subject:"RE\: THIS or that"


Mark, going back to your original problem. I am not sure if you have IPv4 
IPv6 installed, but I just double checked that the local loop backs
addresse for IpV4  V6 are in my IP debugging list. Can you try adding them
both in and restarting ColdFusion and lets us know how you go.

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On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 3:01 AM, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.au
wrote:

 Whatever Dave, like I said this option is for ASP only.

 Here is a support article that a quick Google search dug up, if you can
 provide where in IIS you make this change I will eat my words.

 https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/294807?wa=wsignin1.0



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 On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 2:59 AM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote:


  This in IIS
 
  friendly error messages
 
  Has nothing to do with ColdFusion output, nothing at all.

 No, but that's not what I responded to. Here's what I responded to,
 specifically:

 I am very well aware after nearly 20 years of CF Development how it
 works, IIS doesn't capture CF errors at all. It only displays what is
 sent to it, in ColdFusion's case if it is not sending the status codes
 it usually ends up with a blank page. You can make any adjustments to
 IIS you like it will make no difference.

 This has not been true, in my experience. And all it takes is one case
 where it's not true, to be able to state categorically that it's not
 always true.

 Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
 1-202-527-9569
 http://www.figleaf.com/
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Re: Enable Request Debugging Output not working


You're right Dave you may need to re-read the threads again, because I am
well aware of the error status pages. I was mainly talking to Charles about
Friendly Error messages when you dropped by, if you are confused by that,
this is not my problem.

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On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 3:20 AM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote:


  Whatever Dave, like I said this option is for ASP only.
 
  Here is a support article that a quick Google search dug up, if you can
  provide where in IIS you make this change I will eat my words.
 
  https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/294807?wa=wsignin1.0

 I'm not sure what posting a page about an IE issue has to do with IIS.
 It sounds like you're talking about one thing and I'm talking about
 another.

 IIS has the ability to postprocess any sort of server-side error
 messages (or any other responses for that matter). This is not
 specific to ASP.NET - it applies to all messages that pass through
 IIS. Here's a screenshot I just put together demonstrating this
 feature.

 http://i.imgur.com/tBfFfC9.png

 In this screenshot, the only thing I've changed from the default
 behavior is the Edit Error Pages Settings - the default value is the
 third radio button.

 Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
 1-202-527-9569
 http://www.figleaf.com/
 http://training.figleaf.com/

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 (SDVOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-
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Re: Enable Request Debugging Output not working


by default IIS will display a 500 server error if it gets back a CF error
page as it doesn't know what to do with it as it doesn't send a valid error
code that matches any IIS errors.
In order to see the REAL cf error you have to turn on detailed error
messages in IIS, or you have to create a custom error page to display
instead of the 500 server error.



On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 5:23 PM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote:


  I guess my installs of IIS work, cause the only time I have to make any
  changes is in CF where it says send HTTP status codes, nothing more and
  nothing less.

 That's good for you! But there are many installs of IIS out there
 besides your own, and those installs might be configured differently
 from yours for a variety of reasons.

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Re: Enable Request Debugging Output not working


 You're right Dave you may need to re-read the threads again, because I am
 well aware of the error status pages. I was mainly talking to Charles about
 Friendly Error messages when you dropped by, if you are confused by that,
 this is not my problem.

You wrote an email. I responded to that email. If your goal is to
communicate clearly with other people, it is your problem if you are
unable to do that.

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Re: Enable Request Debugging Output not working


 Whatever Dave, like I said this option is for ASP only.

 Here is a support article that a quick Google search dug up, if you can
 provide where in IIS you make this change I will eat my words.

 https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/294807?wa=wsignin1.0

I'm not sure what posting a page about an IE issue has to do with IIS.
It sounds like you're talking about one thing and I'm talking about
another.

IIS has the ability to postprocess any sort of server-side error
messages (or any other responses for that matter). This is not
specific to ASP.NET - it applies to all messages that pass through
IIS. Here's a screenshot I just put together demonstrating this
feature.

http://i.imgur.com/tBfFfC9.png

In this screenshot, the only thing I've changed from the default
behavior is the Edit Error Pages Settings - the default value is the
third radio button.

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
1-202-527-9569
http://www.figleaf.com/
http://training.figleaf.com/

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(SDVOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-
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Re: Enable Request Debugging Output not working

2015-04-06 Thread Michael Grant


My own personal, and albeit completely anecdotal, experience bears out what
Russ has written. By default you get the crappy 500 error, which the first
time I encountered it kept me running in circles for a while because I
didn't think it was coming from CF.

Hopefully the OP is at least being entertained if not helped.

MG





On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 3:48 PM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote:


 clealry I do know better than you, I suggest you take off your arrogamce
 hat for a while and actually try it with a clean install of IIS and you
 will find out that I am correct and that CF errors are not displayed by
 default, just a 500 server error.





 On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 8:35 PM, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.au
 wrote:

 
  ârotflmao, as a hosting provider you should know better.â
 
  Regards,
  Andrew Scott
  WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
  Google+:  http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411
 
 
  On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 5:34 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk
 wrote:
 
  
   sorry but you are wrong, as a hosting provider I deal with this all the
   time on many many servers.
   what I said below is correct.
  
   On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 8:23 PM, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.au
   wrote:
  
   
Russ,
   
By default IIS is set to either send Detailed if local or Custom if
   remote,
if one is changing this setting on a remote server it is likely to
 be a
production server and should not be be touched. At least this is the
  way
   I
read that, but again you don't need to touch any IIS setting when
  dealing
with ColdFusion errors at all.
   
Which can be explained in more detail here.
   
   
   
  
 
 http://www.iis.net/learn/troubleshoot/diagnosing-http-errors/how-to-use-http-detailed-errors-in-iis
   
   
   
   
Regards,
Andrew Scott
WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
Google+:  http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411
   
   
On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 3:28 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk
   wrote:
   

 by default IIS will display a 500 server error if it gets back a CF
   error
 page as it doesn't know what to do with it as it doesn't send a
 valid
error
 code that matches any IIS errors.
 In order to see the REAL cf error you have to turn on detailed
 error
 messages in IIS, or you have to create a custom error page to
 display
 instead of the 500 server error.


   
   
   
  
  
 
 

 

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Re: Enable Request Debugging Output not working


the only person arguing here is you, you seem very insistent on getting the
last word and one-upping everyone today.
All I have done is assert a fact I know to be true.

On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 8:52 PM, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.au
wrote:


 Russ,

 *sigh* I think you're arguing with the wrong guy. Yes, that is what
 happens. Under a default install of IIS, the setting for the error pages is
 as described in the picture in the last link I sent. There is no denying
 that is the default setting, then on top of that I clearly stated that YOU
 MUST CHANGE the ColdFusion sending of Status codes for the ColdFusion
 error, I also clearly stated that YOU DO NOT have to change any IIS setting
 to do this. I then clearly provided a link to back up that YOU DO NOT have
 to change any IIS setting.

 Now I believe you're arguing with the wrong person and what you are arguing
 back at me, is not what I have said at all!



 Regards,
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 On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 5:48 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote:

 
  clealry I do know better than you, I suggest you take off your arrogamce
  hat for a while and actually try it with a clean install of IIS and you
  will find out that I am correct and that CF errors are not displayed by
  default, just a 500 server error.
 
 
 
 
 
  On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 8:35 PM, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.au
  wrote:
 
  
   ârotflmao, as a hosting provider you should know better.â
  
   Regards,
   Andrew Scott
   WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
   Google+:  http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411
  
  
   On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 5:34 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk
  wrote:
  
   
sorry but you are wrong, as a hosting provider I deal with this all
 the
time on many many servers.
what I said below is correct.
   
On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 8:23 PM, Andrew Scott 
 andr...@andyscott.id.au
wrote:
   

 Russ,

 By default IIS is set to either send Detailed if local or Custom if
remote,
 if one is changing this setting on a remote server it is likely to
  be a
 production server and should not be be touched. At least this is
 the
   way
I
 read that, but again you don't need to touch any IIS setting when
   dealing
 with ColdFusion errors at all.

 Which can be explained in more detail here.



   
  
 
 http://www.iis.net/learn/troubleshoot/diagnosing-http-errors/how-to-use-http-detailed-errors-in-iis




 Regards,
 Andrew Scott
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 On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 3:28 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk
 
wrote:

 
  by default IIS will display a 500 server error if it gets back a
 CF
error
  page as it doesn't know what to do with it as it doesn't send a
  valid
 error
  code that matches any IIS errors.
  In order to see the REAL cf error you have to turn on detailed
  error
  messages in IIS, or you have to create a custom error page to
  display
  instead of the 500 server error.
 
 



   
   
  
  
 
 

 

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Re: Enable Request Debugging Output not working


clealry I do know better than you, I suggest you take off your arrogamce
hat for a while and actually try it with a clean install of IIS and you
will find out that I am correct and that CF errors are not displayed by
default, just a 500 server error.





On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 8:35 PM, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.au
wrote:


 ârotflmao, as a hosting provider you should know better.â

 Regards,
 Andrew Scott
 WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
 Google+:  http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411


 On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 5:34 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote:

 
  sorry but you are wrong, as a hosting provider I deal with this all the
  time on many many servers.
  what I said below is correct.
 
  On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 8:23 PM, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.au
  wrote:
 
  
   Russ,
  
   By default IIS is set to either send Detailed if local or Custom if
  remote,
   if one is changing this setting on a remote server it is likely to be a
   production server and should not be be touched. At least this is the
 way
  I
   read that, but again you don't need to touch any IIS setting when
 dealing
   with ColdFusion errors at all.
  
   Which can be explained in more detail here.
  
  
  
 
 http://www.iis.net/learn/troubleshoot/diagnosing-http-errors/how-to-use-http-detailed-errors-in-iis
  
  
  
  
   Regards,
   Andrew Scott
   WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
   Google+:  http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411
  
  
   On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 3:28 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk
  wrote:
  
   
by default IIS will display a 500 server error if it gets back a CF
  error
page as it doesn't know what to do with it as it doesn't send a valid
   error
code that matches any IIS errors.
In order to see the REAL cf error you have to turn on detailed error
messages in IIS, or you have to create a custom error page to display
instead of the 500 server error.
   
   
  
  
  
 
 

 

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Re: Enable Request Debugging Output not working


sorry but you are wrong, as a hosting provider I deal with this all the
time on many many servers.
what I said below is correct.

On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 8:23 PM, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.au
wrote:


 Russ,

 By default IIS is set to either send Detailed if local or Custom if remote,
 if one is changing this setting on a remote server it is likely to be a
 production server and should not be be touched. At least this is the way I
 read that, but again you don't need to touch any IIS setting when dealing
 with ColdFusion errors at all.

 Which can be explained in more detail here.


 http://www.iis.net/learn/troubleshoot/diagnosing-http-errors/how-to-use-http-detailed-errors-in-iis




 Regards,
 Andrew Scott
 WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
 Google+:  http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411


 On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 3:28 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote:

 
  by default IIS will display a 500 server error if it gets back a CF error
  page as it doesn't know what to do with it as it doesn't send a valid
 error
  code that matches any IIS errors.
  In order to see the REAL cf error you have to turn on detailed error
  messages in IIS, or you have to create a custom error page to display
  instead of the 500 server error.
 
 


 

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Re: Enable Request Debugging Output not working


Russ,

By default IIS is set to either send Detailed if local or Custom if remote,
if one is changing this setting on a remote server it is likely to be a
production server and should not be be touched. At least this is the way I
read that, but again you don't need to touch any IIS setting when dealing
with ColdFusion errors at all.

Which can be explained in more detail here.

http://www.iis.net/learn/troubleshoot/diagnosing-http-errors/how-to-use-http-detailed-errors-in-iis




Regards,
Andrew Scott
WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
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On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 3:28 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote:


 by default IIS will display a 500 server error if it gets back a CF error
 page as it doesn't know what to do with it as it doesn't send a valid error
 code that matches any IIS errors.
 In order to see the REAL cf error you have to turn on detailed error
 messages in IIS, or you have to create a custom error page to display
 instead of the 500 server error.




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Re: Enable Request Debugging Output not working


Russ,

*sigh* I think you're arguing with the wrong guy. Yes, that is what
happens. Under a default install of IIS, the setting for the error pages is
as described in the picture in the last link I sent. There is no denying
that is the default setting, then on top of that I clearly stated that YOU
MUST CHANGE the ColdFusion sending of Status codes for the ColdFusion
error, I also clearly stated that YOU DO NOT have to change any IIS setting
to do this. I then clearly provided a link to back up that YOU DO NOT have
to change any IIS setting.

Now I believe you're arguing with the wrong person and what you are arguing
back at me, is not what I have said at all!



Regards,
Andrew Scott
WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
Google+:  http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411


On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 5:48 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote:


 clealry I do know better than you, I suggest you take off your arrogamce
 hat for a while and actually try it with a clean install of IIS and you
 will find out that I am correct and that CF errors are not displayed by
 default, just a 500 server error.





 On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 8:35 PM, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.au
 wrote:

 
  ârotflmao, as a hosting provider you should know better.â
 
  Regards,
  Andrew Scott
  WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
  Google+:  http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411
 
 
  On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 5:34 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk
 wrote:
 
  
   sorry but you are wrong, as a hosting provider I deal with this all the
   time on many many servers.
   what I said below is correct.
  
   On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 8:23 PM, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.au
   wrote:
  
   
Russ,
   
By default IIS is set to either send Detailed if local or Custom if
   remote,
if one is changing this setting on a remote server it is likely to
 be a
production server and should not be be touched. At least this is the
  way
   I
read that, but again you don't need to touch any IIS setting when
  dealing
with ColdFusion errors at all.
   
Which can be explained in more detail here.
   
   
   
  
 
 http://www.iis.net/learn/troubleshoot/diagnosing-http-errors/how-to-use-http-detailed-errors-in-iis
   
   
   
   
Regards,
Andrew Scott
WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
Google+:  http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411
   
   
On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 3:28 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk
   wrote:
   

 by default IIS will display a 500 server error if it gets back a CF
   error
 page as it doesn't know what to do with it as it doesn't send a
 valid
error
 code that matches any IIS errors.
 In order to see the REAL cf error you have to turn on detailed
 error
 messages in IIS, or you have to create a custom error page to
 display
 instead of the 500 server error.


   
   
   
  
  
 
 

 

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Re: Enable Request Debugging Output not working


ârotflmao, as a hosting provider you should know better.â

Regards,
Andrew Scott
WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
Google+:  http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411


On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 5:34 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote:


 sorry but you are wrong, as a hosting provider I deal with this all the
 time on many many servers.
 what I said below is correct.

 On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 8:23 PM, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.au
 wrote:

 
  Russ,
 
  By default IIS is set to either send Detailed if local or Custom if
 remote,
  if one is changing this setting on a remote server it is likely to be a
  production server and should not be be touched. At least this is the way
 I
  read that, but again you don't need to touch any IIS setting when dealing
  with ColdFusion errors at all.
 
  Which can be explained in more detail here.
 
 
 
 http://www.iis.net/learn/troubleshoot/diagnosing-http-errors/how-to-use-http-detailed-errors-in-iis
 
 
 
 
  Regards,
  Andrew Scott
  WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
  Google+:  http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411
 
 
  On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 3:28 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk
 wrote:
 
  
   by default IIS will display a 500 server error if it gets back a CF
 error
   page as it doesn't know what to do with it as it doesn't send a valid
  error
   code that matches any IIS errors.
   In order to see the REAL cf error you have to turn on detailed error
   messages in IIS, or you have to create a custom error page to display
   instead of the 500 server error.
  
  
 
 
 

 

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Re: Enable Request Debugging Output not working


Not to mention the display friendly error messages in IIS, is for ASP!!

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On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 12:24 PM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote:


 yes that is true, however debug output is not an error, it is the debugging
 information that added to the bottom of a page.




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RE: Enable Request Debugging Output not working

2015-04-06 Thread David Phelan


Andrew,

IIS will capture CF errors and display friendly error messages if it is set to. 
 The debugging output, however, should display regardless of this setting as, 
as you stated, it is not an error.  I would look at the source to see if the 
output is being generated and simply being hidden by a code  or CSS change.  I 
know  that I've had that happen to me.  Also check to see that the setting in 
the CF admin has not changes to display the output in dockable state.  If you 
have your browser set to open everything in new tabs, the output would be on a 
different tab.  I would also, as Russ stated, look for CFSETTING tags that 
might be disabling the output.

But if it suddenly stopped working, then I would suspect an unclosed tag or CSS 
change.

Dave

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Subject: Re: Enable Request Debugging Output not working


Not to mention the display friendly error messages in IIS, is for ASP!!

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On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 12:24 PM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote:


 yes that is true, however debug output is not an error, it is the 
 debugging information that added to the bottom of a page.






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Re: Enable Request Debugging Output not working


David,

I am very well aware after nearly 20 years of CF Development how it works,
IIS doesn't capture CF errors at all. It only displays what is sent to it,
in ColdFusion's case if it is not sending the status codes it usually ends
up with a blank page. You can make any adjustments to IIS you like it will
make no difference.


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On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 11:20 PM, David Phelan dphe...@emerginghealthit.com
wrote:


 Andrew,

 IIS will capture CF errors and display friendly error messages if it is
 set to.  The debugging output, however, should display regardless of this
 setting as, as you stated, it is not an error.  I would look at the source
 to see if the output is being generated and simply being hidden by a code
 or CSS change.  I know  that I've had that happen to me.  Also check to see
 that the setting in the CF admin has not changes to display the output in
 dockable state.  If you have your browser set to open everything in new
 tabs, the output would be on a different tab.  I would also, as Russ
 stated, look for CFSETTING tags that might be disabling the output.

 But if it suddenly stopped working, then I would suspect an unclosed tag
 or CSS change.

 Dave

 -Original Message-
 From: Andrew Scott [mailto:andr...@andyscott.id.au]
 Sent: Monday, April 06, 2015 2:17 AM
 To: cf-talk
 Subject: Re: Enable Request Debugging Output not working


 Not to mention the display friendly error messages in IIS, is for ASP!!

 Regards,
 Andrew Scott
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 wrote:

 
  yes that is true, however debug output is not an error, it is the
  debugging information that added to the bottom of a page.
 
 




 

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Re: Enable Request Debugging Output not working


 I am very well aware after nearly 20 years of CF Development how it works,
 IIS doesn't capture CF errors at all. It only displays what is sent to it,
 in ColdFusion's case if it is not sending the status codes it usually ends
 up with a blank page. You can make any adjustments to IIS you like it will
 make no difference.

That has not been my experience. More than once I've had to change IIS
settings to view CF's error messages.

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1-202-527-9569
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Re: Enable Request Debugging Output not working


I guess my installs of IIS work, cause the only time I have to make any
changes is in CF where it says send HTTP status codes, nothing more and
nothing less.

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On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 1:45 AM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote:


  I am very well aware after nearly 20 years of CF Development how it
 works,
  IIS doesn't capture CF errors at all. It only displays what is sent to
 it,
  in ColdFusion's case if it is not sending the status codes it usually
 ends
  up with a blank page. You can make any adjustments to IIS you like it
 will
  make no difference.

 That has not been my experience. More than once I've had to change IIS
 settings to view CF's error messages.

 Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
 1-202-527-9569
 http://www.figleaf.com/
 http://training.figleaf.com/

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 (SDVOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-
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Re: Enable Request Debugging Output not working


But Dave.

This in IIS

friendly error messages

Has nothing to do with ColdFusion output, nothing at all.


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  I guess my installs of IIS work, cause the only time I have to make any
  changes is in CF where it says send HTTP status codes, nothing more and
  nothing less.

 That's good for you! But there are many installs of IIS out there
 besides your own, and those installs might be configured differently
 from yours for a variety of reasons.

 Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
 1-202-527-9569
 http://www.figleaf.com/
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Re: Enable Request Debugging Output not working


 I guess my installs of IIS work, cause the only time I have to make any
 changes is in CF where it says send HTTP status codes, nothing more and
 nothing less.

That's good for you! But there are many installs of IIS out there
besides your own, and those installs might be configured differently
from yours for a variety of reasons.

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Re: Enable Request Debugging Output not working

2015-04-06 Thread Charles Sheehan-Miles


I believe the issue here, is that when you have the status code option set in 
ColdFusion, ColdFusion uses an H TTP status of 200, even for error pages.

If you don't have that option, ColdFusion sends out status codes of 500 or 
whatever with there's an eeror. IIS does intercept those.

Forget the imperfect language, I'm dictating to my phone


Sent from my iPhone

 On Apr 6, 2015, at 12:31 PM, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.au wrote:
 
 
 But Dave.
 
 This in IIS
 
 friendly error messages
 
 Has nothing to do with ColdFusion output, nothing at all.
 
 
 Regards,
 Andrew Scott
 WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
 Google+:  http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411
 
 
 On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 2:23 AM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote:
 
 
 I guess my installs of IIS work, cause the only time I have to make any
 changes is in CF where it says send HTTP status codes, nothing more and
 nothing less.
 
 That's good for you! But there are many installs of IIS out there
 besides your own, and those installs might be configured differently
 from yours for a variety of reasons.
 
 Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
 1-202-527-9569
 http://www.figleaf.com/
 http://training.figleaf.com/
 
 Fig Leaf Software is a Service-Disabled Veteran-Owned Small Business
 (SDVOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-
 authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite.
 
 

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Re: Enable Request Debugging Output not working


Charles it is neither here nor there. ColdFusion Robust Exceptions need
this setting to be enabled in ColdFusion, the display friendly error
messages is a browser option and is not something one has to touch anyway.
The other option in IIS is the setting of Custom ASP errors, there is no
other setting in IIS that deals with Friendly error messages. So if you
don't have ASP installed like myself, you will not even see these options
at all.

Now as ColdFusion requires you to have the setting I clearly stated earlier
in the thread, that means Robust Exceptions will be displayed and if you
have the other options set attached to the end of your pages output. There
is NO setting in IIS that can or will need to be touched if this section of
ColdFusion is not working, I made that very clear as well.

I just checked 3 servers here that doesn't have ASP.Net installed, not one
of these servers has any setting that can adjust friendly error messages,
but there is this option in IE if you use IE that is. The only thing I know
of is when you use ASP.Net so that it displays more info than the friendly
message that is displayed. In ASP.Net this is the same as turning on Robust
Exceptions in ColdFusion.





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On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 2:45 AM, Charles Sheehan-Miles 
char...@sheehanmiles.net wrote:


 I believe the issue here, is that when you have the status code option set
 in ColdFusion, ColdFusion uses an H TTP status of 200, even for error pages.

 If you don't have that option, ColdFusion sends out status codes of 500 or
 whatever with there's an eeror. IIS does intercept those.

 Forget the imperfect language, I'm dictating to my phone


 Sent from my iPhone

  On Apr 6, 2015, at 12:31 PM, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.au
 wrote:
 
 
  But Dave.
 
  This in IIS
 
  friendly error messages
 
  Has nothing to do with ColdFusion output, nothing at all.
 
 
  Regards,
  Andrew Scott
  WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
  Google+:  http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411
 
 
  On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 2:23 AM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote:
 
 
  I guess my installs of IIS work, cause the only time I have to make any
  changes is in CF where it says send HTTP status codes, nothing more and
  nothing less.
 
  That's good for you! But there are many installs of IIS out there
  besides your own, and those installs might be configured differently
  from yours for a variety of reasons.
 
  Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
  1-202-527-9569
  http://www.figleaf.com/
  http://training.figleaf.com/
 
  Fig Leaf Software is a Service-Disabled Veteran-Owned Small Business
  (SDVOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-
  authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite.
 
 

 

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Re: Enable Request Debugging Output not working


 This in IIS

 friendly error messages

 Has nothing to do with ColdFusion output, nothing at all.

No, but that's not what I responded to. Here's what I responded to,
specifically:

I am very well aware after nearly 20 years of CF Development how it
works, IIS doesn't capture CF errors at all. It only displays what is
sent to it, in ColdFusion's case if it is not sending the status codes
it usually ends up with a blank page. You can make any adjustments to
IIS you like it will make no difference.

This has not been true, in my experience. And all it takes is one case
where it's not true, to be able to state categorically that it's not
always true.

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Re: Enable Request Debugging Output not working


Whatever Dave, like I said this option is for ASP only.

Here is a support article that a quick Google search dug up, if you can
provide where in IIS you make this change I will eat my words.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/294807?wa=wsignin1.0



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On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 2:59 AM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote:


  This in IIS
 
  friendly error messages
 
  Has nothing to do with ColdFusion output, nothing at all.

 No, but that's not what I responded to. Here's what I responded to,
 specifically:

 I am very well aware after nearly 20 years of CF Development how it
 works, IIS doesn't capture CF errors at all. It only displays what is
 sent to it, in ColdFusion's case if it is not sending the status codes
 it usually ends up with a blank page. You can make any adjustments to
 IIS you like it will make no difference.

 This has not been true, in my experience. And all it takes is one case
 where it's not true, to be able to state categorically that it's not
 always true.

 Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
 1-202-527-9569
 http://www.figleaf.com/
 http://training.figleaf.com/

 Fig Leaf Software is a Service-Disabled Veteran-Owned Small Business
 (SDVOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-
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Re: Enable Request Debugging Output not working

2015-04-05 Thread Charles Sheehan-Miles


With all due respect, thats simply not true.  IIS, depending on your settings, 
will replace coldfusion errors with a blank 500 error page.  A simple google 
search turn up dozens and dozens of times that question was asked and resolved 
by changing IIS settings. Thats how I fixed my dev machine a week ago.

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/13426984/500-internal-server-error-for-sql-server-error


 On Apr 5, 2015, at 5:37 PM, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.au wrote:
 
 
 IIS friendly error messages has absolutely nothing to do with Robust
 debugging.
 
 
 Regards,
 Andrew Scott
 WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/
 Google+:  http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411
 
 
 On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 4:52 AM, Charles Sheehan-Miles 
 char...@sheehanmiles.net wrote:
 
 
 I had this recently... The problem wasn't Coldfusion at all, it was IIS.
 Even locally I couldn't get debugging. Check website settings and make sure
 friendly error messages or whatever it turned off (sorry I'm not at a
 computer so can't remember the exact terminology)
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 
 
 

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Re: Enable Request Debugging Output not working

2015-04-05 Thread Andrew Scott

That is correct and why there is a setting in ColdFusion to pass on the
correct HTTP status code to IIS.

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On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 10:31 AM, Charles Sheehan-Miles
char...@sheehanmiles.net wrote:

With all due respect, thatâs simply not true. IIS, depending on your
settings, will replace coldfusion errors with a blank 500 error page. A
simple google search turn up dozens and dozens of times that question was
asked and resolved by changing IIS settings. Thatâs how I fixed my dev
machine a week ago.

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/13426984/500-internal-server-error-for-sql-server-error

On Apr 5, 2015, at 5:37 PM, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.au
wrote:

IIS friendly error messages has absolutely nothing to do with Robust
debugging.

Regards,
Andrew Scott
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On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 4:52 AM, Charles Sheehan-Miles
char...@sheehanmiles.net wrote:

I had this recently... The problem wasn't Coldfusion at all, it was IIS.
Even locally I couldn't get debugging. Check website settings and make
sure
friendly error messages or whatever it turned off (sorry I'm not at a
computer so can't remember the exact terminology)

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Enable Request Debugging Output not working

2015-04-05 Thread Russ Michaels

yes that is true, however debug output is not an error, it is the debugging
information that added to the bottom of a page.

On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 1:31 AM, Charles Sheehan-Miles
char...@sheehanmiles.net wrote:

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/13426984/500-internal-server-error-for-sql-server-error

On Apr 5, 2015, at 5:37 PM, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.au
wrote:

IIS friendly error messages has absolutely nothing to do with Robust
debugging.

Regards,
Andrew Scott
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char...@sheehanmiles.net wrote:

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Enable Request Debugging Output not working

2015-04-05 Thread Andrew Scott


IIS friendly error messages has absolutely nothing to do with Robust
debugging.


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On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 4:52 AM, Charles Sheehan-Miles 
char...@sheehanmiles.net wrote:


 I had this recently... The problem wasn't Coldfusion at all, it was IIS.
 Even locally I couldn't get debugging. Check website settings and make sure
 friendly error messages or whatever it turned off (sorry I'm not at a
 computer so can't remember the exact terminology)

 Sent from my iPhone



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Re: Enable Request Debugging Output not working

2015-04-05 Thread Russ Michaels


Do you have any ip restrictions set for the debug output?


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For some reason, suddenly debug output has stopped working on my
development machine.  I'm not sure why.  I have tried turning it off and
on, restarting the server, restarting the box.  Nothing has helped.  Google
has failed me.  Running on windows 8.1 and IIS.




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Re: Enable Request Debugging Output not working

2015-04-05 Thread Mark Spence


I have added 127.0.0.1 as a ip to serve debug output to, and I have also
removed all ips to have debug info served to all ips.  Neither results in
output.

On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 4:59 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote:


 Do you have any ip restrictions set for the debug output?


 On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 3:49 AM, Mark Spence markpence...@gmail.com
 wrote:


 For some reason, suddenly debug output has stopped working on my
 development machine.  I'm not sure why.  I have tried turning it off and
 on, restarting the server, restarting the box.  Nothing has helped.  Google
 has failed me.  Running on windows 8.1 and IIS.




 

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Re: Enable Request Debugging Output not working

2015-04-05 Thread Charles Sheehan-Miles


I had this recently... The problem wasn't Coldfusion at all, it was IIS. Even 
locally I couldn't get debugging. Check website settings and make sure 
friendly error messages or whatever it turned off (sorry I'm not at a 
computer so can't remember the exact terminology)

Sent from my iPhone

 On Apr 5, 2015, at 2:29 PM, Mark Spence markpence...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
 I have added 127.0.0.1 as a ip to serve debug output to, and I have also
 removed all ips to have debug info served to all ips.  Neither results in
 output.
 
 On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 4:59 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote:
 
 
 Do you have any ip restrictions set for the debug output?
 
 
 On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 3:49 AM, Mark Spence markpence...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 
 For some reason, suddenly debug output has stopped working on my
 development machine.  I'm not sure why.  I have tried turning it off and
 on, restarting the server, restarting the box.  Nothing has helped.  Google
 has failed me.  Running on windows 8.1 and IIS.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

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Re: Enable Request Debugging Output not working

2015-04-05 Thread Russ Michaels


The most common cause is that you have a CFSETTING in your code somewhere
that is preventing the debug output.
Have you tried simply creating a simple test page outside of your
application to check if the debug output works ?

On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 7:29 PM, Mark Spence markpence...@gmail.com wrote:


 I have added 127.0.0.1 as a ip to serve debug output to, and I have also
 removed all ips to have debug info served to all ips.  Neither results in
 output.

 On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 4:59 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote:

 
  Do you have any ip restrictions set for the debug output?
 
 
  On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 3:49 AM, Mark Spence markpence...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
 
  For some reason, suddenly debug output has stopped working on my
  development machine.  I'm not sure why.  I have tried turning it off and
  on, restarting the server, restarting the box.  Nothing has helped.
 Google
  has failed me.  Running on windows 8.1 and IIS.
 
 
 
 
 

 

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Re: Handling invalid recipient in mailing list

2015-04-04 Thread anene.quorium


Hi guys,

I havehave

Sent from Samsung tablet


Mike K afpwebwo...@gmail.com wrote:


You probably know already, but I'll say it just in case ... you can rarely
have a 100% clean list. I have found that even after you just clean up
a list, your next mailing will have rejects in it.   Even if it's only a
few minutes since you last cleaned it up.

Your error handling needs to be able to differentiate between temporary
problems (e.g. mailbox full)  and permanent problems (e.g. that user not
known here) .  Your block of ip addresses can be blocked if someone in
the same data centre gets flagged as a spammer.   And that can be only
transient too, so next time you try to bulk email some of the ones that
were rejected as sender address blocked are not rejected now.

Then there are the ones that are rejected because their mailbox is full.
It might be full because it's an inactive email address (i.e. permanent) ,
or simply that they have been on vacation and havent picked up email for a
while (i.e. temporary).  Or they might be in arrears with the credit
department at their email hosting service,  which will be cleared again
once they pay their bill.

I usually flag bouncing email addresses  but still include them in the next
couple of emails.  If they bounce 3 times I consider them to be dead and
remove them from the list.


-- 
Cheers
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Windsor, NSW, Australia
Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer
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RE: Handling invalid recipient in mailing list

2015-04-03 Thread Dave Long


Thanks so much to all and to Mike and William, I will be putting your advice
on the top of my list of things to do. The list in question has
approximately 5,500 names but, by the time it is cleaned up, will probably
be closer to 5,000. 

The idea of not disturbing subscribers unnecessarily is most attractive.

Thanks again.

Dave

-Original Message-
From: William Seiter [mailto:will...@seiter.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2015 7:32 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: RE: Handling invalid recipient in mailing list


Dave,

You could have your code 'automatically' scrub the list and use a 'log' to
keep track of the changes.  This way you won't have to do a test run.  
Also, you could set up your code on a 'dummy' email server that will send
the email but trap it prior to being mailed, this way you don't have to
bother your recipients list.
Also, you could create an email validation loop so that you can 'verify' the
list without the concern for sending an email out at all (instead of doing a
'cfmail' tag, you would do the validation of the email address).

I don't know how large your recipient's list is, but I would try to not
bother them with testing emails.

Just my 2 pence,
William


--
William Seiter

-Original Message-
From: Dave Long [mailto:d...@northgoods.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2015 3:55 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: RE: Handling invalid recipient in mailing list


Thanks to all. The scheme worked perfectly. Next I will have to warn my
recipients that a test is coming so I can remove invalid recipients. 

Unless maybe you can suggest a method to delete them as they occur. I intend
to add a confirmation message requirement to our contact form, which should
have been there all along, but a means of automatically cleaning the
existing mailing list would help everyone... me most of all though.

Thanks again for your help.

Dave Long

-Original Message-
From: Rick [mailto:cfh...@kchost.net]
Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2015 5:20 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: RE: Handling invalid recipient in mailing list


cftry

 Run you CFMAIL..

  cfcatchMark email bad in database/cfcatch /cftry



-Original Message-
From: Dave Long [mailto:d...@northgoods.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2015 5:12 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Handling invalid recipient in mailing list


I am trying to send a mass mailing to a somewhat carelessly created list of
contacts using e-mail addresses which were not verified at the time of
entry. Whenever the cfloop tag comes to an erroneous recipient, it quits and
throws an error. Is there anything I can do to the code to make it keep
going?

Here's the code:

CFLOOP list=#Form.SelectedRecipients# index=Recipient
CFMAIL
from=#Form.Sender#
to=#Recipient#
subject=#Form.Subject#
type=HTML

htmlheadlink rel=stylesheet
href=http://www.northgoods.com/global.css; type=text/css //headbody
bgcolor=black
table width=800 align=center
TR
TD align=center colspan=2
table width=800 align=center border=4 cellpadding=10
bgcolor=blacktrtd
strongfont face=Arial size=+1 color=##FF6600
#Form.Message#
/font/strong
/td/tr/table
table align=center
trth colspan=2strongfont face=Arial size=-1
color=##FF6600If you would like to be removed frombrour mailing list,
please click here:/font/strongbr
a
href=http://www.northgoods.com/unsubscribe.cfm?delEmail=#Recipient#;
title=UNSUBSCRIBEfont face=Arial size=-1
color=whitestrongUNSUBSCRIBE/strong/font/abr
font face=Arial size=-1 color=##FF6600You will receive one last
message from us to confirm your removal from our
list./font/strong/th/tr /TABLE/body/html
/CFMAIL
/CFLOOP










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Re: Handling invalid recipient in mailing list

2015-04-03 Thread Russ Michaels


Dave,

you can validate your email addresses automatically simply by using the
Likes of Mailchip, which will validate allthe email addresses when you
submit them and remove the bogus ones, it will also automatically remove
bounce addresses for you as well.


On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 1:19 PM, Dave Long d...@northgoods.com wrote:


 Thanks so much to all and to Mike and William, I will be putting your
 advice
 on the top of my list of things to do. The list in question has
 approximately 5,500 names but, by the time it is cleaned up, will probably
 be closer to 5,000.

 The idea of not disturbing subscribers unnecessarily is most attractive.

 Thanks again.

 Dave

 -Original Message-
 From: William Seiter [mailto:will...@seiter.com]
 Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2015 7:32 PM
 To: cf-talk
 Subject: RE: Handling invalid recipient in mailing list


 Dave,

 You could have your code 'automatically' scrub the list and use a 'log' to
 keep track of the changes.  This way you won't have to do a test run.
 Also, you could set up your code on a 'dummy' email server that will send
 the email but trap it prior to being mailed, this way you don't have to
 bother your recipients list.
 Also, you could create an email validation loop so that you can 'verify'
 the
 list without the concern for sending an email out at all (instead of doing
 a
 'cfmail' tag, you would do the validation of the email address).

 I don't know how large your recipient's list is, but I would try to not
 bother them with testing emails.

 Just my 2 pence,
 William


 --
 William Seiter

 -Original Message-
 From: Dave Long [mailto:d...@northgoods.com]
 Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2015 3:55 PM
 To: cf-talk
 Subject: RE: Handling invalid recipient in mailing list


 Thanks to all. The scheme worked perfectly. Next I will have to warn my
 recipients that a test is coming so I can remove invalid recipients.

 Unless maybe you can suggest a method to delete them as they occur. I
 intend
 to add a confirmation message requirement to our contact form, which should
 have been there all along, but a means of automatically cleaning the
 existing mailing list would help everyone... me most of all though.

 Thanks again for your help.

 Dave Long

 -Original Message-
 From: Rick [mailto:cfh...@kchost.net]
 Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2015 5:20 PM
 To: cf-talk
 Subject: RE: Handling invalid recipient in mailing list


 cftry

  Run you CFMAIL..

   cfcatchMark email bad in database/cfcatch /cftry



 -Original Message-
 From: Dave Long [mailto:d...@northgoods.com]
 Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2015 5:12 PM
 To: cf-talk
 Subject: Handling invalid recipient in mailing list


 I am trying to send a mass mailing to a somewhat carelessly created list of
 contacts using e-mail addresses which were not verified at the time of
 entry. Whenever the cfloop tag comes to an erroneous recipient, it quits
 and
 throws an error. Is there anything I can do to the code to make it keep
 going?

 Here's the code:

 CFLOOP list=#Form.SelectedRecipients# index=Recipient
 CFMAIL
 from=#Form.Sender#
 to=#Recipient#
 subject=#Form.Subject#
 type=HTML
 
 htmlheadlink rel=stylesheet
 href=http://www.northgoods.com/global.css; type=text/css //headbody
 bgcolor=black
 table width=800 align=center
 TR
 TD align=center colspan=2
 table width=800 align=center border=4 cellpadding=10
 bgcolor=blacktrtd
 strongfont face=Arial size=+1 color=##FF6600
 #Form.Message#
 /font/strong
 /td/tr/table
 table align=center
 trth colspan=2strongfont face=Arial size=-1
 color=##FF6600If you would like to be removed frombrour mailing list,
 please click here:/font/strongbr
 a
 href=http://www.northgoods.com/unsubscribe.cfm?delEmail=#Recipient#;
 title=UNSUBSCRIBEfont face=Arial size=-1
 color=whitestrongUNSUBSCRIBE/strong/font/abr
 font face=Arial size=-1 color=##FF6600You will receive one last
 message from us to confirm your removal from our
 list./font/strong/th/tr /TABLE/body/html
 /CFMAIL
 /CFLOOP










 

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RE: Handling invalid recipient in mailing list


The CFTRY and CFCATCH method described earlier is a great method for a
partial scrub. That method will scrub those email addresses which are
malformed or have invalid syntax. That's a great start, but there are two
additional things you should do as well:

 

1.   Use the FAILTO feature of the CFMAIL tag and send the failed mail
to an alternate return address.  This will allow you to identify the mail
where the email address has a valid syntax but is undeliverable.  Of course,
you'll need to parse through the mail to see why it's undeliverable based on
the system messages. Some will be hard failures which are undeliverable
because the email address is invalid or the account is discontinued. Those
are sure fire mails to remove. Others will be soft failures with messages
mailbox full or temporarily unable to connect with server.  Those are
suspect mails and if you keep a history of those, you may see some patterns
like a mail box which is always full.  After several of those type returns
you can probably assume no one is collecting the mail and purge those as
well.



2.   You should also be sure to provide an Unsubscribe option on the
mail.  I'd assume you are most likely doing that as that's required by the
CAN SPAM ACT.  You can hook that up to a query so people can just do it
themselves with no action needed from you. 

 

When sending bulk mail to a mail list it's important that you clean the list
of failed mail and provide an opt-out option. Failure to do either could get
your mail server blacklisted. and that's a headache you don't want to deal
with.  A high rate of failed mail and no opt-out feature will get you
blacklisted very quickly. 

 

If you are going to this a lot,  it's also a good idea you allow the mail so
spool (cfmail spoolenable=yes) and you may even want to write a trickle
program to slow down the outbound mail stream.  If you have a bunch a mail
going to the same server (or servers) and you're not trickling the mail, the
server will try to send a bunch very quickly and your mail server could make
multiple connections to the other server. Too many concurrent connections is
another thing that's sets of the SPAM alarms and could also get you
blacklisted.

 

Lastly, to ensure your mail does not go the SPAM box, be sure you test the
content in a SPAM RATING service.  There are a lot of filters you can run
the mail content through and get a rating telling you how 'spamy' the mail
looks. There are a bunch of things they look - various trigger words like
FREE, BUY NOW, VIAGRA, etc., malformed HTML, too many pictures and not
enough text content, etc.

 

Hope this was helpful. 

 

 

Robert Harrison

Full Stack Developer

AIMG

rharri...@aimg.com

Main Office: 704-321-1234  ext.118

Direct Line: 516-302-4345

www.aimg.com

 

 

 



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RE: Handling invalid recipient in mailing list


 I never use anything but Mail Chimp for bulk mail sends

Honestly, I too highly recommend a service like Mail Chimp or Constant
Contact, or Emma.  They clearly have their place and the headache of getting
blacklisted is miserable, but sometimes you have a situation where the
options and functions are built-into and integrated with the core site (or
sites).  In that case it may be best to 'roll you own' as they say.

Thanks

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Re: Handling invalid recipient in mailing list

2015-04-03 Thread Dean Lawrence


You can also utilize a tool like BoogieBounce by Boogie Tools (
http://www.boogietools.com/). I've used this in the past and it works
great. It allows you to determine the cause of a rejected email (hard
bounce, soft bounce, server unreachable, etc.) and then programmatically
deal with it as needed. I would agree though, over the years I have
switched to using 3rd party mailing services for lists, as the number of
man-hours and headaches caused by managing the email are not worth it.

On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 10:37 AM Robert Harrison rharri...@aimg.com wrote:


 It is true that using a service like Mail Chimp to validate a mail list is
 an easy way to validate a mail list, but the steps I detailed are a valid
 alternative for any full blown system you may be managing.

 I've written systems that have opt-in, opt-out features and utilize a
 variety of merged lists, like customer lists, prospect lists, interest
 lists, etc.  These are lists which are constantly changing based on user
 actions and other factors.  If you're managing a dynamic, living list,
 those
 steps probably are the most valid. For one-offs, the service, as you
 suggest, is probably the best solution.


 Robert Harrison
 Full Stack Developer
 AIMG
 rharri...@aimg.com
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 Direct Line: 516-302-4345
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RE: Handling invalid recipient in mailing list


I agree that using a third part service is highly desirable, but depending
on the integration and the client it may not be feasible. I clearly have
clients that would never allow their mail list or the mail content to be
placed on any third-party server for compliance and/or security reasons...
real or perceived.

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Re: Handling invalid recipient in mailing list

2015-04-03 Thread Kelly Matthews


Have any of you tried Amazon SES for email?  I paid to clean my list and then 
started using them. 
I can send out 20,000 emails for $2. Its so much cheaper. I do use a software 
program called Sendy
 in conjunction with Amazon which cost $50 (one time). 

Just thought Id mention it, but its about 2% of the cost to send emails. 

Kelly


 On Apr 3, 2015, at 10:29 AM, Rob Voyle robvo...@voyle.com wrote:
 
 
 Hi Folks
 
 Robert details all the steps to keeping an email list clean and valid.
 Having done that in the past and for a list of 5000 addresses I would say it 
 is a 
 far better deal to go with one of the email newsletter companies. Having 
 tried 
 several I can highly recommend mailchimp http://mailchimp.com/
 
 They offer several benefits.
 
 1. They clean the bounced email and keep the list valid. (no programing to 
 write 
 and validate)
 
 2. They have deals with ISPs to recognize their bulk email as legit. When I 
 was 
 doing that privately it was a headache to stay on top of all the ISP's spam 
 protections and have my server continually validated. (And if you are on a 
 shared server forget it as you will be vulnerable to all the other user's bad 
 practices and reputation)
 
 3. The time saving was well worth the $s
 
 4. If you do decide to use a provider check their rules about establishing 
 your 
 list. (some such as icontact will require you to do a new optin on your 
 already 
 established list, and then they will block anyone who does not re-optin. 
 Those 
 address could then never be resubsbcribed even by their owner.)
 
 Rob
 Robert J. Voyle, Psy.D.
 Director, Clergy Leadership Institute
 For Coaching and Training in Appreciative Inquiry
 Author: Restoring Hope: Appreciative Strategies
to Resolve Grief and Resentment
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Re: Sudden error with CFHTTP ans SSL

2015-04-03 Thread Claude Schnéegans


 Payments were getting processed but the results
confirmation didn't work. This is on Coldfusion 8.

That was exactly the problem, on CF 9 also.

 the certificate needed is the Verisign G5 certificate

In my case, the certificate I got from the Paypal site was a Symantec 
certificate.
That is probably the problem: Paypal must have moved from Verisign to Symantec, 
which is logical since both Paypal ans Symantec are owned by eBay.


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Re: Sudden error with CFHTTP ans SSL

2015-04-03 Thread Michael van Leest


Verisign certificate products have been taken over by Symantec.

2015-04-03 18:54 GMT+02:00 :


  Payments were getting processed but the results
 confirmation didn't work. This is on Coldfusion 8.

 That was exactly the problem, on CF 9 also.

  the certificate needed is the Verisign G5 certificate

 In my case, the certificate I got from the Paypal site was a Symantec
 certificate.
 That is probably the problem: Paypal must have moved from Verisign to
 Symantec, which is logical since both Paypal ans Symantec are owned by eBay.


 

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Re: Handling invalid recipient in mailing list

2015-04-03 Thread anene.quorium


Hi guys,

I have a rule of thumb. NEVER DELETE ANY DATA. Be it an obsolete email, a 
diseased customer, etc. I just flag the as NOT TO BE USED. This is because over 
time, someone may decide to activate that data and become your next biggest 
buyer.

Also, with respect to newsletters, I have over 17,000 emails in my list. (I 
know its not as much as yours), but after spending so much with the likes of 
icontact and campaign monitor, I decided to get ingenious. So I segmented the 
list into minor groups of 2,000. Then I churned our this flow in my code:

1. Select all from list table, but group by list name- this is so I can select 
which list to sent to at a time.

2. Put selected list(s) in a table, then loop through each list one by one, 
confirming:

a) if there are valid emails, using the inValid function, else, isolate (don't 
delete)

b) last contact we had with it. This is to watch out for excessive newsletters 
sent to a particular email weekly

c) etc

3. Loop through emails and Send newsletters to each in the batch, using page 
refresh. By this, I can send to as much as 100 emails in every 10 seconds.

Well, its old fashioned, but I get to save newsletters marketing funds. 

Hehe ;)



Best regards,
Chuka Anene
www.Quorium.org

Sent from Samsung tablet


Mike K afpwebwo...@gmail.com wrote:


You probably know already, but I'll say it just in case ... you can rarely
have a 100% clean list. I have found that even after you just clean up
a list, your next mailing will have rejects in it.   Even if it's only a
few minutes since you last cleaned it up.

Your error handling needs to be able to differentiate between temporary
problems (e.g. mailbox full)  and permanent problems (e.g. that user not
known here) .  Your block of ip addresses can be blocked if someone in
the same data centre gets flagged as a spammer.   And that can be only
transient too, so next time you try to bulk email some of the ones that
were rejected as sender address blocked are not rejected now.

Then there are the ones that are rejected because their mailbox is full.
It might be full because it's an inactive email address (i.e. permanent) ,
or simply that they have been on vacation and havent picked up email for a
while (i.e. temporary).  Or they might be in arrears with the credit
department at their email hosting service,  which will be cleared again
once they pay their bill.

I usually flag bouncing email addresses  but still include them in the next
couple of emails.  If they bounce 3 times I consider them to be dead and
remove them from the list.


-- 
Cheers
Mike Kear
Windsor, NSW, Australia
Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer
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Re: Sudden error with CFHTTP ans SSL

2015-04-03 Thread Al Musella, DPM


When I read these messages, I checked one of my old websites that 
uses paypal integration services and found  that it stopped 
working.  Payments were getting processed but the results 
confirmation didn't work. This is on Coldfusion 8.
Thanks to this thread I found the problem and fixed it.. but just to 
make it faster for others...
the certificate needed is the Verisign G5 certificate which you can 
get at 
https://knowledge.verisign.com/support/mpki-for-ssl-support/index?page=contentactp=CROSSLINKid=SO5624

To see if you have it installed - and to install it if you don't, use:

https://github.com/webdevsourcerer/CF-CertMan
and install the version for your coldfusion version.

After installing, you need to restart the cold fusion service.

For those that like details, the paypal notice is at 
https://ppmts.custhelp.com/ci/fattach/get/471495/1425083092/redirect/1/filename/2015%20Merchant%20Security%20System%20Upgrade%20Guide%20(U.S.%20English).pdf

Thanks


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Re: Sudden error with CFHTTP ans SSL

2015-04-03 Thread Al Musella, DPM


So then is the symantec certificate newer? Should I also add 
that?  What is the link to it? They have so many certificates on paypal



Verisign certificate products have been taken over by Symantec.

2015-04-03 18:54 GMT+02:00 :

 
   Payments were getting processed but the results
  confirmation didn't work. This is on Coldfusion 8.
 
  That was exactly the problem, on CF 9 also.
 
   the certificate needed is the Verisign G5 certificate
 
  In my case, the certificate I got from the Paypal site was a Symantec
  certificate.
  That is probably the problem: Paypal must have moved from Verisign to
  Symantec, which is logical since both Paypal ans Symantec are 
 owned by eBay.
 
 
 



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Re: Sudden error with CFHTTP ans SSL

2015-04-03 Thread Michael van Leest


Best option is to contact PayPal support with that question. They should be
able to point you to the valid certs.

Good luck, Michael

On Friday, April 3, 2015, Al Musella, DPM muse...@virtualtrials.com wrote:


 So then is the symantec certificate newer? Should I also add
 that?  What is the link to it? They have so many certificates on paypal



 Verisign certificate products have been taken over by Symantec.
 
 2015-04-03 18:54 GMT+02:00 :
 
  
Payments were getting processed but the results
   confirmation didn't work. This is on Coldfusion 8.
  
   That was exactly the problem, on CF 9 also.
  
the certificate needed is the Verisign G5 certificate
  
   In my case, the certificate I got from the Paypal site was a Symantec
   certificate.
   That is probably the problem: Paypal must have moved from Verisign to
   Symantec, which is logical since both Paypal ans Symantec are
  owned by eBay.
  
  
  
 
 

 

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Re: Sudden error with CFHTTP ans SSL

2015-04-03 Thread Al Musella, DPM


Paypal support is useless. I contacted them 3 times for another issue 
last week and they couldn't help at all

At 04:11 PM 4/3/2015, you wrote:
Best option is to contact PayPal support with that question. They should be
able to point you to the valid certs.


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Re: Handling invalid recipient in mailing list

2015-04-03 Thread Rob Voyle


Hi Folks

Robert details all the steps to keeping an email list clean and valid.
Having done that in the past and for a list of 5000 addresses I would say it is 
a 
far better deal to go with one of the email newsletter companies. Having tried 
several I can highly recommend mailchimp http://mailchimp.com/

 They offer several benefits.

1. They clean the bounced email and keep the list valid. (no programing to 
write 
and validate)

2. They have deals with ISPs to recognize their bulk email as legit. When I was 
doing that privately it was a headache to stay on top of all the ISP's spam 
protections and have my server continually validated. (And if you are on a 
shared server forget it as you will be vulnerable to all the other user's bad 
practices and reputation)

3. The time saving was well worth the $s

4. If you do decide to use a provider check their rules about establishing your 
list. (some such as icontact will require you to do a new optin on your already 
established list, and then they will block anyone who does not re-optin. 
Those 
address could then never be resubsbcribed even by their owner.)

Rob
Robert J. Voyle, Psy.D.
Director, Clergy Leadership Institute
For Coaching and Training in Appreciative Inquiry
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Re: Handling invalid recipient in mailing list

2015-04-03 Thread Maureen


+1 for Mail Chimp.  I was preparing to post about this but Robert did
a better job of explaining than I could.  I never use anything but
Mail Chimp for bulk mail sends.

On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 10:29 AM, Rob Voyle robvo...@voyle.com wrote:

 Hi Folks

 Robert details all the steps to keeping an email list clean and valid.
 Having done that in the past and for a list of 5000 addresses I would say it 
 is a
 far better deal to go with one of the email newsletter companies. Having tried
 several I can highly recommend mailchimp http://mailchimp.com/

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