RE: Auto Pinging Script? Thanks!
Dang it! I was the original poster then had to go visit a customer. Seems I missed a lot of fun. I appreciate all the folks who immediately homed in on the intent and provided valuable input. Matt Robertson, John Paul Ashenfelter and Howard Owens to name a few, gave me some great places to start. For Doug and others who might be concerned I will add this in hopes of giving you some peace of mind. Here is our reasoning and strategy. We own several domain names and manage domains for others. Long ago we decided to 1. outsource hosting and 2. not rely on only one provider -- one reason is that we found performance/loading was often (on a long term basis) progressively deteriorating. Or, more like a saw blade pattern -- once the hosting service became sufficiently loaded they would add additional capacity. And, look good for awhile. And, on a short term basis we often experienced significant performance variations during a 24 hour period. Meaning we don't put a whole lot of faith in one time samples. Especially when provided by the hosting service. No disrespect. Let's face it, in a competitive environment there is a little sales spin in even the purist. Our approach is to always be using three active hosts, located in different geographical areas. The goal is to setup a scheme (if within technical and practical means) where approx every 20 minutes a domain from each host will ping a domain on the others. Timing the response. Then we will monitor these for patterns or trends. Taking that one step further we will periodically monitor other CF hosts that we are interested in using in the event that one we currently have goes South. And, we have seen many a change hosting services ownership. And, before some says it -- this ain't perfect, but we feel it is the best scheme we can come up with to satisfy our needs. Assuming we can make it work. At 03:57 PM 9/24/2003 -0700, you wrote: >There's also a site out there (and I too lost all my bookmarks) that gives >you historical "up" reports on any domain you ask it to monitor. It will >tell you the last time the server was rebooted, what os and server its >running, and how often it's been rebooted. I think it even tells you how >long it was down for if it's down. If I can find the site again, I'll pass >along the url. > > >H. > > > >~~ >Howard Owens >Internet Operations Coordinator >Ventura County Star / E.W. Scripps Co. >www.venturacountystar.com >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >AIM: GoCatGo1956 >~~ > > > -Original Message- > > From: cfhelp [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 3:52 PM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: RE: Auto Pinging Script? > > > > I lost my bookmarks but I had a really cool Whois and trace-route website > > that showed all the sites hosted on a server. That may be some help in > > evaluating a host. > > > > Anyone know of it or another? > > > > Rick > > > > > ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=i:4:138377 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 ColdFusion MX 6.1, now 2.5 times faster. http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/productinfo/upgrade/jump/introducing.html?trackingid=ColdFusion_468x60g_HouseofFusion_carat_082803
RE: Auto Pinging Script?
There's also a site out there (and I too lost all my bookmarks) that gives you historical "up" reports on any domain you ask it to monitor. It will tell you the last time the server was rebooted, what os and server its running, and how often it's been rebooted. I think it even tells you how long it was down for if it's down. If I can find the site again, I'll pass along the url. H. ~~ Howard Owens Internet Operations Coordinator Ventura County Star / E.W. Scripps Co. www.venturacountystar.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM: GoCatGo1956 ~~ > -Original Message- > From: cfhelp [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 3:52 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Auto Pinging Script? > > I lost my bookmarks but I had a really cool Whois and trace-route website > that showed all the sites hosted on a server. That may be some help in > evaluating a host. > > Anyone know of it or another? > > Rick > > ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=i:4:138361 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 ColdFusion MX 6.1, now 2.5 times faster. http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/productinfo/upgrade/jump/introducing.html?trackingid=ColdFusion_468x60g_HouseofFusion_carat_082803
RE: Auto Pinging Script?
I lost my bookmarks but I had a really cool Whois and trace-route website that showed all the sites hosted on a server. That may be some help in evaluating a host. Anyone know of it or another? Rick -Original Message- From: Suyer, Ed [PRD Non-J&J] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 2:59 PM To: CF-Talk Nick, Legal issues aside, I'm not sure that this test will give you any type of *real* performance stats. There are too many uncontrolable network related factors involved that have nothing to do w/ an ISP's performance. If you want to compare the bandwith of one ISP to another, I would simply ask them what type of pipe they have connecting them to the Internet. And who their carrier is. Also how many other sites are to be hosted on the same server is yours. Or ping this list for satisfied customers ... the topic of web hosting goes around about once / month. HTH - Original Message - From: "Nick Baker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 10:10 AM Subject: Auto Pinging Script? | We need to evaluate the performance of some CF hosting services. One angle | I would like to try is to setup an automatic pinging script and ping sample | domains hosted by the hosting services at intervals over a period. Note: I | am aware that pinging is often used for denial of service, but that is not | what this is about. | | Any ideas or suggestions? Maybe a script or a Web site that provides this | service? | | Thanks, | | Nick | ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=i:4:138357 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 ColdFusion MX 6.1, now 2.5 times faster. http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/productinfo/upgrade/jump/introducing.html?trackingid=ColdFusion_468x60g_HouseofFusion_carat_082803
RE: Auto Pinging Script?
WOW! That is really aggressive, if that is fully automated. I would hate to guess how many emails to ISPs and Law Enforcement my server would be generating, if I used you system. My software firewall logs all pings, and there are lots of them, on the 15-20 IPs I have on the server. Mark W. Breneman -Cold Fusion Developer -Network Administrator Vivid Media [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.vividmedia.com 608.270.9770 -Original Message- From: Doug White [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 1:19 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Auto Pinging Script? You do this on my domain(s) and on the sixth ping you would be locked out of access to the system, and on the 15th ping, you would be reported to your ISP in the hopes of getting your service terminated, with additional reports to your ISP periodically thereafter, and then followed by a complaint filed with appropriate Law Enforcement. You see, there are much better ways of evaluating a service provider than what could be considered a DDOS or intrusion attempt. == Stop spam on your domain, use our gateway! For hosting solutions http://www.clickdoug.com Featuring Win2003 Enterprise, RedHat Linux, CFMX 6.1 and all databases. ISP rated: http://www.forta.com/cf/isp/isp.cfm?isp_id=772 Suggested corporate Anti-virus policy: http://www.dshield.org/antivirus.pdf == If you are not satisfied with my service, my job isn't done! - Original Message - From: "Nick Baker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 10:10 AM Subject: Auto Pinging Script? | We need to evaluate the performance of some CF hosting services. One angle | I would like to try is to setup an automatic pinging script and ping sample | domains hosted by the hosting services at intervals over a period. Note: I | am aware that pinging is often used for denial of service, but that is not | what this is about. | | Any ideas or suggestions? Maybe a script or a Web site that provides this | service? | | Thanks, | | Nick | | ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=i:4:138351 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 ColdFusion MX 6.1, now 2.5 times faster. http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/productinfo/upgrade/jump/introducing.html?trackingid=ColdFusion_468x60g_HouseofFusion_carat_082803
Re: Auto Pinging Script?
Again, you are mis-interpreting what we do. We do not block clients. neither email or access to their web sites, nor do we prevent their monitoring it to track up-time. None of our blocking is ever directed at clients. That would really be stupid. I read the original post to mean that the person wanted to monitor ALL CF hosts by pinging them whether he was a customer or not and certainly without permission. This is what I objected to, We readily assist customers in monitoring their web sites, and other than spam filtering (on request) and anti-virus scanning, their email is never delayed at all. I am pleased that my clients are really pleased with their service, and have made the effort to comment about it on the Forta web site. == Stop spam on your domain, use our gateway! For hosting solutions http://www.clickdoug.com Featuring Win2003 Enterprise, RedHat Linux, CFMX 6.1 and all databases. ISP rated: http://www.forta.com/cf/isp/isp.cfm?isp_id=772 Suggested corporate Anti-virus policy: http://www.dshield.org/antivirus.pdf == If you are not satisfied with my service, my job isn't done! - Original Message - From: "cfhelp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 4:48 PM Subject: RE: Auto Pinging Script? | Dude that is so (_!_) | | What is the name of your company so I never refer or sign up a client with | them. | | I would hate to find out you blocked email or other service from getting | through to your clients (or someone else's) just because someone used PING. | Lots of program use PING to test for server connection and so do techs just | doing routine troubleshooting. | | Oh and it wouldn't be PING 6 times, you would only have to start the ping | program twice to be locked out and just over 4 times to be reported. | | That is a poor thought out policy that will do nothing buy jam up the | judicial system and piss a lot of clients off if carried through. | | Rick | | -Original Message- | From: Doug White [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 1:19 PM | To: CF-Talk | Subject: Re: Auto Pinging Script? | | You do this on my domain(s) and on the sixth ping you would be locked out of | access to the system, and on the 15th ping, you would be reported to your | ISP in | the hopes of getting your service terminated, with additional reports to | your | ISP periodically thereafter, and then followed by a complaint filed with | appropriate Law Enforcement. | | You see, there are much better ways of evaluating a service provider than | what | could be considered a DDOS or intrusion attempt. | | == | Stop spam on your domain, use our gateway! | For hosting solutions http://www.clickdoug.com | Featuring Win2003 Enterprise, RedHat Linux, CFMX 6.1 and all databases. | ISP rated: http://www.forta.com/cf/isp/isp.cfm?isp_id=772 | Suggested corporate Anti-virus policy: http://www.dshield.org/antivirus.pdf | == | If you are not satisfied with my service, my job isn't done! | | - Original Message - | From: "Nick Baker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 10:10 AM | Subject: Auto Pinging Script? | | | | We need to evaluate the performance of some CF hosting services. One angle | | I would like to try is to setup an automatic pinging script and ping | sample | | domains hosted by the hosting services at intervals over a period. Note: I | | am aware that pinging is often used for denial of service, but that is not | | what this is about. | | | | Any ideas or suggestions? Maybe a script or a Web site that provides this | | service? | | | | Thanks, | | | | Nick | | | | | | ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=i:4:138350 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Purchase from House of Fusion, a Macromedia Authorized Affiliate and support the CF community. http://affiliates.macromedia.com/t.asp?id=2439&p=go/dr_text_aff1
Re: Auto Pinging Script?
It looks like the number was HB1282. The text does not mention ping at all. It is all about unsolicited commercial (advertising) email. Text of Bill: http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/cgi-bin/tlo/textframe.cmd?LEG=78&SESS=R&CHAMBER=H&BILLTYPE=B&BILLSUFFIX=01282&VERSION=5&TYPE=B A good article from the Texas Bar: http://www.texasbar.com/globals/tbj/2003/sept/spam.asp And I will now stop before Mike tells me to move it to CF-LAW. Jerry Johnson >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/24/03 05:27PM >>> SB186 is the Texas Anti-spam statutes, The mail issue is California. I just read that in a newsletter from the EFF (Electronic Frontier Foundation.) http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/internet/09/24/california.spam.ap/index.html http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/09/24/tech/main574891.shtml http://www.spamlaws.com/state/ca1.html == Stop spam on your domain, use our gateway! For hosting solutions http://www.clickdoug.com Featuring Win2003 Enterprise, RedHat Linux, CFMX 6.1 and all databases. ISP rated: http://www.forta.com/cf/isp/isp.cfm?isp_id=772 Suggested corporate Anti-virus policy: http://www.dshield.org/antivirus.pdf == If you are not satisfied with my service, my job isn't done! - Original Message - From: "Matt Robertson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 4:21 PM Subject: Re: Auto Pinging Script? | Honest Doug, I'm not trying to pick on you today, but: | | The law (SB 186) requires "ADV" to be in the subject line. Do that and you're free/clear. Also, opt-in mailings are exempt, so an ongoing relationship is protected so long as it was established properly (expect a lot of wiggling on that one). | | I'd love to see them enforce this, but... | | Google "California Anti Spam law" for several news reports on this. | | | -- | --- | Matt Robertson, [EMAIL PROTECTED] | MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbase.com | --- | | -- | ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=i:4:138349 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com
RE: Auto Pinging Script?
Dude that is so (_!_) What is the name of your company so I never refer or sign up a client with them. I would hate to find out you blocked email or other service from getting through to your clients (or someone else's) just because someone used PING. Lots of program use PING to test for server connection and so do techs just doing routine troubleshooting. Oh and it wouldn't be PING 6 times, you would only have to start the ping program twice to be locked out and just over 4 times to be reported. That is a poor thought out policy that will do nothing buy jam up the judicial system and piss a lot of clients off if carried through. Rick -Original Message- From: Doug White [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 1:19 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Auto Pinging Script? You do this on my domain(s) and on the sixth ping you would be locked out of access to the system, and on the 15th ping, you would be reported to your ISP in the hopes of getting your service terminated, with additional reports to your ISP periodically thereafter, and then followed by a complaint filed with appropriate Law Enforcement. You see, there are much better ways of evaluating a service provider than what could be considered a DDOS or intrusion attempt. == Stop spam on your domain, use our gateway! For hosting solutions http://www.clickdoug.com Featuring Win2003 Enterprise, RedHat Linux, CFMX 6.1 and all databases. ISP rated: http://www.forta.com/cf/isp/isp.cfm?isp_id=772 Suggested corporate Anti-virus policy: http://www.dshield.org/antivirus.pdf == If you are not satisfied with my service, my job isn't done! - Original Message - From: "Nick Baker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 10:10 AM Subject: Auto Pinging Script? | We need to evaluate the performance of some CF hosting services. One angle | I would like to try is to setup an automatic pinging script and ping sample | domains hosted by the hosting services at intervals over a period. Note: I | am aware that pinging is often used for denial of service, but that is not | what this is about. | | Any ideas or suggestions? Maybe a script or a Web site that provides this | service? | | Thanks, | | Nick | | ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=i:4:138348 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 ColdFusion MX 6.1, now 2.5 times faster. http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/productinfo/upgrade/jump/introducing.html?trackingid=ColdFusion_468x60g_HouseofFusion_carat_082803
Re: Auto Pinging Script?
SB186 is the Texas Anti-spam statutes, The mail issue is California. I just read that in a newsletter from the EFF (Electronic Frontier Foundation.) http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/internet/09/24/california.spam.ap/index.html http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/09/24/tech/main574891.shtml http://www.spamlaws.com/state/ca1.html == Stop spam on your domain, use our gateway! For hosting solutions http://www.clickdoug.com Featuring Win2003 Enterprise, RedHat Linux, CFMX 6.1 and all databases. ISP rated: http://www.forta.com/cf/isp/isp.cfm?isp_id=772 Suggested corporate Anti-virus policy: http://www.dshield.org/antivirus.pdf == If you are not satisfied with my service, my job isn't done! - Original Message - From: "Matt Robertson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 4:21 PM Subject: Re: Auto Pinging Script? | Honest Doug, I'm not trying to pick on you today, but: | | The law (SB 186) requires "ADV" to be in the subject line. Do that and you're free/clear. Also, opt-in mailings are exempt, so an ongoing relationship is protected so long as it was established properly (expect a lot of wiggling on that one). | | I'd love to see them enforce this, but... | | Google "California Anti Spam law" for several news reports on this. | | | -- | --- | Matt Robertson, [EMAIL PROTECTED] | MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbase.com | --- | | -- | ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=i:4:138346 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com
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Whoops! My bad. Correction on the ADV bit. No dice there. But the opt-in part is correct. The idea was to protect small CA businesses doing internet commerce. --Matt-- -- --- Matt Robertson, [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbase.com --- -- ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=i:4:138345 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 In the beginning ColdFusion shipped with Website. Both have only gotten better http://www.deerfield.com/products/website/
Re: Auto Pinging Script?
Does anyone know what law in TX we are talking about? I haven't found anything obvious from a list of 9/1 effective bills. Looking here:http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlo/reports/daily/78R/eff0901_summary.htm Jerry Johnson >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/24/03 05:21PM >>> Honest Doug, I'm not trying to pick on you today, but: The law (SB 186) requires "ADV" to be in the subject line. Do that and you're free/clear. Also, opt-in mailings are exempt, so an ongoing relationship is protected so long as it was established properly (expect a lot of wiggling on that one). I'd love to see them enforce this, but... Google "California Anti Spam law" for several news reports on this. -- --- Matt Robertson, [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbase.com --- -- ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=i:4:138343 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com
Re: Auto Pinging Script?
Honest Doug, I'm not trying to pick on you today, but: The law (SB 186) requires "ADV" to be in the subject line. Do that and you're free/clear. Also, opt-in mailings are exempt, so an ongoing relationship is protected so long as it was established properly (expect a lot of wiggling on that one). I'd love to see them enforce this, but... Google "California Anti Spam law" for several news reports on this. -- --- Matt Robertson, [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbase.com --- -- ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=i:4:138341 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 ColdFusion MX 6.1, now 2.5 times faster. http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/productinfo/upgrade/jump/introducing.html?trackingid=ColdFusion_468x60g_HouseofFusion_carat_082803
Re: Auto Pinging Script?
> Your scenario would make it a crime for me to monitor the content of a web page, determine whether it has changed and send a notice if a change has occurred. Again, a reasonable and ethical activity widely performed. This is important for me to be clear on as well. I have a desktop app that I'm in the process of converting to a CFC web service in my spare time that hits a web site looking for a specific bit of information. The web site it's looking at is not one of mine, it's just out on the web. Is what I'm doing any different than a person looking at the web page directly? Does it make a difference how many clients I distribute that call this web service? Also, does a law like this make search engine spiders illegal? -Kevin ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=i:4:138338 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 ColdFusion MX 6.1, now 2.5 times faster. http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/productinfo/upgrade/jump/introducing.html?trackingid=ColdFusion_468x60g_HouseofFusion_carat_082803
Re: Auto Pinging Script?
Not a crime if it is your web site, or you were hired by the web site owner to monitor it for them. == Stop spam on your domain, use our gateway! For hosting solutions http://www.clickdoug.com Featuring Win2003 Enterprise, RedHat Linux, CFMX 6.1 and all databases. ISP rated: http://www.forta.com/cf/isp/isp.cfm?isp_id=772 Suggested corporate Anti-virus policy: http://www.dshield.org/antivirus.pdf == If you are not satisfied with my service, my job isn't done! - Original Message - From: "Matt Robertson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 3:49 PM Subject: Re: Auto Pinging Script? | Doug White wrote: | >To ping networks you have no relationship with on a repeated basis, no | >matter the interval, is definitely a crime here in Texas, as of | >September 1, 2003 | | I don't think so as that definition ignores the concept of intent, but neither of our opinions mean anything. I have a call in to Mary Vincent, the Coordinator for Consumer Protection at the Texas AG's office. I've been slowly walking up the ladder there for awhile now and they're looking this up for me. | | Your scenario would make it a crime for me to monitor the content of a web page, determine whether it has changed and send a notice if a change has occurred. Again, a reasonable and ethical activity widely performed. | | | | -- | --- | Matt Robertson, [EMAIL PROTECTED] | MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbase.com | --- | | -- | ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=i:4:138335 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 ColdFusion MX 6.1, now 2.5 times faster. http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/productinfo/upgrade/jump/introducing.html?trackingid=ColdFusion_468x60g_HouseofFusion_carat_082803
Re: Auto Pinging Script?
Extreme? I guess it is, but look at the extreme law just signed into law in California. It is now unlawful to send unsolicited commercial email to anyone in California , regardless of whether how it is classified, has " ADV" in the subject, or even if the sender has an established relationship with the recipient. Now that is extreme, and I am sure is the result of so many abuses. == Stop spam on your domain, use our gateway! For hosting solutions http://www.clickdoug.com Featuring Win2003 Enterprise, RedHat Linux, CFMX 6.1 and all databases. ISP rated: http://www.forta.com/cf/isp/isp.cfm?isp_id=772 Suggested corporate Anti-virus policy: http://www.dshield.org/antivirus.pdf == If you are not satisfied with my service, my job isn't done! - Original Message - From: "Ben Densmore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 3:28 PM Subject: RE: Auto Pinging Script? | So how does that affect someone that would ping your network that is not | in Texas? I think that is a bit extreme to say you're going to jail or | going to pay a fine because you pinged our network x amount of times. | | Ben | | -Original Message- | From: Doug White [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 4:23 PM | To: CF-Talk | Subject: Re: Auto Pinging Script? | | Your key word is "paying customers"To ping networks you have no | relationship | with on a repeated basis, no matter the interval, is definitely a crime | here in | Texas, as of September 1, 2003 | | == | Stop spam on your domain, use our gateway! | For hosting solutions http://www.clickdoug.com | Featuring Win2003 Enterprise, RedHat Linux, CFMX 6.1 and all databases. | ISP rated: http://www.forta.com/cf/isp/isp.cfm?isp_id=772 | Suggested corporate Anti-virus policy: | http://www.dshield.org/antivirus.pdf | == | If you are not satisfied with my service, my job isn't done! | | - Original Message - | From: "Matt Robertson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 2:18 PM | Subject: RE: Auto Pinging Script? | | | | Doug, one page hit every 5 minutes is not a crime, nor will it draw | any | | notice from law enforcement. | | | | Again, monitoring a server for uptime at a responsible interval is | | entirely legal. Its done all the time, every day, by well-established | | corporations dedicated to doing just that and that only for paying | | customers. To assert otherwise ignores this reality. | | | | | | Matt Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbase.com | | | | | | | | ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=i:4:138334 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 ColdFusion MX 6.1, now 2.5 times faster. http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/productinfo/upgrade/jump/introducing.html?trackingid=ColdFusion_468x60g_HouseofFusion_carat_082803
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== Stop spam on your domain, use our gateway! For hosting solutions http://www.clickdoug.com Featuring Win2003 Enterprise, RedHat Linux, CFMX 6.1 and all databases. ISP rated: http://www.forta.com/cf/isp/isp.cfm?isp_id=772 Suggested corporate Anti-virus policy: http://www.dshield.org/antivirus.pdf == If you are not satisfied with my service, my job isn't done! - Original Message - From: "Ben Densmore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 3:28 PM Subject: RE: Auto Pinging Script? | So how does that affect someone that would ping your network that is not | in Texas? I think that is a bit extreme to say you're going to jail or | going to pay a fine because you pinged our network x amount of times. | | Ben | | -Original Message- | From: Doug White [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 4:23 PM | To: CF-Talk | Subject: Re: Auto Pinging Script? | | Your key word is "paying customers"To ping networks you have no | relationship | with on a repeated basis, no matter the interval, is definitely a crime | here in | Texas, as of September 1, 2003 | | == | Stop spam on your domain, use our gateway! | For hosting solutions http://www.clickdoug.com | Featuring Win2003 Enterprise, RedHat Linux, CFMX 6.1 and all databases. | ISP rated: http://www.forta.com/cf/isp/isp.cfm?isp_id=772 | Suggested corporate Anti-virus policy: | http://www.dshield.org/antivirus.pdf | == | If you are not satisfied with my service, my job isn't done! | | - Original Message - | From: "Matt Robertson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 2:18 PM | Subject: RE: Auto Pinging Script? | | | | Doug, one page hit every 5 minutes is not a crime, nor will it draw | any | | notice from law enforcement. | | | | Again, monitoring a server for uptime at a responsible interval is | | entirely legal. Its done all the time, every day, by well-established | | corporations dedicated to doing just that and that only for paying | | customers. To assert otherwise ignores this reality. | | | | | | Matt Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbase.com | | | | | | | | ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=i:4:138332 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
RE: Auto Pinging Script?
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RE: Auto Pinging Script?
LOL, Maybe you should rewrite all the lyrics to that song and record it ;-) Ben -Original Message- From: Marlon Moyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 4:51 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Auto Pinging Script? There I was completely wasted, pinging a texas town all inside it's so frustrating as the packets go down feel as though nobody cares which netmask I'm on so I might as well begin to put some action in my line Breaking the law, breaking the law Breaking the law, breaking the law Breaking the law, breaking the law Breaking the law, breaking the law Ben Densmore wrote: >So how does that affect someone that would ping your network that is not >in Texas? I think that is a bit extreme to say you're going to jail or >going to pay a fine because you pinged our network x amount of times. > >Ben > >-Original Message- >From: Doug White [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 4:23 PM >To: CF-Talk >Subject: Re: Auto Pinging Script? > >Your key word is "paying customers"To ping networks you have no >relationship >with on a repeated basis, no matter the interval, is definitely a crime >here in >Texas, as of September 1, 2003 > >== >Stop spam on your domain, use our gateway! >For hosting solutions http://www.clickdoug.com >Featuring Win2003 Enterprise, RedHat Linux, CFMX 6.1 and all databases. >ISP rated: http://www.forta.com/cf/isp/isp.cfm?isp_id=772 >Suggested corporate Anti-virus policy: >http://www.dshield.org/antivirus.pdf >== >If you are not satisfied with my service, my job isn't done! > >- Original Message - >From: "Matt Robertson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 2:18 PM >Subject: RE: Auto Pinging Script? > > >| Doug, one page hit every 5 minutes is not a crime, nor will it draw >any >| notice from law enforcement. >| >| Again, monitoring a server for uptime at a responsible interval is >| entirely legal. Its done all the time, every day, by well-established >| corporations dedicated to doing just that and that only for paying >| customers. To assert otherwise ignores this reality. >| >| >| Matt Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] >| MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbase.com >| >| >| > > ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=i:4:138329 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com
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There I was completely wasted, pinging a texas town all inside it's so frustrating as the packets go down feel as though nobody cares which netmask I'm on so I might as well begin to put some action in my line Breaking the law, breaking the law Breaking the law, breaking the law Breaking the law, breaking the law Breaking the law, breaking the law Ben Densmore wrote: >So how does that affect someone that would ping your network that is not >in Texas? I think that is a bit extreme to say you're going to jail or >going to pay a fine because you pinged our network x amount of times. > >Ben > >-Original Message- >From: Doug White [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 4:23 PM >To: CF-Talk >Subject: Re: Auto Pinging Script? > >Your key word is "paying customers"To ping networks you have no >relationship >with on a repeated basis, no matter the interval, is definitely a crime >here in >Texas, as of September 1, 2003 > >== >Stop spam on your domain, use our gateway! >For hosting solutions http://www.clickdoug.com >Featuring Win2003 Enterprise, RedHat Linux, CFMX 6.1 and all databases. >ISP rated: http://www.forta.com/cf/isp/isp.cfm?isp_id=772 >Suggested corporate Anti-virus policy: >http://www.dshield.org/antivirus.pdf >== >If you are not satisfied with my service, my job isn't done! > >- Original Message - >From: "Matt Robertson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 2:18 PM >Subject: RE: Auto Pinging Script? > > >| Doug, one page hit every 5 minutes is not a crime, nor will it draw >any >| notice from law enforcement. >| >| Again, monitoring a server for uptime at a responsible interval is >| entirely legal. Its done all the time, every day, by well-established >| corporations dedicated to doing just that and that only for paying >| customers. To assert otherwise ignores this reality. >| >| >| Matt Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] >| MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbase.com >| >| >| > > ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=i:4:138328 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 ColdFusion MX 6.1, now 2.5 times faster. http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/productinfo/upgrade/jump/introducing.html?trackingid=ColdFusion_468x60g_HouseofFusion_carat_082803
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What I want to know is if they capture the packet's...do they sending them to the electric chair? :) I can see how Doug's strategy could be extremely effective... Personally I'd set it a few notches higher, but there are definitely times when we have been under DOS attack that I wished we had something like that set up. It could make a mess of the deny list though if under a big DDOS attack though, and the router is going to get overloaded either way as the deny list gets larger and larger, but I'm sure these problems could be overcome. I wonder if the wording of the law makes stuff like ARP packets from an ISP into a clients network illegal...knowing how technical legislators are I wouldn't doubt it. -- jon mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wednesday, September 24, 2003, 4:28:25 PM, you wrote: BD> So how does that affect someone that would ping your network that is not BD> in Texas? I think that is a bit extreme to say you're going to jail or BD> going to pay a fine because you pinged our network x amount of times. BD> Ben ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=i:4:138327 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 ColdFusion MX 6.1, now 2.5 times faster. http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/productinfo/upgrade/jump/introducing.html?trackingid=ColdFusion_468x60g_HouseofFusion_carat_082803
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Doug White wrote: >To ping networks you have no relationship with on a repeated basis, no >matter the interval, is definitely a crime here in Texas, as of >September 1, 2003 I don't think so as that definition ignores the concept of intent, but neither of our opinions mean anything. I have a call in to Mary Vincent, the Coordinator for Consumer Protection at the Texas AG's office. I've been slowly walking up the ladder there for awhile now and they're looking this up for me. Your scenario would make it a crime for me to monitor the content of a web page, determine whether it has changed and send a notice if a change has occurred. Again, a reasonable and ethical activity widely performed. -- --- Matt Robertson, [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbase.com --- -- ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=i:4:138326 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 ColdFusion MX 6.1, now 2.5 times faster. http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/productinfo/upgrade/jump/introducing.html?trackingid=ColdFusion_468x60g_HouseofFusion_carat_082803
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I think you are getting off track, or I misunderstood the purpose of your original post. Of course a customer/client can set up whatever software they wish to monitor server uptime, in face we will furnish code for that to the client at no extra charge. It is very easy to set up with a CFC and CFSchedule. I had previously qualified my statement as defining the pings coming from someone with whom we had no relationship. In fact I run server monitoring software on my network myself. If I am hosting your web site, then you would be entitled to know about your up time, even if you did not want to wait for the daily statistical report sent to you every day anyway. The example you give would not apply to the scenario I painted, because they are obviously customers/clients. You would likewise be entitled to pop your mail, send mail, or whatever service you were being provided. == Stop spam on your domain, use our gateway! For hosting solutions http://www.clickdoug.com Featuring Win2003 Enterprise, RedHat Linux, CFMX 6.1 and all databases. ISP rated: http://www.forta.com/cf/isp/isp.cfm?isp_id=772 Suggested corporate Anti-virus policy: http://www.dshield.org/antivirus.pdf == If you are not satisfied with my service, my job isn't done! - Original Message - From: "John Paul Ashenfelter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 3:16 PM Subject: Re: Auto Pinging Script? | > As for someone saying the attacking a network not under your control is | ethical | > and Legal, I will remind that person that this system is in Texas, and we | have | > statutes making the practice illegal, and subject to substantial fines. | Put | > that together with an Attorney General who is enthusiastic about | prosecuting | > computer crimes. | | Wow. So do you filter folks using Outlook that do an SMTP get every minute | or so with the default settings in Office 2k/xp? Are they *attacking* you as | well? Frequent web hits from the same client? Not clear from your site how | you bill, but industry standard is either 95% peak usage or total GB per | month. If I'm paying for traffic, you shouldn't care what it is, as long as | it's legal. | | It comes down to what's an attack. I'd have trouble understanding six pings | being an attack -- many small businesses (same folks who use shared servers | and lots of your customers, right?) use 1 IP address and NAT it. Try this | scenario | | "Bob, I can't ping the server. Can you try Sue?". | "No luck here Bill, I'll try it from the server". | "alright, i'll try it again though. | "Nope, that's not it either, I'll try it from the router/pix/whatever". | "Ok, now I have to call support to see what's up " | "Yes sir, I understand you're having a problem. Oh -- you were attacking our | server and we turned you off". | | Not very customer-centric. And I bet you'd have trouble defending that in | court under that Texas law though I'm not familiar with Texas statutes, | but I am with Virginia's -- and we're the Silicon Dominion so there's quite | a few hi-tech laws. But redalert.com (now part of Keynote now) isn't | violating any laws as far as "attacking" sites. | | No question Welchia violated laws, but there's a big difference between | Welchia pinging you and a *customer* monitoring the site they pay you for. | I'm the first person to say monitor the service you really need to | monitor -- eg HTTP if it's web, SMTP if it's outbound mail, etc. Personally | I'm a big fan of nagios and most every service provider I've ever dealt with | had at least MRTG running internally to provide a window into uptime. That | said, I still start with a ping when someone tells me we have a problem. | | > Like it or not, unnecessary internet traffic is just that, unnecessary. | So get | > a real job. | | Who judges what's "unnecessary"? All that graphic crap, flash, etc all get | in the way of the text content. It's sort of unnecessary so just filter it | out too? And the stupid stuff -- let's get rid of that. No more Survivor fan | sites. And none of these useless newsgroups :) | | Welchia was nasty, but a block on the appropriate RPC ports at the perimeter | routers and a little proactive monitoring of the syslog for scanning pings | is plenty to protect you. It's not *that* hard to write a perl script that's | a little more forgiving. We share space with Crutchfield and a couple other | large regional companies and had no issues other than general slowness from | the *rest* of world, particularly Adelphia which handled everything pretty | darn poorly. | | Regards, | | John Paul Ashenfelter | CTO/
RE: Auto Pinging Script?
So how does that affect someone that would ping your network that is not in Texas? I think that is a bit extreme to say you're going to jail or going to pay a fine because you pinged our network x amount of times. Ben -Original Message- From: Doug White [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 4:23 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Auto Pinging Script? Your key word is "paying customers"To ping networks you have no relationship with on a repeated basis, no matter the interval, is definitely a crime here in Texas, as of September 1, 2003 == Stop spam on your domain, use our gateway! For hosting solutions http://www.clickdoug.com Featuring Win2003 Enterprise, RedHat Linux, CFMX 6.1 and all databases. ISP rated: http://www.forta.com/cf/isp/isp.cfm?isp_id=772 Suggested corporate Anti-virus policy: http://www.dshield.org/antivirus.pdf == If you are not satisfied with my service, my job isn't done! - Original Message - From: "Matt Robertson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 2:18 PM Subject: RE: Auto Pinging Script? | Doug, one page hit every 5 minutes is not a crime, nor will it draw any | notice from law enforcement. | | Again, monitoring a server for uptime at a responsible interval is | entirely legal. Its done all the time, every day, by well-established | corporations dedicated to doing just that and that only for paying | customers. To assert otherwise ignores this reality. | | | Matt Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] | MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbase.com | | | ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=i:4:138320 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com
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Your key word is "paying customers"To ping networks you have no relationship with on a repeated basis, no matter the interval, is definitely a crime here in Texas, as of September 1, 2003 == Stop spam on your domain, use our gateway! For hosting solutions http://www.clickdoug.com Featuring Win2003 Enterprise, RedHat Linux, CFMX 6.1 and all databases. ISP rated: http://www.forta.com/cf/isp/isp.cfm?isp_id=772 Suggested corporate Anti-virus policy: http://www.dshield.org/antivirus.pdf == If you are not satisfied with my service, my job isn't done! - Original Message - From: "Matt Robertson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 2:18 PM Subject: RE: Auto Pinging Script? | Doug, one page hit every 5 minutes is not a crime, nor will it draw any | notice from law enforcement. | | Again, monitoring a server for uptime at a responsible interval is | entirely legal. Its done all the time, every day, by well-established | corporations dedicated to doing just that and that only for paying | customers. To assert otherwise ignores this reality. | | | Matt Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] | MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbase.com | | | ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=i:4:138319 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 ColdFusion MX 6.1, now 2.5 times faster. http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/productinfo/upgrade/jump/introducing.html?trackingid=ColdFusion_468x60g_HouseofFusion_carat_082803
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It's not CF, so there's a bit of learning curve, but nagios is a great open source monitoring tool. http://www.nagios.org/. There's commercial support to help get it running, but it's rock solid, free, and runs great from a DSL connection. We've got a few customers that asked us to put in Nagios (well, they said monitoring and we chose nagios) and we asked *them* if we can use their Nagios install to monitor other sites, so we now have a number of different Nagios monitors on different service providers that monitor each other and report back to our central console as well -- so we can get confirmation of any outage from multiple sources. All free. All scalable. And not that hard to figure out. There's other tools too -- cricket, umm, netsaint, few others. Nagios seems to be the current leader. That said, I've used SitePeeker for a couple of quick and dirty projects before I learned Nagios and it worked just fine. But Nagios will let you monitor any port, let you run transactions, let's you escalate notification of folks, etc. Great tool. The open source equivalent in many ways to WhatsUp! (which I love, but is about $750/site vs $0 for Nagios) Regards, John Paul Ashenfelter CTO/Transitionpoint [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Matt Robertson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 4:06 PM Subject: RE: Auto Pinging Script? > Thane Sherington wrote: > >What do you use as your "good" server to test from? > > For about the last 1 1/2 to 2 years I have used my home DSL connection, on which I am running a full licensed copy of CF. Otherwise the cheapest way to do it is to get a cheapie hosting acct that lets you use cfschedule, or will schedule the tag call for you. > > I used Intermedia until I got home DSL. I talked with one of their owners before signing up and they were perfectly fine with the use I was putting the acct to. > > RedAlert wants US$115.95 per month for a 4-target, 5-minute interval monitor. Netwhistle wants US$140 and apparently can't do POP/SMTP testing. Intermedia cost me US$30 monthly. My sealed copy of CF cost me US$235 on Ebay. > > SitePeeker does everything I want it to. If you can think of anything else you want let me know. Haven't upgraded it in awhile. > > > -- > --- > Matt Robertson, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbase.com > --- > > -- > ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=i:4:138318 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 ColdFusion MX 6.1, now 2.5 times faster. http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/productinfo/upgrade/jump/introducing.html?trackingid=ColdFusion_468x60g_HouseofFusion_carat_082803
Re: Auto Pinging Script?
> As for someone saying the attacking a network not under your control is ethical > and Legal, I will remind that person that this system is in Texas, and we have > statutes making the practice illegal, and subject to substantial fines. Put > that together with an Attorney General who is enthusiastic about prosecuting > computer crimes. Wow. So do you filter folks using Outlook that do an SMTP get every minute or so with the default settings in Office 2k/xp? Are they *attacking* you as well? Frequent web hits from the same client? Not clear from your site how you bill, but industry standard is either 95% peak usage or total GB per month. If I'm paying for traffic, you shouldn't care what it is, as long as it's legal. It comes down to what's an attack. I'd have trouble understanding six pings being an attack -- many small businesses (same folks who use shared servers and lots of your customers, right?) use 1 IP address and NAT it. Try this scenario "Bob, I can't ping the server. Can you try Sue?". "No luck here Bill, I'll try it from the server". "alright, i'll try it again though. "Nope, that's not it either, I'll try it from the router/pix/whatever". "Ok, now I have to call support to see what's up " "Yes sir, I understand you're having a problem. Oh -- you were attacking our server and we turned you off". Not very customer-centric. And I bet you'd have trouble defending that in court under that Texas law though I'm not familiar with Texas statutes, but I am with Virginia's -- and we're the Silicon Dominion so there's quite a few hi-tech laws. But redalert.com (now part of Keynote now) isn't violating any laws as far as "attacking" sites. No question Welchia violated laws, but there's a big difference between Welchia pinging you and a *customer* monitoring the site they pay you for. I'm the first person to say monitor the service you really need to monitor -- eg HTTP if it's web, SMTP if it's outbound mail, etc. Personally I'm a big fan of nagios and most every service provider I've ever dealt with had at least MRTG running internally to provide a window into uptime. That said, I still start with a ping when someone tells me we have a problem. > Like it or not, unnecessary internet traffic is just that, unnecessary. So get > a real job. Who judges what's "unnecessary"? All that graphic crap, flash, etc all get in the way of the text content. It's sort of unnecessary so just filter it out too? And the stupid stuff -- let's get rid of that. No more Survivor fan sites. And none of these useless newsgroups :) Welchia was nasty, but a block on the appropriate RPC ports at the perimeter routers and a little proactive monitoring of the syslog for scanning pings is plenty to protect you. It's not *that* hard to write a perl script that's a little more forgiving. We share space with Crutchfield and a couple other large regional companies and had no issues other than general slowness from the *rest* of world, particularly Adelphia which handled everything pretty darn poorly. Regards, John Paul Ashenfelter CTO/Transitionpoint [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=i:4:138317 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 ColdFusion MX 6.1, now 2.5 times faster. http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/productinfo/upgrade/jump/introducing.html?trackingid=ColdFusion_468x60g_HouseofFusion_carat_082803
RE: Auto Pinging Script?
Thane Sherington wrote: >What do you use as your "good" server to test from? For about the last 1 1/2 to 2 years I have used my home DSL connection, on which I am running a full licensed copy of CF. Otherwise the cheapest way to do it is to get a cheapie hosting acct that lets you use cfschedule, or will schedule the tag call for you. I used Intermedia until I got home DSL. I talked with one of their owners before signing up and they were perfectly fine with the use I was putting the acct to. RedAlert wants US$115.95 per month for a 4-target, 5-minute interval monitor. Netwhistle wants US$140 and apparently can't do POP/SMTP testing. Intermedia cost me US$30 monthly. My sealed copy of CF cost me US$235 on Ebay. SitePeeker does everything I want it to. If you can think of anything else you want let me know. Haven't upgraded it in awhile. -- --- Matt Robertson, [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbase.com --- -- ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=i:4:138315 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 ColdFusion MX 6.1, now 2.5 times faster. http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/productinfo/upgrade/jump/introducing.html?trackingid=ColdFusion_468x60g_HouseofFusion_carat_082803
RE: Auto Pinging Script?
At 11:38 AM 9/24/03 -0700, Matt Robertson wrote: >Check out CF_SitePeeker in the DevEx to use as a free server monitor. > >http://mysecretbase.com/page_48.html This is an excellent link, thanks. What do you use as your "good" server to test from? T Tired of your bookmarks/favourites being limited to one computer? Move them to the Net! www.stuffbythane.com/webfavourites makes it easy to keep all your favourites in one place and access them from any computer that's attached to the Internet. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=i:4:138314 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 ColdFusion MX 6.1, now 2.5 times faster. http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/productinfo/upgrade/jump/introducing.html?trackingid=ColdFusion_468x60g_HouseofFusion_carat_082803
RE: Auto Pinging Script?
Doug, one page hit every 5 minutes is not a crime, nor will it draw any notice from law enforcement. Again, monitoring a server for uptime at a responsible interval is entirely legal. Its done all the time, every day, by well-established corporations dedicated to doing just that and that only for paying customers. To assert otherwise ignores this reality. Matt Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbase.com ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=i:4:138313 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
Re: Auto Pinging Script?
I use a routine that was developed to counter the Welchia ping attacks. Packets are captured with SNORT, and then added to a database via a perl script, and then another perl script to block you at the router. As for someone saying the attacking a network not under your control is ethical and Legal, I will remind that person that this system is in Texas, and we have statutes making the practice illegal, and subject to substantial fines. Put that together with an Attorney General who is enthusiastic about prosecuting computer crimes. Like it or not, unnecessary internet traffic is just that, unnecessary. So get a real job. == Stop spam on your domain, use our gateway! For hosting solutions http://www.clickdoug.com Featuring Win2003 Enterprise, RedHat Linux, CFMX 6.1 and all databases. ISP rated: http://www.forta.com/cf/isp/isp.cfm?isp_id=772 Suggested corporate Anti-virus policy: http://www.dshield.org/antivirus.pdf == If you are not satisfied with my service, my job isn't done! - Original Message - From: "jon hall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 1:51 PM Subject: Re: Auto Pinging Script? | For 15 pings? Sheesh man...just filter icmp and be done with it if | that's the way you feel. How are you counting and triggering the | events? I could see doing this with IDS, but would think doing | something like that on the router would cause performance issues if | the counter window was long enough. Hell, it would probably make the | router easier to DOS...lol | | To answer the original question...I recommend something along the | lines of IPSwitch's WhatsUp, or one of the web based services out | there. | | -- | jon | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Wednesday, September 24, 2003, 2:18:56 PM, you wrote: | DW> You do this on my domain(s) and on the sixth ping you would be locked out of | DW> access to the system, and on the 15th ping, you would be reported to your ISP in | DW> the hopes of getting your service terminated, with additional reports to your | DW> ISP periodically thereafter, and then followed by a complaint filed with | DW> appropriate Law Enforcement. | | DW> You see, there are much better ways of evaluating a service provider than what | DW> could be considered a DDOS or intrusion attempt. | | ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=i:4:138310 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com
Re: Auto Pinging Script?
For 15 pings? Sheesh man...just filter icmp and be done with it if that's the way you feel. How are you counting and triggering the events? I could see doing this with IDS, but would think doing something like that on the router would cause performance issues if the counter window was long enough. Hell, it would probably make the router easier to DOS...lol To answer the original question...I recommend something along the lines of IPSwitch's WhatsUp, or one of the web based services out there. -- jon mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wednesday, September 24, 2003, 2:18:56 PM, you wrote: DW> You do this on my domain(s) and on the sixth ping you would be locked out of DW> access to the system, and on the 15th ping, you would be reported to your ISP in DW> the hopes of getting your service terminated, with additional reports to your DW> ISP periodically thereafter, and then followed by a complaint filed with DW> appropriate Law Enforcement. DW> You see, there are much better ways of evaluating a service provider than what DW> could be considered a DDOS or intrusion attempt. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=i:4:138308 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
RE: Auto Pinging Script?
Doug White wrote: >You do this on my domain(s) and .. a complaint filed with appropriate Law Enforcement All he wants is a server monitor. Common as dirt; ethical and legal. Check out CF_SitePeeker in the DevEx to use as a free server monitor. http://mysecretbase.com/page_48.html And cf_UpTimeMonger as a separate tool will measure actual downtime within a minute. I used the latter tool in a BBB complaint against Interland (!) years ago, and during the settlement conference they whined about the use of a 1-minute interval being a burden, all I had to do was ask "Are you saying your server can't handle one hit per minute?". End of foolish argument (here's the actual server report): http://foohbar.org/DownTimeReport.htm SitePeeker also has a report function that can maintain itself. I set mine to purge entries older than one day, and its been running for about 2 years without maintenance. Matt Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbase.com ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=i:4:138307 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
Re: Auto Pinging Script?
You do this on my domain(s) and on the sixth ping you would be locked out of access to the system, and on the 15th ping, you would be reported to your ISP in the hopes of getting your service terminated, with additional reports to your ISP periodically thereafter, and then followed by a complaint filed with appropriate Law Enforcement. You see, there are much better ways of evaluating a service provider than what could be considered a DDOS or intrusion attempt. == Stop spam on your domain, use our gateway! For hosting solutions http://www.clickdoug.com Featuring Win2003 Enterprise, RedHat Linux, CFMX 6.1 and all databases. ISP rated: http://www.forta.com/cf/isp/isp.cfm?isp_id=772 Suggested corporate Anti-virus policy: http://www.dshield.org/antivirus.pdf == If you are not satisfied with my service, my job isn't done! - Original Message - From: "Nick Baker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 10:10 AM Subject: Auto Pinging Script? | We need to evaluate the performance of some CF hosting services. One angle | I would like to try is to setup an automatic pinging script and ping sample | domains hosted by the hosting services at intervals over a period. Note: I | am aware that pinging is often used for denial of service, but that is not | what this is about. | | Any ideas or suggestions? Maybe a script or a Web site that provides this | service? | | Thanks, | | Nick | | ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=i:4:138301 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
