RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being
I have to agree that CF is easier and faster to use than ASP. However, ASP does have the advantage of PWS. Does CF have an equivalent? I started out with ASP, then used CF for two years, and now I'm using ASP again. I'm not ecstatic about it, but I have found a couple of advantages: 1. Thanks to PWS, if I want to work from home, I can just copy the ASP site to my home computer. With CF I had to work across a cable connection which slowed things down a bit. Of course, I have to access the database over the network either way, but the web files can be retrieved and saved faster with PWS. 2. One of our web sites is not only used by people on-line, but also by field personnel who use laptops, and have to upload and download data. Thanks to PWS and MSDE, they will be able to use the same ASP pages as the on-line users, while using DTS to transfer data back and fourth. In a similar situation with CF, we had to develop a separate Access application for the field team members. Some other more obvious advantages is that ASP is free and can be developed in a simple word processor, if need be. Microsoft is also a huge name, whether you like them or not, and it doesn't hurt to know how to user their technology. Marianne Daye Programmer/Analyst -Original Message- From: Thane Sherrington [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 3:09 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being At 12:06 PM 4/3/02 -0800, David Schmidt wrote: If he's willing to fork the bucks for the training. Grab hold, hang on, and take what you can learn. A cold hearted approach (but I think wise) would be to get the training paid for, and then move to a company that is more reasonable. T __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being
1. PWS? What I don't get it. PWS is a web server. Sure ASP is built in, but you can get a FREE Developer version of CF Enterprise and it can work in conjunction with PWS. Where's the problem here? 2. Again if you install the free version of CF on the laptop I doubt this would be an issue. Though I question having an entire web application on a laptop. If anything I would have given them the information they needed in another form and made life easier to upload data to the rest of the application. Sure you pay for CF, but we already knew this. Not everyone can have 75% of the world's desktop so they can just offer things for free. I don't see why you can't program CF in a word processor, matter of fact a lot of my debugging is on notepad when I am offsite. Sure I love CF Studio, but it is in no means required. I don't understand some of the issues you brought up here. Please explain better. Robert Everland III Dixon Ticonderoga Web Developer Extraordinaire -Original Message- From: Daye, Marianne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:11 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being I have to agree that CF is easier and faster to use than ASP. However, ASP does have the advantage of PWS. Does CF have an equivalent? I started out with ASP, then used CF for two years, and now I'm using ASP again. I'm not ecstatic about it, but I have found a couple of advantages: 1. Thanks to PWS, if I want to work from home, I can just copy the ASP site to my home computer. With CF I had to work across a cable connection which slowed things down a bit. Of course, I have to access the database over the network either way, but the web files can be retrieved and saved faster with PWS. 2. One of our web sites is not only used by people on-line, but also by field personnel who use laptops, and have to upload and download data. Thanks to PWS and MSDE, they will be able to use the same ASP pages as the on-line users, while using DTS to transfer data back and fourth. In a similar situation with CF, we had to develop a separate Access application for the field team members. Some other more obvious advantages is that ASP is free and can be developed in a simple word processor, if need be. Microsoft is also a huge name, whether you like them or not, and it doesn't hurt to know how to user their technology. Marianne Daye Programmer/Analyst -Original Message- From: Thane Sherrington [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 3:09 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being At 12:06 PM 4/3/02 -0800, David Schmidt wrote: If he's willing to fork the bucks for the training. Grab hold, hang on, and take what you can learn. A cold hearted approach (but I think wise) would be to get the training paid for, and then move to a company that is more reasonable. T __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being
I agree Robert. Basicaly CF is quicker to develop in and has easier syntax and hence is often the prefference. I find the main reason for this is it is much easier to debug using CF than ASP which is a pain in the backside. I develop in both and the only areas that ASP wins is when you are integrating with COM objects and when you want to manipulate recordset and sql statements as the objects avaliable to you using ADO beat cfquery/storedproc hands down. -Original Message- From: Robert Everland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 April 2002 15:15 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being 1. PWS? What I don't get it. PWS is a web server. Sure ASP is built in, but you can get a FREE Developer version of CF Enterprise and it can work in conjunction with PWS. Where's the problem here? 2. Again if you install the free version of CF on the laptop I doubt this would be an issue. Though I question having an entire web application on a laptop. If anything I would have given them the information they needed in another form and made life easier to upload data to the rest of the application. Sure you pay for CF, but we already knew this. Not everyone can have 75% of the world's desktop so they can just offer things for free. I don't see why you can't program CF in a word processor, matter of fact a lot of my debugging is on notepad when I am offsite. Sure I love CF Studio, but it is in no means required. I don't understand some of the issues you brought up here. Please explain better. Robert Everland III Dixon Ticonderoga Web Developer Extraordinaire -Original Message- From: Daye, Marianne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:11 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being I have to agree that CF is easier and faster to use than ASP. However, ASP does have the advantage of PWS. Does CF have an equivalent? I started out with ASP, then used CF for two years, and now I'm using ASP again. I'm not ecstatic about it, but I have found a couple of advantages: 1. Thanks to PWS, if I want to work from home, I can just copy the ASP site to my home computer. With CF I had to work across a cable connection which slowed things down a bit. Of course, I have to access the database over the network either way, but the web files can be retrieved and saved faster with PWS. 2. One of our web sites is not only used by people on-line, but also by field personnel who use laptops, and have to upload and download data. Thanks to PWS and MSDE, they will be able to use the same ASP pages as the on-line users, while using DTS to transfer data back and fourth. In a similar situation with CF, we had to develop a separate Access application for the field team members. Some other more obvious advantages is that ASP is free and can be developed in a simple word processor, if need be. Microsoft is also a huge name, whether you like them or not, and it doesn't hurt to know how to user their technology. Marianne Daye Programmer/Analyst -Original Message- From: Thane Sherrington [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 3:09 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being At 12:06 PM 4/3/02 -0800, David Schmidt wrote: If he's willing to fork the bucks for the training. Grab hold, hang on, and take what you can learn. A cold hearted approach (but I think wise) would be to get the training paid for, and then move to a company that is more reasonable. T __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being
CF equivalent to PWS is PWS. You can use PWS with CF. I do all my development on my local PC by copying the CF site to my home computer. The best thing to do is know the technology you are using. On Thu, 4 Apr 2002, Daye, Marianne wrote: I have to agree that CF is easier and faster to use than ASP. However, ASP does have the advantage of PWS. Does CF have an equivalent? I started out with ASP, then used CF for two years, and now I'm using ASP again. I'm not ecstatic about it, but I have found a couple of advantages: 1. Thanks to PWS, if I want to work from home, I can just copy the ASP site to my home computer. With CF I had to work across a cable connection which slowed things down a bit. Of course, I have to access the database over the network either way, but the web files can be retrieved and saved faster with PWS. 2. One of our web sites is not only used by people on-line, but also by field personnel who use laptops, and have to upload and download data. Thanks to PWS and MSDE, they will be able to use the same ASP pages as the on-line users, while using DTS to transfer data back and fourth. In a similar situation with CF, we had to develop a separate Access application for the field team members. Some other more obvious advantages is that ASP is free and can be developed in a simple word processor, if need be. Microsoft is also a huge name, whether you like them or not, and it doesn't hurt to know how to user their technology. Marianne Daye Programmer/Analyst -Original Message- From: Thane Sherrington [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 3:09 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being At 12:06 PM 4/3/02 -0800, David Schmidt wrote: If he's willing to fork the bucks for the training. Grab hold, hang on, and take what you can learn. A cold hearted approach (but I think wise) would be to get the training paid for, and then move to a company that is more reasonable. T __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being
Pardon me! I hadn't heard of CF Enterprise. Hence the question Does CF have an equivalent?. If I ever get to code in CF again I'll have to look into that. I don't know what it is you don't get, but as a part-time telecommuter, I prefer not to have to rely on a remote server while developing. As for using the web site on the laptop, the application contains a lengthy survey that relies on skip-logic; not something we would want to do over in another format (gets expensive). I have no interest in debating whether or not it's 'fair' that ASP is free. For the young beginner or hobbyist, it's may be the only affordable option to get started! Yeah, I guess you can develop CF in Notepad as well; just never did. Scratch that point. Have a nice day! Marianne -Original Message- From: Robert Everland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:15 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being 1. PWS? What I don't get it. PWS is a web server. Sure ASP is built in, but you can get a FREE Developer version of CF Enterprise and it can work in conjunction with PWS. Where's the problem here? 2. Again if you install the free version of CF on the laptop I doubt this would be an issue. Though I question having an entire web application on a laptop. If anything I would have given them the information they needed in another form and made life easier to upload data to the rest of the application. Sure you pay for CF, but we already knew this. Not everyone can have 75% of the world's desktop so they can just offer things for free. I don't see why you can't program CF in a word processor, matter of fact a lot of my debugging is on notepad when I am offsite. Sure I love CF Studio, but it is in no means required. I don't understand some of the issues you brought up here. Please explain better. Robert Everland III Dixon Ticonderoga Web Developer Extraordinaire -Original Message- From: Daye, Marianne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:11 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being I have to agree that CF is easier and faster to use than ASP. However, ASP does have the advantage of PWS. Does CF have an equivalent? I started out with ASP, then used CF for two years, and now I'm using ASP again. I'm not ecstatic about it, but I have found a couple of advantages: 1. Thanks to PWS, if I want to work from home, I can just copy the ASP site to my home computer. With CF I had to work across a cable connection which slowed things down a bit. Of course, I have to access the database over the network either way, but the web files can be retrieved and saved faster with PWS. 2. One of our web sites is not only used by people on-line, but also by field personnel who use laptops, and have to upload and download data. Thanks to PWS and MSDE, they will be able to use the same ASP pages as the on-line users, while using DTS to transfer data back and fourth. In a similar situation with CF, we had to develop a separate Access application for the field team members. Some other more obvious advantages is that ASP is free and can be developed in a simple word processor, if need be. Microsoft is also a huge name, whether you like them or not, and it doesn't hurt to know how to user their technology. Marianne Daye Programmer/Analyst -Original Message- From: Thane Sherrington [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 3:09 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being At 12:06 PM 4/3/02 -0800, David Schmidt wrote: If he's willing to fork the bucks for the training. Grab hold, hang on, and take what you can learn. A cold hearted approach (but I think wise) would be to get the training paid for, and then move to a company that is more reasonable. T __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being
Where is this Free version of coldfusion. are you referring to CF Express? Anthony Petruzzi Webmaster 954-321-4703 http://www.sheriff.org -Original Message- From: Daye, Marianne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 10:36 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being Pardon me! I hadn't heard of CF Enterprise. Hence the question Does CF have an equivalent?. If I ever get to code in CF again I'll have to look into that. I don't know what it is you don't get, but as a part-time telecommuter, I prefer not to have to rely on a remote server while developing. As for using the web site on the laptop, the application contains a lengthy survey that relies on skip-logic; not something we would want to do over in another format (gets expensive). I have no interest in debating whether or not it's 'fair' that ASP is free. For the young beginner or hobbyist, it's may be the only affordable option to get started! Yeah, I guess you can develop CF in Notepad as well; just never did. Scratch that point. Have a nice day! Marianne -Original Message- From: Robert Everland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:15 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being 1. PWS? What I don't get it. PWS is a web server. Sure ASP is built in, but you can get a FREE Developer version of CF Enterprise and it can work in conjunction with PWS. Where's the problem here? 2. Again if you install the free version of CF on the laptop I doubt this would be an issue. Though I question having an entire web application on a laptop. If anything I would have given them the information they needed in another form and made life easier to upload data to the rest of the application. Sure you pay for CF, but we already knew this. Not everyone can have 75% of the world's desktop so they can just offer things for free. I don't see why you can't program CF in a word processor, matter of fact a lot of my debugging is on notepad when I am offsite. Sure I love CF Studio, but it is in no means required. I don't understand some of the issues you brought up here. Please explain better. Robert Everland III Dixon Ticonderoga Web Developer Extraordinaire -Original Message- From: Daye, Marianne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:11 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being I have to agree that CF is easier and faster to use than ASP. However, ASP does have the advantage of PWS. Does CF have an equivalent? I started out with ASP, then used CF for two years, and now I'm using ASP again. I'm not ecstatic about it, but I have found a couple of advantages: 1. Thanks to PWS, if I want to work from home, I can just copy the ASP site to my home computer. With CF I had to work across a cable connection which slowed things down a bit. Of course, I have to access the database over the network either way, but the web files can be retrieved and saved faster with PWS. 2. One of our web sites is not only used by people on-line, but also by field personnel who use laptops, and have to upload and download data. Thanks to PWS and MSDE, they will be able to use the same ASP pages as the on-line users, while using DTS to transfer data back and fourth. In a similar situation with CF, we had to develop a separate Access application for the field team members. Some other more obvious advantages is that ASP is free and can be developed in a simple word processor, if need be. Microsoft is also a huge name, whether you like them or not, and it doesn't hurt to know how to user their technology. Marianne Daye Programmer/Analyst -Original Message- From: Thane Sherrington [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 3:09 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being At 12:06 PM 4/3/02 -0800, David Schmidt wrote: If he's willing to fork the bucks for the training. Grab hold, hang on, and take what you can learn. A cold hearted approach (but I think wise) would be to get the training paid for, and then move to a company that is more reasonable. T __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being
No - you can get a one single licence of CF server - in fact doesn't it come on the CD in the back of the Forta book? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 April 2002 16:34 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being Where is this Free version of coldfusion. are you referring to CF Express? Anthony Petruzzi Webmaster 954-321-4703 http://www.sheriff.org -Original Message- From: Daye, Marianne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 10:36 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being Pardon me! I hadn't heard of CF Enterprise. Hence the question Does CF have an equivalent?. If I ever get to code in CF again I'll have to look into that. I don't know what it is you don't get, but as a part-time telecommuter, I prefer not to have to rely on a remote server while developing. As for using the web site on the laptop, the application contains a lengthy survey that relies on skip-logic; not something we would want to do over in another format (gets expensive). I have no interest in debating whether or not it's 'fair' that ASP is free. For the young beginner or hobbyist, it's may be the only affordable option to get started! Yeah, I guess you can develop CF in Notepad as well; just never did. Scratch that point. Have a nice day! Marianne -Original Message- From: Robert Everland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:15 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being 1. PWS? What I don't get it. PWS is a web server. Sure ASP is built in, but you can get a FREE Developer version of CF Enterprise and it can work in conjunction with PWS. Where's the problem here? 2. Again if you install the free version of CF on the laptop I doubt this would be an issue. Though I question having an entire web application on a laptop. If anything I would have given them the information they needed in another form and made life easier to upload data to the rest of the application. Sure you pay for CF, but we already knew this. Not everyone can have 75% of the world's desktop so they can just offer things for free. I don't see why you can't program CF in a word processor, matter of fact a lot of my debugging is on notepad when I am offsite. Sure I love CF Studio, but it is in no means required. I don't understand some of the issues you brought up here. Please explain better. Robert Everland III Dixon Ticonderoga Web Developer Extraordinaire -Original Message- From: Daye, Marianne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:11 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being I have to agree that CF is easier and faster to use than ASP. However, ASP does have the advantage of PWS. Does CF have an equivalent? I started out with ASP, then used CF for two years, and now I'm using ASP again. I'm not ecstatic about it, but I have found a couple of advantages: 1. Thanks to PWS, if I want to work from home, I can just copy the ASP site to my home computer. With CF I had to work across a cable connection which slowed things down a bit. Of course, I have to access the database over the network either way, but the web files can be retrieved and saved faster with PWS. 2. One of our web sites is not only used by people on-line, but also by field personnel who use laptops, and have to upload and download data. Thanks to PWS and MSDE, they will be able to use the same ASP pages as the on-line users, while using DTS to transfer data back and fourth. In a similar situation with CF, we had to develop a separate Access application for the field team members. Some other more obvious advantages is that ASP is free and can be developed in a simple word processor, if need be. Microsoft is also a huge name, whether you like them or not, and it doesn't hurt to know how to user their technology. Marianne Daye Programmer/Analyst -Original Message- From: Thane Sherrington [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 3:09 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being At 12:06 PM 4/3/02 -0800, David Schmidt wrote: If he's willing to fork the bucks for the training. Grab hold, hang on, and take what you can learn. A cold hearted approach (but I think wise) would be to get the training paid for, and then move to a company that is more reasonable. T __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being
This is great! So do you have to use that in conjunction with CF Enterprise as Robert mentioned? -Original Message- From: Alex [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 10:21 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being CF equivalent to PWS is PWS. You can use PWS with CF. I do all my development on my local PC by copying the CF site to my home computer. The best thing to do is know the technology you are using. On Thu, 4 Apr 2002, Daye, Marianne wrote: I have to agree that CF is easier and faster to use than ASP. However, ASP does have the advantage of PWS. Does CF have an equivalent? I started out with ASP, then used CF for two years, and now I'm using ASP again. I'm not ecstatic about it, but I have found a couple of advantages: 1. Thanks to PWS, if I want to work from home, I can just copy the ASP site to my home computer. With CF I had to work across a cable connection which slowed things down a bit. Of course, I have to access the database over the network either way, but the web files can be retrieved and saved faster with PWS. 2. One of our web sites is not only used by people on-line, but also by field personnel who use laptops, and have to upload and download data. Thanks to PWS and MSDE, they will be able to use the same ASP pages as the on-line users, while using DTS to transfer data back and fourth. In a similar situation with CF, we had to develop a separate Access application for the field team members. Some other more obvious advantages is that ASP is free and can be developed in a simple word processor, if need be. Microsoft is also a huge name, whether you like them or not, and it doesn't hurt to know how to user their technology. Marianne Daye Programmer/Analyst -Original Message- From: Thane Sherrington [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 3:09 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being At 12:06 PM 4/3/02 -0800, David Schmidt wrote: If he's willing to fork the bucks for the training. Grab hold, hang on, and take what you can learn. A cold hearted approach (but I think wise) would be to get the training paid for, and then move to a company that is more reasonable. T __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being
Or ya can download it :) -Original Message- From: Andy Ewings [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 7:42 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being No - you can get a one single licence of CF server - in fact doesn't it come on the CD in the back of the Forta book? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 April 2002 16:34 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being Where is this Free version of coldfusion. are you referring to CF Express? Anthony Petruzzi Webmaster 954-321-4703 http://www.sheriff.org -Original Message- From: Daye, Marianne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 10:36 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being Pardon me! I hadn't heard of CF Enterprise. Hence the question Does CF have an equivalent?. If I ever get to code in CF again I'll have to look into that. I don't know what it is you don't get, but as a part-time telecommuter, I prefer not to have to rely on a remote server while developing. As for using the web site on the laptop, the application contains a lengthy survey that relies on skip-logic; not something we would want to do over in another format (gets expensive). I have no interest in debating whether or not it's 'fair' that ASP is free. For the young beginner or hobbyist, it's may be the only affordable option to get started! Yeah, I guess you can develop CF in Notepad as well; just never did. Scratch that point. Have a nice day! Marianne -Original Message- From: Robert Everland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:15 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being 1. PWS? What I don't get it. PWS is a web server. Sure ASP is built in, but you can get a FREE Developer version of CF Enterprise and it can work in conjunction with PWS. Where's the problem here? 2. Again if you install the free version of CF on the laptop I doubt this would be an issue. Though I question having an entire web application on a laptop. If anything I would have given them the information they needed in another form and made life easier to upload data to the rest of the application. Sure you pay for CF, but we already knew this. Not everyone can have 75% of the world's desktop so they can just offer things for free. I don't see why you can't program CF in a word processor, matter of fact a lot of my debugging is on notepad when I am offsite. Sure I love CF Studio, but it is in no means required. I don't understand some of the issues you brought up here. Please explain better. Robert Everland III Dixon Ticonderoga Web Developer Extraordinaire -Original Message- From: Daye, Marianne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:11 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being I have to agree that CF is easier and faster to use than ASP. However, ASP does have the advantage of PWS. Does CF have an equivalent? I started out with ASP, then used CF for two years, and now I'm using ASP again. I'm not ecstatic about it, but I have found a couple of advantages: 1. Thanks to PWS, if I want to work from home, I can just copy the ASP site to my home computer. With CF I had to work across a cable connection which slowed things down a bit. Of course, I have to access the database over the network either way, but the web files can be retrieved and saved faster with PWS. 2. One of our web sites is not only used by people on-line, but also by field personnel who use laptops, and have to upload and download data. Thanks to PWS and MSDE, they will be able to use the same ASP pages as the on-line users, while using DTS to transfer data back and fourth. In a similar situation with CF, we had to develop a separate Access application for the field team members. Some other more obvious advantages is that ASP is free and can be developed in a simple word processor, if need be. Microsoft is also a huge name, whether you like them or not, and it doesn't hurt to know how to user their technology. Marianne Daye Programmer/Analyst -Original Message- From: Thane Sherrington [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 3:09 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being At 12:06 PM 4/3/02 -0800, David Schmidt wrote: If he's willing to fork the bucks for the training. Grab hold, hang on, and take what you can learn. A cold hearted approach (but I think wise) would be to get the training paid for, and then move to a company that is more reasonable. T __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being
You can use CF Express, but it is a little limiting, but CF5 is free as a 1 connection developmental server that you can install at home and use, but only allowed 1 connection, which would be yourself. Well, I guess I could use it for my personal home page as well, since I am the only one that ever visits it, lol Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 7:34 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being Where is this Free version of coldfusion. are you referring to CF Express? Anthony Petruzzi Webmaster 954-321-4703 http://www.sheriff.org -Original Message- From: Daye, Marianne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 10:36 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being Pardon me! I hadn't heard of CF Enterprise. Hence the question Does CF have an equivalent?. If I ever get to code in CF again I'll have to look into that. I don't know what it is you don't get, but as a part-time telecommuter, I prefer not to have to rely on a remote server while developing. As for using the web site on the laptop, the application contains a lengthy survey that relies on skip-logic; not something we would want to do over in another format (gets expensive). I have no interest in debating whether or not it's 'fair' that ASP is free. For the young beginner or hobbyist, it's may be the only affordable option to get started! Yeah, I guess you can develop CF in Notepad as well; just never did. Scratch that point. Have a nice day! Marianne -Original Message- From: Robert Everland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:15 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being 1. PWS? What I don't get it. PWS is a web server. Sure ASP is built in, but you can get a FREE Developer version of CF Enterprise and it can work in conjunction with PWS. Where's the problem here? 2. Again if you install the free version of CF on the laptop I doubt this would be an issue. Though I question having an entire web application on a laptop. If anything I would have given them the information they needed in another form and made life easier to upload data to the rest of the application. Sure you pay for CF, but we already knew this. Not everyone can have 75% of the world's desktop so they can just offer things for free. I don't see why you can't program CF in a word processor, matter of fact a lot of my debugging is on notepad when I am offsite. Sure I love CF Studio, but it is in no means required. I don't understand some of the issues you brought up here. Please explain better. Robert Everland III Dixon Ticonderoga Web Developer Extraordinaire -Original Message- From: Daye, Marianne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:11 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being I have to agree that CF is easier and faster to use than ASP. However, ASP does have the advantage of PWS. Does CF have an equivalent? I started out with ASP, then used CF for two years, and now I'm using ASP again. I'm not ecstatic about it, but I have found a couple of advantages: 1. Thanks to PWS, if I want to work from home, I can just copy the ASP site to my home computer. With CF I had to work across a cable connection which slowed things down a bit. Of course, I have to access the database over the network either way, but the web files can be retrieved and saved faster with PWS. 2. One of our web sites is not only used by people on-line, but also by field personnel who use laptops, and have to upload and download data. Thanks to PWS and MSDE, they will be able to use the same ASP pages as the on-line users, while using DTS to transfer data back and fourth. In a similar situation with CF, we had to develop a separate Access application for the field team members. Some other more obvious advantages is that ASP is free and can be developed in a simple word processor, if need be. Microsoft is also a huge name, whether you like them or not, and it doesn't hurt to know how to user their technology. Marianne Daye Programmer/Analyst -Original Message- From: Thane Sherrington [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 3:09 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being At 12:06 PM 4/3/02 -0800, David Schmidt wrote: If he's willing to fork the bucks for the training. Grab hold, hang on, and take what you can learn. A cold hearted approach (but I think wise) would be to get the training paid for, and then move to a company that is more reasonable. T __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk
RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being
I know about that one. But in defense of Marianne, i don't think you can take that cd and install it on more than one machine per the license agreement. am i wrong about this? if not, that would be great. i had to port an entire application from CF to html/vbscript since we didn't want to buy licenses for cf for 1400 laptops (that would be insane). this could be a problem solver. Anthony Petruzzi Webmaster 954-321-4703 http://www.sheriff.org -Original Message- From: Andy Ewings [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 10:42 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being No - you can get a one single licence of CF server - in fact doesn't it come on the CD in the back of the Forta book? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 April 2002 16:34 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being Where is this Free version of coldfusion. are you referring to CF Express? Anthony Petruzzi Webmaster 954-321-4703 http://www.sheriff.org -Original Message- From: Daye, Marianne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 10:36 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being Pardon me! I hadn't heard of CF Enterprise. Hence the question Does CF have an equivalent?. If I ever get to code in CF again I'll have to look into that. I don't know what it is you don't get, but as a part-time telecommuter, I prefer not to have to rely on a remote server while developing. As for using the web site on the laptop, the application contains a lengthy survey that relies on skip-logic; not something we would want to do over in another format (gets expensive). I have no interest in debating whether or not it's 'fair' that ASP is free. For the young beginner or hobbyist, it's may be the only affordable option to get started! Yeah, I guess you can develop CF in Notepad as well; just never did. Scratch that point. Have a nice day! Marianne -Original Message- From: Robert Everland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:15 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being 1. PWS? What I don't get it. PWS is a web server. Sure ASP is built in, but you can get a FREE Developer version of CF Enterprise and it can work in conjunction with PWS. Where's the problem here? 2. Again if you install the free version of CF on the laptop I doubt this would be an issue. Though I question having an entire web application on a laptop. If anything I would have given them the information they needed in another form and made life easier to upload data to the rest of the application. Sure you pay for CF, but we already knew this. Not everyone can have 75% of the world's desktop so they can just offer things for free. I don't see why you can't program CF in a word processor, matter of fact a lot of my debugging is on notepad when I am offsite. Sure I love CF Studio, but it is in no means required. I don't understand some of the issues you brought up here. Please explain better. Robert Everland III Dixon Ticonderoga Web Developer Extraordinaire -Original Message- From: Daye, Marianne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:11 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being I have to agree that CF is easier and faster to use than ASP. However, ASP does have the advantage of PWS. Does CF have an equivalent? I started out with ASP, then used CF for two years, and now I'm using ASP again. I'm not ecstatic about it, but I have found a couple of advantages: 1. Thanks to PWS, if I want to work from home, I can just copy the ASP site to my home computer. With CF I had to work across a cable connection which slowed things down a bit. Of course, I have to access the database over the network either way, but the web files can be retrieved and saved faster with PWS. 2. One of our web sites is not only used by people on-line, but also by field personnel who use laptops, and have to upload and download data. Thanks to PWS and MSDE, they will be able to use the same ASP pages as the on-line users, while using DTS to transfer data back and fourth. In a similar situation with CF, we had to develop a separate Access application for the field team members. Some other more obvious advantages is that ASP is free and can be developed in a simple word processor, if need be. Microsoft is also a huge name, whether you like them or not, and it doesn't hurt to know how to user their technology. Marianne Daye Programmer/Analyst -Original Message- From: Thane Sherrington [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 3:09 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being At 12:06 PM 4/3/02 -0800, David Schmidt wrote: If he's willing to fork the bucks for the training. Grab hold, hang on, and take what you can learn. A cold hearted approach (but I think wise) would be to get
RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being
He is taliking about the Developers version... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:34 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being Where is this Free version of coldfusion. are you referring to CF Express? Anthony Petruzzi Webmaster 954-321-4703 http://www.sheriff.org -Original Message- From: Daye, Marianne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 10:36 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being Pardon me! I hadn't heard of CF Enterprise. Hence the question Does CF have an equivalent?. If I ever get to code in CF again I'll have to look into that. I don't know what it is you don't get, but as a part-time telecommuter, I prefer not to have to rely on a remote server while developing. As for using the web site on the laptop, the application contains a lengthy survey that relies on skip-logic; not something we would want to do over in another format (gets expensive). I have no interest in debating whether or not it's 'fair' that ASP is free. For the young beginner or hobbyist, it's may be the only affordable option to get started! Yeah, I guess you can develop CF in Notepad as well; just never did. Scratch that point. Have a nice day! Marianne -Original Message- From: Robert Everland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:15 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being 1. PWS? What I don't get it. PWS is a web server. Sure ASP is built in, but you can get a FREE Developer version of CF Enterprise and it can work in conjunction with PWS. Where's the problem here? 2. Again if you install the free version of CF on the laptop I doubt this would be an issue. Though I question having an entire web application on a laptop. If anything I would have given them the information they needed in another form and made life easier to upload data to the rest of the application. Sure you pay for CF, but we already knew this. Not everyone can have 75% of the world's desktop so they can just offer things for free. I don't see why you can't program CF in a word processor, matter of fact a lot of my debugging is on notepad when I am offsite. Sure I love CF Studio, but it is in no means required. I don't understand some of the issues you brought up here. Please explain better. Robert Everland III Dixon Ticonderoga Web Developer Extraordinaire -Original Message- From: Daye, Marianne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:11 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being I have to agree that CF is easier and faster to use than ASP. However, ASP does have the advantage of PWS. Does CF have an equivalent? I started out with ASP, then used CF for two years, and now I'm using ASP again. I'm not ecstatic about it, but I have found a couple of advantages: 1. Thanks to PWS, if I want to work from home, I can just copy the ASP site to my home computer. With CF I had to work across a cable connection which slowed things down a bit. Of course, I have to access the database over the network either way, but the web files can be retrieved and saved faster with PWS. 2. One of our web sites is not only used by people on-line, but also by field personnel who use laptops, and have to upload and download data. Thanks to PWS and MSDE, they will be able to use the same ASP pages as the on-line users, while using DTS to transfer data back and fourth. In a similar situation with CF, we had to develop a separate Access application for the field team members. Some other more obvious advantages is that ASP is free and can be developed in a simple word processor, if need be. Microsoft is also a huge name, whether you like them or not, and it doesn't hurt to know how to user their technology. Marianne Daye Programmer/Analyst -Original Message- From: Thane Sherrington [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 3:09 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being At 12:06 PM 4/3/02 -0800, David Schmidt wrote: If he's willing to fork the bucks for the training. Grab hold, hang on, and take what you can learn. A cold hearted approach (but I think wise) would be to get the training paid for, and then move to a company that is more reasonable. T __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being
I think people are confusing the CF Enterprise with the 1 user license. CF Enterprise is a version of CF server just with less tags supported. so if you are not using the full tag list then this may be your bag -Original Message- From: Robert Bailey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 April 2002 16:46 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being You can use CF Express, but it is a little limiting, but CF5 is free as a 1 connection developmental server that you can install at home and use, but only allowed 1 connection, which would be yourself. Well, I guess I could use it for my personal home page as well, since I am the only one that ever visits it, lol Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 7:34 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being Where is this Free version of coldfusion. are you referring to CF Express? Anthony Petruzzi Webmaster 954-321-4703 http://www.sheriff.org -Original Message- From: Daye, Marianne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 10:36 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being Pardon me! I hadn't heard of CF Enterprise. Hence the question Does CF have an equivalent?. If I ever get to code in CF again I'll have to look into that. I don't know what it is you don't get, but as a part-time telecommuter, I prefer not to have to rely on a remote server while developing. As for using the web site on the laptop, the application contains a lengthy survey that relies on skip-logic; not something we would want to do over in another format (gets expensive). I have no interest in debating whether or not it's 'fair' that ASP is free. For the young beginner or hobbyist, it's may be the only affordable option to get started! Yeah, I guess you can develop CF in Notepad as well; just never did. Scratch that point. Have a nice day! Marianne -Original Message- From: Robert Everland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:15 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being 1. PWS? What I don't get it. PWS is a web server. Sure ASP is built in, but you can get a FREE Developer version of CF Enterprise and it can work in conjunction with PWS. Where's the problem here? 2. Again if you install the free version of CF on the laptop I doubt this would be an issue. Though I question having an entire web application on a laptop. If anything I would have given them the information they needed in another form and made life easier to upload data to the rest of the application. Sure you pay for CF, but we already knew this. Not everyone can have 75% of the world's desktop so they can just offer things for free. I don't see why you can't program CF in a word processor, matter of fact a lot of my debugging is on notepad when I am offsite. Sure I love CF Studio, but it is in no means required. I don't understand some of the issues you brought up here. Please explain better. Robert Everland III Dixon Ticonderoga Web Developer Extraordinaire -Original Message- From: Daye, Marianne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:11 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being I have to agree that CF is easier and faster to use than ASP. However, ASP does have the advantage of PWS. Does CF have an equivalent? I started out with ASP, then used CF for two years, and now I'm using ASP again. I'm not ecstatic about it, but I have found a couple of advantages: 1. Thanks to PWS, if I want to work from home, I can just copy the ASP site to my home computer. With CF I had to work across a cable connection which slowed things down a bit. Of course, I have to access the database over the network either way, but the web files can be retrieved and saved faster with PWS. 2. One of our web sites is not only used by people on-line, but also by field personnel who use laptops, and have to upload and download data. Thanks to PWS and MSDE, they will be able to use the same ASP pages as the on-line users, while using DTS to transfer data back and fourth. In a similar situation with CF, we had to develop a separate Access application for the field team members. Some other more obvious advantages is that ASP is free and can be developed in a simple word processor, if need be. Microsoft is also a huge name, whether you like them or not, and it doesn't hurt to know how to user their technology. Marianne Daye Programmer/Analyst -Original Message- From: Thane Sherrington [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 3:09 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being At 12:06 PM 4/3/02 -0800, David Schmidt wrote: If he's willing to fork the bucks for the training. Grab hold, hang on, and take what you can learn. A cold hearted approach (but I think wise) would be to get the training paid for, and then move
RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being
I don't know what it is you don't get, but as a part-time telecommuter, I prefer not to have to rely on a remote server while developing. So do I. Fortunately, I can do that with CF just as easily as with ASP. Both work through IIS, and CF can use other web servers as well, such as Apache. I have no interest in debating whether or not it's 'fair' that ASP is free. For the young beginner or hobbyist, it's may be the only affordable option to get started! There are lots of free CGI engines, in addition to ASP, which isn't really free anyway - you have to buy Windows! For learning CF, you might just use the free single-user Developer Edition of CF, which provides all of the functionality of CF Enterprise Edition, but can only be accessed by a single user. Obviously, you couldn't use this for deployed applications on a real web server, but it's great for working on your laptop. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being
Well there has always been a CF Enterprise, but MM listens to us on the group and when we whined and said there wasn't anything free for us to develop in they offered us a development version of CF Enterprise. It allows you to use CF Enterprise in it's full functionality, no features taken away. You just can only use it for one ip address. http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/trial/trial_cf_server.html http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/trial/faq/#200 Robert Everland III Dixon Ticonderoga Web Developer Extraordinaire -Original Message- From: Daye, Marianne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 10:36 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being Pardon me! I hadn't heard of CF Enterprise. Hence the question Does CF have an equivalent?. If I ever get to code in CF again I'll have to look into that. I don't know what it is you don't get, but as a part-time telecommuter, I prefer not to have to rely on a remote server while developing. As for using the web site on the laptop, the application contains a lengthy survey that relies on skip-logic; not something we would want to do over in another format (gets expensive). I have no interest in debating whether or not it's 'fair' that ASP is free. For the young beginner or hobbyist, it's may be the only affordable option to get started! Yeah, I guess you can develop CF in Notepad as well; just never did. Scratch that point. Have a nice day! Marianne -Original Message- From: Robert Everland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:15 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being 1. PWS? What I don't get it. PWS is a web server. Sure ASP is built in, but you can get a FREE Developer version of CF Enterprise and it can work in conjunction with PWS. Where's the problem here? 2. Again if you install the free version of CF on the laptop I doubt this would be an issue. Though I question having an entire web application on a laptop. If anything I would have given them the information they needed in another form and made life easier to upload data to the rest of the application. Sure you pay for CF, but we already knew this. Not everyone can have 75% of the world's desktop so they can just offer things for free. I don't see why you can't program CF in a word processor, matter of fact a lot of my debugging is on notepad when I am offsite. Sure I love CF Studio, but it is in no means required. I don't understand some of the issues you brought up here. Please explain better. Robert Everland III Dixon Ticonderoga Web Developer Extraordinaire -Original Message- From: Daye, Marianne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:11 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being I have to agree that CF is easier and faster to use than ASP. However, ASP does have the advantage of PWS. Does CF have an equivalent? I started out with ASP, then used CF for two years, and now I'm using ASP again. I'm not ecstatic about it, but I have found a couple of advantages: 1. Thanks to PWS, if I want to work from home, I can just copy the ASP site to my home computer. With CF I had to work across a cable connection which slowed things down a bit. Of course, I have to access the database over the network either way, but the web files can be retrieved and saved faster with PWS. 2. One of our web sites is not only used by people on-line, but also by field personnel who use laptops, and have to upload and download data. Thanks to PWS and MSDE, they will be able to use the same ASP pages as the on-line users, while using DTS to transfer data back and fourth. In a similar situation with CF, we had to develop a separate Access application for the field team members. Some other more obvious advantages is that ASP is free and can be developed in a simple word processor, if need be. Microsoft is also a huge name, whether you like them or not, and it doesn't hurt to know how to user their technology. Marianne Daye Programmer/Analyst -Original Message- From: Thane Sherrington [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 3:09 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being At 12:06 PM 4/3/02 -0800, David Schmidt wrote: If he's willing to fork the bucks for the training. Grab hold, hang on, and take what you can learn. A cold hearted approach (but I think wise) would be to get the training paid for, and then move to a company that is more reasonable. T __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being
I think you're confusing your Enterprise with your Babylon 5 Andy - CF Express - limited but free, CF Professional - full version but does not allow clustering, CF Enterprise - full version, but also allows clustering and beaming stuff up.. :) J -Original Message- From: Andy Ewings [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 16:49 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being I think people are confusing the CF Enterprise with the 1 user license. CF Enterprise is a version of CF server just with less tags supported. so if you are not using the full tag list then this may be your bag -Original Message- From: Robert Bailey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 April 2002 16:46 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being You can use CF Express, but it is a little limiting, but CF5 is free as a 1 connection developmental server that you can install at home and use, but only allowed 1 connection, which would be yourself. Well, I guess I could use it for my personal home page as well, since I am the only one that ever visits it, lol Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 7:34 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being Where is this Free version of coldfusion. are you referring to CF Express? Anthony Petruzzi Webmaster 954-321-4703 http://www.sheriff.org -Original Message- From: Daye, Marianne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 10:36 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being Pardon me! I hadn't heard of CF Enterprise. Hence the question Does CF have an equivalent?. If I ever get to code in CF again I'll have to look into that. I don't know what it is you don't get, but as a part-time telecommuter, I prefer not to have to rely on a remote server while developing. As for using the web site on the laptop, the application contains a lengthy survey that relies on skip-logic; not something we would want to do over in another format (gets expensive). I have no interest in debating whether or not it's 'fair' that ASP is free. For the young beginner or hobbyist, it's may be the only affordable option to get started! Yeah, I guess you can develop CF in Notepad as well; just never did. Scratch that point. Have a nice day! Marianne -Original Message- From: Robert Everland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:15 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being 1. PWS? What I don't get it. PWS is a web server. Sure ASP is built in, but you can get a FREE Developer version of CF Enterprise and it can work in conjunction with PWS. Where's the problem here? 2. Again if you install the free version of CF on the laptop I doubt this would be an issue. Though I question having an entire web application on a laptop. If anything I would have given them the information they needed in another form and made life easier to upload data to the rest of the application. Sure you pay for CF, but we already knew this. Not everyone can have 75% of the world's desktop so they can just offer things for free. I don't see why you can't program CF in a word processor, matter of fact a lot of my debugging is on notepad when I am offsite. Sure I love CF Studio, but it is in no means required. I don't understand some of the issues you brought up here. Please explain better. Robert Everland III Dixon Ticonderoga Web Developer Extraordinaire -Original Message- From: Daye, Marianne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:11 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being I have to agree that CF is easier and faster to use than ASP. However, ASP does have the advantage of PWS. Does CF have an equivalent? I started out with ASP, then used CF for two years, and now I'm using ASP again. I'm not ecstatic about it, but I have found a couple of advantages: 1. Thanks to PWS, if I want to work from home, I can just copy the ASP site to my home computer. With CF I had to work across a cable connection which slowed things down a bit. Of course, I have to access the database over the network either way, but the web files can be retrieved and saved faster with PWS. 2. One of our web sites is not only used by people on-line, but also by field personnel who use laptops, and have to upload and download data. Thanks to PWS and MSDE, they will be able to use the same ASP pages as the on-line users, while using DTS to transfer data back and fourth. In a similar situation with CF, we had to develop a separate Access application for the field team members. Some other more obvious advantages is that ASP is free and can be developed in a simple word processor, if need be. Microsoft is also a huge name, whether you like them or not, and it doesn't hurt to know how to user their technology. Marianne Daye Programmer/Analyst
RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being
I would imagine you could do this if your employees licensed their own copies, but then who knows. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 7:41 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being I know about that one. But in defense of Marianne, i don't think you can take that cd and install it on more than one machine per the license agreement. am i wrong about this? if not, that would be great. i had to port an entire application from CF to html/vbscript since we didn't want to buy licenses for cf for 1400 laptops (that would be insane). this could be a problem solver. Anthony Petruzzi Webmaster 954-321-4703 http://www.sheriff.org -Original Message- From: Andy Ewings [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 10:42 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being No - you can get a one single licence of CF server - in fact doesn't it come on the CD in the back of the Forta book? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 April 2002 16:34 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being Where is this Free version of coldfusion. are you referring to CF Express? Anthony Petruzzi Webmaster 954-321-4703 http://www.sheriff.org -Original Message- From: Daye, Marianne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 10:36 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being Pardon me! I hadn't heard of CF Enterprise. Hence the question Does CF have an equivalent?. If I ever get to code in CF again I'll have to look into that. I don't know what it is you don't get, but as a part-time telecommuter, I prefer not to have to rely on a remote server while developing. As for using the web site on the laptop, the application contains a lengthy survey that relies on skip-logic; not something we would want to do over in another format (gets expensive). I have no interest in debating whether or not it's 'fair' that ASP is free. For the young beginner or hobbyist, it's may be the only affordable option to get started! Yeah, I guess you can develop CF in Notepad as well; just never did. Scratch that point. Have a nice day! Marianne -Original Message- From: Robert Everland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:15 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being 1. PWS? What I don't get it. PWS is a web server. Sure ASP is built in, but you can get a FREE Developer version of CF Enterprise and it can work in conjunction with PWS. Where's the problem here? 2. Again if you install the free version of CF on the laptop I doubt this would be an issue. Though I question having an entire web application on a laptop. If anything I would have given them the information they needed in another form and made life easier to upload data to the rest of the application. Sure you pay for CF, but we already knew this. Not everyone can have 75% of the world's desktop so they can just offer things for free. I don't see why you can't program CF in a word processor, matter of fact a lot of my debugging is on notepad when I am offsite. Sure I love CF Studio, but it is in no means required. I don't understand some of the issues you brought up here. Please explain better. Robert Everland III Dixon Ticonderoga Web Developer Extraordinaire -Original Message- From: Daye, Marianne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:11 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being I have to agree that CF is easier and faster to use than ASP. However, ASP does have the advantage of PWS. Does CF have an equivalent? I started out with ASP, then used CF for two years, and now I'm using ASP again. I'm not ecstatic about it, but I have found a couple of advantages: 1. Thanks to PWS, if I want to work from home, I can just copy the ASP site to my home computer. With CF I had to work across a cable connection which slowed things down a bit. Of course, I have to access the database over the network either way, but the web files can be retrieved and saved faster with PWS. 2. One of our web sites is not only used by people on-line, but also by field personnel who use laptops, and have to upload and download data. Thanks to PWS and MSDE, they will be able to use the same ASP pages as the on-line users, while using DTS to transfer data back and fourth. In a similar situation with CF, we had to develop a separate Access application for the field team members. Some other more obvious advantages is that ASP is free and can be developed in a simple word processor, if need be. Microsoft is also a huge name, whether you like them or not, and it doesn't hurt to know how to user their technology. Marianne Daye Programmer/Analyst -Original Message- From: Thane Sherrington [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 3:09 PM
RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being
You're thinking of CF Express. CF Enterprise is CF Professional with a ton of extra features. Check out the comparison matrix. http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/productinfo/datasheets_briefs/ Robert Everland III Dixon Ticonderoga Web Developer Extraordinaire -Original Message- From: Andy Ewings [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 10:49 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being I think people are confusing the CF Enterprise with the 1 user license. CF Enterprise is a version of CF server just with less tags supported. so if you are not using the full tag list then this may be your bag -Original Message- From: Robert Bailey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 April 2002 16:46 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being You can use CF Express, but it is a little limiting, but CF5 is free as a 1 connection developmental server that you can install at home and use, but only allowed 1 connection, which would be yourself. Well, I guess I could use it for my personal home page as well, since I am the only one that ever visits it, lol Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 7:34 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being Where is this Free version of coldfusion. are you referring to CF Express? Anthony Petruzzi Webmaster 954-321-4703 http://www.sheriff.org -Original Message- From: Daye, Marianne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 10:36 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being Pardon me! I hadn't heard of CF Enterprise. Hence the question Does CF have an equivalent?. If I ever get to code in CF again I'll have to look into that. I don't know what it is you don't get, but as a part-time telecommuter, I prefer not to have to rely on a remote server while developing. As for using the web site on the laptop, the application contains a lengthy survey that relies on skip-logic; not something we would want to do over in another format (gets expensive). I have no interest in debating whether or not it's 'fair' that ASP is free. For the young beginner or hobbyist, it's may be the only affordable option to get started! Yeah, I guess you can develop CF in Notepad as well; just never did. Scratch that point. Have a nice day! Marianne -Original Message- From: Robert Everland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:15 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being 1. PWS? What I don't get it. PWS is a web server. Sure ASP is built in, but you can get a FREE Developer version of CF Enterprise and it can work in conjunction with PWS. Where's the problem here? 2. Again if you install the free version of CF on the laptop I doubt this would be an issue. Though I question having an entire web application on a laptop. If anything I would have given them the information they needed in another form and made life easier to upload data to the rest of the application. Sure you pay for CF, but we already knew this. Not everyone can have 75% of the world's desktop so they can just offer things for free. I don't see why you can't program CF in a word processor, matter of fact a lot of my debugging is on notepad when I am offsite. Sure I love CF Studio, but it is in no means required. I don't understand some of the issues you brought up here. Please explain better. Robert Everland III Dixon Ticonderoga Web Developer Extraordinaire -Original Message- From: Daye, Marianne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:11 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being I have to agree that CF is easier and faster to use than ASP. However, ASP does have the advantage of PWS. Does CF have an equivalent? I started out with ASP, then used CF for two years, and now I'm using ASP again. I'm not ecstatic about it, but I have found a couple of advantages: 1. Thanks to PWS, if I want to work from home, I can just copy the ASP site to my home computer. With CF I had to work across a cable connection which slowed things down a bit. Of course, I have to access the database over the network either way, but the web files can be retrieved and saved faster with PWS. 2. One of our web sites is not only used by people on-line, but also by field personnel who use laptops, and have to upload and download data. Thanks to PWS and MSDE, they will be able to use the same ASP pages as the on-line users, while using DTS to transfer data back and fourth. In a similar situation with CF, we had to develop a separate Access application for the field team members. Some other more obvious advantages is that ASP is free and can be developed in a simple word processor, if need be. Microsoft is also a huge name, whether you like them or not, and it doesn't hurt to know how to user their technology. Marianne Daye
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Yup I am.I meant to say CF Express!.good spot J - deliberate mistake you understand! -Original Message- From: James Maltby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 April 2002 16:53 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being I think you're confusing your Enterprise with your Babylon 5 Andy - CF Express - limited but free, CF Professional - full version but does not allow clustering, CF Enterprise - full version, but also allows clustering and beaming stuff up.. :) J -Original Message- From: Andy Ewings [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 16:49 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being I think people are confusing the CF Enterprise with the 1 user license. CF Enterprise is a version of CF server just with less tags supported. so if you are not using the full tag list then this may be your bag -Original Message- From: Robert Bailey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 April 2002 16:46 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being You can use CF Express, but it is a little limiting, but CF5 is free as a 1 connection developmental server that you can install at home and use, but only allowed 1 connection, which would be yourself. Well, I guess I could use it for my personal home page as well, since I am the only one that ever visits it, lol Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 7:34 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being Where is this Free version of coldfusion. are you referring to CF Express? Anthony Petruzzi Webmaster 954-321-4703 http://www.sheriff.org -Original Message- From: Daye, Marianne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 10:36 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being Pardon me! I hadn't heard of CF Enterprise. Hence the question Does CF have an equivalent?. If I ever get to code in CF again I'll have to look into that. I don't know what it is you don't get, but as a part-time telecommuter, I prefer not to have to rely on a remote server while developing. As for using the web site on the laptop, the application contains a lengthy survey that relies on skip-logic; not something we would want to do over in another format (gets expensive). I have no interest in debating whether or not it's 'fair' that ASP is free. For the young beginner or hobbyist, it's may be the only affordable option to get started! Yeah, I guess you can develop CF in Notepad as well; just never did. Scratch that point. Have a nice day! Marianne -Original Message- From: Robert Everland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:15 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being 1. PWS? What I don't get it. PWS is a web server. Sure ASP is built in, but you can get a FREE Developer version of CF Enterprise and it can work in conjunction with PWS. Where's the problem here? 2. Again if you install the free version of CF on the laptop I doubt this would be an issue. Though I question having an entire web application on a laptop. If anything I would have given them the information they needed in another form and made life easier to upload data to the rest of the application. Sure you pay for CF, but we already knew this. Not everyone can have 75% of the world's desktop so they can just offer things for free. I don't see why you can't program CF in a word processor, matter of fact a lot of my debugging is on notepad when I am offsite. Sure I love CF Studio, but it is in no means required. I don't understand some of the issues you brought up here. Please explain better. Robert Everland III Dixon Ticonderoga Web Developer Extraordinaire -Original Message- From: Daye, Marianne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:11 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being I have to agree that CF is easier and faster to use than ASP. However, ASP does have the advantage of PWS. Does CF have an equivalent? I started out with ASP, then used CF for two years, and now I'm using ASP again. I'm not ecstatic about it, but I have found a couple of advantages: 1. Thanks to PWS, if I want to work from home, I can just copy the ASP site to my home computer. With CF I had to work across a cable connection which slowed things down a bit. Of course, I have to access the database over the network either way, but the web files can be retrieved and saved faster with PWS. 2. One of our web sites is not only used by people on-line, but also by field personnel who use laptops, and have to upload and download data. Thanks to PWS and MSDE, they will be able to use the same ASP pages as the on-line users, while using DTS to transfer data back and fourth. In a similar situation with CF, we had to develop a separate Access application for the field team members. Some other more obvious
RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being
ColdFusion Express is the one with limited features. ColdFusion Enterprise is the version of CF with the most features. At 04:49 PM 4/4/2002 +0100, you wrote: I think people are confusing the CF Enterprise with the 1 user license. CF Enterprise is a version of CF server just with less tags supported. so if you are not using the full tag list then this may be your bag -Original Message- From: Robert Bailey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 April 2002 16:46 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being You can use CF Express, but it is a little limiting, but CF5 is free as a 1 connection developmental server that you can install at home and use, but only allowed 1 connection, which would be yourself. Well, I guess I could use it for my personal home page as well, since I am the only one that ever visits it, lol Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 7:34 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being Where is this Free version of coldfusion. are you referring to CF Express? Anthony Petruzzi Webmaster 954-321-4703 http://www.sheriff.org -Original Message- From: Daye, Marianne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 10:36 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being Pardon me! I hadn't heard of CF Enterprise. Hence the question Does CF have an equivalent?. If I ever get to code in CF again I'll have to look into that. I don't know what it is you don't get, but as a part-time telecommuter, I prefer not to have to rely on a remote server while developing. As for using the web site on the laptop, the application contains a lengthy survey that relies on skip-logic; not something we would want to do over in another format (gets expensive). I have no interest in debating whether or not it's 'fair' that ASP is free. For the young beginner or hobbyist, it's may be the only affordable option to get started! Yeah, I guess you can develop CF in Notepad as well; just never did. Scratch that point. Have a nice day! Marianne -Original Message- From: Robert Everland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:15 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being 1. PWS? What I don't get it. PWS is a web server. Sure ASP is built in, but you can get a FREE Developer version of CF Enterprise and it can work in conjunction with PWS. Where's the problem here? 2. Again if you install the free version of CF on the laptop I doubt this would be an issue. Though I question having an entire web application on a laptop. If anything I would have given them the information they needed in another form and made life easier to upload data to the rest of the application. Sure you pay for CF, but we already knew this. Not everyone can have 75% of the world's desktop so they can just offer things for free. I don't see why you can't program CF in a word processor, matter of fact a lot of my debugging is on notepad when I am offsite. Sure I love CF Studio, but it is in no means required. I don't understand some of the issues you brought up here. Please explain better. Robert Everland III Dixon Ticonderoga Web Developer Extraordinaire -Original Message- From: Daye, Marianne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:11 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being I have to agree that CF is easier and faster to use than ASP. However, ASP does have the advantage of PWS. Does CF have an equivalent? I started out with ASP, then used CF for two years, and now I'm using ASP again. I'm not ecstatic about it, but I have found a couple of advantages: 1. Thanks to PWS, if I want to work from home, I can just copy the ASP site to my home computer. With CF I had to work across a cable connection which slowed things down a bit. Of course, I have to access the database over the network either way, but the web files can be retrieved and saved faster with PWS. 2. One of our web sites is not only used by people on-line, but also by field personnel who use laptops, and have to upload and download data. Thanks to PWS and MSDE, they will be able to use the same ASP pages as the on-line users, while using DTS to transfer data back and fourth. In a similar situation with CF, we had to develop a separate Access application for the field team members. Some other more obvious advantages is that ASP is free and can be developed in a simple word processor, if need be. Microsoft is also a huge name, whether you like them or not, and it doesn't hurt to know how to user their technology. Marianne Daye Programmer/Analyst -Original Message- From: Thane Sherrington [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 3:09 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being At 12:06 PM 4/3/02 -0800, David Schmidt wrote: If he's willing to fork the bucks
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for single user development purposes CF is free. there are alot of free editors available to develop CF in. a hobbyist can get started with any language. As far as I know they are almost all free and can be used on a free OS. There is no barrier to entry. On Thu, 4 Apr 2002, Daye, Marianne wrote: Pardon me! I hadn't heard of CF Enterprise. Hence the question Does CF have an equivalent?. If I ever get to code in CF again I'll have to look into that. I don't know what it is you don't get, but as a part-time telecommuter, I prefer not to have to rely on a remote server while developing. As for using the web site on the laptop, the application contains a lengthy survey that relies on skip-logic; not something we would want to do over in another format (gets expensive). I have no interest in debating whether or not it's 'fair' that ASP is free. For the young beginner or hobbyist, it's may be the only affordable option to get started! Yeah, I guess you can develop CF in Notepad as well; just never did. Scratch that point. Have a nice day! Marianne -Original Message- From: Robert Everland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:15 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being 1. PWS? What I don't get it. PWS is a web server. Sure ASP is built in, but you can get a FREE Developer version of CF Enterprise and it can work in conjunction with PWS. Where's the problem here? 2. Again if you install the free version of CF on the laptop I doubt this would be an issue. Though I question having an entire web application on a laptop. If anything I would have given them the information they needed in another form and made life easier to upload data to the rest of the application. Sure you pay for CF, but we already knew this. Not everyone can have 75% of the world's desktop so they can just offer things for free. I don't see why you can't program CF in a word processor, matter of fact a lot of my debugging is on notepad when I am offsite. Sure I love CF Studio, but it is in no means required. I don't understand some of the issues you brought up here. Please explain better. Robert Everland III Dixon Ticonderoga Web Developer Extraordinaire -Original Message- From: Daye, Marianne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:11 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being I have to agree that CF is easier and faster to use than ASP. However, ASP does have the advantage of PWS. Does CF have an equivalent? I started out with ASP, then used CF for two years, and now I'm using ASP again. I'm not ecstatic about it, but I have found a couple of advantages: 1. Thanks to PWS, if I want to work from home, I can just copy the ASP site to my home computer. With CF I had to work across a cable connection which slowed things down a bit. Of course, I have to access the database over the network either way, but the web files can be retrieved and saved faster with PWS. 2. One of our web sites is not only used by people on-line, but also by field personnel who use laptops, and have to upload and download data. Thanks to PWS and MSDE, they will be able to use the same ASP pages as the on-line users, while using DTS to transfer data back and fourth. In a similar situation with CF, we had to develop a separate Access application for the field team members. Some other more obvious advantages is that ASP is free and can be developed in a simple word processor, if need be. Microsoft is also a huge name, whether you like them or not, and it doesn't hurt to know how to user their technology. Marianne Daye Programmer/Analyst -Original Message- From: Thane Sherrington [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 3:09 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being At 12:06 PM 4/3/02 -0800, David Schmidt wrote: If he's willing to fork the bucks for the training. Grab hold, hang on, and take what you can learn. A cold hearted approach (but I think wise) would be to get the training paid for, and then move to a company that is more reasonable. T __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
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That does it!!! I'm gonna have to convert my new group to CF. ...Don't you just hate it when the new person tries to tell you how to run things?! Marianne -Original Message- From: Robert Everland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 10:49 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being Well there has always been a CF Enterprise, but MM listens to us on the group and when we whined and said there wasn't anything free for us to develop in they offered us a development version of CF Enterprise. It allows you to use CF Enterprise in it's full functionality, no features taken away. You just can only use it for one ip address. http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/trial/trial_cf_server.html http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/trial/faq/#200 Robert Everland III Dixon Ticonderoga Web Developer Extraordinaire -Original Message- From: Daye, Marianne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 10:36 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being Pardon me! I hadn't heard of CF Enterprise. Hence the question Does CF have an equivalent?. If I ever get to code in CF again I'll have to look into that. I don't know what it is you don't get, but as a part-time telecommuter, I prefer not to have to rely on a remote server while developing. As for using the web site on the laptop, the application contains a lengthy survey that relies on skip-logic; not something we would want to do over in another format (gets expensive). I have no interest in debating whether or not it's 'fair' that ASP is free. For the young beginner or hobbyist, it's may be the only affordable option to get started! Yeah, I guess you can develop CF in Notepad as well; just never did. Scratch that point. Have a nice day! Marianne -Original Message- From: Robert Everland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:15 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being 1. PWS? What I don't get it. PWS is a web server. Sure ASP is built in, but you can get a FREE Developer version of CF Enterprise and it can work in conjunction with PWS. Where's the problem here? 2. Again if you install the free version of CF on the laptop I doubt this would be an issue. Though I question having an entire web application on a laptop. If anything I would have given them the information they needed in another form and made life easier to upload data to the rest of the application. Sure you pay for CF, but we already knew this. Not everyone can have 75% of the world's desktop so they can just offer things for free. I don't see why you can't program CF in a word processor, matter of fact a lot of my debugging is on notepad when I am offsite. Sure I love CF Studio, but it is in no means required. I don't understand some of the issues you brought up here. Please explain better. Robert Everland III Dixon Ticonderoga Web Developer Extraordinaire -Original Message- From: Daye, Marianne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:11 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being I have to agree that CF is easier and faster to use than ASP. However, ASP does have the advantage of PWS. Does CF have an equivalent? I started out with ASP, then used CF for two years, and now I'm using ASP again. I'm not ecstatic about it, but I have found a couple of advantages: 1. Thanks to PWS, if I want to work from home, I can just copy the ASP site to my home computer. With CF I had to work across a cable connection which slowed things down a bit. Of course, I have to access the database over the network either way, but the web files can be retrieved and saved faster with PWS. 2. One of our web sites is not only used by people on-line, but also by field personnel who use laptops, and have to upload and download data. Thanks to PWS and MSDE, they will be able to use the same ASP pages as the on-line users, while using DTS to transfer data back and fourth. In a similar situation with CF, we had to develop a separate Access application for the field team members. Some other more obvious advantages is that ASP is free and can be developed in a simple word processor, if need be. Microsoft is also a huge name, whether you like them or not, and it doesn't hurt to know how to user their technology. Marianne Daye Programmer/Analyst -Original Message- From: Thane Sherrington [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 3:09 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being At 12:06 PM 4/3/02 -0800, David Schmidt wrote: If he's willing to fork the bucks for the training. Grab hold, hang on, and take what you can learn. A cold hearted approach (but I think wise) would be to get the training paid for, and then move to a company that is more reasonable. T __ Structure your
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On Thursday, April 4, 2002, at 07:54 AM, Dave Watts wrote: There are lots of free CGI engines, in addition to ASP, which isn't really free anyway - you have to buy Windows! Neither are the 3rd-party ASP add-ons free... those that give ASP capabilities that are built-in to CF! Dick __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
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Try http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/productinfo/competitive/. Jeff Whatcott Director, ColdFusion Business Team / Macromedia, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Robert Bailey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 2:31 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being And you would think that Allaire/Macromedia would have something of the sort posted on their website, but I could not find anything there Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 11:14 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being The only problem you have is that you are going to find alot of information comparing CF4.0 and ASP/IIS3.0. i would love to see a comparison between CF5.0, ASP/IIS5.0, and PHP4. Anthony Petruzzi Webmaster 954-321-4703 http://www.sheriff.org -Original Message- From: Robert Bailey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 2:13 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being Yeah, I thought this would get quite a bit of response, but I would really like the information to share with my current employer who wants to move from CF to ASP and get rid of CF, which I do not want to do at all, and I only know a little ASP, and from what I do know, I do not like it. Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 10:59 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being gentlemen (and ladies) start your engines Anthony Petruzzi Webmaster 954-321-4703 http://www.sheriff.org -Original Message- From: Robert Bailey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 2:03 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: CF VS ASP OK, I have been looking for some things on the net that shows the pros and cons of CF as opposed to ASP. Knowing very little ASP myself, I do not know the many differences. Anyone know where I can find this? Pretty much looking for development time differences, execution speed, security and scalability at a bare minimum. Anyone know where I can find this? Rob __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
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ColdFusion is available in 2 flavours : ColdFusion Server Professional ColdFusion Server Enterprise ColdFusion Enterprise is the largest/boldest of the family and has the most features. There IS a 30 day trial download of this product from the site which after 30 days expire it will turn into a single IP development version : i.e 127.0.0.1/192.168.0.1 You can freely use it for development but not for production! HTH Neil Team Macromedia Spectra __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
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gentlemen (and ladies) start your engines Anthony Petruzzi Webmaster 954-321-4703 http://www.sheriff.org -Original Message- From: Robert Bailey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 2:03 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: CF VS ASP OK, I have been looking for some things on the net that shows the pros and cons of CF as opposed to ASP. Knowing very little ASP myself, I do not know the many differences. Anyone know where I can find this? Pretty much looking for development time differences, execution speed, security and scalability at a bare minimum. Anyone know where I can find this? Rob __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
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actually let me take the first crack at this. if noone minds Can you say ADO Anthony Petruzzi Webmaster 954-321-4703 http://www.sheriff.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 1:59 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being gentlemen (and ladies) start your engines Anthony Petruzzi Webmaster 954-321-4703 http://www.sheriff.org -Original Message- From: Robert Bailey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 2:03 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: CF VS ASP OK, I have been looking for some things on the net that shows the pros and cons of CF as opposed to ASP. Knowing very little ASP myself, I do not know the many differences. Anyone know where I can find this? Pretty much looking for development time differences, execution speed, security and scalability at a bare minimum. Anyone know where I can find this? Rob __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
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Yeah, I thought this would get quite a bit of response, but I would really like the information to share with my current employer who wants to move from CF to ASP and get rid of CF, which I do not want to do at all, and I only know a little ASP, and from what I do know, I do not like it. Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 10:59 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being gentlemen (and ladies) start your engines Anthony Petruzzi Webmaster 954-321-4703 http://www.sheriff.org -Original Message- From: Robert Bailey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 2:03 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: CF VS ASP OK, I have been looking for some things on the net that shows the pros and cons of CF as opposed to ASP. Knowing very little ASP myself, I do not know the many differences. Anyone know where I can find this? Pretty much looking for development time differences, execution speed, security and scalability at a bare minimum. Anyone know where I can find this? Rob __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
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The only problem you have is that you are going to find alot of information comparing CF4.0 and ASP/IIS3.0. i would love to see a comparison between CF5.0, ASP/IIS5.0, and PHP4. Anthony Petruzzi Webmaster 954-321-4703 http://www.sheriff.org -Original Message- From: Robert Bailey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 2:13 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being Yeah, I thought this would get quite a bit of response, but I would really like the information to share with my current employer who wants to move from CF to ASP and get rid of CF, which I do not want to do at all, and I only know a little ASP, and from what I do know, I do not like it. Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 10:59 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being gentlemen (and ladies) start your engines Anthony Petruzzi Webmaster 954-321-4703 http://www.sheriff.org -Original Message- From: Robert Bailey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 2:03 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: CF VS ASP OK, I have been looking for some things on the net that shows the pros and cons of CF as opposed to ASP. Knowing very little ASP myself, I do not know the many differences. Anyone know where I can find this? Pretty much looking for development time differences, execution speed, security and scalability at a bare minimum. Anyone know where I can find this? Rob __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
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and on that note you should tell your boss there is a new version of CF comingall that can be said here is WOW...wait for it...can you say coool ;-) Bryan Stevenson VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. p. 250.920.8830 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Macromedia Associate Partner www.macromedia.com - Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group Founder Director www.cfug-vancouverisland.com - Original Message - From: Robert Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 11:12 AM Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being Yeah, I thought this would get quite a bit of response, but I would really like the information to share with my current employer who wants to move from CF to ASP and get rid of CF, which I do not want to do at all, and I only know a little ASP, and from what I do know, I do not like it. Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 10:59 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being gentlemen (and ladies) start your engines Anthony Petruzzi Webmaster 954-321-4703 http://www.sheriff.org -Original Message- From: Robert Bailey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 2:03 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: CF VS ASP OK, I have been looking for some things on the net that shows the pros and cons of CF as opposed to ASP. Knowing very little ASP myself, I do not know the many differences. Anyone know where I can find this? Pretty much looking for development time differences, execution speed, security and scalability at a bare minimum. Anyone know where I can find this? Rob __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
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Yeah, for sure, maybe some people need to get together and create that, we use PHP here as well, my opinion of PHP is worse then ASP, not very fond of it at all, but that is my opinion. Anything is better then PERL anyways, heh I think CF5 blows ASP out of the water, like comparing an old Married with Children type of Dodge to a Corvette Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 11:14 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being The only problem you have is that you are going to find alot of information comparing CF4.0 and ASP/IIS3.0. i would love to see a comparison between CF5.0, ASP/IIS5.0, and PHP4. Anthony Petruzzi Webmaster 954-321-4703 http://www.sheriff.org -Original Message- From: Robert Bailey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 2:13 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being Yeah, I thought this would get quite a bit of response, but I would really like the information to share with my current employer who wants to move from CF to ASP and get rid of CF, which I do not want to do at all, and I only know a little ASP, and from what I do know, I do not like it. Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 10:59 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being gentlemen (and ladies) start your engines Anthony Petruzzi Webmaster 954-321-4703 http://www.sheriff.org -Original Message- From: Robert Bailey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 2:03 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: CF VS ASP OK, I have been looking for some things on the net that shows the pros and cons of CF as opposed to ASP. Knowing very little ASP myself, I do not know the many differences. Anyone know where I can find this? Pretty much looking for development time differences, execution speed, security and scalability at a bare minimum. Anyone know where I can find this? Rob __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
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And you would think that Allaire/Macromedia would have something of the sort posted on their website, but I could not find anything there Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 11:14 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being The only problem you have is that you are going to find alot of information comparing CF4.0 and ASP/IIS3.0. i would love to see a comparison between CF5.0, ASP/IIS5.0, and PHP4. Anthony Petruzzi Webmaster 954-321-4703 http://www.sheriff.org -Original Message- From: Robert Bailey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 2:13 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being Yeah, I thought this would get quite a bit of response, but I would really like the information to share with my current employer who wants to move from CF to ASP and get rid of CF, which I do not want to do at all, and I only know a little ASP, and from what I do know, I do not like it. Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 10:59 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being gentlemen (and ladies) start your engines Anthony Petruzzi Webmaster 954-321-4703 http://www.sheriff.org -Original Message- From: Robert Bailey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 2:03 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: CF VS ASP OK, I have been looking for some things on the net that shows the pros and cons of CF as opposed to ASP. Knowing very little ASP myself, I do not know the many differences. Anyone know where I can find this? Pretty much looking for development time differences, execution speed, security and scalability at a bare minimum. Anyone know where I can find this? Rob __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being
Yeah, I have had the chance to play with Neo, very impressed, and I thought that CF5 was a big step from 4, amazing Rob -Original Message- From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 11:28 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being and on that note you should tell your boss there is a new version of CF comingall that can be said here is WOW...wait for it...can you say coool ;-) Bryan Stevenson VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. p. 250.920.8830 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Macromedia Associate Partner www.macromedia.com - Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group Founder Director www.cfug-vancouverisland.com - Original Message - From: Robert Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 11:12 AM Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being Yeah, I thought this would get quite a bit of response, but I would really like the information to share with my current employer who wants to move from CF to ASP and get rid of CF, which I do not want to do at all, and I only know a little ASP, and from what I do know, I do not like it. Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 10:59 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being gentlemen (and ladies) start your engines Anthony Petruzzi Webmaster 954-321-4703 http://www.sheriff.org -Original Message- From: Robert Bailey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 2:03 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: CF VS ASP OK, I have been looking for some things on the net that shows the pros and cons of CF as opposed to ASP. Knowing very little ASP myself, I do not know the many differences. Anyone know where I can find this? Pretty much looking for development time differences, execution speed, security and scalability at a bare minimum. Anyone know where I can find this? Rob __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being
Well there is this article by eweek that is probably the most recent comparison you are going to get. CF 4.5.1, ASP 5.0 PHP 4, Tomcat 3.2, And they give CF the nod. While still saying different tools for different jobs, might make sense. So we can only conjecture that they would have given CF 5.0 higher marks, since it has better performace. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 12:14 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being The only problem you have is that you are going to find alot of information comparing CF4.0 and ASP/IIS3.0. i would love to see a comparison between CF5.0, ASP/IIS5.0, and PHP4. Anthony Petruzzi Webmaster 954-321-4703 http://www.sheriff.org -Original Message- From: Robert Bailey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 2:13 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being Yeah, I thought this would get quite a bit of response, but I would really like the information to share with my current employer who wants to move from CF to ASP and get rid of CF, which I do not want to do at all, and I only know a little ASP, and from what I do know, I do not like it. Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 10:59 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being gentlemen (and ladies) start your engines Anthony Petruzzi Webmaster 954-321-4703 http://www.sheriff.org -Original Message- From: Robert Bailey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 2:03 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: CF VS ASP OK, I have been looking for some things on the net that shows the pros and cons of CF as opposed to ASP. Knowing very little ASP myself, I do not know the many differences. Anyone know where I can find this? Pretty much looking for development time differences, execution speed, security and scalability at a bare minimum. Anyone know where I can find this? Rob __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being
Forgot the link: http://techupdate.zdnet.com/techupdate/stories/main/0,14179,2646052,00.html -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 12:14 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being The only problem you have is that you are going to find alot of information comparing CF4.0 and ASP/IIS3.0. i would love to see a comparison between CF5.0, ASP/IIS5.0, and PHP4. Anthony Petruzzi Webmaster 954-321-4703 http://www.sheriff.org -Original Message- From: Robert Bailey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 2:13 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being Yeah, I thought this would get quite a bit of response, but I would really like the information to share with my current employer who wants to move from CF to ASP and get rid of CF, which I do not want to do at all, and I only know a little ASP, and from what I do know, I do not like it. Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 10:59 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being gentlemen (and ladies) start your engines Anthony Petruzzi Webmaster 954-321-4703 http://www.sheriff.org -Original Message- From: Robert Bailey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 2:03 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: CF VS ASP OK, I have been looking for some things on the net that shows the pros and cons of CF as opposed to ASP. Knowing very little ASP myself, I do not know the many differences. Anyone know where I can find this? Pretty much looking for development time differences, execution speed, security and scalability at a bare minimum. Anyone know where I can find this? Rob __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being
But I have made up my mind that if they kill Cold Fusion here I am not staying here any longer. It is mostly because we have a new manager that seems to be such a die hard ASP fan who swears it is better then CF even though he does not even know anything about CF. A little annoying, but I think since he is not the one that is doing any of the coding, he should really go with what us developers are wanting to work with. Maybe I am living in a dream like state when I think that managers will always pick the best product. -Original Message- From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 11:28 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being and on that note you should tell your boss there is a new version of CF comingall that can be said here is WOW...wait for it...can you say coool ;-) Bryan Stevenson VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. p. 250.920.8830 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Macromedia Associate Partner www.macromedia.com - Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group Founder Director www.cfug-vancouverisland.com - Original Message - From: Robert Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 11:12 AM Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being Yeah, I thought this would get quite a bit of response, but I would really like the information to share with my current employer who wants to move from CF to ASP and get rid of CF, which I do not want to do at all, and I only know a little ASP, and from what I do know, I do not like it. Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 10:59 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being gentlemen (and ladies) start your engines Anthony Petruzzi Webmaster 954-321-4703 http://www.sheriff.org -Original Message- From: Robert Bailey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 2:03 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: CF VS ASP OK, I have been looking for some things on the net that shows the pros and cons of CF as opposed to ASP. Knowing very little ASP myself, I do not know the many differences. Anyone know where I can find this? Pretty much looking for development time differences, execution speed, security and scalability at a bare minimum. Anyone know where I can find this? Rob __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being
Gasp, sputter, cough. Blasphemy! Heretic! Unbeliever! Nothing is better than perl. My fondest dream would be to be able to write perl (and real regex) within CF templates. And a good implementation of modperl within the CF Server. CFSCRIPT language=perl -- don't I wish! /CFSCRIPT Dreams I'll Never See - (can you name that band?) Jerry Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/03/02 02:29PM Yeah, for sure, maybe some people need to get together and create that, we use PHP here as well, my opinion of PHP is worse then ASP, not very fond of it at all, but that is my opinion. Anything is better then PERL anyways, heh I think CF5 blows ASP out of the water, like comparing an old Married with Children type of Dodge to a Corvette Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 11:14 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being The only problem you have is that you are going to find alot of information comparing CF4.0 and ASP/IIS3.0. i would love to see a comparison between CF5.0, ASP/IIS5.0, and PHP4. Anthony Petruzzi Webmaster 954-321-4703 http://www.sheriff.org -Original Message- From: Robert Bailey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 2:13 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being Yeah, I thought this would get quite a bit of response, but I would really like the information to share with my current employer who wants to move from CF to ASP and get rid of CF, which I do not want to do at all, and I only know a little ASP, and from what I do know, I do not like it. Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 10:59 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being gentlemen (and ladies) start your engines Anthony Petruzzi Webmaster 954-321-4703 http://www.sheriff.org -Original Message- From: Robert Bailey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 2:03 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: CF VS ASP OK, I have been looking for some things on the net that shows the pros and cons of CF as opposed to ASP. Knowing very little ASP myself, I do not know the many differences. Anyone know where I can find this? Pretty much looking for development time differences, execution speed, security and scalability at a bare minimum. Anyone know where I can find this? Rob __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being
here is an article from pcmagazine comparing a slew of web applications servers/languages... http://www.pcmag.com/article/0,2997,s=1611a=3125,00.asp The real question for me would be WHY ON EARTH would your current employer switch to ASP if you don't have any experience with it and they are currently using CF. Have they not seen the NEO faq? Or is this one of those mandate thingys? -Original Message- From: Robert Bailey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 1:13 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being Yeah, I thought this would get quite a bit of response, but I would really like the information to share with my current employer who wants to move from CF to ASP and get rid of CF, which I do not want to do at all, and I only know a little ASP, and from what I do know, I do not like it. Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 10:59 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being gentlemen (and ladies) start your engines Anthony Petruzzi Webmaster 954-321-4703 http://www.sheriff.org -Original Message- From: Robert Bailey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 2:03 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: CF VS ASP OK, I have been looking for some things on the net that shows the pros and cons of CF as opposed to ASP. Knowing very little ASP myself, I do not know the many differences. Anyone know where I can find this? Pretty much looking for development time differences, execution speed, security and scalability at a bare minimum. Anyone know where I can find this? Rob __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being
I'm sure a lot of people on this list are former ASP'ers. As one of them, I can tell you that life does not have to be that hard. Does he have specific ASP is better arguments? At our MMUG meeting yesterday, there was an ASP'er who was seeing how to connect to a database in CF for the first time. I talked to him afterward and he said that we kept asking himself where's the rest of the code? until he figured out that there wasn't any... Regards, Neil -Original Message- From: Robert Bailey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 2:37 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being But I have made up my mind that if they kill Cold Fusion here I am not staying here any longer. It is mostly because we have a new manager that seems to be such a die hard ASP fan who swears it is better then CF even though he does not even know anything about CF. A little annoying, but I think since he is not the one that is doing any of the coding, he should really go with what us developers are wanting to work with. Maybe I am living in a dream like state when I think that managers will always pick the best product. -Original Message- From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 11:28 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being and on that note you should tell your boss there is a new version of CF comingall that can be said here is WOW...wait for it...can you say coool ;-) Bryan Stevenson VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. p. 250.920.8830 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Macromedia Associate Partner www.macromedia.com - Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group Founder Director www.cfug-vancouverisland.com - Original Message - From: Robert Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 11:12 AM Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being Yeah, I thought this would get quite a bit of response, but I would really like the information to share with my current employer who wants to move from CF to ASP and get rid of CF, which I do not want to do at all, and I only know a little ASP, and from what I do know, I do not like it. Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 10:59 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being gentlemen (and ladies) start your engines Anthony Petruzzi Webmaster 954-321-4703 http://www.sheriff.org -Original Message- From: Robert Bailey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 2:03 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: CF VS ASP OK, I have been looking for some things on the net that shows the pros and cons of CF as opposed to ASP. Knowing very little ASP myself, I do not know the many differences. Anyone know where I can find this? Pretty much looking for development time differences, execution speed, security and scalability at a bare minimum. Anyone know where I can find this? Rob __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being
The new PERL sounds promising, and I would agree that it would be great to use modperl within CF, I started as a PERL developer. But if I had a choice to develop a program in CF or PERL, I would pick CF But that is my opinion, which only matters when I am home alone Rob -Original Message- From: Jerry Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 11:46 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being Gasp, sputter, cough. Blasphemy! Heretic! Unbeliever! Nothing is better than perl. My fondest dream would be to be able to write perl (and real regex) within CF templates. And a good implementation of modperl within the CF Server. CFSCRIPT language=perl -- don't I wish! /CFSCRIPT Dreams I'll Never See - (can you name that band?) Jerry Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/03/02 02:29PM Yeah, for sure, maybe some people need to get together and create that, we use PHP here as well, my opinion of PHP is worse then ASP, not very fond of it at all, but that is my opinion. Anything is better then PERL anyways, heh I think CF5 blows ASP out of the water, like comparing an old Married with Children type of Dodge to a Corvette Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 11:14 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being The only problem you have is that you are going to find alot of information comparing CF4.0 and ASP/IIS3.0. i would love to see a comparison between CF5.0, ASP/IIS5.0, and PHP4. Anthony Petruzzi Webmaster 954-321-4703 http://www.sheriff.org -Original Message- From: Robert Bailey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 2:13 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being Yeah, I thought this would get quite a bit of response, but I would really like the information to share with my current employer who wants to move from CF to ASP and get rid of CF, which I do not want to do at all, and I only know a little ASP, and from what I do know, I do not like it. Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 10:59 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being gentlemen (and ladies) start your engines Anthony Petruzzi Webmaster 954-321-4703 http://www.sheriff.org -Original Message- From: Robert Bailey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 2:03 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: CF VS ASP OK, I have been looking for some things on the net that shows the pros and cons of CF as opposed to ASP. Knowing very little ASP myself, I do not know the many differences. Anyone know where I can find this? Pretty much looking for development time differences, execution speed, security and scalability at a bare minimum. Anyone know where I can find this? Rob __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being
Have you pointed out the rapid development nature of CF? Talk their talk...faster development translates to lower development/maintenance costs. Talk like that usually grabs the suits attention ;-) Bryan Stevenson VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. p. 250.920.8830 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Macromedia Associate Partner www.macromedia.com - Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group Founder Director www.cfug-vancouverisland.com - Original Message - From: Robert Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 11:36 AM Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being But I have made up my mind that if they kill Cold Fusion here I am not staying here any longer. It is mostly because we have a new manager that seems to be such a die hard ASP fan who swears it is better then CF even though he does not even know anything about CF. A little annoying, but I think since he is not the one that is doing any of the coding, he should really go with what us developers are wanting to work with. Maybe I am living in a dream like state when I think that managers will always pick the best product. -Original Message- From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 11:28 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being and on that note you should tell your boss there is a new version of CF comingall that can be said here is WOW...wait for it...can you say coool ;-) Bryan Stevenson VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. p. 250.920.8830 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Macromedia Associate Partner www.macromedia.com - Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group Founder Director www.cfug-vancouverisland.com - Original Message - From: Robert Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 11:12 AM Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being Yeah, I thought this would get quite a bit of response, but I would really like the information to share with my current employer who wants to move from CF to ASP and get rid of CF, which I do not want to do at all, and I only know a little ASP, and from what I do know, I do not like it. Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 10:59 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being gentlemen (and ladies) start your engines Anthony Petruzzi Webmaster 954-321-4703 http://www.sheriff.org -Original Message- From: Robert Bailey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 2:03 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: CF VS ASP OK, I have been looking for some things on the net that shows the pros and cons of CF as opposed to ASP. Knowing very little ASP myself, I do not know the many differences. Anyone know where I can find this? Pretty much looking for development time differences, execution speed, security and scalability at a bare minimum. Anyone know where I can find this? Rob __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being
Here is a good URL that I came across: http://hotwired.lycos.com/webmonkey/99/46/index1a.html?tw=programming -Original Message- From: Jerry Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 11:46 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being Gasp, sputter, cough. Blasphemy! Heretic! Unbeliever! Nothing is better than perl. My fondest dream would be to be able to write perl (and real regex) within CF templates. And a good implementation of modperl within the CF Server. CFSCRIPT language=perl -- don't I wish! /CFSCRIPT Dreams I'll Never See - (can you name that band?) Jerry Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/03/02 02:29PM Yeah, for sure, maybe some people need to get together and create that, we use PHP here as well, my opinion of PHP is worse then ASP, not very fond of it at all, but that is my opinion. Anything is better then PERL anyways, heh I think CF5 blows ASP out of the water, like comparing an old Married with Children type of Dodge to a Corvette Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 11:14 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being The only problem you have is that you are going to find alot of information comparing CF4.0 and ASP/IIS3.0. i would love to see a comparison between CF5.0, ASP/IIS5.0, and PHP4. Anthony Petruzzi Webmaster 954-321-4703 http://www.sheriff.org -Original Message- From: Robert Bailey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 2:13 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being Yeah, I thought this would get quite a bit of response, but I would really like the information to share with my current employer who wants to move from CF to ASP and get rid of CF, which I do not want to do at all, and I only know a little ASP, and from what I do know, I do not like it. Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 10:59 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being gentlemen (and ladies) start your engines Anthony Petruzzi Webmaster 954-321-4703 http://www.sheriff.org -Original Message- From: Robert Bailey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 2:03 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: CF VS ASP OK, I have been looking for some things on the net that shows the pros and cons of CF as opposed to ASP. Knowing very little ASP myself, I do not know the many differences. Anyone know where I can find this? Pretty much looking for development time differences, execution speed, security and scalability at a bare minimum. Anyone know where I can find this? Rob __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being
Honestly, If he's willing to pay you to cross train in ASP, why complain? I'm assuming that you have already written a score of reports and tools that will all need to be translated into ASP and who would know the reports better than their author. ASP isn't that different from Cold Fusion. Cold Fusion takes care of quite a few loose ends and takes far less time to produce quick apps. So, if your new boss is dead-set on using ASP pick up a few kill weight manuals on ASP coding and rewrite one of your tools. Remeber, coders survive on being able to code. Managers survive on making good business decisions. You may well see a new manager in the not so distant future. Good Fortune, Richard Walters, Webmaster, Davita Laboratory Services [EMAIL PROTECTED] (800) 604-5227 x 3525 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/03/02 02:36PM But I have made up my mind that if they kill Cold Fusion here I am not staying here any longer. It is mostly because we have a new manager that seems to be such a die hard ASP fan who swears it is better then CF even though he does not even know anything about CF. A little annoying, but I think since he is not the one that is doing any of the coding, he should really go with what us developers are wanting to work with. Maybe I am living in a dream like state when I think that managers will always pick the best product. -Original Message- From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 11:28 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being and on that note you should tell your boss there is a new version of CF comingall that can be said here is WOW...wait for it...can you say coool ;-) Bryan Stevenson VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. p. 250.920.8830 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Macromedia Associate Partner www.macromedia.com - Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group Founder Director www.cfug-vancouverisland.com - Original Message - From: Robert Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 11:12 AM Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being Yeah, I thought this would get quite a bit of response, but I would really like the information to share with my current employer who wants to move from CF to ASP and get rid of CF, which I do not want to do at all, and I only know a little ASP, and from what I do know, I do not like it. Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 10:59 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being gentlemen (and ladies) start your engines Anthony Petruzzi Webmaster 954-321-4703 http://www.sheriff.org -Original Message- From: Robert Bailey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 2:03 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: CF VS ASP OK, I have been looking for some things on the net that shows the pros and cons of CF as opposed to ASP. Knowing very little ASP myself, I do not know the many differences. Anyone know where I can find this? Pretty much looking for development time differences, execution speed, security and scalability at a bare minimum. Anyone know where I can find this? Rob __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being
Alright, I will join the discussion here as well, except I will come at it from the standpoint of CFMX/Neo and ASP.NET. However, many of the same arguments are still valid from CF5 and ASP 3.0, such as multiple platform support for ColdFusion. I love the ColdFusion Component concept in CFMX, and the ability to call them as web services. ASP.NET has made HUGE strides over traditional ASP, especially in the management of DLL's (this is actually a benefit of the .NET Framework, not ASP.NET). Also, ADO.NET is greatly improved over traditional ADO. Lastly, with .NET, you have a suite of languages that can all talk to each other, pass data back and forth very easily, etc. However, ColdFusion still has more built-in functionality that I like. Its still easier, still faster to develop on, and CFMX is even faster than CF5. So which to go with? To me, it is still dependent on the application(s) you are developing, your web/app servers that you intend to run them on, and cost (including software purchase AND development time). If you are already a CF shop with little or no ASP background, stay with CF. I guarantee you that CFMX is worth the wait! Cheers, --Paul Paul W. Wille [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer --- ISITE Design, Inc. -- Solutions Architect www.isitedesign.com 615 SW Broadway, Suite 200 Portland, OR 97205 503.221.9860 x110 503.221.9865 -Original Message- From: Robert Bailey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 11:29 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being Yeah, for sure, maybe some people need to get together and create that, we use PHP here as well, my opinion of PHP is worse then ASP, not very fond of it at all, but that is my opinion. Anything is better then PERL anyways, heh I think CF5 blows ASP out of the water, like comparing an old Married with Children type of Dodge to a Corvette Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 11:14 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being The only problem you have is that you are going to find alot of information comparing CF4.0 and ASP/IIS3.0. i would love to see a comparison between CF5.0, ASP/IIS5.0, and PHP4. Anthony Petruzzi Webmaster 954-321-4703 http://www.sheriff.org -Original Message- From: Robert Bailey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 2:13 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being Yeah, I thought this would get quite a bit of response, but I would really like the information to share with my current employer who wants to move from CF to ASP and get rid of CF, which I do not want to do at all, and I only know a little ASP, and from what I do know, I do not like it. Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 10:59 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being gentlemen (and ladies) start your engines Anthony Petruzzi Webmaster 954-321-4703 http://www.sheriff.org -Original Message- From: Robert Bailey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 2:03 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: CF VS ASP OK, I have been looking for some things on the net that shows the pros and cons of CF as opposed to ASP. Knowing very little ASP myself, I do not know the many differences. Anyone know where I can find this? Pretty much looking for development time differences, execution speed, security and scalability at a bare minimum. Anyone know where I can find this? Rob __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being
Oh, well sure. Change the argument to doing something useful, like a develop a program, and maybe I'd choose CF. I suppose you want some user interface or data connectivity as well? What ever happended to stdout as an interface? Harumph! Jerry Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/03/02 02:45PM The new PERL sounds promising, and I would agree that it would be great to use modperl within CF, I started as a PERL developer. But if I had a choice to develop a program in CF or PERL, I would pick CF But that is my opinion, which only matters when I am home alone Rob -Original Message- From: Jerry Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 11:46 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being Gasp, sputter, cough. Blasphemy! Heretic! Unbeliever! Nothing is better than perl. My fondest dream would be to be able to write perl (and real regex) within CF templates. And a good implementation of modperl within the CF Server. CFSCRIPT language=perl -- don't I wish! /CFSCRIPT Dreams I'll Never See - (can you name that band?) Jerry Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/03/02 02:29PM Yeah, for sure, maybe some people need to get together and create that, we use PHP here as well, my opinion of PHP is worse then ASP, not very fond of it at all, but that is my opinion. Anything is better then PERL anyways, heh I think CF5 blows ASP out of the water, like comparing an old Married with Children type of Dodge to a Corvette Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 11:14 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being The only problem you have is that you are going to find alot of information comparing CF4.0 and ASP/IIS3.0. i would love to see a comparison between CF5.0, ASP/IIS5.0, and PHP4. Anthony Petruzzi Webmaster 954-321-4703 http://www.sheriff.org -Original Message- From: Robert Bailey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 2:13 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being Yeah, I thought this would get quite a bit of response, but I would really like the information to share with my current employer who wants to move from CF to ASP and get rid of CF, which I do not want to do at all, and I only know a little ASP, and from what I do know, I do not like it. Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 10:59 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being gentlemen (and ladies) start your engines Anthony Petruzzi Webmaster 954-321-4703 http://www.sheriff.org -Original Message- From: Robert Bailey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 2:03 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: CF VS ASP OK, I have been looking for some things on the net that shows the pros and cons of CF as opposed to ASP. Knowing very little ASP myself, I do not know the many differences. Anyone know where I can find this? Pretty much looking for development time differences, execution speed, security and scalability at a bare minimum. Anyone know where I can find this? Rob __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being
LOL...I love doing that to ASPersSOOoOOoo much fun...deer in headlights all the way ;-) Bryan Stevenson VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. p. 250.920.8830 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Macromedia Associate Partner www.macromedia.com - Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group Founder Director www.cfug-vancouverisland.com - Original Message - From: Neil Giarratana [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 11:44 AM Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being I'm sure a lot of people on this list are former ASP'ers. As one of them, I can tell you that life does not have to be that hard. Does he have specific ASP is better arguments? At our MMUG meeting yesterday, there was an ASP'er who was seeing how to connect to a database in CF for the first time. I talked to him afterward and he said that we kept asking himself where's the rest of the code? until he figured out that there wasn't any... Regards, Neil -Original Message- From: Robert Bailey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 2:37 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being But I have made up my mind that if they kill Cold Fusion here I am not staying here any longer. It is mostly because we have a new manager that seems to be such a die hard ASP fan who swears it is better then CF even though he does not even know anything about CF. A little annoying, but I think since he is not the one that is doing any of the coding, he should really go with what us developers are wanting to work with. Maybe I am living in a dream like state when I think that managers will always pick the best product. -Original Message- From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 11:28 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being and on that note you should tell your boss there is a new version of CF comingall that can be said here is WOW...wait for it...can you say coool ;-) Bryan Stevenson VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. p. 250.920.8830 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Macromedia Associate Partner www.macromedia.com - Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group Founder Director www.cfug-vancouverisland.com - Original Message - From: Robert Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 11:12 AM Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being Yeah, I thought this would get quite a bit of response, but I would really like the information to share with my current employer who wants to move from CF to ASP and get rid of CF, which I do not want to do at all, and I only know a little ASP, and from what I do know, I do not like it. Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 10:59 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being gentlemen (and ladies) start your engines Anthony Petruzzi Webmaster 954-321-4703 http://www.sheriff.org -Original Message- From: Robert Bailey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 2:03 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: CF VS ASP OK, I have been looking for some things on the net that shows the pros and cons of CF as opposed to ASP. Knowing very little ASP myself, I do not know the many differences. Anyone know where I can find this? Pretty much looking for development time differences, execution speed, security and scalability at a bare minimum. Anyone know where I can find this? Rob __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being
Mandate, that and a disillusioned view of ASP Rob -Original Message- From: Greg Jordan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 11:43 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being here is an article from pcmagazine comparing a slew of web applications servers/languages... http://www.pcmag.com/article/0,2997,s=1611a=3125,00.asp The real question for me would be WHY ON EARTH would your current employer switch to ASP if you don't have any experience with it and they are currently using CF. Have they not seen the NEO faq? Or is this one of those mandate thingys? -Original Message- From: Robert Bailey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 1:13 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being Yeah, I thought this would get quite a bit of response, but I would really like the information to share with my current employer who wants to move from CF to ASP and get rid of CF, which I do not want to do at all, and I only know a little ASP, and from what I do know, I do not like it. Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 10:59 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being gentlemen (and ladies) start your engines Anthony Petruzzi Webmaster 954-321-4703 http://www.sheriff.org -Original Message- From: Robert Bailey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 2:03 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: CF VS ASP OK, I have been looking for some things on the net that shows the pros and cons of CF as opposed to ASP. Knowing very little ASP myself, I do not know the many differences. Anyone know where I can find this? Pretty much looking for development time differences, execution speed, security and scalability at a bare minimum. Anyone know where I can find this? Rob __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being
Will they keep you on? You should be happy; you get paid to learn something new. On Wed, 3 Apr 2002, Robert Bailey wrote: Yeah, I thought this would get quite a bit of response, but I would really like the information to share with my current employer who wants to move from CF to ASP and get rid of CF, which I do not want to do at all, and I only know a little ASP, and from what I do know, I do not like it. Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 10:59 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being gentlemen (and ladies) start your engines Anthony Petruzzi Webmaster 954-321-4703 http://www.sheriff.org -Original Message- From: Robert Bailey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 2:03 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: CF VS ASP OK, I have been looking for some things on the net that shows the pros and cons of CF as opposed to ASP. Knowing very little ASP myself, I do not know the many differences. Anyone know where I can find this? Pretty much looking for development time differences, execution speed, security and scalability at a bare minimum. Anyone know where I can find this? Rob __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being
No arguments really, just close minded -Original Message- From: Neil Giarratana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 11:44 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being I'm sure a lot of people on this list are former ASP'ers. As one of them, I can tell you that life does not have to be that hard. Does he have specific ASP is better arguments? At our MMUG meeting yesterday, there was an ASP'er who was seeing how to connect to a database in CF for the first time. I talked to him afterward and he said that we kept asking himself where's the rest of the code? until he figured out that there wasn't any... Regards, Neil -Original Message- From: Robert Bailey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 2:37 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being But I have made up my mind that if they kill Cold Fusion here I am not staying here any longer. It is mostly because we have a new manager that seems to be such a die hard ASP fan who swears it is better then CF even though he does not even know anything about CF. A little annoying, but I think since he is not the one that is doing any of the coding, he should really go with what us developers are wanting to work with. Maybe I am living in a dream like state when I think that managers will always pick the best product. -Original Message- From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 11:28 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being and on that note you should tell your boss there is a new version of CF comingall that can be said here is WOW...wait for it...can you say coool ;-) Bryan Stevenson VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. p. 250.920.8830 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Macromedia Associate Partner www.macromedia.com - Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group Founder Director www.cfug-vancouverisland.com - Original Message - From: Robert Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 11:12 AM Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being Yeah, I thought this would get quite a bit of response, but I would really like the information to share with my current employer who wants to move from CF to ASP and get rid of CF, which I do not want to do at all, and I only know a little ASP, and from what I do know, I do not like it. Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 10:59 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being gentlemen (and ladies) start your engines Anthony Petruzzi Webmaster 954-321-4703 http://www.sheriff.org -Original Message- From: Robert Bailey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 2:03 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: CF VS ASP OK, I have been looking for some things on the net that shows the pros and cons of CF as opposed to ASP. Knowing very little ASP myself, I do not know the many differences. Anyone know where I can find this? Pretty much looking for development time differences, execution speed, security and scalability at a bare minimum. Anyone know where I can find this? Rob __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being
Yes, he knows we develop at a very fast pace, mostly thanks to the FuseBox specs. He wants me to learn ASP and create the intranet using ASP as opposed to CF, hm, that sounds like fun, all I can really do in ASP right now is retrieve and update data in a DB and send email, so I imagine I may have a lot to learn, at least he bought me some books, lol -Original Message- From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 11:47 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being Have you pointed out the rapid development nature of CF? Talk their talk...faster development translates to lower development/maintenance costs. Talk like that usually grabs the suits attention ;-) Bryan Stevenson VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. p. 250.920.8830 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Macromedia Associate Partner www.macromedia.com - Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group Founder Director www.cfug-vancouverisland.com - Original Message - From: Robert Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 11:36 AM Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being But I have made up my mind that if they kill Cold Fusion here I am not staying here any longer. It is mostly because we have a new manager that seems to be such a die hard ASP fan who swears it is better then CF even though he does not even know anything about CF. A little annoying, but I think since he is not the one that is doing any of the coding, he should really go with what us developers are wanting to work with. Maybe I am living in a dream like state when I think that managers will always pick the best product. -Original Message- From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 11:28 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being and on that note you should tell your boss there is a new version of CF comingall that can be said here is WOW...wait for it...can you say coool ;-) Bryan Stevenson VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. p. 250.920.8830 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Macromedia Associate Partner www.macromedia.com - Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group Founder Director www.cfug-vancouverisland.com - Original Message - From: Robert Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 11:12 AM Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being Yeah, I thought this would get quite a bit of response, but I would really like the information to share with my current employer who wants to move from CF to ASP and get rid of CF, which I do not want to do at all, and I only know a little ASP, and from what I do know, I do not like it. Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 10:59 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being gentlemen (and ladies) start your engines Anthony Petruzzi Webmaster 954-321-4703 http://www.sheriff.org -Original Message- From: Robert Bailey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 2:03 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: CF VS ASP OK, I have been looking for some things on the net that shows the pros and cons of CF as opposed to ASP. Knowing very little ASP myself, I do not know the many differences. Anyone know where I can find this? Pretty much looking for development time differences, execution speed, security and scalability at a bare minimum. Anyone know where I can find this? Rob __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being
Yes, I agree with you, but killing all of our CF is what is making me a little sour on the subject, would have no problem learning more of it, but to ask me to abandon CF totally gets to me since I am very fond of using CF Rob -Original Message- From: Rick Walters [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 11:46 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being Honestly, If he's willing to pay you to cross train in ASP, why complain? I'm assuming that you have already written a score of reports and tools that will all need to be translated into ASP and who would know the reports better than their author. ASP isn't that different from Cold Fusion. Cold Fusion takes care of quite a few loose ends and takes far less time to produce quick apps. So, if your new boss is dead-set on using ASP pick up a few kill weight manuals on ASP coding and rewrite one of your tools. Remeber, coders survive on being able to code. Managers survive on making good business decisions. You may well see a new manager in the not so distant future. Good Fortune, Richard Walters, Webmaster, Davita Laboratory Services [EMAIL PROTECTED] (800) 604-5227 x 3525 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/03/02 02:36PM But I have made up my mind that if they kill Cold Fusion here I am not staying here any longer. It is mostly because we have a new manager that seems to be such a die hard ASP fan who swears it is better then CF even though he does not even know anything about CF. A little annoying, but I think since he is not the one that is doing any of the coding, he should really go with what us developers are wanting to work with. Maybe I am living in a dream like state when I think that managers will always pick the best product. -Original Message- From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 11:28 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being and on that note you should tell your boss there is a new version of CF comingall that can be said here is WOW...wait for it...can you say coool ;-) Bryan Stevenson VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. p. 250.920.8830 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Macromedia Associate Partner www.macromedia.com - Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group Founder Director www.cfug-vancouverisland.com - Original Message - From: Robert Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 11:12 AM Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being Yeah, I thought this would get quite a bit of response, but I would really like the information to share with my current employer who wants to move from CF to ASP and get rid of CF, which I do not want to do at all, and I only know a little ASP, and from what I do know, I do not like it. Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 10:59 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being gentlemen (and ladies) start your engines Anthony Petruzzi Webmaster 954-321-4703 http://www.sheriff.org -Original Message- From: Robert Bailey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 2:03 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: CF VS ASP OK, I have been looking for some things on the net that shows the pros and cons of CF as opposed to ASP. Knowing very little ASP myself, I do not know the many differences. Anyone know where I can find this? Pretty much looking for development time differences, execution speed, security and scalability at a bare minimum. Anyone know where I can find this? Rob __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being
Remeber, coders survive on being able to code. Managers survive on making good business decisions. You may well see a new manager in the not so distant future. Yep, and then he'll be able to learn yet another language, thus broadening his skill set, and increasing his market worth. :) I need input... - Johnny 5 __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
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If he's willing to fork the bucks for the training. Grab hold, hang on, and take what you can learn. __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
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No problem learning something new, I learned the little bit of ASP and PHP here, but I do not want to abandon CF completely, which is what he is asking Rob -Original Message- From: Alex [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 11:54 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being Will they keep you on? You should be happy; you get paid to learn something new. On Wed, 3 Apr 2002, Robert Bailey wrote: Yeah, I thought this would get quite a bit of response, but I would really like the information to share with my current employer who wants to move from CF to ASP and get rid of CF, which I do not want to do at all, and I only know a little ASP, and from what I do know, I do not like it. Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 10:59 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being gentlemen (and ladies) start your engines Anthony Petruzzi Webmaster 954-321-4703 http://www.sheriff.org -Original Message- From: Robert Bailey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 2:03 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: CF VS ASP OK, I have been looking for some things on the net that shows the pros and cons of CF as opposed to ASP. Knowing very little ASP myself, I do not know the many differences. Anyone know where I can find this? Pretty much looking for development time differences, execution speed, security and scalability at a bare minimum. Anyone know where I can find this? Rob __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
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Agreed, it's a bitter pill to take. But, it's arguably still a recession. Good Fortune, Richard Walters, Webmaster, Davita Laboratory Services [EMAIL PROTECTED] (800) 604-5227 x 3525 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/03/02 03:03PM Yes, I agree with you, but killing all of our CF is what is making me a little sour on the subject, would have no problem learning more of it, but to ask me to abandon CF totally gets to me since I am very fond of using CF Rob -Original Message- From: Rick Walters [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 11:46 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being Honestly, If he's willing to pay you to cross train in ASP, why complain? I'm assuming that you have already written a score of reports and tools that will all need to be translated into ASP and who would know the reports better than their author. ASP isn't that different from Cold Fusion. Cold Fusion takes care of quite a few loose ends and takes far less time to produce quick apps. So, if your new boss is dead-set on using ASP pick up a few kill weight manuals on ASP coding and rewrite one of your tools. Remeber, coders survive on being able to code. Managers survive on making good business decisions. You may well see a new manager in the not so distant future. Good Fortune, Richard Walters, Webmaster, Davita Laboratory Services [EMAIL PROTECTED] (800) 604-5227 x 3525 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/03/02 02:36PM But I have made up my mind that if they kill Cold Fusion here I am not staying here any longer. It is mostly because we have a new manager that seems to be such a die hard ASP fan who swears it is better then CF even though he does not even know anything about CF. A little annoying, but I think since he is not the one that is doing any of the coding, he should really go with what us developers are wanting to work with. Maybe I am living in a dream like state when I think that managers will always pick the best product. -Original Message- From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 11:28 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being and on that note you should tell your boss there is a new version of CF comingall that can be said here is WOW...wait for it...can you say coool ;-) Bryan Stevenson VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. p. 250.920.8830 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Macromedia Associate Partner www.macromedia.com - Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group Founder Director www.cfug-vancouverisland.com - Original Message - From: Robert Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 11:12 AM Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being Yeah, I thought this would get quite a bit of response, but I would really like the information to share with my current employer who wants to move from CF to ASP and get rid of CF, which I do not want to do at all, and I only know a little ASP, and from what I do know, I do not like it. Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 10:59 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF VS ASP - let the trolling being gentlemen (and ladies) start your engines Anthony Petruzzi Webmaster 954-321-4703 http://www.sheriff.org -Original Message- From: Robert Bailey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 2:03 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: CF VS ASP OK, I have been looking for some things on the net that shows the pros and cons of CF as opposed to ASP. Knowing very little ASP myself, I do not know the many differences. Anyone know where I can find this? Pretty much looking for development time differences, execution speed, security and scalability at a bare minimum. Anyone know where I can find this? Rob __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
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At 12:06 PM 4/3/02 -0800, David Schmidt wrote: If he's willing to fork the bucks for the training. Grab hold, hang on, and take what you can learn. A cold hearted approach (but I think wise) would be to get the training paid for, and then move to a company that is more reasonable. T __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
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There is also X-Platorm issues with ASP. Also, with MM and Allaire merging and with Flash MX etc.. jeez we have an exciting time ahead. N __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
