RE: Search Engines & the indexing of javascript popup windows
OK, both work. Here is what was messing things up. In IE 6, I was opening up new windows to google results. I think that opening up a new window in IE 6 was throughing the Javascript off. Thanks Dave. Have a great weekend. ~Che -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 5:01 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Search Engines & the indexing of javascript popup windows > Nope. Oh well, it seems to work in all browsers except IE. This will work in both IE7 and Firefox: if (window.opener == null || window.opener == undefined) ... Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade & integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:265874 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Search Engines & the indexing of javascript popup windows
> Nope. Oh well, it seems to work in all browsers except IE. This will work in both IE7 and Firefox: if (window.opener == null || window.opener == undefined) ... Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade & integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:265871 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Search Engines & the indexing of javascript popup windows
Nope. Oh well, it seems to work in all browsers except IE. That's better
than where I was before.
Thanks for your help.
~Che
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> The problem is that in IE, I still get the Close Window
> button on the indexed popup page that comes from Google
> instead of getting the hyperlink to purchase it from
> 'MyDomain.com'. I'll try removing the escape slashes.
An explicit comparison would probably work in both, then:
if (window.opener == null) { ...
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RE: Search Engines & the indexing of javascript popup windows
> The problem is that in IE, I still get the Close Window
> button on the indexed popup page that comes from Google
> instead of getting the hyperlink to purchase it from
> 'MyDomain.com'. I'll try removing the escape slashes.
An explicit comparison would probably work in both, then:
if (window.opener == null) { ...
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RE: Search Engines & the indexing of javascript popup windows
The problem is that in IE, I still get the Close Window button on the
indexed popup page that comes from Google instead of getting the hyperlink
to purchase it from 'MyDomain.com'. I'll try removing the escape slashes.
Also, I found this, maybe it will mean something to you.
http://www.shaftek.org/blog/archives/000300.html
~Che
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From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 3:57 PM
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Subject: RE: Search Engines & the indexing of javascript popup windows
> Dave, using your code, what I have below works in Firefox,
> but not IE. Any ideas? Thanks a bunch, Che.
>
> <!--
> if (!window.opener) {
> document.write('<a href=\"<a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.mydomain.com\"">http://www.mydomain.com\"</a>;><span
> style=\"font-family: Verdana; font-weight: Bold;\">Purchase
> This Product at MyDomain.com</span></a>');
>
> }
> else {
> document.write('<form name=\"popupForm\"
> onSubmit=\"return closeWindow()\"><input type=\"image\"
> src=\"images/b_CloseWindow.gif\"
> alt=\"Close Window\" border=\"0\"></form>'); } //-->
What exactly happens in IE? Does it fail to write, or does it write the
wrong thing, or does something else happen?
You don't have to escape your double quotes in a string delimited by single
quotes. That may well be the source of your problem.
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RE: Search Engines & the indexing of javascript popup windows
> Dave, using your code, what I have below works in Firefox, > but not IE. Any ideas? Thanks a bunch, Che. > > What exactly happens in IE? Does it fail to write, or does it write the wrong thing, or does something else happen? You don't have to escape your double quotes in a string delimited by single quotes. That may well be the source of your problem. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade & integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:265863 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Search Engines & the indexing of javascript popup windows
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RE: Search Engines & the indexing of javascript popup windows
> Hmmm, I should have been more specific. How about...
>
> show page as a normal popup
>
> redirect to a a specific page. say www.domain.com
You could simply replace the contents of the conditional block with whatever
you want to do:
if (!window.opener) {
window.location.href = 'http://www.domain.com/';
}
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RE: Search Engines & the indexing of javascript popup windows
Hmmm, I should have been more specific. How about...
show page as a normal popup
redirect to a a specific page. say www.domain.com
Thanks. :)
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From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 12:42 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Search Engines & the indexing of javascript popup windows
> Dave, the JS function to launch the new window is below.
> Would might code look like on the popup (child) page to do
> this? I'm not a JS pro by any means. Thanks, Che.
The code would depend on what exactly you want as a result, of course, but
if you just wanted to conditionally hide the "close window" button, it might
look like this:
if (!window.opener) {
document.getElementById('mybuttonname').style.visibility = 'hidden';
}
You could put this in a function, and call it using the onload event handler
of the body tag.
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RE: Search Engines & the indexing of javascript popup windows
> Dave, the JS function to launch the new window is below.
> Would might code look like on the popup (child) page to do
> this? I'm not a JS pro by any means. Thanks, Che.
The code would depend on what exactly you want as a result, of course, but
if you just wanted to conditionally hide the "close window" button, it might
look like this:
if (!window.opener) {
document.getElementById('mybuttonname').style.visibility = 'hidden';
}
You could put this in a function, and call it using the onload event handler
of the body tag.
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RE: Search Engines & the indexing of javascript popup windows
Dave, the JS function to launch the new window is below. Would might code
look like on the popup (child) page to do this? I'm not a JS pro by any
means. Thanks, Che.
function NewWindow(mypage, myname, w, h, scroll) {
var winl = (screen.width - w) / 2;
var wint = (screen.height - h) / 2;
self.name = "mainWin";
winprops =
'height='+h+',width='+w+',top='+wint+',left='+winl+',scrollbars='+scroll+',r
esizable'
win = window.open(mypage, myname, winprops)
if (parseInt(navigator.appVersion) >= 4) { win.window.focus(); }
}
Using JavaScript, you can determine whether the window was opened by another
window - if you used window.open() to create the window, you can use
window.opener within the child window to identify the parent. With that
information, you could control the display of the contents, or force the
creation of the parent window and subsequently trigger the redisplay of the
child window.
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RE: Search Engines & the indexing of javascript popup windows
> I have popup windows on my site that display large product > photos that have been indexed by search engines. The thing > is, when a customer is refered by a search engine by one of > these indexed popup windows pages, the page does not 'render' > like a pop up window if the customer was already browsing my > site. It renders like a regular HTML page with a 'close > window' button. The user cannot click anywhere and if he/she > clicks the 'close window' button, I've lost the user from my site. > > How can I determine where the user comes from? The > CGI.HTTP_REFERER variable works for Firefox, but not always > from IE (basically, the CGI.HTTP_REFERER sometimes has no > value using IE). > > Is there logic that can determine whether a page is rendered > as a Javascript popup window (with no page controls) vs. a > regular html page? Perhaps that would work??? Using JavaScript, you can determine whether the window was opened by another window - if you used window.open() to create the window, you can use window.opener within the child window to identify the parent. With that information, you could control the display of the contents, or force the creation of the parent window and subsequently trigger the redisplay of the child window. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade & integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:265818 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Search engines and CF
yep. -Original Message- From: Protoculture [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 June 2005 16:07 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Search engines and CF Hey Kerry, so what you are saying is that changing the order of the links on the site map will signal to google that the page has changed? >Heres a tip: >If you can make the order of the links on the site map change dependent on, >say, the number of jobs for that type, or the most recently posted job of >that type, then google will see that the page has changed, keep re-indexing >it, and through that, re-index your customised pages. > > > >-Original Message- >From: Protoculture [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: 03 June 2005 14:22 >To: CF-Talk >Subject: Search engines and CF > > >Are there any best practices for search engine optimization when using >coldfusion? > >What we are currently doing is setting up a site map of sorts that >interlinks our database of job types with a customized page. Essentially >what the intention here is that search engines will index these pages and >thus improve our internet ranking. ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:208521 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Search engines and CF
Hey Kerry, so what you are saying is that changing the order of the links on the site map will signal to google that the page has changed? >Heres a tip: >If you can make the order of the links on the site map change dependent on, >say, the number of jobs for that type, or the most recently posted job of >that type, then google will see that the page has changed, keep re-indexing >it, and through that, re-index your customised pages. > > > >-Original Message- >From: Protoculture [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: 03 June 2005 14:22 >To: CF-Talk >Subject: Search engines and CF > > >Are there any best practices for search engine optimization when using >coldfusion? > >What we are currently doing is setting up a site map of sorts that >interlinks our database of job types with a customized page. Essentially >what the intention here is that search engines will index these pages and >thus improve our internet ranking. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:208520 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Search engines and CF
>best practices for search engine optimization when using coldfusion I would say that SEO best practices are development language independent. >What we are currently doing is setting up a site map of sorts Heres a tip: If you can make the order of the links on the site map change dependent on, say, the number of jobs for that type, or the most recently posted job of that type, then google will see that the page has changed, keep re-indexing it, and through that, re-index your customised pages. -Original Message- From: Protoculture [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 June 2005 14:22 To: CF-Talk Subject: Search engines and CF Are there any best practices for search engine optimization when using coldfusion? What we are currently doing is setting up a site map of sorts that interlinks our database of job types with a customized page. Essentially what the intention here is that search engines will index these pages and thus improve our internet ranking. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:208493 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
(OT) RE: search engines
The article points out some "legitimate" uses of cloaking that Google allows, but which violate their own rules. I like the idea that was proposed in the article that Google modify their guidelines and allow some controversial techniques. I don't like the permission idea...that could slow things down to a crawl. But to say that a webmaster could use cloaking if the cloaked material were relevant to the site content or contained in the site content to increase rankings would be a good idea to me... Rick -Original Message- From: Marty Johll [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 9:45 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: search engines Oh, and one other where Google "punished" an internal (Adwords) unit for doing serving up different content to the bot vs user: http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1774677,00.asp?kc=EWRSS03119TX1K594 Marty On Apr 5, 2005 8:39 AM, Marty Johll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > For more information, here's a slashdot article: > http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/03/31/196220&tid=217 > > > On Apr 4, 2005 4:26 PM, Rick Faircloth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Good to knowthanks for the heads up, Dave! > > > > Rick > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 5:15 PM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: RE: search engines > > > > Someone brought up serving up different content to a bot then to the viewers > > as being a viable solution but wordpress just found out the hard way thats > > not the way to go. > > > > "Google officials declined to comment on why WordPress.org pages had > > dropped from the company's index, but its Webmaster policies bar techniques > > that display different content to its crawler than to site visitors." > > > > ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:201492 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: search engines
Hi, Marty...thanks for the article reference... I can see how techniques using unrelated keywords/phrases would be discouraged and even banned, but I wonder what Google's, et al, response would be to using legitimate keywords/phrases with techniques like white text over a white image. The keywords/phrases I would use, if I were to even use a technique (which I haven't found necessary to get good results), would be the same ones I would use in the text of the regular pages. I am interested in using such a technique (colored text over a same-colored image) primarily on opening "splash" pages, where the emphasis is on graphic design and not content. On pages such as these, there may not even be any text that is readable by the bot. I wouldn't even want to use an alt tag because I wouldn't want it to pop up when the image had mouse point over it. I may have to contact Google and ask that question... Rick -Original Message- From: Marty Johll [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 9:39 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: search engines For more information, here's a slashdot article: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/03/31/196220&tid=217 On Apr 4, 2005 4:26 PM, Rick Faircloth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Good to knowthanks for the heads up, Dave! > > Rick > > > -Original Message- > From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 5:15 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: search engines > > Someone brought up serving up different content to a bot then to the viewers > as being a viable solution but wordpress just found out the hard way thats > not the way to go. > > "Google officials declined to comment on why WordPress.org pages had > dropped from the company's index, but its Webmaster policies bar techniques > that display different content to its crawler than to site visitors." > > ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:201488 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: search engines
Oh, and one other where Google "punished" an internal (Adwords) unit for doing serving up different content to the bot vs user: http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1774677,00.asp?kc=EWRSS03119TX1K594 Marty On Apr 5, 2005 8:39 AM, Marty Johll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > For more information, here's a slashdot article: > http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/03/31/196220&tid=217 > > > On Apr 4, 2005 4:26 PM, Rick Faircloth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Good to knowthanks for the heads up, Dave! > > > > Rick > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 5:15 PM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: RE: search engines > > > > Someone brought up serving up different content to a bot then to the viewers > > as being a viable solution but wordpress just found out the hard way thats > > not the way to go. > > > > "Google officials declined to comment on why WordPress.org pages had > > dropped from the company's index, but its Webmaster policies bar techniques > > that display different content to its crawler than to site visitors." > > > > ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:201480 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: search engines
For more information, here's a slashdot article: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/03/31/196220&tid=217 On Apr 4, 2005 4:26 PM, Rick Faircloth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Good to knowthanks for the heads up, Dave! > > Rick > > > -Original Message- > From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 5:15 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: search engines > > Someone brought up serving up different content to a bot then to the viewers > as being a viable solution but wordpress just found out the hard way thats > not the way to go. > > "Google officials declined to comment on why WordPress.org pages had > dropped from the company's index, but its Webmaster policies bar techniques > that display different content to its crawler than to site visitors." > > ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:201478 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: search engines
Good to knowthanks for the heads up, Dave! Rick -Original Message- From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 5:15 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: search engines Someone brought up serving up different content to a bot then to the viewers as being a viable solution but wordpress just found out the hard way thats not the way to go. "Google officials declined to comment on why WordPress.org pages had dropped from the company's index, but its Webmaster policies bar techniques that display different content to its crawler than to site visitors." ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:201441 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: search engines
Someone brought up serving up different content to a bot then to the viewers as being a viable solution but wordpress just found out the hard way thats not the way to go. "Google officials declined to comment on why WordPress.org pages had dropped from the company's index, but its Webmaster policies bar techniques that display different content to its crawler than to site visitors." ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:201438 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Search Engines & CFID/CFTOKEN
I've thought about that... but, what's the best way to implement it? Maybe... don't append cfid/cftoken append cfid/cftoken Without keeping a massive list of search engine UA's, is there a another way to check for spiders? Or, would you just comprise a list of the top crawlers, and if so, any suggestions on a list of (popular) words to test against? -Brad -Original Message- From: Thomas Chiverton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 8:40 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Search Engines & CFID/CFTOKEN On Friday 19 Mar 2004 13:22 pm, Brad Roberts wrote: > append cfid/cftoken to every url. However, I don't want search engines to > index my sites with a cfid/cftoken. Any way around this? Check the browser string and do something different if it's a spider. -- Tom Chiverton Advanced ColdFusion Programmer Tel: +44(0)1749 834997 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] BlueFinger Limited Underwood Business Park Wookey Hole Road, WELLS. BA5 1AF Tel: +44 (0)1749 834900 Fax: +44 (0)1749 834901 web: www.bluefinger.com Company Reg No: 4209395 Registered Office: 2 Temple Back East, Temple Quay, BRISTOL. BS1 6EG. *** This E-mail contains confidential information for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. You should not use, disclose, distribute or copy this communication if received in error. No binding contract will result from this e-mail until such time as a written document is signed on behalf of the company. BlueFinger Limited cannot accept responsibility for the completeness or accuracy of this message as it has been transmitted over public networks.*** [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Search Engines & CFID/CFTOKEN
On Friday 19 Mar 2004 13:22 pm, Brad Roberts wrote: > append cfid/cftoken to every url. However, I don't want search engines to > index my sites with a cfid/cftoken. Any way around this? Check the browser string and do something different if it's a spider. -- Tom Chiverton Advanced ColdFusion Programmer Tel: +44(0)1749 834997 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] BlueFinger Limited Underwood Business Park Wookey Hole Road, WELLS. BA5 1AF Tel: +44 (0)1749 834900 Fax: +44 (0)1749 834901 web: www.bluefinger.com Company Reg No: 4209395 Registered Office: 2 Temple Back East, Temple Quay, BRISTOL. BS1 6EG. *** This E-mail contains confidential information for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. You should not use, disclose, distribute or copy this communication if received in error. No binding contract will result from this e-mail until such time as a written document is signed on behalf of the company. BlueFinger Limited cannot accept responsibility for the completeness or accuracy of this message as it has been transmitted over public networks.*** [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Search Engines
Hi Ryan, We are accessing the database via jdbc, quering for the columns we need and then indexing the returned data. Adam. -Original Message- From: Ryan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 July 2003 15:42 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Search Engines Hey, Adam, Thanks for the response! Are you exporting your database content to a flat file and then indexing it or is Lucene able to index right out of the db? Many Thanks, Ryan ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Search Engines
Hey, Adam, Thanks for the response! Are you exporting your database content to a flat file and then indexing it or is Lucene able to index right out of the db? Many Thanks, Ryan - Original Message - From: "Adam Hope" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 9:01 AM Subject: RE: Search Engines > Hi Ryan, > > We used to use verity but when we started indexing over 3million files > it got very slow indeed. We now use lucene to index flat files and > database content. If you are a java coder you can write your own cfx > interface to lucene and then anything you can access with java you can > index with lucene. > > It seems a daunting task at first but once you get your head around how > lucene works its really easy. > > To give you an idea of speed we index over 90,000 flat files in one > index and the search takes about 140ms on a Sun E250. (dual proc 300mhz > 1gb ram). The indexing is also far quicker. > > Adam. > > -Original Message- > From: Ryan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 9:35 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Search Engines > > > We currently use the canned verity search features that come with CF 5, > but we're outgrowing it. Can anyone give me a few leads on alternative > search engines other than K2? I'd like a few options to explore. BTW, > we're indexing text out of a database, not pages on the site. > > Thanks! > > Ryan > ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Search Engines
Hi Ryan, We used to use verity but when we started indexing over 3million files it got very slow indeed. We now use lucene to index flat files and database content. If you are a java coder you can write your own cfx interface to lucene and then anything you can access with java you can index with lucene. It seems a daunting task at first but once you get your head around how lucene works its really easy. To give you an idea of speed we index over 90,000 flat files in one index and the search takes about 140ms on a Sun E250. (dual proc 300mhz 1gb ram). The indexing is also far quicker. Adam. -Original Message- From: Ryan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 9:35 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Search Engines We currently use the canned verity search features that come with CF 5, but we're outgrowing it. Can anyone give me a few leads on alternative search engines other than K2? I'd like a few options to explore. BTW, we're indexing text out of a database, not pages on the site. Thanks! Ryan ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Search Engines
We're using DB2, which I believe has some full-text stuff, but I've been asked to come up with some options. Also, OS is Solaris 8 and we'd prefer to stick with that on a separate search server, unless something is really, really slick and has to run on something else. Ryan - Original Message - From: "Kola Oyedeji" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 8:49 AM Subject: RE: Search Engines > Ryan > > What db are you using? If you're using SQL server - full text search may > be an option? > > Kola > > >> -Original Message- > >> From: Ryan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> Sent: 16 July 2003 14:35 > >> To: CF-Talk > >> Subject: Search Engines > >> > >> We currently use the canned verity search features that come with CF > 5, > >> but we're outgrowing it. Can anyone give me a few leads on > alternative > >> search engines other than K2? I'd like a few options to explore. > BTW, > >> we're indexing text out of a database, not pages on the site. > >> > >> Thanks! > >> > >> Ryan > >> > > ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Search Engines
Ryan What db are you using? If you're using SQL server - full text search may be an option? Kola >> -Original Message- >> From: Ryan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: 16 July 2003 14:35 >> To: CF-Talk >> Subject: Search Engines >> >> We currently use the canned verity search features that come with CF 5, >> but we're outgrowing it. Can anyone give me a few leads on alternative >> search engines other than K2? I'd like a few options to explore. BTW, >> we're indexing text out of a database, not pages on the site. >> >> Thanks! >> >> Ryan >> ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Search Engines
We've started to do some work with Lucene by using the lindex tags included in the latest DRK. The search itself works pretty well, although we've had to jump through some hoops to get content out of a database, into files, and then into the index. Seems as fast or faster than Verity and doesn't have the document number limitations that the bundled engine has. Matt -Original Message- From: Ryan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 9:35 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Search Engines We currently use the canned verity search features that come with CF 5, but we're outgrowing it. Can anyone give me a few leads on alternative search engines other than K2? I'd like a few options to explore. BTW, we're indexing text out of a database, not pages on the site. Thanks! Ryan ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Search Engines
Are you sure - I just cut and paste this: http://www.wordtracker.com/ We use it every day, honest -Original Message- From: Dave Hannum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 24, 2002 10:07 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Search Engines Uh - it's a domain name for sale . . . . Daved - Original Message - From: "Ian Lurie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, May 24, 2002 12:11 PM Subject: RE: Search Engines WordTracker.com is an essential tool. There are also firms (like ours) that can do this for you. It's not that expensive... -Original Message- From: Douglas Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 24, 2002 9:05 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT: Search Engines Does anyone know of a list that has to do with search engine optimization? We are trying to get better rankings and I could use all the input I can get. Douglas Brown Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Search Engines
Uh - it's a domain name for sale . . . . Daved - Original Message - From: "Ian Lurie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, May 24, 2002 12:11 PM Subject: RE: Search Engines WordTracker.com is an essential tool. There are also firms (like ours) that can do this for you. It's not that expensive... -Original Message- From: Douglas Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 24, 2002 9:05 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT: Search Engines Does anyone know of a list that has to do with search engine optimization? We are trying to get better rankings and I could use all the input I can get. Douglas Brown Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Search Engines
check out http://www.rolist.com rotating search engine. Anthony Petruzzi Webmaster 954-321-4703 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sheriff.org -Original Message- From: Douglas Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 24, 2002 12:05 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT: Search Engines Does anyone know of a list that has to do with search engine optimization? We are trying to get better rankings and I could use all the input I can get. Douglas Brown Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Search Engines
www.searchenginewatch.com He has a newsletter too. Pretty interesting each month. Dave - Original Message - From: "Douglas Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, May 24, 2002 12:05 PM Subject: OT: Search Engines Does anyone know of a list that has to do with search engine optimization? We are trying to get better rankings and I could use all the input I can get. Douglas Brown Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Search Engines
WordTracker.com is an essential tool. There are also firms (like ours) that can do this for you. It's not that expensive... -Original Message- From: Douglas Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 24, 2002 9:05 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT: Search Engines Does anyone know of a list that has to do with search engine optimization? We are trying to get better rankings and I could use all the input I can get. Douglas Brown Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Search Engines
Also http://searchenginewatch.com/ Shawn McKee -Original Message- From: Paul Giesenhagen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 24, 2002 11:00 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Search Engines Try http://www.searchengineworld.com a good amount of information. Good Luck Paul Giesenhagen QuillDesign - Original Message - From: "Douglas Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, May 24, 2002 11:05 AM Subject: OT: Search Engines > Does anyone know of a list that has to do with search engine > optimization? We are trying to get better rankings and I could use all > the input I can get. > > > > > Douglas Brown > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Search Engines
This site is pretty nice http://www.searchengineworld.com/ the thing is though, the biggest place for you to get higher ranking is from reciprical links. So you would need to do a type of link exchange program between like sites or customers. Robert Everland III Dixon Ticonderoga Web Developer Extraordinaire -Original Message- From: Douglas Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 24, 2002 12:05 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT: Search Engines Does anyone know of a list that has to do with search engine optimization? We are trying to get better rankings and I could use all the input I can get. Douglas Brown Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Search Engines
Try http://www.searchengineworld.com a good amount of information. Good Luck Paul Giesenhagen QuillDesign - Original Message - From: "Douglas Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, May 24, 2002 11:05 AM Subject: OT: Search Engines > Does anyone know of a list that has to do with search engine > optimization? We are trying to get better rankings and I could use all > the input I can get. > > > > > Douglas Brown > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Search Engines
Does anyone have current stats SE rankings? Last I heard Yahoo, at 38%, was still the top first-use search facility, although it was sinking. MSN was a distant #2 (about 16%) with Google and AOL making up the #3 and #4 spots (11 and 7 1/2%). That was May 2001 on Statmarket.com. That noscript stuff sounds like a great solution in 1998. I don't think the engines are this dumb anymore. If this for-pay placement bit keeps expanding comprehensive SE placement will be more expensive than the site itself. --Matt Robertson-- MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbase.com __ Dedicated Windows 2000 Server PIII 800 / 256 MB RAM / 40 GB HD / 20 GB MO/XFER Instant Activation · $99/Month · Free Setup http://www.pennyhost.com/redirect.cfm?adcode=coldfusiona FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Search Engines
You know, that might of worked back in the day, but the new search engine's do not go by the number of words on a page. From what I've read, they go by links to your page (i.e. references from other pages to yours). What's that mean? Just make sure you put your copyright info with a link on each and every site that you do, and maybe look for some other companies to exchange links with :) _ steve oliver senior internet developer atnet solutions, inc. http://www.atnetsolutions.com -Original Message- From: Gordon Burns [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 12:43 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Search Engines I have a client with a new CF site where the pages are created dynamically form several CfIncludes. The client has used a SE optimization company that they employed in the past who have now sent me some changes that they want me to incorporate on the site. From a conversation I had with them they do not appear to know much about dynamic sites and I wanted some reassurance before relying on their expertise in SEO. Most of the changes are links contained within tags so they do not show on the page. ( Well unless you are using Netscape 2.00 or below I believe.) This may be a very clever utilization and perfectly legitimate use of a little used tag, it may even be a totally brilliant idea. However, I would welcome comments from others on this as a technique for enhancing placement in search engines for cf sites or others before I use it on my client's site. Thanks Gordon __ Why Share? Dedicated Win 2000 Server · PIII 800 / 256 MB RAM / 40 GB HD / 20 GB MO/XFER Instant Activation · $99/Month · Free Setup http://www.pennyhost.com/redirect.cfm?adcode=coldfusionc FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Search Engines
Well the thing with these search engine placement companies is they were worth something about 2 years ago. Right before google came around and the other search engines started making you pay for placement. Google goes by link popularity, the more people that link back to you the more popular you are. They also use your keywords and description to put you up there, but how far up you go is based on your popularity. These search engine companies can not do anything for you unless they own thousands of different urls and they put you on each and every site and google indexes everyone of those sites. I am sure it's a nice little trick for the crappy search engines, but google is the number 1 dog right now, so if they aren't putting you high on your list, you can get all the little people in the world to have you, but you won't get the best traffic. Robert Everland III Dixon Ticonderoga Web Developer Extraordinaire -Original Message- From: Gordon Burns [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 12:43 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Search Engines I have a client with a new CF site where the pages are created dynamically form several CfIncludes. The client has used a SE optimization company that they employed in the past who have now sent me some changes that they want me to incorporate on the site. From a conversation I had with them they do not appear to know much about dynamic sites and I wanted some reassurance before relying on their expertise in SEO. Most of the changes are links contained within tags so they do not show on the page. ( Well unless you are using Netscape 2.00 or below I believe.) This may be a very clever utilization and perfectly legitimate use of a little used tag, it may even be a totally brilliant idea. However, I would welcome comments from others on this as a technique for enhancing placement in search engines for cf sites or others before I use it on my client's site. Thanks Gordon __ Get Your Own Dedicated Windows 2000 Server PIII 800 / 256 MB RAM / 40 GB HD / 20 GB MO/XFER Instant Activation · $99/Month · Free Setup http://www.pennyhost.com/redirect.cfm?adcode=coldfusionb FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Search Engines
Google does not charge for search engine listings, as suggested below. You can buy ads on google that use the keywords, but they do not effect the rankings in the engine one bit. In google's creators are very strongly opposed to such practices, I don't think you will ever have to pay for listings in google. I've done a lot of research about google, and the way google does sort its search results is a combination of a PageRank, and the IR score. PageRank is defined as a recurrence that is completely dependant on the backwards links (links on other peoples sites, pointing to yours to your page. The number of links on a page that links to you mitigates your PageRank. A link to your page will have the best impact on your page rank if, the page linking to you has a high page rank, and the total number of links of that site is low. A site with a high PageRank and a large number of outbound links can nullify its effect on your page rank. Since each backward links PageRank/Total Links is summed, your PageRank cannot be lowered by a link, and is always increased slightly by each backward link your page has. The IR score is based on keyword placement on your site font sizes, title text, meta info, and text inside links, linking to your page. If you focus on improving your page rank (finding site to link to you) you will get more hits from google, and from the sites that link to you. Pete Freitag ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) CFDEV.COM ColdFusion Developer Resources http://www.cfdev.com/ -Original Message- From: Declan Maher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 6:55 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Search Engines Hi, The whole issue of whether you have to pay for search engines or not is very complex and much more detailed than simply do I have to pay or not. You will not get listed on certain engines if you don't subscribe to certain directories and are unlikely to get a good position unless you pay for some, such as Google, . The best sites I have found that tell you everything about searchengines are: http://searchengineforums.com - where you get help from fellow developers/marketing people http://www.searchenginewatch.com/ - good updated info on all major search engines A critical directory appears to be Inktomi,which is where some searchengines get their sites list from, from reading peoples input in searchengine forums. You can register on this with: http://www.positiontech.com/inktomi/faq.htm#1 (but go to the other sites first and see what you think from peoples comments) To sum up and use a generalisation, if you have a personal site you can get on enough engines for free but it may take months, but if you have money to spend then you can get a better ranking, much faster, and can have your site automatically re-submitted regularly when you pay. Declan Maher Web Applications Developer -Original Message- From: Mike Kear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 23 September 2001 17:01 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Search Engines You don't have to pay. Do it yourself. I do. Just go to each of the search engines, and register a site with them. .. Capture the form you submit, and put that code into a CF template yourself. I have made one where I put in the keywords, description, basic information enough to fill in all the forms in all the sites I want to submit to. Then on the template page I have, I fill in my site name once, site address once, description once, name once, etc etc. and select a classification for each search engine, the drop down menus are taken off the site's own form. Then the submit button on the action page sends off the information needed by each site in turn, and puts a confirming page up. "submitted to altavista... submitted to hotbot ... etc " Hope this helps. Cheers, Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia AFP WebWorks -Original Message- From: Heidi Belal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2001 10:27 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Search Engines Hi All, this may be a bit off topic, but i need/advise on where and how i can register a site in the top search engines. I know there are all these sites where you can do it but do you have recommendations? My other question is, why do we have to pay for this, or what does paying provide from those where you don't have to pay do? I thought there were robots that go around linking from page to page and indexing the webpages..so that when a search is run the pages relevant are found, so what does paying do? thanks! Heidi Heidi Belal ICQ# 32127109 A bus stops at a bus station. A train stops at a train station. On my desk I have a work station... ~~ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.c
RE: Search Engines
Hi, The whole issue of whether you have to pay for search engines or not is very complex and much more detailed than simply do I have to pay or not. You will not get listed on certain engines if you don't subscribe to certain directories and are unlikely to get a good position unless you pay for some, such as Google, . The best sites I have found that tell you everything about searchengines are: http://searchengineforums.com - where you get help from fellow developers/marketing people http://www.searchenginewatch.com/ - good updated info on all major search engines A critical directory appears to be Inktomi,which is where some searchengines get their sites list from, from reading peoples input in searchengine forums. You can register on this with: http://www.positiontech.com/inktomi/faq.htm#1 (but go to the other sites first and see what you think from peoples comments) To sum up and use a generalisation, if you have a personal site you can get on enough engines for free but it may take months, but if you have money to spend then you can get a better ranking, much faster, and can have your site automatically re-submitted regularly when you pay. Declan Maher Web Applications Developer -Original Message- From: Mike Kear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 23 September 2001 17:01 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Search Engines You don't have to pay. Do it yourself. I do. Just go to each of the search engines, and register a site with them. .. Capture the form you submit, and put that code into a CF template yourself. I have made one where I put in the keywords, description, basic information enough to fill in all the forms in all the sites I want to submit to. Then on the template page I have, I fill in my site name once, site address once, description once, name once, etc etc. and select a classification for each search engine, the drop down menus are taken off the site's own form. Then the submit button on the action page sends off the information needed by each site in turn, and puts a confirming page up. "submitted to altavista... submitted to hotbot ... etc " Hope this helps. Cheers, Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia AFP WebWorks -Original Message- From: Heidi Belal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2001 10:27 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Search Engines Hi All, this may be a bit off topic, but i need/advise on where and how i can register a site in the top search engines. I know there are all these sites where you can do it but do you have recommendations? My other question is, why do we have to pay for this, or what does paying provide from those where you don't have to pay do? I thought there were robots that go around linking from page to page and indexing the webpages..so that when a search is run the pages relevant are found, so what does paying do? thanks! Heidi Heidi Belal ICQ# 32127109 A bus stops at a bus station. A train stops at a train station. On my desk I have a work station... ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Search Engines
You don't have to pay. Do it yourself. I do. Just go to each of the search engines, and register a site with them. .. Capture the form you submit, and put that code into a CF template yourself. I have made one where I put in the keywords, description, basic information enough to fill in all the forms in all the sites I want to submit to. Then on the template page I have, I fill in my site name once, site address once, description once, name once, etc etc. and select a classification for each search engine, the drop down menus are taken off the site's own form. Then the submit button on the action page sends off the information needed by each site in turn, and puts a confirming page up. "submitted to altavista... submitted to hotbot ... etc " Hope this helps. Cheers, Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia AFP WebWorks -Original Message- From: Heidi Belal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2001 10:27 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Search Engines Hi All, this may be a bit off topic, but i need/advise on where and how i can register a site in the top search engines. I know there are all these sites where you can do it but do you have recommendations? My other question is, why do we have to pay for this, or what does paying provide from those where you don't have to pay do? I thought there were robots that go around linking from page to page and indexing the webpages..so that when a search is run the pages relevant are found, so what does paying do? thanks! Heidi = Heidi Belal ICQ# 32127109 A bus stops at a bus station. A train stops at a train station. On my desk I have a work station... ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Search Engines
whatever you do, don't go on register.com "SUBMIT SERVICE" no good. Thanks, Michael Lugassy Interactive Music Ltd. ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Search Engines
Check out selfpromotion.com. It's a good starting point and free to use at first. If you like it, I think they ask for $10 to continue using the service. Russell Conway HallofSports.com, Inc. 351 West 22nd Street New York, NY 10011 P (646) 638-2500 F (561) 423-2674 http://www.hallofsports.com .. . . where the legends live on > -Original Message- > From: Adkins, Randy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 1:52 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Search Engines > > > Out of curiosity, what program is most popular when > submitting website information to search engines? > > I have come across a few, or does anyone know any such animal > which is free to use or a very minimal charge? > > Thanks in advance! > > ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Search Engines
One site I have found is www.addme.com they have a lot of free info about how to get better standings and they submit to lots of engines. >From what I understand, some search engines may demerit you if you use a program or site. Don't know of any proof of this Anyone? Mark W. Breneman -Cold Fusion Developer -Network Administrator Vivid Media [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.vividmedia.com 608.270.9770 -Original Message- From: Adkins, Randy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 12:52 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Search Engines Out of curiosity, what program is most popular when submitting website information to search engines? I have come across a few, or does anyone know any such animal which is free to use or a very minimal charge? Thanks in advance! ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Search Engines
www.jimtools.com -Original Message- From: Adkins, Randy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 12:52 PM To: CF-Talk Subject:Search Engines Out of curiosity, what program is most popular when submitting website information to search engines? I have come across a few, or does anyone know any such animal which is free to use or a very minimal charge? Thanks in advance! ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Search Engines & Dynamic Sites - Best Course
The new thing is that Search Engines are apparently no including the full URL, including that after ? and & There's a message in the archive documenting one search engine that does not do this. best, paul At 09:57 AM 1/8/01 -0500, you wrote: >I'm building a site that will be entirely based on database articles. What >are the best methods of making this site search engine friendly so that it >can be found? I'm using Fusebox technology if that makes any difference. > >I know this has been discussed on the list before and I am reviewing the >archives. But perhaps something new has come up that would be of some help. ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Search Engines & Dynamic Sites - Best Course
What I have done in the past is generate static html templates from the database that the search engines can pick up and then put a redirect on those pages to the CF templates so when the user follows a link they get the CF page and not the page the search engine has indexed. Kevin - Original Message - From: "Paul Sinclair" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 8:57 AM Subject: Search Engines & Dynamic Sites - Best Course > I'm building a site that will be entirely based on database articles. What > are the best methods of making this site search engine friendly so that it > can be found? I'm using Fusebox technology if that makes any difference. > > I know this has been discussed on the list before and I am reviewing the > archives. But perhaps something new has come up that would be of some help. > > Thanks. > > Paul Sinclair > > > > ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Search Engines
Web Position Gold does this and a lot more. http://searchengineboost.com/webpositiongold/index.htm Chris Giminez > Ok.. remedial question, but one that I can seem to find a good answer to. > > We do a lot of web hosting and we provide a service to our customers where > we register domain names for them and then list them with search engines. I > have yet to find a good program to use to mass register with search engines. > I want one that will be totally self-acting (all I have to do is enter info > once, and it does all the registering just by pushing a button and walking > away). I don't mind paying for this, but want feedback from anyone who has > used one and likes it. > -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: Search Engines
We use Add Web which we find quite good. http://www.cyberspacehq.com/ + Kevin Parker Service and Communication WorkCover Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.workcover.com ph: +61 8 82332548 fax: +61 8 82332000 mob: 0418 800 287 ++ -Original Message- From: Computer Simplistics Suppoer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, 18 May 2000 11:25 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: OT: Search Engines Ok.. remedial question, but one that I can seem to find a good answer to. We do a lot of web hosting and we provide a service to our customers where we register domain names for them and then list them with search engines. I have yet to find a good program to use to mass register with search engines. I want one that will be totally self-acting (all I have to do is enter info once, and it does all the registering just by pushing a button and walking away). I don't mind paying for this, but want feedback from anyone who has used one and likes it. Thanks! Scott Berry -- Computer Simplistics Support "Simple Solutions for a Complex World" http://www.c-s.net 661-296-4315 -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. This e-mail is intended for the use of the addressee only. It may contain information that is protected by legislated confidentiality and/or is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient you are prohibited from disseminating, distributing or copying this e-mail. Any opinion expressed in this e-mail may not necessarily be that of the WorkCover Corporation of South Australia. Although precautions have been taken, the sender cannot warrant that this e-mail or any files transmitted with it are free of viruses or any other defect. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and destroy the original e-mail and any copies. -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
Re: Search Engines where there are no static pages
At 07:32 PM 3/31/00 +1000, you wrote: >I taught a client how to use meta tags and comments inside the header of >his static pages to give the search engines something to index. > >He's done this to great effect, and he has hundreds of static pages - one >for every product - most of which are indexed by the major search engines. I would add a "memo" (VarChar) column to a product table that contained the text for meta-tags and other "head" content. Then you can dynamically write that information into each product page. We do a similar type of thing at Blue Star Training. Check out the URLs below to see dynamic pages that "act" like static. http://www.bluestarcorp.com/DYN_CF1.cfm http://www.bluestarcorp.com/DYN_HT1.cfm http://www.bluestarcorp.com/DYN_HT2.cfm >Not surprisingly, keeping all those static pages up to date is a nightmare, >and his store lends itself to a ColdFusion shopping cart. >... >How do you all get round this?If you have few static pages, what do you >give the search engines to index? I wrote an article on this subject from the ColdFusion Developers Journal (Volume 2 Issue 1, January 2000 page 31). The technique that I call "Fake URL" uses IIS and CF to present an URL that the search engines see as static. The URLs listed above are the "Fake" versions of the URLs listed below. http://www.bluestarcorp.com/CourseInfo.cfm?COURSE_ID=CF1 http://www.bluestarcorp.com/CourseInfo.cfm?COURSE_ID=HT1 http://www.bluestarcorp.com/CourseInfo.cfm?COURSE_ID=HT2 -John- -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
RE: Search Engines where there are no static pages
pretty easy, make a static page out of the dynamic one... There are several different tags and other methods...to automatically copy the dynamic version into the .html version that is in the navigation menu... the easiest is the CF_STaticPage but they all use the same command... cfhttp url="url of dynamic page" resolveurls="yes"> something like that... > -Original Message- > From: Mike Kear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, March 31, 2000 3:32 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Search Engines where there are no static pages > > > I taught a client how to use meta tags and comments inside the header of > his static pages to give the search engines something to index. > > He's done this to great effect, and he has hundreds of static pages - one > for every product - most of which are indexed by the major search engines. > > Not surprisingly, keeping all those static pages up to date is a > nightmare, > and his store lends itself to a ColdFusion shopping cart. > > But my client says he has great listing in the search engines and that > brings him most of his business. While he understands my point about how > much more simple it would be if he used his database instead of static > pages, he is reluctant to move since all those meta tags would go. He's > frightened he'll lose his high profile in the search engines. > > How do you all get round this?If you have few static pages, > what do you > give the search engines to index? > > > Cheers, > > Mike Kear > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > www.afp.zip.com.au > Windsor, NSW, Australia > > AFP Web Development > AFP Electronic Forms > AFP Models > -- > > Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk > To Unsubscribe visit > http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf _talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
Re: Search Engines where there are no static pages
---Reply to mail from Mike Kear about Search Engines where there are no static pages > > How do you all get round this?If you have few static pages, what do you > give the search engines to index? > There area a few ways, you could use `search engine friendly' URL's, I've never used them so I don't know the effectivness of doing so. Or you could generate static pages from the data in your database - this I have done for a site that wanted the individual pages to be indexed by search engines, basically the idea is you make up a CF template that works the way you want then to generate pages call the template with CFHTTP and save the results to your static html file you can either regenerate pages as a scheduled event or just do it manually when you change the data in the database. -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
Re: Search Engines where there are no static pages
You may want to look here: www.marketposition.com and here: www.webposition.com They have some intersting ideas - and a product. Ive used.. not much... Steve > > I taught a client how to use meta tags and comments inside the header of > > his static pages to give the search engines something to index. > > > > He's done this to great effect, and he has hundreds of static pages - one > > for every product - most of which are indexed by the major search engines. > > > > Not surprisingly, keeping all those static pages up to date is a > nightmare, > > and his store lends itself to a ColdFusion shopping cart. > > > > But my client says he has great listing in the search engines and that > > brings him most of his business. While he understands my point about how > > much more simple it would be if he used his database instead of static > > pages, he is reluctant to move since all those meta tags would go. He's > > frightened he'll lose his high profile in the search engines. > > > > How do you all get round this?If you have few static pages, what do > you > > give the search engines to index? > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Mike Kear > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > www.afp.zip.com.au > > Windsor, NSW, Australia -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
Re: Search Engines where there are no static pages
easy, make a hundred static pages all with meta tags. the only code on the static page besides the meta tag would be an include to your index.cfm - Original Message - From: "Mike Kear" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, March 31, 2000 1:32 AM Subject: Search Engines where there are no static pages > I taught a client how to use meta tags and comments inside the header of > his static pages to give the search engines something to index. > > He's done this to great effect, and he has hundreds of static pages - one > for every product - most of which are indexed by the major search engines. > > Not surprisingly, keeping all those static pages up to date is a nightmare, > and his store lends itself to a ColdFusion shopping cart. > > But my client says he has great listing in the search engines and that > brings him most of his business. While he understands my point about how > much more simple it would be if he used his database instead of static > pages, he is reluctant to move since all those meta tags would go. He's > frightened he'll lose his high profile in the search engines. > > How do you all get round this?If you have few static pages, what do you > give the search engines to index? > > > Cheers, > > Mike Kear > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > www.afp.zip.com.au > Windsor, NSW, Australia > > AFP Web Development > AFP Electronic Forms > AFP Models > -- > Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk > To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body. > -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
