fine! u just cant use embed i remember ms's shiny red ferrari that was gunna kill cfm yrs ago, u might have heard of it, still has a bit of a cult following, it was called ASP its funny how cfm has survived all these other technologies look at what Sean said, one will pull ahead of the other then switch. Seems to me it will always be that way because ms really cant come up with much on their own, they always have to wait and see what others do then try and copy it to their specs. .net will never pull away, see above and none of that is an excuse for your pages to not validate, thats just laziness (same as using that product) having flash doesnt make the css not validate, it doesnt remove the doctype, and getting flash to validate is a snap if thats what u wanna do thats great and good luck but dont compare it to quality work -- Original Message -- From: Will Tomlinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 15:22:43 -0400 i cant find 1 of your pages that validates oh html, xhtml or css i wouldnt want a tool that did that Most of my stuff won't validate anyway. It all contains Flash. My point in posting in the first place is this. MM/Blackstone is putting a rear spoiler and ground effects kit on a Toyota (CF), while Microsoft is driving a Ferrari (asp.net). What is MM gonna do when the Ferrari is pulling away? Add those funky lookin' tailights? ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187225 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Blackstone Beta
My point in posting in the first place is this. MM/Blackstone is putting a rear spoiler and ground effects kit on a Toyota (CF), while Microsoft is driving a Ferrari (asp.net). What is MM gonna do when the Ferrari is pulling away? Add those funky lookin' tailights? Will, I don't think this is a valid metaphor. MX/Blackstone are pure Java applications, and Java's no Toyota. CF more like a BMW M3. Now, without the sequential manual gearbox and traction control, most of us wouldn't be too good behind the wheel of one: we'd constantly be misshifting and throwing the rear end around on turns. Java and CF are the same way: when I need to develop something for the web, I don't want to worry about all of the complexity and pitfalls in Java, but still want to produce a J2EE application, and ColdFusion makes it very easy to do so. Realistically, asp.net is more like one of those kit cars that turns a mid-80s Pontiac Fiero into something that looks like a Ferrari. Slap on an shiny grid control and some automatically generated code (well, a lot. I mean a lot. Tons. Open that don't touch this region sometime in your code-behind.) and it starts to look pretty impressive, while the engine itself is a little shakey. While the tools are nice, the engine that's created takes some serious tuning, tweaking, and know-how to get an application that's something other than a resource and bandwidth hog. A real Ferrari is hard enough to maintain, much less an imitation you built in your garage with some preformed parts... I'm beginning to commonly see viewstate values exceeding 200kb (ran into a 3mb the other day!), and if I have to look at one more app where everything is named SqlDataAdapter1 and the like, I'm going to leave some hollow shells of egos in my verbal wake. This over-reliance on automatic tools, and a lack of people reading Microsoft's own best practices, warnings, and recommendations will come back to bite you in an enterprise setting. Don't get me wrong, I'm a fan of .NET. For building backend and business logic tiers, it's a great environment. I just think ASP.NET is a little wonky, and the tools aren't helping the wonkiness. As for MM's reaction to Enzo's machine driving off, well, I think the publically known features of Blackstone show exactly what MM's up to: they've listened to the developers in their largest market areas, and are providing some amazing new features in the same easy-to-use style they always have. Now, if we really want to push the car metaphor, why is Microsoft still tinkering with its XAML supercar while Flex is already tearing up some highways? -- For Tabs, Trees, and more, use the jComponents: http://clearsoftware.net/client/jComponents.cfm ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187227 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Blackstone Beta
not to mention they are unreliable flash in the pans that scream look at me, look at me then proceed to break down when everyone is looking. whats that saying about guys with ferraris? they are trying to compensate for a lack of a decent fckeditor hehe -- Original Message -- From: Sean Corfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 12:45:11 -0800 On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 15:22:43 -0400, Will Tomlinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: while Microsoft is driving a Ferrari (asp.net). Ferrari's are fussy and very expensive to run so that's probably a very good analogy... -- Sean A Corfield -- http://www.corfield.org/ Team Fusebox -- http://www.fusebox.org/ Breeze Me! -- http://www.corfield.org/breezeme If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - RUWebby http://www.ruwebby.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187228 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Blackstone Beta
On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 10:03:46 -0400, Will Tomlinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The future of what we do will not be hand coding applications. It's the same as driving a car as opposed to the old horse and buggy. The future will be application design/building tools like Iron Speed for ASP.NET, and CFM Maker for CF. I very much doubt it. Such 4GL application building systems have been around for decades and they haven't killed the hand-coder yet. Why? Because they don't do 100% of the job. They are, by nature, generic and try to cater for every developer and every application. I was use visual design / code generating systems fifteen years ago and, whilst they've gotten better over the years, they've never covered the full software liifecycle and never will, in my opinion. Personally I think it's more likely that the market will fragment into architects, designers and managers on one side and outsourced coders on the other. (Hey, if we're going to get controversial, let's talk about outsourcing!) Especially ASP.NETthat code is pure insanity! Amen to that! This software will eventually get to the point where we'll be designing and building all our apps like you build a db with access. Small one-off apps built by small mom'n'pop organizations maybe, but that's not how enterprises build their databases... -- Sean A Corfield -- http://www.corfield.org/ Team Fusebox -- http://www.fusebox.org/ Breeze Me! -- http://www.corfield.org/breezeme If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187215 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Blackstone Beta
You can throw in some low provocations Dave, but Will definately has a good point. He is not the only one who is seeing a big leap. Maybe he deserves respect for coming out so honestly, at least I read his postings seriously. And attacking him on his w3c validation is just lame, if I would do the same I would say those span tags in your paragraph tags were unneeded in your site, and that XHTML doctype is useless for IE because IE doesn;t even know how to render XHTML, it only fakes it. oh btw.. you already knew you'd better set IE in quirks mode to prevent rendering bugs. Don't start throwing with such offtopic shit, because people with true css/standards experience will level you ;) Now back to the .NET story, there are all kind of reasons choosing for the .NET platform, better code, profilers, strong type, true OO, a tremendous featureset, the immense performance (and yes, it's speed is lightening fast and will increase with future Windows releases, future performance increase has been estimated on 500% by Microsoft, that is truly awesome). Yes, .NET has a steep learning curve, but like any language, get over it, and from then on you will experience the true power. From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sat 12/11/2004 9:54 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Blackstone Beta not to mention they are unreliable flash in the pans that scream look at me, look at me then proceed to break down when everyone is looking. whats that saying about guys with ferraris? they are trying to compensate for a lack of a decent fckeditor hehe -- Original Message -- From: Sean Corfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 12:45:11 -0800 On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 15:22:43 -0400, Will Tomlinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: while Microsoft is driving a Ferrari (asp.net). Ferrari's are fussy and very expensive to run so that's probably a very good analogy... -- Sean A Corfield -- http://www.corfield.org/ Team Fusebox -- http://www.fusebox.org/ Breeze Me! -- http://www.corfield.org/breezeme If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187231 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Blackstone Beta
well micha if u read it right u'd know what i meant, i wasnt attacking him i was saying that if thats the code that editor put out it wasnt very good. and i could attack your sites as well as we all could attack each others. and i wasnt throwing shit, i have seen what u throw and it is brown my friend. remember that list u had up and would always refer to and ended up being years outta date? the whole epoint was that he was comparing a editor that did the code 4 him instead of hand coding and saying that he could build it faster with that then someone hand coding cfm. really wasnt about cfm vs .net. was about using a helper and comparing it to an non helper which was stupid i know ur in europe so i will float u some slack for not understanding or maybe i just worded it wrong but i wasnt attacking him and how can u read it seriously? when its not even on a level ground? if u take that seriously then ur blind or dumb. u may not like my span tags which is fine, some say to use some say not, i prefer to use i have never seen anything u have said to make me believe in what u say and AGAIN i wasnt attacking him or his lack of w3c standards i was saying that if that program produced that code then its probably not to good of a program [quote]XHTML doctype is useless for IE[/quote] yup another reason to support ms i think joes post was better lol -- Original Message -- From: Micha Schopman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 22:37:48 +0100 You can throw in some low provocations Dave, but Will definately has a good point. He is not the only one who is seeing a big leap. Maybe he deserves respect for coming out so honestly, at least I read his postings seriously. And attacking him on his w3c validation is just lame, if I would do the same I would say those span tags in your paragraph tags were unneeded in your site, and that XHTML doctype is useless for IE because IE doesn;t even know how to render XHTML, it only fakes it. oh btw.. you already knew you'd better set IE in quirks mode to prevent rendering bugs. Don't start throwing with such offtopic shit, because people with true css/standards experience will level you ;) Now back to the .NET story, there are all kind of reasons choosing for the .NET platform, better code, profilers, strong type, true OO, a tremendous featureset, the immense performance (and yes, it's speed is lightening fast and will increase with future Windows releases, future performance increase has been estimated on 500% by Microsoft, that is truly awesome). Yes, .NET has a steep learning curve, but like any language, get over it, and from then on you will experience the true power. From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sat 12/11/2004 9:54 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Blackstone Beta not to mention they are unreliable flash in the pans that scream look at me, look at me then proceed to break down when everyone is looking. whats that saying about guys with ferraris? they are trying to compensate for a lack of a decent fckeditor hehe -- Original Message -- From: Sean Corfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 12:45:11 -0800 On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 15:22:43 -0400, Will Tomlinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: while Microsoft is driving a Ferrari (asp.net). Ferrari's are fussy and very expensive to run so that's probably a very good analogy... -- Sean A Corfield -- http://www.corfield.org/ Team Fusebox -- http://www.fusebox.org/ Breeze Me! -- http://www.corfield.org/breezeme If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187234 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Blackstone Beta
i cant find 1 of your pages that validates oh html, xhtml or css i wouldnt want a tool that did that Most of my stuff won't validate anyway. It all contains Flash. My point in posting in the first place is this. MM/Blackstone is putting a rear spoiler and ground effects kit on a Toyota (CF), while Microsoft is driving a Ferrari (asp.net). What is MM gonna do when the Ferrari is pulling away? Add those funky lookin' tailights? ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - RUWebby http://www.ruwebby.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187223 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Blackstone Beta
The site makes it look very interesting - do you have any plans to make Plum available for non-Windows platforms? We're going to see how Mono handles Plum on Linux sometime in the near future, but that priority is lower than the upcoming add-your-own-transformers feature and support for MySql and PostgreSQL. Respectfully, Adam Phillip Churvis Member of Team Macromedia http://www.ProductivityEnhancement.com Download Plum and other cool development tools, and get advanced intensive Master-level training: * C# ASP.NET for ColdFusion Developers * ColdFusion MX Master Class * Advanced Development with CFMX and SQL Server 2000 ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - New Atlanta http://www.newatlanta.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187236 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Yes, .NET has a steep learning curve, but like any language, get over it, and from then on you will experience the true power. Micha has swerved into what my point was EXACTLY! And I appreciate it! The steep learning curve is lessening due to the new .NET designers like Iron Speed. It gives CF guys like me even MORE reason to delve into the .NET world. Yes I've done some coding with it, and yes it's insane compared to CF! I love coding CF. But be honest with yourselves guys! .NET smokes CF in power! It just does! I'm sorry, it isn't my fault. I'm just trying to draw attention to it so CF is pushed to the limit. Here's Tim Uzzanti, Owner of CrystalTech. I would think Tim knows a thing or two. If you believe CF can handle the same traffic loads that .NET can handle, then you are completely confused on the technologies and their infrastructure. I have no idea if 75% of fortune 100% companies use CF, I would love to see some documentation for that, but the Fortune 100 companies ARE NOT the Top 100 sites on the Internet either! Asking someone who maintains and manages 10,000 hosted applications on Cold Fusion and someone who manages thousands of .NET applications would probably give you a pretty good opinion of what they see? Is it in my BEST interest to tell a customer not to use CF, or is it in my best interest to suggest what might be the best technologies from my experiences on their requirements? Someone mentioned ediet.com which has a traffic ranking of around 280,000 and in comparison CrystalTech is around 23,000. Microsoft.com which is in the top 10 is using ASP.NET and Dell.COM which is in the top 100 is also using ASP.NET Regarding the back end of Cold Fusion: CFMX is much better than CF5 but still has many limitations and quirks that we have see and deal with every day. I am not saying that CF doesnÂ’t have the ability to grow with larger sites because it has features like the ability to cluster machines and the classes are compiled etc. What I am saying is, if you would like to build an application that can last longer on certain hardware or run more optimally, CF is not the way to go! Cold Fusion MX out of the box has a setting to support no more than 10 simultaneous requests at one time. Macromedia suggestions that you never exceed 40 and this isnÂ’t optimal for a large scale sites. There are other settings and issues from a server administration standpoint that hinder CFMX from out performing .NET There are other factors that one needs to think about when writing an application. Think about the ability to use Threads in .NET. Depending on your application, sitting and processing 10 requests back to back may take 5 minutes but if you had the ability to run the 10 tasks concurrently you may be able to respond back to the customer in 30 seconds. You have to realize, .NET isnÂ’t just a web based language, it is a Development language for desktop and server applications as well. CrystalTech uses SmarterMail which is built on the .NET and it outperforms all other mail servers that are built on C and C++. One last comment that I would also provide to a potential customer who may want to move from a shared environment to a dedicated environment is that you will need to purchase a license for CFMX. If this is a large site and will expand to multiple servers then they will need to purchase a $4,500 license possibly x 2... Again, this isn't something that affects CT, but would affect the customer... ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187239 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Blackstone Beta
Will, .NET is ahead of CF That's a pretty blanket statement to make. I work pretty heavily in both CF and .NET, and each is ahead of the other in certain areas, and Blackstone is going to make it all the more obvious. I think it may be more valid to say the tools for .NET development are ahead of CF (Visual Studio is simply amazing). -Joe On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 09:34:47 -0400, Will Tomlinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: pretty ugly apps if u ask me i bet plum makes them in cfm faster not to mention several thousand dollars cheaper, oh wait, plum is free! cfmmaker makes them faster to i'd say You might want to read the Plum site before you run off building applications with it. You've made my point! .NET is ahead of CF. I'm sorry, but let's admit it so we can start moving CF forward faster! Important: The current release of Plum is a Public Beta, so you shouldn't use it to create production applications. ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - CFDynamics http://www.cfdynamics.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187198 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Blackstone Beta
We all need to think ahead. The future of what we do will not be hand coding applications. It's the same as driving a car as opposed to the old horse and buggy. The future will be application design/building tools like Iron Speed for ASP.NET, and CFM Maker for CF. Especially ASP.NETthat code is pure insanity! This software will eventually get to the point where we'll be designing and building all our apps like you build a db with access. Anyway, *I* think that's where we're heading. Will ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187199 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Blackstone Beta
It's true that ASP.NET 1.1 doesn't have anything as simple/elegant as CFQUERY. This is being remedied in ASP.NET 2.0, which adds DataSource controls. Here's an example: asp:SqlDataSource ID=Employees Runat=server SelectCommand=SELECT * FROM Employees ConnectionString=%$ ConnectionStrings: Employees % /asp:SqlDataSource The ConnectionString attribute in this example is being read from the web.config file--you can also hardcode a connection string here if you want, or use variables. Here's a good article that shows you how to bind the DataSource control to a GridView control to create a master/detail display that includes sorting and the ability to insert, edit, and delete records, all without writing any code: http://www.devx.com/dotnet/Article/22141/0/page/1 There's definitely a lot of cool stuff happening in ASP.NET. Vince Bonfanti New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com -Original Message- From: Phil Cruz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 7:55 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Blackstone Beta I've been meaning to look more into ASP.NET but never seem to get around to it. One mental hurdle for me is the last I looked it seemed like you had to write a bunch of code to do simple queries. Nothing as simple/elegant as cfquery. If it really took you 15 minutes, would you consider using Camtasia or some screen capture software to record the process and share it with others and share the source code as well. I'd be interested in seeing it. -Phil ASP.NET is lookin' pretty strong. I've always been a CF guy, but I recognize the power of .NET now. I built a .NET Contacts app in literally 15 minutes the other night. Fully functional, DONE! I'm sorry, but Blackstone has an uphill battle if it's going to compete with .NET. MM needs to take it further than it has! Will ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - New Atlanta http://www.newatlanta.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187200 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Blackstone Beta
On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 15:22:43 -0400, Will Tomlinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: while Microsoft is driving a Ferrari (asp.net). Ferrari's are fussy and very expensive to run so that's probably a very good analogy... -- Sean A Corfield -- http://www.corfield.org/ Team Fusebox -- http://www.fusebox.org/ Breeze Me! -- http://www.corfield.org/breezeme If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - New Atlanta http://www.newatlanta.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187226 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Blackstone Beta
For those not in the blackstone beta, I implore you to get in on it NOW! http://www.macromedia.com/support/programs/beta.html ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - RUWebby http://www.ruwebby.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:186950 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Blackstone Beta
Done it ! Let's hope it lives up to the promise :S Martin Parry Macromedia Certified Developer http://www.BeetrootStreet.co.uk -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 December 2004 08:58 To: CF-Talk Subject: Blackstone Beta For those not in the blackstone beta, I implore you to get in on it NOW! http://www.macromedia.com/support/programs/beta.html ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:186953 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Blackstone Beta
that is nice to children and animals and the logo looks nice on t-shirts MD On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 08:13:22 -0500, Anders Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 04:18 AM 12/10/2004, Martin Parry wrote: Done it ! Let's hope it lives up to the promise :S What was that promise, exactly? I haven't been watching any media releases or paying attention... just writing code. Anders +===+ |Anders GreenEmail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | Home: 919.303.0218| | Off Road Rally Racing Team: http://LinaRacing.com/ | |Do you like Evite? This is better: http://RSVPtracker.com/ | +===+ ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - CFDynamics http://www.cfdynamics.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:186965 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Blackstone Beta
I think the promise is that it's fast, stable and has new, cool features. Fusion Authority is running 100% on Blackstone and House of Fusion has back end components on Blackstone as well. I'm hoping to be 100% Blackstone for everything next week. It's fast, it's stable, and I've got some code tricks that people will just love based on my work with Blackstone. At 04:18 AM 12/10/2004, Martin Parry wrote: Done it ! Let's hope it lives up to the promise :S What was that promise, exactly? I haven't been watching any media releases or paying attention... just writing code. Anders +===+ |Anders GreenEmail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | Home: 919.303.0218| | Off Road Rally Racing Team: http://LinaRacing.com/ | |Do you like Evite? This is better: http://RSVPtracker.com/ | +===+ ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - CFDynamics http://www.cfdynamics.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:186973 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Blackstone Beta
Wasn't some of the promise for MX that it was fast and stable? If so does that mean they did not live up to the promise and we get our money back? ;) After all if already stable, not like you can make it more stable :) On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 09:57:42 -0400, Michael Dinowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the promise is that it's fast, stable and has new, cool features. Fusion Authority is running 100% on Blackstone and House of Fusion has back end components on Blackstone as well. I'm hoping to be 100% Blackstone for everything next week. It's fast, it's stable, and I've got some code tricks that people will just love based on my work with Blackstone. At 04:18 AM 12/10/2004, Martin Parry wrote: Done it ! Let's hope it lives up to the promise :S What was that promise, exactly? I haven't been watching any media releases or paying attention... just writing code. Anders +===+ |Anders GreenEmail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | Home: 919.303.0218| | Off Road Rally Racing Team: http://LinaRacing.com/ | |Do you like Evite? This is better: http://RSVPtracker.com/ | +===+ ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:186974 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Blackstone Beta
Michael, I went to the link you sent, and filled out the questionnaire for the Cold Fusion option, but did not see anything about Blackstone except a description page on the CFMX 6.1 fact sheet. Did I miss something? Jerry Jerry Johnson Web Developer Dolan Media Company [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/10/04 08:57AM I think the promise is that it's fast, stable and has new, cool features. Fusion Authority is running 100% on Blackstone and House of Fusion has back end components on Blackstone as well. I'm hoping to be 100% Blackstone for everything next week. It's fast, it's stable, and I've got some code tricks that people will just love based on my work with Blackstone. ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - RUWebby http://www.ruwebby.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:186975 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Blackstone Beta
Probably not. The survey is from a third party and might not be up to date. If you get an email today about the 'beta' then all's good. Michael, I went to the link you sent, and filled out the questionnaire for the Cold Fusion option, but did not see anything about Blackstone except a description page on the CFMX 6.1 fact sheet. Did I miss something? Jerry Jerry Johnson Web Developer Dolan Media Company [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/10/04 08:57AM I think the promise is that it's fast, stable and has new, cool features. Fusion Authority is running 100% on Blackstone and House of Fusion has back end components on Blackstone as well. I'm hoping to be 100% Blackstone for everything next week. It's fast, it's stable, and I've got some code tricks that people will just love based on my work with Blackstone. ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187011 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Blackstone Beta
I've never had problems with MX to begin with. I was just giving the standard stuff rather than go into specifics. NDA and all. Actually, there were events that caused me to make server changes last night and make the original post that are also NDA covered. The only thing I could do was remind people about the beta so they could learn on their own. Personally, as seen from FA, Blackstone is really fast. Faster than 6.1? I can't really say but probably. More stable than 6.1? Again, I can't say but probably as they've had time to look at things, listen to the insane ramblings of people like me and look deeper into the hidden nooks and crannies. All I can say is that even on the limited hardware HoF is on, it's fast. Wasn't some of the promise for MX that it was fast and stable? If so does that mean they did not live up to the promise and we get our money back? ;) After all if already stable, not like you can make it more stable :) On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 09:57:42 -0400, Michael Dinowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the promise is that it's fast, stable and has new, cool features. Fusion Authority is running 100% on Blackstone and House of Fusion has back end components on Blackstone as well. I'm hoping to be 100% Blackstone for everything next week. It's fast, it's stable, and I've got some code tricks that people will just love based on my work with Blackstone. At 04:18 AM 12/10/2004, Martin Parry wrote: Done it ! Let's hope it lives up to the promise :S What was that promise, exactly? I haven't been watching any media releases or paying attention... just writing code. Anders +===+ |Anders GreenEmail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | Home: 919.303.0218| | Off Road Rally Racing Team: http://LinaRacing.com/ | |Do you like Evite? This is better: http://RSVPtracker.com/ | +===+ ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - RUWebby http://www.ruwebby.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187009 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Blackstone Beta
As far as I can tell 6.1 cured most of 6.0's ills. At least all of them I had any concerns about. Blackstone is evolutionary and not revolutionary, so the pain/suffering/bloodshed we had going 5.0 to 6.0 ain't happening. Its got really neat new things but these are things hanging off the existing core. No putting up with a reinvented wheel this time. And don't you want to stop writing all of those godawful cflocks around everything? :D I can't wait to drop CF5 support, although realistically I'll have to keep it around for some time to come. -- --Matt Robertson-- President, Janitor MSB Designs, Inc. mysecretbase.com ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - RUWebby http://www.ruwebby.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187035 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Blackstone Beta
Among the things I've been waiting for the most is the ability to compile and protect code and deliver it in a redistributable format !! Martin Parry Macromedia Certified Developer http://www.BeetrootStreet.co.uk -Original Message- From: Anders Green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 December 2004 13:13 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Blackstone Beta At 04:18 AM 12/10/2004, Martin Parry wrote: Done it ! Let's hope it lives up to the promise :S What was that promise, exactly? I haven't been watching any media releases or paying attention... just writing code. Anders +===+ |Anders GreenEmail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | Home: 919.303.0218| | Off Road Rally Racing Team: http://LinaRacing.com/ | |Do you like Evite? This is better: http://RSVPtracker.com/ | +===+ ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - New Atlanta http://www.newatlanta.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187041 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Blackstone Beta
I implore you. NOW! But I can't tell you why. Pass. Is there a really good reason that people seem so eager to become beta testers for someone else's product? I can see it perhaps if support tells you it addresses a problem you're having with the current generation. Or if you develop products or sell services based on the platform. I'd just as soon wait for the .1 version. - Original Message - From: Michael Dinowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 1:57 AM Subject: Blackstone Beta For those not in the blackstone beta, I implore you to get in on it NOW! http://www.macromedia.com/support/programs/beta.html ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - RUWebby http://www.ruwebby.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187082 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Blackstone Beta
I think you have a fewer geek gene than the beta bunch. -Original Message- From: Jim McAtee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 12:17 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Blackstone Beta I implore you. NOW! But I can't tell you why. Pass. Is there a really good reason that people seem so eager to become beta testers for someone else's product? I can see it perhaps if support tells you it addresses a problem you're having with the current generation. Or if you develop products or sell services based on the platform. I'd just as soon wait for the .1 version. - Original Message - From: Michael Dinowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 1:57 AM Subject: Blackstone Beta For those not in the blackstone beta, I implore you to get in on it NOW! http://www.macromedia.com/support/programs/beta.html ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187084 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Blackstone Beta
Jim McAtee wrote: I implore you. NOW! But I can't tell you why. Pass. Is there a really good reason that people seem so eager to become beta testers for someone else's product? Probably... a chance to influence the development of the software when the developers might be most apt to make the most changes? That and getting free stuff you can try to to see if it'll make your life easier. etc. :) -- --Lewis Sellers (AKA min) Intrafoundation Software http://www.intrafoundation.com ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - CFDynamics http://www.cfdynamics.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187085 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Blackstone Beta
I'll gladly admit to that. I don't even have a blog, if you can believe it. - Original Message - From: Ken Ketsdever [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 1:20 PM Subject: RE: Blackstone Beta I think you have a fewer geek gene than the beta bunch. -Original Message- From: Jim McAtee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 12:17 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Blackstone Beta I implore you. NOW! But I can't tell you why. Pass. Is there a really good reason that people seem so eager to become beta testers for someone else's product? I can see it perhaps if support tells you it addresses a problem you're having with the current generation. Or if you develop products or sell services based on the platform. I'd just as soon wait for the .1 version. - Original Message - From: Michael Dinowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 1:57 AM Subject: Blackstone Beta For those not in the blackstone beta, I implore you to get in on it NOW! http://www.macromedia.com/support/programs/beta.html ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - CFDynamics http://www.cfdynamics.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187097 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Blackstone Beta
So is everyone allowed to use the Beta in production or did you get som sly deal? -Adam On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 09:57:42 -0400, Michael Dinowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the promise is that it's fast, stable and has new, cool features. Fusion Authority is running 100% on Blackstone and House of Fusion has back end components on Blackstone as well. I'm hoping to be 100% Blackstone for everything next week. It's fast, it's stable, and I've got some code tricks that people will just love based on my work with Blackstone. At 04:18 AM 12/10/2004, Martin Parry wrote: Done it ! Let's hope it lives up to the promise :S What was that promise, exactly? I haven't been watching any media releases or paying attention... just writing code. Anders +===+ |Anders GreenEmail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | Home: 919.303.0218| | Off Road Rally Racing Team: http://LinaRacing.com/ | |Do you like Evite? This is better: http://RSVPtracker.com/ | +===+ ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187101 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Blackstone Beta
Hmmm...so you have a head start on those that don't beta test.so you can help make the product better and easier to use...making your life easier in the long run...take your pick Cheers Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com - Original Message - From: Jim McAtee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 12:17 PM Subject: Re: Blackstone Beta I implore you. NOW! But I can't tell you why. Pass. Is there a really good reason that people seem so eager to become beta testers for someone else's product? I can see it perhaps if support tells you it addresses a problem you're having with the current generation. Or if you develop products or sell services based on the platform. I'd just as soon wait for the .1 version. - Original Message - From: Michael Dinowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 1:57 AM Subject: Blackstone Beta For those not in the blackstone beta, I implore you to get in on it NOW! http://www.macromedia.com/support/programs/beta.html ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - New Atlanta http://www.newatlanta.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187102 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Blackstone Beta
That's OK Jim...I'm with you.if people wanted to hear what I have to saythey'd buy the book Geesh...people used to keep their diariers locked and hiddennow they spew their drivel online for all to see *yawn* ;-) Cheers Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com - Original Message - From: Jim McAtee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 12:44 PM Subject: Re: Blackstone Beta I'll gladly admit to that. I don't even have a blog, if you can believe it. - Original Message - From: Ken Ketsdever [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 1:20 PM Subject: RE: Blackstone Beta I think you have a fewer geek gene than the beta bunch. -Original Message- From: Jim McAtee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 12:17 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Blackstone Beta I implore you. NOW! But I can't tell you why. Pass. Is there a really good reason that people seem so eager to become beta testers for someone else's product? I can see it perhaps if support tells you it addresses a problem you're having with the current generation. Or if you develop products or sell services based on the platform. I'd just as soon wait for the .1 version. - Original Message - From: Michael Dinowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 1:57 AM Subject: Blackstone Beta For those not in the blackstone beta, I implore you to get in on it NOW! http://www.macromedia.com/support/programs/beta.html ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - RUWebby http://www.ruwebby.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187104 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Blackstone Beta
hostmysite.com has a server available to run non production sites right now with a free beta account -- Original Message -- From: Adrocknaphobia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 15:48:28 -0500 So is everyone allowed to use the Beta in production or did you get som sly deal? -Adam On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 09:57:42 -0400, Michael Dinowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the promise is that it's fast, stable and has new, cool features. Fusion Authority is running 100% on Blackstone and House of Fusion has back end components on Blackstone as well. I'm hoping to be 100% Blackstone for everything next week. It's fast, it's stable, and I've got some code tricks that people will just love based on my work with Blackstone. At 04:18 AM 12/10/2004, Martin Parry wrote: Done it ! Let's hope it lives up to the promise :S What was that promise, exactly? I haven't been watching any media releases or paying attention... just writing code. Anders +===+ |Anders GreenEmail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | Home: 919.303.0218| | Off Road Rally Racing Team: http://LinaRacing.com/ | |Do you like Evite? This is better: http://RSVPtracker.com/ | +===+ ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - CFDynamics http://www.cfdynamics.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187110 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Blackstone Beta
Aaron Rouse wrote: Not only do I not have a blog, but I also never read blogs. Though sometimes I wish I had the free time to do so, since seems to be a great amount of technical information on them. Get yourself an RSS feed reader and get the feed from www.fullasagoog.com. Good collection of MACR-centric blogs there. MACR's MXNA aggregator should be out in RSS format (according to Mike Chambers) soon, so this would be a good one to add, too. I've had my ass saved a number of times from reading blogs. I've also gotten a ton of good tips, hints and tricks that I've filed mentally and come back to when I needed them. At least cruise http://www.markme.com/mxna/index.cfm?category=ColdFusion once a day, man! -- Alex ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187113 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Blackstone Beta
Guess I could add it to my morning rotation of reading lists, too bad that would push the rotation well into lunch :/ On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 16:08:31 -0500, Alex Sherwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aaron Rouse wrote: Not only do I not have a blog, but I also never read blogs. Though sometimes I wish I had the free time to do so, since seems to be a great amount of technical information on them. Get yourself an RSS feed reader and get the feed from www.fullasagoog.com. Good collection of MACR-centric blogs there. MACR's MXNA aggregator should be out in RSS format (according to Mike Chambers) soon, so this would be a good one to add, too. I've had my ass saved a number of times from reading blogs. I've also gotten a ton of good tips, hints and tricks that I've filed mentally and come back to when I needed them. At least cruise http://www.markme.com/mxna/index.cfm?category=ColdFusion once a day, man! -- Alex ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187115 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Blackstone Beta
Okay, this is a PERFECT time to jump in here and pimp this thing... http://www.markme.com/macromedianews/ Dude, if you're using Firefox, you HAVE to load this extension. It's frickin unbelievable. It's single-handedly the coolest extension I've ever used. It blinks when there's updated content, it loads in a tab in the background, and it's just the most ubiquitous little way to keep up with the macromedia blog universe. I'm hooked like crack...er...not that I've ever tried crack...er...the drug, I mean...anyway, try that extension. It rules. Get yourself an RSS feed reader and get the feed from www.fullasagoog.com. Good collection of MACR-centric blogs there. MACR's MXNA aggregator should be out in RSS format (according to Mike Chambers) soon, so this would be a good one to add, too. I've had my ass saved a number of times from reading blogs. I've also gotten a ton of good tips, hints and tricks that I've filed mentally and come back to when I needed them. At least cruise http://www.markme.com/mxna/index.cfm?category=ColdFusion once a day, man! ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - CFDynamics http://www.cfdynamics.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187120 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Blackstone Beta
On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 15:48:28 -0500, Adrocknaphobia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So is everyone allowed to use the Beta in production or did you get som sly deal? Technically you'd have to join the beta to find that out... (and then you'd be covered by the NDA so you couldn't tell anyone else what the answer was to that question!) -- Sean A Corfield -- http://www.corfield.org/ Team Fusebox -- http://www.fusebox.org/ Breeze Me! -- http://www.corfield.org/breezeme If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187129 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Blackstone Beta
I implore you. NOW! But I can't tell you why. Pass. Is there a really good reason that people seem so eager to become beta testers for someone else's product? I can see it perhaps if support tells you it addresses a problem you're having with the current generation. Or if you develop products or sell services based on the platform. I'd just as soon wait for the .1 version. I think it makes sense for developers to beta test development tools. You will start learning the new features of those tools, and you will be able to influence the development of those tools and make sure that your current codebase works with the tools. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ phone: 202-797-5496 fax: 202-797-5444 ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - New Atlanta http://www.newatlanta.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187134 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Blackstone Beta
Every beta tester has the right on his own massage, lolly pops, and a week use of a limo for a week.. How;s that? ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187146 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Blackstone Beta
ASP.NET is lookin' pretty strong. I've always been a CF guy, but I recognize the power of .NET now. I built a .NET Contacts app in literally 15 minutes the other night. Fully functional, DONE! I'm sorry, but Blackstone has an uphill battle if it's going to compete with .NET. MM needs to take it further than it has! Will ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - New Atlanta http://www.newatlanta.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187150 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Blackstone Beta
Now that is pretty slick, too bad I use IE at work, but at least installed it at home. -- Aaron Rouse http://www.happyhacker.com/ On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 16:34:34 -0500, Jeff Small [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, this is a PERFECT time to jump in here and pimp this thing... http://www.markme.com/macromedianews/ Dude, if you're using Firefox, you HAVE to load this extension. It's frickin unbelievable. It's single-handedly the coolest extension I've ever used. It blinks when there's updated content, it loads in a tab in the background, and it's just the most ubiquitous little way to keep up with the macromedia blog universe. I'm hooked like crack...er...not that I've ever tried crack...er...the drug, I mean...anyway, try that extension. It rules. ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - CFDynamics http://www.cfdynamics.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187152 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Blackstone Beta
I have several friends who could not find new CF jobs and had to switch to .NET in order to stayed employed. Interesting enough, a few of those are now having to switch to Java in order to stay employed. Seems like it is always something else that one has to learn to stay on top of things, just a matter of figuring out which technology is going to last and which will either fail or not pay much so not be worth the effort. -- Aaron Rouse http://www.happyhacker.com/ On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 20:26:27 -0400, Will Tomlinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ASP.NET is lookin' pretty strong. I've always been a CF guy, but I recognize the power of .NET now. I built a .NET Contacts app in literally 15 minutes the other night. Fully functional, DONE! I'm sorry, but Blackstone has an uphill battle if it's going to compete with .NET. MM needs to take it further than it has! Will ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - CFDynamics http://www.cfdynamics.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187154 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Blackstone Beta
I was once told by a CF person turned .NET, that the simple things in CF were hard to do in .NET but the hard things in CF were easy to do in .NET I for one am like many, keep meaning to look deep into .NET but never find the time to do so. On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 20:55:15 -0400, Phil Cruz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been meaning to look more into ASP.NET but never seem to get around to it. One mental hurdle for me is the last I looked it seemed like you had to write a bunch of code to do simple queries. Nothing as simple/elegant as cfquery. If it really took you 15 minutes, would you consider using Camtasia or some screen capture software to record the process and share it with others and share the source code as well. I'd be interested in seeing it. -Phil ASP.NET is lookin' pretty strong. I've always been a CF guy, but I recognize the power of .NET now. I built a .NET Contacts app in literally 15 minutes the other night. Fully functional, DONE! I'm sorry, but Blackstone has an uphill battle if it's going to compete with .NET. MM needs to take it further than it has! Will ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - New Atlanta http://www.newatlanta.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187158 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
OT: News extension WAS (Re: Blackstone Beta)
I had the extension installed for about an hour and found it was more irritating than useful so I took it off again. I don't really want to be notified about all the news from Macromedia bloggers, just people who are dealing with CFMX, or specific individuals who I think have something interesting to say. Having everything in there just adds to the amount of noise and distraction I have to filter out of my day. Since I already have about 25 feeds set up in Thunderbird it just felt disjointed to have to go to Thunderbird for the majority of my daily news and all my emails, and have the extension notifying me of a small subset of the info I've already got aggregated in Thunderbird. If it was configurable to allow you to add feed URLs and to allow you to view the summaries as a tooltip in the news list then it would be a different story because it is nice to be notified when someone posts news you actually want to read. The only thing I'm missing from Thunderbird is an option for a system tray notification that works the same way for news feeds as it does for email. Spike Jeff Small wrote: Okay, this is a PERFECT time to jump in here and pimp this thing... http://www.markme.com/macromedianews/ Dude, if you're using Firefox, you HAVE to load this extension. It's frickin unbelievable. It's single-handedly the coolest extension I've ever used. It blinks when there's updated content, it loads in a tab in the background, and it's just the most ubiquitous little way to keep up with the macromedia blog universe. I'm hooked like crack...er...not that I've ever tried crack...er...the drug, I mean...anyway, try that extension. It rules. Get yourself an RSS feed reader and get the feed from www.fullasagoog.com. Good collection of MACR-centric blogs there. MACR's MXNA aggregator should be out in RSS format (according to Mike Chambers) soon, so this would be a good one to add, too. I've had my ass saved a number of times from reading blogs. I've also gotten a ton of good tips, hints and tricks that I've filed mentally and come back to when I needed them. At least cruise http://www.markme.com/mxna/index.cfm?category=ColdFusion once a day, man! ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - CFDynamics http://www.cfdynamics.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187159 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Blackstone Beta
Last two posts are so true. I've been using ironspreed designer. Builds ASP.NET apps in VB.NET or C# faster that any CF code. It's ridiculous! www.ironspeed.com I'm thikingone could make millions building a program that converted CF apps to .NET apps! Will ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187162 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Blackstone Beta
pretty ugly apps if u ask me i bet plum makes them in cfm faster not to mention several thousand dollars cheaper, oh wait, plum is free! cfmmaker makes them faster to i'd say -- Original Message -- From: Will Tomlinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 22:24:25 -0400 Last two posts are so true. I've been using ironspreed designer. Builds ASP.NET apps in VB.NET or C# faster that any CF code. It's ridiculous! www.ironspeed.com I'm thikingone could make millions building a program that converted CF apps to .NET apps! Will ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187168 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Blackstone Beta
Download www.ironspeed.com and you'll see what I mean. ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - CFDynamics http://www.cfdynamics.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187165 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: OT: News extension WAS (Re: Blackstone Beta)
On Dec 10, 2004, at 6:16 PM, Spike wrote: I don't really want to be notified about all the news from Macromedia bloggers, Well, seeing as that is all the extension does, I can see why you un-installed it. If it was configurable to allow you to add feed URLs and to allow you to view the summaries as a tooltip in the news list then it would be a different story because it is nice to be notified when someone posts news you actually want to read. Yeah. I was explicitly trying not to make it a general purpose aggregator. One thing I am considering is releasing a version that is just for ColdFusion, and one just for Flash (in addition to the Macromedia one). I will also be adding support for installing the extension in Thunderbird (early next week). The only thing I'm missing from Thunderbird is an option for a system tray notification that works the same way for news feeds as it does for email. If you know some Javascript, and can pick up some simple XUL / XML, then it would be pretty simple to add this to Thunderbird yourself. mike chambers Jeff Small wrote: Okay, this is a PERFECT time to jump in here and pimp this thing... http://www.markme.com/macromedianews/ Dude, if you're using Firefox, you HAVE to load this extension. It's frickin unbelievable. It's single-handedly the coolest extension I've ever used. It blinks when there's updated content, it loads in a tab in the background, and it's just the most ubiquitous little way to keep up with the macromedia blog universe. I'm hooked like crack...er...not that I've ever tried crack...er...the drug, I mean...anyway, try that extension. It rules. ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187170 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Blackstone Beta
Lewis Sellers wrote: Probably... a chance to influence the development of the software when the developers might be most apt to make the most changes? and making sure little in the released bits reach up bite you in the nether regions. ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - RUWebby http://www.ruwebby.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187171 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Blackstone Beta
At 04:18 AM 12/10/2004, Martin Parry wrote: Done it ! Let's hope it lives up to the promise :S What was that promise, exactly? I haven't been watching any media releases or paying attention... just writing code. Anders +===+ |Anders GreenEmail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | Home: 919.303.0218| | Off Road Rally Racing Team: http://LinaRacing.com/ | |Do you like Evite? This is better: http://RSVPtracker.com/ | +===+ ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:186963 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Blackstone Beta
On Friday 10 Dec 2004 14:58 pm, Aaron Rouse wrote: money back? ;) After all if already stable, not like you can make it more stable :) You keep adding 9's after the decimal point until someone tells you not to be so stupid :-) -- Tom Chiverton Advanced ColdFusion Programmer Tel: +44 (0)1749 834900 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] BlueFinger Limited Underwood Business Park Wookey Hole Road, WELLS. BA5 1AF Tel: +44 (0)1749 834900 Fax: +44 (0)1749 834XXX web: www.bluefinger.com Company Reg No: 4209395 Registered Office: 2 Temple Back East, Temple Quay, BRISTOL. BS1 6EG *** This E-mail contains confidential information for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. You should not use, disclose, distribute or copy this communication if received in error. No binding contract will result from this e-mail until such time as a written document is signed on behalf of the company. BlueFinger Limited cannot accept responsibility for the completeness or accuracy of this message as it has been transmitted over public networks.*** ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - CFDynamics http://www.cfdynamics.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:186979 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Blackstone Beta
Luckily, I am so stupid that I never clue in about it :) On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 15:04:52 +, Thomas Chiverton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 10 Dec 2004 14:58 pm, Aaron Rouse wrote: money back? ;) After all if already stable, not like you can make it more stable :) You keep adding 9's after the decimal point until someone tells you not to be so stupid :-) -- Tom Chiverton Advanced ColdFusion Programmer Tel: +44 (0)1749 834900 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] BlueFinger Limited Underwood Business Park Wookey Hole Road, WELLS. BA5 1AF Tel: +44 (0)1749 834900 Fax: +44 (0)1749 834XXX web: www.bluefinger.com Company Reg No: 4209395 Registered Office: 2 Temple Back East, Temple Quay, BRISTOL. BS1 6EG *** This E-mail contains confidential information for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. You should not use, disclose, distribute or copy this communication if received in error. No binding contract will result from this e-mail until such time as a written document is signed on behalf of the company. BlueFinger Limited cannot accept responsibility for the completeness or accuracy of this message as it has been transmitted over public networks.*** ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - CFDynamics http://www.cfdynamics.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:186984 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Blackstone Beta
Heck we never had problems with even CF5 in regards to stability. Now speed, well that is a whole other story. On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 10:11:35 -0500, Michael Dinowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've never had problems with MX to begin with. I was just giving the standard stuff rather than go into specifics. NDA and all. Actually, there were events that caused me to make server changes last night and make the original post that are also NDA covered. The only thing I could do was remind people about the beta so they could learn on their own. Personally, as seen from FA, Blackstone is really fast. Faster than 6.1? I can't really say but probably. More stable than 6.1? Again, I can't say but probably as they've had time to look at things, listen to the insane ramblings of people like me and look deeper into the hidden nooks and crannies. All I can say is that even on the limited hardware HoF is on, it's fast. Wasn't some of the promise for MX that it was fast and stable? If so does that mean they did not live up to the promise and we get our money back? ;) After all if already stable, not like you can make it more stable :) On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 09:57:42 -0400, Michael Dinowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the promise is that it's fast, stable and has new, cool features. Fusion Authority is running 100% on Blackstone and House of Fusion has back end components on Blackstone as well. I'm hoping to be 100% Blackstone for everything next week. It's fast, it's stable, and I've got some code tricks that people will just love based on my work with Blackstone. At 04:18 AM 12/10/2004, Martin Parry wrote: Done it ! Let's hope it lives up to the promise :S What was that promise, exactly? I haven't been watching any media releases or paying attention... just writing code. Anders +===+ |Anders GreenEmail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | Home: 919.303.0218| | Off Road Rally Racing Team: http://LinaRacing.com/ | |Do you like Evite? This is better: http://RSVPtracker.com/ | +===+ ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187014 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Blackstone Beta
Geek gene ...LMAO On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 12:20:13 -0800, Ken Ketsdever [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think you have a fewer geek gene than the beta bunch. -Original Message- From: Jim McAtee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 12:17 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Blackstone Beta I implore you. NOW! But I can't tell you why. Pass. Is there a really good reason that people seem so eager to become beta testers for someone else's product? I can see it perhaps if support tells you it addresses a problem you're having with the current generation. Or if you develop products or sell services based on the platform. I'd just as soon wait for the .1 version. - Original Message - From: Michael Dinowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 1:57 AM Subject: Blackstone Beta For those not in the blackstone beta, I implore you to get in on it NOW! http://www.macromedia.com/support/programs/beta.html ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - New Atlanta http://www.newatlanta.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187095 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Blackstone Beta
Not only do I not have a blog, but I also never read blogs. Though sometimes I wish I had the free time to do so, since seems to be a great amount of technical information on them. On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 13:44:45 -0700, Jim McAtee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll gladly admit to that. I don't even have a blog, if you can believe it. - Original Message - From: Ken Ketsdever [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 1:20 PM Subject: RE: Blackstone Beta I think you have a fewer geek gene than the beta bunch. -Original Message- From: Jim McAtee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 12:17 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Blackstone Beta I implore you. NOW! But I can't tell you why. Pass. Is there a really good reason that people seem so eager to become beta testers for someone else's product? I can see it perhaps if support tells you it addresses a problem you're having with the current generation. Or if you develop products or sell services based on the platform. I'd just as soon wait for the .1 version. - Original Message - From: Michael Dinowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 1:57 AM Subject: Blackstone Beta For those not in the blackstone beta, I implore you to get in on it NOW! http://www.macromedia.com/support/programs/beta.html ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187107 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Blackstone Beta
I've been meaning to look more into ASP.NET but never seem to get around to it. One mental hurdle for me is the last I looked it seemed like you had to write a bunch of code to do simple queries. Nothing as simple/elegant as cfquery. If it really took you 15 minutes, would you consider using Camtasia or some screen capture software to record the process and share it with others and share the source code as well. I'd be interested in seeing it. -Phil ASP.NET is lookin' pretty strong. I've always been a CF guy, but I recognize the power of .NET now. I built a .NET Contacts app in literally 15 minutes the other night. Fully functional, DONE! I'm sorry, but Blackstone has an uphill battle if it's going to compete with .NET. MM needs to take it further than it has! Will ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187157 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Blackstone Beta
Have a look at wget, it has a resume option. I used it for bigger downloads when I was on dialup. Ade -Original Message- From: vishnu prasad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 September 2004 06:48 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Blackstone Beta Hi Dave i did't ask in the sense of violation ,i am very much intrested in beta partcipation ,but i could't download the application i try to download the software around 10 time ,due to my poor internet connectivity i could't complte the download [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
Re: Blackstone Beta
look at the beta newsgroup topics, there is mention in there about this issue. Doug - Original Message - From: Adrian Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 12:38:24 +0100 Subject: RE: Blackstone Beta To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Have a look at wget, it has a resume option. I used it for bigger downloads when I was on dialup. Ade -Original Message- From: vishnu prasad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 September 2004 06:48 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Blackstone Beta Hi Dave i did't ask in the sense of violation ,i am very much intrested in beta partcipation ,but i could't download the application i try to download the software around 10 time ,due to my poor internet connectivity i could't complte the download [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
Re: Blackstone Beta
Vishnu, pleae take this to the Beta newsgroup.We can help you there. Thanks Hi All i am into blackstone beta participation, i try to download the Software from the mmbeta.macromedia.com ,other than mx 7i download other things ,due to my poor internet connection i am not able to download the MX 7 software does any beta participation members can hepl me to get the software regards Vishnu [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
Blackstone Beta
Hi All i am into blackstone beta participation, i try to download the Software from the mmbeta.macromedia.com ,other than mx 7i download other things ,due to my poor internet connection i am not able to download the MX 7 software does any beta participation members can hepl me to get the software regards Vishnu [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
Re: Blackstone Beta
ur probably SOL and from what i have read on here u just violated the nda so u might not be on the beta anymore u may call MM and see if u can get it on disk -- Original Message -- From: vishnu prasad [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date:Thu, 16 Sep 2004 00:17:26 -0400 Hi All i am into blackstone beta participation, i try to download the Software from the mmbeta.macromedia.com ,other than mx 7i download other things ,due to my poor internet connection i am not able to download the MX 7 software does any beta participation members can hepl me to get the software regards Vishnu [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
Re: Blackstone Beta
Hi Dave i did't ask in the sense of violation ,i am very much intrested in beta partcipation ,but i could't download the application i try to download the software around 10 time ,due to my poor internet connectivity i could't complte the download ur probably SOL and from what i have read on here u just violated the nda so u might not be on the beta anymore u may call MM and see if u can get it on disk -- Original Message -- From: vishnu prasad [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date:Thu, 16 Sep 2004 00:17:26 -0400 Hi All i am into blackstone beta participation, i try to download the Software from the mmbeta.macromedia.com ,other than mx 7i download other things ,due to my poor internet connection i am not able to download the MX 7 software does any beta participation members can hepl me to get the software regards Vishnu [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
Re: Blackstone Beta
i only said it so we could get over it tonight and not have 200 messages about it tomorrow morning as someones bound to have a fit over it as we seem to go through this every few weeks, lol reminds me of the mm is being bought by m$ crap again but according to the last few of these discusions that have gone on here u arent allowed to publicaly disclose that u r part of the beta group. Or so it has been stated. and i am assuming that u will have to login to be able to dl it and as per posts yesterday the dl url dynamically changes so back to where we started SOL give MM a call or email and see if they can snail u a copy -- Original Message -- From: vishnu prasad [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date:Thu, 16 Sep 2004 01:47:35 -0400 Hi Dave i did't ask in the sense of violation ,i am very much intrested in beta partcipation ,but i could't download the application i try to download the software around 10 time ,due to my poor internet connectivity i could't complte the download ur probably SOL and from what i have read on here u just violated the nda so u might not be on the beta anymore u may call MM and see if u can get it on disk -- Original Message -- From: vishnu prasad [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date:Thu, 16 Sep 2004 00:17:26 -0400 Hi All i am into blackstone beta participation, i try to download the Software from the mmbeta.macromedia.com ,other than mx 7i download other things ,due to my poor internet connection i am not able to download the MX 7 software does any beta participation members can hepl me to get the software regards Vishnu [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
BlackStone Beta 1
did someone knows that BlackStone Beta 1 was out last night?? Its preety cool, I am playing with that now, and it feels like I am working on FLEX with coldfusion. it has preety cool cfform features, pdf, report generation, flash paper and alot more. really its amazing product. Just my thoughts. - Asim [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
Re: BlackStone Beta 1
Did you bother to read the NDA? On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 12:47:49 -0400, Asim Manzur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: did someone knows that BlackStone Beta 1 was out last night?? Its preety cool, I am playing with that now, and it feels like I am working on FLEX with coldfusion. it has preety cool cfform features, pdf, report generation, flash paper and alot more. really its amazing product. Just my thoughts. - Asim -- Barney Boisvert [EMAIL PROTECTED] 360.319.6145 http://www.barneyb.com [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
Re: BlackStone Beta 1
sorry. Could admin please delete this post. please please please. Did you bother to read the NDA? On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 12:47:49 -0400, Asim Manzur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- Barney Boisvert [EMAIL PROTECTED] 360.319.6145 http://www.barneyb.com [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
RE: BlackStone Beta 1
maybe your thoughts should be around N.. D.. A... :-) Sam -- Blog:http://www.rewindlife.com Chart: http://www.blinex.com/products/charting -- -Original Message- From: Asim Manzur [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 12:48 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: BlackStone Beta 1 did someone knows that BlackStone Beta 1 was out last night?? Its preety cool, I am playing with that now, and it feels like I am working on FLEX with coldfusion. it has preety cool cfform features, pdf, report generation, flash paper and alot more. really its amazing product. Just my thoughts. - Asim [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
RE: BlackStone Beta 1
Nope, jail time. :-) Michael T. Tangorre -Original Message- From: Asim Manzur [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 1:00 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: BlackStone Beta 1 sorry. Could admin please delete this post. please please please. Did you bother to read the NDA? On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 12:47:49 -0400, Asim Manzur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- Barney Boisvert [EMAIL PROTECTED] 360.319.6145 http://www.barneyb.com [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
Re: BlackStone Beta 1
I'll delete the post is you post a link to the install executable. . im joking. please dont do that. -Adam - Original Message - From: Asim Manzur [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 12:59:49 -0400 Subject: Re: BlackStone Beta 1 To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] sorry. Could admin please delete this post. please please please. Did you bother to read the NDA? On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 12:47:49 -0400, Asim Manzur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- Barney Boisvert [EMAIL PROTECTED] 360.319.6145 http://www.barneyb.com [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
Re: BlackStone Beta 1
Just remember the NDA and don't make people jealous of your access. :) As for those not on the beta, I'm going to find out what the url is for people to request access to it. MM has stated that this beta cycle will have more people on it as they want to have heavy testing going on. did someone knows that BlackStone Beta 1 was out last night?? Its preety cool, I am playing with that now, and it feels like I am working on FLEX with coldfusion. it has preety cool cfform features, pdf, report generation, flash paper and alot more. really its amazing product. Just my thoughts. - Asim [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
Re: BlackStone Beta 1
:-( I'll delete the post is you post a link to the install executable. . im joking. please dont do that. -Adam - Original Message - From: Asim Manzur [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 12:59:49 -0400 Subject: Re: BlackStone Beta 1 To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] sorry. Could admin please delete this post. please please please. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
Re: BlackStone Beta 1
In truth, the answer is kind of no. I can delete this post, but it's already been replicated to at least 6 other archives of the list and is in everyone's mail box. I would not worry much as it was a mistake and you were just showing your enthusiasm. sorry. Could admin please delete this post. please please please. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
Re: BlackStone Beta 1
this one I think...? http://www.macromedia.com/support/programs/beta.html [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
Re: BlackStone Beta 1
:-D turn that frown upside down. think all the nerd envy you are getting right now. -adam - Original Message - From: Asim Manzur [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 13:07:40 -0400 Subject: Re: BlackStone Beta 1 To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] :-( I'll delete the post is you post a link to the install executable. . im joking. please dont do that. -Adam - Original Message - From: Asim Manzur [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 12:59:49 -0400 Subject: Re: BlackStone Beta 1 To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] sorry. Could admin please delete this post. please please please. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
