Re: (Admin) Behavior
Here here ;) I don't like when people get flamed because they haven't encountered a problem before and decide its better to have a little help then to try to figure it out themselves. hehe Yea MM pay Mikey for hosting, he's helped us out more then anything MM ever provides for us developers. Bill Wheatley Senior Database Developer Macromedia Certified Advanced Coldfusion Developer EDIETS.COM 954.360.9022 X159 ICQ 417645 - Original Message - From: Michael Dinowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 1:23 PM Subject: (Admin) Behavior First I want to be a parent here. I hate doing so but sometimes its needed. If someone asks a question on the list and another person thinks it to simple, that other person has 3 choices; either answer it, point the questioner to the place where the answer is or not post at all. People should not be afraid to post their questions because they feel that someone will flame them or their question will be silly or simple. This is a list for all. If the behavior of flaming simple, common or any other question continues, I'm going to be forced to assign homework to the flamer. If your so good at this that you can bash someone else for asking the question, then you have to write up a short FAQ to answer the question. I think that if enough of these FAQs are written then maybe it'll cut down on what some feel are easy or silly questions. I can't do this alone until someone decides to pay me for hosting the lists and community work. I barely have enough time as is. (Yes, this is a hint to Macromedia) Michael Dinowitz Master of the House of Fusion http://www.houseoffusion.com __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: (Admin) Behavior
You did not ask Michael but forgive me blurting anyway, 100% right. It would be a very very sad day if we feel inhibited from asking questions because we will be derided. And those who deride simple questions need to go back to school, the school of mutual respect! As always thank you for your tireless work, the value of what you have done to further the knowledge in and use of ColdFusion is in my opinion incalculable...THANKS. Kind Regards - Mike Brunt, CTO Webapper http://www.webapper.com Downey CA Office 562.243.6255 AIM - webappermb Webapper - Making the NET work -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 10:24 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: (Admin) Behavior First I want to be a parent here. I hate doing so but sometimes its needed. If someone asks a question on the list and another person thinks it to simple, that other person has 3 choices; either answer it, point the questioner to the place where the answer is or not post at all. People should not be afraid to post their questions because they feel that someone will flame them or their question will be silly or simple. This is a list for all. If the behavior of flaming simple, common or any other question continues, I'm going to be forced to assign homework to the flamer. If your so good at this that you can bash someone else for asking the question, then you have to write up a short FAQ to answer the question. I think that if enough of these FAQs are written then maybe it'll cut down on what some feel are easy or silly questions. I can't do this alone until someone decides to pay me for hosting the lists and community work. I barely have enough time as is. (Yes, this is a hint to Macromedia) Michael Dinowitz Master of the House of Fusion http://www.houseoffusion.com __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: (Admin) Behavior
Here here ;) I don't like when people get flamed because they haven't encountered a problem before and decide its better to have a little help then to try to figure it out themselves. Well, the fault rests in a few places. Some people don't want to read the docs. Some try and miss it. Some try to search the list archives and don't use the right search string. Some just don't have the time to experiment with it on their own. I'm partially to blame for the search thing. The archives aren't done 100% and I don't have a dedicated SQL box for the full text searches. A strong, solid FAQ might help in that regard, but its a matter of getting people to write such FAQs. hehe Yea MM pay Mikey for hosting, he's helped us out more then anything MM ever provides for us developers. I was thinking more like a position of listmaster by them. Someone to co-ordinate all their mail to the outside and the like as well as my standard community work. I don't want to be paid for hosting the lists. I could easily move them to topica (HELL NO!) or the like anytime I wanted. I keep them up because this is my community and my people. I'd just like a job somewhere that will give me the time and money to do so. I'm just whining because I want to do a lot of stuff and can't. I've even got a CF RegEx book in pieces here that's just sitting around due to lack of writing time. :( __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: (Admin) Behavior
What's so ludicrous about flaming less experienced programmers, is that many times more effort is put into the flame than if they'd just have answered the question. Everyone one of us was a beginner at some point! Dave - Original Message - From: Bill Wheatley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 1:27 PM Subject: Re: (Admin) Behavior Here here ;) I don't like when people get flamed because they haven't encountered a problem before and decide its better to have a little help then to try to figure it out themselves. hehe Yea MM pay Mikey for hosting, he's helped us out more then anything MM ever provides for us developers. Bill Wheatley Senior Database Developer Macromedia Certified Advanced Coldfusion Developer EDIETS.COM 954.360.9022 X159 ICQ 417645 - Original Message - From: Michael Dinowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 1:23 PM Subject: (Admin) Behavior First I want to be a parent here. I hate doing so but sometimes its needed. If someone asks a question on the list and another person thinks it to simple, that other person has 3 choices; either answer it, point the questioner to the place where the answer is or not post at all. People should not be afraid to post their questions because they feel that someone will flame them or their question will be silly or simple. This is a list for all. If the behavior of flaming simple, common or any other question continues, I'm going to be forced to assign homework to the flamer. If your so good at this that you can bash someone else for asking the question, then you have to write up a short FAQ to answer the question. I think that if enough of these FAQs are written then maybe it'll cut down on what some feel are easy or silly questions. I can't do this alone until someone decides to pay me for hosting the lists and community work. I barely have enough time as is. (Yes, this is a hint to Macromedia) Michael Dinowitz Master of the House of Fusion http://www.houseoffusion.com __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: (Admin) Behavior
At 01:23 PM 7/25/02 -0400, Michael Dinowitz wrote: If the behavior of flaming simple, common or any other question continues, I'm going to be forced to assign homework to the flamer. If your so good at this that you can bash someone else for asking the question, then you have to write up a short FAQ to answer the question. I think that if enough of these FAQs are written then maybe it'll cut down on what some feel are easy or silly Excellent idea. I agree that the same question gets asked over and over, but it isn't the end of the world. This is one of the two best lists I've ever been on, largely because I can feel free to ask a question that some people would label stupid. questions. I can't do this alone until someone decides to pay me for hosting the lists and community work. I barely have enough time as is. (Yes, this is a hint to Macromedia) I think you should be hired on as a technology evangelist - this list is probably one of the greatest marketing machines MM has access to. T __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: (Admin) Behavior
Dave i think you're wrong on that one becuase we all know Dave Watts was hatched in a Programmer Breeding colony. From birth trained in the arts of programming and eventually CF. :) Bill Wheatley Senior Database Developer Macromedia Certified Advanced Coldfusion Developer EDIETS.COM 954.360.9022 X159 ICQ 417645 - Original Message - From: Dave Hannum [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 1:35 PM Subject: Re: (Admin) Behavior What's so ludicrous about flaming less experienced programmers, is that many times more effort is put into the flame than if they'd just have answered the question. Everyone one of us was a beginner at some point! Dave - Original Message - From: Bill Wheatley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 1:27 PM Subject: Re: (Admin) Behavior Here here ;) I don't like when people get flamed because they haven't encountered a problem before and decide its better to have a little help then to try to figure it out themselves. hehe Yea MM pay Mikey for hosting, he's helped us out more then anything MM ever provides for us developers. Bill Wheatley Senior Database Developer Macromedia Certified Advanced Coldfusion Developer EDIETS.COM 954.360.9022 X159 ICQ 417645 - Original Message - From: Michael Dinowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 1:23 PM Subject: (Admin) Behavior First I want to be a parent here. I hate doing so but sometimes its needed. If someone asks a question on the list and another person thinks it to simple, that other person has 3 choices; either answer it, point the questioner to the place where the answer is or not post at all. People should not be afraid to post their questions because they feel that someone will flame them or their question will be silly or simple. This is a list for all. If the behavior of flaming simple, common or any other question continues, I'm going to be forced to assign homework to the flamer. If your so good at this that you can bash someone else for asking the question, then you have to write up a short FAQ to answer the question. I think that if enough of these FAQs are written then maybe it'll cut down on what some feel are easy or silly questions. I can't do this alone until someone decides to pay me for hosting the lists and community work. I barely have enough time as is. (Yes, this is a hint to Macromedia) Michael Dinowitz Master of the House of Fusion http://www.houseoffusion.com __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: (Admin) Behavior
Allright, everybody look to the person on their left. Now look to the person on your right and repeat *Kumbaya* *Kumbaya* my Lord, *kumbaya* *Kumbaya* my Lord, *kumbaya* *Kumbaya* my Lord, *kumbaya* Oh Lord *kumbaya* Someone's crying my Lord, *kumbaya* Someone's crying my Lord :) Thane Sherrington wrote: At 01:23 PM 7/25/02 -0400, Michael Dinowitz wrote: If the behavior of flaming simple, common or any other question continues, I'm going to be forced to assign homework to the flamer. If your so good at this that you can bash someone else for asking the question, then you have to write up a short FAQ to answer the question. I think that if enough of these FAQs are written then maybe it'll cut down on what some feel are easy or silly Excellent idea. I agree that the same question gets asked over and over, but it isn't the end of the world. This is one of the two best lists I've ever been on, largely because I can feel free to ask a question that some people would label stupid. questions. I can't do this alone until someone decides to pay me for hosting the lists and community work. I barely have enough time as is. (Yes, this is a hint to Macromedia) I think you should be hired on as a technology evangelist - this list is probably one of the greatest marketing machines MM has access to. T __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: (Admin) Behavior
True its a great Resource but MM is too farsighted to see what they have in the HOF lists. Hay vern and christine (sp) you should get MM to pay Mikey and give him a job. Besides i'm sure a good percentage of us are MM shareholders, we can hold a vote on it lol. All in favor say yea! :) Bill Wheatley Senior Database Developer Macromedia Certified Advanced Coldfusion Developer EDIETS.COM 954.360.9022 X159 ICQ 417645 - Original Message - From: Thane Sherrington [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 1:37 PM Subject: Re: (Admin) Behavior At 01:23 PM 7/25/02 -0400, Michael Dinowitz wrote: If the behavior of flaming simple, common or any other question continues, I'm going to be forced to assign homework to the flamer. If your so good at this that you can bash someone else for asking the question, then you have to write up a short FAQ to answer the question. I think that if enough of these FAQs are written then maybe it'll cut down on what some feel are easy or silly Excellent idea. I agree that the same question gets asked over and over, but it isn't the end of the world. This is one of the two best lists I've ever been on, largely because I can feel free to ask a question that some people would label stupid. questions. I can't do this alone until someone decides to pay me for hosting the lists and community work. I barely have enough time as is. (Yes, this is a hint to Macromedia) I think you should be hired on as a technology evangelist - this list is probably one of the greatest marketing machines MM has access to. T __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
OT: Re: (Admin) Behavior
lol that opened a can of worms :) Now all the atheists are gonna be pissed cause they dont believe in lord hehe Bill Wheatley Senior Database Developer Macromedia Certified Advanced Coldfusion Developer EDIETS.COM 954.360.9022 X159 ICQ 417645 - Original Message - From: Marlon Moyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 1:49 PM Subject: Re: (Admin) Behavior Allright, everybody look to the person on their left. Now look to the person on your right and repeat *Kumbaya* *Kumbaya* my Lord, *kumbaya* *Kumbaya* my Lord, *kumbaya* *Kumbaya* my Lord, *kumbaya* Oh Lord *kumbaya* Someone's crying my Lord, *kumbaya* Someone's crying my Lord :) Thane Sherrington wrote: At 01:23 PM 7/25/02 -0400, Michael Dinowitz wrote: If the behavior of flaming simple, common or any other question continues, I'm going to be forced to assign homework to the flamer. If your so good at this that you can bash someone else for asking the question, then you have to write up a short FAQ to answer the question. I think that if enough of these FAQs are written then maybe it'll cut down on what some feel are easy or silly Excellent idea. I agree that the same question gets asked over and over, but it isn't the end of the world. This is one of the two best lists I've ever been on, largely because I can feel free to ask a question that some people would label stupid. questions. I can't do this alone until someone decides to pay me for hosting the lists and community work. I barely have enough time as is. (Yes, this is a hint to Macromedia) I think you should be hired on as a technology evangelist - this list is probably one of the greatest marketing machines MM has access to. T __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: (Admin) Behavior
Michael, Thanks a bunch for your work on this. Just the other day, I was wondering whether you get paid for this, and thought, Well, of course he's paid. It's way too much work to do unpaid. Now that I know the truth, I don't know what to say...hats off. Thank you so much for a resource which has helped me immeasurably. Also, I didn't see the particular message that broke the camel's back, but it occurred to me that it might have been my message to Kris Pilles this morning: Kris, Just for future reference: you can also take a look at the archives, a link to which should appear at the bottom of just about every message on the list. Since one can often find multiple discussion threads on a topic, I've found these archives to be a tremendous resource. Hope this is helpful, Matthieu I really hope this didn't come across as Geez, check the archive already. On the contrary, I wrote it in earnest, especially since Kris' message stated a need for the answer due to losing mail. I thought Kris might not know about the archives which (whether or not they are done) truly are a fantastic resource. I may be worrying for nothing, but just in case: If my message came across as nasty or anything, I sincerely apologize to Kris and the list for that unintended result. Matthieu -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 1:24 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: (Admin) Behavior First I want to be a parent here. I hate doing so but sometimes its needed. If someone asks a question on the list and another person thinks it to simple, that other person has 3 choices; either answer it, point the questioner to the place where the answer is or not post at all. People should not be afraid to post their questions because they feel that someone will flame them or their question will be silly or simple. This is a list for all. If the behavior of flaming simple, common or any other question continues, I'm going to be forced to assign homework to the flamer. If your so good at this that you can bash someone else for asking the question, then you have to write up a short FAQ to answer the question. I think that if enough of these FAQs are written then maybe it'll cut down on what some feel are easy or silly questions. I can't do this alone until someone decides to pay me for hosting the lists and community work. I barely have enough time as is. (Yes, this is a hint to Macromedia) Michael Dinowitz Master of the House of Fusion http://www.houseoffusion.com __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Re: (Admin) Behavior
Come on ... 'one list under god' just might be a problem ... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 10:52 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT: Re: (Admin) Behavior lol that opened a can of worms :) Now all the atheists are gonna be pissed cause they dont believe in lord hehe Bill Wheatley Senior Database Developer Macromedia Certified Advanced Coldfusion Developer EDIETS.COM 954.360.9022 X159 ICQ 417645 - Original Message - From: Marlon Moyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 1:49 PM Subject: Re: (Admin) Behavior Allright, everybody look to the person on their left. Now look to the person on your right and repeat *Kumbaya* *Kumbaya* my Lord, *kumbaya* *Kumbaya* my Lord, *kumbaya* *Kumbaya* my Lord, *kumbaya* Oh Lord *kumbaya* Someone's crying my Lord, *kumbaya* Someone's crying my Lord :) Thane Sherrington wrote: At 01:23 PM 7/25/02 -0400, Michael Dinowitz wrote: If the behavior of flaming simple, common or any other question continues, I'm going to be forced to assign homework to the flamer. If your so good at this that you can bash someone else for asking the question, then you have to write up a short FAQ to answer the question. I think that if enough of these FAQs are written then maybe it'll cut down on what some feel are easy or silly Excellent idea. I agree that the same question gets asked over and over, but it isn't the end of the world. This is one of the two best lists I've ever been on, largely because I can feel free to ask a question that some people would label stupid. questions. I can't do this alone until someone decides to pay me for hosting the lists and community work. I barely have enough time as is. (Yes, this is a hint to Macromedia) I think you should be hired on as a technology evangelist - this list is probably one of the greatest marketing machines MM has access to. T __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: (Admin) Behavior
Er.. I thought that was Matt? Hehe... maybe Dave Matt are like Twins . wonder which one is Danny Devito. :) On Thu, 25 Jul 2002, Bill Wheatley wrote: Dave i think you're wrong on that one becuase we all know Dave Watts was hatched in a Programmer Breeding colony. From birth trained in the arts of programming and eventually CF. :) Bill Wheatley Senior Database Developer Macromedia Certified Advanced Coldfusion Developer EDIETS.COM 954.360.9022 X159 ICQ 417645 - Original Message - From: Dave Hannum [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 1:35 PM Subject: Re: (Admin) Behavior What's so ludicrous about flaming less experienced programmers, is that many times more effort is put into the flame than if they'd just have answered the question. Everyone one of us was a beginner at some point! Dave -- Todd Rafferty ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - http://www.web-rat.com/ | Team Macromedia Volunteer for ColdFusion | http://www.macromedia.com/support/forums/team_macromedia/ | http://www.flashCFM.com/ - webRat (Moderator)| http://www.ultrashock.com/ - webRat (Back-end Moderator) | __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: (Admin) Behavior
It awfully presumptuous for people who to suggest who Macromedia should hire. Further, it seems ridiculous to ask for a job with Macromedia like was just done. Macromedia already has an evangelist (Ben Forta) and a community manager (Vernon Viehe). If you don't like them or what they do that is one issue, but suggestion they hire someone else is simply not the way to approach it. Michael, if you really want to make a living working for the ColdFusion community I suggest you either apply for a job with Macromedia through the normal channels or better yet; start your own ColdFusion community portal. If you make it the number one spot for ColdFusion developers to go then I am sure you will be able to find plenty of ad revenue from companies like Macromedia. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ V: 415-577-8070 F: 415-341-8906 P: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Thane Sherrington [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 10:38 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: (Admin) Behavior At 01:23 PM 7/25/02 -0400, Michael Dinowitz wrote: If the behavior of flaming simple, common or any other question continues, I'm going to be forced to assign homework to the flamer. If your so good at this that you can bash someone else for asking the question, then you have to write up a short FAQ to answer the question. I think that if enough of these FAQs are written then maybe it'll cut down on what some feel are easy or silly Excellent idea. I agree that the same question gets asked over and over, but it isn't the end of the world. This is one of the two best lists I've ever been on, largely because I can feel free to ask a question that some people would label stupid. questions. I can't do this alone until someone decides to pay me for hosting the lists and community work. I barely have enough time as is. (Yes, this is a hint to Macromedia) I think you should be hired on as a technology evangelist - this list is probably one of the greatest marketing machines MM has access to. T __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: (Admin) Behavior
All right! The first flame of the e-mail about not flaming ;-) Shawn McKee -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 12:56 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: (Admin) Behavior It awfully presumptuous for people who to suggest who Macromedia should hire. Further, it seems ridiculous to ask for a job with Macromedia like was just done. Macromedia already has an evangelist (Ben Forta) and a community manager (Vernon Viehe). If you don't like them or what they do that is one issue, but suggestion they hire someone else is simply not the way to approach it. Michael, if you really want to make a living working for the ColdFusion community I suggest you either apply for a job with Macromedia through the normal channels or better yet; start your own ColdFusion community portal. If you make it the number one spot for ColdFusion developers to go then I am sure you will be able to find plenty of ad revenue from companies like Macromedia. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ V: 415-577-8070 F: 415-341-8906 P: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Thane Sherrington [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 10:38 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: (Admin) Behavior At 01:23 PM 7/25/02 -0400, Michael Dinowitz wrote: If the behavior of flaming simple, common or any other question continues, I'm going to be forced to assign homework to the flamer. If your so good at this that you can bash someone else for asking the question, then you have to write up a short FAQ to answer the question. I think that if enough of these FAQs are written then maybe it'll cut down on what some feel are easy or silly Excellent idea. I agree that the same question gets asked over and over, but it isn't the end of the world. This is one of the two best lists I've ever been on, largely because I can feel free to ask a question that some people would label stupid. questions. I can't do this alone until someone decides to pay me for hosting the lists and community work. I barely have enough time as is. (Yes, this is a hint to Macromedia) I think you should be hired on as a technology evangelist - this list is probably one of the greatest marketing machines MM has access to. T __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: (Admin) Behavior
I didn't ask for a job, I was jokingly suggesting it and it went on from there. If I really wanted a job with MM, I would have offered to move to the west coast to take the community managers position when it was being filled. I'm quite happy here. Now for the fact. I do make a living in ColdFusion. It's what I do and have been doing for the last 7 years. I also support my community with the lists and other features. I'd love to do a lot more but can't due to the time and money issues. A consultant has to deal with this reality. If I could find a solid company who would put up with me servicing the community or even profit from it, I would. It's just not the right climate now. It awfully presumptuous for people who to suggest who Macromedia should hire. Further, it seems ridiculous to ask for a job with Macromedia like was just done. Macromedia already has an evangelist (Ben Forta) and a community manager (Vernon Viehe). If you don't like them or what they do that is one issue, but suggestion they hire someone else is simply not the way to approach it. Michael, if you really want to make a living working for the ColdFusion community I suggest you either apply for a job with Macromedia through the normal channels or better yet; start your own ColdFusion community portal. If you make it the number one spot for ColdFusion developers to go then I am sure you will be able to find plenty of ad revenue from companies like Macromedia. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ V: 415-577-8070 F: 415-341-8906 P: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Thane Sherrington [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 10:38 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: (Admin) Behavior At 01:23 PM 7/25/02 -0400, Michael Dinowitz wrote: If the behavior of flaming simple, common or any other question continues, I'm going to be forced to assign homework to the flamer. If your so good at this that you can bash someone else for asking the question, then you have to write up a short FAQ to answer the question. I think that if enough of these FAQs are written then maybe it'll cut down on what some feel are easy or silly Excellent idea. I agree that the same question gets asked over and over, but it isn't the end of the world. This is one of the two best lists I've ever been on, largely because I can feel free to ask a question that some people would label stupid. questions. I can't do this alone until someone decides to pay me for hosting the lists and community work. I barely have enough time as is. (Yes, this is a hint to Macromedia) I think you should be hired on as a technology evangelist - this list is probably one of the greatest marketing machines MM has access to. T __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: (Admin) Behavior
:) Some people just got that attitude lol Bill Wheatley Senior Database Developer Macromedia Certified Advanced Coldfusion Developer EDIETS.COM 954.360.9022 X159 ICQ 417645 - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 1:56 PM Subject: RE: (Admin) Behavior It awfully presumptuous for people who to suggest who Macromedia should hire. Further, it seems ridiculous to ask for a job with Macromedia like was just done. Macromedia already has an evangelist (Ben Forta) and a community manager (Vernon Viehe). If you don't like them or what they do that is one issue, but suggestion they hire someone else is simply not the way to approach it. Michael, if you really want to make a living working for the ColdFusion community I suggest you either apply for a job with Macromedia through the normal channels or better yet; start your own ColdFusion community portal. If you make it the number one spot for ColdFusion developers to go then I am sure you will be able to find plenty of ad revenue from companies like Macromedia. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ V: 415-577-8070 F: 415-341-8906 P: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Thane Sherrington [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 10:38 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: (Admin) Behavior At 01:23 PM 7/25/02 -0400, Michael Dinowitz wrote: If the behavior of flaming simple, common or any other question continues, I'm going to be forced to assign homework to the flamer. If your so good at this that you can bash someone else for asking the question, then you have to write up a short FAQ to answer the question. I think that if enough of these FAQs are written then maybe it'll cut down on what some feel are easy or silly Excellent idea. I agree that the same question gets asked over and over, but it isn't the end of the world. This is one of the two best lists I've ever been on, largely because I can feel free to ask a question that some people would label stupid. questions. I can't do this alone until someone decides to pay me for hosting the lists and community work. I barely have enough time as is. (Yes, this is a hint to Macromedia) I think you should be hired on as a technology evangelist - this list is probably one of the greatest marketing machines MM has access to. T __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
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: Come on ... 'one list under god' just might be a problem ... How about one list, under root...? (Root, God. What's the difference?) --Ben Doom Programmer General Lackey Moonbow Software __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: (Admin) Behavior
What is up this dude MATT? is it just me or do other ppl also get pissed by this dude's comments? Joe - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 1:56 PM Subject: RE: (Admin) Behavior It awfully presumptuous for people who to suggest who Macromedia should hire. Further, it seems ridiculous to ask for a job with Macromedia like was just done. Macromedia already has an evangelist (Ben Forta) and a community manager (Vernon Viehe). If you don't like them or what they do that is one issue, but suggestion they hire someone else is simply not the way to approach it. Michael, if you really want to make a living working for the ColdFusion community I suggest you either apply for a job with Macromedia through the normal channels or better yet; start your own ColdFusion community portal. If you make it the number one spot for ColdFusion developers to go then I am sure you will be able to find plenty of ad revenue from companies like Macromedia. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ V: 415-577-8070 F: 415-341-8906 P: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Thane Sherrington [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 10:38 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: (Admin) Behavior At 01:23 PM 7/25/02 -0400, Michael Dinowitz wrote: If the behavior of flaming simple, common or any other question continues, I'm going to be forced to assign homework to the flamer. If your so good at this that you can bash someone else for asking the question, then you have to write up a short FAQ to answer the question. I think that if enough of these FAQs are written then maybe it'll cut down on what some feel are easy or silly Excellent idea. I agree that the same question gets asked over and over, but it isn't the end of the world. This is one of the two best lists I've ever been on, largely because I can feel free to ask a question that some people would label stupid. questions. I can't do this alone until someone decides to pay me for hosting the lists and community work. I barely have enough time as is. (Yes, this is a hint to Macromedia) I think you should be hired on as a technology evangelist - this list is probably one of the greatest marketing machines MM has access to. T __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: (Admin) Behavior
yea have you ever read his BIO lol. That explains it all :) Yea his tude gets on my nerves sometimes but those types you just gotta let do their own thing and have their say and just try to not let it annoy you too much. Bill Wheatley Senior Database Developer Macromedia Certified Advanced Coldfusion Developer EDIETS.COM 954.360.9022 X159 ICQ 417645 - Original Message - From: Joe Eugene [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 2:33 PM Subject: Re: (Admin) Behavior What is up this dude MATT? is it just me or do other ppl also get pissed by this dude's comments? Joe - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 1:56 PM Subject: RE: (Admin) Behavior It awfully presumptuous for people who to suggest who Macromedia should hire. Further, it seems ridiculous to ask for a job with Macromedia like was just done. Macromedia already has an evangelist (Ben Forta) and a community manager (Vernon Viehe). If you don't like them or what they do that is one issue, but suggestion they hire someone else is simply not the way to approach it. Michael, if you really want to make a living working for the ColdFusion community I suggest you either apply for a job with Macromedia through the normal channels or better yet; start your own ColdFusion community portal. If you make it the number one spot for ColdFusion developers to go then I am sure you will be able to find plenty of ad revenue from companies like Macromedia. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ V: 415-577-8070 F: 415-341-8906 P: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Thane Sherrington [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 10:38 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: (Admin) Behavior At 01:23 PM 7/25/02 -0400, Michael Dinowitz wrote: If the behavior of flaming simple, common or any other question continues, I'm going to be forced to assign homework to the flamer. If your so good at this that you can bash someone else for asking the question, then you have to write up a short FAQ to answer the question. I think that if enough of these FAQs are written then maybe it'll cut down on what some feel are easy or silly Excellent idea. I agree that the same question gets asked over and over, but it isn't the end of the world. This is one of the two best lists I've ever been on, largely because I can feel free to ask a question that some people would label stupid. questions. I can't do this alone until someone decides to pay me for hosting the lists and community work. I barely have enough time as is. (Yes, this is a hint to Macromedia) I think you should be hired on as a technology evangelist - this list is probably one of the greatest marketing machines MM has access to. T __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: (Admin) Behavior
ass -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 12:56 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: (Admin) Behavior It awfully presumptuous for people who to suggest who Macromedia should hire. Further, it seems ridiculous to ask for a job with Macromedia like was just done. Macromedia already has an evangelist (Ben Forta) and a community manager (Vernon Viehe). If you don't like them or what they do that is one issue, but suggestion they hire someone else is simply not the way to approach it. Michael, if you really want to make a living working for the ColdFusion community I suggest you either apply for a job with Macromedia through the normal channels or better yet; start your own ColdFusion community portal. If you make it the number one spot for ColdFusion developers to go then I am sure you will be able to find plenty of ad revenue from companies like Macromedia. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ V: 415-577-8070 F: 415-341-8906 P: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Thane Sherrington [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 10:38 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: (Admin) Behavior At 01:23 PM 7/25/02 -0400, Michael Dinowitz wrote: If the behavior of flaming simple, common or any other question continues, I'm going to be forced to assign homework to the flamer. If your so good at this that you can bash someone else for asking the question, then you have to write up a short FAQ to answer the question. I think that if enough of these FAQs are written then maybe it'll cut down on what some feel are easy or silly Excellent idea. I agree that the same question gets asked over and over, but it isn't the end of the world. This is one of the two best lists I've ever been on, largely because I can feel free to ask a question that some people would label stupid. questions. I can't do this alone until someone decides to pay me for hosting the lists and community work. I barely have enough time as is. (Yes, this is a hint to Macromedia) I think you should be hired on as a technology evangelist - this list is probably one of the greatest marketing machines MM has access to. T __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: (Admin) Behavior
There are plenty of other people contributing to the ColdFusion community everyday and have been for quite some time. I don't see any of them asking jokingly or not for Macromedia to pay them. The whole point of contributing to the community is to do it for philanthropic reasons. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ V: 415-577-8070 F: 415-341-8906 P: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 11:18 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: (Admin) Behavior I didn't ask for a job, I was jokingly suggesting it and it went on from there. If I really wanted a job with MM, I would have offered to move to the west coast to take the community managers position when it was being filled. I'm quite happy here. Now for the fact. I do make a living in ColdFusion. It's what I do and have been doing for the last 7 years. I also support my community with the lists and other features. I'd love to do a lot more but can't due to the time and money issues. A consultant has to deal with this reality. If I could find a solid company who would put up with me servicing the community or even profit from it, I would. It's just not the right climate now. It awfully presumptuous for people who to suggest who Macromedia should hire. Further, it seems ridiculous to ask for a job with Macromedia like was just done. Macromedia already has an evangelist (Ben Forta) and a community manager (Vernon Viehe). If you don't like them or what they do that is one issue, but suggestion they hire someone else is simply not the way to approach it. Michael, if you really want to make a living working for the ColdFusion community I suggest you either apply for a job with Macromedia through the normal channels or better yet; start your own ColdFusion community portal. If you make it the number one spot for ColdFusion developers to go then I am sure you will be able to find plenty of ad revenue from companies like Macromedia. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ V: 415-577-8070 F: 415-341-8906 P: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Thane Sherrington [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 10:38 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: (Admin) Behavior At 01:23 PM 7/25/02 -0400, Michael Dinowitz wrote: If the behavior of flaming simple, common or any other question continues, I'm going to be forced to assign homework to the flamer. If your so good at this that you can bash someone else for asking the question, then you have to write up a short FAQ to answer the question. I think that if enough of these FAQs are written then maybe it'll cut down on what some feel are easy or silly Excellent idea. I agree that the same question gets asked over and over, but it isn't the end of the world. This is one of the two best lists I've ever been on, largely because I can feel free to ask a question that some people would label stupid. questions. I can't do this alone until someone decides to pay me for hosting the lists and community work. I barely have enough time as is. (Yes, this is a hint to Macromedia) I think you should be hired on as a technology evangelist - this list is probably one of the greatest marketing machines MM has access to. T __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: (Admin) Behavior
Somebody needs a hug! Dave It awfully presumptuous for people who to suggest who Macromedia should hire. Further, it seems ridiculous to ask for a job with Macromedia like was just done. Macromedia already has an evangelist (Ben Forta) and a community manager (Vernon Viehe). If you don't like them or what they do that is one issue, but suggestion they hire someone else is simply not the way to approach it. Michael, if you really want to make a living working for the ColdFusion community I suggest you either apply for a job with Macromedia through the normal channels or better yet; start your own ColdFusion community portal. If you make it the number one spot for ColdFusion developers to go then I am sure you will be able to find plenty of ad revenue from companies like Macromedia. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ V: 415-577-8070 F: 415-341-8906 P: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Thane Sherrington [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 10:38 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: (Admin) Behavior At 01:23 PM 7/25/02 -0400, Michael Dinowitz wrote: If the behavior of flaming simple, common or any other question continues, I'm going to be forced to assign homework to the flamer. If your so good at this that you can bash someone else for asking the question, then you have to write up a short FAQ to answer the question. I think that if enough of these FAQs are written then maybe it'll cut down on what some feel are easy or silly Excellent idea. I agree that the same question gets asked over and over, but it isn't the end of the world. This is one of the two best lists I've ever been on, largely because I can feel free to ask a question that some people would label stupid. questions. I can't do this alone until someone decides to pay me for hosting the lists and community work. I barely have enough time as is. (Yes, this is a hint to Macromedia) I think you should be hired on as a technology evangelist - this list is probably one of the greatest marketing machines MM has access to. T __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: (Admin) Behavior
I've got an idea - I'd be happy to write a small app that would let us vote on people who flame. If a particular person gets enough votes, then Michael D. is notified that the list is tired of this person. Then he can deal with the person any way that he wants - remove him, reprimand, torture, etc. Matthew Small IT Supervisor Showstopper National Dance Competitions 3660 Old Kings Hwy Murrells Inlet, SC 29576 843-357-1847 __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: (Admin) Behavior
I posted this as an admin message to showcase a problem and a solution to it. I understand if some took offense at what I said and I'm OK with that. Please lets stop the flames and the like. Thanks __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: (Admin) Behavior
At 11:39 AM 7/25/02 -0700, Matt Liotta wrote: There are plenty of other people contributing to the ColdFusion community everyday and have been for quite some time. I don't see any of them asking jokingly or not for Macromedia to pay them. The whole point of contributing to the community is to do it for philanthropic reasons. There is a big difference between answering a question on this list and running a mailing list out of one's own pocket. T __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: (Admin) Behavior
Please STOP THIS THREAD. I thought today sucked here in Virginia because of the gray gloomy weather but obviously it is more- maybe the way the planets are aligned today is giving everybody an attitude. I don't need my mailbox going wild over something so inane. So please take a deep breath, meditate a few minutes and delete all references to this thread- no matter how witty you think a response may be. Enough already. -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 2:40 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: (Admin) Behavior There are plenty of other people contributing to the ColdFusion community everyday and have been for quite some time. I don't see any of them asking jokingly or not for Macromedia to pay them. The whole point of contributing to the community is to do it for philanthropic reasons. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ V: 415-577-8070 F: 415-341-8906 P: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 11:18 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: (Admin) Behavior I didn't ask for a job, I was jokingly suggesting it and it went on from there. If I really wanted a job with MM, I would have offered to move to the west coast to take the community managers position when it was being filled. I'm quite happy here. Now for the fact. I do make a living in ColdFusion. It's what I do and have been doing for the last 7 years. I also support my community with the lists and other features. I'd love to do a lot more but can't due to the time and money issues. A consultant has to deal with this reality. If I could find a solid company who would put up with me servicing the community or even profit from it, I would. It's just not the right climate now. It awfully presumptuous for people who to suggest who Macromedia should hire. Further, it seems ridiculous to ask for a job with Macromedia like was just done. Macromedia already has an evangelist (Ben Forta) and a community manager (Vernon Viehe). If you don't like them or what they do that is one issue, but suggestion they hire someone else is simply not the way to approach it. Michael, if you really want to make a living working for the ColdFusion community I suggest you either apply for a job with Macromedia through the normal channels or better yet; start your own ColdFusion community portal. If you make it the number one spot for ColdFusion developers to go then I am sure you will be able to find plenty of ad revenue from companies like Macromedia. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ V: 415-577-8070 F: 415-341-8906 P: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Thane Sherrington [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 10:38 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: (Admin) Behavior At 01:23 PM 7/25/02 -0400, Michael Dinowitz wrote: If the behavior of flaming simple, common or any other question continues, I'm going to be forced to assign homework to the flamer. If your so good at this that you can bash someone else for asking the question, then you have to write up a short FAQ to answer the question. I think that if enough of these FAQs are written then maybe it'll cut down on what some feel are easy or silly Excellent idea. I agree that the same question gets asked over and over, but it isn't the end of the world. This is one of the two best lists I've ever been on, largely because I can feel free to ask a question that some people would label stupid. questions. I can't do this alone until someone decides to pay me for hosting the lists and community work. I barely have enough time as is. (Yes, this is a hint to Macromedia) I think you should be hired on as a technology evangelist - this list is probably one of the greatest marketing machines MM has access to. T __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: (Admin) Behavior
:) yea that can be our community project to keep the jackholes out lol Bill Wheatley Senior Database Developer Macromedia Certified Advanced Coldfusion Developer EDIETS.COM 954.360.9022 X159 ICQ 417645 - Original Message - From: Matthew R. Small [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 2:46 PM Subject: RE: (Admin) Behavior I've got an idea - I'd be happy to write a small app that would let us vote on people who flame. If a particular person gets enough votes, then Michael D. is notified that the list is tired of this person. Then he can deal with the person any way that he wants - remove him, reprimand, torture, etc. Matthew Small IT Supervisor Showstopper National Dance Competitions 3660 Old Kings Hwy Murrells Inlet, SC 29576 843-357-1847 __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
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Very true and there are plenty who have fallen by the wayside due to financial considerations. But the point is moot. I see no problem at all asking MM to pay me jokingly (or not). Does it make me look cheap? Does it demean me as a person? Does it call into question the reasons why I'm supporting the community? No, no and no. An off the cuff remark or joke that hurts none should not be penalized. If you want to think its presumptuous, then fine and good. I can't stop you, but I can't agree with you either. But again, the point is moot. This started out as an admin message, not an invitation to a fight or any other OT discussion. I you want to continue discussing this I'd be happy to do so off list, but this is not the place. There are plenty of other people contributing to the ColdFusion community everyday and have been for quite some time. I don't see any of them asking jokingly or not for Macromedia to pay them. The whole point of contributing to the community is to do it for philanthropic reasons. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ V: 415-577-8070 F: 415-341-8906 P: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 11:18 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: (Admin) Behavior I didn't ask for a job, I was jokingly suggesting it and it went on from there. If I really wanted a job with MM, I would have offered to move to the west coast to take the community managers position when it was being filled. I'm quite happy here. Now for the fact. I do make a living in ColdFusion. It's what I do and have been doing for the last 7 years. I also support my community with the lists and other features. I'd love to do a lot more but can't due to the time and money issues. A consultant has to deal with this reality. If I could find a solid company who would put up with me servicing the community or even profit from it, I would. It's just not the right climate now. It awfully presumptuous for people who to suggest who Macromedia should hire. Further, it seems ridiculous to ask for a job with Macromedia like was just done. Macromedia already has an evangelist (Ben Forta) and a community manager (Vernon Viehe). If you don't like them or what they do that is one issue, but suggestion they hire someone else is simply not the way to approach it. Michael, if you really want to make a living working for the ColdFusion community I suggest you either apply for a job with Macromedia through the normal channels or better yet; start your own ColdFusion community portal. If you make it the number one spot for ColdFusion developers to go then I am sure you will be able to find plenty of ad revenue from companies like Macromedia. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ V: 415-577-8070 F: 415-341-8906 P: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Thane Sherrington [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 10:38 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: (Admin) Behavior At 01:23 PM 7/25/02 -0400, Michael Dinowitz wrote: If the behavior of flaming simple, common or any other question continues, I'm going to be forced to assign homework to the flamer. If your so good at this that you can bash someone else for asking the question, then you have to write up a short FAQ to answer the question. I think that if enough of these FAQs are written then maybe it'll cut down on what some feel are easy or silly Excellent idea. I agree that the same question gets asked over and over, but it isn't the end of the world. This is one of the two best lists I've ever been on, largely because I can feel free to ask a question that some people would label stupid. questions. I can't do this alone until someone decides to pay me for hosting the lists and community work. I barely have enough time as is. (Yes, this is a hint to Macromedia) I think you should be hired on as a technology evangelist - this list is probably one of the greatest marketing machines MM has access to. T __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
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Big Inhale . . . Hold . . . Big Exhale . . . Repeat . . . Cough . . . Cough . . . Cough . . . Doh, that never does work for me. - Original Message - From: Janine Jakim [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 2:39 PM Subject: RE: (Admin) Behavior Please STOP THIS THREAD. I thought today sucked here in Virginia because of the gray gloomy weather but obviously it is more- maybe the way the planets are aligned today is giving everybody an attitude. I don't need my mailbox going wild over something so inane. So please take a deep breath, meditate a few minutes and delete all references to this thread- no matter how witty you think a response may be. Enough already. -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 2:40 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: (Admin) Behavior There are plenty of other people contributing to the ColdFusion community everyday and have been for quite some time. I don't see any of them asking jokingly or not for Macromedia to pay them. The whole point of contributing to the community is to do it for philanthropic reasons. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ V: 415-577-8070 F: 415-341-8906 P: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 11:18 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: (Admin) Behavior I didn't ask for a job, I was jokingly suggesting it and it went on from there. If I really wanted a job with MM, I would have offered to move to the west coast to take the community managers position when it was being filled. I'm quite happy here. Now for the fact. I do make a living in ColdFusion. It's what I do and have been doing for the last 7 years. I also support my community with the lists and other features. I'd love to do a lot more but can't due to the time and money issues. A consultant has to deal with this reality. If I could find a solid company who would put up with me servicing the community or even profit from it, I would. It's just not the right climate now. It awfully presumptuous for people who to suggest who Macromedia should hire. Further, it seems ridiculous to ask for a job with Macromedia like was just done. Macromedia already has an evangelist (Ben Forta) and a community manager (Vernon Viehe). If you don't like them or what they do that is one issue, but suggestion they hire someone else is simply not the way to approach it. Michael, if you really want to make a living working for the ColdFusion community I suggest you either apply for a job with Macromedia through the normal channels or better yet; start your own ColdFusion community portal. If you make it the number one spot for ColdFusion developers to go then I am sure you will be able to find plenty of ad revenue from companies like Macromedia. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ V: 415-577-8070 F: 415-341-8906 P: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Thane Sherrington [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 10:38 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: (Admin) Behavior At 01:23 PM 7/25/02 -0400, Michael Dinowitz wrote: If the behavior of flaming simple, common or any other question continues, I'm going to be forced to assign homework to the flamer. If your so good at this that you can bash someone else for asking the question, then you have to write up a short FAQ to answer the question. I think that if enough of these FAQs are written then maybe it'll cut down on what some feel are easy or silly Excellent idea. I agree that the same question gets asked over and over, but it isn't the end of the world. This is one of the two best lists I've ever been on, largely because I can feel free to ask a question that some people would label stupid. questions. I can't do this alone until someone decides to pay me for hosting the lists and community work. I barely have enough time as is. (Yes, this is a hint to Macromedia) I think you should be hired on as a technology evangelist - this list is probably one of the greatest marketing machines MM has access to. T __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
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After deep meditation I realized this would make a great cartoon. Thanks for brightening up my day. Casey Cook Janine Jakim jjakim To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] @albemarle.orcc: g Subject: RE: (Admin) Behavior 07/25/02 01:39 PM Please respond to cf-talk Please STOP THIS THREAD. I thought today sucked here in Virginia because of the gray gloomy weather but obviously it is more- maybe the way the planets are aligned today is giving everybody an attitude. I don't need my mailbox going wild over something so inane. So please take a deep breath, meditate a few minutes and delete all references to this thread- no matter how witty you think a response may be. Enough already. -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 2:40 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: (Admin) Behavior There are plenty of other people contributing to the ColdFusion community everyday and have been for quite some time. I don't see any of them asking jokingly or not for Macromedia to pay them. The whole point of contributing to the community is to do it for philanthropic reasons. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ V: 415-577-8070 F: 415-341-8906 P: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 11:18 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: (Admin) Behavior I didn't ask for a job, I was jokingly suggesting it and it went on from there. If I really wanted a job with MM, I would have offered to move to the west coast to take the community managers position when it was being filled. I'm quite happy here. Now for the fact. I do make a living in ColdFusion. It's what I do and have been doing for the last 7 years. I also support my community with the lists and other features. I'd love to do a lot more but can't due to the time and money issues. A consultant has to deal with this reality. If I could find a solid company who would put up with me servicing the community or even profit from it, I would. It's just not the right climate now. It awfully presumptuous for people who to suggest who Macromedia should hire. Further, it seems ridiculous to ask for a job with Macromedia like was just done. Macromedia already has an evangelist (Ben Forta) and a community manager (Vernon Viehe). If you don't like them or what they do that is one issue, but suggestion they hire someone else is simply not the way to approach it. Michael, if you really want to make a living working for the ColdFusion community I suggest you either apply for a job with Macromedia through the normal channels or better yet; start your own ColdFusion community portal. If you make it the number one spot for ColdFusion developers to go then I am sure you will be able to find plenty of ad revenue from companies like Macromedia. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ V: 415-577-8070 F: 415-341-8906 P: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Thane Sherrington [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 10:38 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: (Admin) Behavior At 01:23 PM 7/25/02 -0400, Michael Dinowitz wrote: If the behavior of flaming simple, common or any other question continues, I'm going to be forced to assign homework to the flamer. If your so good at this that you can bash someone else for asking the question, then you have to write up a short FAQ to answer the question. I think that if enough of these FAQs
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Hate to say it Matt, but I think you picked a losing battle here. From my humble perspective, the CF-Talk List is THE source for information regarding CF issues, outside of the manuals, and a few books out there. As for being the number one community, well, You're here, so is Dave, and Michael, and Ben,and a ton of others ranging from novice to God in terms of coding skill. Does that not describe a community? And if Micael is doing this on his own time, isn't that philanthopic enough? Is it wrong for him to hint that help paying the bills for supporting the community is appreciated? I think not. Matt, you ARE a good programmer, and you DO know your stuff. I've seen that simply by watching the list over the past year and a half. But, your comments are sometimes a little rougher than I think they were intended (I hope). Please keep in mind that written text does not convey the facial features, or tone of voice that sometimes need to be seen to understand the meaning. My thoughts Shawn Grover -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 12:40 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: (Admin) Behavior There are plenty of other people contributing to the ColdFusion community everyday and have been for quite some time. I don't see any of them asking jokingly or not for Macromedia to pay them. The whole point of contributing to the community is to do it for philanthropic reasons. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ V: 415-577-8070 F: 415-341-8906 P: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 11:18 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: (Admin) Behavior I didn't ask for a job, I was jokingly suggesting it and it went on from there. If I really wanted a job with MM, I would have offered to move to the west coast to take the community managers position when it was being filled. I'm quite happy here. Now for the fact. I do make a living in ColdFusion. It's what I do and have been doing for the last 7 years. I also support my community with the lists and other features. I'd love to do a lot more but can't due to the time and money issues. A consultant has to deal with this reality. If I could find a solid company who would put up with me servicing the community or even profit from it, I would. It's just not the right climate now. It awfully presumptuous for people who to suggest who Macromedia should hire. Further, it seems ridiculous to ask for a job with Macromedia like was just done. Macromedia already has an evangelist (Ben Forta) and a community manager (Vernon Viehe). If you don't like them or what they do that is one issue, but suggestion they hire someone else is simply not the way to approach it. Michael, if you really want to make a living working for the ColdFusion community I suggest you either apply for a job with Macromedia through the normal channels or better yet; start your own ColdFusion community portal. If you make it the number one spot for ColdFusion developers to go then I am sure you will be able to find plenty of ad revenue from companies like Macromedia. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ V: 415-577-8070 F: 415-341-8906 P: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Thane Sherrington [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 10:38 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: (Admin) Behavior At 01:23 PM 7/25/02 -0400, Michael Dinowitz wrote: If the behavior of flaming simple, common or any other question continues, I'm going to be forced to assign homework to the flamer. If your so good at this that you can bash someone else for asking the question, then you have to write up a short FAQ to answer the question. I think that if enough of these FAQs are written then maybe it'll cut down on what some feel are easy or silly Excellent idea. I agree that the same question gets asked over and over, but it isn't the end of the world. This is one of the two best lists I've ever been on, largely because I can feel free to ask a question that some people would label stupid. questions. I can't do this alone until someone decides to pay me for hosting the lists and community work. I barely have enough time as is. (Yes, this is a hint to Macromedia) I think you should be hired on as a technology evangelist - this list is probably one of the greatest marketing machines MM has access to. T __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk
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Absolutely agreed Shawn...Anyone who has time to help make this community better, should do so. I myself am designing a web interface for employers and people hunting for work to be able to post via the web to look at resumes, code samples and job opportunities. Now if Michael does not want to use it when it is done, at least the offer will be made. Michael is always trying to give us The Community what we want as far as list features go, and our support of him is just as important. Douglas Brown Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Shawn Grover [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 12:19 PM Subject: RE: (Admin) Behavior Hate to say it Matt, but I think you picked a losing battle here. From my humble perspective, the CF-Talk List is THE source for information regarding CF issues, outside of the manuals, and a few books out there. As for being the number one community, well, You're here, so is Dave, and Michael, and Ben,and a ton of others ranging from novice to God in terms of coding skill. Does that not describe a community? And if Micael is doing this on his own time, isn't that philanthopic enough? Is it wrong for him to hint that help paying the bills for supporting the community is appreciated? I think not. Matt, you ARE a good programmer, and you DO know your stuff. I've seen that simply by watching the list over the past year and a half. But, your comments are sometimes a little rougher than I think they were intended (I hope). Please keep in mind that written text does not convey the facial features, or tone of voice that sometimes need to be seen to understand the meaning. My thoughts Shawn Grover -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 12:40 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: (Admin) Behavior There are plenty of other people contributing to the ColdFusion community everyday and have been for quite some time. I don't see any of them asking jokingly or not for Macromedia to pay them. The whole point of contributing to the community is to do it for philanthropic reasons. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ V: 415-577-8070 F: 415-341-8906 P: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 11:18 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: (Admin) Behavior I didn't ask for a job, I was jokingly suggesting it and it went on from there. If I really wanted a job with MM, I would have offered to move to the west coast to take the community managers position when it was being filled. I'm quite happy here. Now for the fact. I do make a living in ColdFusion. It's what I do and have been doing for the last 7 years. I also support my community with the lists and other features. I'd love to do a lot more but can't due to the time and money issues. A consultant has to deal with this reality. If I could find a solid company who would put up with me servicing the community or even profit from it, I would. It's just not the right climate now. It awfully presumptuous for people who to suggest who Macromedia should hire. Further, it seems ridiculous to ask for a job with Macromedia like was just done. Macromedia already has an evangelist (Ben Forta) and a community manager (Vernon Viehe). If you don't like them or what they do that is one issue, but suggestion they hire someone else is simply not the way to approach it. Michael, if you really want to make a living working for the ColdFusion community I suggest you either apply for a job with Macromedia through the normal channels or better yet; start your own ColdFusion community portal. If you make it the number one spot for ColdFusion developers to go then I am sure you will be able to find plenty of ad revenue from companies like Macromedia. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ V: 415-577-8070 F: 415-341-8906 P: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Thane Sherrington [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 10:38 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: (Admin) Behavior At 01:23 PM 7/25/02 -0400, Michael Dinowitz wrote: If the behavior of flaming simple, common or any other question continues, I'm going to be forced to assign homework to the flamer. If your so good at this that you can bash someone else for asking the question, then you have to write up a short FAQ to answer the question. I think that if enough of these FAQs are written then maybe it'll cut down on what some feel are easy or silly Excellent idea. I agree that the same question gets asked over and over, but it isn't the end of the world. This is one
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As I understood it, this list is a forum for CF and CF related topics. I do not understand why this thread has devolved into a (somewhat opinionated) conversation about employment with Macromedia involving two professionals I respect highly, or why people are taking sides with either of them. Regardless, as a member of this list and with utmost respect to everyone involved, I ask that we all please return to a germane subject for the sake of those with email content prohibitions. CFTalk would most likely be a better forum this thread. M -Original Message- From: Douglas Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 3:30 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: (Admin) Behavior Absolutely agreed Shawn...Anyone who has time to help make this community better, should do so. I myself am designing a web interface for employers and people hunting for work to be able to post via the web to look at resumes, code samples and job opportunities. Now if Michael does not want to use it when it is done, at least the offer will be made. Michael is always trying to give us The Community what we want as far as list features go, and our support of him is just as important. Douglas Brown Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Shawn Grover [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 12:19 PM Subject: RE: (Admin) Behavior Hate to say it Matt, but I think you picked a losing battle here. From my humble perspective, the CF-Talk List is THE source for information regarding CF issues, outside of the manuals, and a few books out there. As for being the number one community, well, You're here, so is Dave, and Michael, and Ben,and a ton of others ranging from novice to God in terms of coding skill. Does that not describe a community? And if Micael is doing this on his own time, isn't that philanthopic enough? Is it wrong for him to hint that help paying the bills for supporting the community is appreciated? I think not. Matt, you ARE a good programmer, and you DO know your stuff. I've seen that simply by watching the list over the past year and a half. But, your comments are sometimes a little rougher than I think they were intended (I hope). Please keep in mind that written text does not convey the facial features, or tone of voice that sometimes need to be seen to understand the meaning. My thoughts Shawn Grover -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 12:40 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: (Admin) Behavior There are plenty of other people contributing to the ColdFusion community everyday and have been for quite some time. I don't see any of them asking jokingly or not for Macromedia to pay them. The whole point of contributing to the community is to do it for philanthropic reasons. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ V: 415-577-8070 F: 415-341-8906 P: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 11:18 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: (Admin) Behavior I didn't ask for a job, I was jokingly suggesting it and it went on from there. If I really wanted a job with MM, I would have offered to move to the west coast to take the community managers position when it was being filled. I'm quite happy here. Now for the fact. I do make a living in ColdFusion. It's what I do and have been doing for the last 7 years. I also support my community with the lists and other features. I'd love to do a lot more but can't due to the time and money issues. A consultant has to deal with this reality. If I could find a solid company who would put up with me servicing the community or even profit from it, I would. It's just not the right climate now. It awfully presumptuous for people who to suggest who Macromedia should hire. Further, it seems ridiculous to ask for a job with Macromedia like was just done. Macromedia already has an evangelist (Ben Forta) and a community manager (Vernon Viehe). If you don't like them or what they do that is one issue, but suggestion they hire someone else is simply not the way to approach it. Michael, if you really want to make a living working for the ColdFusion community I suggest you either apply for a job with Macromedia through the normal channels or better yet; start your own ColdFusion community portal. If you make it the number one spot for ColdFusion developers to go then I am sure you will be able to find plenty of ad revenue from companies like Macromedia. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ V: 415-577-8070 F: 415-341-8906 P: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Thane Sherrington [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday
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All hail mikey, mikey d is the messiah! Bill Wheatley Senior Database Developer Macromedia Certified Advanced Coldfusion Developer EDIETS.COM 954.360.9022 X159 ICQ 417645 - Original Message - From: Douglas Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 3:30 PM Subject: Re: (Admin) Behavior Absolutely agreed Shawn...Anyone who has time to help make this community better, should do so. I myself am designing a web interface for employers and people hunting for work to be able to post via the web to look at resumes, code samples and job opportunities. Now if Michael does not want to use it when it is done, at least the offer will be made. Michael is always trying to give us The Community what we want as far as list features go, and our support of him is just as important. Douglas Brown Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Shawn Grover [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 12:19 PM Subject: RE: (Admin) Behavior Hate to say it Matt, but I think you picked a losing battle here. From my humble perspective, the CF-Talk List is THE source for information regarding CF issues, outside of the manuals, and a few books out there. As for being the number one community, well, You're here, so is Dave, and Michael, and Ben,and a ton of others ranging from novice to God in terms of coding skill. Does that not describe a community? And if Micael is doing this on his own time, isn't that philanthopic enough? Is it wrong for him to hint that help paying the bills for supporting the community is appreciated? I think not. Matt, you ARE a good programmer, and you DO know your stuff. I've seen that simply by watching the list over the past year and a half. But, your comments are sometimes a little rougher than I think they were intended (I hope). Please keep in mind that written text does not convey the facial features, or tone of voice that sometimes need to be seen to understand the meaning. My thoughts Shawn Grover -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 12:40 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: (Admin) Behavior There are plenty of other people contributing to the ColdFusion community everyday and have been for quite some time. I don't see any of them asking jokingly or not for Macromedia to pay them. The whole point of contributing to the community is to do it for philanthropic reasons. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ V: 415-577-8070 F: 415-341-8906 P: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 11:18 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: (Admin) Behavior I didn't ask for a job, I was jokingly suggesting it and it went on from there. If I really wanted a job with MM, I would have offered to move to the west coast to take the community managers position when it was being filled. I'm quite happy here. Now for the fact. I do make a living in ColdFusion. It's what I do and have been doing for the last 7 years. I also support my community with the lists and other features. I'd love to do a lot more but can't due to the time and money issues. A consultant has to deal with this reality. If I could find a solid company who would put up with me servicing the community or even profit from it, I would. It's just not the right climate now. It awfully presumptuous for people who to suggest who Macromedia should hire. Further, it seems ridiculous to ask for a job with Macromedia like was just done. Macromedia already has an evangelist (Ben Forta) and a community manager (Vernon Viehe). If you don't like them or what they do that is one issue, but suggestion they hire someone else is simply not the way to approach it. Michael, if you really want to make a living working for the ColdFusion community I suggest you either apply for a job with Macromedia through the normal channels or better yet; start your own ColdFusion community portal. If you make it the number one spot for ColdFusion developers to go then I am sure you will be able to find plenty of ad revenue from companies like Macromedia. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ V: 415-577-8070 F: 415-341-8906 P: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Thane Sherrington [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 10:38 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: (Admin) Behavior At 01:23 PM 7/25/02 -0400, Michael Dinowitz wrote: If the behavior of flaming simple, common or any other question continues, I'm going to be forced
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From my humble perspective, the CF-Talk List is THE source for information regarding CF issues, outside of the manuals, and a few books out there. As for being the number one community, well, You're here, so is Dave, and Michael, and Ben,and a ton of others ranging from novice to God in terms of coding skill. Does that not describe a community? And if Micael is doing this on his own time, isn't that philanthopic enough? Is it wrong for him to hint that help paying the bills for supporting the community is appreciated? I think not. Whether CF-Talk is THE list or not is certainly debatable. I find myself on three different CF mailing lists, CF-Talk, CFGURU, and BACFUG. While BACFUG is for our local user group, quite a number of people out side of the bay area participate on it. It is quite a good list. I'm sure others have their own favorite lists too as there are quite a number of top CF people that aren't on CF-Talk. I agree that asking for help paying for community resources is quite fine. What I took issue with is how he did it. If he wants help paying for the infrastructure (servers, bandwidth, etc) required to run these lists I'm sure plenty of people would step up and offer their help; I know I would. However, he didn't ask for help from the community; he asked for Macromedia to pay for it. That in my opinion makes all the difference. -Matt __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
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If the behavior of flaming simple, common or any other question continues, I'm going to be forced to assign homework to the flamer. Better than homework, how about a flame jar??? If the community decides that the person has sent a flame, then that person should (on good faith) donate $1 through PayPal to help fund the CF-Talk list. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 12:24 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: (Admin) Behavior snip __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
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ahh screw paypal its been damn near 4 months since they froze my account I sent them everything they wanted and STILL NO ACCOUNT f'em ;) Bill Wheatley Senior Database Developer Macromedia Certified Advanced Coldfusion Developer EDIETS.COM 954.360.9022 X159 ICQ 417645 - Original Message - From: Ryan Kime [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 3:56 PM Subject: RE: (Admin) Behavior If the behavior of flaming simple, common or any other question continues, I'm going to be forced to assign homework to the flamer. Better than homework, how about a flame jar??? If the community decides that the person has sent a flame, then that person should (on good faith) donate $1 through PayPal to help fund the CF-Talk list. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 12:24 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: (Admin) Behavior snip __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
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Matt, You said, It awfully presumptuous for people who to suggest who Macromedia should hire. Further, it seems ridiculous to ask for a job with Macromedia like was just done. Macromedia already has an evangelist (Ben Forta) and a community manager (Vernon Viehe). If you don't like them or what they do that is one issue, but suggestion they hire someone else is simply not the way to approach it. To be honest, Matt, I think that Michael was joking when he said this. He was expressing his wishes that he could do this for a living, as it is a full time job (and one that he's chosen) but he's not really expecting that Macromedia hire him or fire Ben or Vernon (both of whom do excellent jobs.) Michael, if you really want to make a living working for the ColdFusion community I suggest you either apply for a job with Macromedia through the normal channels Which he's already done when he applied for the community manager position. They were interested only if we moved to San Francisco -- which we're not willing to do. So it didn't work out. or better yet; start your own ColdFusion community portal. If you make it the number one spot for ColdFusion developers to go then I am sure you will be able to find plenty of ad revenue from companies like Macromedia. Um, what do you think House of Fusion and Fusion Authority are? Judith __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
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Punishment fitting the crime. And a FAQ helps everyone. If the behavior of flaming simple, common or any other question continues, I'm going to be forced to assign homework to the flamer. Better than homework, how about a flame jar??? If the community decides that the person has sent a flame, then that person should (on good faith) donate $1 through PayPal to help fund the CF-Talk list. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 12:24 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: (Admin) Behavior snip __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
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Punishment fitting the crime. And a FAQ helps everyone. Michael, I talked to you about something like the FAQ system (combined with a category system) for the archives a little while ago, but I think everything got lost in all the e-mails. In any case, I'd be happy to write up some FAQs if you can supply me some suggested topics. Although, if I have to flame you first to write a FAQ... g Ben Johnson __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
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Why not take something that you love in CF, think about anything special about it, problems, etc. and write up an explanation of it. That would be very useful and not lock you into a specific topic. For example, I love RegEx, CFSCRIPT and functions to name just a few things. My writings on these topics would reflect my love. Your writings should center on those topics that you love. And no, you don't have to flame me to write a FAQ. If you feel the desire to do so, please do it off like. :) Punishment fitting the crime. And a FAQ helps everyone. Michael, I talked to you about something like the FAQ system (combined with a category system) for the archives a little while ago, but I think everything got lost in all the e-mails. In any case, I'd be happy to write up some FAQs if you can supply me some suggested topics. Although, if I have to flame you first to write a FAQ... g Ben Johnson __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
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Which he's already done when he applied for the community manager position. They were interested only if we moved to San Francisco -- which we're not willing to do. So it didn't work out. I thought it was pretty clear in the job description that the position was in San Francisco. However, your statement implies that he would have had the position if only he had been willing to move. Maybe that is true, maybe that is wishful thinking; I don't know. I do know that many other people applied for that position and Vern is who they picked. Your statement could very well offend those people as well as Vern. Um, what do you think House of Fusion and Fusion Authority are? I guess our definitions differ. I don't really see those as developer portals. I personally think developer portals look more like what you would find at DevX, CNet, Microsoft, and Macromedia. These portals offer developers articles, tips, code, discussion groups, etc. While I do think the above commercial portals I mentioned are great that wasn't really what I was thinking. I was actually thinking of something more community oriented like Evolt.org. Although, Evolt is certainly lacking in the area of code sharing. -Matt __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
What is a portal? Re: (Admin) Behavior
I guess our definitions differ. I don't really see those as developer portals. I personally think developer portals look more like what you would find at DevX, CNet, Microsoft, and Macromedia. These portals offer developers articles, tips, code, discussion groups, etc. So the articles on the sites don't fit the criteria? The tips and code aren't enough? This list and the others aren't discussion groups? I'm really not sure how HoF and FA fail to meet your criteria of a portal. __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
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-Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 4:32 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: (Admin) Behavior Which he's already done when he applied for the community manager position. They were interested only if we moved to San Francisco -- which we're not willing to do. So it didn't work out. I thought it was pretty clear in the job description that the position was in San Francisco. However, your statement implies that he would have had the position if only he had been willing to move. Maybe that is true, maybe that is wishful thinking; I don't know. I do know that many other people applied for that position and Vern is who they picked. Your statement could very well offend those people as well as Vern. How ironic Matt, that you are worried that someone might be offended by another's statement. I love to nitpick stuff too -- I love to tear things apart, so let's analyze it further, shall we? Which he's already done when he applied for the community manager position. How dare he do that? It might offend someone else who wanted it! They were interested only if we moved to San Francisco -- which we're not willing to do. So it didn't work out. Could there be a remote possibility that Judith meant Macromedia would be interested in CONSIDERING Michael for the job if they said they were willing to move? Usually, if a company says a position must be filled at a specific location, it disqualifies people who are not willing to move to said location. So their unwillingness to move would mean that even though he would be considered for the position, it didn't matter because they wanted someone there, not in NY. -Andy __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: What is a portal? Re: (Admin) Behavior
Take a look at the portals I referenced in my first email. I have included their URLs for convenience. http://www.devx.com/ http://builder.com.com/ http://msdn.microsoft.com/ http://www.macromedia.com/desdev/ http://www.evolt.org/ As you can see form the above URLs, there are a significant amount of developer resources available. In fact there are even more portals than just the ones I referenced, but I just picked the ones I am most familiar with. I really don't see how you compare FA and HoF to the above. Really take a look at Evolt.org though. I think they offer the closest thing to what a ColdFusion portal should look like. They allow anyone to submit content that is approved, rated, and commented on by the community. They have a vast tip database that is fed from their mailing lists. The code behind Evolt is maintained by the community. The two main things missing from Evolt is quality control over the articles and a code sharing library. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ V: 415-577-8070 F: 415-341-8906 P: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 1:55 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: What is a portal? Re: (Admin) Behavior I guess our definitions differ. I don't really see those as developer portals. I personally think developer portals look more like what you would find at DevX, CNet, Microsoft, and Macromedia. These portals offer developers articles, tips, code, discussion groups, etc. So the articles on the sites don't fit the criteria? The tips and code aren't enough? This list and the others aren't discussion groups? I'm really not sure how HoF and FA fail to meet your criteria of a portal. __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: What is a portal? Re: (Admin) Behavior
Hm, so having a list of articles by people on FA doesn't apply here? Maybe its that people have to submit the articles to an editor first. Fancy that. I don't see anything in these sites that we're not doing here. The two things that I see here that make them a portal and us not is that they're larger and run by a company rather than 'people'. The fact that we have a CF Guru (if I may say so myself) as well as a professional editor on staff should be points in our favor. Either way, we're a portal to the CF world. We've always been one and always will be one. If some don't think of us as a portal, then it's all good for them. I'm not legislating how people think. As you can see form the above URLs, there are a significant amount of developer resources available. In fact there are even more portals than just the ones I referenced, but I just picked the ones I am most familiar with. I really don't see how you compare FA and HoF to the above. Really take a look at Evolt.org though. I think they offer the closest thing to what a ColdFusion portal should look like. They allow anyone to submit content that is approved, rated, and commented on by the community. They have a vast tip database that is fed from their mailing lists. The code behind Evolt is maintained by the community. The two main things missing from Evolt is quality control over the articles and a code sharing library. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ V: 415-577-8070 F: 415-341-8906 P: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 1:55 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: What is a portal? Re: (Admin) Behavior I guess our definitions differ. I don't really see those as developer portals. I personally think developer portals look more like what you would find at DevX, CNet, Microsoft, and Macromedia. These portals offer developers articles, tips, code, discussion groups, etc. So the articles on the sites don't fit the criteria? The tips and code aren't enough? This list and the others aren't discussion groups? I'm really not sure how HoF and FA fail to meet your criteria of a portal. __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: What is a portal? Re: (Admin) Behavior
I dont think you can have a clear defnition for PORTAL. I think An application defined for the CLEAR use of a community or related communities/groups can be defined as a community. So Yahoo/msn can be defined as a B2C consumer portal whereas microsoft.com is NOT a portal but a corporate site. Joe -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 5:27 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: What is a portal? Re: (Admin) Behavior Take a look at the portals I referenced in my first email. I have included their URLs for convenience. http://www.devx.com/ http://builder.com.com/ http://msdn.microsoft.com/ http://www.macromedia.com/desdev/ http://www.evolt.org/ As you can see form the above URLs, there are a significant amount of developer resources available. In fact there are even more portals than just the ones I referenced, but I just picked the ones I am most familiar with. I really don't see how you compare FA and HoF to the above. Really take a look at Evolt.org though. I think they offer the closest thing to what a ColdFusion portal should look like. They allow anyone to submit content that is approved, rated, and commented on by the community. They have a vast tip database that is fed from their mailing lists. The code behind Evolt is maintained by the community. The two main things missing from Evolt is quality control over the articles and a code sharing library. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ V: 415-577-8070 F: 415-341-8906 P: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 1:55 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: What is a portal? Re: (Admin) Behavior I guess our definitions differ. I don't really see those as developer portals. I personally think developer portals look more like what you would find at DevX, CNet, Microsoft, and Macromedia. These portals offer developers articles, tips, code, discussion groups, etc. So the articles on the sites don't fit the criteria? The tips and code aren't enough? This list and the others aren't discussion groups? I'm really not sure how HoF and FA fail to meet your criteria of a portal. __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: What is a portal? Re: (Admin) Behavior
The only thing I can think of right off the top of my head that would be good for HOF would be the possibility of lists that have to do with J2EE and XML and it's integration into CFMX. Also maybe a CFMX/Flash area for those wishing to get into it. Otherwise, I think HOF is fine as is. Douglas Brown Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Michael Dinowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 2:42 PM Subject: Re: What is a portal? Re: (Admin) Behavior Hm, so having a list of articles by people on FA doesn't apply here? Maybe its that people have to submit the articles to an editor first. Fancy that. I don't see anything in these sites that we're not doing here. The two things that I see here that make them a portal and us not is that they're larger and run by a company rather than 'people'. The fact that we have a CF Guru (if I may say so myself) as well as a professional editor on staff should be points in our favor. Either way, we're a portal to the CF world. We've always been one and always will be one. If some don't think of us as a portal, then it's all good for them. I'm not legislating how people think. As you can see form the above URLs, there are a significant amount of developer resources available. In fact there are even more portals than just the ones I referenced, but I just picked the ones I am most familiar with. I really don't see how you compare FA and HoF to the above. Really take a look at Evolt.org though. I think they offer the closest thing to what a ColdFusion portal should look like. They allow anyone to submit content that is approved, rated, and commented on by the community. They have a vast tip database that is fed from their mailing lists. The code behind Evolt is maintained by the community. The two main things missing from Evolt is quality control over the articles and a code sharing library. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ V: 415-577-8070 F: 415-341-8906 P: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 1:55 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: What is a portal? Re: (Admin) Behavior I guess our definitions differ. I don't really see those as developer portals. I personally think developer portals look more like what you would find at DevX, CNet, Microsoft, and Macromedia. These portals offer developers articles, tips, code, discussion groups, etc. So the articles on the sites don't fit the criteria? The tips and code aren't enough? This list and the others aren't discussion groups? I'm really not sure how HoF and FA fail to meet your criteria of a portal. __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
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Could there be a remote possibility that Judith meant Macromedia would be interested in CONSIDERING Michael for the job if they said they were willing to move? Usually, if a company says a position must be filled at a specific location, it disqualifies people who are not willing to move to said location. So their unwillingness to move would mean that even though he would be considered for the position, it didn't matter because they wanted someone there, not in NY. There is that possibility. However, I received numerous emails off-list suggesting that others interpreted it the same way as me. It was based on those emails that I responded. I do regret that you weren't privy to those mails as well, but those people obviously didn't feel like sharing with the list. -Matt __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: What is a portal? Re: (Admin) Behavior
grins Do I detect a bias here Matt?? Don't you write articles for Evolt.org? Good ones, I'm sure, but still... :D Shawn Grover -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 3:27 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: What is a portal? Re: (Admin) Behavior Take a look at the portals I referenced in my first email. I have included their URLs for convenience. http://www.devx.com/ http://builder.com.com/ http://msdn.microsoft.com/ http://www.macromedia.com/desdev/ http://www.evolt.org/ As you can see form the above URLs, there are a significant amount of developer resources available. In fact there are even more portals than just the ones I referenced, but I just picked the ones I am most familiar with. I really don't see how you compare FA and HoF to the above. Really take a look at Evolt.org though. I think they offer the closest thing to what a ColdFusion portal should look like. They allow anyone to submit content that is approved, rated, and commented on by the community. They have a vast tip database that is fed from their mailing lists. The code behind Evolt is maintained by the community. The two main things missing from Evolt is quality control over the articles and a code sharing library. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ V: 415-577-8070 F: 415-341-8906 P: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 1:55 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: What is a portal? Re: (Admin) Behavior I guess our definitions differ. I don't really see those as developer portals. I personally think developer portals look more like what you would find at DevX, CNet, Microsoft, and Macromedia. These portals offer developers articles, tips, code, discussion groups, etc. So the articles on the sites don't fit the criteria? The tips and code aren't enough? This list and the others aren't discussion groups? I'm really not sure how HoF and FA fail to meet your criteria of a portal. __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: What is a portal? Re: (Admin) Behavior
Somebody is dense here, you or me. First of all, not all of the Portals I shared were run by companies. Evolt.org is a portal for the web development community run by the web development community. But anyway, how do these portals compare to FA? Here is my list of what FA is missing. Content rating done by the community Content approval and review process done by the community Content categorization (article, tip, review, code, etc) The ability to browse the content according to the categorization hierarchy The ability to search the content by keyword and/or category The ability to syndicate the content Personalization Integrated discussion forums (SMTP, NNTP, HTTP) The entire web application should be open source and maintained by the community Users should be able to submit content directly through the web application Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ V: 415-577-8070 F: 415-341-8906 P: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 2:43 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: What is a portal? Re: (Admin) Behavior Hm, so having a list of articles by people on FA doesn't apply here? Maybe its that people have to submit the articles to an editor first. Fancy that. I don't see anything in these sites that we're not doing here. The two things that I see here that make them a portal and us not is that they're larger and run by a company rather than 'people'. The fact that we have a CF Guru (if I may say so myself) as well as a professional editor on staff should be points in our favor. Either way, we're a portal to the CF world. We've always been one and always will be one. If some don't think of us as a portal, then it's all good for them. I'm not legislating how people think. As you can see form the above URLs, there are a significant amount of developer resources available. In fact there are even more portals than just the ones I referenced, but I just picked the ones I am most familiar with. I really don't see how you compare FA and HoF to the above. Really take a look at Evolt.org though. I think they offer the closest thing to what a ColdFusion portal should look like. They allow anyone to submit content that is approved, rated, and commented on by the community. They have a vast tip database that is fed from their mailing lists. The code behind Evolt is maintained by the community. The two main things missing from Evolt is quality control over the articles and a code sharing library. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ V: 415-577-8070 F: 415-341-8906 P: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 1:55 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: What is a portal? Re: (Admin) Behavior I guess our definitions differ. I don't really see those as developer portals. I personally think developer portals look more like what you would find at DevX, CNet, Microsoft, and Macromedia. These portals offer developers articles, tips, code, discussion groups, etc. So the articles on the sites don't fit the criteria? The tips and code aren't enough? This list and the others aren't discussion groups? I'm really not sure how HoF and FA fail to meet your criteria of a portal. __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: What is a portal? Re: (Admin) Behavior
I really don't think any kind of web site can be considered a community. A portal is simply an aggregation of a specific type of content. Expected features of a portal include personalization and the ability to search and browse the content in an easy and organized way. As you would expect, there is no point in visiting the portal if the information is easier to find with Google. The fact that you know people are spending time organizing the content on your behalf is the value proposition of a portal. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ V: 415-577-8070 F: 415-341-8906 P: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Joe Eugene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 3:01 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: What is a portal? Re: (Admin) Behavior I dont think you can have a clear defnition for PORTAL. I think An application defined for the CLEAR use of a community or related communities/groups can be defined as a community. So Yahoo/msn can be defined as a B2C consumer portal whereas microsoft.com is NOT a portal but a corporate site. Joe -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 5:27 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: What is a portal? Re: (Admin) Behavior Take a look at the portals I referenced in my first email. I have included their URLs for convenience. http://www.devx.com/ http://builder.com.com/ http://msdn.microsoft.com/ http://www.macromedia.com/desdev/ http://www.evolt.org/ As you can see form the above URLs, there are a significant amount of developer resources available. In fact there are even more portals than just the ones I referenced, but I just picked the ones I am most familiar with. I really don't see how you compare FA and HoF to the above. Really take a look at Evolt.org though. I think they offer the closest thing to what a ColdFusion portal should look like. They allow anyone to submit content that is approved, rated, and commented on by the community. They have a vast tip database that is fed from their mailing lists. The code behind Evolt is maintained by the community. The two main things missing from Evolt is quality control over the articles and a code sharing library. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ V: 415-577-8070 F: 415-341-8906 P: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 1:55 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: What is a portal? Re: (Admin) Behavior I guess our definitions differ. I don't really see those as developer portals. I personally think developer portals look more like what you would find at DevX, CNet, Microsoft, and Macromedia. These portals offer developers articles, tips, code, discussion groups, etc. So the articles on the sites don't fit the criteria? The tips and code aren't enough? This list and the others aren't discussion groups? I'm really not sure how HoF and FA fail to meet your criteria of a portal. __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: (Admin) Behavior
Pompous asshole. - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 4:32 PM Subject: RE: (Admin) Behavior Which he's already done when he applied for the community manager position. They were interested only if we moved to San Francisco -- which we're not willing to do. So it didn't work out. I thought it was pretty clear in the job description that the position was in San Francisco. However, your statement implies that he would have had the position if only he had been willing to move. Maybe that is true, maybe that is wishful thinking; I don't know. I do know that many other people applied for that position and Vern is who they picked. Your statement could very well offend those people as well as Vern. Um, what do you think House of Fusion and Fusion Authority are? I guess our definitions differ. I don't really see those as developer portals. I personally think developer portals look more like what you would find at DevX, CNet, Microsoft, and Macromedia. These portals offer developers articles, tips, code, discussion groups, etc. While I do think the above commercial portals I mentioned are great that wasn't really what I was thinking. I was actually thinking of something more community oriented like Evolt.org. Although, Evolt is certainly lacking in the area of code sharing. -Matt __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: What is a portal? Re: (Admin) Behavior
And they pay the large sum of $0 for my articles. Seriously though, I actually write my articles for commercial entities and then if I can, I share them for free with sites like Evolt.org. In the most recent case, I wrote the JAI article for Macromedia, but they won't be publishing it until October. I knew people were asking about image manipulation on the list, so I quickly got it published at Evolt to share. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ V: 415-577-8070 F: 415-341-8906 P: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Shawn Grover [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 3:43 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: What is a portal? Re: (Admin) Behavior grins Do I detect a bias here Matt?? Don't you write articles for Evolt.org? Good ones, I'm sure, but still... :D Shawn Grover -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 3:27 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: What is a portal? Re: (Admin) Behavior Take a look at the portals I referenced in my first email. I have included their URLs for convenience. http://www.devx.com/ http://builder.com.com/ http://msdn.microsoft.com/ http://www.macromedia.com/desdev/ http://www.evolt.org/ As you can see form the above URLs, there are a significant amount of developer resources available. In fact there are even more portals than just the ones I referenced, but I just picked the ones I am most familiar with. I really don't see how you compare FA and HoF to the above. Really take a look at Evolt.org though. I think they offer the closest thing to what a ColdFusion portal should look like. They allow anyone to submit content that is approved, rated, and commented on by the community. They have a vast tip database that is fed from their mailing lists. The code behind Evolt is maintained by the community. The two main things missing from Evolt is quality control over the articles and a code sharing library. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ V: 415-577-8070 F: 415-341-8906 P: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 1:55 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: What is a portal? Re: (Admin) Behavior I guess our definitions differ. I don't really see those as developer portals. I personally think developer portals look more like what you would find at DevX, CNet, Microsoft, and Macromedia. These portals offer developers articles, tips, code, discussion groups, etc. So the articles on the sites don't fit the criteria? The tips and code aren't enough? This list and the others aren't discussion groups? I'm really not sure how HoF and FA fail to meet your criteria of a portal. __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
