Re: CF and Java

[Larry Lyons]

>Larry,
>Excellent Resource. Thanx for sharing.
>

Glad to help. Also if you're going to CFUnited, Adam Haskell is giving a 2 part 
presentation on CF and java. he already has his code available online: 
http://cfrant.blogspot.com/2009/08/cfunited-introduction-to-java.html

regards,
larry 

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Re: CF and Java

[Gerald Guido]

Larry,
Excellent Resource. Thanx for sharing.

G!

On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 12:20 PM, Larry Lyons  wrote:

>
> Alan,
>
> A couple of things, first off Elliot Spren had a great presentation last
> year on the java internals of CF. Its available online:
> http://tinyurl.com/cf-internals-presentation
>
> Also cfdump can be very helpful in exploring the built in java classes.
> Simply create the java object then use cfdump to get the methods. Also
> remember that all of the standard java packages are available to CF.
>
> hth,
> larry
>
> 

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Re: CF and Java

[Larry Lyons]

>Hey All,
>Has anyone found an easy way to "wander" through all of the classes /
>packages available to CF through Java?
>
>I keep finding cool things other people have done using Java classes or
>packages that CF has already built in, but aren't in any way documented.
>
>I'd just like to wander through like I do in the Flex API docs and look for
>interestingly named items and figure out what they do...
>

Alan,

A couple of things, first off Elliot Spren had a great presentation last year 
on the java internals of CF. Its available online: 
http://tinyurl.com/cf-internals-presentation

Also cfdump can be very helpful in exploring the built in java classes. Simply 
create the java object then use cfdump to get the methods. Also remember that 
all of the standard java packages are available to CF.

hth,
larry 

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Re: CF and Java

[Dave l]

you could always hit it with cfdirectory and look at dateLastModified



> > However, it may still be possible that there are other
> > classes and packages
> > out the in CF that CAN pull assets from SWF files... Seems
> > unlikely, but who
> > knows, there are sooo many of them.
> 
> 
> I have never used it. But if you are curious, open the jar and look 
> inside ;-) That class is from the 
> C:\ColdFusion8\wwwroot\WEB-INF\cfform\jars\flex.jar
> 
> -Leigh
> 
> 
  
> 


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Re: CF and Java

[Leigh]

> However, it may still be possible that there are other
> classes and packages
> out the in CF that CAN pull assets from SWF files... Seems
> unlikely, but who
> knows, there are sooo many of them.


I have never used it. But if you are curious, open the jar and look inside ;-) 
That class is from the C:\ColdFusion8\wwwroot\WEB-INF\cfform\jars\flex.jar

-Leigh


  


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Re: CF and Java

[Alan Rother]

As far as I have been able to determine all it does is to return the meta
info for the file.
http://coldfused.blogspot.com/2008/02/reading-flash-swf-metadata-from.html

Is
Compressed : #header.compressed#
Frame Count : #header.framecount#
Frame rate : #header.rate#
Version : #header.version#
Height : #rect.getHeight()#
Width : #rect.getWidth()#");

I used the code from Rupesh to build a function that should be available on
CFLIB.org soon. Ray just needs to approve it.

However, it may still be possible that there are other classes and packages
out the in CF that CAN pull assets from SWF files... Seems unlikely, but who
knows, there are sooo many of them.

=]

-- 
Alan Rother
Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX 7 Developer
Manager, Phoenix Cold Fusion User Group, AZCFUG.org


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RE: CF and Java

[Mark Kruger]

Alan,

Getting in on this late (sorry). This tag decoder allows you to do what -
get at the dimensions of the stage in the swf file?  Pretty cool. Does it
allow for anything else? Like extracting the embedded assets etc?

-Mark
 


Mark A. Kruger, CFG, MCSE
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-Original Message-
From: Alan Rother [mailto:alan.rot...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 11:04 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: CF and Java


Cool,
thanks everyone.

Just in case someone else has something, let me give a better example of
what I'm talking about.

I had a problem the other day where I had a client who has a website with
years and years of assets stacking up on their server. They had hundreds of
SWF files in one folder and a database table linking them to the respective
advertisers. Unfortunately due to bad design by the original author, there
were no dates associated with the files in the database (UUID PK).

The one thing the client did know was that they only wanted to be using
their newest size of 138h X 250w. So any files that were not that dimension
could be filtered out. SO I needed a way to programatically determine their
sizes.

One quick google search turned up the perfect solution on Rupesh Kumar's
blog, which is what started all of this for me. Now Rupesh is one of the
engineers at Adobe, so he has all sorts of inside info, but how would any of
us regular programmers know that this package existed

decoder = createObject("java", "macromedia.swf.TagDecoder").init(fis); //
create TagDecoder

And how many other amazing little tidbits like this are there still waiting
to be found and put to use...
Anyhow... Thats was my inspiration for wanting to troll through all the java
packages CF has just laying around.

=]

--
Alan Rother
Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX 7 Developer Manager, Phoenix Cold
Fusion User Group, AZCFUG.org




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Re: CF and Java

[Alan Rother]

Cool,
thanks everyone.

Just in case someone else has something, let me give a better example of
what I'm talking about.

I had a problem the other day where I had a client who has a website with
years and years of assets stacking up on their server. They had hundreds of
SWF files in one folder and a database table linking them to the
respective advertisers. Unfortunately due to bad design by the original
author, there were no dates associated with the files in the database (UUID
PK).

The one thing the client did know was that they only wanted to be using
their newest size of 138h X 250w. So any files that were not that dimension
could be filtered out. SO I needed a way to programatically determine their
sizes.

One quick google search turned up the perfect solution on Rupesh Kumar's
blog, which is what started all of this for me. Now Rupesh is one of the
engineers at Adobe, so he has all sorts of inside info, but how would any of
us regular programmers know that this package existed

decoder = createObject("java", "macromedia.swf.TagDecoder").init(fis); //
create TagDecoder

And how many other amazing little tidbits like this are there still waiting
to be found and put to use...
Anyhow... Thats was my inspiration for wanting to troll through all the java
packages CF has just laying around.

=]

-- 
Alan Rother
Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX 7 Developer
Manager, Phoenix Cold Fusion User Group, AZCFUG.org


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Re: CF and Java

[Eric Cobb]

I'm not sure if all of these are available to CF.

http://java.sun.com/javase/6/docs/api/overview-summary.html


Thanks,

Eric Cobb
http://www.cfgears.com


Alan Rother wrote:
> Hey All,
> Has anyone found an easy way to "wander" through all of the classes /
> packages available to CF through Java?
> 
> I keep finding cool things other people have done using Java classes or
> packages that CF has already built in, but aren't in any way documented.
> 
> I'd just like to wander through like I do in the Flex API docs and look for
> interestingly named items and figure out what they do...
> 
> =]
> 


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Re: CF and Java

[Dominic Watson]

I don't know that there is any tidy browser type thing - but Alagad built a
little tool for reflection:

http://www.alagad.com/reflection/
( http://www.alagad.com/go/products-and-projects )

Perhaps combine that with this:

http://fusion.dominicwatson.co.uk/2007/09/coldfusion-objects-are-java-objects.html

And maybe you could build your own full coldfusion object javadoc navigator
thing (unless someone can find one that exists already) ;)

Dominic

2009/8/7 Alan Rother 

>
> Hey All,
> Has anyone found an easy way to "wander" through all of the classes /
> packages available to CF through Java?
>
> I keep finding cool things other people have done using Java classes or
> packages that CF has already built in, but aren't in any way documented.
>
> I'd just like to wander through like I do in the Flex API docs and look for
> interestingly named items and figure out what they do...
>
> =]
>
> --
> Alan Rother
> Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX 7 Developer
> Manager, Phoenix Cold Fusion User Group, AZCFUG.org
>


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Re: CF and Java

[Gerald Guido]

 *** *Here is a place to start:

http://java.sun.com/javase/reference/api.jsp

Not exactly what you are looking for but... Ike Dealey did a lot of CF
related Java spelunking in this article

http://coldfusion.sys-con.com/node/45569

I found it to be a good read and it turned me on to a lot of new ideas.

HTH

G!

On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 8:03 PM, Alan Rother  wrote:

>
> Hey All,
> Has anyone found an easy way to "wander" through all of the classes /
> packages available to CF through Java?
>
> I keep finding cool things other people have done using Java classes or
> packages that CF has already built in, but aren't in any way documented.
>
> I'd just like to wander through like I do in the Flex API docs and look for
> interestingly named items and figure out what they do...
>
> =]
>
> --
> Alan Rother
> Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX 7 Developer
> Manager, Phoenix Cold Fusion User Group, AZCFUG.org
>
>
> 

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CF and Java

[Alan Rother]

Hey All,
Has anyone found an easy way to "wander" through all of the classes /
packages available to CF through Java?

I keep finding cool things other people have done using Java classes or
packages that CF has already built in, but aren't in any way documented.

I'd just like to wander through like I do in the Flex API docs and look for
interestingly named items and figure out what they do...

=]

-- 
Alan Rother
Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX 7 Developer
Manager, Phoenix Cold Fusion User Group, AZCFUG.org


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Re: CF and Java

[Andrew Whone]

Line 91 is:
XMLSignatureInput result = transforms.performTransforms(input);
10 from the end.
A+

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RE: CF and Java

[Phillip Duba]

What is line 91 in your java file? That's where the error in your class
is being thrown,

Phil

-Original Message-
From: Russ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 11:46 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF and Java

Looks like something is getting a null pointer, meaning something is not
getting set.  I usually find it easier to create the methods, test them
in
java through eclipse (stepping through the debugger if necessary) and
once
it's ready to put it to cf.  Basically it's breaking at line 91 in your
file, so either your passing some null variable, or you forgot to set
something, etc.. 

Russ

> -Original Message-
> From: Andrew Whone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 11:01 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: CF and Java
> 
> I got a bit further on using Mark Mandels Javaloader.
> The coldfusion code is:
> 
> loadPaths = ArrayNew(1);
> loadPaths[1] = expandPath("irmarkjars");
> loadPaths[2] = expandPath("irmarkjars\jce-jdk13-114.jar");
> loadPaths[3] = expandPath("irmarkjars\style-apachexml.jar");
> loadPaths[4] = expandPath("irmarkjars\stylebook-1.0-b3_xalan-2.jar");
> loadPaths[5] = expandPath("irmarkjars\xmlParserAPIs.jar");
> loadPaths[6] = expandPath("irmarkjars\xmlsec.jar");
> loadPaths[7] = expandPath("irmarkjars\jakarta-log4j-1.2.6.jar");
> loadPaths[8] = expandPath("irmarkjars\xercesImpl.jar");
> loadPaths[9] = expandPath("irmarkjars\xml-apis.jar");
> loadPaths[10] = expandPath("irmarkjars\xalan.jar");
> loader = createObject("component",
> "javaloader.JavaLoader").init(loadPaths);
> IRMark = loader.create("IRMark");
> ret = IRMark.init("input.xml");
> 
> #ret.doStuff()#
> 
> The java code is:
> public class IRMark  {
>  protected String filename;
>   public IRMark (String filename) throws Exception
>   {
> this.filename=filename;
>   }
>   public String doStuff()throws Exception
>   {
> // Init the Apache XML security library
>   Init.init();
> 
>   // Open the input file
>   FileInputStream fis=null;
>   try {
>   fis=new
> FileInputStream("C:\\CFusionMX7\\wwwroot\\tradesmen\\input.xml");
>   } catch (FileNotFoundException e) {
>   return("The file " + filename + " could not be
> opened.");
>   }
>   // Load file into a byte array
>   byte[] data=null;
>   try {
>   int bytes=fis.available();
>   data=new byte[bytes];
>   fis.read(data);
>   } catch (IOException e) {
>   System.out.println("Error reading file.");
>   e.printStackTrace();
>   return("Error reading file.");
>   }
>   // First part is to run the a transform
over
the
> input to extract the
>   // fragment to be digested. This is done by setting up a
> Transforms
>   // object from a Template and then executing against the
input
> document
>   // The transforms to be performed are specified by using
the
> template XML below.
>   String transformStr =
> "\n"
>   + " xmlns:dsig='http://www.w3.org/2000/09/xmldsig#'
> xmlns:gt='http://www.govtalk.gov.uk/CM/envelope'
> xmlns:ir='http://www.govtalk.gov.uk/taxation/CISrequest'>\n"
>   + "\n"
>   + "\n"
>   + "count(ancestor-or-
> self::node()|/gt:GovTalkMessage/gt:Body)=count(ancestor-or-
> self::node())\n"
>   + " and count(self::ir:IRmark)=0 \n"
>   + " and count(../self::ir:IRmark)=0 \n"
>   + "\n"
>   + "\n"
>   + "\n"
>   + "\n"
>   ;
> 
>   // Parse the transform details to create a document
>   DocumentBuilderFactory
> dbf=DocumentBuilderFactory.newInstance();
>   dbf.setNamespaceAware(true);
>   DocumentBuilder db=dbf.newDocumentBuilder();
>   Document doc=db.parse(new
> ByteArrayInputStream(transformStr.getBytes()));
> 
>   // Construct a Apache security Transforms object from
that
> document
>   Transforms transforms = new
> Transforms(doc.get

RE: CF and Java

[Russ]

Looks like something is getting a null pointer, meaning something is not
getting set.  I usually find it easier to create the methods, test them in
java through eclipse (stepping through the debugger if necessary) and once
it's ready to put it to cf.  Basically it's breaking at line 91 in your
file, so either your passing some null variable, or you forgot to set
something, etc.. 

Russ

> -Original Message-
> From: Andrew Whone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 11:01 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: CF and Java
> 
> I got a bit further on using Mark Mandels Javaloader.
> The coldfusion code is:
> 
> loadPaths = ArrayNew(1);
> loadPaths[1] = expandPath("irmarkjars");
> loadPaths[2] = expandPath("irmarkjars\jce-jdk13-114.jar");
> loadPaths[3] = expandPath("irmarkjars\style-apachexml.jar");
> loadPaths[4] = expandPath("irmarkjars\stylebook-1.0-b3_xalan-2.jar");
> loadPaths[5] = expandPath("irmarkjars\xmlParserAPIs.jar");
> loadPaths[6] = expandPath("irmarkjars\xmlsec.jar");
> loadPaths[7] = expandPath("irmarkjars\jakarta-log4j-1.2.6.jar");
> loadPaths[8] = expandPath("irmarkjars\xercesImpl.jar");
> loadPaths[9] = expandPath("irmarkjars\xml-apis.jar");
> loadPaths[10] = expandPath("irmarkjars\xalan.jar");
> loader = createObject("component",
> "javaloader.JavaLoader").init(loadPaths);
> IRMark = loader.create("IRMark");
> ret = IRMark.init("input.xml");
> 
> #ret.doStuff()#
> 
> The java code is:
> public class IRMark  {
>  protected String filename;
>   public IRMark (String filename) throws Exception
>   {
> this.filename=filename;
>   }
>   public String doStuff()throws Exception
>   {
> // Init the Apache XML security library
>   Init.init();
> 
>   // Open the input file
>   FileInputStream fis=null;
>   try {
>   fis=new
> FileInputStream("C:\\CFusionMX7\\wwwroot\\tradesmen\\input.xml");
>   } catch (FileNotFoundException e) {
>   return("The file " + filename + " could not be
> opened.");
>   }
>   // Load file into a byte array
>   byte[] data=null;
>   try {
>   int bytes=fis.available();
>   data=new byte[bytes];
>   fis.read(data);
>   } catch (IOException e) {
>   System.out.println("Error reading file.");
>   e.printStackTrace();
>   return("Error reading file.");
>   }
>   // First part is to run the a transform over
the
> input to extract the
>   // fragment to be digested. This is done by setting up a
> Transforms
>   // object from a Template and then executing against the
input
> document
>   // The transforms to be performed are specified by using the
> template XML below.
>   String transformStr =
> "\n"
>   + " xmlns:dsig='http://www.w3.org/2000/09/xmldsig#'
> xmlns:gt='http://www.govtalk.gov.uk/CM/envelope'
> xmlns:ir='http://www.govtalk.gov.uk/taxation/CISrequest'>\n"
>   + "\n"
>   + "\n"
>   + "count(ancestor-or-
> self::node()|/gt:GovTalkMessage/gt:Body)=count(ancestor-or-
> self::node())\n"
>   + " and count(self::ir:IRmark)=0 \n"
>   + " and count(../self::ir:IRmark)=0 \n"
>   + "\n"
>   + "\n"
>   + "\n"
>   + "\n"
>   ;
> 
>   // Parse the transform details to create a document
>   DocumentBuilderFactory
> dbf=DocumentBuilderFactory.newInstance();
>   dbf.setNamespaceAware(true);
>   DocumentBuilder db=dbf.newDocumentBuilder();
>   Document doc=db.parse(new
> ByteArrayInputStream(transformStr.getBytes()));
> 
>   // Construct a Apache security Transforms object from that
> document
>   Transforms transforms = new
> Transforms(doc.getDocumentElement(), null);
> 
>   // Now perform the transform on the input to get the
results.
>   XMLSignatureInput input = new XMLSignatureInput(data);
>   XMLSignatureInput result =
> transforms.performTransf

Re: CF and Java

[Andrew Whone]

I got a bit further on using Mark Mandels Javaloader.
The coldfusion code is:

loadPaths = ArrayNew(1);
loadPaths[1] = expandPath("irmarkjars");
loadPaths[2] = expandPath("irmarkjars\jce-jdk13-114.jar");
loadPaths[3] = expandPath("irmarkjars\style-apachexml.jar");
loadPaths[4] = expandPath("irmarkjars\stylebook-1.0-b3_xalan-2.jar");
loadPaths[5] = expandPath("irmarkjars\xmlParserAPIs.jar");
loadPaths[6] = expandPath("irmarkjars\xmlsec.jar");
loadPaths[7] = expandPath("irmarkjars\jakarta-log4j-1.2.6.jar");
loadPaths[8] = expandPath("irmarkjars\xercesImpl.jar");
loadPaths[9] = expandPath("irmarkjars\xml-apis.jar");
loadPaths[10] = expandPath("irmarkjars\xalan.jar");
loader = createObject("component", "javaloader.JavaLoader").init(loadPaths);
IRMark = loader.create("IRMark");
ret = IRMark.init("input.xml");

#ret.doStuff()#

The java code is: 
public class IRMark  {
 protected String filename;
  public IRMark (String filename) throws Exception
  {
this.filename=filename; 
}
  public String doStuff()throws Exception
  {
  // Init the Apache XML security library
Init.init();

// Open the input file
FileInputStream fis=null;
try {
fis=new 
FileInputStream("C:\\CFusionMX7\\wwwroot\\tradesmen\\input.xml");
} catch (FileNotFoundException e) {
return("The file " + filename + " could not be 
opened.");
}  
// Load file into a byte array
byte[] data=null;
try {
int bytes=fis.available();
data=new byte[bytes];
fis.read(data);
} catch (IOException e) {
System.out.println("Error reading file.");
e.printStackTrace();
return("Error reading file.");
}
// First part is to run the a transform over 
the input to extract the
// fragment to be digested. This is done by setting up a 
Transforms
// object from a Template and then executing against the input 
document
// The transforms to be performed are specified by using the 
template XML below.
String transformStr =
"\n"
+ "\n"
+ "\n"
+ "\n"
+ 
"count(ancestor-or-self::node()|/gt:GovTalkMessage/gt:Body)=count(ancestor-or-self::node())\n"
+ " and count(self::ir:IRmark)=0 \n"
+ " and count(../self::ir:IRmark)=0 \n"
+ "\n"
+ "\n"
+ "\n"
+ "\n"
;

// Parse the transform details to create a document
DocumentBuilderFactory dbf=DocumentBuilderFactory.newInstance();
dbf.setNamespaceAware(true);
DocumentBuilder db=dbf.newDocumentBuilder();
Document doc=db.parse(new 
ByteArrayInputStream(transformStr.getBytes()));

// Construct a Apache security Transforms object from that 
document
Transforms transforms = new 
Transforms(doc.getDocumentElement(), null);

// Now perform the transform on the input to get the results.
XMLSignatureInput input = new XMLSignatureInput(data);
XMLSignatureInput result = transforms.performTransforms(input);

// Uncomment this line to see transform output
//System.out.println(new String(result.getBytes()));

// Second part is to run output via SHA1 digest
// This is done via the standard java.security API
MessageDigest md = MessageDigest.getInstance("SHA");
md.update(result.getBytes());
byte[] digest=md.digest();

// And finally print a Base64 of the digest with
// The help of the BouncyCastle JCE library
System.out.println("IRmark: " + new 
String(Base64.encode(digest)));
return filename;
   }
}
The error message is now:
java.lang.NullPointerException
at 
org.apache.xml.security.transforms.Transform.(Transform.java:195)
at 
org.apache.xml.security.transforms.Transforms.item(Transforms.java:329)
at 
org.apache.xml.security.transforms.Transforms.performTransforms(Transforms.java:256)
at IRMark.doStuff(IRMark.java:91)etc

So I am still trying but things are a bit clearer...mmm.. what now?
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RE: CF and Java

[Russ]

Also check the CF error log.  I was just having the same kind of proble...
Error 500, I checked the cf log and it said that the class name is not
defined.  Turns out I needed to modify my jar packager to include the new
package that I just added.  

Russ



> -Original Message-
> From: Russ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 12:21 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: CF and Java
> 
> Does the code work when you run it from java?  In the main method, do
> something like:
> 
> IRMark irmark=new IRMark("somefile.xml");
> System.out.println(irmark.doStuff());
> 
> Russ
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Andrew Whone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 10:23 AM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: Re: CF and Java
> >
> > I got Russ's code working but if I do this:
> >  public class IRMark  {
> >  protected String filename;
> >   public IRMark (String filename) throws Exception
> >   {
> > this.filename=filename;
> > // Init the Apache XML security library
> > Init.init();
> > }
> >   public String doStuff()
> >   {
> > return filename;
> >}
> > }
> > I get an Object Instantiation Exception
> > and if i do this
> >  public class IRMark  {
> >  protected String filename;
> >   public IRMark (String filename) throws Exception
> >   {
> > this.filename=filename;
> >
> > }
> >   public String doStuff()
> >   {
> > // Init the Apache XML security library
> > Init.init();
> > return filename;
> >}
> > }
> > I get this
> > 500 org/apache/xml/security/Init
> > org/apache/xml/security/Init
> > no errors
> > I tried the latter with the rest of the code but cannot get anything
> else
> > Any suggestions?
> > A+
> >
> >
> 
> 

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RE: CF and Java

[Russ]

Does the code work when you run it from java?  In the main method, do
something like:

IRMark irmark=new IRMark("somefile.xml");
System.out.println(irmark.doStuff());

Russ

> -Original Message-
> From: Andrew Whone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 10:23 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: CF and Java
> 
> I got Russ's code working but if I do this:
>  public class IRMark  {
>  protected String filename;
>   public IRMark (String filename) throws Exception
>   {
> this.filename=filename;
>   // Init the Apache XML security library
>   Init.init();
>   }
>   public String doStuff()
>   {
>   return filename;
>}
> }
> I get an Object Instantiation Exception
> and if i do this
>  public class IRMark  {
>  protected String filename;
>   public IRMark (String filename) throws Exception
>   {
> this.filename=filename;
> 
>   }
>   public String doStuff()
>   {
>   // Init the Apache XML security library
>   Init.init();
>   return filename;
>}
> }
> I get this
> 500 org/apache/xml/security/Init
> org/apache/xml/security/Init
> no errors
> I tried the latter with the rest of the code but cannot get anything else
> Any suggestions?
> A+
> 
> 

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Re: CF and Java

[Andrew Whone]

I got Russ's code working but if I do this:
 public class IRMark  {
 protected String filename;
  public IRMark (String filename) throws Exception
  {
this.filename=filename;
// Init the Apache XML security library
Init.init();
}
  public String doStuff()
  {
return filename;   
   }
}
I get an Object Instantiation Exception
and if i do this
 public class IRMark  {
 protected String filename;
  public IRMark (String filename) throws Exception
  {
this.filename=filename;

}
  public String doStuff()
  {
// Init the Apache XML security library
Init.init();
return filename;   
   }
}
I get this
500 org/apache/xml/security/Init
org/apache/xml/security/Init
no errors
I tried the latter with the rest of the code but cannot get anything else
Any suggestions?
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Re: CF and Java

[Andrew Whone]

I am using 1.4.2

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Re: CF and Java

[Mark Mandel]

Stupid question, but what JDK are you using to compile the Java code?

CF uses 1.4.x, so make sure you use a 1.4 JDK to compile the code.

If you use a 1.5+ compiler, you will run into issues.

Mark

On 4/17/07, Russ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> AFAIK, the main method is not meant to be called by any other classes... it's 
> only meant to be called when the program is directly executed.
>
> Take all the code from the main method, and put it into its own method.  Call 
> that method.  Use the main method only when testing the app directly from 
> eclipse or command line.  (you can instantiate a class of itself and then 
> call the methods of that object).
>
> Try the code I posted earlier, and see if that works from CF.  Once you get 
> that working, then put in your actual code.
>
> Once again,  even if you do get the main somehow executing, it's poor coding 
> practices and will cause you more problems in the long run.  Your code should 
> be properly structured.
>
> Russ
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Andrew Whone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 11:50 AM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: Re: CF and Java
> >
> > I tried that and it's still the same error message so presumably the array
> > is problematic but should work see:
> > http://weblogs.macromedia.com/cantrell/archives/2003/06/passing_coldfus.cf
> > m
> >
> > I put the blank constructor in the code thus:
> >
> > public class IRMark {
> >/**
> > * Generate and print the IRmark.
> > *
> > * @param args - Pass the filename of the input document
> > * @throws Exception
> > */
> >   public IRMark() {}
> >   public static void main(String args[]) throws Exception {
> >
> >   // Init the Apache XML security library
> >   Init.init();
> > ...etc
> > I am wiser but no further on.
> > Any more suggestions much appreciated.
> > A+
> >
> >
>
> 

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RE: CF and Java

[Russ]

AFAIK, the main method is not meant to be called by any other classes... it's 
only meant to be called when the program is directly executed.  

Take all the code from the main method, and put it into its own method.  Call 
that method.  Use the main method only when testing the app directly from 
eclipse or command line.  (you can instantiate a class of itself and then call 
the methods of that object).  

Try the code I posted earlier, and see if that works from CF.  Once you get 
that working, then put in your actual code.  

Once again,  even if you do get the main somehow executing, it's poor coding 
practices and will cause you more problems in the long run.  Your code should 
be properly structured. 

Russ

> -Original Message-
> From: Andrew Whone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 11:50 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: CF and Java
> 
> I tried that and it's still the same error message so presumably the array
> is problematic but should work see:
> http://weblogs.macromedia.com/cantrell/archives/2003/06/passing_coldfus.cf
> m
> 
> I put the blank constructor in the code thus:
> 
> public class IRMark {
>/**
> * Generate and print the IRmark.
> *
> * @param args - Pass the filename of the input document
> * @throws Exception
> */
>   public IRMark() {}
>   public static void main(String args[]) throws Exception {
> 
>   // Init the Apache XML security library
>   Init.init();
> ...etc
> I am wiser but no further on.
> Any more suggestions much appreciated.
> A+
> 
> 

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Re: CF and Java

[Andrew Whone]

I tried that and it's still the same error message so presumably the array is 
problematic but should work see: 
http://weblogs.macromedia.com/cantrell/archives/2003/06/passing_coldfus.cfm

I put the blank constructor in the code thus:
 
public class IRMark {
   /**
* Generate and print the IRmark.
*
* @param args - Pass the filename of the input document
* @throws Exception
*/
public IRMark() {} 
public static void main(String args[]) throws Exception {

// Init the Apache XML security library
Init.init();
...etc
I am wiser but no further on.
Any more suggestions much appreciated.
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RE: CF and Java

[Phillip Duba]

Ok, than what Mark and Dave wrote (and Russ just added) will have to be
done. Your code should like like:

In the Java class, create a blank constructor:

public IRMark() { }

Within your ColdFusion logic:




jArray = aFileName.toArray();





That should work. CF hasn't really considered the Java object an
instance until the constructor is called. HTH,

Phil

-Original Message-
From: Andrew Whone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 9:58 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CF and Java

>Andrew,
>
>My 1.2 referred to version 1.2 of the Apache XML Security Library:
>http://xml.apache.org/security/dist/java-library/old/xml-security-bin-1
_
>2_0.zip. I did have to upgrade to the 1.2.96 version of the xmlsec.jar
>file:
>http://xml.apache.org/security/dist/java-library/old/xmlsec-1.2.96.jar.
>What is the exact error you are receiving? Can you look in the CF logs
>or run debugging to capture the error message? Thanks,
>
>Phil
Phil
>From the application.log
"Error","web-4","04/16/07","15:03:39",,"The selected method main was not
found.Either there are no methods with the specified method name and
argument types, or the method main is overloaded with arguments types
that ColdFusion can't decipher reliably. If this is a Java object and
you verified that the method exists, you may need to use the javacast
function to reduce ambiguity. The specific sequence of files included or
processed is: C:\CFusionMX7\wwwroot\tradesmen\tradesman1
\CIS\CISverify1.cfm, line: 339 "
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Re: CF and Java

[Andrew Whone]

>Andrew,
>
>My 1.2 referred to version 1.2 of the Apache XML Security Library:
>http://xml.apache.org/security/dist/java-library/old/xml-security-bin-1_
>2_0.zip. I did have to upgrade to the 1.2.96 version of the xmlsec.jar
>file:
>http://xml.apache.org/security/dist/java-library/old/xmlsec-1.2.96.jar.
>What is the exact error you are receiving? Can you look in the CF logs
>or run debugging to capture the error message? Thanks,
>
>Phil
Phil
>From the application.log
"Error","web-4","04/16/07","15:03:39",,"The selected method main was not 
found.Either there are no methods with the specified method name and argument 
types, or the method main is overloaded with arguments types that ColdFusion 
can't decipher reliably. If this is a Java object and you verified that the 
method exists, you may need to use the javacast function to reduce ambiguity. 
The specific sequence of files included or processed is: 
C:\CFusionMX7\wwwroot\tradesmen\tradesman1
\CIS\CISverify1.cfm, line: 339 "
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RE: CF and Java

[Russ]

Andrew, 

If you have control of the java code (and I assume you do), I would recode it 
to have a separate constructor, and a method (or methods) that actually do 
stuff.  The constructor should be named the same as the class, and in your case 
take in a string (assuming you want to pass in a single xml file at a time).  

The java code should look something like this.  You will implement the doStuff 
method (or whatever it make sense to call it to do your actual conversion and 
return the base64 string).  

  public class IRMark {
 protected String filename;
public IRMMark (String filename)
{
this. filename =filename;
Init.init();
}
  public String doStuff()
  {
 return filename;
  }
}

In ColdFusion you would do something like this




I would start with this code (maybe commenting out the Init.init() in java for 
now, and then see if it succeeds.  Then I would start adding the code that 
actually does stuff. 

You will need to restart CF when you make code changes.  If you are going to be 
doing this a lot, I suggest getting Mark Mandel's JavaLoader.cfc.  It has 
greatly eased my Java/CF development.  

Russ
> -Original Message-
> From: Andrew Whone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 9:24 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: CF and Java
> 
> Thanks for all the help but still no joy.
> I have been compiling the class file in the classes library and not moving
> it.
> All the jars are in the class path.
> I have been calling the method using:
> 
>   
> And
> 
> 
> 
> jArray = aFileName.toArray();
> 
> 
>   
> I am using xmlsec 1.0 (I am not sure what the 1.2 refers to in Phils
> reply)
> I do have a log4j.jar in C:\CFusionMX7\lib so there is a probably a
> conflict but I don't know how to solve it.
> The error message I get is always HTTP500 The web page cannot be
> displayed.
> I received another reply in the Java forum of this site, so I tried that
> code and still get the same error.
> Any more help will begratefully received.
> A+
> 
> 

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RE: CF and Java

[Phillip Duba]

Andrew,

My 1.2 referred to version 1.2 of the Apache XML Security Library:
http://xml.apache.org/security/dist/java-library/old/xml-security-bin-1_
2_0.zip. I did have to upgrade to the 1.2.96 version of the xmlsec.jar
file:
http://xml.apache.org/security/dist/java-library/old/xmlsec-1.2.96.jar.
What is the exact error you are receiving? Can you look in the CF logs
or run debugging to capture the error message? Thanks,

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Re: CF and Java

[Andrew Whone]

Thanks for all the help but still no joy.
I have been compiling the class file in the classes library and not moving it.
All the jars are in the class path.
I have been calling the method using:

  
And



jArray = aFileName.toArray();


  
I am using xmlsec 1.0 (I am not sure what the 1.2 refers to in Phils reply)
I do have a log4j.jar in C:\CFusionMX7\lib so there is a probably a conflict 
but I don't know how to solve it.
The error message I get is always HTTP500 The web page cannot be displayed.
I received another reply in the Java forum of this site, so I tried that code 
and still get the same error.
Any more help will begratefully received.
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Re: CF and Java

[Andrew Whone]

>Dave's right on the different log4j version. What version of the
>security library are you using? I had to go back to 1.2 and
>xmlsec-1.2.96.jar to get my signature validation to work with CF's JRE,
>
>Phil
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 12:24 PM
>To: CF-Talk
>Subject: RE: CF and Java
>
>Your class doesn't appear to have an init method of its own. The fact
>that
>it's calling an init method in another class shouldn't matter, I think.
>
>CF comes with a specific version of log4j, which may be conflicting with
>yours.
>
>What exactly is the error you get?
>
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RE: CF and Java

[Phillip Duba]

Dave's right on the different log4j version. What version of the
security library are you using? I had to go back to 1.2 and
xmlsec-1.2.96.jar to get my signature validation to work with CF's JRE,

Phil

-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 12:24 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF and Java

Your class doesn't appear to have an init method of its own. The fact
that
it's calling an init method in another class shouldn't matter, I think.

CF comes with a specific version of log4j, which may be conflicting with
yours.

What exactly is the error you get?

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Re: CF and Java

[Mark Mandel]

Andrew,

Your code should be running the 'main' method that is defined in the Java code.

There is no constructor, for this class, so you code will fail.

You will need to create a String[], which is relatively easy using the
java.lang.reflect.Array Java class, and pass it into the main() method
(CF may actually do the translation for you if you use just a regular
Array, it may be worth checking).

Once you have your array, pass it in as an argument to the main()
method, and you should have what you need.

Mark

On 4/14/07, Phillip Duba <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Andrew,
>
> I ran into this same issue doing stuff with SAML. Make sure you haven't
> moved the class file after it has been compiled. In other words, once
> you compile the Java class, you can't move it around to the classes
> library or some other directory. I don't know why, but ever time I moved
> my class file, the Init.init() call would fail. Also, ensure all the
> Apache XML libraries are in your CF classpath. Finally, you don't have a
> constructor on your class so your call should be:  myObj.main("input.xml")>. HTH,
>
> Phil
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Andrew Whone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 10:53 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: CF and Java
>
> I have some java code which I want to kick in from a coldfusion page
>
> e.g. 
>   
> It ought to be simple enough, pass the file name to the class and get
> the base64 number back.
> The Coldfusion documentation states:
> "Note: The init method is not a method of the object, but a ColdFusion
> identifier that calls the new function on the class constructor. So, if
> a Java object has an init method, a name conflict exists and you cannot
> call the object's init method."
> and I suspect this is where my problem lies but my java is still basic.
> I would be very grateful if anyone could at least give me a few pointers
> to solve this problem. I have tried lots of things without any success.
>
> The Java Code:
>
> import java.io.*;
> import javax.xml.parsers.*;
> import java.security.*;
>
> import org.w3c.dom.*;
>
> import org.apache.xml.security.signature.*;
> import org.apache.xml.security.transforms.*;
> import org.apache.xml.security.Init;
>
> import org.bouncycastle.util.encoders.Base64;
>
>
> /**
>  * This code generates an IRmark value for an input document.
>  * The value is a base64 encoded SHA1 digest of a signature
>  * transform over a certain style of document. The value has
>  * to be placed inside documents to be signed by the XPE when
>  * used in a EDS/IR deployment.
>  *
>  * The code has a number of jar dependencies:-
>  *  xmlsec.jar - The Apache XML Security Library
>  *  log4j-1.2.5.jar - The Apache Log utility
>  *  xalan.jar - Apache XSLT/XPath processor
>  *  xercesImpl.jar - Apache XML processor
>  *  bc-jce-jdk13-114.jar - Bouncy Castle JCE library
>  *
>  *  The Bouncy Castle JCE provider is automatically downloaded
>  *  by the Apache XML sec library build so you may already have
>  *  that.
>  */
>
>
>public class IRMark {
>
>/**
> * Generate and print the IRmark.
> *
> * @param args - Pass the filename of the input document
> * @throws Exception
> */
> public static void main(String args[]) throws Exception {
>
> // Init the Apache XML security library
> Init.init();
>
> // Check we are given a file to work with
> if (args.length!=1) {
> System.out.println("Use: IRmark  ");
> return;
> }
>
> // Open the input file
> FileInputStream fis=null;
> try {
> fis=new FileInputStream(args[0]);
> } catch (FileNotFoundException e) {
> System.out.println("The file " + args[0] + "
> could not be opened.");
> return;
> }
>
> // Load file into a byte array
> byte[] data=null;
> try {
> int bytes=fis.available();
> data=new byte[bytes];
> fis.read(data);
> } catch (IOException e) {
> System.out.println("Error reading file.");
> e.printStackTrace();
> }
>
> // First part is to run the a transform over the input
> to extract the
> // fragment to be digested. This i

RE: CF and Java

[Phillip Duba]

Andrew,

I ran into this same issue doing stuff with SAML. Make sure you haven't
moved the class file after it has been compiled. In other words, once
you compile the Java class, you can't move it around to the classes
library or some other directory. I don't know why, but ever time I moved
my class file, the Init.init() call would fail. Also, ensure all the
Apache XML libraries are in your CF classpath. Finally, you don't have a
constructor on your class so your call should be: . HTH,

Phil

-Original Message-
From: Andrew Whone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 10:53 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: CF and Java

I have some java code which I want to kick in from a coldfusion page

e.g. 
   ");
return;
}

// Open the input file
FileInputStream fis=null;
try {
fis=new FileInputStream(args[0]);
} catch (FileNotFoundException e) {
System.out.println("The file " + args[0] + "
could not be opened.");
return;
}

// Load file into a byte array
byte[] data=null;
try {
int bytes=fis.available();
data=new byte[bytes];
fis.read(data);
} catch (IOException e) {
System.out.println("Error reading file.");
e.printStackTrace();
}

// First part is to run the a transform over the input
to extract the
// fragment to be digested. This is done by setting up a
Transforms
// object from a Template and then executing against the
input document

// The transforms to be performed are specified by using
the template XML below.
String transformStr =
"\n"
+ "\n"
+ "\n"
+ "\n"
+
"count(ancestor-or-self::node()|/gt:GovTalkMessage/gt:Body)=count(ancest
or-or-self::node())\n"
+ " and count(self::ir:IRmark)=0 \n"
+ " and count(../self::ir:IRmark)=0 \n"
+ "\n"
+ "\n"
+ "\n"
+ "\n"
;

// Parse the transform details to create a document
DocumentBuilderFactory
dbf=DocumentBuilderFactory.newInstance();
dbf.setNamespaceAware(true);
DocumentBuilder db=dbf.newDocumentBuilder();
Document doc=db.parse(new
ByteArrayInputStream(transformStr.getBytes()));

// Construct a Apache security Transforms object from
that document
Transforms transforms = new
Transforms(doc.getDocumentElement(), null);

// Now perform the transform on the input to get the
results.
XMLSignatureInput input = new XMLSignatureInput(data);
XMLSignatureInput result = transforms.performTransforms(input);

// Uncomment this line to see transform output
// System.out.println(new String(result.getBytes()));

// Second part is to run output via SHA1 digest
// This is done via the standard java.security API
MessageDigest md = MessageDigest.getInstance("SHA");
md.update(result.getBytes());
byte[] digest=md.digest();

// And finally print a Base64 of the digest with
// The help of the BouncyCastle JCE library
System.out.println("IRmark: " + new
String(Base64.encode(digest)));
   }
}
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RE: CF and Java

[Dave Watts]

> I have some java code which I want to kick in from a coldfusion page
> 
> e.g. 
>
> It ought to be simple enough, pass the file name to the class 
> and get the base64 number back.
> The Coldfusion documentation states: 
> "Note: The init method is not a method of the object, but a 
> ColdFusion identifier that calls the new function on the 
> class constructor. So, if a Java object has an init method, a 
> name conflict exists and you cannot call the object’s init method."
> and I suspect this is where my problem lies but my java is 
> still basic. I would be very grateful if anyone could at 
> least give me a few pointers to solve this problem. I have 
> tried lots of things without any success.

Your class doesn't appear to have an init method of its own. The fact that
it's calling an init method in another class shouldn't matter, I think.

CF comes with a specific version of log4j, which may be conflicting with
yours.

What exactly is the error you get?

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CF and Java

[Andrew Whone]

I have some java code which I want to kick in from a coldfusion page

e.g. 
   ");
return;
}

// Open the input file
FileInputStream fis=null;
try {
fis=new FileInputStream(args[0]);
} catch (FileNotFoundException e) {
System.out.println("The file " + args[0] + " could not 
be opened.");
return;
}

// Load file into a byte array
byte[] data=null;
try {
int bytes=fis.available();
data=new byte[bytes];
fis.read(data);
} catch (IOException e) {
System.out.println("Error reading file.");
e.printStackTrace();
}

// First part is to run the a transform over the input to 
extract the
// fragment to be digested. This is done by setting up a 
Transforms
// object from a Template and then executing against the input 
document

// The transforms to be performed are specified by using the 
template XML below.
String transformStr =
"\n"
+ "\n"
+ "\n"
+ "\n"
+ 
"count(ancestor-or-self::node()|/gt:GovTalkMessage/gt:Body)=count(ancestor-or-self::node())\n"
+ " and count(self::ir:IRmark)=0 \n"
+ " and count(../self::ir:IRmark)=0 \n"
+ "\n"
+ "\n"
+ "\n"
+ "\n"
;

// Parse the transform details to create a document
DocumentBuilderFactory dbf=DocumentBuilderFactory.newInstance();
dbf.setNamespaceAware(true);
DocumentBuilder db=dbf.newDocumentBuilder();
Document doc=db.parse(new 
ByteArrayInputStream(transformStr.getBytes()));

// Construct a Apache security Transforms object from that 
document
Transforms transforms = new 
Transforms(doc.getDocumentElement(), null);

// Now perform the transform on the input to get the results.
XMLSignatureInput input = new XMLSignatureInput(data);
XMLSignatureInput result = transforms.performTransforms(input);

// Uncomment this line to see transform output
// System.out.println(new String(result.getBytes()));

// Second part is to run output via SHA1 digest
// This is done via the standard java.security API
MessageDigest md = MessageDigest.getInstance("SHA");
md.update(result.getBytes());
byte[] digest=md.digest();

// And finally print a Base64 of the digest with
// The help of the BouncyCastle JCE library
System.out.println("IRmark: " + new 
String(Base64.encode(digest)));
   }
}
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Re: CF and Java Interfaces

[Chris Terrebonne]

Actually that's exactly what I'm using.  I had it lying around for CFEclipse, 
but it just never stuck (Homesite/CFStudio kept calling be back).  But for 
Java, it's great.  Not really a raving review considering I haven't tried any 
other Java IDE's.  At this point it does everything I need it to so it's 
perfect for me.

Thanks,
Chris

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/09/05 11:40AM >>>
While we're on the topic..

If you find yourself doing Java, the Eclipse IDE is a great platform
for it.  And there's the CFEclipse plugin that includes CF editors and
various other things, so you can do your CF work in the same
application.  And it itegrates easily with myriad version control
systems too.  Very nice package.

cheers,
barneyb

On 6/9/05, Chris Terrebonne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thanks Nathan and Barney for clearing this up for me.
> 
> I guess this was as perfect excuse as any to finally learn Java.  Man!  I was 
> surprised how simple it was.  I know C++ and I heard that the transition to 
> Java was easy, but I had no idea just how easy it was.  I should have done 
> this along time ago.  I know this is starting to drift into OT-land but... 
> it's nice to just code away without worrying about memory management.  If I 
> never malloc again... it will be too soon ;).
> 
> Thanks for the inadvertent "push", guys.
> 
> Chris


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Re: CF and Java Interfaces

[Barney Boisvert]

While we're on the topic..

If you find yourself doing Java, the Eclipse IDE is a great platform
for it.  And there's the CFEclipse plugin that includes CF editors and
various other things, so you can do your CF work in the same
application.  And it itegrates easily with myriad version control
systems too.  Very nice package.

cheers,
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On 6/9/05, Chris Terrebonne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thanks Nathan and Barney for clearing this up for me.
> 
> I guess this was as perfect excuse as any to finally learn Java.  Man!  I was 
> surprised how simple it was.  I know C++ and I heard that the transition to 
> Java was easy, but I had no idea just how easy it was.  I should have done 
> this along time ago.  I know this is starting to drift into OT-land but... 
> it's nice to just code away without worrying about memory management.  If I 
> never malloc again... it will be too soon ;).
> 
> Thanks for the inadvertent "push", guys.
> 
> Chris


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Re: CF and Java Interfaces

[Chris Terrebonne]

Thanks Nathan and Barney for clearing this up for me.  

I guess this was as perfect excuse as any to finally learn Java.  Man!  I was 
surprised how simple it was.  I know C++ and I heard that the transition to 
Java was easy, but I had no idea just how easy it was.  I should have done this 
along time ago.  I know this is starting to drift into OT-land but... it's nice 
to just code away without worrying about memory management.  If I never malloc 
again... it will be too soon ;).  

Thanks for the inadvertent "push", guys.  

Chris

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/08/05 01:26PM >>>
Perhaps there's already a java object that impliments this interface? 
Look around to see if there's anything that impliments your target 
class. Otherwise, you could make one in java and createObject() it in CF.

-nathan strutz


Chris Terrebonne wrote:
> I am trying to use CF to access a Java class method.  One of the required 
> arguments is an object extended from an interface.  Using createObject() to 
> instantiate the object, then passing it to the method as an argument causes 
> an error because the interface is abstract and must be extended.  Since 
> cfcomponent won't allow me to extend a Java interface, how can I use this 
> interface?  Any suggestions?
> 
> Thanks,
> Chris
> 
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Re: CF and Java Interfaces

[Nathan Strutz]

Perhaps there's already a java object that impliments this interface? 
Look around to see if there's anything that impliments your target 
class. Otherwise, you could make one in java and createObject() it in CF.

-nathan strutz


Chris Terrebonne wrote:
> I am trying to use CF to access a Java class method.  One of the required 
> arguments is an object extended from an interface.  Using createObject() to 
> instantiate the object, then passing it to the method as an argument causes 
> an error because the interface is abstract and must be extended.  Since 
> cfcomponent won't allow me to extend a Java interface, how can I use this 
> interface?  Any suggestions?
> 
> Thanks,
> Chris
> 
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Re: CF and Java Interfaces

[Barney Boisvert]

You can only use the interface on Java objects.  So you'll need a
concrete Java object that implements the interface.  Just instantiate
that concrete object and pass it into your method.

The type system that CF uses is entirely divorced from the type system
that Java uses.  There are a couple places of overlap (like you can
pass a CF number in as a Java Double), but that's it.

cheers,
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> I am trying to use CF to access a Java class method.  One of the required 
> arguments is an object extended from an interface.  Using createObject() to 
> instantiate the object, then passing it to the method as an argument causes 
> an error because the interface is abstract and must be extended.  Since 
> cfcomponent won't allow me to extend a Java interface, how can I use this 
> interface?  Any suggestions?
> 
> Thanks,
> Chris
> 

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CF and Java Interfaces

[Chris Terrebonne]

I am trying to use CF to access a Java class method.  One of the required 
arguments is an object extended from an interface.  Using createObject() to 
instantiate the object, then passing it to the method as an argument causes an 
error because the interface is abstract and must be extended.  Since 
cfcomponent won't allow me to extend a Java interface, how can I use this 
interface?  Any suggestions?

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RE: CF and Java integration..

[Hassan Arteaga Rodriguez]

Thanks a lot !!

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Subject: RE: CF and Java integration..

Not specific to CFMX< but have a look at http://javaalmanac.com/egs/?

Some very useful examples.

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Subject: CF and Java integration..

Hi all:

I'm looking for a Java reference in PDF or chm format about the
most
used packages and short examples. 
I'd like to start  develop some examples with CF MX 6.1 using
java
classes. Just to start !!!

*in CFLib.org it's a good example how to implement zip features
with
java.util.zip package

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Not specific to CFMX< but have a look at http://javaalmanac.com/egs/?

 
Some very useful examples.

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J2EE faster under Linux? (was: MS CF AND JAVA)

[Alex Hubner]

Hi folks, 

I'm very curious about performance issues regarding Java running under Linux versus 
Java under Windows - with 
the same hardware config and JVM version. Can we say, in terms of performance for CFMX 
(and JVM itself), that 
one plataform is better than other? I'm not sure, but I've heard people saying CFMX is 
10% faster under Linux 
here (this is not the performance comparison with CF5 under Windows).

CF developers here in Brazil don't have a consense on that. I personally believe it 
doesn't matter, Java will run 
the same way in both plataforms.

I've searched at Google do find some comparison charts or benchmarks regarding Java 
under Linux in 
comparison to java under Windows but I didn't find anything conclusive, just comments 
(most of than saying that 
Java support for Linux is poor and slow).

Does anybody know something about it? 

Some references i've found:

http://forum.java.sun.com/thread.jsp?forum=27&thread=305179
http://forum.java.sun.com/thread.jsp?forum=256&thread=41580
http://forum.java.sun.com/thread.jsp?forum=27&thread=31574
http://www.luni.org/pipermail/luni/2001-December/003112.html
http://www.internetwk.com/story/INW20020909S0003

Thanks!!
Alex

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J2EE faster under Linux? (was: MS CF AND JAVA)

[Alex Hubner]

Hi folks, 

I'm very curious about performance issues regarding Java running under
Linux versus Java under Windows - with the same hardware config and JVM
version. Can we say, in terms of performance for CFMX (and JVM itself),
that one plataform is better than other? I'm not sure, but I've heard
people saying CFMX is 10% faster under Linux here (this is not the
performance comparison with CF5 under Windows).

CF developers here in Brazil don't have a consense on that. I personally
believe it doesn't matter, Java will run the same way in both
plataforms.

I've searched at Google do find some comparison charts or benchmarks
regarding Java under Linux in comparison to java under Windows but I
didn't find anything conclusive, just comments (most of than saying that
Java support for Linux is poor and slow).

Does anybody know something about it? 

Some references i've found:

http://www.luni.org/pipermail/luni/2001-December/003112.html
http://www.internetwk.com/story/INW20020909S0003
http://forum.java.sun.com/thread.jsp?forum=27&thread=305179
http://forum.java.sun.com/thread.jsp?forum=256&thread=41580
http://forum.java.sun.com/thread.jsp?forum=27&thread=31574

Thanks!!
Alex

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Re: RE: MS CF AND JAVA

[ksuh]

Ok, you're not confused, I am :)

- Original Message -
From: Craig Dudley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Friday, November 29, 2002 8:46 am
Subject: RE: MS CF AND JAVA

> That's pretty much what I said, so how am I confused?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Kwang Suh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: 29 November 2002 14:58
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: MS CF AND JAVA
> 
> You guys are all seriously confused.
> 
> All MS is doing is *not* including an implementation of Java with 
> theirXP
> OS.  So what?  Download the Java Runtime Environment from Sun and
> install
> it.  There, you have a full implementation of Java.
> 
> It is up to *Sun* to support any Microsoft OSs with Java, not MS.
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: John McCosker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 5:11 AM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: RE: MS CF AND JAVA
> >
> >
> > Thanks Craig,
> > //however you do use java classes rather than VB dll's,
> > yea been thinking about that, the VB implementation started
> > at the beginning of the year with CF 5.0 but since using
> > CFMX and espeacially reading the documentation its java, java, java.
> > Certainly from what I,ve read java and XML seems to be the dogs
> bollocks,
> > although I don't know too much about java and com, I suppose thats
> where
> > JEB comes in.
> >
> > So 2 years down the line and nothing changes with regards to MS and
> SUN
> > (which is highly unlikly as you say)
> > working with java2 (or eventually higher) leaves you incompatible
> > to plug in
> >
> > to MS if they are only supporting up to 1.2.
> >
> > Yip it is confusing, but damn interesting at the same time I think.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Craig Dudley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: 29 November 2002 11:24
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: RE: MS CF AND JAVA
> >
> >
> > Hi John,
> >
> > Under a court settlement with SUN, MS can't use java2 technology 
> (1.3> and above + I think) in their own VM, as far as I recollect, 
> MS dumped
> > supporting java directly in their OS's shortly after, although 
> you can
> > still get a MS VM if you want, I believe it's akin to Sun's jre 1.2
> > (java1, baffling isn't it?).
> >
> > I wouldn't worry about being able to run java on a windows 
> platform in
> > the future, MS wouldn't shoot itself in the foot by deliberately
> messing
> > up java in windows any further, they would lose an awful lot of 
> server> customers. And I can't see sun and others stopping 
> production of their
> > own windows vm's.
> >
> > If, however you do use java classes rather than VB dll's, then your
> > sites should be much more portable, and if you decide to move to 
> unix/
> > linux, it should be trivial matter. I would have thought that java
> > classes will be much faster at certain things too.
> >
> > As far as MSMQ goes, no idea ;-)
> >
> > Craig.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: John McCosker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: 29 November 2002 10:48
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: MS CF AND JAVA
> >
> > Hey,
> >
> > do any of you guys know exactly what is going on right now with
> > Microsoft
> > and SUN.
> > I heard microsoft will completely stop supporting SUN Java after 
> 2004,> as
> > they are
> > developing their own VM not compatible with SUN's.
> >
> > Now maybe some might think this is a question for Community, but I
> want
> > to
> > get CFTalks
> > point of view here.
> >
> > We are currently making the transition to OO with CFMX (which I know
> is
> > not
> > true OO),
> > but more importantly java. I'm not not worried or afraid of change,
> but
> > it
> > would be
> > nice to know if we are going to have to make a move to Linux for Web
> > technologies in
> > the future if we currently want to work with these tools and take
> > ourselves
> > forward with them.
> >
> > Which leads me to another question which is on another note, I've
> > started
> > developing a while back
> > in VB COM+ dll's so I could speed up certain tasks where CF is
> sluggish,
> > my
> > question is I'm
> > slightly confused about the main purpose of Microsoft Message 
> Queing,> what I
> > do understand is that
> > it allows two or more machines work together out of sinc, but 
> can it
> be
> > used
> > as a threading mechanism
> > for COM compoents on a server only. From what I have seen MSMQ 
> assignsa
> > queing mechanism to both the client
> > app and server app, so where does it fit in with HTTP where the 
> client> will
> > not have a designated que.
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> >
> > J
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> 
> 
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Re: MS CF AND JAVA

[Christian Cantrell]

Kwang is correct regarding Sun's ability to provide a JVM.  As long as 
Sun maintains JVMs for Windows, it will always be possible to run Java 
on Windows.  The problem is that Microsoft stopped distributing a JVM 
with Windows XP, which means users have to download and install a third 
party JVM (like Sun's).  There are a lot of users who either would not 
know to do this, or would not bother, but as a developer, you are likely 
to have that option for a long long time to come.

BTW, there was a recent court ruling requiring Microsoft to start 
distributing a JVM with XP.  Whether they do it or not remains to be seen.

Cantrell

Kwang Suh wrote:
> You guys are all seriously confused.
> 
> All MS is doing is *not* including an implementation of Java with their XP
> OS.  So what?  Download the Java Runtime Environment from Sun and install
> it.  There, you have a full implementation of Java.
> 
> It is up to *Sun* to support any Microsoft OSs with Java, not MS.
> 
> 
>>-Original Message-
>>From: John McCosker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 5:11 AM
>>To: CF-Talk
>>Subject: RE: MS CF AND JAVA
>>
>>
>>Thanks Craig,
>>//however you do use java classes rather than VB dll's,
>>yea been thinking about that, the VB implementation started
>>at the beginning of the year with CF 5.0 but since using
>>CFMX and espeacially reading the documentation its java, java, java.
>>Certainly from what I,ve read java and XML seems to be the dogs bollocks,
>>although I don't know too much about java and com, I suppose thats where
>>JEB comes in.
>>
>>So 2 years down the line and nothing changes with regards to MS and SUN
>>(which is highly unlikly as you say)
>>working with java2 (or eventually higher) leaves you incompatible
>>to plug in
>>
>>to MS if they are only supporting up to 1.2.
>>
>>Yip it is confusing, but damn interesting at the same time I think.
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: Craig Dudley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>Sent: 29 November 2002 11:24
>>To: CF-Talk
>>Subject: RE: MS CF AND JAVA
>>
>>
>>Hi John,
>>
>>Under a court settlement with SUN, MS can't use java2 technology (1.3
>>and above + I think) in their own VM, as far as I recollect, MS dumped
>>supporting java directly in their OS's shortly after, although you can
>>still get a MS VM if you want, I believe it's akin to Sun's jre 1.2
>>(java1, baffling isn't it?).
>>
>>I wouldn't worry about being able to run java on a windows platform in
>>the future, MS wouldn't shoot itself in the foot by deliberately messing
>>up java in windows any further, they would lose an awful lot of server
>>customers. And I can't see sun and others stopping production of their
>>own windows vm's.
>>
>>If, however you do use java classes rather than VB dll's, then your
>>sites should be much more portable, and if you decide to move to unix /
>>linux, it should be trivial matter. I would have thought that java
>>classes will be much faster at certain things too.
>>
>>As far as MSMQ goes, no idea ;-)
>>
>>Craig.
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: John McCosker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>Sent: 29 November 2002 10:48
>>To: CF-Talk
>>Subject: MS CF AND JAVA
>>
>>Hey,
>>
>>do any of you guys know exactly what is going on right now with
>>Microsoft
>>and SUN.
>>I heard microsoft will completely stop supporting SUN Java after 2004,
>>as
>>they are
>>developing their own VM not compatible with SUN's.
>>
>>Now maybe some might think this is a question for Community, but I want
>>to
>>get CFTalks
>>point of view here.
>>
>>We are currently making the transition to OO with CFMX (which I know is
>>not
>>true OO),
>>but more importantly java. I'm not not worried or afraid of change, but
>>it
>>would be
>>nice to know if we are going to have to make a move to Linux for Web
>>technologies in
>>the future if we currently want to work with these tools and take
>>ourselves
>>forward with them.
>>
>>Which leads me to another question which is on another note, I've
>>started
>>developing a while back
>>in VB COM+ dll's so I could speed up certain tasks where CF is sluggish,
>>my
>>question is I'm
>>slightly confused about the main purpose of Microsoft Message Queing,
>>what I
>>do understand is that
>>it allows two or more machines work together out 

RE: MS CF AND JAVA

[Craig Dudley]

That's pretty much what I said, so how am I confused?

-Original Message-
From: Kwang Suh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: 29 November 2002 14:58
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: MS CF AND JAVA

You guys are all seriously confused.

All MS is doing is *not* including an implementation of Java with their
XP
OS.  So what?  Download the Java Runtime Environment from Sun and
install
it.  There, you have a full implementation of Java.

It is up to *Sun* to support any Microsoft OSs with Java, not MS.

> -Original Message-
> From: John McCosker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 5:11 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: MS CF AND JAVA
>
>
> Thanks Craig,
> //however you do use java classes rather than VB dll's,
> yea been thinking about that, the VB implementation started
> at the beginning of the year with CF 5.0 but since using
> CFMX and espeacially reading the documentation its java, java, java.
> Certainly from what I,ve read java and XML seems to be the dogs
bollocks,
> although I don't know too much about java and com, I suppose thats
where
> JEB comes in.
>
> So 2 years down the line and nothing changes with regards to MS and
SUN
> (which is highly unlikly as you say)
> working with java2 (or eventually higher) leaves you incompatible
> to plug in
>
> to MS if they are only supporting up to 1.2.
>
> Yip it is confusing, but damn interesting at the same time I think.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Craig Dudley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 29 November 2002 11:24
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: MS CF AND JAVA
>
>
> Hi John,
>
> Under a court settlement with SUN, MS can't use java2 technology (1.3
> and above + I think) in their own VM, as far as I recollect, MS dumped
> supporting java directly in their OS's shortly after, although you can
> still get a MS VM if you want, I believe it's akin to Sun's jre 1.2
> (java1, baffling isn't it?).
>
> I wouldn't worry about being able to run java on a windows platform in
> the future, MS wouldn't shoot itself in the foot by deliberately
messing
> up java in windows any further, they would lose an awful lot of server
> customers. And I can't see sun and others stopping production of their
> own windows vm's.
>
> If, however you do use java classes rather than VB dll's, then your
> sites should be much more portable, and if you decide to move to unix
/
> linux, it should be trivial matter. I would have thought that java
> classes will be much faster at certain things too.
>
> As far as MSMQ goes, no idea ;-)
>
> Craig.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: John McCosker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 29 November 2002 10:48
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: MS CF AND JAVA
>
> Hey,
>
> do any of you guys know exactly what is going on right now with
> Microsoft
> and SUN.
> I heard microsoft will completely stop supporting SUN Java after 2004,
> as
> they are
> developing their own VM not compatible with SUN's.
>
> Now maybe some might think this is a question for Community, but I
want
> to
> get CFTalks
> point of view here.
>
> We are currently making the transition to OO with CFMX (which I know
is
> not
> true OO),
> but more importantly java. I'm not not worried or afraid of change,
but
> it
> would be
> nice to know if we are going to have to make a move to Linux for Web
> technologies in
> the future if we currently want to work with these tools and take
> ourselves
> forward with them.
>
> Which leads me to another question which is on another note, I've
> started
> developing a while back
> in VB COM+ dll's so I could speed up certain tasks where CF is
sluggish,
> my
> question is I'm
> slightly confused about the main purpose of Microsoft Message Queing,
> what I
> do understand is that
> it allows two or more machines work together out of sinc, but can it
be
> used
> as a threading mechanism
> for COM compoents on a server only. From what I have seen MSMQ assigns
a
> queing mechanism to both the client
> app and server app, so where does it fit in with HTTP where the client
> will
> not have a designated que.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> J
>
>
>
> 

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RE: MS CF AND JAVA

[John McCosker]

//MS is doing is including an implementation of Java with their XP OS
Thats right,
XP is supporting the implementation of Java,
my query was after 2004 all MS OS will not, due to a leagal battle with SUN
and MS,
which resulted in MS telling lies, lies, lies...

Anyway, I'm just going to use my better judgement and steer towards the
gorilla.

-Original Message-
From: Kwang Suh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 29 November 2002 14:58
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: MS CF AND JAVA


You guys are all seriously confused.

All MS is doing is *not* including an implementation of Java with their XP
OS.  So what?  Download the Java Runtime Environment from Sun and install
it.  There, you have a full implementation of Java.

It is up to *Sun* to support any Microsoft OSs with Java, not MS.

> -Original Message-
> From: John McCosker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 5:11 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: MS CF AND JAVA
>
>
> Thanks Craig,
> //however you do use java classes rather than VB dll's,
> yea been thinking about that, the VB implementation started
> at the beginning of the year with CF 5.0 but since using
> CFMX and espeacially reading the documentation its java, java, java.
> Certainly from what I,ve read java and XML seems to be the dogs bollocks,
> although I don't know too much about java and com, I suppose thats where
> JEB comes in.
>
> So 2 years down the line and nothing changes with regards to MS and SUN
> (which is highly unlikly as you say)
> working with java2 (or eventually higher) leaves you incompatible
> to plug in
>
> to MS if they are only supporting up to 1.2.
>
> Yip it is confusing, but damn interesting at the same time I think.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Craig Dudley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 29 November 2002 11:24
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: MS CF AND JAVA
>
>
> Hi John,
>
> Under a court settlement with SUN, MS can't use java2 technology (1.3
> and above + I think) in their own VM, as far as I recollect, MS dumped
> supporting java directly in their OS's shortly after, although you can
> still get a MS VM if you want, I believe it's akin to Sun's jre 1.2
> (java1, baffling isn't it?).
>
> I wouldn't worry about being able to run java on a windows platform in
> the future, MS wouldn't shoot itself in the foot by deliberately messing
> up java in windows any further, they would lose an awful lot of server
> customers. And I can't see sun and others stopping production of their
> own windows vm's.
>
> If, however you do use java classes rather than VB dll's, then your
> sites should be much more portable, and if you decide to move to unix /
> linux, it should be trivial matter. I would have thought that java
> classes will be much faster at certain things too.
>
> As far as MSMQ goes, no idea ;-)
>
> Craig.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: John McCosker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 29 November 2002 10:48
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: MS CF AND JAVA
>
> Hey,
>
> do any of you guys know exactly what is going on right now with
> Microsoft
> and SUN.
> I heard microsoft will completely stop supporting SUN Java after 2004,
> as
> they are
> developing their own VM not compatible with SUN's.
>
> Now maybe some might think this is a question for Community, but I want
> to
> get CFTalks
> point of view here.
>
> We are currently making the transition to OO with CFMX (which I know is
> not
> true OO),
> but more importantly java. I'm not not worried or afraid of change, but
> it
> would be
> nice to know if we are going to have to make a move to Linux for Web
> technologies in
> the future if we currently want to work with these tools and take
> ourselves
> forward with them.
>
> Which leads me to another question which is on another note, I've
> started
> developing a while back
> in VB COM+ dll's so I could speed up certain tasks where CF is sluggish,
> my
> question is I'm
> slightly confused about the main purpose of Microsoft Message Queing,
> what I
> do understand is that
> it allows two or more machines work together out of sinc, but can it be
> used
> as a threading mechanism
> for COM compoents on a server only. From what I have seen MSMQ assigns a
> queing mechanism to both the client
> app and server app, so where does it fit in with HTTP where the client
> will
> not have a designated que.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> J
>
>
>
> 

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RE: MS CF AND JAVA

[Kwang Suh]

You guys are all seriously confused.

All MS is doing is *not* including an implementation of Java with their XP
OS.  So what?  Download the Java Runtime Environment from Sun and install
it.  There, you have a full implementation of Java.

It is up to *Sun* to support any Microsoft OSs with Java, not MS.

> -Original Message-
> From: John McCosker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 5:11 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: MS CF AND JAVA
>
>
> Thanks Craig,
> //however you do use java classes rather than VB dll's,
> yea been thinking about that, the VB implementation started
> at the beginning of the year with CF 5.0 but since using
> CFMX and espeacially reading the documentation its java, java, java.
> Certainly from what I,ve read java and XML seems to be the dogs bollocks,
> although I don't know too much about java and com, I suppose thats where
> JEB comes in.
>
> So 2 years down the line and nothing changes with regards to MS and SUN
> (which is highly unlikly as you say)
> working with java2 (or eventually higher) leaves you incompatible
> to plug in
>
> to MS if they are only supporting up to 1.2.
>
> Yip it is confusing, but damn interesting at the same time I think.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Craig Dudley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 29 November 2002 11:24
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: MS CF AND JAVA
>
>
> Hi John,
>
> Under a court settlement with SUN, MS can't use java2 technology (1.3
> and above + I think) in their own VM, as far as I recollect, MS dumped
> supporting java directly in their OS's shortly after, although you can
> still get a MS VM if you want, I believe it's akin to Sun's jre 1.2
> (java1, baffling isn't it?).
>
> I wouldn't worry about being able to run java on a windows platform in
> the future, MS wouldn't shoot itself in the foot by deliberately messing
> up java in windows any further, they would lose an awful lot of server
> customers. And I can't see sun and others stopping production of their
> own windows vm's.
>
> If, however you do use java classes rather than VB dll's, then your
> sites should be much more portable, and if you decide to move to unix /
> linux, it should be trivial matter. I would have thought that java
> classes will be much faster at certain things too.
>
> As far as MSMQ goes, no idea ;-)
>
> Craig.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: John McCosker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 29 November 2002 10:48
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: MS CF AND JAVA
>
> Hey,
>
> do any of you guys know exactly what is going on right now with
> Microsoft
> and SUN.
> I heard microsoft will completely stop supporting SUN Java after 2004,
> as
> they are
> developing their own VM not compatible with SUN's.
>
> Now maybe some might think this is a question for Community, but I want
> to
> get CFTalks
> point of view here.
>
> We are currently making the transition to OO with CFMX (which I know is
> not
> true OO),
> but more importantly java. I'm not not worried or afraid of change, but
> it
> would be
> nice to know if we are going to have to make a move to Linux for Web
> technologies in
> the future if we currently want to work with these tools and take
> ourselves
> forward with them.
>
> Which leads me to another question which is on another note, I've
> started
> developing a while back
> in VB COM+ dll's so I could speed up certain tasks where CF is sluggish,
> my
> question is I'm
> slightly confused about the main purpose of Microsoft Message Queing,
> what I
> do understand is that
> it allows two or more machines work together out of sinc, but can it be
> used
> as a threading mechanism
> for COM compoents on a server only. From what I have seen MSMQ assigns a
> queing mechanism to both the client
> app and server app, so where does it fit in with HTTP where the client
> will
> not have a designated que.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> J
>
>
>
> 
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RE: MS CF AND JAVA

[Craig Dudley]

Lol, yes it is to me.

-Original Message-
From: John McCosker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: 29 November 2002 12:41
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: MS CF AND JAVA

//I've been trying to
//learn java for a few months on and off, some days I feel I'm actually
//starting to get there, others I feel like I'm nowhere near.

So Java is like golf,
damn and I hate golf,

Pleasure craig.

-Original Message-
From: Craig Dudley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 29 November 2002 12:28
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: MS CF AND JAVA


Nah, it won't leave you with any incompatibilities, simply download and
install sun's jre's, don't even consider using an MS VM and you can't
really go wrong.

As far as COM goes, you can do pretty much anything that you can do with
com with java; either JNI (Java Native Interface) or EJB (Enterprise
Java Beans) should cover most things.

Panic not, there won't be any major issues running cfmx and or java on a
windows based servers in the near future.

As far as version numbers go, the jre's are number differently to actual
java. Up to jre 1.2 was just called Java, now 1.3 and above, Sun calls
Java2. I may have those jre numbers wrong, but you get the picture.

However, java is an entirely different animal to cf, converting across
to 00 programming is 99% of the problem, it's a completely different
thought process, the syntax is pretty simple tbh. I've been trying to
learn java for a few months on and off, some days I feel I'm actually
starting to get there, others I feel like I'm nowhere near.

Anyway, have fun, java is certainly cool.

Craig.

-Original Message-
From: John McCosker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: 29 November 2002 12:11
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: MS CF AND JAVA

Thanks Craig,
//however you do use java classes rather than VB dll's,
yea been thinking about that, the VB implementation started
at the beginning of the year with CF 5.0 but since using
CFMX and espeacially reading the documentation its java, java, java.
Certainly from what I,ve read java and XML seems to be the dogs
bollocks,
although I don't know too much about java and com, I suppose thats where
JEB comes in.

So 2 years down the line and nothing changes with regards to MS and SUN
(which is highly unlikly as you say) 
working with java2 (or eventually higher) leaves you incompatible to
plug in

to MS if they are only supporting up to 1.2.

Yip it is confusing, but damn interesting at the same time I think.

-Original Message-
From: Craig Dudley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 29 November 2002 11:24
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: MS CF AND JAVA


Hi John,

Under a court settlement with SUN, MS can't use java2 technology (1.3
and above + I think) in their own VM, as far as I recollect, MS dumped
supporting java directly in their OS's shortly after, although you can
still get a MS VM if you want, I believe it's akin to Sun's jre 1.2
(java1, baffling isn't it?).

I wouldn't worry about being able to run java on a windows platform in
the future, MS wouldn't shoot itself in the foot by deliberately messing
up java in windows any further, they would lose an awful lot of server
customers. And I can't see sun and others stopping production of their
own windows vm's.

If, however you do use java classes rather than VB dll's, then your
sites should be much more portable, and if you decide to move to unix /
linux, it should be trivial matter. I would have thought that java
classes will be much faster at certain things too.

As far as MSMQ goes, no idea ;-)

Craig.

-----Original Message-
From: John McCosker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: 29 November 2002 10:48
To: CF-Talk
Subject: MS CF AND JAVA

Hey,

do any of you guys know exactly what is going on right now with
Microsoft
and SUN.
I heard microsoft will completely stop supporting SUN Java after 2004,
as
they are 
developing their own VM not compatible with SUN's.

Now maybe some might think this is a question for Community, but I want
to
get CFTalks
point of view here.

We are currently making the transition to OO with CFMX (which I know is
not
true OO),
but more importantly java. I'm not not worried or afraid of change, but
it
would be 
nice to know if we are going to have to make a move to Linux for Web
technologies in 
the future if we currently want to work with these tools and take
ourselves
forward with them.

Which leads me to another question which is on another note, I've
started
developing a while back
in VB COM+ dll's so I could speed up certain tasks where CF is sluggish,
my
question is I'm
slightly confused about the main purpose of Microsoft Message Queing,
what I
do understand is that
it allows two or more machines work together out of sinc, but can it be
used
as a threading mechanism
for COM compoents on a server only. From what I have seen MSMQ assigns a
queing

RE: MS CF AND JAVA

[John McCosker]

//I've been trying to
//learn java for a few months on and off, some days I feel I'm actually
//starting to get there, others I feel like I'm nowhere near.

So Java is like golf,
damn and I hate golf,

Pleasure craig.

-Original Message-
From: Craig Dudley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 29 November 2002 12:28
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: MS CF AND JAVA


Nah, it won't leave you with any incompatibilities, simply download and
install sun's jre's, don't even consider using an MS VM and you can't
really go wrong.

As far as COM goes, you can do pretty much anything that you can do with
com with java; either JNI (Java Native Interface) or EJB (Enterprise
Java Beans) should cover most things.

Panic not, there won't be any major issues running cfmx and or java on a
windows based servers in the near future.

As far as version numbers go, the jre's are number differently to actual
java. Up to jre 1.2 was just called Java, now 1.3 and above, Sun calls
Java2. I may have those jre numbers wrong, but you get the picture.

However, java is an entirely different animal to cf, converting across
to 00 programming is 99% of the problem, it's a completely different
thought process, the syntax is pretty simple tbh. I've been trying to
learn java for a few months on and off, some days I feel I'm actually
starting to get there, others I feel like I'm nowhere near.

Anyway, have fun, java is certainly cool.

Craig.

-Original Message-
From: John McCosker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: 29 November 2002 12:11
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: MS CF AND JAVA

Thanks Craig,
//however you do use java classes rather than VB dll's,
yea been thinking about that, the VB implementation started
at the beginning of the year with CF 5.0 but since using
CFMX and espeacially reading the documentation its java, java, java.
Certainly from what I,ve read java and XML seems to be the dogs
bollocks,
although I don't know too much about java and com, I suppose thats where
JEB comes in.

So 2 years down the line and nothing changes with regards to MS and SUN
(which is highly unlikly as you say) 
working with java2 (or eventually higher) leaves you incompatible to
plug in

to MS if they are only supporting up to 1.2.

Yip it is confusing, but damn interesting at the same time I think.

-Original Message-
From: Craig Dudley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 29 November 2002 11:24
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: MS CF AND JAVA


Hi John,

Under a court settlement with SUN, MS can't use java2 technology (1.3
and above + I think) in their own VM, as far as I recollect, MS dumped
supporting java directly in their OS's shortly after, although you can
still get a MS VM if you want, I believe it's akin to Sun's jre 1.2
(java1, baffling isn't it?).

I wouldn't worry about being able to run java on a windows platform in
the future, MS wouldn't shoot itself in the foot by deliberately messing
up java in windows any further, they would lose an awful lot of server
customers. And I can't see sun and others stopping production of their
own windows vm's.

If, however you do use java classes rather than VB dll's, then your
sites should be much more portable, and if you decide to move to unix /
linux, it should be trivial matter. I would have thought that java
classes will be much faster at certain things too.

As far as MSMQ goes, no idea ;-)

Craig.

-----Original Message-
From: John McCosker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: 29 November 2002 10:48
To: CF-Talk
Subject: MS CF AND JAVA

Hey,

do any of you guys know exactly what is going on right now with
Microsoft
and SUN.
I heard microsoft will completely stop supporting SUN Java after 2004,
as
they are 
developing their own VM not compatible with SUN's.

Now maybe some might think this is a question for Community, but I want
to
get CFTalks
point of view here.

We are currently making the transition to OO with CFMX (which I know is
not
true OO),
but more importantly java. I'm not not worried or afraid of change, but
it
would be 
nice to know if we are going to have to make a move to Linux for Web
technologies in 
the future if we currently want to work with these tools and take
ourselves
forward with them.

Which leads me to another question which is on another note, I've
started
developing a while back
in VB COM+ dll's so I could speed up certain tasks where CF is sluggish,
my
question is I'm
slightly confused about the main purpose of Microsoft Message Queing,
what I
do understand is that
it allows two or more machines work together out of sinc, but can it be
used
as a threading mechanism
for COM compoents on a server only. From what I have seen MSMQ assigns a
queing mechanism to both the client
app and server app, so where does it fit in with HTTP where the client
will
not have a designated que.

Thanks in advance,

J





~~~

RE: MS CF AND JAVA

[webguy]

Its SUN or IBM etc who creates the JVM for wintel platforms. So the JVM is
sitting on top of the WIn32 platform. The only way MS can break it, would be
to break the Win32 API, which would break any other programs using that API
(e.g. most programs)

Theoretically MS chould phase out the Win32 API, get all the developers to
use the .NET framework (with it's common runtime) then shift the API under
it... breaking anything that runs directly on the api. So the JVM would have
to run on the CLI that runs on microsofts secret API...which obviously would
be an advantage to MS. Conspiracy Theory 101


WG

> -Original Message-
> From: John McCosker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 29 November 2002 12:11
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: MS CF AND JAVA
>
>
> Thanks Craig,
> //however you do use java classes rather than VB dll's,
> yea been thinking about that, the VB implementation started
> at the beginning of the year with CF 5.0 but since using
> CFMX and espeacially reading the documentation its java, java, java.
> Certainly from what I,ve read java and XML seems to be the dogs bollocks,
> although I don't know too much about java and com, I suppose thats where
> JEB comes in.
>
> So 2 years down the line and nothing changes with regards to MS and SUN
> (which is highly unlikly as you say)
> working with java2 (or eventually higher) leaves you incompatible
> to plug in
>
> to MS if they are only supporting up to 1.2.
>
> Yip it is confusing, but damn interesting at the same time I think.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Craig Dudley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 29 November 2002 11:24
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: MS CF AND JAVA
>
>
> Hi John,
>
> Under a court settlement with SUN, MS can't use java2 technology (1.3
> and above + I think) in their own VM, as far as I recollect, MS dumped
> supporting java directly in their OS's shortly after, although you can
> still get a MS VM if you want, I believe it's akin to Sun's jre 1.2
> (java1, baffling isn't it?).
>
> I wouldn't worry about being able to run java on a windows platform in
> the future, MS wouldn't shoot itself in the foot by deliberately messing
> up java in windows any further, they would lose an awful lot of server
> customers. And I can't see sun and others stopping production of their
> own windows vm's.
>
> If, however you do use java classes rather than VB dll's, then your
> sites should be much more portable, and if you decide to move to unix /
> linux, it should be trivial matter. I would have thought that java
> classes will be much faster at certain things too.
>
> As far as MSMQ goes, no idea ;-)
>
> Craig.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: John McCosker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 29 November 2002 10:48
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: MS CF AND JAVA
>
> Hey,
>
> do any of you guys know exactly what is going on right now with
> Microsoft
> and SUN.
> I heard microsoft will completely stop supporting SUN Java after 2004,
> as
> they are
> developing their own VM not compatible with SUN's.
>
> Now maybe some might think this is a question for Community, but I want
> to
> get CFTalks
> point of view here.
>
> We are currently making the transition to OO with CFMX (which I know is
> not
> true OO),
> but more importantly java. I'm not not worried or afraid of change, but
> it
> would be
> nice to know if we are going to have to make a move to Linux for Web
> technologies in
> the future if we currently want to work with these tools and take
> ourselves
> forward with them.
>
> Which leads me to another question which is on another note, I've
> started
> developing a while back
> in VB COM+ dll's so I could speed up certain tasks where CF is sluggish,
> my
> question is I'm
> slightly confused about the main purpose of Microsoft Message Queing,
> what I
> do understand is that
> it allows two or more machines work together out of sinc, but can it be
> used
> as a threading mechanism
> for COM compoents on a server only. From what I have seen MSMQ assigns a
> queing mechanism to both the client
> app and server app, so where does it fit in with HTTP where the client
> will
> not have a designated que.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> J
>
>
>
> 
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RE: MS CF AND JAVA

[Craig Dudley]

Nah, it won't leave you with any incompatibilities, simply download and
install sun's jre's, don't even consider using an MS VM and you can't
really go wrong.

As far as COM goes, you can do pretty much anything that you can do with
com with java; either JNI (Java Native Interface) or EJB (Enterprise
Java Beans) should cover most things.

Panic not, there won't be any major issues running cfmx and or java on a
windows based servers in the near future.

As far as version numbers go, the jre's are number differently to actual
java. Up to jre 1.2 was just called Java, now 1.3 and above, Sun calls
Java2. I may have those jre numbers wrong, but you get the picture.

However, java is an entirely different animal to cf, converting across
to 00 programming is 99% of the problem, it's a completely different
thought process, the syntax is pretty simple tbh. I've been trying to
learn java for a few months on and off, some days I feel I'm actually
starting to get there, others I feel like I'm nowhere near.

Anyway, have fun, java is certainly cool.

Craig.

-Original Message-
From: John McCosker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: 29 November 2002 12:11
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: MS CF AND JAVA

Thanks Craig,
//however you do use java classes rather than VB dll's,
yea been thinking about that, the VB implementation started
at the beginning of the year with CF 5.0 but since using
CFMX and espeacially reading the documentation its java, java, java.
Certainly from what I,ve read java and XML seems to be the dogs
bollocks,
although I don't know too much about java and com, I suppose thats where
JEB comes in.

So 2 years down the line and nothing changes with regards to MS and SUN
(which is highly unlikly as you say) 
working with java2 (or eventually higher) leaves you incompatible to
plug in

to MS if they are only supporting up to 1.2.

Yip it is confusing, but damn interesting at the same time I think.

-Original Message-
From: Craig Dudley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 29 November 2002 11:24
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: MS CF AND JAVA


Hi John,

Under a court settlement with SUN, MS can't use java2 technology (1.3
and above + I think) in their own VM, as far as I recollect, MS dumped
supporting java directly in their OS's shortly after, although you can
still get a MS VM if you want, I believe it's akin to Sun's jre 1.2
(java1, baffling isn't it?).

I wouldn't worry about being able to run java on a windows platform in
the future, MS wouldn't shoot itself in the foot by deliberately messing
up java in windows any further, they would lose an awful lot of server
customers. And I can't see sun and others stopping production of their
own windows vm's.

If, however you do use java classes rather than VB dll's, then your
sites should be much more portable, and if you decide to move to unix /
linux, it should be trivial matter. I would have thought that java
classes will be much faster at certain things too.

As far as MSMQ goes, no idea ;-)

Craig.

-Original Message-----
From: John McCosker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: 29 November 2002 10:48
To: CF-Talk
Subject: MS CF AND JAVA

Hey,

do any of you guys know exactly what is going on right now with
Microsoft
and SUN.
I heard microsoft will completely stop supporting SUN Java after 2004,
as
they are 
developing their own VM not compatible with SUN's.

Now maybe some might think this is a question for Community, but I want
to
get CFTalks
point of view here.

We are currently making the transition to OO with CFMX (which I know is
not
true OO),
but more importantly java. I'm not not worried or afraid of change, but
it
would be 
nice to know if we are going to have to make a move to Linux for Web
technologies in 
the future if we currently want to work with these tools and take
ourselves
forward with them.

Which leads me to another question which is on another note, I've
started
developing a while back
in VB COM+ dll's so I could speed up certain tasks where CF is sluggish,
my
question is I'm
slightly confused about the main purpose of Microsoft Message Queing,
what I
do understand is that
it allows two or more machines work together out of sinc, but can it be
used
as a threading mechanism
for COM compoents on a server only. From what I have seen MSMQ assigns a
queing mechanism to both the client
app and server app, so where does it fit in with HTTP where the client
will
not have a designated que.

Thanks in advance,

J




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RE: MS CF AND JAVA

[John McCosker]

Thanks Craig,
//however you do use java classes rather than VB dll's,
yea been thinking about that, the VB implementation started
at the beginning of the year with CF 5.0 but since using
CFMX and espeacially reading the documentation its java, java, java.
Certainly from what I,ve read java and XML seems to be the dogs bollocks,
although I don't know too much about java and com, I suppose thats where
JEB comes in.

So 2 years down the line and nothing changes with regards to MS and SUN
(which is highly unlikly as you say) 
working with java2 (or eventually higher) leaves you incompatible to plug in

to MS if they are only supporting up to 1.2.

Yip it is confusing, but damn interesting at the same time I think.

-Original Message-
From: Craig Dudley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 29 November 2002 11:24
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: MS CF AND JAVA


Hi John,

Under a court settlement with SUN, MS can't use java2 technology (1.3
and above + I think) in their own VM, as far as I recollect, MS dumped
supporting java directly in their OS's shortly after, although you can
still get a MS VM if you want, I believe it's akin to Sun's jre 1.2
(java1, baffling isn't it?).

I wouldn't worry about being able to run java on a windows platform in
the future, MS wouldn't shoot itself in the foot by deliberately messing
up java in windows any further, they would lose an awful lot of server
customers. And I can't see sun and others stopping production of their
own windows vm's.

If, however you do use java classes rather than VB dll's, then your
sites should be much more portable, and if you decide to move to unix /
linux, it should be trivial matter. I would have thought that java
classes will be much faster at certain things too.

As far as MSMQ goes, no idea ;-)

Craig.

-Original Message-
From: John McCosker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: 29 November 2002 10:48
To: CF-Talk
Subject: MS CF AND JAVA

Hey,

do any of you guys know exactly what is going on right now with
Microsoft
and SUN.
I heard microsoft will completely stop supporting SUN Java after 2004,
as
they are 
developing their own VM not compatible with SUN's.

Now maybe some might think this is a question for Community, but I want
to
get CFTalks
point of view here.

We are currently making the transition to OO with CFMX (which I know is
not
true OO),
but more importantly java. I'm not not worried or afraid of change, but
it
would be 
nice to know if we are going to have to make a move to Linux for Web
technologies in 
the future if we currently want to work with these tools and take
ourselves
forward with them.

Which leads me to another question which is on another note, I've
started
developing a while back
in VB COM+ dll's so I could speed up certain tasks where CF is sluggish,
my
question is I'm
slightly confused about the main purpose of Microsoft Message Queing,
what I
do understand is that
it allows two or more machines work together out of sinc, but can it be
used
as a threading mechanism
for COM compoents on a server only. From what I have seen MSMQ assigns a
queing mechanism to both the client
app and server app, so where does it fit in with HTTP where the client
will
not have a designated que.

Thanks in advance,

J



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RE: MS CF AND JAVA

[Craig Dudley]

Hi John,

Under a court settlement with SUN, MS can't use java2 technology (1.3
and above + I think) in their own VM, as far as I recollect, MS dumped
supporting java directly in their OS's shortly after, although you can
still get a MS VM if you want, I believe it's akin to Sun's jre 1.2
(java1, baffling isn't it?).

I wouldn't worry about being able to run java on a windows platform in
the future, MS wouldn't shoot itself in the foot by deliberately messing
up java in windows any further, they would lose an awful lot of server
customers. And I can't see sun and others stopping production of their
own windows vm's.

If, however you do use java classes rather than VB dll's, then your
sites should be much more portable, and if you decide to move to unix /
linux, it should be trivial matter. I would have thought that java
classes will be much faster at certain things too.

As far as MSMQ goes, no idea ;-)

Craig.

-Original Message-
From: John McCosker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: 29 November 2002 10:48
To: CF-Talk
Subject: MS CF AND JAVA

Hey,

do any of you guys know exactly what is going on right now with
Microsoft
and SUN.
I heard microsoft will completely stop supporting SUN Java after 2004,
as
they are 
developing their own VM not compatible with SUN's.

Now maybe some might think this is a question for Community, but I want
to
get CFTalks
point of view here.

We are currently making the transition to OO with CFMX (which I know is
not
true OO),
but more importantly java. I'm not not worried or afraid of change, but
it
would be 
nice to know if we are going to have to make a move to Linux for Web
technologies in 
the future if we currently want to work with these tools and take
ourselves
forward with them.

Which leads me to another question which is on another note, I've
started
developing a while back
in VB COM+ dll's so I could speed up certain tasks where CF is sluggish,
my
question is I'm
slightly confused about the main purpose of Microsoft Message Queing,
what I
do understand is that
it allows two or more machines work together out of sinc, but can it be
used
as a threading mechanism
for COM compoents on a server only. From what I have seen MSMQ assigns a
queing mechanism to both the client
app and server app, so where does it fit in with HTTP where the client
will
not have a designated que.

Thanks in advance,

J


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MS CF AND JAVA

[John McCosker]

Hey,

do any of you guys know exactly what is going on right now with Microsoft
and SUN.
I heard microsoft will completely stop supporting SUN Java after 2004, as
they are 
developing their own VM not compatible with SUN's.

Now maybe some might think this is a question for Community, but I want to
get CFTalks
point of view here.

We are currently making the transition to OO with CFMX (which I know is not
true OO),
but more importantly java. I'm not not worried or afraid of change, but it
would be 
nice to know if we are going to have to make a move to Linux for Web
technologies in 
the future if we currently want to work with these tools and take ourselves
forward with them.

Which leads me to another question which is on another note, I've started
developing a while back
in VB COM+ dll's so I could speed up certain tasks where CF is sluggish, my
question is I'm
slightly confused about the main purpose of Microsoft Message Queing, what I
do understand is that
it allows two or more machines work together out of sinc, but can it be used
as a threading mechanism
for COM compoents on a server only. From what I have seen MSMQ assigns a
queing mechanism to both the client
app and server app, so where does it fit in with HTTP where the client will
not have a designated que.

Thanks in advance,

J

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