RE: Paperthin's Commonspot
Bah... do I really sound that defensive? I was just having fun at your expense. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Training: Adobe/Google/Paperthin Certified Partners http://training.figleaf.com/ WebManiacs 2008: the ultimate conference for CF/Flex/AIR developers! http://www.webmaniacsconference.com/ ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:297887 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Paperthin's Commonspot
geoff wrote: It's unnecessary to voice your obviously negative opinion of a product without any sort of request to do so. If you feel the need to vent, why not vent on the farcry-dev forum where you might let the developers of that product knowwhat you found so objectionable -- we'd love to fix it. Sorry to butt in here, but didn't the OP ask for opinions and feedback on CF CMS's? In which case if someone has an opinion about a product, positive or negative, they are entitled to air it. I have no opinion one way or the other on FarCry, but I just thought that needed saying. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:297809 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Paperthin's Commonspot
While my original request was for pros and cons of CommonSpot. Pros and Cons of other products are welcomed. For my needs FarCry is out of the question because it's open source (most federal agencies poo poo anything that's open source off the bat, because of support issues). -- Scott Stewart ColdFusion Developer SSTWebworks 4405 Oakshyre Way Raleigh, NC. 27616 (919) 874-6229 (home) (703) 220-2835 (cell) -Original Message- From: Geoff Bowers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 11:38 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Paperthin's Commonspot Rob, On 31/01/2008, RobG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It looks like it's pretty easy to develop for... it's a million times better than FarCry (don't EVEN get me started on that thing, and yeah I know a lot of people like it). My experience of Commonspot compared to other products has not been as delightful as yours. And there are plenty of people who have a diametrically opposed view to yours on the merits of FarCry as a solution. It's unnecessary to voice your obviously negative opinion of a product without any sort of request to do so. If you feel the need to vent, why not vent on the farcry-dev forum where you might let the developers of that product know what you found so objectionable -- we'd love to fix it. -- geoff http://www.daemon.com.au/ ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:297810 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Paperthin's Commonspot
For my needs FarCry is out of the question because it's open source (most federal agencies poo poo anything that's open source off the bat, because of support issues). Actually, that's not a completely accurate statement. The Daemonites have released FarCry to the public under an open source license, true. However, most of the work done to the FarCry core is paid for by their clients. Support, training, implementation, modification can all be obtained through Daemon. It's like other commercial offerings this way, but I'd venture a guess that Daemon is more willing to help when it comes to system modification. Now, will it meet your requirements the same way as CommonSpot? Depends on your needs. My understanding of CommonSpot is that it makes importing existing content easy (at least according the docs). You can use a WYSIWIG editor to modify templates (again, from what I saw in the docs). You can have a single authoring server and multiple front ends. These are things that FarCry does not do (yet). I'm curious about this myself. I'll be meeting one of Dave Watt's team members in the near future for a CommonSpot install. However, I'm only responsible for the machine it resides on. I'll not be doing any development on it. Matthew Williams Geodesic GraFX www.geodesicgrafx.com/blog ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:297826 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Paperthin's Commonspot
The feds general rule on Open Source is no. Exceptions being Apache, Sendmail and the like because either they offer paid support or there's a third party authority who can provide support. I've downloaded FarCry, I'll play with it, but they really want something retail.. -- Scott Stewart ColdFusion Developer SSTWebworks 4405 Oakshyre Way Raleigh, NC. 27616 (919) 874-6229 (home) (703) 220-2835 (cell) -Original Message- From: Matthew Williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 12:55 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Paperthin's Commonspot For my needs FarCry is out of the question because it's open source (most federal agencies poo poo anything that's open source off the bat, because of support issues). Actually, that's not a completely accurate statement. The Daemonites have released FarCry to the public under an open source license, true. However, most of the work done to the FarCry core is paid for by their clients. Support, training, implementation, modification can all be obtained through Daemon. It's like other commercial offerings this way, but I'd venture a guess that Daemon is more willing to help when it comes to system modification. Now, will it meet your requirements the same way as CommonSpot? Depends on your needs. My understanding of CommonSpot is that it makes importing existing content easy (at least according the docs). You can use a WYSIWIG editor to modify templates (again, from what I saw in the docs). You can have a single authoring server and multiple front ends. These are things that FarCry does not do (yet). I'm curious about this myself. I'll be meeting one of Dave Watt's team members in the near future for a CommonSpot install. However, I'm only responsible for the machine it resides on. I'll not be doing any development on it. Matthew Williams Geodesic GraFX www.geodesicgrafx.com/blog ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:297834 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Paperthin's Commonspot
On 01/02/2008, Matthew Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now, will it meet your requirements the same way as CommonSpot? Depends on your needs. My understanding of CommonSpot is that it makes importing existing content easy (at least according the docs). You can use a WYSIWIG editor to modify templates (again, from what I saw in the docs). You can have a single authoring server and multiple front ends. These are things that FarCry does not do (yet). FarCry is a blessing for data import and export. We don't believe in template authoring through WYSIWYG so its unlikely to appear in the code base without a corporate sponsor. All of the multi-server implementations of FarCry (of which their are many) typically operate on the basis of a single authoring server and multiple front ends. geoff http://www.daemon.com.au/ ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:297845 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Paperthin's Commonspot
Scott Stewart wrote: For my needs FarCry is out of the question because it's open source (most federal agencies poo poo anything that's open source off the bat, because of support issues). Didn't they hire you to provide the support? What exactly is your role if it isn't that? Jochem ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:297846 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Paperthin's Commonspot
On 01/02/2008, Scott Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For my needs FarCry is out of the question because it's open source (most federal agencies poo poo anything that's open source off the bat, because of support issues). It's a strange mentality given that the standard corporate EULA offers nothing in the way of a warranty or even a guarantee of merchantability. Some like iTunes even ask you to agree that the EULA can change at any time. Interestingly enough, we'll be releasing a FarCry Commercial License this year for the very reasons you nominate. Despite offering support and training for years we still get this open source is not for us mentality cropping up. It's likely our commercial offering will be the same as the open source, with a separate license and some extra libraries. geoff http://www.daemon.com.au/ ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:297848 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Paperthin's Commonspot
Developer The Gov't expects a COTS product to have it's own support -- Scott Stewart ColdFusion Developer SSTWebworks 4405 Oakshyre Way Raleigh, NC. 27616 (919) 874-6229 (home) (703) 220-2835 (cell) -Original Message- From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 4:20 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Paperthin's Commonspot Scott Stewart wrote: For my needs FarCry is out of the question because it's open source (most federal agencies poo poo anything that's open source off the bat, because of support issues). Didn't they hire you to provide the support? What exactly is your role if it isn't that? Jochem ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:297851 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Paperthin's Commonspot
See, now, I learn something new every day. I've not looked into importing data since the 2.x days as most of my new sites have been scratch built. I did try pushing FarCry for a huge EPA implementation, but they're dead set on CommonSpot. One of the areas they claimed was lacking was Word/DB import features and using front end servers. Of course, I only got to push the issue after the decision was already made. Matthew Williams Geodesic GraFX www.geodesicgrafx.com/blog ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:297849 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Paperthin's Commonspot
So long as you charge Enterprise prices, you should be fine ;). I still don't get that mentality, but if it's not expensive, then it must not be any good! Matthew Williams Geodesic GraFX www.geodesicgrafx.com/blog ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:297863 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Paperthin's Commonspot
Scott, I am not sure if it is true that Fed Govt will say no to any open source. We are using FarCry here on one of our largest public website for a Federal Govt Agency. Thanks Qasim On Jan 31, 2008 2:42 PM, Scott Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The feds general rule on Open Source is no. Exceptions being Apache, Sendmail and the like because either they offer paid support or there's a third party authority who can provide support. I've downloaded FarCry, I'll play with it, but they really want something retail.. -- Scott Stewart ColdFusion Developer SSTWebworks 4405 Oakshyre Way Raleigh, NC. 27616 (919) 874-6229 (home) (703) 220-2835 (cell) -Original Message- From: Matthew Williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 12:55 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Paperthin's Commonspot For my needs FarCry is out of the question because it's open source (most federal agencies poo poo anything that's open source off the bat, because of support issues). Actually, that's not a completely accurate statement. The Daemonites have released FarCry to the public under an open source license, true. However, most of the work done to the FarCry core is paid for by their clients. Support, training, implementation, modification can all be obtained through Daemon. It's like other commercial offerings this way, but I'd venture a guess that Daemon is more willing to help when it comes to system modification. Now, will it meet your requirements the same way as CommonSpot? Depends on your needs. My understanding of CommonSpot is that it makes importing existing content easy (at least according the docs). You can use a WYSIWIG editor to modify templates (again, from what I saw in the docs). You can have a single authoring server and multiple front ends. These are things that FarCry does not do (yet). I'm curious about this myself. I'll be meeting one of Dave Watt's team members in the near future for a CommonSpot install. However, I'm only responsible for the machine it resides on. I'll not be doing any development on it. Matthew Williams Geodesic GraFX www.geodesicgrafx.com/blog ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:297868 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Paperthin's Commonspot
-Original Message- From: Scott Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 10:18 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Paperthin's Commonspot For my needs FarCry is out of the question because it's open source (most federal agencies poo poo anything that's open source off the bat, because of support issues). -- Just because something is open source doesn't mean there isn't a company or nonprofit group supporting it. Open source also doesn't mean free either. For example, Flex is open source and yet Adobe fully supports it. Just to make that clear, because many people confuse the open source world and the aspects of it. FarCry is open source but you will see lots of companies like Figleaf and others fully supporting it down to training,etc. Most federal agencies need a reality check anyway, but that's another discussion altogether. John Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] 770.337.8363 www.FusionLink.com - ColdFusion and Flex hosting Now offering ColdFusion 8 Enterprise hosting FREE Subversion hosting ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:297869 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Paperthin's Commonspot
FarCry is open source but you will see lots of companies like Figleaf and others fully supporting it down to training, etc. Just to clarify, we don't do any work with FarCry currently. We do quite a bit of work with CommonSpot, though. When we evaluated CMSs, we found CommonSpot to be the best match with our client base. That's not meant as a criticism of FarCry, though. Please don't hurt me, Geoff. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Training: Adobe/Google/Paperthin Certified Partners http://training.figleaf.com/ WebManiacs 2008: the ultimate conference for CF/Flex/AIR developers! http://www.webmaniacsconference.com/ ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:297870 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Paperthin's Commonspot
CommonSpot spot is really expensive... What do you get from CommonSpot that FarCry does not provide for free? Other than the hosted solution option, which is great... N --- Dave Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FarCry is open source but you will see lots of companies like Figleaf and others fully supporting it down to training, etc. Just to clarify, we don't do any work with FarCry currently. We do quite a bit of work with CommonSpot, though. When we evaluated CMSs, we found CommonSpot to be the best match with our client base. That's not meant as a criticism of FarCry, though. Please don't hurt me, Geoff. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Training: Adobe/Google/Paperthin Certified Partners http://training.figleaf.com/ WebManiacs 2008: the ultimate conference for CF/Flex/AIR developers! http://www.webmaniacsconference.com/ ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:297872 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Paperthin's Commonspot
I think they are both good products. But CommonSport is a CMS and FarCry is a CMS and more. I think the and more can be hard to get your head around and makes it seem overly complicated. But we use it where I work it is far better than the paid one we used to use. Regards Dale Fraser http://learncf.com -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 1 February 2008 12:26 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Paperthin's Commonspot FarCry is open source but you will see lots of companies like Figleaf and others fully supporting it down to training, etc. Just to clarify, we don't do any work with FarCry currently. We do quite a bit of work with CommonSpot, though. When we evaluated CMSs, we found CommonSpot to be the best match with our client base. That's not meant as a criticism of FarCry, though. Please don't hurt me, Geoff. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Training: Adobe/Google/Paperthin Certified Partners http://training.figleaf.com/ WebManiacs 2008: the ultimate conference for CF/Flex/AIR developers! http://www.webmaniacsconference.com/ ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:297873 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Paperthin's Commonspot
On 01/02/2008, Dave Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just to clarify, we don't do any work with FarCry currently. We do quite a bit of work with CommonSpot, though. When we evaluated CMSs, we found CommonSpot to be the best match with our client base. That's not meant as a criticism of FarCry, though. Please don't hurt me, Geoff. Bah... do I really sound that defensive? Maybe its true -- will endeavour to be my usual meek (as in inherit the earth) self ;) geoff http://www.daemon.com.au/ ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:297885 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Paperthin's Commonspot
Does anyone have any experience with CommonSpot? Pros? Cons? Were considering encapsulating our entire website in a CMS. And CommonSpot has come up Obvious advantage: written in ColdFusion.. -- Scott Stewart ColdFusion Developer SSTWebworks 4405 Oakshyre Way Raleigh, NC. 27616 (919) 874-6229 (home) (703) 220-2835 (cell) No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.15/1249 - Release Date: 1/29/2008 9:51 AM ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:297729 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Paperthin's Commonspot
We considered it, but the cost of ownership was high. Training sessions are expensive, you have to go up by Boston for 3 days for beginner training. If you want advanced training it's a different 3 day session (more money). If they come to your office/campus it's very very expensive. We went with OmniUpdate, it doesn't care what the back-end is or database structure is and will take a pre-existing website into it's CMS. Training is free Steve LaBadie, Web Manager East Stroudsburg University 200 Prospect St. East Stroudsburg, Pa 18301 570-422-3999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.esu.edu -Original Message- From: Scott Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 10:03 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Paperthin's Commonspot Does anyone have any experience with CommonSpot? Pros? Cons? We're considering encapsulating our entire website in a CMS. And CommonSpot has come up Obvious advantage: written in ColdFusion.. -- Scott Stewart ColdFusion Developer SSTWebworks 4405 Oakshyre Way Raleigh, NC. 27616 (919) 874-6229 (home) (703) 220-2835 (cell) No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.15/1249 - Release Date: 1/29/2008 9:51 AM ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:297731 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Paperthin's Commonspot
Scott, The pro is that it's well supported by a reputable company and it's full featured. The con Expensive. -mark -Original Message- From: Scott Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 9:03 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Paperthin's Commonspot Does anyone have any experience with CommonSpot? Pros? Cons? We're considering encapsulating our entire website in a CMS. And CommonSpot has come up Obvious advantage: written in ColdFusion.. -- Scott Stewart ColdFusion Developer SSTWebworks 4405 Oakshyre Way Raleigh, NC. 27616 (919) 874-6229 (home) (703) 220-2835 (cell) No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.15/1249 - Release Date: 1/29/2008 9:51 AM ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:297732 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Paperthin's Commonspot
Does anyone have any experience with CommonSpot? We work extensively with it here at Fig Leaf. We've worked with some very large clients, such as National Park Service and Voice of America, using CommonSpot: http://www.figleaf.com/Showcase/CMS.cfm We've worked with it so much, we developed course material for it: http://training.figleaf.com/CommonSpot.cfm Pros? It provides a lot of out-of-the-box functionality compared to other CF-based CMSs. We started working with it when Spectra was out, and they were essentially polar opposites. Spectra provided very little actual functionality, but gave you tools to build what you needed. Cons? It's more expensive than other CF-based CMSs. It's relatively cheap compared to other enterprise CMSs. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:297733 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Paperthin's Commonspot
Scott Stewart wrote: Does anyone have any experience with CommonSpot? Pros? Cons? I had started to work with it for a contract that ended up only lasting a week due to poor communication. I spent a great deal of time reading up on the various developer guides. It looks like it's pretty easy to develop for... it's a million times better than FarCry (don't EVEN get me started on that thing, and yeah I know a lot of people like it). The thing I didn't like about it was that they encrypt all the files so you can't really see or modify it. There might be an option to get an unencrypted version, but I don't really know, I never explored it. Rob ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:297791 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Paperthin's Commonspot
The thing I didn't like about it was that they encrypt all the files so you can't really see or modify it. There might be an option to get an unencrypted version, but I don't really know, I never explored it. I'm working with BeSavvy right now and it's the same way - there is an unencrypted version that would allow us to modify and deploy code but we have to deploy it encrypted. The logic behind that is simple - intellectual property. Hatton ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:297795 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Paperthin's Commonspot
Rob, On 31/01/2008, RobG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It looks like it's pretty easy to develop for... it's a million times better than FarCry (don't EVEN get me started on that thing, and yeah I know a lot of people like it). My experience of Commonspot compared to other products has not been as delightful as yours. And there are plenty of people who have a diametrically opposed view to yours on the merits of FarCry as a solution. It's unnecessary to voice your obviously negative opinion of a product without any sort of request to do so. If you feel the need to vent, why not vent on the farcry-dev forum where you might let the developers of that product know what you found so objectionable -- we'd love to fix it. -- geoff http://www.daemon.com.au/ ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:297796 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Paperthin's Commonspot
Geoff Bowers wrote: My experience of Commonspot compared to other products has not been as delightful as yours. And there are plenty of people who have a diametrically opposed view to yours on the merits of FarCry as a solution. I dunno if I'd call my experience with it delightful but given the short time I had with it, it seemed pretty decent. It's unnecessary to voice your obviously negative opinion of a product without any sort of request to do so. If you feel the need to vent, why not vent on the farcry-dev forum where you might let the developers of that product know what you found so objectionable -- we'd love to fix it. I thought about venting about it on the Farcry list, but figured I would be booted in no time for not being a member of the choir. Not wanting to burn bridges, I chose not to. As for venting here without being asked, I thought this was a list that encouraged all kinds of discussion about CF and related applications. I'm not openly bashing FarCry. I do dislike it for many reasons, but I will refrain from making slanderous remarks about it. I will make two comments about it here and leave it at that for now... 1. It's VERY slow. Even on very fast hardware, it's extremely slow. 2. If it had even half the documentation that Commonspot had, I would probably still be using it. The new developer guide that was put out fell very short of being useful, and the Wiki is hard to find help in as well. In addition, even posting to the -Dev list was fairly futile. I finally abandoned FarCry for Joomla. Granted it's php-based, but it's extremely fast and so far seems much easier to work with. The back-end alone is worth its weight in gold. It's lightyears ahead of FarCry. Oh wait, that makes it three things, sorry. :) Rob ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:297798 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Paperthin's Commonspot
On 31/01/2008, RobG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought about venting about it on the Farcry list, but figured I would be booted in no time for not being a member of the choir. Not wanting to burn bridges, I chose not to. Constructive criticism is always gratefully received. As for venting here without being asked, I thought this was a list that encouraged all kinds of discussion about CF and related applications. I'm not openly bashing FarCry. I do dislike it for many reasons, but I will refrain from making slanderous remarks about it. And yet you do every post you mention it. I will make two comments about it here and leave it at that for now... 1. It's VERY slow. Even on very fast hardware, it's extremely slow. As I've mentioned previously, this is clearly specific to your environment and setup. The average page execution time for a view in FarCry is typically 200ms on my laptop, configure it properly and you're down to 50ms. (I'm sure other farcry users would be surprised seeing as several serve over a million page impressions per day) 2. If it had even half the documentation that Commonspot had, I would probably still be using it. The new developer guide that was put out fell very short of being useful, and the Wiki is hard to find help in as well. In addition, even posting to the -Dev list was fairly futile. If you would be happy to pay me the license cost of Commonspot, I'd be happy to write your own personal manual :) The developer guide you refer to is in fact a supplement to a three day, instructor-led training course, which is available in Australia and the US. And you'll be happy to hear we've been improving the documentation day by day. A cursory look at the farcry-dev list suggests none of your questions went unanswered and were responded to in a timely fashion. I'm sorry the community advice wasn't sufficient to see you through. In any event, it's good to hear you found a solution that better meets your requirements. geoff http://www.daemon.com.au/ PS. Your suggestion to list version details on the login page has been added to the soon to be released FarCry 5.0 (Fortress) -- so not all your posts were futile ;) ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:297800 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
